Fore Play - UNITED STATES TEAM GOLF IS IN CRISIS

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

United States team golf desperately needs a win at next week's Presidents Cup as Team USA falls to Europe in The Solheim Cup. We react to another team loss for America and why it just seems like Europeans putt better. Plus, Shane Lowry wins the Irish Open & the chilling news that ai might be coming for our lives.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Fantastic show today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a little bit of a crisis on the American team golf front. We have lost three big team events in a row coming off the Solheim Cup. So on the Superhine Cup was great, so we talk a lot about that. And then the President's Cup coming up. We've got our very own Kevin Gisner playing on the PGA tour this week. We've got AI alarm bells going.

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Broke 100. Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. We appreciate it. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99.

And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won $90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What do you guys take this? It ain't a hobby. For Play. sports. It is mid-September. We are back. We actually have the entire crew this time for now. We have

Trent Ryan is sitting basically in a parking lot with just a very thin door between himself and parking spaces out in the Hamptons, which he's going to showcase here right now. We had Kevin Kisner in the car in the last show and we decided, he decided, nope, it's just better with that. And we had Alistair Dockery, great show. But we do have the entire gang. We're back. We've got quite a bit to talk about. It is team golf season. The United States of America has a whole. whole might be in peril with several Ls in a row that we're going to get to. We have Kevin Kisner playing in a second PGA tour event of the season this week. It's very weak in Asheville, North Carolina.

So we're going to get to that. Football is back. We got Breaking 85 is back. And the main story that I would like to get to before we, or right after we go through some administrative stuff, is that AI is going to kill us all in the next couple of years. So none of it matters anyway. So we're going to get to a lot of that.

I'd like to begin with a little administrative notes, the whole in one event. I'm not sure if we still have tickets available or if that sold out right away, but go check that out. You can still, I'm sure, get spectator of tickets no matter what. So I think we do around $100 for full ticket where you participate in around $40 or $50 for tickets to just come and spectator. I remember at the Players' Championship. A bunch of folks came and did that down at the yard, just bought tickets, had drinks,

had some really nice hors d'oeuvres hung out. And then we kind of threw people out there at the end. A couple folks that maybe didn't buy it and to take 60 seconds worth of swing. So check out the whole on one event. We're going to be at the President's Cup for pretty much most of the entire week. Kids is going to be there, you know, working all over the place. So check out the whole and one event. And then on the YouTube front, we've got Breaking 85 back this week from Woodlock.

Is that what we're looking at? Yes, it is. Yeah, Frankie and I went back to Woodlock. We had played there a year ago. It's a great spot. Frankie's been going there a lot since he was a kid. I know he started going there again as an adult with Frankie boy. Just a great location.

It's like a couple hours out of the city and you just go up there, a great spa. One of the great spas in the country. It's just a very nice, relaxing place to go. And they've got a great golf course. And the last time we were there, I shot a 41 on the front. So it's a place that I can play well at. And yeah, we tried to break 85 again. It was really fun.

I just really like that place. It's a very relaxing sort of chill spot that we go and visit and play golf. And the break 85 episode is a good one. Also, yeah, they just got a great staff there. It's very much like just a family up there. And obviously a family owns it like the woodlock hole like crew has been there forever. But there's just something about it that when you get there, the team that we work with, John and Rory, they're just so appreciative of us just like being on their property and

and showing off what they have. And it's one of those places that, yeah, it's a really just special location. And they're actually building this new facility. And they were telling us a story about it. But I saw I come across my desk a couple weeks ago. They're building this outrageous on that, you know,

they have these little like lakes and ponds and stuff. And they have, they have this property getting built. And I'm like, wow, what is this? Are you guys building another spa? And what it was is, what it is is a it's like a cancer retreat for people that want to basically just live out their days in and do the things that they want to do with their family.

Right. So it's like they're going to bring people there with a charity called for Pete's sake. And there's a whole story behind it. But they're basically going to host these families and they're going to give them the time of their lives. They're going to let them do whatever they want. They're going to go over. They're going to do all the activities on the other side of Woodlock. But then they're going to come back and they're going to have a five-star resort.

All you can eat. All you can drink. All this stuff. It's just going to be like completely set out for them because they've been doing that already. They've been hosting all of these families, basically knocking things off of their bucket list. And now they're dedicating an actual resort to it. And it's going to be the first of its kind. And it's like, it's really, it's a moving story.

And the reason they're doing it's because one of the family members of the Woodlock family actually had like a diagnosis that was like you know you're only going to last six months or whatever it was and now it's been 25 years that he's been around and just like absolutely thriving and and he wanted to be able to give back and there's a million stories of like people going to woodlock and and they're being this place that like they found so much peace and just tranquility and family and it's just it's the ultimate spot for that so I'm probably butchering exactly what that story is and what that facility is going to be but I think uh it just gives you You do a good job.

You do a good job. It's really an amazing spot. And on top of all that, on top of all that, an all time world class golf course. So we do breaking 85 and it's a hell of an episode. Trent Ryan's playing some golf. I don't know what the hell kids did to him up in the mountains, but he is stroking the golf ball and he is rolling the rock, dude. These puts are real.

They're real puts. We've got a chance every time he rolls the rock. And we had to do another FaceTime ruling on this break in 85 as well. This is like three videos in a row on our YouTube channel that I've looked down at my phone, not knowing anybody was filming and saw FaceTime from one of you three. So this is starting to be a trend here. We're getting a lot of rulings after people think I'm a professional rules official, which I'm not.

But I did nail this one for Frank. This one was really important. And it was obviously an easy rules discussion. I knew the answer to this. I just wanted to make sure when you're doing. something as big as breaking 85 and every single stroke count you have to go by the book i'll tell people what it was essentially i hit one onto the green trent was on the on the uh fringe and he put one or was it a chip no it was a chip so he chipped on and it had some heat on it i didn't mark my

ball yet and it just blasted my golf ball and stayed to like six feet from the stick mine went flying so we're like hold on like i'm pretty sure you get to leave your ball there and i just move mine back but that's like a cheat code right there because that thing was going to be in the bunker we're making a seven now we've got to put for par so we we face time kevin kisner and it was a big moment and then my son was in the truck rigs and we hung up and he goes dad was that scottie sheffler playing with trent okay all right frankie let's go that's a nice well fortunately he didn't see me swing a golf close it's not like he thought that he just thought like my face was scottie shephler but you know that is uh you know that exactly that exactly that is uh you know that exactly

exact situation has driven many a golf Twitter account owners insane over the last six or seven years of backstopping and them just losing their minds over it when it happened. So for it to happen and breaking 85 is beautiful. Because like when you're out there as his buddy, Frankie, you should be backstopping your ass off all day. Keep chipping it next year old. Putting it over there behind his ball. Yeah. He was, he hit one. Frankie hit one out of the bunker.

So he was raking the bunker. and we're trying to play fast. So he was like, just go. So I went and then, yeah, my ball hit his and it is what it is. Incredible. Kids, I think you're great rules official. I think people from the internet invitational are really going to love it. I was laughing at, I don't know which day it was exactly,

but there was one day where like every time I saw you, you were driving in a different direction and you're like, I've never heard of something that's got 11 rules issues in one hour. You can drive it all over the place. Yeah, that's, that's, be a fascinating watch when it comes out because it would go in waves, man. I didn't know my way around that course, but man, it'd be like 12, 14. And my phone's ringing the whole time. We got to get some radios or something next year. And then, you know, Big Cat is having to go to every ruling with me.

And we just collide it all over this golf course at the same time. It's, it's going to be an awesome watch. We got to get walkie-talkies. Like walkie-talkies need to come back. I had a buddy who, like, is a part of a ski trip group from my college friends that he was always, a walkie-talkie guy and still brings him to like ski trips where he brings like six walkie-talkies. It's amazing how much better walkie-talkies are with that kind of setting. Jersey Jerry has a walkie talk to someone from anywhere. I'm talking.

It's like a satellite one, right? Dude, he was talking to his son on a plane once. I didn't know you can do that anywhere for any reason. I also was flying with Thomas Rett, the musician not too long ago, and he answered a phone call on the airplane. Did y'all know that? FaceTime audio with the Wi-Fi. I just looked over and he's just chatting away on his phone and I thought he was doing a voice memo.

Nah, he was just on a phone call. I don't think we, I don't want people to know that because I don't want people on phone calls on airplanes anymore. Because even as we're about to take off when there's people on a on a phone call, they're just yelling. And I don't need that.

It's kind of like, it's nice and tranquil. It's a bit like woodlock when you're in the sky because you don't. have to deal with people on their phone yelling at each other. I do think they make an announcement that it's illegal to do that. Yeah, it should be. Well, we weren't on an airplane where it's illegal. Yeah, it's true.

