Fore Play - Tyrrell Hatton: Negative Vibes Only

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

Tyrrell Hatton, a white whale of ours, joins for the first time (36:52). Tyrrell talks tempers on the course, his upbringing, criticisms of Augusta National, hitting mud balls, “Negative Vibes Only,” and much, much more. Before Tyrrell, Frankie, Trent and Dan discuss Rory’s comments on the Ryder Cup, an outlandish article on this generation of golf, a new idea for a World Hole In One Headquarters, and more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's that my brother? I got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Barrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he always knives to the cross the green.

Broads 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100.

He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 a lease yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you that different? It's ain't a hobby. Four play presented by Barstool Sports, brought to you by our friends at Chevrolet, the greatest car company of all time. Why are you smirking? Did I do that opposite?

Why am I smirking? Yeah. I didn't know that I was smirking. No, you're doing it perfectly. Okay. Sometimes I don't know if it's the presenting or the broad. to you or sponsored by, I always messed up because it's brought to you by Barstall Sports and it's presented by Chevrolet. The way Riggs does, it always confuses me. I'm not sure which way,

what verbiage is correct, but I'm not the most verbiage guy. That's all right. We have a fantastic show for you today. Riggs is at the Pinehurst, Riggs Cottage right now. So for the, for the entry of the show, for the beginning of the show, he will not be attending. But him and Danny got a huge fish, I would say a white whale for the foreplay podcast. This was a guy that we've talked about for a long time with his anger issues and you never knew just what kind of guy he was. I find him to be hilarious at how outrageous of a person he is. He also has a very good sense of humor. As you can see in some of those European tour videos where he has anger management, where he basically plays a character like he's in a sketch comedy show. But it's Tyrell Hatton and he's on the

for play podcast and how did that go dan and i were not on that because we trant and i were not on that because we were filming a massive video here on long island how did that go yeah it was um you know the the first like 20 we have a full hour with him which i think which is great and it's always nice to get to get that kind of time because it it often takes a little while for these guys to settle in um i don't think tyrol does these things very often uh so i think and i think he's also very wary of the media in general because he knows the narrative around him like i I remember we had agreed to do the interview and his agent person was saying, you know, he feels like he doesn't get a fair shake from the media, blah, blah, blah. And then last week he said something like, I think he said like fucking shithole about something.

And then Golf Digest made this like huge quote graphic about it. And he's like, that's just Bush League. So I think he definitely was a little bit wary of us to begin with. But the last 30 minutes, you could tell he started to get more comfortable and his personality started to come out. He's very self-deprecating. He's very aware of himself and how much he moans. The funniest thing is he was complaining on the podcast about how he never gets a feature group. And he was saying that he has to play his ass off for anyone to show him on TV.

And then I got a text saying, check the groups. This week he's paired with Rory McElroy and Jordan's speed. No way. Yes. Holy shit. He was like, I saw him today. He was like, can you edit that out? I was like, absolutely not.

No way. People are going to love that. So yeah, he's. he's cool he's you know people have said he's a very different person off the golf course and he is on and he's very soft-spoken and very polite but you can tell when you get him going about golf i mean we talked about mud balls we talked about plug lies we talked about you know everything he hates about golf and you know he's a he's a he's a white whale it was good to get him on the show it's a huge get and that's another one shout out to dan rappport he locked that one down for the podcast so huge shout out to

you and that's an interesting takeaway or the interesting opinion that he has because john rom we've talked to him a lot now that was sort of of the way he was painted by the media where it was like, you know, he's this guy who's angry all the time. He just loses his mind on the golf course. And it seems like John Rahm's recent approach is I'm going to do a bunch of media and I'm going to show people that that's not what I'm like. And it sounds like Tyrell is kind of taking the opposite approach. You know, he's coming on the podcast, so it may be changing a little bit. But I do think, and this has been the case pretty much with everyone that we've ever talked to, regardless of what their public perception is, their perception on the golf course is, when you sit them down and you talk to him for an hour. like you guys do with Tyrol, a different side of them comes out. And it's usually a side that ends up being, oh, this is just a normal guy.

And I think the more media that a guy does, a lot of them don't want to do media and I get that. But a guy in his position and John Rom was in a similar position, the more you do, the more people are going to see the side where it's like, this is a normal guy. Yeah, I will say, I think John Rom is a lot more of a normal guy than Turtle Hatten is. I don't, I wouldn't say that I would describe Terrell as a normal guy. I like him. I think he's very charming. I'm not sure I would describe him as a normal guy. We asked him if I don't want to spoil too much, but he was saying as a kid, he was an absolute lunatic. Like, this has just been him forever.

So I think people are really going to enjoy hearing from him. I heard you guys had some drama yesterday as well. We won't talk about that just yet. That's coming in the next couple weeks as the editing machine rolls on in the New York City office. But Trent and I filmed a very big video, I would say. And I'm very excited for that to come out. We've got a bunch of videos coming out. But just to close the Trial stuff, I mean, that is so big for this podcast to get a guy that a lot of listeners don't know exactly who he is.

And he's such a character on tour that this is going to be such a big episode for him and us where like you now are going to know who he is. And he's always in the mix. He's always doing something that's worth the camera being put on him. We're always talking about him with social media. He's always going viral in golf Twitter like with doing something ridiculous. after a pot or a miss putt or whatever. And now, after listening to him, talk to you guys for an hour, you're going to be able to really know who that guy is.

And it's going to just be so much. That's what this whole entire podcast is, like, supposed to be. Obviously, we make dick jokes and talk about hot guys that we saw at Arandicoit. But this is supposed to show the difference, like, who these golfers are and like the real side of who these people are that we watch on TV every weekend. So that's really cool. Yeah. And you could tell the first 15, 20 minutes he was in, he was in sort of press conference

mode, you know, where he was just sort of answering questions moving on one to the next. By the end, there was a noticeable shift, and he started asking us questions, and, you know, it was more of a conversation. And that's, that's, you know, that's the goal, I think, is to, is to kind of remove that formal layer and have these guys open up. I'll be, I wouldn't be, um, surprised if he doesn't get invited back to Augustin National next year. But, um, he's, no, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, that to use a word that I see a lot or a phrase I see a lot on Instagram. He's authentically himself. You know what I mean? He's very authentically himself and I respect that. It's also how well player. What did he shoot on Sunday at the players this year? Yeah,

he finished second at the players. He was seven over he was seven over through nine holes. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. It was weird. He was seven over through, uh, through nine holes at the PGA and ended up finishing 15th. He hung in there. So yeah, he's had a great year. I think, you know, he's definitely going to make the Ryder Cup team. He's, he's definitely part of that younger core so going to be seeing a lot more and i think i'll have a bunch more fans after this you know that we've been a part of the chevi evy family but we've got big news the first ever all electric chevy silverado is officially barstool's most valuable truck the mvt we got a chance to see this thing in person and experience it in scotsdale and it was a game changer available 400 mile range

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Chevy Silverado, the all-electric, Barsall's MVP, Chevy.com. Speaking of the Rider Cup, you're out at the memorial right now. Roy McElroy gave a press conference talking a little bit about rider cup. What exactly did he say? I saw a couple quotes. Yeah, I asked him. I said, you know, John's been here. John was in here saying he just wants the 12 best Americans, the 12 best Europeans. Patrick Cantley was in here just saying he wants 12 best Americans, 12 best European. So I said, you've said in the past that you don't think the live guy should play. Do you still feel that way? And he said, I certainly think Brooks deserves to be on the team.

He said, you look at how he's played in the two majors. There's no one who's been as good as he has in the majors. And I certainly think that he deserves it. Then he kind of said, I don't know if any of the other players are good enough on merit. And then he said, but I feel differently about the European guys and how that whole thing played out. So I think there is a lot of animosity, not necessarily between Rory and Brooks. Remember we saw that clip where Rory was talking to Brooks and he's saying, I'll talk to you later. I think Rory sees DJ all the time in Florida.

I do not think that Rory and that sort of older European guard, the Sergio Garcia is the Lee West with the importers. I do not think that they are on good terms. Yeah, that's going to be, it would be tough. I mean, I just don't know what the decision is going to be. But having a Rider Cup team with those European guys, kind of the older guard, and having Roy on that team, the locker room stuff is going to be a nightmare. Because he's very publicly against it. He's not just, but it's kind of shifted in my opinion.

