Fore Play - “Troll Cat” Week w/Big Cat

Episode Date: March 13, 2018

The guys break down Tiger's impressive T2 finish at the Valspar Championship, including the “blood red” shirt Tiger wore Sunday, why the blue protracer is the best protracer, and contemplate if Tiger is actually swinging TOO fast. Then we confront Pardon My Take's Big Cat about his love for trolling Tiger Woods fans. Big Cat details his thoughts and feelings on Tiger, Tiger's fans, and what being “back” really means. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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I have not heard it. That's why we said that. I was like, ooh. We're going to play it back. You're going to love it. You're going to hear it. We got Sunshine is back. All right.

Sunshine is back. Without the hair, which is unfortunate. Yeah, it's gone now. I bet you've been getting chirped about that a lot since you got back. Actually, Frankie brought me into Dave's office like a couple days ago to talk. And the first thing he said,

not even hello, nothing, just got a haircut. I don't like it. That was all he said? Just straight up, yep. Are you going to grow up back out? Are you going to, what are you going to do? Ooh, that was like cousin Murray.

Yeah, well, that's sort of up in the air right now because I just sort of didn't really like the long hair after a while. Like, it just got old. It was in my face. It's hot in the summer, back of my neck. So I just was like, you know, let's cut it off. All right, yeah, grow up back. All right, cool. It kind of makes your, it kind of makes the nickname better now because you don't even have the sunshine hair.

It's like, oh, back this old me. At the end of the movie, if we remember, he does cut it. So it's still true to the name. Interesting. And it's a, yeah, like, Rick's saying it's a story. Like, people will ask you why you called Sunshine when your hair's like that. And you'd be like, I have a story. I used to have long hair.

Yeah, there we go. So it's a conversation piece. My hair used to look cool. Well, thanks, Frank. Jesus, Frank. That's what he would say, right? That's what I would say if someone asks me about Sunshine, yeah. He didn't just have cool hair.

I'd like the coolest hair. Yeah, I appreciate it. He still have nice hair. It's not. It's okay. About the same. Well, all right. Welcome back.

Anyway, Sunshine is back with the four-play boys. is our guy again. Feels good, feels great. You're going to see a lot more video out of us. You're going to see all kinds of good stuff. One thing I want to mention

that people might not be aware of out there is that you can catch our podcast on Spotify. Here's what you do. You open the app on your mobile device or desktop, click on the browse channel, then click on the podcast section,

and boom, you will see Foreplay right in there, just look us up. You might not have known that. Of course, Spotify is fantastic. Dude, I love Spotify. I don't know if I've mentioned, but I've recently started working out,

and whenever I'm at the gym, I click on my Spotify app, and I play one of their mood playlist, and it just plays me all the way through my workout. It gets over in seconds, and it's just, it's really, Spotify is really maybe my favorite app on my phone. I've been using Spotify for a very long time now. I agree. It's probably the most used app on my phone,

listen to music all the time. I also listen to podcasts all the time, and it's just a little announcement. You might not know it, but you should now that you can stream our podcast, the 4Play Golf Podcast, on Spotify. you go open the app on your mobile device or desktop click on the browse channel then click on the podcast section and boom you're there um we have a big week this week we got barstool big cat

on here uh this has been a long time coming with him with that clown now i like that now so we already recorded it now we can kind of just talk about it when i this has been going on so long that i think back right when i got hired i could probably dig up text from big cat and i him like being an asshole about tiger about it's been going on forever so it's good to finally have him on and talk about it. He was trolling yesterday. Frankie nailed it in our chat with Big Cat where he said the most infuriating thing about Big Cat's tiger Twitter trolling is that a good portion of the replies are people that are like, hell yeah, let's go. That think that Big Cat is serious. It's the most, it's the most amazing thing that he's been able to do to get these people who follow him on Twitter and just

follow Barstall sports in general to follow this like stick of him sarcastically. liking Tiger Woods and liking even anything. Like, that's just what Big Cat does. He, like, sarcastically likes things, right? And gets people fired up and gets people. He trolls. He tries to get under your skin, and it works. But it's not, it's very infuriated.

It's not what he does. It gets under your skin. It's the, it's whatever he... It's not the masses have bothered. It builds with it. He builds this, like, now he has people, like... Comes with an army. It comes with an army.

It builds an army around these tiger lovers now. There's sarcastic tiger lovers out there now that are just totally massing what everything should be about Tiger Woods. We should be loving him for what he did, not because Big Cat sarcastically loving him. But let's go into what fucking Tiger Woods did. So anyways, we have Big Cat on the show. We're going to do our own version of talking about Tiger Woods and everything that's going on in the golf world.

The correct way. Big Cat's coming up later in the show. It's actually a great chat. It's a good mix of him trolling at the beginning. We get it a little bit more serious of a discussion towards the middle, and then we kick him out of the studio at the end. Literally kick him out. We had to kick him out. He got us so angry.

So Big Cat from Part of My Take, I know they need a big plug for the boys. We used to do the draft time. We'd be like, give them the draft time bump. Same deal. We're giving them the four play bump. If you're welcome, guys. Check out Big Cat on, pardon my take, if you haven't already. Big thanks to him for jumping on the show later.

And then big shout out to us for kicking him off of the show. Tiger Woods, T2 at the Valispar Championship. I mean, I really don't. I don't even know how to begin. This was that he's bad. I mean, he's, I don't, without sounding sarcastically about. even myself. This is a safe space, all right.

You can say whatever you want. It's you're right. Big Cat's no longer here to bully us around the room. You're right. Tiger's back. He's back. I mean, Frankie, again, in her chat with Big Cat, which is coming up, another teaser, he makes such a great point of that had Tiger not even missed the last eight years or whatever

you want to call it, not been injured, not gone through the scandal and all of that. Yesterday could have turned out, like, very reasonably could have turned out exactly as it did. He played great. His swing speeds phenomenally finished second the tournament. A couple more of those. or chips on Sunday drop. He wins a tournament by three or four. Very easily could have done that.

You don't win every tournament. I mean, even at his peak, he was winning at like a 30% clip, which was just unbelievable. So he's going to finish second a lot. He's going to be right in the mix a lot. And now he's finished 12th and T2 in his last two starts. He's played three of the last four weeks.

It's going to be four out of five after Bay Hill this weekend, where he's won eight times. He had in 2009, he had come off the broken leg and ACL surgery and won there for the first. first time since the surgeries and all of that. I mean, I don't want to get ahead of myself, but things are, I mean, if you don't think Tiger's the favorite at Bay Hill this week, you're dumb person. I think he is.

He's a 13 to 2 odds favorite. Well, it's sunshine coming in with a math and the stats. I never know that either, 13 to 2. Like, why? Doesn't know what it makes it. Oh, I'm not a gambler. I don't know what's going on. I have no idea what it means.

It's the fuck out of it. It's like six and a half to one, basically. Just say that then. But they just don't do halves. I know. It's just bullshit. Yeah. The underrated part of all this seemingly to

me is that the fact that yesterday even happened proves almost everything that we've been talking about. Like yesterday shouldn't have happened after all the back surgeries, pre-fusion, the scandals, the problems he's had all the way along the line. And then for him to just come back, go 12 and then tie for second, that in itself is a minor miracle to me. Dude, I typed in Tiger Woods's name into the Barstow sports search bar earlier. So I was going back to see if somebody had blog something or not.

And I scrolled down a little bit and I started to get into things that we had posted in middle of last year. and it is amazing how depressing it was. Like, we thought he was, like, never going to play golf ever again. Tiger Woods was taking those swings and falling to the ground. Do you remember those days? NBC ran that package when their coverage started. I was like, I need a warning before you start running the ones where he swings, falls to his knees.