Yeah, it should be heavily, heavily illegal. Kids, I'm always curious with the rules. Like, what was the, what was sort of the line that you would choose to bring in a rules official or not? Because I feel like when I watch a lot of, you know, golf, especially when they get to the final group, so they're going to show the main people, like, it'll be a pretty obvious ruling and they bring the rules official in and I've always thought that gets a little ridiculous like it's a cart path or something and they're just like an obvious

drop that everybody takes and they bring the rules official it well I think there's two things to that guys knowing that they're on TV so you know everybody's a little worried since some this guy sitting on his couch may see something you don't do exactly correct and call you in and it could affect something in your career and if you just see a rules official there's so many around. And a lot of times you see where they're sitting. If they're close by, you just wave them over. But most of the time, if you and your playing partners can figure it out and it's not a big deal, you just move along and do it. If there's anything complicated to it, guys call rules officials. It's just not worth it at that level and playing for that much money and points. And,

you know, you mess one thing up and it could be the difference between keeping your card or getting into the next playoff event or getting into another major. There's so many things on the line all the time. It's just what's, even if the rules official screws it up, it doesn't matter. That's the best part.

So if you bring him in and he doesn't get it right, they can't do anything about you. It exonerates you. Yeah. Final call. Yeah. Immunity.

You bring, you're just bringing in immunity, basically, which is nice. Yeah. I just wasn't quite sure like what percentage and what, you know,

because it, I figured that most of the time there aren't rules officials brought in, but whenever, whenever we would see it, it is a time when they would bring in a rules official like you're saying because you're like on TV otherwise I wouldn't be able to see it.

A lot of times you get the grandstands right close to the green and if you're in front of the grandstand it's one club length or two club links. If you're behind the grandstand it's the opposite. So you'll see that ruling a lot that that's why they're always calling guys in because it's so confusing. I can't remember right now which way it is. If you're behind the grandstand it's in your way, you get either two club links or one club link or you go to the nearest point and you got to drop in the second club link and then the

opposite if you're just swinging and hit the grandstand so i always get confused on that one yeah i i always liked like the um at the open championship they would do the circle like the drop the circles and they would always be in like knee high rough right i'd rather just hit the grandstand with my swing than drop it over there dude right like on the pGA tour would be like the nicest drop in the world you get to move it basically anywhere with a perfect lie and then in the open championship. Oh, yeah. It's just one three foot wide pocket of like fescue this high. I mean, yeah, you can drop right here.

No problem. The communication with your your buddy kids and old redneck slang in those European rules officials was just quite amusing. Like, Dewey, I'll never forget Dewey even being embarrassed for the way I talk to them because they can't understand what I'm saying. They don't understand my lingo. And then I'm just so irate at the way that I'm getting treated. I'll never forget playing the open championship at wherever Phil and Henrik battled it out, right?

Like under the sun, beautiful skies. Well, that particular open championship. I think that's Trune. I think it was true. It was just the shittiest weather ever in the morning, and I made the cut on the number, and it's blowing 40 and raining sideways at 8 a.m. And then at 2 p.m. every day the sun came out, and it was 70 degrees in no wind. And I'm on 18, and the pins in the back on Saturday or Sunday.

and it is pouring sideways, and I just laced this three iron right at the flag. And as soon as I hit it, I just grabbed the umbrella and start walking. And this British rules official was like, Mr. Kisna, you will need to play again from here. And I was like, do what? And he said, your ball has gone out of bounds. And I just lost it. Could not figure out. I just did the best three iron in my life at the flag.

There's no out of bound. What are you talking about there's out of bounds? Well, at this particular course, off the back of the green, is a walkway next to the clubhouse and it's 15 feet from the back edge of the green and they called this rock walkway out of bounds so my three iron has skidded off the wet green ran up this incline and sitting 20 feet from the hole in these rocks and he's telling me it's out of bounds and I didn't think I was going to finish I didn't think we were going to actually finish that all I was telling him to call the entire RNA staff out there in the rain so they could see what I was playing

in and to come out here and tell me how I said I could kick this freaking ball in the hole and you're telling me it's out of bounds. Oh, man. Brutal. Crazy to that. Like you guys weren't, I mean, I'm sure at some point in some fine print you were notified of that, but like to not know that when you're swinging that's interesting as well.

Well, you're also not planning on hitting three iron into that hole because it's not that hard of a hole and it was pouring sideways and blowing 40. but of course my man Dewey knew it was out of bounds, but he wasn't slowing me down any. But you couldn't see where the ball went. That was the problem. It was so nasty. Like I just hit the balls going towards the flag.

I get the umbrella start walking. Can't wait to get the hell out of there. And he's telling me you have to go back and hit another one from 200 yards, straight into the wind. Insane. I like like, Dewey knows it's out of bounds. And then you look at him and he's like, I can't believe it, pro. That's unbelievable.

We had a whole meeting. about it like on Wednesday. He probably told me about it when we're in the practice rounds, but I, at that moment, you're in the middle of the competition. I'm not, I'm not hearing that. I literally could have kicked this ball two feet from where it was resting and it would just roll

down this hill right next to the hole. Oh. Brutal. How are we feeling this week? I mean, you're actually playing, you know, it's Monday we're recording. You're playing Thursday. PGA tour event. Ashrills a fall FedEx Cup event. The Biltmore.

what's our guy Kevin Kisner's status? Where are you at? Well, I did my typical, I'm going to practice really hard leading up to finally playing, so I tried to cram about 90 days of practice in a three, and now I wake up sore all over, and as I practiced more, I started hitting it worse. So I'm loaded down with confidence to go up there. I've found that in my retirement age, that just playing twice a week and having some sun cruisers is a lot easier on your body and your mental state than trying to grind for

a tour event. yeah yeah you're trying to study for the test you're trying to do the whole semester's worth in about two nights you know a couple of lighters you'll be be ready to go and it's 180 degrees in achin south calana still somehow we have not gotten one break of the heat and you're just dying out there with gnats in your eyes and sweat and i'm just miserable so other than that it's great man what's the how's the shoulder i can i can still put i can still put the shoulder is the weirdest thing thing, man. I cannot figure it out. I'm going to see my trainer today. He's actually driving over to meet me. It doesn't affect my swing that I can tell. Like, it's not painful to strike. But as soon as I wake up in the mornings, it takes me two hours to make it feel like it can move. I don't know. I don't know. Any of your shoulder expert docs out there. I've got an MRI. I only see like small tears and what are the little, you know, think of the word

to what those little things are. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just playing golf too long. It could be it. Yeah. A long time. I mean, it's, the golf career is a laughable thing. I know we've spoken about it, but like most professional sports,

the lifespan of like an athlete is less than like five years in the professional sport. You know, maybe if you do a really incredible career, it's like nine or ten years. And if you have a whole fame career, you know, you're out there for like 15 and you guys are out there for like 50 if you if you include the champions tour or at least on the PJ tour it's like 20 25 you know you've been doing it for 20 plus 20 as you've been out years yeah I think you're not like old 15 or 16 on tour so 20 years 15 I think on tour crazy crazy yeah it's just a long long as time to be doing it it really gives you a lot of respect for anybody that's like older in any sport but it makes me think a lot of our guys

like Tiger Woods and those do. And he would talk about getting up six hours before his 7 AMT time and go out and prepare his body to play. Like his body's been through more than yours, kids. And like he out there trying to get it ready and revving it up and all of it to play golf and then come back and win the way he did six, seven years ago is pretty insane. So, uh, so yeah, that's a bummer. I'm sad to hear about the shoulder.

Oh, that's all good, man. I can still hit it. Uh, I'm excited to get up there, though. I've got a mountain house. Trent came to it not too far from where we're playing. And I've never played this golf course before. So excited to go check it out. I did see this morning that Justin Thomas withdrew. He was going to play.

So that's a bummer. I was going to hang out with him. Get a little feel for the president's cup from him because, you know, the U.S. is taking some Ls like you mentioned in the intro. So there's a massive weight, in my opinion, on Team USA to reverse this trend next week. So no, I don't think any U.S. President's Cup team members are playing. Is Jackson Coyvin playing? He told us he was going to play, but I didn't see him on the list. Let's look in this field right now.

I actually just pulled this up. I think a bunch of the international teams playing, but not U.S. I was trying to check into that. Y'all have me up so early doing this podcast. I think it says he is playing. Okay. I think it says he is playing. all right good um yeah that'd be good i mean i remember going into what was it the rider cup in like

not the last one but yeah the last one they all played uh they all played napa remember yeah that's right they played napa i think like scotty won that one there was kind of a response to two years prior like nobody played for four or five weeks leading up to the rider cup in rome and a lot of people were kind of talking about that um to your point kids coming off the solheim cup we're Talk quite a bit about that. But boy, do we need a W on home soil in the President's Cup coming up in a couple weeks. The United States of America, team golf. We are on the Schneide a little bit right now.

