Fore Play - Under The Lights, Over The Moon

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

Tiger, Rory, Spieth and JT under the lights. How’d Tiger look? Are we optimistic? With the upcoming PNC we get excited for The Woodses, Dalys, Thomases and others. Nelly Korda impressed at the QBE Shootout. Plus: Are penalty kicks stupid? If Augusta ceased to exist where would you like to see the Masters held? Will golf exist in 200 years? Did Trent speak out loud to anyone since Thursday?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot, his name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nives because he was nice to the cross the green. Nice to be here, boys.

Congratulations on all that you're doing is as mediocre as a little bit of. it is. Brok 100. Now you got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool.

We appreciate it. After watching this year, I'm very much thinking about getting it. So I have a fusion surgery. Skip that. I was like, hey, Phil, you own me fucking $29.99. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 of these yesterday. Oh, my God.

Take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you guys taking with it? It's a hobby. For a play. brought to you by Barcelona Sports, presented by our very good friends at Chevrolet. Tren, you do a little cracking in the knuckles before you clap there? I did.

I cracked every single knuckle in my hands. Do you guys do that all the time? Yeah. Yeah. And I was told as a youth that it causes arthritis, but I believe that is an urban legend. So I just continue to crack my knuckles at an accelerated rate. Does it have any effect other than just kind of as like a relieving sound feeling almost? I mean, there are air pockets in there that you're getting rid of.

So I think maybe it's a short-term thing, but it certainly gets rid of discomfort for me. I mean, I crack my knuckles. I crack my neck. I crack my back every day, a couple times a day. I think there's anyone out there that doesn't crack anything? My mom.

They've gone their whole life. My mom, because when I do it, she goes crazy. Really? So she's never had the urge to just crack a thumb or just kind of move your back in a way that it just gives a little pop. You don't crack your back in the morning?

Wake up, do a nice little twist. Well, I'm asking for her. Oh, I think some people are kind of like, weird it out. It's almost like a sensory thing, you know, like nails on a chalkboard. I feel like it's a human nature thing to want to just pop it. It's almost like your body tells you. Maybe I'm so far at all. Do you think she's hypocritical about it at all? You think she's like, wow, that's really, but then does it at some point with a knuckle or a bat or something? If she did, then she's one hell of a liar. You've got to think that she like accidentally

falls into a crack here and there. Oh, I think it happens for sure. I just don't think it's ever by design. And in those moments, there's a sigh of like, oh, dude, ankle occasionally. You know, your ankle gets stuck a little bit. You give it that little and you like releases it. You kind of extend your feet and get that fucking ankle crack on the top. Mama rap's doing that for sure. Speaking of rap, we got, I'm hearing whispers of a, of a, just a novel of a Monday, usually earlier part of the day rap that went out today on barstlesports.

Yeah. We did our, we did the year end awards. I spent all last week pouring over the internet just reliving the year, basically. and it was a crazy year. It feels like Riviera was so long ago when Bryson and DJ were saying that they're committed to the PGA tour. But it would all happen in 2022.

So we're putting a wrap on the year by we're handing out player of the year, shot of the year, round of the year, social media posts of the year, lived affection of the year. And we've got it all. It's quite the entertaining read.

Moustache of the year? Mustache of the year would go to me for sure. But that was not one of the awards. I could not address it for much longer because that thing is, It's a choice. Yeah. I'm going for like the Brooklyn dirt bag look for I'm here for a couple weeks.

So I figure I might as well lean into it. I know it doesn't look good. But every time I look at someone, they kind of double take, which that's worth something. I think in this day and age, if you said you're going for the Brooklyn dirt bag look, that's got to be the worst look like amongst the most people in America. You know what I mean? Like that's the most. I'm saying America. Like America would agree that the Brooklyn dirt.

bag look if that was a costume in the Halloween store would be the least bought costume in the Halloween store. Look, it's a weird time of the year. Things are zany. You know, things are weird. It's the end of the year. I'm saying the connotation of like a Brooklyn dushy dirt bag has, I don't think, ever been positive.

Like for, right? No, it's, I mean, unless you're going back to like when my grandpa lived in Brooklyn, like if you were a dirt bag back then, you might have been kind of cool. Yeah, like a cigarette in your fucking ear. You were playing stick ball. I don't know if that would be considered a dirt bag, but like a Brooklyn night back in the day,

it was like a cool, a cool cat. Yeah. And then I tell people I have a golf podcast and then the whole thing just comes collapsing down. Yeah. Now it's like where are you parking? You having arguments on the streets. It's a lot.

Well, you know, we've had phases. Frankie, you did during COVID? Was it when you had your, I had a wild mustache. That situation going on there? Well,

it started with an Islander's, uh, playoff beard that kind of grew out into the cheeks. I went to the White House with it. You had the cross. You had the cross. You had the cross. I was in the Oval Office with like a ridiculous mustache.

I can't believe you took that. That was when you filmed the Trump interview. Yeah. It's still just like, you know, I have a photo in there of just me with a mustache. Everyone's like, that's just not, the whole thing's not real. Everything about you wearing that thing is just not real. I was very committed to that stash. I really was.

I mean, I could have easily just shaved it off the morning. Would it taken half a second? Half a second. Yeah, you had like, I remember a year later, you'd be like, I can't believe you guys let me go through that. I think we told you every day how ridiculous it looked. I kind of, you know how you can, well, you guys don't deal with this because you have facial hair, but like I can see now like that two years have passed since I did that. I mean, we kind of did it for the max homo one this year. Yeah.

But I can see like the follicles are almost more there than they were when I went all in against when we went into the White House. So it's like I want to kind of give it another go. I think it'd be more full because it wasn't that bad. The mustache wasn't bad. beard was bad like the mustache i think was doable you just need another islanders playoff run right yeah so we'll do that again that'll be a perfect opportunity um you know what's weird about them is like they're not going overtime so like they have 17 wins which is more than the teams around them in the division but they're also have like 11 losses so it's kind of it's bizarre they're just

like 17 11 and zero they like no so like all these games they're losing they're not even grabbing a point so they have way more losses than the teams around them. Like the Rangers, I think, only have like seven or eight, but they have five overtime losses. It's a very weird start to season, but they're playing great. Blues are having a weird year. Blues are one of the weirdest teams in the H.

I watched that Blues game last night. That was fucking horrific. Dude, they're like that every night. They're like that every night. Seven seconds to go. They blow the game and then they just lose on the first shot in overtime. Those fans are like 11 seconds ago. We were cheering for a win.

That's happened many times. Like that, those type. I mean, the other night, they gave against the Islanders. They were up 5'1. And then that was going to be an all-time win. I was just about to fire off a tweet at you too and I got distracted. And then I looked and it was 5-4.

I was like, what the fuck are they doing in the third period? So they're just a weird fucking team. The future, baby. We got to talk about the future. We've got to talk about where we're going to be at with vehicles and where you need to be at with vehicles, which is Chevrolet EVs. If you're not thinking about an EV, you're a fossil. You're going to be in the, in the, stuck in the past. You're going to be trying to get stuff that's crazy expensive that has some bad potential roots as to where it came from.