Oh, my God. And the chipping hips can't even get up. Trent that package, though. That package gave me the chills to the point where I was almost hysterically crying. That package ended up being, like, how great he was playing that week. It was like, this is what he's come from. And part of his interviews and his press conferences, and it was a mixture of just all the lows and the highs

and the fact that we're here. I went the other way with it. I was so depressed by the opening of all the clips of him falling in agony and the chipping yips and everything that else has happened that I couldn't even be happy when the good stuff started to come back around. Trent, it was so emotional to go from that down, how down you were at the bottom, bottom of the valley,

and then you'd get up to the high peak at the end. They took me too low and they sprung it on me. You just couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get out of the rut. Those lows were so low. that that's what people aren't understanding. Everyone's saying, oh,

you can't say Tiger's back, Tiger's back, and everyone, we're, I guess, diluting the word that Tiger is back, right? We're ruining the word

that Tiger's back. That's what Big Cats and Dave's of the world are saying the people that are, the tiger haters, right? But what people aren't understanding is that this guy,

like I said, to Big Cat, you'll hear it later, is, you wouldn't have even have batted an eyelash if he didn't get hurt or anything happened to him. The way he's playing right now,

he is playing at a premier level of golf for a 42-year-old who was on his way to winning, hopefully, many more tournaments, which is what he was doing when he was 33. He was just doing him more because he was younger and he was better and he was playing more. Dude, watching him hit two irons off the T into Fairways for whatever reason is just the coolest thing. The sound that it makes, how quickly he picks up the tea, the effect, for whatever reason, it's just like the way the ball, the way the club, when he uses an iron, carves through the ball a little differently. then when he uses a wood off the T is just, it's amazing that he does that. He just, like, crafts his way around the course.

I saw some people were kind of bitching that he didn't hit Driver on 18 when he needed a birdie. But then, again, those are the same exact people that when he pulls Driver in a lot of tournaments and he can't hit a fair world. They're like, get out of the bag. They're like, oh, he hits all the other clubs so far. Why does he even need to hit Driver? So it's like people bitch about everything. He had a very clear game plan at Ennisbrook, which the Copperhead course is an incredibly tough course.

somebody wins it on the regular tour event at 10 under par that means it's a tough ass track tough tough ass track um he knew that he had a game plan he was hitting fairways left and right he was moving the ball so i laid in my room last night got in got back from florida get in it like oh oh i just reminded myself with this story boys i had a disaster last night almost a crisis averted near absolute train wreck disaster one of the worst things i could happen to you basically i get So we leave from Florida like an 8.30 p.m. flight. Get on the plane. I'd take it a bunch of drone footage.

I was at Stream Song. We're going to do a stream song review on another later podcast. We'll get to all those details another time. Anyways, got a bunch of drone footage on my laptop. So I'm like, I'm going to get on the plane. I'm going to pull my laptop out. I'm going to look at all the drone footage. I put my laptop in my seat back pocket in front of me, fall asleep during the whole flight.

Wake up, come to, get off the plane. Without the laptop. Without the laptop. Oh. Go all the way. baggage, get in an Uber. I'm going out and I'm with two of my buddies and I go to reach into my bag.

It would be like, you guys got to see this drone footage. Laptop's not in my backpack. Immediately remember where it is. Get out of the Uber as it's driving. Run in. Go to Delta. Shout out to Delta. Go to the baggage lady.

I'm like, I left my laptop on the plane. And she calls up to the people. She's like, I don't know if the plane's still going to be there. I was like, where the fuck would the plane be? Like, it's midnight. Where's it going? She's like, I'm going to. check and see if it's there, calls up to some guy at the gate area who works for Delta.

He's like, what seat is it, runs in there, grabs it, comes back, walks it all the way to me. Wow. Holy shit. My work laptop. Wow. And with all of the horror stories at airports with like how bad, like getting through security is and losing shit, I mean, the fact that that will happen to you is a one in a million.

Dude, if it wouldn't have been, if any other time I landed, that plane would have already been gone to a new. destination or the airport would have been closed down or they you know for all i knew like fAA regulations are like no one can reenter the plane for 10 hours you know who fucking knows right the fact it was so easy they did you guy just walk my laptop was like this your laptop like 10 minutes i was like yeah right that was it it was unreal that went from being a week just bullshit like dealing with calling them up sending information proving it's you and that's your laptop to just like 10 minutes a guy just runs and grabs it gives it to you it's like didn't even

change my life at all really Like it barely changed my night. You almost died hopping out of a moving Uber, but other than that, you're good. It barely changed my night. What was the feeling when you reached into the bag and so there was nothing in there? Your heart just. Did you, you might have blacked out. You were so sad.

It was emptiness. It was pure emptiness. Like, oh, my, I just thought I was going to be, I was thought I was going to be at the airport for the next eight hours. Yeah. Trying to figure out how to get my work laptop. And I just like, we've been kind of drinking all day. We've been playing golf. Then you travel and you land.

Get your bags. get in the Uber, you're like, I'm going to be home sleeping in a half hour. It's like 12. Panic run back into the airport. Anytime you're running back into an airport. Not good. Terrible. Not good at all.

So then when it only took 10 minutes, again, then I got to reenter that like euphoria of like, all right, I actually am going to sleep in like a half hour. It's going to be great. So, man, it was so close. But anyways, what were we talking about? You got back, and I guess you were going to talk about how you rewatch the shots? So I had slept for two hours on the plane, so then when I actually got back, I was laying in bed. I couldn't fall asleep right away.

So I pulled out my laptop, but I rewatched every single shot that Tiger hit. And I didn't realize in real time how much he was shaping the ball both ways. I mean, his iron shots into like left pins on part three. He's drawing it in there, right pins, he's hitting these big cuts in there. How about that cut around that little palm tree? Whatever the fucking tree that was. That was sneaky, like one of the greatest shots of the week. And he just did it like, it was like, oh, it was my turn to hit now?

he just fucking. If Tiger wins that tournament, that goes down as one of the best shots he hits in his, in his, like, just career of winning tournament. Dude, the other one is on 14, that par five, it's like 615 or whatever, where he bombs a drive down there in the whole, like, double dog legs. So they show, and this is one where he ended up three jacking, but they show him, he's like, okay, Tiger's like 275 out, I think he's going to go. He's got a two iron, and they show where he's just aiming right in the pile of trees.

Amazing. And I was like, what is he doing? and he hits like this massive two-iron, like, I guess he hit like a little bit of a cut up through a gap and landed on the front of the green. I was like, what the hell is he doing? Holy shit. It was amazing.

And then there was a three wood that he hit, too. If you go back and look at all those shots like I did, there's this three wood like stinger, he hit off one of the T's. That with like the blue protracer, it looked like the thing went five feet in here. When he hits a blue pro tracer, I don't know why. Like the pro tracer was made for Tiger Woods. For sure.

It comes right off his club perfectly. Like other guys that's somewhat glitchy. They never get it on. They get his ball, because he hits it so perfectly in the frame of the camera, they get his ball so perfectly that it's like,

I know exactly where that ball is at every five seconds that he hits it. The blue one, too, it makes a shot look more crisp. You know, it's like a cooler, like, yeah. I don't know what it is. It feels cold.

That's what I mean. It's like a chilly, like, ooh. When he hits it, yeah, he hits a, yeah, he hits a hole right through your body. I can see the blue coming. Like, if it was red,

you beg all fuck, that's like slice or a hook. You're yellow or something. It's just right down the middle. When they hit you with like an orange one, it's like whatever. Blue is legit. It's like on a frozen rope. Leave the orange ones for the birds like Patrick Reed.

Yeah. Oh, wow. So, Trent, you had a big tweet last night with Patrick Reed. I don't think anybody in America really knows how they feel about Patrick Reed. I don't think so. And I actually think yesterday I decided that I like him. And he did wear the same outfit at the Tiger War. I know that kind of sent the Twitter sphere into a funk.

I don't mind it. I like that Patrick Reed is kind of an asshole, kind of a dick. And then he owns it. If you didn't think Patrick Reed was going to wear the red and the black on the day that even Tiger could potentially win the tournament, you're crazy. He lives for shit like that. So I actually made me like Patrick Reed more than I thought it was going to. Doesn't he always do that? He always does it out of respect for Tiger.