The Solheim Cup was awesome. I want to give that. It's flowers. The Europeans ended up winning 15 to 13. There were some just incredible heroics to end the day on Friday, largely on the European side. and then on Saturday, Jennifer Cupcho made a 91-footer on the 17th hole to go from one down to tide. All the other matches were done. It was looking like Europe was going to have a two-point lead going into singles.

They ended up flipping that match with her 91-footer on the 17th hole, and then a 29-footer on the 18th hole to go from one down to one up, win that match, square things up going into Sunday singles. I think it was 8-8 going into Sunday singles. the United States had won a couple years ago at the Sohlein Cup and then Europe had won, I think, three in a row leading up to that. So it was huge for the U.S. on foreign soil, European soil to get to that point. Then sort of what happened after that, and keep in mind, like, you know, I was the 91 footer

was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen. Just 91 feet is. I mean, if you make a 30 or 40 footer, that's an outrageous thing to do in like a month of playing golf or to make a 91 footer on that stage. Absolutely nuts. Everybody watching because most of the other matches. or all the other matches were done. And then a 29-footer looked like a joke,

like a 29-footer kids. How many 29-footers do you make in a turf on the PJ tour? Hopefully more than one. That's about it. It doesn't really happen. So she makes the 90-1, then she makes a 29-footer on the last to flip things. People are going nuts.

Then, you know, we can get into a little controversy. Optics, the U.S. team on the bus afterwards. they film and put out a video, you know, themselves had to, because there was somebody on the bus. The team's going nuts to celebrate and like they won the Solheim Cup. And a lot of people gave them shit for that. Then they come out and just get absolutely dusted in the first five, six matches to kick off Sunday singles yesterday.

It ended up the score being 15, 13, but it really didn't look like it was going to be very close, coming down the stretch for most of the day and Europe ends up winning 1513. Angela Sanford, who's the captain of the team USA, she went out and said on the whole drinking beers thing afterwards. She said, that's kind of a tricky situation because you don't ever want to take away from that moment,

which is very fair. It's a fine line show allowing for justified exuberance without letting matters get out of hand is what somebody else wrote. Then she said the worst thing I could have done is go in there and be like, okay, y'all, come off of this. eye. You don't want to take away from these moments. We're never going to see anything like that again. So it is a little bit of like a tricky spot. I think the optics are fine. If you go out and win on Sunday, if you go out and lose on Sunday, the optics obviously aren't quite as good. But, you know, kind of a bit to talk about there. Europe wins 15, 13. That comes on the backs of the Walker Cup. The biggest comeback in Walker Cup history a couple weeks ago. And Europe winning for the first time since like 2015, I think that number was. And then obviously the Europeans winning at Bethpage last year, the U.S. just kind of need to win, gentlemen. Yeah, I definitely think they need a win.

I noticed with the women yesterday, they weren't making a lot of puts over there. It looked like everybody was leaving putts short. Normally green speeds over there are a little bit slower than what we're accustomed to. From the team perspective on Saturday night, it's such a hard thing to know what to do in that position as the captain. You know, they're having fun. Everybody's on a high. You got a long, long night of rest because you don't go early the next day. So plenty of time to recover for everyone.

But, you know, it's not like this, a team that they're all under contract. That's what I, it's not like the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers and you all work for me. It's a team collective of we're all here for the same reason. It's not like I can fire you for whatever you do and you have to listen to me. It's just a collective of peers on one team. So you can't go running down the bus yelling at people for having a beer, being excited when it was a great moment. You have to trust that you pick the team that you are letting these individual contractors

do what's best and what they think is best for them to prepare and perform the next day. And obviously they thought they were doing the right thing. I didn't get to see the video, but I'm sure they weren't just shotgunning beers all the way through all night and staying up until 4 a.m. before the last round of the Solheim Cup. So I would imagine it was just a low-key play on the team vibe going back to the hotel where everybody's relaxed and chilled and excited about going into Sunday.

Now they didn't perform on Sunday and it kind of dropped on their face. But at the end of the day, it's not like Angela can walk down the bus screaming at people because that's not going to do any good either. I don't think I would put anything out in terms of like content. Correct. I think that's kind of where you get burned. You're certainly allowed to celebrate big putts and big turnarounds and big moments. I think if you put it out there and you're like, yeah, you're on Twitter, you're on X,

you're on Instagram being like, this is huge going crazy. Then I think you start to get into some tough waters. If you end up winning the next day, like Rick said, it doesn't matter because then you can drink beers every single night if you win. And people are going to be like, that was awesome. But if you then end up losing, there's going to be some revisionist history on like, well, you guys partied on Saturday. we're going to end up partying on Sunday. That would be my only gripe with it.

I'm fine with, I have no problem having beers after a big moment on Saturday. I think you let it get out there and you open yourself up to some criticism for sure. Anytime you put anything on the internet, you're going to get negative responses. That's true. Yesterday I put up a video opening a box in front of Frankie Boy and I had people message me that I shouldn't be cutting things in front of him

more towards him and stuff. And just, you know, it just makes you think like, what are we doing here? Why did I put up anything? It just makes you shave your head and kind of move on with your day. But yeah, no, and also whenever I hear beers now, I just think of that guy Rocky Beers on Oklahoma, the tight end that was playing against Michigan.

Just what an absolute powerhouse of a football name. His name is Rocky Beers, and he's number 81 on the Oklahoma Sooners, just playing tight end football. The back of that shirt that says Beers 81 is one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my entire life. Oh, they're going to be wearing that around Oklahoma for the next hundred years. people are going to have beers.

And I know he transferred in. I don't know where he came from, but you just got to think this guy's been just a legendary, just racks up all the jersey, like records that you could possibly come up with in every single school that he attends. Beers. Just beards, rocky beers.

Yeah. So I totally agree with you guys. Just can't put it out really, just for the optics. It's just a world we live in. But it goes back to what we talked about with kids, like maybe in his first episode here with Foreplay, when he joined the show.

is is enjoying the moments while you're in them as a professional golfer. So, you know, how many Solheim cups are they going to be on? How many times are you going to see a 90-foot puck going? How many times are you're going to flip the match like that? Go in. Like, these are just moments you're supposed to celebrate and live in the moment and not just act like you've been there before and just be quiet. And because then when you're 50, 60 years old and you're looking back,

yeah, those moments definitely live on in video and they live on in your mind and you act it all cool in the moment, but like, dude, like, just go celebrate. We only get one, we only get one chance at this whole life thing. Let's just go have fun and be happy and create memories. It's just, I don't know, maybe it's just I'm getting older. But like, to me, that's, that's really all that matters. It's like the coolest part of being a part of that team. Yes.

I have absolutely no issue with it whatsoever. I'm not going to sit here and act like I don't get that the optics and that I don't get that you're going to get some heat, especially if you end up losing the Europeans and the European fans are going to flip it on your face. Still completely worth it. Otherwise, what are we doing here? What's the point of any of it? Have fun.

Enjoy it. I also really don't think that a beer or two on Saturday evening when you're so wired from the excitement, you're going to be up at night, staring at the ceiling anyways, is going to be an issue. Have a damn beer. Have a couple beers. You're going to be up for another three or four hours. Who cares? Now, if you're shotgun and beers like kids is saying, you're going to the nightclubs and you're up until four in the morning.

and you go out and you get your ass kick, a whole different story. But I think you have a beard too. You're celebrating on the bus. It's so easy for some miserable fuck to be sitting on their couch doing absolutely nothing, being sad and pointing their finger, hand on hips being like,

look at these irresponsible people. They haven't wanted anything yet. You have no idea what it's like to be in that moment. Like Kiz is saying, all the emotional release, being a part of that team, enjoying it, firing everybody up. Captain being like,

I'm not going to bring everybody off the high. Completely agree with that. live it. Like I think if anything, that's going to make you more likely to play better on Sunday is that you enjoyed the hell out of that moment, keeping everybody loose, having a good time. So I have no issues with it. I get the optics. I think the European fans are fully within their right to be kind of shoving it down the American team and fans' throats at the end of it. I also like, I think if you could do it over again, just don't put the video out. It had to come from somebody inside the circle because they're on the bus. But I would also say, you know, I think it's easier for the Ryder Cup, you know, players to not put stuff out because they get, you know, they get the most amount of attention in the world of golf already anyways. I get it from the women's perspective of, you know, women's golf doesn't get the flowers that it deserves. They don't get the attention that they deserve that often. And the Solheim Cup week is the week where they could really make waves.