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EVs for everyone everywhere, Chevrolet. Speaking of teams, we got Justin Thomas and Jordan Speeth against Tiger Woods Roy McRoy. We obviously have to get to that. First time seeing Tiger Woods play golf on television in public since the Open Championship, where he missed the cut. But first things first, overall, I thought the event was fucking awesome. I thought under the lights was really, really cool.

Just everything being in the sphere of this under the lights, new, unique look, I thought was a fucking home run. I was watching with three or four people who are not golf fans. And they were like, this beats the shit out of the normal golf tournaments. You know, and I think that's an important perspective to get is like, it's not that we're advocating for this kind of stuff to replace. place golf tournaments, right? The reason that we care about Tiger Woods and Rory McElroy and Justin Thomas and Jordan Speed is because of what they have done in standard golf tournaments. But when you

bring these are the top four guys in the player impact program. So at least by one measure, the four biggest stars on the PG tour and they're all genuinely really, really good friends. I mean, it's all about the chemistry. And they had the chemistry. These guys are not afraid to give Tiger Wood shit, which will never not be entertaining to watch. It's always going to be entertaining to watch someone give Tiger Wood shit because it's just such a surreal thing that you would probably never do in your life. So I thought they knocked it out of the park. I thought the production was great. It was quick. Just, just a nine, I would say nine out of ten. Really good show. I got to be honest, I was on a plane when this was happening. So I saw the clips. I saw everything that happened. It looked amazing.

I thought tiger looked great. I saw the thing with Annika or Anika. Yeah, I thought, I mean, it looked really great. And you bring up an important point, Dan, where people who aren't golf fans are into that. So there is an appetite for that. Now, the tournaments are not, tournaments are not going anywhere. Tournaments. You know what sent me on the wrong path there was Brunica? Dude, Anika, the name, Anika sent me on the wrong path for five sentences. And then I said, tournaments. Sometimes you get in those weird modes where you forget

what real words actually sound like. So like, like I just couldn't even say the word words. I'm with you because this last weekend. Last time I couldn't say Hogwarts. I kept saying like hog where, wait a minute. What you guys, What you guys don't realize, what you guys don't realize on these Monday morning Tuesday Drop podcast is for the most part during the weekend, I haven't talked to anybody. I've just been hanging out. You just haven't said words.

Dude. This, this podcast is my first go at human interaction since Thursday. So, you, Tritt doesn't know if he's had a voice since Thursday afternoon. And he, that first when we throw that take to Tret, anything could come out. Did you talk this weekend? Did I talk this weekend? So I flew back. What was that?

Was that Saturday when I? Saying you can leave it at the door to the delivery man does not count. No, no, because Uber Eats just leaves it. They leave it out. They leave it out at the door. This is incredible,

by the way, that we have to think about this. Well, I flew Saturday. The match was Saturday, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So I flew, but do I talk to anybody on a flight? No. No chance. That whole day. So I did Taylor made stuff Friday. I was talking to the guys at the kingdom.

all day. And then so I woke up Saturday, didn't talk to anybody, getting to the airport, got on the plane, didn't talk to anybody. Landed Sunday, I certainly didn't say anything to anybody. So it's probably been 48 to 50 hours since I've opened my mouth and said words. Holy shit. So when I get on this podcast, that's the first time in a long time that I have spoken. You don't talk to yourself ever?

Like you don't say anything? I don't know. you don't sing a tune you don't i mean i'll yeah i'll just yell like expletives at myself like when i just like when i stub my tall i just be like fuck but outside the only talking i do to myself is like you're a fucking idiot that's that's that's about it i do a ton of that um but what about do you put music on in your apartment you got like jing yeah yeah i got music along i got podcasts going i don't sing along no i don't do much of that um i do a lot of i do a lot of self like to myself singing yeah i do some of that

No, I mean, I don't. That's very funny that you did not speak for 50 for 50 hours. You didn't your vocal cords were not used. It makes sense. You come out a little slow then. That makes a lot of sense. Getting warmed up. Match seemed great from what I saw.

Match was awesome. Dude, the match was great. The visuals were awesome. They nailed all the camera shots of like the ball flying and disappearing into the air. It's one of the more viral aspects of golf media is when you see like some hot chicken high heels like hits a ball into like the absolute Vegas one. The Vegas top golf is huge. It goes into oblivion.

It just goes forever. That's almost like a like that's that's one of the challenges you have to complete to be an Instagram golf girl, I think, is you've got to have that high heel shot at the Vegas top golf, which is sick by the way. This time last year, like when the, when the stealth was coming out, like they gave it to us and we were starting to use it. And I remember I was going to all these like these outdoor driving ranges and just love. launching balls into the fucking sky. And I remember KFC, KFC like last year was talking to me

about a post once. We were in the office and he's like, dude, this person hits the ball. I think it may have been Brandon Walker. It was Walker's boss. Like hit a ball forever. Dave even tweeted about it.

They're like, dude, he hit that ball 400 yards. I'm like, no, it's kind of just a cheat code when you hit it at night. Yep. You did that last year for a little bit,

Frankie. You had a whole range. I kind of did it to like prove it. I remember sending it to KS. I mean, like I hit this ball into another orbit. Like it's gone. There was the video of Mike Trout.

Mike Trout hitting one like with a super baseball swing. Yeah. It is, there is something optical illusion. It just looks like it's never going to come down. It's our guy, Kalamara from Instagram. Yeah, that guy, he's, every shot he hits. It looks like he hit a 350 yard draw. Yeah, and he's like, cow a shallow he puts under the hair.

He tells you how to get shallow. The figure is. Yeah, I was watching. Yeah, when Tiger did that where he put his back to the fairway and hit that, like, hook thing was the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire life. So they had a lot of fun with it. And you got to see, it was basically like you didn't need a tracer. you got to see the ball and how it moved without it.

So it was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, I thought they did a great job. I thought the Under the Lights was an absolute home run. I thought one of the clips, and somebody submitted this in from the gallery to Sean B, whose favorite truly is truly T. He said one of his favorite takeaways was Tiger drawing his putting alignment line on his ball, free hand without any tool helping him during the preview show.

Yeah, talk about a steady hand. I mean, saw that clip. That was just so like precision, free hand. perfect touch. It looks so clean the way that he did it. You got any other human being on earth that does it. Basically, it's like, you know, they lock their head into a contraption to be able to draw that line on there straight and Tiger just free-handed on there. So I love that. He obviously looked a little bit sluggish, if we're being honest with each other. You know, a little dragon of his foot still clearly not 100% even obviously not 100% from pre-accident. But I thought it was very obvious he did have another

a little injury from the, you know, workout planter, ficiitis, whatever the hell we call it, that had him limp in him a little bit more than usual, but he's still able to hit golf shots. He buried the first hole, still playing his little cut, was able to hit that fucking sling and draw, which was fun. So overall, I thought giant success, and I didn't see anything from Tiger that made me think, oh, he's like anything that was a roadblock in my mental progression of Tiger's progression. I think that's fair. I think he proved what he said, which is that, you know,

can hit any shot. It's just the walking that is an issue. It's incredible to me that he's still able to hit the ball like that with what's happened to him. It's just proof that like the guy's a golfing savant. You know, you could put his right hand in a blunder and I think he'd probably find a way to break 80 six months later. Like he can he can just do things that no one else can do with a golf club. Now the walking stuff, it's interesting how he's talking about it because he's like you said, Riggs, you said this on the last podcast or last week at some point. It was, it resonated with me is that Everything Tiger says to the golf media is thought about. It's considered.