He says that he's been quoted saying that he does it out of respect to Tiger. And this is the thing when you have Tiger in a tournament, you're going to get all these casual fans watching, which we like, we want as many casual fans watching the broadcast as possible. But you are going to get people who are like, how the fuck is Patrick Reed wearing red and black today? Shout out to Rocco Mediate into 2008 playoff against Tiger. It was the fifth day, obviously, because they do a full 18 more holes, and he came out in exact Tiger outfit, black pants, red shirt. How that turned out for it? And he had to wear a sweater because he was like, actually it wasn't even that hot,

but it was the only other outfit I had because he's like, I didn't pack for that many days because it was an extra day. Yep. He's like, it was the only extra outfit I had. I walked on the team. It was like, oh, shit, I forgot about the tiger. Well, and it came back and bit Patrick Green and asked, too, on that last put on 18. He just like a bag of muffins and he shouldn't be wearing that.

Like, if you want to, if you want to honor, Tiger Woods, wear yellow. Like, just let the guy be, especially if you're going to be in a group behind him. It's like, you know you're going to be right there. There is an argument to be made for Patrick Reed can wear that every tournament he wants unless Tiger is like in the midst. I don't want to be like the harder with the outfits. Like, I understand. It just looks so weird. It's like I watch that and like, part of Sundays is like wearing.

the red and black tiger whenever you see tiger he's wearing the red and black i don't want to see patrick reed well and if you're patrick reed my tweet is why he shouldn't want to wear it either like because he looks so much worse in comparison like every when tiger's not playing you're like oh patrick reed that's nice red and black it's kind of nice to see that out there on a sunday even when tiger's not playing patrick reed looks like a bag of muffins oh and when he's that who's that dumpy tiger out there is that and then on 18 when the ball's just coming back to it's like this guy looks like a joke But there was also a moment on 18 that I liked Patrick Reed where he's like when he hits it and he knows he didn't hit enough and he's like come on back. Yeah, I like that too.

Like this is the thing. I've officially made my stance on Patrick Reed. I had never done before. I like Patrick Reed. I'm 50-50. I like Patrick Reed a lot. I do. I, but I, you know, I've heard them in the Rider Cup.

Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, we're getting to that point. We're getting, we're getting closer and closer to the furthest point from the most recent Rider Cup. Yep. And it becomes like harder for people. It's like a cycle. It becomes harder for people to remember how much they love. love him because i mean it wasn't even he was good in the rider cup last time he was the most heroic rider cup figure like ever and he was doing the finger wag and the finger wag he was

holing out with spieth and then he beat rory heads up and and rory was making bombs and he just dusted him made that put on 18 i mean it was how do you know you got to like that guy forever so i always try to remind myself of that um we also had i mean tiger his red shirt yesterday i don't know what color red that was it was like the special darker meaner red it was like the most intimidating red I'd ever seen. Sometimes he goes to like a little hot red, you know? Yeah. Or even sometimes he dabbles in like a little white shoes or a white belt with his red.

When he came out with the dark, like really intimidating red, it was like blood red. Yes. Like hardcore, like dark blood red. And he had like stripes of black going to, did he have, did he have stripes on it? I don't. Yeah, he did. I think he did have the one down the back or was that different? Yeah, we've got the fusion one on all of his shirts now.

Those are so legit. It's like, it just reminds you, it's like, listen, I'm like, I'm a robot back here. Yeah, he's got the thin black ones going. Yes, so good. And then the rest was just pure murdered out black. And I was like, and he didn't, that non-collar, what do they call those on those shirts? Whatever those types of shirts are banded collars. Is that what they call?

Yep, banded collars. Nobody really knows it here. We're not big fashion. He's not. But it's what you're saying. Him wearing that outfit is him knowing. Like, every once in a while, I'm mixing something else, maybe a little lighter red. But when he wears that specific outfit, he's trying to rip up.

out some throats. He's got to bring that, um, that like blood, that like, that, like, that type of blood is like when someone's dying and they're bleeding and their blood's not like the brighter red, but it's like the dark, like, oh, shit red. Oh, yeah. That's what that color was? And then he's got to start wearing that every Sunday. He can't come in one time.

What was it that the hero where it was like kind of pinkish? Yeah, he didn't. No, no, but I actually, I like that because he knows this isn't matter. This isn't a huge thing to me. No, in a tournament, like the, like the Valspar, one that's really a full field and everything. then he breaks out the real red. He has so many variations of dark red. Like don't, he should never go off the dark red.

That fucking red. I almost don't. Sometimes I don't like the stripes. I'm like, just give me dark, just solid. I gasped when I saw it. So Tiger Tracker put out the picture, like of him when he arrived on the range. I gasped when I saw it. I was like, oh my God.

The day before that he was wearing the, uh, on Thursday on Saturday. The highlighter pink. With a pink. Against the gray on gray. Oh, looks so good. He's holing out. Chipshots and stuff. This guy had a chance to run away with this tournament by like 15 strokes this week.

By the way he was swinging the club, by the way he was putting, by the way he was chipping, by the way he looked, everything was perfectly lined up for this guy to run away with it. Just Sunday was a tough, Sunday he just couldn't come up with the big putts. He couldn't get close. He looked like, I don't know. I think we're getting to the point now too where he hasn't played enough. So it's like he went 70, 696, 98, I believe, right? Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

And you're like, what is he going to put up a 67th? Like, is this guy going to, is this guy already back, like, to playing four incredible rounds where he's just dusting people? It's like, that's so unrealistic to think that. He also, I mean, this stat of him on the 14th hole on Saturday, he had recorded the highest recorded swing speed on tour for the entire year so far, 129.2 miles out. When he hits some of those drives, the noise goes out, and then, like, he swings, but you never see the ball, you never see where he makes contact.

how fast it's going on TV. Like all of a sudden he, like, cocks his swing back into his back swing. And all of a sudden, the ball's already in the air. He almost, to be honest, he swings too fast. I'm like, tired. It's unbelievable. It's like unnecessary. I go, ooh, every time.

We put up a video on poor play. It was probably like last week of just his swing. I've, and it's just on repeat, right? So it's just like a five second video. I've watched that a thousand times. It's just honestly, how quick he gets from the apex of his back swing to when the ball is in the air is so laughably fast. Like, honestly, the, the ball goes in the air before his swing is done.

Like, I don't even know how to explain it. It's so laugh. Like, he's just, like, he's back swinging, and the ball's hurting in the air. Yeah, it's, I go like, ooh, every time I'm like, oh, shit, he hit that so fast. It almost seems like to be so inconsistent. I don't know. I don't know if there's any truth that, like, he's swinging too hard. I just, but for my own well-being, I'm just, I'm like, dude, like, that was fast.

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in a fairway bunker and he's like I think it creeps in then for sure I think it definitely I think when he had the tree shot and stuff I think he's thinking like God I hope the fusion holds up here

When you feel a pain like he's felt like when he takes those swings And he just drops to the floor right And one of those discs There's no pain And all the jelly Just rushes down

His vertebrae And all the shit Just shits his pants Though now There's no the gel The donut doesn't even exist Now Frank It's a fucking steel rod

You don't get that You don't get that pain Out of your head Like if I like break An ankle or something You always like Remember it when you're playing pickup basketball. Like, you know what I mean?

Like when you hurt yourself doing something. Every athlete that's ever torn their ACL, they'll come back with Horaceor. He's like, I don't play the way that I used to because I'm always scared that my knee is going to shatter. I'm just like, how mentally tough does this guy have to now be for when he's on top of a freaking shot? Like, he's at the T-box on 18. He's got to drill this drive as hard as he has to hit it. And he's just like, man, one of these days, like this tweak could just, I could just feel it back there. Like, you just feel like maybe this is the swing.