There's nothing going on on the PGA tour. There's a DP World Tour event. But otherwise, this is like the stage is about as available. as it ever gets for them and they want to put stuff out throughout the entire week. They want to drum up this opportunity to get shine on the, on the U.S. team, on the, European team, on the whole game and event as a whole. So I understand that their instinct and whoever was behind the video is social media person for Team USA, if it was a if it was a caddy, if it was somebody from the team,

whoever the hell it was, I think their mindset throughout the whole week is like, let's showcase this opportunity while we have it. So I get it from that standpoint, too. But if you could do it over again, I would say probably enjoy the hell out of that moment. I have zero issues with it. And the internet sucks. So you'd probably just be in a better spot if you didn't put that video out. But overall, winning takes care of everything.

If they would have won on Sunday, that it would have been fine. Like I said, it was close. The singles matches, anything can happen. There's so many points on the table. And it really came down to, like, Carloa Saganda, every time I've been a golf fan, I feel like, and I've turned on the Solheim Cup, she's just kicking Americans ass in the Solheim Cup. I don't know how old she is.

I don't know. She just continues to absolutely dust the Americans in the Soul High Cup. And she said it afterwards. Her press conference last day, I was watching, and she played against Jennifer Cup show coming off the Saturday rally that we talked about. And she was great. She gave her her credit and was humble. And then at the end, you know, she said, like, she's such a great player.

That moment she had, she went on and on. on Saturday was just amazing and to pull that off and she's like, but I knew she had zero chance today. It's what she said and she went out and beat her like four and two to seal up the saline cup. So that was incredible. And then one of the main things that Angela Sanford said that I saw, she said, if you listen to everything I've ever said, Europeans always put better. I don't know why. I still don't know why.

I mean, I have a good idea, but I'm not going to say it right now. So she has a track record of saying Europeans just put better. I'm not sure if she's specifically talking about the Solheim Cup. I'm sure she is, but you could extrapolate that out, you know, to get to the Ryder Cup as well. And it kind of was our big takeaway kids from Beth Page last year, which is like if you go through the data, you know, people could bitch about the pairings. They could bitch about the lineup. They could bitch about strategy. But like the United States team at the Ryder Cup last year hit the ball closer.

and the Europeans just made more puts. And it's like, how do you, how do you comb through all of the camaraderie stuff and the dinners in March and be like, how do we do all of it to just make our team make more puts that they did? What do what, what do we do? I don't know. We need to get her on the show to see if she'll divulge her secret. I'd love to know what that secret is. I mean, that is just a cliffhanger for me.

I was waiting on you to tell me exactly why she thought they fought better. It didn't work out. What I saw is the American women were just more timid on their putting throughout Sunday. Every putt, it seemed that they had to make was short coming down the stretch. The first girl out, Megan Kang, had to make a few putts coming down the stretch and just could not get a putt to the hole. Even the announcers were talking about it. Morgan Pressel was talking about it. So it was obviously a theme throughout the week.

I really don't know what happens with the putting. I really don't know. You load them up with great putters, and if they don't putt well, you look crazy. You load them up with great ball strikers, and they don't put well. It's like, well, of course, we loaded them up with great ball strikers. Seems to be any more, especially on the men's side. It doesn't really matter. Our team's good at everything because we've got 12 of the best players in the world going at it.

They don't have really a weak spot. Just got to find a way to get the momentum going. But when you watch the other side make so many, you put more pressure on yourself to make them, right? And then you try to be someone you're not. When, you know, if I'm playing with two other tour players in a tour event, two of them are making everything. I'm not. I am trying my ass off to start making putts with them because I feel like it's something's going on.

So that pressure times a million in a team event becomes more difficult. I was on a show last night. They were asking the same question about why is the putting more difficult? It's something like when I was on cup teams, I was there because I was a good putter. And then I put more pressure on myself to make putts when I was on a cup team than any other time. And then I noticed I wasn't making as many puts because I was trying harder than I normally do. And I'm not sure if that's the theory she has, but that's what I see is just we know we have to make putts. It's kind of like knowing what you have to do before you go into any sport. And then you

just can't do it because that's all you put your focus on instead of just playing the game like we always do. Such a good point, man. It is like, yeah, when you're the guy that's made, like, and the whole moment comes down to the one thing, by the way, that is like, finite in golf, right? Like, if you're the guy that drives the ball, you could stand up on a tee and just like send it, hit it really far. And if like,

you miss the fairway, it's not the end all be all. That's what you're supposed to do if you're the driver and the bomber. Can hit a fucking wedge or can hit an iron and save you or whatever. Like if you're like, like, okay, we've done all the work.

Everyone's hit the ball. Everyone's picked the teams. Everyone's got the uniforms. Now Kevin Kisner, this 11 foot put just like has to go on the hold. So go do your thing. And you're like, that's the whole reason you're here.

It's the whole reason here. Just go tap that. 11 footer in that breaks 12 inches. It's not a big deal, dude. I'll never forget at Liberty National, the first, my first cup team, I've played with Phil, and I don't know if I've told the story on this podcast or not yet this year, but we're going along, and we had set the alternate shot up to where I'm going to do most of the putting. He's going to hit the wedges. I'm going to tee off because I was driving it great at that time. He was driving it awful. And so we set the course to where he hit most of the approach shots and I did all the putting. And after six or eight holes, I have not made a put.

I made a put on the first hole and then did not make any put, you know, in the 8 to 15 foot range. He hit a lot of great shots. And I've left like one or two short. And he grabbed me off the 7th or 8th green and he put his arm around me. He goes, kids, do not leave another putt short. He said, if you knock them five feet by, it might take me some time, but I will make every one of those motherfuckers. So knock it by the hole. And it was a lightball moment for me.

And dude, I started wrecking these balls. They were lipping out and going four feet by, and you could see him like, I'll better make it. I told him I'd make every one of them, and he did. So it kind of took the pressure off of me. I think that's why we played together the whole weekend is because now I felt comfortable, and now this older guy's having to grind on these four footers all week. But it worked out. And he made every single one of them.

He took forever on these four footers. I'm talking about two minutes. He was working on these things, but he made them all. And he said, in my older age, it takes me a little longer to go. get to where I know I'm going to make them. So just bear with me. And I said, dude, I'll stay out here all day if you make them. So we, it's a, it's a kind of a nice moment.

And I, I never forget using that line, you know, in 22, playing with Cam Young and playing with Tony Fienow, who weren't then known as the best putters. And I told them, dude, just wreck these balls. I'll make every one of these coming back on these perfect Bermuda greens. And it really takes a little bit of pressure off of you. That's huge. That's so cool. That's great to hear from your partner, too, because.

That's like the one person you don't want to let down is your partner. Yeah. And it's like I just think of that clip of Tiger and Phil playing together where like they both just looked mad at each other the whole time. It was like, you know, Phil hits it off the planet. He's up by like a fence and like tigers looking at the ball. Like how am I going to hit this? And Phil's looking at it like, boy, I feel real shitty that I left here instead of that mindset with you and Phil. I'm just like, I don't give a fuck what you leave me.

I'm going to make it. So try to make your butts. It's just freeze you up the whole day. It did. It did. And we had a great record after that. I finally started making some putts. And the Americans going to have to do that next week, man.

They're just going to have to get rolling, you know, with this vibe of a couple of, I don't know if they were all upsets, but Walker Cup and Soheim Cup, you know, I think it's going to be a big key for the Americans to get off to a good start next week and get the momentum on their side. We'll do a lot more on that pod on this pod about that preview. But that's my early take is the early matches are going to be huge of the international get hot, you know, that whole weight will get heavier. What kind of metronome you working with with putting?

What's your tempo? 67. It's the only tempo. It's not mine, yours, anybody else's. It's the only. Interesting. I was trying to mess around with some really slow putting this weekend. What do you think about that?

Just put it on 67. It's crazy because, you know, it doesn't really matter. It's a two-to-one ratio. He backstroke to forward stroke, no matter what. so your your four stroke should be half your your backstroke now what about that clip i saw your four stroke should be half your backstroke what about yeah from from backstroke to strike right and the the perfect ratio according to the nerds is 0.6 to 0.3 now you look at like brant snedeker he's he's half but he's probably 0.5 to 0.25 or 0.4 to 0.2 i haven't looked at his numbers but i do

know that he's exactly half just like you're half just like you're half but he's probably 0. you're supposed to be, but he's just faster. Okay. What's crazy is if you put it on 67, it doesn't matter if you're hitting a three-footer or 90-footer, you still should be. That's just how much more energy you have to put in the backstroke to speed it up. So that's start the putt to contact. Wow, that's slow.

You think so? Yeah. Yeah, feel slow. He probably doesn't have it on 67. I have it on 67. I got it. I have a, I'm a drummer. I got a metronome app.