He knows exactly the message that he's sending. The message that he's sent over the last couple of weeks is that I've got the golf figured out. Now my now my focus is completely on the walking. And that's, it's sort of exciting. I don't know if he's ever going to figure it out, but the task is very simple. Find a way to walk. Yeah. Tiger Woods can play golf still.

Oh, yeah. I think I took away from it. Tiger Woods at any level, you know, he can play in a tournament. He can play in a major. He's going to be able to hit the golf shots. And I think he proved that he went on national TV. He played with the three best golfers in the planet. He fucking hit really good shots.

Obviously, looked a little sluggish, but he competed, made a birdie on one. I mean, the guy fucking can play golf. Let's just get him to a place where he can get from ball to ball. I'm not going to bring up the carts again. I'm not going to do all these things. I'm just saying if we can figure that out. He's figured out a million different things in his life. He always progresses.

He always adapts. If he can figure this. out somehow. Maybe it just comes to him one night. Oh yeah. It's also our guy Tiger is not a 7 p.m. golfer, right? He's probably up at three in the morning, texting Rory about the workouts that he's doing. And now he's got to wait 17, 15 hours to play golf. We can't. That's just too late in the day for him. So

I like that it's a show and all that, but he's more of a morning tea time guy, maybe a mid-morning when it starts to warm up. It's not freezing still. Kind of guys, body's moving. And then by the time we get to the afternoon. and that puppy starts to shut down. So he's not a nighttime golfer if we're just going by, you know, the schedule that we've come to know from Tigerwood. So all things considered, I thought he did fucking great. He looked good out there.

The Onica clip was fantastic, how genuine and real that was. The chirping afterwards, the video from J.T. and Spieth, where they threw in that little nugget about like, don't worry about it. Nobody can beat us. It was fucking fantastic. So good for them. Good for them. Good win by them.

I had the same embrace with Onica about. the way when I was at the hay. I told you, when I golf with my dad, we were at the hay and I just like hit a shot onto a green and I walk in. And at the hay, obviously, all these, it's the smallest par three course ever at Pebble Beach and all the holes are right next to each other. And one of them that like kind of cross over each other, Anika just like was like, hey.

And I was like, oh shit. Like, hey. And I ran over and her son came over and took a picture with me and I like hugged her. And she's like, everything great. I said, yep. And then we kind of just fucking went on our way. And it was insane. It was lovely.

My dad's like, what the fuck does happen? It's just the best, you know, female golf legend of all that. But she, like, kind of walked over. And I'm like, oh, my God. When I saw Tiger, I was like, you know, I've been there before. I kind of am like Tiger Woods now. A little bit. Her husband gets it.

I think he's pretty plugged into Barstool and Foreplay and the golf scene. He immediately was the one that was like, let's get a photo. And he, like, posted it on, like, her Twitter. It's just like immediate social media. Yeah, I like him. I think he gets it. Like when we saw him down at the, what is it, tournament of champions that we go to the, yeah, he, I think we chatted with him for a little bit.

I remember him being the one from that crew that was like, oh, yeah. Remember we were nervous that there's no chance she remembered us that because we had just interviewed her maybe two weeks prior to that, I feel like. Yeah. And we saw her and we're like, holy shit, there she is. There's no chance she remembers. And she did. So I think she, you know, I think she was very, very, she's like Tiger in that sense where

she keeps everything in check and knows all the names and knows like he's around. do have you guys had an experience very have you guys had an experience where you interviewed someone and then you know a week or two later they just don't remember it all because i had an all-time one any of those come to mind i think brian bumgarner at one point the first time we saw him in real life like kind of didn't really know who is that at tory i think so yes it was at tory he was just like oh yeah too and then obviously he knew exactly i would say my best my best guess is going to be Dustin Johnson. I feel like we do.

We filmed two years ago at Timoram Media Day. We spent an hour with them and he was fucking great. He was using our drone to talk about how he's thinking about getting one for fishing and he was chirping us. We were like, dude, DJ was amazing. And he actually said later in the day he's like, oh, there's a barstool guys again, whatever.

And then like three or four months later, we saw him in a major stood right in front of him. And we're like trying to give the eye contact signs and just fucking nothing from that guy. I had the exact. exact same experience. I went to go do a cover story, a story on him at the Floridian, at his home golf course. And we spent all day together. And I thought he was great. And we chatted, you know, I was talking to Claude doing this whole thing. I write this great story.

What I thought to be a great story, don't think he ever read it. In fact, I know he definitely never read it. And I saw him the next week. I'm going to tell you he didn't read it right now. I know nothing about the situation. And I, yeah, I walked out to him the next week. And, you know, it's literally been like five days. So I'm thinking, all right, this guy definitely knows so I am. So I woke up to him in the flash area. I go, hey, DJ. And he just grunts. He just goes, eh, that was it.

Like a bear. Yeah, it was just, there was nothing there. He was just fully, fully on autopilot for the entire. I don't think that's that surprise. Right. So, yeah, with DJ. It was cool. It was kind of cool.

It was like, you know, five days is short. So you would think that maybe he would. But I'm surprised when someone like Anika or Tiger remembers who people are. Like, if I were them, I would be more like DJ. Not on purpose. Not in a dick. I would, I meet so many people if I were one of these super famous golfers that I would just forget instantly. It's hard. You only have so much memory up there. Yeah. Yeah, you meet a lot of people. It's,

it's fucking shocking. They're able to do that at all. So it is very impressive. And I would say, like the DJ thing should almost be the normal. I'm like, yeah, of course you don't remember people. And then the other way should be extremely impressive. Uh, but overall, great, uh, great success. I saw Phil even put a little, uh, social message out there. He's trying to get a little social favor back. I can tell her he was like, all my, all my versions of the match has been great. I'm really rooting for Tiger and everyone else to have a great experience out there. So I, you know, you think there will there be a time where Phil returns to a normal level of social acceptance? Yes. Yeah, I think people love a winner. People love forgiveness. I mean,

listen, Tiger's been in some, some depths and, and now he's not. So, you know, I don't think Phil. I actually wrote about this in the in the golf the awards post I just went up on borstalsports.com All Phil did was say the quiet part out loud. You know what I mean? Like he didn't we all know that he felt that way. We all knew about you know, about the Saudi stuff. We all, he feels not a dummy.

You know, he knows what's going on in Saudi Arabia. He just said it out loud. I think people are going to be angry. Yeah, but he also like people know that he was behind the scenes literally drawing up the paperwork for all of these deals with those people that he admits are horrific. Yeah, it's true. And then I started to leave other people, including the PGA tour, by being like on Instagram being like these greedy motherfuckers.