I'm so much more mentally weak than Tiger that I would talk myself into that I had hurt. myself again. Every time he picks up a golf ball out of the hole, I go, every time. If you're not doing that, you're just not, you're not, you're not being honest. Sometimes he looks like he's grimacing. He's like, ah, like he's just like his face, like something, I don't know if it's just because he's getting older, it's a little more droopier, but sometimes I think he's grimacing. I just, I cannot watch him without my heart racing. Look, I'm all in on the fusion, but every single swing, we're one swing away, every swing from his career's over. It's crazy. Every swing. And how does that not make people nervous?

I mean, every single swing he takes, if he just crippled over and started holding his back, I wouldn't be surprised. I would just turn my TV off and never turn it on again. But I wouldn't be surprised to be like, I've been waiting for that. Like, you know, it just wouldn't surprise you because you think in your brain like every time he hits a shot. And that's what I think is going to end up. I think he's going to be healthy. Honestly, I do think that the fusion is going to hold up. If anything that Dr. Riggs has taught us that it should hold up, right?

I mean. And it keeps checking out every time. It keeps checking out. And I think that's going to add to his legacy. I think it will add to his legacy. I think we'll look back at this dark eight years or nine years, whatever it's been. I think we're going to be like, this guy is a robot now. He's playing with a metal vertebrae, whatever he's playing with.

He has no more jelly. More machine than man. He's more machine than man. And this guy is swinging harder than people. He's hitting the ball longer than people. And he is going to win tournaments. He's hitting fairways now. He's hitting greens.

He is going. Putter still looks great. His short game's incredible. Get him on a golf course. He's comfortable on Augusta. And he's going to win. I saw him talking about Auguste. He's going there.

He said he hasn't played really on bent grass greens and like he's like, I've really played on bent grass in like four or five years because he hasn't really played in the master's. Which I think is like him just talking. Totally. I think it's a bent bass, bent grass green in his goddamn bedroom. I think he's got like four. He's got four greens in his backyard. They were all different, right?

They were saying that's what Noda Bagu was saying. Well, one of them's Bay Hill. And I think he has the rough from Augusta, too. He has a rough from Augusta, too. He has a rough from Bay Hill. He's just practicing on the golf courses that all these people have to play on. He's practicing on them 24-7. in his backyard.

In his backyard. He's like going to have coffee and he's going to skip on Bay Hill. He did say that in his interview. He's like, well, yeah, I'm probably going to go up early. I haven't putted on pink grass in like four or five years. I was like, I bet you put on bank grass every single day. Every morning. Tiger steps on bed grass to go, like, that's like where, like when you walk into his house,

instead of like rubbing his shoes on like a rug, he rubs his shoes on bank grass. He does. So the ratings and all that have come in. I mean, this is so I love seeing this every time because. you know you keep getting all these people that a lot of the golf hardos and golf purists which i get it they love golf and all that they want it to be in great state of the game at all times but even over the last six months or so

we you know we kept saying like yes it's awesome having the DJs and the Rories and spith and JT emerging and all that but tiger golf's just missing tiger it's not the same blah blah couldn't be more right i mean these ratings the ratings for the final round of the 2017 team masters got a 7.6. The U.S. Open got a 3.6. The British Open got a 3.2.

The PGA got a 3.6. The 2018 Valspar championship got a 5.1. That's insane. The Valspar. The VALspar. The PANC company. It's a paint company. The Paint Company championship. They were hitting between paint cans all weekend.

Tigers literally teeing off between paint cans. And it's better, almost 2X some of these tournaments. So the only one that was higher in that list is the Masters? The Masters, which had Sergio and Rose. And you were there, the greatest tournament of all time. I was waving to Sergio. We just said this on Barser Radio.

I was waving to Sergio like I was in 1935. Yes. Family member of a sailor that was off to watch. And you're waving your top hat in here. You're spinning your top hat in a circle above your head. Yes. So the ratings are just through the roof. I think the streaming on Saturday was up 612%.

The thing broke on Thursday. Oh, yeah, when you and I were trying to watch it. PJ Tour Live just broke. I think that was Friday. That was Friday. It was Friday. The PGA Tour Lives website, streaming website, just broke. Can you imagine them, like, a bunch of all business, Pete's just running around, like, what the fuck just happens?

Like, y'all, Tiger Woods just went on to the freaking driving range. Right. That's where it's legit broke. Like Tiger Woods, we just showed Tiger Woods on Drive Range and our system just broke. So what are we going to do? It's so good. So, you know, it's funny, too. He played with the owner.

Did you notice that or the CEO of Valspar paint, like in a pro M recently? Oh, he played on Wednesday, probably the Wednesday, pro. Yeah, so he played with the Valspar guy. The Valspar guy was just glowing. Like, I can't, he's like, they're like, how do you feel about this tournament this week? And he was just like, man, I got to play with Tiger Woods on Wednesday. Tiger's at my tournament. He's like, yeah, I mean, we have 150,000 people coming to this tournament this week.

Yeah, they shattered every single attendance record they have. I mean, that guy, there's no bigger winner than that guy this week. And that tournament's been doing well, like, even before that. Because they had speed that won in 2015 when he won that playoff against Reed. Who knew this goddamn pink company could, like, draw so much? I mean, I know they have pretty cool commercials. They have that little iguana thing that steps on all the colors. Commercials are great.

They've got a great creative design team. It's cool because when you're painting, you get to deal with all kinds of colors. You're like the color experts. So they got very aesthetically pleasing commercials. Yep. Those iguanas and the fucking colors. I always want to paint a room when I see. Yeah.

Me too. I mean, that's a Valspar. Fucking Valspar. Should we buy a bunch of Valspar paint and paint like the podcast studio? Blood red. I saw, I saw Darren Rovell tweeted the, he tweeted the exact, like, you know how all paint colors have like the number and the letter. He had Tiger's shirt like

mapped out exactly what it was. So we should paint the studio that color. Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods should come out. That is an idea for Valsbara. Sunshine, you got to get the Valsbar Tiger Paint. Tiger Woods needs to come out with Tiger Red. Is that I mean, am I crazy? Yeah, you're right. He should come out with his own paint called Tiger Red and I would dip myself in it every single every single set every single day. I'll paint my

computer, my golf bag, my room. I'd paint my, I'd paint everything. I'd paint you guys. You just start throwing paint on people like PETA? Yeah, correct. Okay. Be like your tiger now. Tiger and red, like, I would paint my, my future, hopefully I have a son, my future son's room, Tiger Red.

I thought you'd say you'd paint them. No, no, no. Their rooms. Yeah. I would paint people stuff too because pores, I think it blocks your pores. And you can't like, uh, true, yeah. Hydrate properly or whatever, not hydrate, but ventilate popular. That's true.

I was a, uh, the scarecrow for, uh, Halloween this year. I went to a little dress of party and fucked up my nose. Yeah. Still haven't recovered. Because nothing gets out of there. Yeah, it is. I'm not kidding, dude. My pores on my nose got fucked up from the paint.

Yeah. We'll talk to Val's Bar about that. All right. Do you have anything else in here? Oh, this is a great stat. This is Justin Ray at Golf Channel, who's their stat guru. He tweeted out last night, I believe. Phil Mickelson's wind drought lasted 1,687 days.

Sunday at Bay Hill will be the 1,687th day since Tiger Woods' last victory. He's always got a one-up, Phil. You know he's going to win. Yeah, Phil said that last week on Dan Patrick. He said, like, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out there. If I know Tiger any, like he goes, if I know Tiger, like I wouldn't be surprised if he just won out. How good is Phil too. He did, right?

Before he even said that, he did this whole, like, minute and a half spiel about how, like, Tiger Woods is the reason that I am the person that I am today. Phil knows what he's doing. So much money. And he's the reason that I started working out in the first place. I would have never been able to win it 47 years old if it worked for Tiger Woods. There's articles out there. If you type in Phil, I was trying to look at how many times really Phil and Tiger went to contention. and it was hard for me to, because I was doing prep for the radio show,

they were, there's not many times that it was one and two. No, very rare. I think it was only once in like a major. But to get the stat, I mean, I would love to find out how many times, like Tiger passed him, he passed him, and then Tiger ended up just finishing ahead, whether it was first, and then Phil finished in six or whatever. But Phil, if you look it up, there are articles on how Phil could have won,

like, ten more majors in his career than he has. And it's insane at how many times that he just, like, couldn't figure it out on that last day, or people just went on miraculous runs to pass him. Phil Nicholson could be like the closest thing that we had to Tiger, and he just couldn't do it. Dude, Phil also didn't win a major until he was like 33 or 32 or 34, something like that. Ever.