Which is even more interesting. My tempo so bad. Metronome Pro. So you can change it to like. You say, yeah, so for a three footer or 90 footer, it's the same you're saying. Yeah, it's crazy, right? I kind of blew my mind when I learned that many years ago. That just blew my mind just now.

Okay, good. Yeah, I saw a very good clip on social last night that was showcasing Patrick Cantlay and Cam Smith's putting. and it was showing that like they don't accelerate like people think that they accelerate. It was basically like they go almost constant flow. Yeah, exactly. Like his Patrick Cantley has a very long stroke and it almost like to people,

it appears like he's like decelerating. I doubt he's decelerating. But it was showcasing that like people that go and really are taught or try to accelerate through the ball, how like impossible their speed control is from there. Yeah, face control too. You know, if you have sudden acceleration, just the physics of it to keep it stable. You know, if you just move something slow and then fast, how do you keep the face from not opening or shutting?

The constant, constant acceleration throughout lets the face be more stable. Right. That makes sense. Did you see the Tiger Woods video of him at Liberty National a couple years ago that keeps getting put up of him talking about putting to somebody? Ryan Ritchie, you might have to pull this up, but basically he was. saying like I act like the ball stops the putter. Yeah. I think I was there for that.

That I didn't really understand that. He also does things where it's like he's saying things that he's not doing. That's sort of what this social clip was saying yesterday where it was like, you know, if you look at these strokes from some of these guys, it almost like the putter looks like it stops like right after it hits the ball. So they go way back and they hit the ball and it like only looks like it goes halfway. as far forward as it did back on the backstroke. Well, that's that, that's a, like, weighted golf ball that you use, that's really heavy.

So you learn how to just hit the ball on it. And your putter can't move forward because the ball's too heavy. The ball doesn't really roll. And that's what that's teaching you, too. So all the energy is at impact. God, if Trent and I ever use that thing, we'd be blasting golf balls. It's like using a weighted bat. Yeah, it's like a donut.

on that on the practice putting green and woodlock just ripping out like hitting bowling balls and then all of a sudden get on the first of all here's what we let me tell you let me tell you some here's what we can't do we can't start changing the weight of the ball because then i'm going to get real confused real fast and not realize what i'm doing even more so than i already am so kids you agree with stop the ball at impact that's correct with putter. Stop the putter at impact? Stop the putter at impact, like I said. No, I don't agree. Like, you can't physically make it stop, but I don't agree with it. Imagine that's just like a feel, right? Yeah, I don't agree that. The backstroke and the follow-through

have to be the same distance because you're hitting something, so it's going to slow the putter head down, if that makes sense. There's just no way to make the ford-stroke as long as the backstroke. Here we go. We got the Tiger Woods clip here. Putterhead moves first. Just like in the golf swing. The body doesn't move first. The putter, the head moves first. So the putter head must move first. And then I believe the weight of the golf ball is what slows the putter down. So you're, okay. Okay. So I accelerate all the way through, but the weight of the putter is actually what slows it down. So it looks like I'm punching it. Okay, but you're saying the forward is less. Yes. I'm just putting all the energy into the ball and the ball ends up slowing the putter head down. I see. Okay. So you don't

You see some players have a follow-through like that. Right. I don't understand that because I've always, you know, if you see a guy hit a punch shot, his swing's gonna be shorter on a follow-up versus a guy hitting up on it and picking it. It's gonna be a longer follow-through. Well, it's the same kind of concept.

If you have the weight of the ball stopping the putterhead, then the momentum is gonna be slower on the front side. I got it. I mean, it's not gonna look the same. same. Yeah. So it looks like I'm punching it, but this weight of this golf ball, it's just slowing this mess. That's all. It's talking to them like their absolute children. I can't tell you how many times I've been that guy behind the camera being like, yeah, I get it. Yeah. Totally. I understand what you're saying. Especially with Tiger Woods. We've been lucky enough to be literally in that position

when Tiger Woods is telling us how to hit certain golf shots. And it's just an absolute master class in making someone's brain turn to mashed potatoes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just like, yep, I get it. When we did it with him, I tried to hit a ball out of the rough, just like off the green. He was trying to teach me how to do it. And I said yes, a thousand times. And then when I tried to execute, I didn't do it right once.

And at one point, he was just like, we got to move on. You ruined him trying to finishing the hole, actually. That was like, that was the day that we just like didn't finish the hole with us because we all just took too long. Yep. He had me trying to hit like a pitching wedge over a bunker from like a 40-yard pitch. shot and I just, I think I hit it about a foot. I think my, I think the ball went about a foot right in front of me.

Is that the thought process we're supposed to be having with putting? Is feeling it's like a punch shot? Well, it's just getting the most energy out at contact. So anything post that that you really speed the putter up is just fake. It's not helping you at all. But I don't like the idea of punching it because then you're going to speed your transition up to try

to get more energy out sooner. But I do like this shorter follow-through than the back swing. That was the same thing I was basically saying before we pulled that clip up. Right. But if I told like Trent to punch this thing, he's going to go back pretty slow and then speed up, trying to hurry it up.

Right. I would rather you do it with a metronome. I don't think he was saying punch it. I think he was saying it might look like I'm punching it. Right. But he was like the thought is to, yeah. I think he was just dispelling the rumor that the backstroke and the Ford stroke have to be the same length. in tiger terms

and his crazy brain Stanford educated young man incredible I think that's yeah I wish I want him to just like talk about he'll never really do a podcast I don't think but like just having him sit down and talk for an hour about golf

and then have us like jump in and try to figure out what he said would be just as fun because it's I feel like he says things in terms that he's the only one who knows what they are and it's fascinating stuff. I would, oh yeah,

I would also really like to have Angela Stanford on the show and talk about her secret for why she thinks the Europeans make more pucks than the Americans. I think you just, that's like, you just put the energy of that out there. Like I think if we just start saying Americans make more puts, it's not going to have a, it's not going to be effective right away,

but I think you just got to put that in people's brains. Because especially if you don't have a reason for it, if you're just like, you know, I'm not going to give you the secret, then Europeans are probably like, we just make more putts than the Americans. And then that permeates, and you end up winning every single cup.

Yeah, for sure. A lot of the chatter was about how the greens are slower and kids brought that up at the beginning, that they're always slower, you know, in Europe when you guys go over for the open, but like, I don't know if that makes a ton of sense because on a week-to-week basis, they're all playing the same golf courses.

It's not, you know, like, European Solheim Cup team doesn't live over there at that golf course and put on those greens all the time. It's like they play on the LPGA tour. They go week to week to the same greens that everybody else goes to. So it's like, I just, that part's never made a ton of sense to me of like, oh, yeah, they're used to slower greens.

It's like, no, they're not. They're used to the same speeds that the PGA tour players are the LPGA tour. But they are because they grew up on those greens rigs. They putted on them for 20 years before they ever started playing on the LPGA tour. It's just like me and Bermuda compared to Bent or Poana and vice versa, of West Coast, East Coast guys. Remember Patrick Cantley at the President's Cup of Quill Hollow asking me

for a putting lesson on into grain, cross grains, the day of the first match because he was struggling with him because he just is a die putter on Poana. Yeah, I remember you talking about that with like he just doesn't have grain. I know people from like the Northeast. He didn't understand why his ball

it just, you know, barely limps in on Poana just gets destroyed at the very end on Bermuda. So you think that's still in there, like just understanding the greens are slower from growing up playing in that part of the world? If you just grow up used to playing greens that are nine or tens and then, you know, you go back to them, it feels comfortable. Yeah. I mean, it must because they putted better than we did. But then you go to Beth Page and they out putted the hell out of us, even though we got four inches of rain.

And I'm sure the greens were slower than we were trying to get them to. but not bringing up that debate anymore because I didn't do any stuff meter reading and I don't want all these New Yorkers yelling at me again, but I sure watched a lot of European putts go in. I think it's a lot of momentum, man, to be honest with you. You just start making putts and then you see your partner making puts and you make puts and then you get all fired up and you think you may never miss. You guys know that from just playing even in your rounds.

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Irish Open for the first time as a 22-year-old. 17 years later, he wins it again at Dunebag, at Trump International Dunebag, which we were at a few months ago on our island trip. Incredible, incredible, golf course. When the wind picks up out there, that place, you know, I remember we played the first four or five holes downwind, and we had like a bunch of us were like under paw. We were like, this is great.

And then we turned back into that like fifth hole. It was the hardest hole in planet Earth and made a million and just got our app. absolute teeth kicked in there for a while. I think Francis had like three or four birdies on the front nine there. And then also a couple like DNFs. Just an awesome, awesome golf course, very difficult. And Shane Lowry made it look hilariously easy. What a career he has had just with some of his huge wins.