Like he didn't just say one quote to Alan Shipnuck. Right. He did a lot of shit. I think people know that. I do think as time goes, the details become less clear and concrete. And in, you know, 10 years, whatever it is, I'm not saying it's going to take that long, but probably certainly in 10 years, people will be like, oh, yeah, he, I don't, he kind of said some things, but I don't. He kind of said some things, but I don't totally remember, but he's Phil. Like, it's fun.

I like Phil. That's what it'll come down to. Do you think in any weird world, the shipnuck stuff actually helped, like, propel, live into this other category where it was even more popular. And even though it was more politicized and, and there was negative connotation to it, do you think, like, since no, no, no bad presses, no, no presses. All press is good press. Any press is good press. No, you got to let him, you got to let him get there on his own. own dad.

Let him get there on his own, man. We would have been here for the next hour. No press is bad press. That's like you wouldn't believe it. All press is good press. But there's got to be the other side of that because I've heard the other side of that as a fucking saying. No. No press is bad press.

Is that a saying? I think it's all press is good press. I think it's no press is bad press is what I think it is. Okay. No press is bad press. So my point being, like, he was. It was just, it was in the news for months and it's just like, what is this lift thing? What did Phil get in trouble for?

Like, had it just been a clean breakoff and no one, there was no bad blood in it, I don't know that it would have the same pop. I, I almost agree with you, but I think the same, like, I think that that moment, that ship duck moment with those quotes, almost propelled it in that it brought it to a very clear, the lowest and shittiest the negative can get so that then they could only. go up from there because there was a lot of like hearsay and people you know of brandle and aim and lynch are throwing some negative stuff out there about it and people are trying to pick up like certain articles and understand certain elements of it and like should i be against this and then it

brought it to like a phil mickleson said these guys are fucking horrible it can't get any like lower or worse and there's no more speculation about it and from there they were able to just kind of be like oh oh he just said it okay all right and then they just were able to go forward from there. Yeah, it's an interesting point. You're right, though, in that the sort of politicization of Live kind of started in that moment and did the, it definitely led to people supporting Liv. There's a tribalism in the live support that I don't know existed before.

That's, that's very similar to politics. Yeah, there are live people out there. There's some live golf rope paths. Yeah, there's, there's live people out there. And if you're a live person, you know, you probably like hate the PGA tour and think that people who like the PGA tour, a bunch of, you know, softies or regressive or monopolist, whatever it is. And you're right that those comments went a long way toward drawing that line in the sand.

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Is Rory's available because, boy, would I like to see his day compared to mine on a regular basis? I feel like it's probably not. It might be a little bit too personal for a guy as high profile as Rory. But boy, would I love to compare my numbers to Rory because they would be drastically different? That is a really good idea. Yeah, I was in a group with Brock Nelson and he used to send me seeing if I was still alive. Like the number of changes, the HRV and stuff was insane. He's like, dude, is that what a normal person looks like?

He felt like a superhero comparison. No, it's bad. For people that live kind of a lifestyle, like a lot of folks that I'm friends with where it's like, yeah, Monday through Thursday or so, you know, pretty normal, like, decent. And then like you throw a couple benders in there. You even like on a Tuesday night, the blues are playing and we all going to go out the game. And you look at this thing, dude, the recovery is. is laughable. I'm showing you this. It's like green, green, even yellow is fine. And then this red here is, and if you could see this one I sent, uh, my buddies from the other day of when my pals were in town versus the second that they left. The, uh, oh yeah, look at this puppy. I'm going to show this to you guys right now. That is just, you're down. You're down. Yeah, that's clear. That's well. The buddies are in town and you're drinking and playing golf every day and how. And how. And,

having laughs and staying out later than you should. And then you're just fine and great for three days. So whoop.com, go check them out. That's w-h-o-op.com. Now through December 18th, you save 20% off on their 12 and 24-month memberships. That's whoop.com. Go check them out. Big thing that stood out to me when I thought about this whole last year

in the rap, which people should go read, barstoresport.com, was how long ago even Scotty Sheffler winning four out of six tournaments in a row. That feels forever ago, four ever ago. And that was what, eight, seven, eight months ago that he won four out of six times, including the master's tournament. I can't wrap my arms around time anymore. Time is, it freaks me out. I don't know what it happened, but yeah, things that like when we talked about last show or whenever that was, when we talked about walking on the fairway with tiger, that felt like a year and a half, two years ago when it was six months ago. It's, yeah, it's just, there's been a lot of things that have happened

in this year in golf, in particular. killer. Fucking wild. Fucking wild. We got P&C this weekend, so we'll get to see Tiger and Charlie again. I believe Charlie's going to be totally different golfer. I think that's pretty clear. He's just going to be bombing the ball. The first time we ever saw him, he was the cute little guy in the purple who made his first eagle and he hit that three wood from like 200 yards to six feet and made it.

And they were, Tiger was high five and I'm hugging him. Now he's going to be closer to just an adult that hits the ball like 300 yards. And yeah, that's going to be shocking, I think. You grow fast at that age. You just start. You just, you become an, if you're going to be an athlete, you become like, this is what you're going to be as an athlete. And I'm, I'm very curious to see how far he hits the ball.

Nothing changes in a year at this point in our age. Nothing. My, my, my, dad, maybe a little fatter and like sloppier. And everything else is just the same. It's so much the same. Things are going the other way. I'm losing hair. I'm getting fatter.

Like, my body has, has decided that, like, We hit our peak like 15 years ago and it's been a downslide since then. He's at the age where it's like he's going to be able to do things that he's never been able to do before on the golf course. Do we think that he already has offers or do they not even have like his, you know, Stanford, Oklahoma. I guess is it that's 14, 13. I think he's 14 maybe. But like if you're Stanford golf, I mean, you do that in soccer. Isn't that a thing in soccer where they get guys and like when they're 12 years to like academy?

I went baseball. You get the Dominican Republic kids. The Yankees had, like, guys when they were, like, 14 years old and you waited for five or six years. And you, like, hear stories about them, like, hitting 600-foot home runs in the Dominican Republic. You're like, what the hell is happening? Tiger would steer him the Stanford route, but he's his own man. He can do every once. Dude, I was doing the annual, or every, I guess, four years, Wikipedia of Leo Messi, and we'll get into the World Cup stuff.

But they did that with him. I mean, he moved to Barcelona and was part of Barcelona when he was, like, Charlie Woods's age, basically. They had to pay for his growth hormone. And then like four years later, he plays for Barcelona or for Barcelona for the first time. So it's like, though. So yeah, they, they do that in soccer big time.