I'm looking at right now. Phil Nicholson has 11 runner-up finishes in majors. That is absolutely insane. Well, he was, it's funny because it was like when we were really young, with the biggest storyline in golf, and it was that when Phil Michaels were going to win a major. Couldn't win one, yeah. He couldn't win a major.

forever. So it's actually, he should have way more than five. Phil is such a goddamn legend. He's such a legend. But he's so smart when he deals with the Tiger stuff

because what people probably want a little bit of is like him a rivalry back. But Phil's just like, no, I owe everything to Tiger. The whole sport owes everything to Tiger and he wants to see him

and you know it irks him that Tiger's always been better than him. Of course. I mean, they asked him that question on a fucking crazy town. What would your career

be with that Tiger Woods? And he actually said like it would probably be not as great because he wouldn't have as much money. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't be where I am today. My game wouldn't have rose to the level it, is that today?

Because Tiger made everyone better. All right. We get into much more talk about this, a Tiger talk, and we kind of get a little bit of the other side. Oh, before we go. What were the chances of you thought his putt go was going to go in on 18 when it was going? It was a really, really tough pot. Frankie and I were talking about this a little bit earlier. Not great.

Okay. But in the back of my head, I still thought he was probably going to make it. Of course. I mean, that crept in. but I you know I I wasn't surprised it would have been laughably incredible if he made that but that's what we've come to expect from the old tiger things that were laughably impossible that he would

things would just happen like the put on 17 was like okay yeah that makes sense and then him making on 18 would also been like holy shit that's fucking incredible but also par for the course I don't know if it's just a social media aspect of what everything is how everything is just bigger now but for some reason if that last put it would have went in I think the world would just burn down like everyone to not get a birdie on the back nine and everyone just be waiting and like everyone's just on the edge of their

seat and to just go out on 17 18 and birdie birdie and like the place would just fucking win i think paul case you were just withdrawn from the tournament yeah oh yeah i can't i'm good i can't i can't do it by way he was pretty cool after when he won he's like did that um selfie video he's like i beat tiger woods they always wanted to say that so one thing i want to say about paul casey is that when we have huge forearms by the way you've seen those fucking things just like a tennis player he looks like uh what's his name when we eat to spinach pop i pop i popi his arms are ridiculous but go ahead it's funny because we had when we had brando chambly on for the first time he shit on paul casey basically being like you know he's got all the stats but i always laugh when

people pick him during major championships stuff like that because he plays terrible whenever he's near the lead um late you know on weekends and in big tournaments and stuff like that so it's very fitting we could probably put that clip in which maybe who will but it's very fitting that um paul casey gets only a second win on tour and he had to come from like five or six shots back to do it. Because he played Fanalo, got in the clubhouse, like, two hours early. Yeah. And wins.

It could be a big breakthrough for Ball Casey, where it didn't have to deal with the pressure necessarily being, like, one stroke ahead with one hole to play, and he's the last guy on the course. He was in, like, an hour and a half before. He didn't even think he had the numbers. Like, I think I had to get to 11. Well, that's what somebody on. Kind of freeze you up.

On the NBC broadcast, saying, like, he might win this thing because he's so far out in front of the Tiger Mania, the Tiger crowd, that he doesn't even, he feels like he's playing a different tournament. Right. That was huge. Great. I think he's like 65 or something. What a round from him.

He went from 71 on Saturday to a 65. He's been incredibly good for a couple of years. So it was kind of cool to see. There's a lot of, there's an inclination to dislike Paul Casey if you're an American guy because he made some comments about the American golf fans back in the day. But those have actually, in my opinion, been misconstrued. I don't mind Paul Casey. And I think I told this story in this podcast, but his caddy chirped me one time.

Really? When I was in a very funny way. But his catty chirped me, we were at the, at, at, the Deutsche Bank up in Boston. It used to be the Deutsche Bank now. It's like the Dell Technologies, remember. Up in Boston, and I was wearing the Barstool USA jersey and USA sunglasses. Like a bro.

And a USA hat. Looking like such a bro. Like a bro. And a USA hat. And this is really, really early on in my barstool days. This is actually September of 2016. So it was like the week before we moved to the office. Were you sitting on a Yeti cooler?

And I'm standing on the T-box. and what are Saturdays for sorry and they walked by and I said something like you know I yelled at them or whatever and the cat he goes oh where are you from mate and I was like oh I'm from St. Louis and you just looked at me like you idiot because obviously had USA all over

who shirked me about it and after I thought about it I was like you fuck idiot rigs what do you do it from St. Louis was such a dumb answer a dumbest answer what a fucking idiot I am from the United States of America it was such a

dumb fucking traips in the flag right now. So I always liked them more because I thought that was great. The other thing we got to talk about real quick, we got the new rules of golf have been finalized. They've agreed on them. If you remember this came out like six months ago where they're going to kind of like relax on the rules, a lot of small little changes to make the game go quicker

and smoother and easier for the amateurs and all of that. A lot of the things are pretty much, like almost all of the things that they proposed are going through, There were four little changes to a couple of them. One of them is the drop rule. Previously, you had to drop from shoulder height. Then they went to, you can drop it from like two inches off the ground is what they proposed. Now they're actually doing it at knee height.

So when you take a drop, knee height, a little different. Taking relief, it's always going to be one club length for free relief. So if you got like a man-made obstacle or something like that, you get one club length, two club lengths for any type of penalty drop. In my brain, I don't think that that's that much different than what most people do when they play anyways, because most people are like, oh, yeah, it's just a couple club lengths, whether they know the exact rule or not.

Double hit, there will not be a one-stroke penalty for striking the ball more than once, the old TC chin rule. So you've got to remember that when you're playing with your buddies. I like that. Yeah, that's a nice one. Because, I mean, sometimes it happens when you really hit, like, a decent shot out of a bunker or when you have a crazy chip, like with very, very, a lot of high rough, and you just get really under it.

Totally. And this ball comes flying out. It's like, wow, that was a great shot. And I was on your follow-through, you just tip the ball. And I used to hate when someone would call me out on that. Especially in high school golf this one time, I actually got a double hit, and it cost me the match. Oh. Yeah, it did.

And I was like, you motherfucker, dude, the ball didn't even go anywhere. Like, nothing even happened. I like to see that. Another one. This one's really good that I like is that there's no penalty for moving loose impediments or touching the ground or water when you're in a penalty area, excluding a bunker. So if you're in like a little hazard, you know, usually you can't, like, ground your club. You can't, like, touch any, like, anything around there.

You kind of got to hover the club and then hope you hit it. Now you can actually touch the ground and all that. So there will be, so you have to be in a, in a... You can always do this on most places in the course. You can move loose impediments and stuff. Right. But in a hazard, you used to not be, right? So if you're in, like, like, there's a red hazard and there's, like, a pond.

But you're not in the pond. You're just inside the red line. Yeah. And there's, like, little, like, mulch or, like, weeds and, shit like that. You used to not be able to touch the ground and ground your club and move anything. Now you can kind of like move stuff around just like on a normal line. Do you know when like in like lakes or

ponds or little areas of water when the water doesn't go all the way up to the grass and there's that like sand. So I can just put my club down in the sand now and kind of just like that's great. That's what they're telling me, Frank. I mean I know I'm asking you as if you're the rules official but I mean that's a good change to the rule because sometimes that's sometimes when you get lucky

you find your ball in a hazardous spot and you can and you are able to hit it and there's some bullshit in the way because it's in like a lake and there's a huge rock on your ball it's like well I'm already in the shit can I move this rock please because I already have an impossible shot so a great rule which is great the other one is the so a ball that's lost out of bounds a new local rule will be available that allows players to drop where the ball went out of bounds with a two stroke penalty now they also add that the governing bodies point out that this local rule is not meant for the professional tours but rather as a means a speed up rec play, which is great. Now, people have got to be confused. This isn't the same as a hazard because the hazards are one stroke penalty. So this is identical to, you hit one OB, you re-T, and then you hit one to, like, five feet away from where it went out of bounds, and then you're playing from there is basically what it's identical to.