It seems like it's not so much anti-Liv now. It's anti-those guys. I think he really, really doesn't like those guys. And it's an interesting sort of line to draw. But that, like, that's where he gets, you kind of losing the plot if you're Rory. Yeah. Because if you just don't like those guys for whatever reason, and if it's not because of the live stuff, like then why are you drawing that line?

I think he would he would say that you know they turned their backs on the European tour and you know they they were because to be fair those guys were a little bit not a little bit they were a lot more mouthy than the American guys who went over just about there were other than Taylor Gooch who you know probably isn't going to be on the team because of that mouthiness I think the mouthiness really pissed a lot of people off I think if you went to live and you kind of just did your thing like like Harold Varner or like Brooks or like DJ for whatever. whatever reason, it's not going over quite as harshly. But yeah, you're right. The objection initially was, oh, where the money's coming from, what it's doing to the game. Now it's like, Sergei Garcia Garcia is an asshole and I don't like him. Yeah, that's an interesting place to be if you're or I don't know what's going to happen with that. It's going to be very interesting. Well, they're going to get, they're going to voice. Is that voice starting to go, Dan? I can hear it kind of like starting to fade away. No, I just needed like a good, a good one of those. I'm back. I got the wedding in 10 days. So I'm really trying to, I'm really trying to keep the tones.

I try to. You do back. You do. You do. You do. battle through those like gargly voice moments you just keep going you know what i mean i'm a big like i got to stop and clear it because i'm very conscious of it because i i've always i'm always like you got a bubble in your throat i say it to everyone you know what i mean i don't know what it is i just feel like you got a bubble in your throat like i'm always constantly telling people like i think you just got it i think you got to clear it out so i that was me just like subconsciously letting you know i think you needed to clear that out just for yeah no just for everyone it's gone it's absolutely gone now. And for anyone, it doesn't see if you're listening and you're not watching on

YouTube, Danny's at the memorial. So he's just inside of what looks like a government building. I asked him if he was at the DMV. But I mean, they keep on redoing the golf course. They have not redone the media center since 1986. That's that much is very clear. So yeah, it's, how is it out there? It's good. It's hot. I'm only here today and tomorrow. I'm doing one of these Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday deals that I've been doing more of because once a tournament starts, as you guys have known, you guys do the same thing. Once the tournament starts, you don't really get much. I just cleared it. Huge. That's huge for everyone. Okay, I'll make a note to do that going forward. So I'm doing a lot of the Tuesday- Wednesday stuff moving forward because I feel like that's when I can actually talk to guys

and go to press conferences. Once a tournament starts, it's all, tell me about that up and down on 12. And it's like, oh, I hit it close and then I made the putt. And yeah, it was big for the momentum. You know, it's the same thing. Can we talk about this piece of shit from Golf Digest that wrote that article yesterday about I recuse myself. Oh, come on. Who the hell is this guy? I wouldn't go as far as the call him a piece of shit. It's just a it's an article.

Fill the people in about what it is. We'll do it briefly. We won't go crazy because it's not it's not that. It's egregious for sure. But it's like, who are? What are you talking about? Have we become a bunch of emojis numb to the use of profanity? And this guy just reads, he just writes a, and absolutely sucking his own dick about how he thinks that golf needs to be in a place where they used to wear fucking caps and, and pointy shoes and ties and the women wearing dresses and everyone was polite.

And that, um, the Netflix series, basically this guy doesn't like the, like the word fuck. He hates the word fuck. It really drives him crazy. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. He says that the Netflix series and guys like Rory. and Jordan Speed and Justin Thomas, it's gonna, it's gonna stay on them like a bad tat too. I didn't like that line. I didn't like the tattoo. Oh my God. The Netflix series will live on like a bad tattoo on these guys' careers essentially because they use the word fuck.

When Rory said, fuck you, Phil, that made this guy send, it sent him into the corner making shivers. So who, so I don't know anything. You know, I'm not a big like golf digest guy.

So like, what's this guy's deal? That's stunning. You know, Jerry, Jerry Tard. Yeah, Jerry Tarty. He's like the dean, the dawn.

He's like basically built Golf Digest. He's a member of Pine Valley and Wingfoot. And he's just a very, you know, they call him the dean of golf journalism. He's like kind of created the magazine. Yeah. But he's obviously, you know, he's probably in the 60s. And yeah, the game has changed. I'll say that much.

Right. The reason I was going to say is like, why I don't want to go crazy is because this is such a 2014 opinion that he has that it's not even something to worry about. Like this is a guy, the quotes that are from that article are from an AI generated old golf media guy. Like it's not, it's not like, I don't, I see this and I don't even worry about. I'm just like, what is this? This is so outrageous that I can't believe that in 2023, this is the approach and the angle that he's taking. This was my favorite quote.

And I tweeted this at you, Frankie. He said, and I quote, I look at sepia pictures of old tournaments and every man in the gallery is wearing a coat, tie, and fedora. the women are in dresses and pearls they weren't all rich folks either adults wore leather shoes not sneakers or flip flops i know i'm out of touch but nobody looks good in those silly jogger pants and flat brim caps i'm telling you that boy it sounds like that guy wants to go back into the old times you know maybe too far and let me tell you something about the old times when they were wearing flat brims or or or they died of the century oh my god yeah when they were wearing tippy-toed fucking shoes and women were wearing dresses and pearls you know like that wasn't the greatest time

That wasn't the greatest time if you really want to go back to that, man. I don't know why you don't like joggers and and flatburns. It's just it's for everybody. It's not exclusive. You know what I mean? Like you want it to be that game again. I would love to sit him down. That's why I call them,

did I call him an asshole? That's why I, a piece of shit. Because you're just, you're basically saying that you need a specific type of person to play the game that you consider or that you write about for the rest of the, This is your game, right? This guy's the dawn.

He's the newspaper. He's Golf Digest. Like, he has his mark on this game and he, in his mind, thinks that it needs to be a specific way and that he's actually mad that, like, other people are enjoying it, essentially, right? If I wear joggers and flatbrams and that's the way I like to consume golf and that's the way I like to play golf, he's actually, like, he's actually saddened by that. For sure. Really, which really grinds my gears.

So when I saw the joggers and the flatbrim and the tattoos, I actually did a control F for my name because it felt that personal. This guy, Dan Rappaport. He's going. He's coming. He was a golf. I used to work. He used to work. I honestly felt that it was, felt a little personal. No, he definitely wasn't about any one person in particular. But I also thought it was interesting that he was saying, he's like, when I, when I play in these proams, I hear the pros say the F word. It's like, so that's not, you're not even really mad about like the people

at the public golf course who are playing music. You're mad at like PJ Tour Pro is getting frustrated and saying the F word. So I don't, you know, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, who is in your... We need to attract younger and more diverse audiences, but this is the way to do it. When Harry Styles plays golf, he wears a collared shirt.

Fuck this guy. Is that even true? I don't know. And like Frankie's saying, I played behind Harry Styles at Deepdale once and he was wearing like the coolest shirt of all time. If this, it definitely wasn't something that you would see in a sepia picture.

Let me tell you that. And like Frankie's saying, if you got into a time machine and went back to whatever vague time period he's referring to, the people are, cursing and they're mean and they're they're just people everyone is a throughout time just because you think the past is better you're looking at it through rose color glasses it's all pretty much the same things just sort of shift and they become thankfully in golf more inclusive the way more

inclusive yeah as golf has gone forward you look at the way things are going now it's just it's in a better spot he's he's got some you know uh uh rainbows and gumdrops version of the 1950s for some reason when it's just that was that's not what you think it is and for some reason he's using that as his angle to attack the f word it's very confusing to it's bizarre it's it's a way more diverse game nowadays it's not just old white men and white women wearing pearls and necklaces and pearls thing felt very specific i don't know pearls was extremely specific it was almost like he was thinking about his mother or something it was fucking weird but at the end of the day it's a better game today than it was in the 1950s and for him to not see that and i know it's just his opinion right

but we're allowed to just bash opinions. It's just opinions. I'm not saying, you know, I called him a piece of shit. Yeah, but like he could still be a nice guy. I hate this take. I despise it. He knows that his take is going to be taken in one way or the other by putting it and publishing it on Golf Digest.