Messi was like an anemically small child and Barcelona like paid for medical treatment and stuff. It was like a deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. I mean, now I got to check to make sure that that's legit, but I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

That seems that seems a big deal. Let's see. It'd be like tiger pumping Charlie full of anabolic steroids right now and being like, big deal. Also, just no way he made that up. Like you can't, that's the more outrageous story to just like,

however, his features of professional player was threatened when age 10, he was diagnosed with a growth hormone deficiency. As his father's health insurance covered only two years of growth hormone treatment, which cost at least a thousand dollars per month. New, oh, his Argentinian club agreed to contribute,

but later reneged on their promise. Yep, he did it. Yeah, he completed it age 14 while at Barcelona. So he had a disease, you're saying? Some sort of deficiency, I guess, yeah. I went through that when I was younger. They're like, this kid might need to go on some, like, hormone boosters because he's a fucking tiny little fella.

And they didn't do it? He's just skinny. He's still, though. Leo Messi is still like five, five, six or something, right? Yeah, he's not a big. Still a little guy, but, uh, yeah, Charlie Woods would be very fun. P and C the whole weekend coming up. They just play Saturday, Sunday, I believe.

So, uh, so don't get freaked out when they're not on on Thursday yet. But must watch stuff, always phenomenal clips. The mannerisms will probably get resurfaced. I'm sure they'll come out in the same outfit every time, except I think Charlie's just going to look like an adult, which should be very cool. Taking on the dailies. We'll see if that,

if that rain comes to an end. The dailies are a problem. And the thomas is one last year. I thought the Duval's one last year. Daly's won last year. I think Thomas has won two years ago. That's right. And Duvall is the,

uh, his son just wanted AJGA by like four shots. So he's a player. Yeah, I don't like, I don't like when they have, have the other couple other guys whose sons are like also in there stealing some of the high like like uh, Matt Coocher and his fucking kid.

It's like I mean, this is about Charlie Woods. Right. Well, it's it's about. I mean, it's about the Daly's in the woods. That's who it's about. Yeah. This should be the daily and woods.

And the Thomas is it's like how it's nice having just J. Yeah. But that was father's son that his dad's fucking 70. That's fine. I'm saying when they get like, uh, when you get, when you get, um, Tim Coacher, whatever the kid's name is out there. And he's like flaunting his stuff too. It's like, I'm here to watch Charlie twirl and do all that.

You know what I mean? That's what I'm here for. I think that's a little annoying. Is that cocky kid playing it? I was just trying to think of that name. And I completely. Stenson, Stets. The Sinks.

The Sinks. The Sinks. The Stewart Sink and his, his smiling, catty son, do they fucking, do they play in that thing? I think they do. Yeah, Reagan Sink. I thought you guys were talking about Hendricks. Hendonix Sensen's definitely not invited back, but Henrik Stenson's son, remember last year? He was like, he was a machine that guy.

He was trying to take Charlie Stunder a little bit. He was hilarious. He's like, my dad sucks. I don't know why he sucks so much. That was funny. I always say Reagan Sink just has that. He's just got like, he's got a look to him sometimes. You know what I mean?

He's just like, we're better than you type of look. But I've gotten DMs from his like old teammates saying he's actually the nicest kid of all time. Yeah, this is one of those things where you're making assessments on a guy you haven't met, which is we've done in the past, and it's no big deal. And then when we finally meet them, I'm sure he'll be a great guy. But he does.

He does have a swagger to him. Look, I'm saying even about the coocher's kid, I'm sure he's nicest kid in the world. I have no negative towards him. It's all about the production crew. I don't want to see him. I just want to see Charlie Wood. That's pretty much all I want. Because then when you start panning for one to the other, it makes Charlie seem less

amazing. I don't want any of that. I want to be in the full hype train for the woods for two days. and then we can go back to normal golf. We only get him like four days of the fucking year. That's all I want to see. We talk a lot about Charlie and the expectations they're going to be put on him and how it's not fair, but they're going to be there.

And, you know, they're already starting to be there when he's growing up now. I don't think we talk enough about John Daly's son and the expectations that he has. They're like a party setting, you're saying? To a degree, yeah. Like there's all package, full package. John Daly just sucks at beer pong. I would, I would. I would advise him to just.

not even try to live up to that part of it because there's going to be that pressure john daly's entire persona he won a couple majors but outside of that his entire persona is like i get drunk i smoke cigarettes i drink diet coax i gamble i go crazy those are dangerous things to put into a 18 year old head so i would just advise a little young john daly to just like be john daily hit it a mile and like don't try to be don't try to live up to the off the course expectations would be my advice yeah him being known as little john daily for the first 15 years of his life probably probably didn't help that cause he's going to college now you're just like all right man he's going to arkansas like you're going to be your royalty just don't don't don't do anything too crazy

within the last couple years didn't they say that like they were requested to not say little john john yeah yeah yeah but i i get that i get that you don't want to be known as little john or little a I mean, I get that. In a way, those expectations are that are bigger than the ones that Charlie faces, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. Big time. It feels like Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider movie, just like him being little John Daly's son and like,

don't make the same mistakes dad he did as he's like drinking a fucking Budweiser. He's like, don't come home. Daddy's drunk. It reminds me a towel dig of nights. Yes. Yes. That's the father's son situation I see in that scenario. So John Daly Jr.

Is that his name? Officially I think it's junior or the second, something like that. You do really put the expectations game on them when you name him, John Daly, you know, it's like that doesn't. Yeah, LeBron James said that like one of his biggest regrets in life is giving his first born son his name. Yeah. insane. He is like, he like, like, I mean, Dave makes this argument all the time.

He says that now, even after like he's on, he like posts him dunking in like high school and shit. He clearly wants him to be the next Lebron. James. Like as Ron James wants LeBron James Jr. to be like the next biggest thing. As Frank Borelli the third, do you feel the weight of your father's expectations on you? For sure.

It's good question. 100%. He's just, he's insane. Do you really? You don't really do. At the restaurant all the time and you're just, what are you doing right now? I mean, like, I think that he's, he's so, oh, by the way, you know how this new iPhone

update? Like, you just are always hitting that little button where like you just start talk texting into the message that happened to you guys. Yeah. You look down. you have a whole fucking, you have a whole essay written out to someone

because she's been recording you. Yeah. No, I think my dad is so nice that it covers like me having to be nice. It's actually like the opposite. Like he like I don't even have. That's nice. No one expects it.

No one expects me to be anything like him because it's like impossible. Oh, Jake Bass pointed out also that John Daly signing the Hooters deal with his dad was also a choice. I'm just saying we got to look out for this kid. We got to like make sure. Because those expect, The party expectations are crazy. Yeah, that guy shows up to a frat party and all eyes are on him.

Right. There's a lot that comes along with that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm not going to make a joke about it. I'm not going to make a joke about it. Okay. Don't. We'll move on. All right.

We'll move on. We'll move on. Okay. QBE shootout. Our boy. Our boy. So I hit the gala and Tom Hogi get their W. I don't think this is anything official.

Is this kind of what I asked. I texted him last night. I said, congrats my man. I got to be dialed on the pod tomorrow. So is this the first victory? What's the official word? Can't be. Thanks, guy. No. But it's nice to get a little tease. Makes me so effing hungry to get a real W. So there you go. I was thinking about that. I mean, it's good to win one. It's always good to win no matter what you're participating in. But for a guy like him in a situation who's got an incredibly bright future in front of him, a lot of wins to go.