Because you're one in, two-stroke penalty, so you're hitting your fourth from right where it went out of bounds. Correct. Okay. Instead of having to go all the way back to the T and hitting your third. Originally, you hit it out of bounds. That would be one, two for the penalty. three you're hitting from the T and now you're hitting your fourth shot.

Correct. So they're just taking away that whole... That whole process. Keep it moving. That's the idea. So it's good. It's good. This is a great step in the right direction for golf in general.

Just easing up the rules, laxing up the rules. Yeah. I mean... They have to publicly get the stuff out, though. I mean, you know, it can't be that hard to find. Like, I mean, I didn't even know what this happened. They've got to really push it more. Yeah, because the average guy at the country club or the golf course needs to know,

the public golf course needs to know these new rules so that things get quicker. It is amazing that these rounds of golf sometimes takes six or seven hours at public golf courses. It's insane. It is nice to see that they're actually making an improvement to try and speed the game. It's awesome. This is actually like this is some stuff because a lot of other BS that they've tried to do to grow the game and all that are kind of bullshit initiatives. I don't even hears about it. Right.

They come out with these like fake things. It's like in a little boardroom and like a regular golfer in like Kansas has no fucking idea what you're talking about. This is a real one. Speeding it up and making it easier to understand is going to work all the time. Totally. This is like if your ball goes out of play, you just take a penalty and you drop it, basically. That's like how golf should be. Did I hear that they change the format for the U.S. Open this year?

That's not going to be that playoff for the next day. They did. They go. The U.S.G.A. has gone to two-hole aggregate playoff. Yeah. So no more 18-hole playoff, two-hole aggregate, which is such a power move from the U.S.GA. Yeah. Because some tournaments do a three-hole aggregate.

I believe both the PGA and the British Open do that. The Masters does just sudden death. And the U.S.GA was like, well, we're not going to do it. anybody else does. Fuck them. We're going to do a two-hole, which is just, I mean, literally because nobody else,

because they're the only people that do it, they're doing it. Yeah, so that'll be at Shinnock this year the first time. It's going to be awesome. I'm sure it will go to a two-hole playoff.

Of course. It's been the year of the playoffs so far. It'll absolutely go to a two-hole plan. That was because of what, like ratings and stuff and because they couldn't. They really want to finish Sunday, is what they said.

It is crazy to like think that the next day everyone's going to tune in and. They think with like TV, with sponsorships, with ratings, with everything, with the players even get into the next site. Yeah. They just think it's better to do it Sunday.

So I agree with that. I don't mind that at all. Golf getting smarter. How about that? Way to go golf. It's good start. It was a part of the next day because you always knew the U.S. Open was in a playoff. It was like a Monday.

I used to love that. See, that was awesome. But it's like, that's also we were, I was in like college. Right. And it was like, oh, I'm shouldn't get up tomorrow and watch Tiger Woods play golf in the in the playoffs. It's a little different now. Now it's like that would ruin a lot of people. They'd be like, I'm not getting anything done at work or whatever.

So anyways. That's a good move. Just a little teaser that I will have the stream song breakdown. What we're going to do is we got videos and stuff coming up. I was there this past weekend down in Central Florida. I was with two of my buddies and also George Sabarikas from Golf Channel, who's become a good buddy of ours. Trent and I hung out with him at the Waste Management.

We love Golf Channel people. We just do. We're very friendly with golf channel. George is a good dude. Great dude. So what I'm going to do is we're going to sit down. The four of us are going to give ourselves a little bit of time to breathe. We're going to sit down and review that whole trip, talk about it, what we liked,

what we didn't like. If we didn't like anything, we liked a lot. The place was absolutely spectacular. Three golf courses. We played each one of them once. So anyways, we're going to get that going. We're going to have videos out kind of showcasing the course in the time that we had and all that. So that'll be coming up in the very near future. I believe that's all we got for right now. We're going to go to our little chap with Bars little Big Cat, which gets a little intense. It was three on one. It was about time that we had this chat. He tries to say it was four on zero.

He tries to be one of us. I mean, that's how he starts it. Frankie is a very calm person. I've known him for a while now. And I thought he was going to fight Big Cat when he walked in the room. Plus, I'm wearing white today, so I looked like I was getting redder. Like my face. Yeah, the contrast.

Yeah, it's like, you're starting to get pissed off. I'm like, I am starting to get a little pissed off. That's getting me going, yeah. Yeah. No, he's good at that. So here's Barstow Big Cat. This chat with Barstool Big Cat is brought to you by our friends at Dollar Shave Club dot com.

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No, no, no, you can't go over there by yourself. Where you go along. So we've got all three of us on one side. Big Cat's trying to claim that he's a Tiger guy. I am. He's been, so this is infuriating. This is a very infuriating thing. Tiger.

I don't know why you're mad. No. I love Tiger. I didn't even realize that Frankie was a Tiger fan until two seconds ago. Frankie, you're on our team? Frankie's staring holes through Big Cat right now. Frankie's very upset. I don't know why.

Tiger's back. So here's, okay. Let's go back to the beginning, Big Cap, but we're getting very frustrated already. You, it's a tense room right now. I'm actually angry. Yeah, Frankie's actually angry, which is weird because... Like I said, we're all Tiger guys, so why don't we just embrace the fact that he's back? Because you're not a Tiger guy!

He won the tournament this weekend. He won the tournament this weekend. So you, for years now, every time Tiger comes back, you chirp ruthlessly, he's never going to win again. I don't know why you guys get your hopes up, and then you even said today on the rundown. Yeah. You said that you want him to get... close to the end you like watching him play but you want him to lose yeah that's not a tiger guy no no no no i was misquoted there obviously i want him to win so that all of us can be vindicated

for never giving up hope see i just don't that's not you don't believe that so now you're just a troll you're an internet troll i i might be an internet troll in this one sense in golf because of reactions like frankie it's too easy well it's too easy i'm more mad at the people that I'm more mad at the people that you get. Like, you've gone fishing and you got a lot of bait. People are hooked. But people, people are like, yeah, Big Cat, like Tiger is doing well. Wait, Big Cat.

Isn't that the nickname of Tiger? Don't we share a nickname? Oh, that's weird. I'm like, I'm a bigger Tiger guy than you guys. Fuck. Are you any of you guys nicknamed Big Cat? Look, me and Tiger, I guess. That was actually my nickname in T-ball.

After Andres, there we go. Really? Yeah, big time. I can see it. That's actually that. So, Trent, I'll let you onto the Tiger band. I don't want to be. I don't want to be on your side.

I don't want to be on that part of history. This is going so far off the rails, Big Cat, that you not only are not a Tiger guy, you are on the top of the list of people that we're going to ruthlessly mock when Tiger wins again. Correct. What? That's rude.

Whenever Tiger wins, you're the first person I'll think of. When he wins, because he's definitely going to win. Oh, yeah. A Masters, maybe. All the champion. You don't believe that. You don't believe that. You don't believe that.

You don't believe that. You don't believe that. You don't believe in a tiger slam. I think Tiger slam is in play. You don't believe in. Okay. Do you want to actually discuss this, Frank? You want to see me.

I want to know why you're taking away the joy and the feelings that I have on Sunday. I'm not taking away. By being sarcastic. I enjoyed that Sunday so much. I got to go on Twitter. No, you did. No, you did it. No, Biggat did.