So it made the rounds on Twitter. It's one of the crazier things you'll ever see, I think, in golf. The fact that this is still around, the fact that people are at the helm of golf media and they have that take. It's sad. But at the end of the day, they're the ones getting pushed out. the comets coming the dinosaurs are almost out and uh yeah i mean it's it's almost time for these guys we got to get them clean white shoes and point them towards the window because that boy needs

to be putting a home that guy needs to be putting a home can we add him to the home with jeff shackleford sure because a door just opened up and they just put on new linens on his bed and they they got the monday through fucking friday pills set up on his dresser and they're gonna walk in and bingoes on tuesday night and we got to put tardy we got to throw tardy in that home you got to throw him in the home you know that home has one new member okay it's we so we went down for jeffauchaford all right because it's getting split we so the last time we did this and it was at the 2019 president's cup obviously that was a more of a direct attack from that from old hugs for sure and at that point it was really it was fun and it's still fun and it's even more fun having a guy who

was employed by that company watching Frankie do the home thing because watching Dan Rap, Dan Rap is a hand over his face right now. It's so, it's so wonderful. This guy took me to Pine Valley. I mean, listen, it is what it is.

This is the risk you run with having, you know, you're a public person with a public opinion. When I say things and our, our producers, I love our producers, but sometimes they're fucking dumb, but when our dumb producers will put the stupidest thing I said on the podcast out

and about just all over Twitter and Instagram. You don't think people call me a piece of shit. Oh yeah. I used to be a real piece of shit. Speaking of that, uh, the new season of I think you should leave with Tim Robinson is out and it's fantastic. I've watched first two episodes.

That guy's humor is just, it's like he took my brain out and put it on to a Netflix sketch comedy show. But, um, this guy, you're going to get backlash and I'm sorry. And yeah, it's easy for us to tee off on this. This is something that we've been fighting forever.

And it's like, it's just the easiest shit. to be like, you're old. This is a bad take. I hate you and to get all worked up and it seems like we're just doing it for content. I genuinely hate this take. I genuinely think that this is bad for the game of golf. I think guys like this are what makes it exclusive and everything that we're trying to do is the opposite of this.

I just didn't think I would see it. Like Malbin and all these things. Even us. Like we're releasing hoodies and flatburns. I mean, you're wearing a flatbrum right now, Danny. Like this is like where it's going. Sorry that this is the culture. Sorry that more people.

from more different walks of life and who have way more interests and they come from different sports and different cultures and all these different things. And now they're starting to light golf. I'm sorry that that's happening. You know, like I'm sorry we're not all wearing the same three-piece suit and wearing and we're taking sepia pictures and fedores and pearl necklaces. Pearl necklaces and dresses. I'm sorry.

You know what? Golf's way better for it. What do you think he thought when it was raining and they all were wearing the backwards hat and Roarer was wearing the backwards hat. I mean, come on, dude. Probably turned it off. Yeah, no, it's like I said, it feels like a 10 year old take. It really does.

But dude, it came out in 2020. No, I know. I'm surprised. I digest from the dawn of fucking golf. Like, it's still coming out. That's bad, you know? It's a 2014 take and it's happening still. You know, but nowadays it's getting,

it's getting, it's still around. Now it gets lambasted bad. It gets, people go crazy about it. If you look at that tweet, I kept looking at it, looking at the quote tweets and people are like, this guy is, this guy's out of his mind. This is an insane take to ask. There are so many curses in the quote tweets and the responses. So many curses. You know, everyone threw in a fuck in there.

It was incredible. You know, it is what it is. It is what it is. Definitely not great. No. You know, sorry you had to be a part of that, Danny. But it's just, it's just the world we're living in. It's part of the laughing.

He liked it. It's part of it. You know, you're on the other side now. You're wearing the flat brim. I'll see you in a fedora. It's, um, it's, it's definitely been an eye, not eye opening, but it's, you know, it's been different like in a good way. Um, the people that we see at our events and, you know, the, the people who buy our merch

and the people who say hi to us. It's a different in a much, like, not, not that we don't have the country club people because we do. It's not like, just because we're wearing the stuff doesn't mean that people at these nice clubs don't like our content and what we do. But there's also a, like a wide, like a, a white, wider range and a wider audience for it. And I think it's, I think it's fantastic. It's always good. Speaking of good things, I want to talk about Taylor Made for a second,

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Really good. Recently got one on Sunday and went to the clubhouse after and all I got was a, well, I guess you owe a round a beer to your playing mates and a handshake. Am I wrong for thinking courses should hand out some sort of recognition from north of the border in Ontario? You're not wrong at all. What is standard operating procedure, I guess? What is standard operating procedure? Yeah.

Like if someone gets a hole in one, let's say it colonial what happens yeah getting email sent out i know that we've gotten emails all i did i did see that the other day which is nice recognition right i think that's all this guy's really asking for is like maybe your name up on the wall or like some sort of tally where it's like you your your mark on the game of golf has been recognized you made a hole in one it's like the achievement that everyone tries to achieve we can't become pros we can't win the masters we can't win the u.s open but what we can do is we can we can maybe do that one thing thing in life where we get the ball in the hole in one shot and we just want to pat on the back we

want that mini trophy we want to be able to say look what i got you know what i mean don't make it all up to the guy to do it he has to go on going amazon you got to get a ball you got to get a ball frame you got like that's all like if one guy wants to do i want a standard operating procedure when i make a hole in one i'm getting what i know what i'm getting i um my buddy got one back in the day and i'm pretty sure he got his name in the paper i think that's amazing right right right It like has the name, his name, the course name, what club he used. You can clip that thing out, frame it. I know that my dad, when he got a hole in one at the real homo golf, St. Andrews and Cedar Rapids,

there was a plaque on the wall that had all of the hole in ones. And there's just like a little nameplate that said Gary Ryan on it, that he loved that. Now, that was on the simulator. That was a simulator, right. Yeah, which is incredible. I thought I mentioned that. Yeah, it was a simulator. That's the best.

I do, you actually bring up a good point. I don't know how you would do this. There almost needs to be a hole in one's government. governing body where they take all of them. And again, you would have to have it authenticated by the club where it happens. So you just get a book of world records. Something like that where you get like in the mail, you get a certificate that has all

the information, the date, maybe your picture. And then obviously you have the ball. You frame the whole thing. I think there needs to be a whole and one's governing body that manages all of this. So that would mean that every single golf club in America needs to basically, subscribe to this governing body. You pay X amount of dollars a month just to keep this thing up and running just so that they can have enough money obviously to run their operation. But the golf courses have to pay for that. That's that's an expense on the pro shop where you're now

part of this subscription where if anyone at your golf course gets a hole in one, they send it onto this system. It goes to the all world hole in one headquarters. Yep. And, And they, by the way, what's like the acronym of that? All World Whole and One headquarters. It's the A-W-H-I-O-H. Hawaii. A-W-I in all-A-W-W-W-H-O-I-H-O-I-H. A-W-H-H-O-I-O-I-O-I-O-O-I.

We'll work on that. H. We'll work on the name. My brain can't, fuck. I can't figure it out. We're struggling with the acronym. But over. Oh, it's a good idea.

At the end of the day, at the end of the day, that, that organization, that, that, that world organization sends you something, whatever it may be, like you said, whatever it may be a certificate, right? It could be three, three dollars worth of their time. But you're getting something in the mail. You are. Like how, how many whole ones are there per year? Per day, I would say.

How many are there than, you think there's more than, you think there's more than 150 whole and ones a day? Not a chance. Really? Nope. Really? Across the world. No. Why?

That's a really interesting question. How many whole and ones are there per day? Because I was thinking per year because what this, what this organization, like how much legwork is there actually? Like, I can't. 150. I would say on average over one million rounds of golf are played every day. That's a whopping 377 million golf rounds per year. There's a million rounds of golf every single day. What are the odds of a hole in one? All right. We're going to have to do some math. Everybody just bear it with us here. We're going to have to do a little bit of math. But I do want to know because the number can't be

that high. The odds of making a hole in one are 12,500 to 1. Oh, boy. For professional golfers, the odds of making a hole in one drop to 2,500 to 1. So they're saying this is going to be. So now, no, so now you basically have to do 1 million divided by 12,500. One million divided by 12,500. Yeah. And that's per we're going to have, that's a per day number. That would be 80 hole in ones per day. Even that. Even that. seems high. It does seem high. But that's just that's just like going off of the first thing that came off Google, right? And no one really knows how many there are a day. But I guess they're saying because think about, I mean, this is anecdotal, obviously, but we're in the world golf. We have a big golf podcast. We got a big golf YouTube. Like people send us there when they get a hole in one. They'll just DM and be like, I got my first one today.