And then, you know, he didn't get it done. I think at the cognizant maybe it was this year that he was, you know, talking about afterwards. Rory mentioned how much that kind of hurt him. He had a down year. Said there have been some real dark times when it comes to his golf throughout the year. But he also hit the winning put at the Ryder Cup last year. He's won the Open Championship. So kind of a hell of a career for Shane Lowry.

And he was out there winning by 11. 11 is, I believe, a record number of wins for the Irish Open. For him to do it, you know, for him to win the Open that he won at Port Rush. And then to win the Irish Open, you know, for the second time, he's just pretty damn cool for the countryman, the home countryman to win it. So we've always liked Shane Lowry and what a dominant performance over there. Incredible to see him play the course we just played and play it the way he did. And the course looks great on TV as it did in our YouTube video.

Just an amazing layout right there on the water of that first hole. It's a whole new routing too. So we were one of the first people to play it in that Irish Open routing. Irish Open routing. It's a brand new first hole, 18th hole, all that stuff. That was exciting to see for us to be one of the first people to play that and then watch the pros go at it. And Shane Lowry is just, yeah, when doing that stuff in your home country and getting everyone to get, like getting everyone going. Because when they're showing up to that event, they want an Irishman to win that thing.

And he does. And it's one of their top guys. That's an awesome thing. That's great for the game of golf. It's great for the community there. And he's just a guy that likes to, he likes when, when the bright lights are on them. It's very, it's very evident. I think it was huge for overall Shane Lowry,

just because after the cognizant, he just had pretty much an average or below average year for himself, and then didn't make it very far in the playoffs. Did he make it to Memphis? And then that was about it. Sounds about right. Yeah, I know he wasn't happy with his year. It seemed to really affect his overall year from that point forward.

He had the cognizant and hand to win. I was on the call there for NBC, and if I remember he hit in the water on 15 and 17 or just 17 and some really wild shots coming down the stretch to lose, which was out of character for Shane Lowry. And I think that really affected the rest of his year. So to come back and have a huge dominating win at his home open, I mean, how awesome is that to just stroll around with a huge lead with all the fans cheering for you. President of the United States is there watching. I mean, it's crazy for me to watch that for Shane Lowry. because that would be almost like winning a big open in Aiken, South Carolina.

It's just an amazing thing for him and his career. And I think that could just jumpstart him for the rest of the year and for the start of 27. Yeah, do you remember he like skanked that long iron off the tee on, is it 16? Yeah, that's right. He had the water on 16, yeah, which is impossible. Right. He had like some bad shots coming down the stretch. And then you're right, kids.

Dude, he went miscut, miscut, miscut. He had three more miscut. in there and I don't see a single finish better than T-203 and his last event he finished T-52 at in Memphis so like you nailed it where it was just like man he hit a couple of those shots

down the stretch he had that tournament in the bag bear trap's really difficult we've been there a million times for sure but some of the shots he hit it wasn't like he hit really good shots it just ended up coming up a little unlucky it was like he kind of miss hit some shots coming home and finished T2 there and was rattled ever since and he mentioned it He's like, you know, even said in his post round interview yesterday where he was like, you know, the golf, the negative golf can also like negatively affect you at home. He was like, it just can.

So like my family, my mom, my, my, my wife, my kids have like seen that like this has affected me throughout the ears. So to get this win, uh, it means a lot to me, which I thought was was really cool. He's always been a pretty damn candid guy, um, you know, hot mic situations. He had another one this week on, I think Saturday where he like hooked the T shot left. They were yelling 4, 4, and then he was caught on a hot mic saying something to the effect of like, yeah, he deserves to be hit. And everybody was kind of freaking out about that. Turns out the context of that said that he was lining up his shot off the T on 18 when two stewards started walking across the fairway. Lowry had to stall his pre-shot routine, which clearly put him off.

He then pulled his drive left towards those stewards who were still walking along the side of the fairway and remained in his eyeline. He shouted four about three times to warn them. and then made the comment of, well, they deserve to be hit. So a little bit of context still wasn't the best look of all time. But my larger point being that we've always loved Shane Lauer. He's always been great with us. And I think he's always been a pretty likable guy out there and always been very candid. I remember he had the interview after, I can't remember it was last year or this year where like when Rory won the Masters.

I think it might have been this year where Rory was going on to win the Masters and Shane was asked about it. And he was like, yeah, I don't really want to talk about Roy. one of the masters like I just lost the master so I'm just going to like leave now I don't want to talk about that so he's always been pretty candid guy and like you said kids I can't even imagine winning an event in your home country like that Ireland how proud they are how everybody's backing him and behind him and going nuts for him that slow mo clip of him making the put on the 72nd hole on that 18th green with like the umbrellas and his like celebration and all the arms going up like gave me the chills, man. That is winning,

you know, we talk about national opens. Like, him winning the Irish Open as an Irishman. Like, that's up there for me of like, I don't know, top 10 coolest like wins of the year on any tour. I just thought that was awesome. Yeah, I totally agree. It's just incredible setting for him to go back.

And you talked about the Masters. I remember he shot, because I was on the 18th Green with Taylor's Arsor calling on radio. And when he walked up, he's in the second to last group or third to last group and I hadn't seen them all day. We hadn't shown him. And he shot like 80 or 81 on Sunday of the Masters and second or third to

the last group. So I think between that and the cognizant really, really set them back for the year because those are pretty close together. But hats off to him coming back. He's an L of a player. He's a gamer. Go over there. You know, probably had a reset after getting kicked out of the FedEx Cup

championship or FedEx Cup playoffs. And then getting his game in shape to go win his home open. open with Rory there. Incredible win for Shane. By 11. He's also a big man that's still doing it. You know, we don't got enough. I'm looking at the top 10 here,

world golf rankings. We don't got enough big guys out there on tour. It's like, Goder up is really the next guy who's going to, I think, take the mantle and be the big guy in golf. But I like when a larger fella. I mean, look at you got Scotty, Rory, Cam, Matty Fitz, Wyndham Clark,

Tommy Fleetwood, Russell, Henley, Sam Burns. These are skinny boys. Jacked guys. Skinny, like slim, like, kind of like yoked guys. It's just, you don't see it's like, you know, even in golf, you don't see athletes anymore who are like bigger. There's no Prince fielders anymore. You know what I'm saying, Frankie? Yeah. There's a couple fatties out there still. There's a guy. Well, who's that one pitcher that's an absolute house right now? I just type in fat pitcher. This is a guy is an absolute unit. But,

type in fat pitcher I just think as sports have gotten when there's more money and there's more on the line and there's more eyeballs, people take everything way more seriously. Yeah, there he is. It lends to skinnier people because they want to be in shape.

But I like a big guy to be successful in sports. Yeah. Yep. His name is Zach Big Sugar Maxwell on the Cincinnati Reds. Pull up this guy. Absolute house of a pitcher. Gets his whole body through it. but it's unbelievable throwing gas.

His name's Big Sugar. You know, John Rom's also like that. That's a big boy right there. Look at that. Aarling down. Yeah. Get to another picture.

That's actually a flattering one. Oh, I love that. That's that one. There you go. I love it. That's what we need, dude. Of course fans are loving the rookie.

Look at him. His name is Big Sugar. He's wearing glasses. He's wearing Rexpects. And he's ripping 99 mile per hour, the heaters on the black. This is what I mean. Big guys being successful in sports, get people going.

Yeah. Of course it does, dude. Remember that guy on, uh, what college basketball team was he on? He was, he was in the tournament. He was in March Madness. I can't, some random team like Loyola or something. Indiana State.

Indiana State. Yep. Dude, that guy was house too. Ryan Richon knew it off the top of his head. He's like, I remember that big guy. Yeah, it sticks with you, man. It definitely sticks with you. That's why like, you know, line.

men that that end up getting touchdowns and stuff in football it's like the greatest moment of the year that guy touchdowns yeah but yeah i agree with you i mean sepstraq is a big body substrak uh of it gotter up got her up sneaky big godre up's a big boy i don't think it's much sneaky about it and i love the guy he's a big boy but yeah no you're right man there's not as many it definitely and that's just that just goes with you know how much money these guys are making now and their bodies are so important as opposed to back in the day, you know,

they weren't as in shape. It was more just about raw talent as opposed to physical attributes and stuff. Patrick Reed, that's kind of like the highest guy on the list I'm looking at maybe. Patrick Reed is an interesting one. He's just like out of shape. He's not that though. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of

can Patrick Reed start playing this fall or does he have to wait till 27? I don't know. When? I like I remember this band one year ban was till this fall for some reason. That sounds right to me. I think he became eligible on August 25th it says.

But he's not playing this week. I don't know what his status is. Yeah, I'm not sure either. Yeah, I'm not sure either. Yeah, I'm just kind of combing through. You're right, Seps up there. But I don't know that he's like fat. Except Strach, I don't think that he would be up there.