He did it, though. He enjoys it for a different reason. You enjoyed the hell out of it. You're enjoying it for the wrong reason. Yeah, you enjoyed us all getting riled up and happy. And then when he finally lost, that made you so excited. Wait, he didn't lose. I mean, he's.

back. I don't judge. Here's the thing you guys don't understand. As a real tiger guy, I don't judge in wins and losses. I judge in back and not back. And right now he's back. So I don't care about it. If he never wins another tournament, who cares?

He's back. Let me ask you this. Where did this start? Where did it actually start? So here's the thing. Who are you? I actually, unlike Dave, Dave, like, despises Tiger. True.

I fully will say, I'm a casual golf fan. I admit that. I watch the major championships. What do you call it? The majors. The majors. The majors. I watch all the majors. I shoot about a 110 through like 11 holes when I golf.

Okay. And then I quit. That's all fine. That's great. Yeah. So I respect the game. I respect the game. Tiger Woods was the outside of Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods was the greatest athlete I've ever watched in person in my life.

I have memories of watching him when he was peak Tiger. And like just knowing that feeling when Tiger was working. was war his Sunday red and would stare down his competition like you're fucked dude you can't there's nothing you can do against tiger woods an unbelievable athlete to watch transcendent the best of all time the goat in golf i'm comfortable saying that all good things so far yes but what happened was when everything went downhill for him and he got those injuries i got so sick of hearing how tiger was back every time he would just walk if he just standing upright tiger guys would be like, he's back.

Look at Tiger. He's back. He swung a club and didn't break his back. He's back. Okay. And eventually I was just like, this is so maddening because Tiger, Tiger Woods is never going to be back. Tiger Woods like 2.0 who might, you know, you know, compete, finish top 10.

Sure, that guy's there. But Tiger Woods, the Tiger Woods, the one, the guy I watched, the guy who fucking changed the game of golf, the athlete that was like awe-inspiring. And that guy's not coming back. So once we all, as Tiger guys, realize that and just embrace. You're not we. Embrace the small steps. Then maybe we could have a better time.

So, okay, let me say this. Now we're having a very real discussion. Yes. I like, he's still mad. Everything's this whole, I'm following along with the narrative where you're going. I will admit that there are times where, like, when Tiger would walk into the courthouse looking good, we'd be like Tiger's back. Tiger's back. That was a little bit sarcastic.

But then we maybe jumped the gun before. However, you have to appreciate that this time is very different. And the fact that now, okay, he's swinging as fast as anybody on tour. Have you ever said, have you ever? He's 42 and he's going to now enter a final era of his career. That could be four, five, six, seven, eight years long of him playing dominant golf again. The fact that yesterday even happened in terms of rating-wise, in terms of you turning on golf, means that he's back. Because you turned on golf to watch Tiger Woods.

Oh, no, he's back. I don't think we dispute that he's back. You just said that he's not back. No, the Tiger Woods that we know will never, ever be back. This Tiger Woods, yeah, he's back. No. There's a difference.

There's no difference. No, there is not. Yeah, there is. He still has the allure to him. He still has you turning on your TV. It's just different. I don't know. It's like, I mean, if you watch Tiger when he was the best athlete of all time,

there was something, it was just a different level. I think it is back yesterday. He'll never get to that level. That level is like, it's unattainable. I disagree with you guys. I think he isn't back, And it's, there is a difference between what it was and what it is now. And that's the point.

And that's fine. Like it's, we don't get a lot of guys don't admit that, though. No, no. Look, look, we're not, but what we're not talking about, don't, hmm. Hmm. By the way, have you ever said that this time is different with Tiger? In the last six years, seven years, have you ever said this time is different? Yeah, but this one really is.

Yeah, exactly. That's my point. This one really is. Stop telling me that this time's different. No, but here, okay. If he wins a masters, then I will admit that I was wrong until the, that happens, he's not, no, even if he wins a master, he's not going to do what Tiger Woods to be. But he's back then, though, because the excitement is back, watching him is back.

Yes, the excitement is back. We are really talking about semantics here because you are saying the guy who won all the tournaments back in the day has never been back. I admit that. I think these guys in the room admit that. I don't know, Frankie doesn't. It's, I'm saying the fun of having him being playing in a tournament and being in contention, that is back. Agreed. What is him being back to you? Does it have to be him winning tournaments? Does it have to be the or around him playing? When you were as good as Tiger, there's no coming back. There's nothing that he can do. But does he have to win as like, does he have to go on and win another 80 tournament for him to be back?

He has to have that look where people shit their pants when they see tigers stare on a Sunday afternoon. But you don't think guys were nervous with him coming up on the leaderboard yesterday? Not the way that not there was something, Riggs back me up here. No. When Tiger was in rare form, it was literally like you can't even do anything. He's just going to win. It's very commonly believed that that, that aura and that intimidation fact that he had is gone. It's gone.

However. And it's never coming back. What Trent said is it's about to magic this. point where in order, like we have different definitions of Tiger actually being back. And to us, a 42-year-old guy who's had three back surgeries and a fusion who is now swinging the club as fast as anybody on the PGA tour, who his last two starts, he's gone 12th and tied for second on his way building up to the Masters. He's playing four out of five weeks and looking healthy.

To us, that is like, yeah, sure. He's not going to dominate like a 23-year-old dominates and golf, but he's going to dominate, or there's a good chance he could come back and dominate as much as any 40-something ever has and get to the point where he's close to 18 major championships, which would threaten Jack's record, and that would be back for a 42-year-old version of Tiger. That's just as exciting or more exciting than a 23-year-old version of tiger. I guess my problem is twofold.

One is hearing that he's back over and over for the last eight years. Because, like, you said, you said, like, this time is different. And I got sick of hearing, like, over and over. He's back. He's back. He's back. We're just kidding. It's just false alarms nonstop. We were doing the bit you're doing it. Yeah, boy who cried wolf.

Right. So it was Boy Who cried wolf over and over. I just honestly like and it might come down to some semantics. This might be a stupid argument on my part and I'll totally admit it if it is. But I just think it is almost disrespectful to peak Tiger Woods to ever say that he's like back back and that he is going to be the Tiger Woods it was. Because that Tiger Woods, we will never ever ever in our life. See again, not just Tiger Woods. I'm saying no golfer.

Like, people will be like, this is like the, you know, like, oh, who's the next Jordan, who's the next fucking Tiger? Jordan's peace the next time. No, he's not. He's not fucking Tiger Woods. Because Tiger Woods, at his peak, was the most intimidating athlete on the face of the earth. Now, let's just say this. Let's say Tiger never got injured. Tiger was continuously just being the best golfer of all time, right?

You never would have went down on him in your vision of him, correct? Like, you would have just, he still would have been Tiger. I'm not, I like don't hold. This is where I'm saying the whole. Like, I don't think he's a fraud. I think Riggs actually said it correctly. he's a socially awkward dude who's been uh you know a star since he was 13 years old and he never ever like became adjusted to the real world like a beber one of those guys like weirdos so i don't

hold any of like tiger being you know like real tiger fucking all these women at you know a perkins restaurant well he doesn't tip well like all that stuff well the tip well the tip well is kind of bullshit come on tiger you're fucking rich like if i was rich i'd tip i'd just be throwing around money yeah that's good i throw on money and i'm not rich is listening. Right. Tell him. Tip more.

So that, like, that tiger, I never, I'm not like, I hate Tiger Woods. It's just I think the Tiger fanboys are a little over aggressive. You can see what my point in bringing that up was that you can see why we may think that he is back in the sense of what we're saying is because if he, the way I look at it is if he never got hurt and he never went through all of this struggle that he went through from the age of what, like 33 to 40 in these last like seven or eight years, that tournament that he had yesterday and this week would have still, I think his performance would have been what he would have been playing these last eight or seven years. Like that was Tiger Woods

playing at as high of a level as he could at this age. Does that make you like I don't want. I'm not like in tune with like golf, but I still find that hard to believe. I truly think he's like, Riggs is saying he's swinging the hardest on the PGA tour. He's hitting, he's hitting these balls so far that guys are literally saying to the media like I cannot believe Tiger Woods is hitting the ball this good at the evening. And then and then and to get it in. to get into what it does mean in the overall sense of golf, him finishing second, like having an incredible finish first. An incredible finish where he makes him 44-foot put on 17.