We're in the world of golf. Like it just doesn't feel like there's 80 a day. That seems way, way too high. Dude, honestly, it's probably over to 100 now because that number, the 377 million rounds of golf played per year was from a survey taken in 2012. Yeah, it's definitely gone up then. Way up. So this organization that we've created is going to have, that's a lot, man, 80 times 365. That's 29,000, that's 29,200 a year whole and once based on a 2012 survey. How many? 29,200.

29,000 hole in ones a year. Yeah. So they got to send out 29,000 pieces of paper. Yeah. It's a lot of ink. It's a lot of paper. But it's doable. Doable.

I like it. It's like when you get a signature from a famous person, an athlete, it gets authenticated. It has the little piece of paper that it's like, this is an authenticated, um, signature. Now the question becomes they would have that organization would have to come up with the criteria. The criteria that we've argued a lot on this show, par three. courses does that count they got to decide that i'm not going to decide it they got to decide clubhouse decides that i think before you enter the name in that website what do you mean you can't have you come into the club house you come into the club as you say i just got a whole one and they

the person who's at the at the computer they're the the decider on if they're sending your name or not no really that's a conflict of interest because they they as a club are going to want whole in ones because it's like publicity you need a governing body like this whole and one thing that we came up with to lay out the rules of what's a real hole in one. So now the clubhouse has to tell, has to decide and get all the information I'm saying. They have to consume all of this information. You have to say it was a par three course. There was mats.

Yep. And there's somebody at this whole and one organization that has a big stamp that says yes or no. And they go yes or they go no. And that's it. They're the governing body of whole and ones. Do you want, as a, as a consumer of this product, do you want the no sent to you? Absolutely. Yeah, me too.

This, this, this organization has to have some self-awareness because that's a funny thing to send out. It's like, it's like getting accepted to college. You get it in the mail. If you got a whole in one in a situation where you're like, I'm not sure if that's going to count, whether that be a par three course or whatever, you just send it in, you and your club send it in, and you see if you get your whole-in-one acceptance letter. You wait a month and you get the letter in the mail. Everybody gathers around.

Everybody's at the clubhouse real excited and you open it up and you either got a hole in one or you didn't. Wow. I kind of love it. I really love it. We're not going to do it. No. That's a free idea for whoever wants to start the, what was it? All world whole in one organization.

Yeah. No. Headquarters. Headquarters. Yeah. All world whole and one. headquarters. That's, yeah, that's a great idea. So yes, I think that that club to, what was his name? Cody. Was it Cody? Cody, you should have gotten something. And we not only should you have gotten something, you should have gotten something from this organization. And we're going to

build it. We're going to figure it out. Hopefully someone just takes the idea. But this is going to come to fruition and everyone's going to get their recognition because it's an amazing thing. It's an amazing feat. If people die saying, I'll never get a whole on one, like that's a thing. people say like I'll die before that happens it's got to be worth something certainly it does it's got to be a moment it's sad for cody that they're basically just like giving them a handshake and getting the fuck out of here no there there's got to be more to it than that oh we got a situation here where frankie is fading in and out messing with the cord again you got to get a new court i think nope you're still out all right i'm just going to throw this thing to tier al hatin this is a guy that

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six-time DP World Tour winner, also PGA Tour winner, the Red Cardigan, the whole deal down at Bay Hill, the Arnold Palmer Invitational, a 2018 winning European Rider Cup team. And like I said, maybe from a pure entertainment factor, the most interesting man to watch play golf on earth. Tiro Haddon, how are you today, sir? I'm doing good, thank you. Are we, I assume we're getting ready,

gearing up for a little Ohio golf this week? Yes, so we arrived last night. And I think I've only played this tournament once. I think it was 2018. So I know they've made some changes to the golf course over the last few years. So, yeah, I guess I'm really excited to see, see what that's like. I mean, Riggs introduced you as the most entertaining man in golf, and you were kind of smiling because, you know, I think you're full well aware of your reputation showing emotion out there.

Does it, do you feel like people have it wrong, or do you feel like it's a fair way to categorize you? Well, yeah, I guess certain things that I do on the golf course. that maybe gives that impression or some people don't like it. It's kind of a mixed bag, I guess, but I'm just being me, so I'm not really too worried about it. I couldn't fathom people not liking it. That's just bizarre. Like, why do you watch sports? Why do you watch anything?

Why do you watch TV if you don't enjoy someone wearing their heart on their sleeve, being emotional, being passionate out there? We've talked about this a lot with John Rom, but if you're not, if everyone's just, some monotone, you know, drip out there, the entertainment value would suck. Yeah. Well, everyone's different, aren't they? Everyone reacts in different ways. Yeah, I'm certainly not afraid to show what I'm feeling.

I guess a lot of it as well, you'd probably see it at the local golf course at a weekend anyway. So just relatable. Absolutely. Yeah, we post clips all the time on our, I mean, you know, we try to post these viral clips, social media. People lose their fucking minds on the golf course all the time. Yeah. Has it always, has it always been this way? Has you always been a super fiery player like growing up? Because you said you're just being yourself. And, you know, I think the personality of a golfer has to be authentic in a certain way. You know, you're just being yourself out there. So have you always had that kind of fire as you played? Yeah. I was, uh, I had some pretty, I guess, bad moments as a, as a junior growing up with my temperament at times. Yeah, I've always been fairly hot-headed on the golf course. It's never, I guess it has settled down in some ways, but it's, yeah, the fire is 100% always been there. Is it nice now that you're an adult?

You can just like nobody, like when you're a kid and you're doing that, like you have a coach, you have people that can like yell at you. Now you're an adult. You can kind of just you do whatever hell you want out there. Yeah, well, it depends how stubborn you are anyway with people telling you certain things. Where to product, you listen to it. No, there's times where certainly for me now, I know within myself, if I've crossed that line, if I've gone too far and sure times that there has been those times,

and I wish I'd probably reacted differently. But ultimately, I'm not like trying to put anyone off or anything like that. You know, I don't want to be affecting my playing partners. So, yeah, it's just one of those things. We talked to John Rahm and he's said that he feels like his fire helps him on the golf course. You know, there are sometimes when you're playing and you're in contention where some of the announcers are speculating that, oh, you know, maybe he's spending too much energy. getting angry or you know maybe he would he would move on faster if he didn't react so strongly do you feel like your temperament helps hurts or doesn't really affect your play on the golf course um

i wouldn't well most of the time no it doesn't affect how i'm playing um for sure i'd be pretty pretty angry but i'd still i'd still have a clear head and know what i'm trying to do over the next shot although i'm still visibly sort of frustrated I guess with how I feel within myself, I don't ever feel like I'm using energy in doing that over affecting how I'm then going to go play the rest of the round of golf. Yeah, for me, it doesn't really work like that.

We're used to playing a lot of golf anyway. How are you when you drive like a car? Like if somebody cuts you off, what happens? somebody what's your reaction i yeah uh my manager danny every time we're on the phone i'm in the car um he's just he's just starts laughing at me because i oh yeah oh i don't hold back in the car either it's just annoying though isn't it when people cut you up or do to do stuff like people it's it's annoying when you get bad bouches on the golf course it's yeah it's all annoying horrible drivers yeah a lot of people most people are idiots too so you have these

idiots in these machines on the it's it's it's a disaster i don't blame me out there out there it's yeah yeah road rage is is real yeah to be we've heard from it'd be funny if you were it would have been very funny if you're only on the golf course you're just kind of you know get be a little hot head of people cut you off you're like oh come on in here yeah yeah no the opposite let's get into uh your relationship you know you've got kind of a unique uh relationship with your father who I believe has been kind of your only swing coach. Tell me about growing up and kind of balancing that, you know,

because obviously there's a lot of parent-child dynamics and then there's coach-child dynamics and you're trying to balance those, and I'm sure those lines can get blurry at times. Yeah, at times it can be, it has its challenges. But yeah, my dad's been my coach since I think since I was 10, I want to say. It was either 10 or 11. and yeah he was made redundant from from his job

and decided that he would do all the coaching and custom club fitting courses and yeah so now he's run a business teaching and custom club fitting from the studio on the side of the house so yeah it's been obviously had its highs and lows in that in that sense of working together. But yeah, generally it's been good. We've always kept things extremely, like very simple, never tried to do any,

any big change is really the golf swing. And that's always a good thing because it shows, like, even at times when you're struggling, it's always going to be something very simple with that setup or maybe even a rhythm thing on the day, a ball position. It's always something small. And then just the first part of my takeaway really is kind of once that's in,

and I feel comfortable with that, we're kind of good to go. But yeah, my dad's put a lot of time into my golf many, many hours in the evenings as a kid, doing something. some work in the studio and, um, take me to tournaments as well. So, yeah, fortunate the, the amount of time that he, he's put into it.