You can't count this one as your first. Yeah, I was expecting an answer like that. It was nice to see. You know, it was nice to get caught up in the emotions and say, you know what? Like, Steve Williams,

after winning the bridge stone with Adam Scott, where he said it's the greatest win in my career. Yeah, it's just a nice to see that he kept his perspective there. That was awesome when he said that. That was fantastic. This one right here, there's not a single other victory that matches this W right here.

It's like, I don't even remember it. They just ignored it. I don't think they interviewed Adam Scott. They just interviewed Steve Williams. and he was like, this is the biggest win of my career. It's not even close. Did I see that Stevie Williams is back?

Am I wrong about that? Yeah, he's doing part-time for Adam Scott again. That's right. All right. All right. Tiger, his ability, he's got a lot of great ones, golf in particular, but his ability to completely cut a person out and then never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, talk to them ever again is right up there with his golfing ability.

I would say. Yeah, it's phenomenal. He's about as good as it gets at that. I mean, it's not like people making money off his name. So when Steve went and ran his mouth and all that stuff and Hank Annie, he wrote that book, he, he was not playing. I mean, I thought, remember the, um, the, the, the clubs that sold for like six million bucks or something a couple months ago? And, you know, the story was that he gave it to one of the club reps at Nike as like a gift for working on his clubs and that guy turned around and sold it. I mean, wow. I'd love to interview. I'd love to know Tiger's views on that guy. Yeah. I mean, that's a no brave.

If you really sold for six million, that's what's a no brainer. Yeah. Who like, oh, I'm out of Tiger. What did, what did being in Tiger Circle do for him financially? That's like that Twitter question always goes around. Would you take $500,000 or dinner with Jay-Z? Would you sell Tiger Woods's clubs for $6 million or still be able to talk to him about the weather? It's like, he's not responding to your text. It's not like you're actually friends. Right.

Right. No, dude. I sell that thing so fast and make your head spin. Yeah. Yeah, you just gave away your whole, you gave away every possession that you own for the Black Friday. Yeah. I actually said that out.

I sell a couple more t-shirts. Those fucking things that, let me tell you something about shipping costs. I mean, that cost me $680 to ship out. Amazing. Dude, that big golf bag was a fucking night. It was 390.

dollars alone and then I had these fucking so like because it was like a specialty box to put the wedge in it's like a triangular fucking box that was like a hundred bucks I'm like what's I looked at the guy right now what's happening right now why why is this and then we couldn't even fit the we couldn't fit the the bag from tailor made in a regular box so like the guy looked at me goes there is no options here I can't ship this I'm like well obviously you have to ship it somehow like you're fucking FedEx they ship cars bro You can ship this comment. So this lady, I called her like the angel of FedEx.

She just walked in like the little fucking bell rang. And she goes, why don't you put it in a box and then put the same size box on top of it and then tape around where it connects? And he's like, yep, that'll work. And she just left. She didn't do anything except to do that. She literally didn't drop off anything. It was crazy. She literally walked in, gave us a suggestion and left.

It was nuts. Yeah, that was an adult angel. She is your angel. So yeah, they're getting their shit. Hopefully they like it. Yeah, you got to be at that point. you're like, dude, I don't care if this stuff gets there after the master's. Just you got to ship this for less money.

That's just what I need here. Dude, yeah, I shipped the bag to like Missouri or something. He's like, this is going to cost. He looked at me, he goes, this is going to be a lot when I hit Edger. Because he's like, it's going to be a lot. It's going to be, it's a heavy bag. We use multiple boxes. It's just, there's no way around this right now.

I love the Nelly Corta clip from Kiz and Max just praising the fuck out of her game. which makes a lot of sense. We've brought her up on the show a good amount. Anytime a big LPGA event comes up and she's in the mix and you get to actually see her play a good amount. She just has what appears to be the most aesthetically perfect golf swing and the most, nothing could really possibly go wrong golf swing I've ever seen. And when she's on and she's playing well what she was, it's just fairway dart, fairway dart that clip from yesterday where they're playing like a 485 yard par 4 so she's got a hybrid

in to like a back right pin and just hits this with i didn't see the actual ball fight but it had to be just this cut hybrid that lips out and goes to like a foot and so those two going back and forth kids and max just laughing at how phenomenal she is and being like it must be a testament to how good the LBGA tour actually is that this young woman doesn't win every event by 20 shots because she's fucking unbelievable. So that made me very much believe that even that clip alone made me be like, okay, they're going to make sure they do more or they do some mixed events going forward because that right there was just like instant, instant, you know, vindication of the women's game was was really, really cool

to see. It's a precision game. You know, it's, it's a different, it's, in some ways, it's more relatable for people because they're not, even, you know, Nelly hits it far, but, you know, the average driving it's on the PJ Tour is like 265 or something. You know, it's not like these, it's not like they're hitting at 320. And so the average viewer can actually pick up more things watching women's golf than watching men's golf. You're never going to be able to hit the ball like Rory McElroy. You know, you're never going to be able to fly bunkers that are 320. But these women and their tempo and their precision is, is really something special to watch.

They tear apart golf courses. It's so, it's the same shot every single time. And it's throwback. It's like back in the days when accuracy was the most important thing in golf and these women are just deadly, deadly accurate. Yeah, she's sick. She's just fucking sick. So I remember her clip from last year from the PNC with Tiger that like that made

me think of that when they're starting to get in the mix a little bit more. So hopefully more that occurs because I do think that's going to be one of the key, one of the only ways to really elevate the profile of the women's game is you get them in the mix more with the men because clearly the biggest superstars, the ratings, all that. If you get them in the mix more with the men, you get those clips like those two guys talking about her. It's going to get more awareness and people are going to go, holy fuck, I got to watch more of this because these women are unbelievable. So I thought that was really, really cool.

And they got to keep them from going to, I mean, there's a lot, a lot of chatter about a women's live league or at least some sort of series. Yeah. And they already have the Aramco thing, which is part of the ladies European tour, which is those are like the richest tournaments in women's golf. So, you know, the Saudis taking over women's golf would be a lot cheaper than taking over men's golf. So it's in the vested interest of the PGA tour now to get them more, more closely in the fold. That'd be good. That'd be a good little outcome here.

I'd like to see that. So, yeah, thought that was awesome. That always fucking unbelievable. Her swing's great. If you're bored, just go look sometimes. Go through her Instagram and just her different. She posts a bunch of down the line swing videos. And it will inspire you to be like, she makes it look really fucking easy.

Obviously, it's not. She makes just swinging a club perfectly look like you could do it, even though you absolutely can't. And it's just fun to watch her swing. So I thought that was really, really cool. Home, which we discussed on this show actually later on, home should be where you and your friends and family feel safest, especially over the holidays this season. Give yourself and your family the gift of peace and protection with the number one rated home security system simply safe. And right now, SimplySafe is offering 40% off a new security system. Sounds like they want to go out of business.