Golf, like, Tiger put an unbelievable stat up in his prime where he had a year or two where he won at like 33% clip. Right. Which is unbelievable. That's my point. But our point is that him finishing second then in a tournament is very similar with Frank who's saying to what he used to always do. You mix in a couple wins and a couple seconds.

I don't know, man. And that's what Tiger would use to do. It just wins me off. Because, like, that's not, that's not Peak Tiger. Like, saying that that's what, I just, I honestly, it feels like you're slapping Peak Tiger. And I remember Peak Tiger and it was, it's honestly something that you'll remember for the rest of your life as a sports fan. So to, like, even hint that that guy is back, like, he's a, he's going to be a good golfer. He might win another championship.

That's fine. Let me say this. That fucking Tigers is unbelievable. Let me, okay, let me close by this counterpoint to what you were saying about, you know, how great it was when he was dominating, how that was so much different, so transcendent and all of that. Wouldn't it also speak to and, like, sort of get back to that same level of greatness if he was able to overcome all the bullshit that he's overcome in the last eight years, the scandal, the back injuries, all of that, and then win again after everybody said he could never win again, that would be even greater than what we saw when he was actually winning. Hold on. The overcomes the wrong word because Tiger did it all to himself. So that's like a little, that's like being like Penn State. overcame like, you know, everything. Injuries are different, though.

Yeah, he did this stuff on the side, but I mean, the guy couldn't take a swing for thought. Even like that fall, that fall from grace, I would say overcome. Like, yes, it's self-inflicted, but still. Adversity is tough for me to, like, be like, hat tip to the adversity when it was kind of your fault. Like, it was all your fault. I wouldn't say hat tip, but it would be like, wow, he came back from all that. Everyone was, he was publicly humiliated. Yeah.

He was injured, which some of it's his fault, most of it, a lot of it. I'm, the story is incredible. And the sports journalist in me. roots for the story because it is. It's incredible if he could ever even win one more championship. Like I actually think that that like I... If he won a Masters, it would be an incredible

story. Be like one of the best sports stories of the year without a doubt. Like there's no doubt in my mind. So I just, I just want to temper the backness of Tiger because it's just never going to be what it was. He's back. See that you guys like you guys, I'm like,

you know what it's like? You know what it's like? Dude, just fucking jerk. He's that. Like, he's gonna be, I wish he could change his name and would just be like, this guy's pretty damn good. He's not Tiger Woods. He is. He was a, good. Tim Wilson.

Yeah, Tim Wilson is a really good golfer. But, oh man, you remember Tiger Woods? Your co-host famously does the is Joe Flackleel elite thing. Yeah. And it's the same thing. It starts as a joke and then it drags everything, like it drags you into an actual conversation about it. When I think it's really semantics about the whole thing.

Like nobody, the thought of me. I just want you guys to admit that he's never coming back the way he was. He's literally back. He is as good. He can be at the age of 42. He's not going to be a 22-year-old tiger. Even if he was always helped, even if Tiger had 25 major championships leading up to that yesterday, he still would have played the way he played yesterday.

Does that make it sense? Frankly, if I fucking see you being like Tiger, this is the dominant tiger of, you know, the early odds, I'm going to flip out. And then I'm going to get triggered. If he went the Masters and then, like, finish his top five the next tournament, he's got to win. No, because Tiger Woods, dominant Tiger Woods won a Masters by what? What was it, Rick? 12.

But that was when he was when he was in his 20. That was when he was in 20s. Oh, my God. Even if he was 12 strokes. He won't U.S. open by 15 strokes. He was open my 15 strokes. You want a British by 8.

Holy shit. Are you listening to this? I am. That's the guy. Even if he was doing those for the last eight years, he still would have probably finished in second yesterday as my point. He's 42 years old. Is he is doing off the list or no?

No. No, you're very much on the list. You're even higher. You might be number one in the left. You're getting very upset. I just love Tiger Woods. We just, you were always at the top, but we bumped everyone else. even further down now.

Where's Dave on the list? Because he actually thinks he's a fraud. He had a real conversation on the way to pizza. He actively roots against Tiger Woods. Uncle Chaps is number one. Anyone who didn't buy him makes him his great against shirt is number two.

And Big Cat, the Dan Katz one, is number three. Oh, we have I moved you up to the list? You're third. What do I got to do to get off the list? You're not getting off that list. It's impossible. Your tweets yesterday made it impossible. Your response.

My tweets yesterday were all pro-tiger. Their response. Can I actually, can I actually tell you guys something? I actually, I didn't even watch anything. it. I'm sure you didn't. I was just saying. Get out of the fucking studio. Anytime everyone started tweeting Tiger, I just, I watched, I watched the last hole. Where he didn't make it.

You did not. Nobody won. See, that's a win in my book. Is a real Tiger guy? Yesterday was a win. There were a point. That's why you guys are fake Tiger. There was a point where I was like so excited and I looked up and he hit the punt and I looked

down at my phone. I said, fucking big cat. I literally went like, this is a motherfucker. What do you think? What do you think you finished yesterday? Get out of the season. Yeah, exactly. As a real Tiger guy, I know yesterday, he won.

You guys are the frauds. You know what? You guys are on my list. I genuinely. You're on my fucking list. That's Big Cap for part of my take. Thank you, Big Cap, for taking the time with us. Oh, Tiger.

Hey, Frankie. I love you. Be a real shame if Tiger won a Masters. Yeah, would. It would be a real shame for all the Tiger. For you three, motherfuckers, I just put you on my list. It's going to be a real shame. My list.

The real time, the real shame for you, Big Cat. He's already won one, so don't let Tiger get hot. You're on the list. All right, that chat with Big Cat, that lovely, lovely chat that was all over the place. I think we won. We always win because Tiger is our guy and he always wins. That was brought you by our friends of Bet theSI. It's obviously that time of year.

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He gets all of us riled up. It's always good to chat with him. The first part of the interview, obviously, went a little off the rails because we were trying to troll each other while in the room. A lot of trolling. We're in like this troll's web. You get through into so many layers of trolling that you forget where you are. But then, you know, later part of the chat, we kind of broke it down into what was

actually going on. So I still don't know exactly where Big Cat falls on, Tiger. But all I think is that we know that we're right and that's all that matters. The main takeaway for me is that Tiger is definitely back driving the needle. No doubt about it. Everybody's talking about it. Well, you know what they say? And I actually put this in a blog because I heard somebody say it.

Tiger doesn't move the needle. He is the needle. He is the needle. You said it before I did, but that's okay. Damn, that feels good, doesn't it? It does. The needle is back. He's arrived.

We got Big Cat talking about it. We got Portnoy talking about him nonstop. Golf has been in the spotlight for the last couple weeks. With all the JT stuff. Phil winning, now Tiger's back. Yep, so we've got Bay Hill this week, of course. We talked about the stat of the days and the, you know, how that could match right up to how many days it had been since Phil had last one,

and we got Tiger at Bay Hill where he's won eight different times. And then after that, we're going to be basically two weeks away from Master's Week. Oh, baby. Make sure to get your Make Sunday's Great again green and yellow edition shirts. Master's Edition. Oh, yeah. Which is what I'm just going to say. it. Okay. It's the master's issue. I wasn't sure if we were going to tiptoe or not.

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Sunday need something. They want to be great. So if you buy a shirt, especially since it's becoming springtime, the spring edition of the shirt, you'd be in good shape. It's a perfect thing to buy. Store that barshaltsports.com. We have all kinds of good golf coming up after Bay Hill. We've, of course, got a match play, and then Houston, and then the Masters.

So a lot of good stuff. A lot of things to be excited about. We hash some things out with our friend Big Cat, which felt really good. It's going to feel better is when Tiger wins this week at bail. Oh, it's going to be so good. All right. That's all I got. Hit it hard.

Hit it hard.