Must be very easy for you to just disagree or him to just disagree with you. Since you guys, your father's such big, no, that's not, that ain't it. That's not working. Yeah, we have a hard moment. If certainly, if I don't want to listen anyway, um, then it can be a little bit awkward, but I guess in some ways he'll,

he'll just uh he'll just leave me to it now and let me um give myself a moment to figure it out how uh how is it being a um you know english guy through and through liverpool fan i believe now you're living in orlando in florida what's that transition like what's that what's that what's that sort of life like for for a guy like you who like i said feel like england and sort of that background is almost the exact opposite of orlando florida Yeah, well, home is still the UK. That's not true home. Yes, we've had a place in Orlando for a couple of years now. We actually, I rented with some friends in 2012, we're at Champions Gate when we were playing Hooters Winter Series. We were, yeah, just playing one day events, two day events in Orlando that year. So when we came out in 20s, 17 to try and get temporary membership. I wanted to be somewhere that was kind of felt familiar.

I loosely knew my way around a little bit. I didn't want to go to a completely new space, a new area on a week off and be like, I don't know where anything is. So, yeah, we started in Orlando and down at Champions Gate, and then we ended up going to Lake Nona from 2018. and we've been there since. It's pretty mad.

It's a lovely place to be, especially inside the gates. Very different from what I grew up with in the UK. But the other good thing about Orlando is there's five flights a day back to London. So it's really easy to get home. It's easy for family to come out and visit. And generally, yeah, the weather's, the weather's nice and I'm weeks off it because it's so different it it almost feels like you're

on holiday we don't have houses with pools in the UK so little things like that is it is a nice thing to have houses with pools is like industry standard in Florida like that's that's just that's just what you're I know you got a you got married in Asheville Asheville North Carolina wouldn't wouldn't expect that tell me your connection to that area yeah so um obviously with COVID like a lot of things kind of were pushed back a bit we had actually planned

to get married in in Italy and with COVID that was kind of getting delayed and we were told about Asheville by some friends so we looked into it and decided that

rather than push back getting married another year we would just go and yeah a loat up there just me and emily and then for our one year wedding anniversary which was actually on just saturday just gone um we we went to um we went through the ceremony again in italy so in florence last year so it was our just our two year wedding anniversary sorry so um yeah we effectively had two weddings which was nice.

But Asheville was a cool spot. Good for beer too. Yeah, I was to say, did you get after it that week? We, well, loosely, there was a few hazy IPAs consumed, but we didn't spend too many times in the brewery. It's not really Emily's,

she'd be happy to go to a couple and then should be done. She's not really a beer drinker anyway, so. Italy, is she a wine? She got to be a wine drinker. She likes wine? She does, yeah.

She'd say I'm a bad influence. So, yeah, she enjoys mainly red, but we've also just started drinking a little bit more white wine. So, yeah, don't fear the grape juice. Are you guys, like, seasonal with your wine? You're doing white wine when it's nicer out, red wine when it's a little chillier? Well, I feel like white wine's easier if you're going to day drink as well, especially when it's hot. Yeah. So, yeah, we had, I'm trying to think, yeah, it was just after Charlotte.

we went back to Orlando and had some friends over on the on the Monday and he just had a nice week at Wells Fargo so we ended up opening a fair few bottles of wine and enjoyed our Monday at home Tuesday morning flight was a bit frosty but yeah it was a love that it all good fun what do you What do you like to money wise? What do you like to splurge on? Is it wine? Because I mean, this last year, a couple of years, you've had some big finishes this year and some elevated events, good amount of coin coming in.

Are you like a car guy? I know like Ian Poulter's a big car guy. Are you a wine guy? Are you a vacation guy? I know you guys just went to Italy. You're going to have a wedding every year. You're two for two so far. It feels like.

What do you like to do? What do you like to get at, you know? No, I mean, conservative, I guess. in a way. I enjoy cars not to the extent that Pulse does. But yeah, we've got a new car arriving soon, which is cool. It's nice to, we've been on a few holidays as well. So it's always nice to have experiences rather than just things.

You know, when you have experiences, is they always last longer and that you like fun memories. I think are more important than just, um, items that seem to just come and go throughout your life. I think they're, they're more meaningful, to be honest.

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It is fun when you've got a chance to try and win on Sunday. If you're, you know, when you go through phases of missing cuts or you make the cut and you're, um, you're sort of near bottom of the leaderboard for the guys that are playing the weekend. then they're always like the hardest things because ultimately that's not the position that you want to find yourself in on a Saturday or Sunday and you know you're trying your best and things aren't really happening and I'd say those times aren't as fun this year's been a little bit different in the compared to the last year and a half two years where we've we've been amongst it a bit more on a Sunday which is you know ultimately is what we're playing

for you want to be trying to win as much as possible um so yeah that's um it's what's all about really right and it's not like it's not like you unravel because you you've i mean the last tournament i think you played the pj championship was a good example you were like a million over through eight holes and you kind of crept your way up the leaderboard i mean what were you seven like six over through seven or something crazy i was uh seven over through nine on thursday okay seven over through nine and you ended up finishing 15th so even if you're kind of upset you you have a way of of keeping it on the rails golf wise yeah ultimately like all you can do is just just keep going you can only give 100% every time and ultimately yeah you're going to have days where you don't play well um

but you can only be really disappointed with yourself if you gave up like if you stopped really trying and um you know i was proud of how we recovered in in that tournament um it was uh yeah certainly a shock to the system to feeling pretty comfortable with where I was at with my game to then come out the gates and be seven over through nine on a

you know it was a it was a tough golf course you didn't really have to do that much wrong to make bogey so to be to have my back that fire against the wall so early in the tournament was

definitely not ideal but you know to just to keep trying and see what we can do. I mean, even though we shot seven, finished seven over on Thursday, I kind of said to Emily and Danny that I think if, even if I shoot two under tomorrow morning, I think we've got a chance to be it for the weekend.

And I end up bogey in the ninth, which is our final hole on Friday, to shoot two under for the day, which was only, I think, one of seven scores underpart that morning. So, you know, I was proud of that round with how hard it was playing. And ultimately, yeah, it was just about good enough to get us through to the weekend. And it's also a pride thing. Like, you don't really, no one wants to, no one enjoys missing cuts.

You want to be fighting to be up there for the weekend. And yeah, I was happy that I then continued that good play. had a respectful finish in the end. Missing cuts has to suck. Like clean it out your locker. Get rid of it. Oh, that must just suck. Well, it's almost like a,

the, we've all done it. It feels in a way like a bit of a walk of shame out of the locker room. Your flight bag packed and, um, yeah, it's not a nice feeling. You,

you don't even have to play bad to, to, to miss a cut though. Standard. It's so good every week. Um, yeah, but professional sports not meant to be easy. I've been screaming this from the mountaintops that I think it's a huge mistake that they're getting rid of the cuts for the designated events next year for the reason that you just mentioned that you guys hate missing them and you think about them and they matter. Um, what's your opinion on that on getting rid of the cuts and in those big events next year? You're going to be playing in all of them.

Um, well, for I, and I agree with what you're saying in a way is it's a shame to miss the cuts, but. from being able to play in them, it's a nice, as you describe it, you just say a comfort blanket in a way. You're going to be there for the, you know you're there for the whole week. It's easy to just know what you're going to do. You don't have other things getting involved.