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I put a place to wager when they, when Brazil went down. on Argentina to win. I think plus 360 I got him at. I get pretty caught up in the messy hoopla every time. And he's essentially the greatest player of all time, maybe the best way to solidify that whole thing. The only way to really solidify it forever and put it to fucking rest,

you win the World Cup. It's obviously not easy to do. I think we went through it. It's only like eight nations in history of won the World Cup. So clearly not easy to do. They lost in the final. What was that? Eight years ago.

or so, been close a few different times. But now we're in the point where they got fucking Croatia in the next match because Brazil went down. So they really are just two wins away. They'll probably have to beat France in the final. But you can't really have a much easier road. Plus they've got what appears to be some other fucking young studs in there. So Messi doesn't have to carry all the load.

But regardless, I'm a messy guy. I love that little motherfucker running around the pitch out there, how skilled he is. That through ball that he had for the first goal in the last game. was so unbelievably sick, kicked it through the other defender's legs. Awesome. So I'm all in on the messy train. Plus, Argentina, as good of a uniform as I've ever seen in any sport. Classic.

It's so fucking good. So, yeah, I'm all in on the Argentina train. And the World Cup, once you get to this stage of the World Cup, the games are so fucking intense. So I've been very into it. I'm all in on Argentina. Yeah, as someone that doesn't watch at all, and even barely watches when it's on. So every four years and then when it's on every TV,

I still barely pay attention to it. I did get into the England game because I placed a wager on England to win that game. And that really set me off for the rest of the day. Like Harry Kane, I don't know much about him. I know that he got them there. I know he's a Tottenham spur, right? So he's a Dave guy. Holy shit, dude.

Like you just, when you have that penalty kick at the end of the game, you have to make it. I don't care what you've done to get your. team there. It's just tough. I couldn't, I could, I barely got through the rest of that night, because it's just, you have to fucking score there. It's, it's cruel because he's been so great for them for so long. And that's probably going to be the enduring memory. Is it like, um, T.J. Oshy in the, in the, in the Olympics where you just send anyone out. Yeah, you can choose anyone. If it's, yeah, you can choose anyone on the field. He made the first one. He made the first one. That was their

second penalty. That's even worse. No one's going to remember that. No one's going to remember that. Because I remember in hockey, we had multiple, there's different tournaments, I think, would have different rules on that. So it could either be, depending on the type of penalty shot that was called, you could either pick anyone or it had to be the person that got pulled down. And there were a few different instances growing up over the five or six year stretch, whatever, where you would get the, somebody else would get hauled down on a breakway. And they would be like, no. And then they would have me take it. And that was always like, dude, that is the most nerve-wracking thing because you're stealing someone else's fucking penalty shot.

And if you don't score, you're a double asshole, basically. Dude, it was funny. We were at this bar watching the, uh, watching the game. And the, it was for one of our friends's birthday parties. And they had like a theme where it was like you had to dress up in 90s theme or something like that. I didn't do it. Unfortunately, I love dressing up.

I just didn't dress up. But all these girls were, um, they were the spice girls. So it was like five of them dressed up the spice girls. And they chose which picture they wanted to kind of replicate. And the picture they chose one of the girls wore a British flag dress essentially is what it was. So now we're all at this bar. And it's like a private party.

But you have to like walk through a very crowded. I'm talking like it was stumble in in the city. So like well, very crowded bar. During the England game, she walks in wearing an England British flag dress. and now like ever so she's mortified that every single person's looking at her thinks she's just a diehard she not know that that game was going to be oh like no like no one even thought about it like I said we barely even knew the game was on that's a mess and then we're walking through and people are like oh shit like english people are going up there like picking her up

like what the fuck's going on and then like she had to kind of like like fake it like when they lost she had to be like devastated you're wearing the flag like oh it's like her hair she's just walking around all night. Try and talk with an accent the whole time. But yeah, it was very, very funny. It was, it was, it was, it feel like, it felt like something out of like a, um, a stupid daytime comedy show on like Fox. Like you show up to the bar in a flag suit and you're just like, oh, the game's like how I met her mother. That's like big bang theory. Yeah. No, no, no. Well, no, big bang theory. Much smarter, much higher brow. But I will say I'm, I'm, the most American thing I do is completely forget about the World Cup once America gets eliminated. I don't care. I was at the, I was at the kingdom while this was going on and they had a

TV on the game and I was with Trotty and everybody there was super into it. And I was just like, yeah, I don't know. Like obviously the games are big and they mean a lot, but for whatever reason, I'm just like, you know, Harry Kane missed it. That means nothing to me. I get into it, man. At this stage, it just means so much to like. Gambling is the entry point. Gambly, you've got the plus 360, Frankie had England. Like, I should throw some money on one of these teams because otherwise I can't even pretend to care. I think the underdogs are so charming in the World Cup.

Like Morocco, you know, beating Portugal to get to the semis. And it's got like the colonial undertones of like these European countries just pillage these nations for a long time. And then they, I mean, it's not payback, but it's, you're rooting for them like it is payback. First African country to ever make it to the semis. I mean, they were going nuts in the stands. you just know and then those videos rigs you were posting some of them about like the streets in

Croatia after they beat Brazil was just full fireworks on a Friday night on like the main streets I don't know what it says about me but I'm the other way I like when the favorites and this just crush a little oh my gosh you know heartless fucking great dude when like when they're just supposed to win and they got all this pressure coming from their country that's a big soccer country and they just crush them like they're supposed to I fucking love it's very Brooklyn dirtbag. to root for Morocco over Ronaldo. I was like, you just root for Ronaldo. I was rooting for Brazil.

I was root for Argentina. I was in the once Brazil lost, that's when I placed the bet. But you also get like, I think it's like the Tom Rinaldi essays that they'll do on like messy and like the missing piece. And I'm like, let's go.

It just gets me fired up. So yeah, I root for that. Like, dude, Brazil like when they showed, when they had that. camera right in Namar's face while he was just lying on the middle of the pitch with his jersey over his head knowing like this moment will just be like this last five minutes just changed

my career forever in a devastating way that I don't like that I don't like that and then it's like if they would have just destroyed Croatia nobody would care like Croatia would be like yeah we're not supposed to win whatever so I whatever reason in those I'm rooting for the good guys like not the good guys. I'm rooting for the favorites who are just better because I think that I don't know, I don't know why. I just root for them. So at this point, I'm happy that they obviously lost so that I think Argentina and Croatia just won't go away. They keep fucking scoring late goals, whatever. But I'm rooting for Argentina. I also am a huge penalty kicks guy, PK's guy. I know Dan, you're really against them. I think that's crazy. I think PKs are, they're just a no-brainer,

really. They're like the only answer. And I think it just delivers every fucking time. I think PKs are phenomenal. Yeah, it's definitely. My buddy, Big Rob has had a famous debate with our friends that he could save seven out of 10 PKs against my friend Tom. And like, we've always just been like, you're not even, it's actually the other way around. Like it wouldn't even be close.

It's not even close. What is the, I think we set the over under at like five and a half for one of these bachelor parties we go on and Big Rob thinks that he could do it. He's like 60%. It's like 80%. That was going to be my question. Take one of these leagues. What's the success rate?