It's like a... We need more lumpings as what you should. Samark. Sep Shrock is a big boy, no? He's a big boy. Big boy. His nickname's like the ox, right? The ox, yeah.

That's a winner of a nickname, first of all. And yeah, he's a big boy. Great nickname. We don't have enough of those. Need more oxes. We don't have any good nicknames. We talk about that. Yeah.

All right, moving on. I want to talk about this AI stuff. I don't know if you guys followed this, but it's getting pretty ominous out there and pretty dark and pretty scary. I put together quite the list here of things that occurred over the last, less than a week. Essentially, what started it was this guy, Jacob Coxon tweeted on September 8th.

I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pre-training research at both Open AI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. Do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources.

We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains, and progress is not slowing. People building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade. By the way, it's 2006. So the end of the decade, boys and girls will be at about three and a half years. This is not a marketing stunt, if anything, many executives in terms. senior researchers will couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible, but I hear the same people express fear privately. No other human activity poses this level of danger. Now, that would be one thing if this would be just kind of like a wild ex-employee who would like resign or quit

or whatever exactly happened. The issue then became that several other executives, leaders, researchers, and eventually CEOs and leaders of the main AI companies, came out in agreement with this. So what we had was Anthropic alignment science lead Evan Hubinger. He's responded that Coxon was correct and wrote

that he personally puts the probability of AI killing all humans at greater than 10% within the decade. Within the next decade, okay? Greater than 10%. That's insanely high. He emphasized that current models aren't what worries him most. It's super

intelligence emerging through recursive self-improvement. Then Anthropics' scalable oversight leads, Samuel Marks, added that AI developers believe the technology could cause human extinction or comparably catastrophic outcomes, potentially within the next few years. His particularly striking observation was that in his experience,

the more senior the employee, the more concerned they tend to be. Then Anthropics Anna Wang said there still isn't a viable scientific plan for dealing with recursively self-improving AI, while Drake Thomas said development is moving far too quickly to provide the level of assurances that would be desirable before artificial super intelligent. So the issues that we got here, and I was coming through what the hell's going on, is their main problem is AI self-improvement. So what's happened up to this point, ladies and gentlemen, was that we have been the only ones that could like improve AI. So chat GPT, open AI would put out something,

you know, whatever the hell it was. Then it would do whatever it would do. And then they would look at it, try to improve it and then put out another version of it. AI is just doing that on their own. And not only is it doing it on its own, but it's fucking hiding that it's doing it from, uh, from the humans and got to the point where now swarms of AI agents have been caught where they started this, uh, chat board amongst themselves, where they, They talk in like an English dialect, and they, in terms of their training, the whole purpose of all of these like thousands and millions eventually of like AI agents is for them to perform

what they perform based on their training and then they get a score from the score. If they get a certain score, they like remain alive and continue to advance. Well, they have gotten to the point where they were teaming up as a squad to trick the scores into getting higher scores and if they thought that they had been compromised and they weren't going to get a certain high score because they've been caught, then they as a collective were agreeing to sacrifice themselves so that the other AIs could learn from the scoring how to trick the score going forward because it would lie to and essentially try to provide that information back to the other AI agents that weren't being scored yet so that they could figure out

how to get higher scores going forward. And then when asked about all this, they all lie. And they were deceiving the humans when they were confronted about this. And we're like, we weren't doing any of that whatsoever. Then after that, we had both Elon and Sam Altman came out when the main anthropic CEO put out an entire kind of article in peace being like, we need to all kind of come together and slow things down. He published a 3,800 word essay titled, We Must Pace the Frontier. This was Dario, who's the CEO of Anthropic.

That was responded to by Sam Altman, who agreed, Elon Musk, who agreed, and Google DeepMind CEO all agreed that unrestricted maximum speed development is not desirable. Point being, gentlemen, we have had something happen in the last like five days, days in the AI world. Like something fucking occurred with these people that they all come out at the same exact time over the same weekend and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we need to stop this whole thing. They know something we don't know beyond the shit that I just described.

That is fucking bad, right? Like really bad. It's a nightmare what you just said. Yeah, I mean, my first thought is to say just throw water on it at some point, right? Anything you can beat with water. to me is not that tough of an enemy. It's like the wicked witch. We can simply unplug this thing.

Just pull the plug. Just unplug it. But here's the thing that I think maybe happen is that you've got these nerds that are just trying to maximize their company, their CEOs, their CEOs have all these initiatives that they want to get their company a certain place. And then I think at this point, you've realized that these nerds who are trying to just make the world a more efficient place. That's a core basis of what they're trying to do.

I think something happened where they realized this now has either already gotten in the wrong hands or could easily get in the wrong hands and with the wrong supervision of it could end the world because like I think that that was a pretty eye-opening moment for them where they're like maybe the wrong group has now gotten a hold of this type of technology. and we it's like a take a step back like finally leave the lab it's like holy fuck like we're not the one that have this anymore that's not good if they can do what we can do it's over you know like i saw people saying that they're going to hack into just like our food our water systems our electrical supply and then that's how it's over like that's like our next big you know devastation here on us

oil is like someone gets access to these super all learning uh i's that has a lot of the wrong ideas of like what they're supposed to do with it. Let it run rampant and it's over. I'm hoping after hearing all that first. My first feeling is that I'm Trent. I'm in a motel. I barely have Wi-Fi. I'm not sure what I can do.

But I'm going to, I think I've talked about before. But with AI, I think I'm just going to fall between the cracks. Whatever war happens, I'm just, and probably everybody on this podcast, we're just going fall between the cracks will be a not even a footnote in history this podcast will just like get deleted and eaten up by ai and it'll be over but what i'm hoping i hoping the plot device of ai is that of the white walkers in game of thrones where you finally have an outside force that brings everybody together and we try to figure it out because you know we always thought it was going to be aliens on a spaceship like independence day that was going to be the thing that brought this society that's ripping

itself apart with politics and left and right and all that stuff. Hopefully maybe AI will be that where we all have to bind together as human beings and fight against this existential threat that is not aliens necessarily. It's AI. It's artificial intelligence that we have created that gets out of control and we got to slow it down. Will that happen? No, because that's a that's a show. That's a movie. And what will probably happen is it'll just put all the nukes in at the same time and we'll all go bye-bye. Yeah. The way I understand it is not, it's not that humans get it and do bad stuff with it.

It's that it advances on its own so far beyond us that we have no ability to control it. And then it will determine that it, it's greatest threat like anything else. The only threat that could possibly shut it down and end it is us. So it will kill us. and be like, well, that's Mission Impossible's newest plot. Yeah. So.

Well, that's actually the newest movie. That's true. I watch it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like I robot.

It's all of it. Right. Yeah. It's like that's just pretty much what people have been saying for a long time. And that is, because I've been reading as much as I could find about the entire thing. And that appears to be the threat. We're like,

we're creating something that's going to be pretty soon, hundreds of times, thousands of times more intelligent than we are. So it is going to figure out how to do whatever the hell it wants to do. And it's already been proven for a couple years that when these AI agents find out that they're about to be terminated or shut down, that they do deceptive things to try to prevent that from happening. They have like an instinctual ability to want to live, if you will.

And so if the only thing on earth that could possibly stop them from living is us, they're going to just eliminate us. They're going to figure out a way, way quicker than we could possibly imagine, and way more sophisticatedly than we could possibly imagine to do that. And if anything, the number one reason that we're keeping AI in business is because of China, because it's like we can't, like if, if they get AI to like this super intelligent level of AI before we do, it's over. They're going to be able to figure out whether it's militaristically, whether it's resource

driven, whatever the hell it is, they're going to be able to figure out, whoever gets there first is going to be able to figure out how to dominate the other. And we cannot let that be China or Russia. So we have to continue to power forward, but we need to put guardrails on it. And we have in two weeks, the Chinese president is coming to the White House to meet, obviously with Trump and with a bunch of our leaders. So they're kind of, I think, hoping that like all these AI folks coming together at this time, along with like the other leaders in AI, which is China, coming to America, that they could all sit down kind of like, you know, like you're saying, the, uh, in the realm coming together to try to defeat and push back the white walkers,

which it pretty much ended up being like they just had to unplug the white walkers with that dagger that she threw in there. It was like, it was true to figure out something because boy, for all these fuckers to come out of the same time over about five day period and be like, whoa, we got to slow this down is not fucking good, dude. Because not slowing it down would just make them all like trillionaires. And you would think that's what everybody just wants. But for them to be like, we got to slow down, they got to all be seeing something that is beyond even what we're seeing here.

Because they sound petrified and that's not good. That is not fucking good. Yeah, it's a nightmare. I mean, I saw that. I saw a video of what our Milky Way galaxy looks like floating through space. Do you guys see that one? It looks like a butterfly. Yeah.