Ultimately, everyone's known about the elevated events from basically the start of this year and how important the top 50 is on the FedEx this year and you go out and you earn your place there. It's not given to you. Yeah. If you're playing in them, you deserve to be there.

And so it would be interesting to see how it plays out next year, if they go down well or not. But, I mean, I think I've got enough points up now that I should be fairly close, but yeah, hopefully I'll be a part of them anyway. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, if you're Tyrell Hatton right now, then no cuts are great. That's like, why would you go in the next year if you're in that position? Yeah, I don't, for me personally, it's fantastic, even if, you know, from an objective standpoint, you know, it might not think or it's the right thing or whatever.

But anybody that's in there is going to love it because it eliminates a lot of that stress. Do you get nervous out there on the course? At times, yeah, definitely. I think if people say you don't get nervous and they're probably lying to you, I think being nervous is a good thing. It's also you're nervous because you care and you're in the position that you want to be in

and that's the chance is to win the tour. tournament. So yeah, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous. I mean, that that two-foot putt that I left myself to win at Bay Hill, I mean, the putter head was shaking behind the ball and I was just, oh my God, I've left my, I can't believe. One, I've left myself a, like two and half foot are down the hill on these screens. I mean, yeah, it was, it wasn't a nice pat to leave myself anyway, but yeah, I was definitely nervous over that. Big part about being a caddy is, um, is being like kind of a part psychologist. And I would think that, you know, Mick is, that's a big part of his job because, you know, you're talking to

him constantly. Does he respond? Does he, does he quit back? Does he just sort of nod? What is his attitude when you start to, you know, talk to him about the bounces or the greens? Yeah. Well, Mick, he's just had, he had knee surgery, had a half knee replacement during master's week. So he's, he's off for a bit of time now. So I've been working with Bo, who used to work with Shane. They were, I think they were together for four and a half years or something like that. But Mick and Bo are good friends. So, yeah, it worked out sort of nicely in that sense.

But, yeah, Mick would be more quiet than Bo. Mick would just not really say too much and then once he's sick of hearing it he'd probably just he would just tell me to basically shut up and get on with it so I think everyone reaches a threshold

or when they can listen to hear it so so much and they get to a point of okay you're done now just stop do you think like Mick, Bo, Greller Adam Hayes, maybe Ted Scott a handful years ago. You think they have like a Sunday night like support group.

They get like a beer. They just kind of hash it out a little bit. Yeah, probably they all have their own ways of de-stressing. Yeah. It's, uh,

Caddian's not a, not an easy job. That's for sure. With, um, well, what they have to listen to the, got to go through on a on a daily basis of a tournament week so yeah that the guys um the guys work hard and they're they're a massive part of everyone everyone's team i have a ton of respect for you to have the gumption and the the the bravery to speak up about i guess national in 2022 you made some comments that you felt like the setup wasn't great i think a lot of people

thought you were going to get like struck by lightning right away uh because you said something or that some green coat would, you know, yeah, some sort of trapped or some sort of like anthrax letter. Do you ever get any blowback from that? Did anyone, you ever get any letter? Or was it just like normal that you went on with your life? No, I mean, I'm trying, I'm trying to think, what is she even said? I still don't even think it was that bad. It was, again, like, I was just being very, very honest, but apparently you can't say anything remotely negative. Apparently everything has to be perfect, which is just false. Nothing's perfect. There's always going to be something wrong. And if you're getting told

that everything's amazing, then, you know, it's just you're living in dreamland, really. You need some, you need like negativity sometimes in a, I guess, more, maybe more constructive way to get better. But, yeah, that was, uh, there was an awkward time for me really because I was so disappointed because I, you know, I shot 79 on on Saturday, which was not great. And then Masters Sunday with all the pins that we all know from growing up watching it as a kid. And yeah, I just played horrific again. And I remember standing over a put on 18.

It was like a three and a half foot putt and I was like, please don't miss this and not break 80 on Sunday at the Masters. And yeah, just obviously missed that, shot 80. And wasn't a happy boy. And, yeah, signed my scorecard, finished DFL for the weekend Warriors. And yeah, a guy in a green jacket was asked me to do some media. and I'm like, you ask me.

I'm like, why would I want to do it? I've just shot 15 over for the weekend. Like, I had nothing good to say. And he's like, no, we'd really appreciate it if you can do media.

I'm like, yeah, but I don't want to. Yeah, but we'd really appreciate it. So I walk, yeah, walk over and do answer some questions.

Yeah. And I mean, I'm trying to think what I lose, What did I say about it? You said that good shots aren't rewarded, basically, that sometimes you hit good shots and they bounce, they take these crazy bounces, and it's not necessarily a great test

because sometimes there's luck involved. Yeah, well, I do feel like you can hit pretty good shots around there and they almost don't end up where a good shot kind of could. It's very, I think ultimately that place is so, so precise it's just it just ends up being brutally difficult if you're if you miss certain things by barely an inch like you can hit the same you probably hit the make the same same golf swing twice on every hole and the ball lands in a slightly different spot and you can either shoot 67 or 77 it's just um yeah it's just it's mad in in places of how

precise you have to be um yeah i think that's fair i mean i think you know it's funny if somebody says that about a u.s open setup it's one of you know 75 people that have said it that week or whatever we're used to hearing it and somebody says about augusta it jrars people a little bit which is to dance point it's like yeah they're so protective of everything but uh you know it's you should be able to and like he said the guy asked you he demanded that you answer the questions like what are you going to say what do you yeah i just shot 80 Well, yeah, I mean, not many, I don't think too many people would be very positive in an interview. So they were just 15 over for the weekend.

But, yeah, it is a special place, though. Like, I'd say only Augusta and St. Andrews are the two, for me, I think the two golf courses that you'd walk onto and you feel like you're, like, somewhere special. It has, like, a certain feeling about it. So, yeah, the kid inside me is buzz in fee there, but I, yeah, I certainly struggle around that golf course. So playing the week is maybe not as enjoyable as what people think it might be. I had a vodka Celsius the other day and I said, there's vodka in this? Was it a truly? It was a truly vodka Celsius, brand new, just right out of the old invention lab.

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The U.S. team the year before had kind of a record-setting performance at the President's Cup. You know, Alan Shepnook had essentially said that for the next decade, it's USA all the way. You guys were dominant. You guys gelled as well as any team I've ever seen anywhere. What are kind of your takeaways, your memories from that whole year and that whole experience? Yeah, that was. That was a pretty special week. I think playing first rider cup in front of a home crowd was really special.

I mean, that grandstand behind the first team was like a joke. And I remember, yeah, that Friday morning going out in the four balls, I was actually more nervous on the range, to be honest. and then I had a really nice warm up. My dad was there. And what I talked about earlier with sort of positioning my swing just at the start of my back swing,

I was slotting that like nicely every time and I felt comfortable with the feeling that I needed to get it there. So then it was a case of just allowing myself to go and play and, you know, walking down to the first tee and you kind of loop back on yourself and then you're looking at full grandstand and the atmosphere was just something

that I'd never experienced before. It was, yeah, just something was in the air, like just electric was really cool. And I remember going through sort of pre-shot routine and standing behind the ball and swinging the club and everyone kind of cheering. And then you step into the ball. And you could just, it was almost like,

just went whoof you could hear a pin drop and the amount of people that around that that tea to i almost like we stood over the ball it's like it is bad and um yeah ended up hitting hitting three were down the fairway and um yeah felt about five foot nine walking off that tea which was a nice feeling uh where are you at you know going into this year's uh ride Cup are you lobbying i mean you're really close on um world points it feels like you should be a lock on the team in my opinion but with you know chatting with the team with with luke sort of how's that process going yeah it's been um it's been good so far luke's been pretty on it we've had um there's been a few few dinners and stuff that a few of the guys have been um attending so i guess

trying to create a bit, you know, the team environment already, which has been, which has been fun. Like, we all get on, we all get on well. So it's, it's pretty easy for us to all, all be together. But yeah, it's just, it's still, what is it? I'm trying to think what month we're in now, May. So we're still, still got quite a few months till September. There's a lot of golf to be played between now and then. And with there being six picks this year, it's going to be certainly different to the previous years. So far, we're in a nice position on the world list.