It's 80%. But it drops. It actually drops. So it actually drops considerably in a shootout. You're much more likely to make it in the run of play than you are during a shootout because of all the pressure and the goalie has all the notes and they can check before. Yeah, that makes sense. I also think if you're just an amateur, like, if you're just like one of my buddies that are going to go shoot on Big Rob, I think the only time that they would miss is like when you miss the net. Like you would just like miss it wide or high.

Like I don't think it could save any. Dude, that goalie, the Croatian goalie made a couple in the Argentina goalie, both like really good saves. Well, those golies are insane. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, true. Your buddy's not. Like they're reading the hips and shit. They're fucking diving all over the place.

I, uh, I, so for me, it's like, I don't even know what the other option would be other than PK. Like, that's just the only way. Soccer's not a sport where they could just play it forever. It's not like hockey where you change lines every 30 seconds,

45 seconds, so you can then theory keep going, going, going five overtimes. Like, they're out there and they're going to have to run the whole time. So it's like, you can't have them running around.

Soccer's a low scoring affair. They would have to just run around for four hours straight and just play one one game. You can't do that. So you have to have some kind of ending. And it's not like PKs are some bullshit like they're not doing a high jump contest. The whole point of soccer is to kick the ball into the net. So PKs are who could kick the ball into the net more than the other team. I think that's just like, I think it's a very legitimate. What if they did NHL overtime? What if they did NHL overtime and said like five on five for like the more. The more tired field get it. The more tired people get in soccer, the more goals there are because the game opens up and

the defenders get tired and they get lazy. I'd like to see like a lot of like small like a small amount of players on that big field. I just think it's like once they tied the game, that would be electric. Next goal wins. Like when you're when Brazil you played a whole game, okay, we couldn't decide a winner. The next team that scores wins the game. So Brazil scores. I don't think that's a big solution to like PKs because I think you're still going to get games that would go forever without anybody scoring. Yeah, there would be. But I think there'd have to be some sort of like, okay, now we're, we're taking a player off on each side or something like that where it would have to be, I just think the game should end with a goal in the run of play as opposed to

this arbitrary competition that is kind of similar to, you know, it's the joke that people make, but ending the Masters with a six footer content, it's just not, it's not the whole part of the game. It's just a very strange thing that someone created. But it is a big part of the game. Like Harry Kane missed one in the run of play. That's the exact same thing. And that costs them like their World Cup life. Like, it's a very big part of the game. it's definitely a big part of the game and I can't argue as far as drama if we're trying to just provide drama there's there's very few things that are as dramatic as a penalty shootout in the world cup I just plus you're like taking like the in my opinion you're taking like the key skill which is fucking scoring and then trying to stop the other guy from scoring and you're magnifying it under the most intense pressure and it's who can fucking handle it and it's not just one because I think one would be fluky but it's like we're going to give you five we're going to take a little bit of the variance out and you got to go up there with your five best guys you got to see who fucking scores more goals under the most intense pressure i think it's fucking awesome do you make

the same argument for hockey i hate the n hl shootout because it's like not the game they play it's like all of a sudden you take away all the strategy and defense and getting the puck deep and moving the puck and all of a sudden it's just like can patrick kane score against the backup goalie tonight one-on-one's like yeah i think that's better than just saying games over no i think there's sometimes where i think I would like to go back to just getting like both teams just get one point. And I think that'd make it for better standings, um, arguments and all that stuff. Like you just don't deserve that extra point against the teams that won in regulation. You know what I mean?

I hate that. But I would love to just see three on three just extended to 10 minutes. I think every game would end. Yeah, that would probably be a better way to do it. I hadn't thought like in soccer of if you did pull people off the field, but I, I don't know, like would people consider that more Mickey Mousey than P.Ks? or would they because because in hockey like that is a little bit like three on three is a little it's a little ridiculous it's like you you don't have any chance to recover it's like you go down

you get a chance and then if you don't score basically they go down on like a two on one the other way and so it's a little in my opinion it's a little bit ridiculous still are going down on a goalie like on a breakaway but like you have the chance to maybe play some defense for like that second I understand like it's end on in but it's like it's just better than the shoot out There is no defender. No, I agree. I think hockey and hockey play. Hockey, there's generally more scoring, obviously,

like the fucking over under every game is six or six and a half. And the over under every game in the soccer is two or two and a half. So my issue with, I think PKs being like almost the only answer is just that like it's a very low scoring affair. And they could just play forever. And you can't change players. Like you can't take somebody off and rest them and put them out.

They would add more subs for. But like if Argentina, I mean, if Netherlands was just part in the bus. And then you can't, and the fundamental part of the game is you can't, you can't have soccer just go for five overtimes. Like you can in hockey. That's happened in the NHL. It's part of the game.

It occurs. Baseball, there's a lot more scoring. So you can have them go a couple more innings because it's very unlikely that they're going to continue to tie into for hours and hours. Like somebody usually scores, there's more runs. And soccer, like I was saying, you can't really take people off. So you can't rest. You couldn't rest messy at all. He just has to run around for four hours straight.

It's unrealistic. So clearly what they came up. up with, I think, is obviously, it's PKs. Yeah, I mean, maybe you could do something where you take a couple guys off. Every two minutes, a player comes off from each side. Since it's a running clock, they just remove them from a field and then we get down to one v1 if it gets down to there. And that would be just insane. Imagine that big field and like one v1, like the guy just breaks away and he's running the full length of the field with a guy behind him chasing him. He's so insane. I mean, I understand what you're saying that it's not going to end. I just think this was more

in the sense of like, I felt like Brazil should, I mean, you score in overtime, it feels to me like the game should be over. But then you're the best team in the world, and you're playing a team that's way worse than you, and all you have to do is make them not score for 10 minutes, and they couldn't do that.

Like, that's how you win. You can say that all you got to do is you don't win in regulation. Right, but you don't win. But my point, that is like, you don't win by just being like, oh, we got screwed. They, like, made us play more against this team. that were better than like that's if anything that longer thing over a million games them playing longer would help Brazil not hurt Brazil so it's like you're using one thing like that that that

format would help Brazil in a case that like most likely Croatia is going to score on a flukier thing and have to like hold on yeah and that one instance you can't apply to like the entire format of the whole tournament I just I don't want to win they just got to keep a team that's way worse than them from not scoring for 10 minutes and they hadn't scored all night. I don't like how it looms in the in the background as sort of like an escape hatch for the worst team. It felt like Netherlands was just parking the bus because they knew that they had the penalties at the end and then the penalties are basically a crapshoot. I just feel like I think you overestimate the crapshoot too. Like you got to go out and fucking like that's,

you know that's the game. They practiced them all the time. They practiced it relentlessly. They have all the notes on everybody. Like they know that an enormous percentage of World Cup elimination games come down to PKs. Every team knows that. They don't get like blindsided by it. And they're like, oh, fuck, this is going to be a roll of the dice. With like 15 minutes left in overtime, they're subbing guys out preparing for the PK because they know that's a huge part of the game.