And ultimately, like, I want to try and qualify through merit and not rely on needing a pick. It's always, it can always. be a bit, I guess, a uncomfortable time if you're effectively relying on being one of those picks. But yeah, it just is what it is. Like I said, there's a lot of golf to be played between now and then. But so far, so good. You guys have kind of a new wave. I mean, the last Rider Cup felt like it was probably the last Rider Cup for, you know, age, even before all the live stuff for the, for the kind of Poulters and Paul Casey's and Lee Westwoods.

And now there's a core that's kind of you, Rory, Rom, Victor, Fitz. Do you guys feel like you're taking on more of a leadership role this cycle? I mean, for me personally, I would say no. It doesn't feel any different to previous years of trying to qualify for the team. I'd say compared to the previous years of just sort of being a few guys being together a bit more like I said at certain tournaments

and we all go out for dinner you know that's so that's been maybe something different so far the team maybe looks in a transition but change. Change isn't a bad thing either.

And it happens at one point or another. And if speaking for myself, if I'm lucky enough to play in a few more down the years, then by that time, my time's kind of come to an end in that sense. And there would be other guys that are better players and stuff that come through and everything moves forward, doesn't it? So the European Tour, DP World Tour, phenomenal on the content front.

How infuriating was it doing the Whole One Challenge? I know you guys only did, I think, 50 balls instead of the 500, but how infuriating was that? Yeah, that was annoyed, actually. We did that. Spot Shopen, was it last year? I think it was a couple years ago. I think it was 21. Yeah, it was not like me to moan about a Pimp,

position, but yeah, it helps us out a bit more. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, we're just hitting like, I think we're hitting a wedge or sort of a three quarter wedge and the greens weren't spinning enough. And so you basically had to land it almost in the hole to have a chance of it going in. And yeah, there was a lovely little slope like 10 feet left. If they just moved it a little bit further to left, it would have come a bit more off getting with as tarred.

It's the course. It's the greens fault. It's the greens fault. It's course set up, man. Nobody can get it right. I mean, whoever put that pin, just they mud.

You got to get you in golf course design. We got to get you to design your own golf course because then you wouldn't be able to complain about it. You know what I mean? It would be like, this is my course. No, no. I'll always find something to moan about.

That is, that will remain true. It's not surprising. Yeah. Yeah. You haven't been out there yet, right? This week you just got in town. Yeah.

I said I arrived last night. Spirit Airlines. Beautiful. Spirit Airlines? You flew Spirit Airlines? How much money to be this year? I know. I was just traveling on my own and I wanted to try and maximize how much time I got at the house.

And yeah, there was a, I think one of the latest flights there was. and it was spirit at like 920 from Orlando. So I was like, look, I'm just on my own. So it doesn't really matter as just wanted to be at home as long as I kind of could. So yeah, that was basically one of the last flights. So that was the one that we chose. No problem. Sat on the plane, watched Netflix and all good.

You watch anything good? You watch the McGregor thing yet? Yeah, I actually watched that last week. So I thought it was really interesting. Yeah, I watched it yesterday on the flight as well. I thought it was really good. I hadn't really realized how many like downs he's had. It had a lot of parallels I felt like to the tiger thing.

As a big tiger fan for the last 20 years of, you know, like you think about all the highs, the champ champ, champ, the whole deal. But it was very like motivational. I felt like inspiring how some of his lows are unbelievably low. And for him to keep battling through that, it was very inspiring. Yeah. It's,

and also showing like how hard, how hard he works too. And it's pretty, pretty impressive. And, but that, that injury with his ankle, even with the sound effects to go with it,

like, just, oh, they did. They put it an outrageous sound effect. It was, it was, yeah,

when he, like, you're like, oh, I was on the plane. I was like, my god yeah yeah so i i kind of knew what's coming because i remember um seeing the stuff on on social media when he when he had injured himself and um so i knew what's coming but emily didn't

and she hates that kind of thing as i mean not many people enjoys seeing that day but um yeah so i i kind of just sort of sat like with almost a bit of a smug look on my face because i just just knew what's coming. I knew she was going to hate it. And yeah, her reaction was, it was funny. She, yeah, she wasn't happy. But in terms of what I was watching, I started the diplomat. Okay. I haven't seen that.

Yeah, so that was, yeah, so I'm two episodes in. I think it's eight, eight episodes in the series. So, US Ambassador. Did you watch Succession? No. No succession. We're big succession guys on this show Yeah I haven't

Yeah succession's a good one It's very good one It just finished up I watched I'm like two episodes into chimp empire too And that one's really That one's pretty damn good Okay I haven't

I've seen it on When you're just Swiping through to see See what ones are gonna Take your fancy I don't know that I could binge it Because it's like I don't know That I can take four straight hours

Of just following chimps around In the fucking forest But like one I might watch like one every couple days And get through it's only like four episodes, I think, but it's pretty good. I had heard it's really good. It might be unpopular, but I thought beef was terrible.

Couldn't get into that. Beef. I haven't seen it. No. What is it about like the meat industry? No. Wait, you've worried me now. I think it was called beef.

Yeah. What's it about? Oh, it's like going back to road rage. It starts off with a road rage incident. And then basically these two are trying to get like one up on each other and basically ruin each other's lives. Yes. It was so slow.

And then the last, you know, like a 45 minute episode or whatever, when you're watching it, you're like, why am I watching this? And then the last two minutes of the episode, you're like, oh, is it going to be good now? So you start the next one. And then it's shit.

Oh. So. That's annoying. That's infuriating. They save the best for the last two minutes. Oh, yeah. Strategic with streaming. They want you to just keep going.

Yeah. That was how like, the night of. I don't know if you guys ever watch that show like a handful of years ago when that one came out, but that was similar. It would be kind of slow. And then the last two minutes, something wild would happen that you had to keep watching. Then you had to keep watching. And by the end of it, after eight episodes, whatever, that just wasn't that good. Yeah, it's always disappointing to when that happens. Golf Galaxy. Golf Galaxy is a dream come true for all golfers. They've got fittings, grips, shafts, lessons, everything you can want. Plus, they have an immaculate amount of

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I'm excited about the prospect not having mud balls. So I remember that was one thing that did my head in when we're here. In 2018. I remember walking down the first fairway. A lovely tee shot to start my week. I get down there. You can barely see the golf ball in the fairway because it was just the whole fucking thing.

It was caked in mud. I'm like, how lovely. This is going to be great. Where did that shot go? Well, I was full hit and hope, but I got fairly lucky with that one. I think I ended up hitting it to about 30 feet, which was a nine iron and how much mud was on the ball.

Was more than acceptable. Yeah, that wasn't the ideal start to put me in a good headspace to start the week. She's fragile out there. You can't have fucking mud balls on the first hole. We got to have a better cleaner start than that. Do you ever practice hitting mud balls to try to get a grip on what might happen? No, well, I mean, I guess through experience, it always does, like the opposite. So if there's a load of mud on the left, it should go right.

Load of mud on the right, it should go left. So you always try and aim and hope that it kind of does what you think it should. But it's always, it's very uncomfortable because you're naturally aiming where you don't want to be aiming. And especially if you get the one that decides to just be an arsell and goes the complete. the opposite way to what it's meant to, like when you're aiming left for it to go right and it goes left. Right, cool.

Cool. That just sits their way to get absolutely posed. Getting right out of just talking about it. You're going to make this guy up. You think you should be able to clean the mud off the ball? Is that a policy you would get behind? I said, no. I mean, yes and no.

I think if it's a fair way are picking up mud and they know that it's going to happen before we go out and play. If you've hit the fairway, then I don't understand why you need to get, you get punished for then hitting basically a good shot. So it's an all, I think that's fair. It's just just something else to moan about, to be honest. We can keep we keep going. We've got to find more stuff. Just get the longest list we pop up. Yeah. How about plug lies? Plug lies. What's the deal with those, right? Plug lies.

I had a weird one actually years ago with a plugged one. Oh, it wasn't well. My board basically finished in someone else's pitchmark. And then because it wasn't my ball that created the pitchmark, it had to then play it as it lied. So that was another nice moment for me. I enjoyed that one. Where was the pitchmark?

Where was it? Was it a fairway? Yeah. Yeah. Where was it? It's a firestone. Is it Akron? Yeah, they're not there anymore.

It must have been like five, six years ago. Yeah, it was a while ago, but it just came to things like blithe. I was infuriated at that moment, yeah. Would you try to like chunk it? What'd you do? Wasn't I? 30 yard shore, the green. So it was just like basically just hitting a massive fat, hope for the best,

like bunk shot kind of vibe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I can imagine you probably don't, yeah. You don't respond. You don't love those. It doesn't put you in the right mindset when that happens. No. No. I've had a few good ones. So let's avoid mud balls this week. That's our goal. Let's just whenever they pan to Teerlhat and they zoom in on your golf ball, we're all rooting for there definitely not to be any mud on there.

That would not be entertaining. To be fair, I don't think you probably, you're not going to, I don't think you'll be seeing me in the first, at least the first few days anyway. we won't we generally don't even sniffed get anywhere near the TV draws so wow are you is that a little is I detect a bit an ounce of salt in that in that comment no no he loves that actually he's plain anonymity as a as you know we do a gambling golf show for the

barstful sports book and I pick you quite a bit and I have noticed that that you're not visible Thursday through Friday and you have to basically play well be in contention for them to show you Saturday Sunday, which is infuriating because I've led the entire show saying that you're one of the more entertaining players to watch. So we got to lobby hard to get you some feature group

coverage or something Thursday Friday because they never really show you. Well, yeah. I think we're at a stage now where you should be able to see any golfer in that's playing in the tournament. Even if it was

say that a subscription of like you sign up to your you sign up for X amount or whatever and you can choose five players that you want to see you can see every single shot they hit any tournament um I feel like you should be able to yeah you should be able to watch who whoever you want to watch sometimes the coverage on on TV and I enjoy watching um weirdly I enjoy I enjoy watching the golf when I'm on an off week. And yeah, sometimes just tunnel vision on feature groups and isn't, it's not great viewing. No, it sucks. It sucks.

It's the only sport that's like that. Like if your favorite team, any, you know, soccer team, football hockey, whatever, even if you're a favorite tennis player, like, you can watch every shot that they hit. You can watch every match that they play in golf. You just can't watch people play golf, like by choice. You just can't. No. So, yeah, hopefully that changes as years go by,

viewing will be a bit better on the TV. We're going to get to your other than. We've got to get you on there more often. I agree. You probably would have enjoyed the club throw from Barron Nelson if you had seen it anyway, if I was on TV. Was it like an upwards? Was it a downwards?

Can you give us like a little breakdown? Do you what, though? If you did see the video, what I would tell you now before you view it is I genuinely didn't even mean to like how this club took off is scary I was just trying to throw it

into the ground in front of me and there was so much anger and my hand right hand was a bit sweaty well I've got like the late release and this thing has taken off.

No, no. Low and left. Oh, no. Screamer. Low left's never good in golf for anything. Well, lucky there was no, so there's no crowd. You couldn't walk down the left side anyway. But the flight of the club was probably like the funniest thing about it almost because you couldn't even hit a golf ball through the gap in the trees that this thing went through. And once it got through the trees,

It had like this cartoon moment of the splash of when it landed in the hazard. The splash seemed to echo. And it was at the time, it was so funny, but I was so angry. I wouldn't allow myself to process, like, the noise. And I just walked, we just walked off, walked up to the green. And I said to Bo, when we got up there, I said, Bo did, I didn't mean to throw that club. But the splash, and then as soon as I said the splash, he just interrupted laughing. just dying laughing so then that set me off like we had tears like just stood on the side of the green just me and in both our shoulders going laughing the heads off um but yeah that we said oh we're we go and look for it when we walk up the next hole to see if we can get it back um and yeah then walking off the green the um one of the media guys presented me my eight ironback so that was uh handy

that's nice that's really nice to get it back i uh i one time was playing in a member member like 10 years ago and this kid went to uh throw his putter down the fairway and he similarly he just held on to it a fraction too long and so instead of throwing it straight down the fairway he held on to it you know 20 degrees too long on his arc and just threw it off a cliff into a hazard off to the side way gone. I mean, gone. And then we had to play. He had to put out that hole. And then the next hole, he had a huge putt to try to push the match. And he didn't know what to do. And we were like, you can't, I mean, you can't borrow your teammates. Putter. Like he, you just threw your putter off a cliff. So he had to putt it with a wedge. He three putted. We ended up winning the match. He did not. He totally meant to throw it down the middle, threw it off a cliff. And he did the same thing. So club throws are a dangerous game. You never know what you're going to get. Yeah, but if you're going to throw the putter, you need to know that you're pretty, you're pretty solid with the wedge. You've got a backup. Yeah.

He wasn't. He clearly had never done it before. No. Poor form. No, that was ugly. Yeah, poor form. It's now much better. For me, anyway, when you, if you are struggling putting and you do have a moment with the putter, how many times on the next screen when you've got the wedge out, you just roll it in from 15 feet and you're like, tiger, Tiger practices that way with the wedge to make sure that.

that he's like hitting up on the putts. Yeah, I've, like, in order to get a good role, you have to really like strike it the right way. Yeah, so I've always, when I'm putting with a wedge, I always, um, start with the, the wedges on the ground. You don't hover it. No, I always start with it on the ground and then just make, make my stroke and then,

yeah. Wow. So that you will, then you'll go from low to hitting up? Yeah, but it's, like, not even thinking about the mechanics of it. It's just naturally, that's how I've always, set up if I've always if I've ever had a wedge out on the green I've always just done that um it can worry you if you've got like a 50 foot put but I haven't um I haven't topped one or got underneath it a little bit yet I've always caught it like nicely in the

ball so we you go how often are you doing this how often are you putting with your wedges um I do it sometimes in practice rounds just because if the golf bags over the other side of the green you just can't be asked well you only just see any now it rolls down there so you just hit the put with a wedge so i haven't i haven't needed to to put with the wedge in physically in tournament for a while um i think the last one actually was in memphis it's progress yeah we're on a hot street run at that we're on a hot streak yeah every every year i managed to do something um club related so memphis it's a hot place and obviously you get a hot head there too yeah it's not your fault it's a hot place too hot it's too hot

Yeah. All right. We get now to the course today. I'm going to check it out for the first time. Yeah, I'm going to go see how many mud balls we can find. And now, joke it. Yeah. Positive vibes this week.

I should be, I'm like, I'll be the opposite. Negative vibes only. You should get a hat. You should get a hat that says negative vibes only. It's so much that. You could trademark that. Max is what the, you can, is it PBO? I'll just go

full opposite. But no, we're walked out there today. I think the proam's nine and nine. So it's just a nine or proam. So I'll probably just do the opposite nine. That today. But yeah, I'm excited

to get out there and see, certainly see the changes. I imagine the golf course will be in immaculate condition. So that's always a nice thing when you're going to a venue and you know that the the course is going to be pretty spot on. So, yeah, should be interesting.

Every time Max tweet something like, you know, in a good spot going to the weekend, love this place, hashtag positive vibes only, you should just respond like in VO and just a short video, throw in a club. PIN position on 17 was a disgrace yesterday. You got to do it. You got to do it.

Talk about PIP. Do you want feature groups? You want feature groups? That's how you get featured groups. that would be such a good brand i love that so much terrible as well uh amazing absolutely amazing well look uh we appreciate it we very much appreciate the time i know you just flew in last night and uh and we talk about you a ton on this show uh you're like i said maybe my favorite player to watch out there so we got to get you a little more tv time well i'll uh i'll try and play as well as a can

these over the first few days at least to then you might you might see me on TV I appreciate that played well enough to be around for the weekend we appreciate you doing that for us obviously we know you're not doing it for yourself we know that you just want to make sure we can watch you play yeah and then I'll just avoid social media for more than you got to start start responding to max tweets but just as negative of a tweet as you can come up with I'll probably get in trouble. Thank you very much. Well, more trouble.

But yeah, you're welcome, guys. Thanks to having me on. Sorry, I've, you've bored you now for the best part of an hour. Oh, no. That's impossible. It's impossible. You might need some good editing skills to cut out some of the flow. I think everything was perfect.

We're going to get you back on. I'm sure there'll be plenty of events that occur between now and whenever we get you on next time, that we'll be able to break down. So keep up the good play. We're rooting for you on the Ryder Cup, make everything more interesting. And yeah, good luck this week. Thank you very much.

I appreciate that.