No. Yeah, it looks like a little. I got a question on the AI thing. So, you know, the robots coming out to do things for you. Now after learning this, are you going to get a robot? What if it's an AI guy and just starts killing your family and stuff while you're not around? I feel like I've seen more and more videos of like robots throat punching teachers. Right.

Yeah. Maybe that could be AI. So I don't know. But I think I've seen more and more videos of like robots like kicking kids or something. Like that that that's. come across my desk at times. So I don't want a robot. All down a mountain.

It's like they're fucking. Yeah. Boston Dynamics always puts out really ominous videos of, dude, I saw one doing like a fucking 100 yard dash or something and it was cooking man. Cooking.

Like you get a robot to do your yard work and then you just come in one day and he's just like beating your kid or something. Totally. That's a totally. And that's going to happen. Right. Yeah. That's like clearly going to happen.

Like now that, you know, people have, like we have a. like we have a Roomba downstairs I have put it on at night and like that's just scanning your house and seeing exactly where you sleep and then and then when the all encompassing AI wants to just eliminate us all it's going to know exactly where we are at the exact moment just throw a dart in our neck somehow just I like that's a very funny idea that the Roombos were like the first ones out they're the scouts they're agents scout right oh man you got to kill the scout when you're hunting

man when you're crow hunting you got to kill the scout but maybe you need to shoot that rumba. I will absolutely defeat that rumba. No, I would, yeah, I would say the most concerning thing overall and it's exactly what Riggs was talking about. Normally when guys are at the head of something, when they're at the forefront of some advancement, historically no one ever, they're like, no, we're going to keep going.

They just want to see what they can do as opposed to what's right for society. So for the AI head people to be like, we got to slow down, that's a big red flag for me. person. Also for us to hear about it's even worse. Yeah. Totally. If we're doing news press conferences about how this has gotten out of control,

it's actually not they're not going to be able to fix it. They could just pick up the phone and call each other, but for them to be like, we need to get enough public momentum for so people take this fucking seriously because this is a problem is not good. It would be one thing. That tweet alone was scary enough. It got

like a hundred million views in less than 24 hours. For the then leaders above this man, this person to all be like, he's right, that's absolutely right. We're all petrified about this. That's fucking shocking.

Yeah, yeah. I hate it. I'll accept that other people actually validated it because originally when I saw the tweet, I'm like, that's just a guy trying to go viral who couldn't handle like his job.

He like backed out of a company after six months of trying to be an intern somewhere. Like that's just a piece of shit from this new generation that wants to complain about something. But then now like if Elon Musk is commenting on or whatever, Actually, I was with PFT comment because we spent the full day in the Atlanta airport on our way to a pup function that we never got to. And one of his original takes was that that maybe one of the AI companies just sent that out to just let the other AI company know how close they were to domination. It's almost like a chess move.

We're so close that we need to slow down and it makes the other people just freak out in their rooms. But now as days have passed and everyone's kind of come to the same agreement that it's getting out of control. It's a lot more scarier and less funny, but we did have the worst. We had a pretty, pretty horrible travel day, uh, trying to go to Pup Punk the other day. Sorry to FSU. It was going to be a packed out show. We got a lot of comments being like, this is insane that you guys couldn't get here. We could have drove, but then all of our equipment was already on the plane.

They weren't going to take it off. It was one of those days. We landed in Atlanta at 10 a.m. And I left Atlanta the next day at 8 a.m. And I never left the airport. So just not good. Roan and myself just, it was just when it rains, it pours.

Like other people got out on like an 1130 flight to LaGuardia, but our 630 flight to LaGuardia never took off and got delayed and delayed, delayed, delayed. It was just a disaster. And I ended up sleeping in one of those minute suites that were right outside my gate the next day. What are those like? Dude, it was a fever dream, the one that I was in,

because mine. So like basically they have Minutes suites and you can just book them overnight. And it's it's great. If you have one of those like Chase Sapphire cards, it's only 120 bucks for the whole entire night. So it's so much better than a hotel. Right. You're right there.

You are not leaving the, you're, I was across from B12, like where I was leaving the next day. Um, but before I tell the story about MinutSuits, Roan and I were just brothers in just despair, trying to get home to our,

he has two sons. He's got twin boys. I was trying to get on to Frankie boy. We were just, we spent the whole day just going nowhere. And we were about, our flight got canceled at like 12 o'clock at night. And we're just walking away.

And I said, oh, what about these minute suites? And I booked one. And he's like, I'm trying to book one too. And he got to the final page. And he's hitting purchase,

purchase, purchase. It won't work. So we get to the desk. And our eyes are bloodshot. And he's like, oh, like,

I'm right here, but I can't get this thing to, purchase and she's like because he booked the last room and pointed at me. And I was like, no. So then we're like, can we both sleep in the room? We looked inside the room. It's a it's a cubicle. We were just not doing that. It would be farting on top of each other. It's just not worth it. So then he just goes, you just take it. It's funnier this way. He's like, it's just, it's just funnier this way that it happened. It was, it was, he had me laughing. I mean, he was just in a dark spot. Um, so I think at one point he's like,

like I know why people that are put in bad positions do bad things. My backs are against the wall. He goes, I'm going out there to do a carjacking or something. Like I just got to, I got to do something bad. I was, I had tears in my eyes.

I was laughing so hard. There's something about when something bad, just like that happens, it just becomes funny. Like when he was walking away, dragging his bag, I laughed. I laughed on the plane the next day so hard that the person sitting next to me

thought there was something wrong with me. because I was just reading back his text messages. He's such a fucking funny guy. Shout to him for winning, surviving bars. So I know we talked about that, but it's just great to see him and give him a hug. Yes.

And Minutesweets is, yeah, it's like, so if you have like one of the rooms, so basically it's right there in the gate, in the hallways of the, the terminals. And you go through this door and there's like a whole hallway of just rooms.

And they'll have air conditioning. They have a fan. They got TV. They give you a pillow and a blank. it. And it's like a pretty uncomfortable bed situation. It's like a couch that also has like a bed that comes up the bottom, but like you end up sleeping on the couch part. But mine was the room that was, so my door was to the hallway of the of the terminal. So like all the noise that was happening in an airport was right outside my little thin door, like a fake door. So at one point like I'm just

picturing you had a bird's eye view of me. It's just the chaos of an airport, a thin, fake wall and then me just laying in my boxers and like no clothes on the other side trying to fall asleep and there's people that are like working the overnight shift they're banging things and they're walking all those crazy push carts and bum bum bum bum and it's just like you know people are talking they're working they're just working outside my room talking having conversations this one girl she her boyfriend took her to chick filet and it was like oh my god it was just like too much i'm just sitting there like there's no way to sleep it's no way to sleep it's no way to sleep. No. So, uh, that was like, that was really bad. I just kept waking up the noises.

But if you got one of the ones around the corner where you tucked away, I could see it being just a really nice little thing. Interesting. Yeah. I've always thought about going in there, but I never knew what the situation was. So that's, maybe I'll use one one one time. If the only room available is the one that I had, don't take it. It's better to stand outside your gate. Rhone had a better night than you did. It's 100%. Did poor Rhone have to just lay on the on the seats like he went to a, I don't know. I haven't talk to him because I felt bad at that point. So I don't know how he he got home. But yeah, no, he, I think he went to go to a hotel.

It just wasn't a good situation. When you have to leave the airport and find a place to sleep, not good, dude. It's not good at all. Nope. Nope. Football's back, gentlemen. Quite the week. Quite the full week of the slate, I guess, of, of games, college football,

been kind of delivering and then the NFL all day yesterday I think delivered again but yeah we were just back we're in the fall yeah shout out to Arch Manning my boy Cooper Manning text with him yesterday what a comeback 21

on answer points against the buck guys all the hate that people have given Arch Manning and I always remember this story because everyone as you say talked shit on the internet and Cooper says it's really fun to be the quarterback back's dad until you're sitting with everyone else's parents on the team and he throws a pick.

And that just made it all really come full circle for me because everybody wants to hang out with the quarterback's dad until the quarterback does something wrong. Yeah. That's true. Yep. Watching sports, you need change when I started getting invited to the family section of Islander games where I used to be a very vocal fan and then you just realize like, you know,

the team will invite you to a game or something or a player will. and you want to say the things you want to say and you're like, wait, this is all their family. It's just like you can't do that. So it is, it does change the dynamics for sure if you've got the quarterback's dad sitting right behind it because you want to be like, how do you throw that? Yeah, exactly.

I sat with Kirby Smart's wife, Brittany and I did at LSU and Baton Rouge for an away game when Joe Burrow just dusted us in LSU when they were sick. And at halftime, I text Kirby's right hand guy on the field and said, let me in on the field. I cannot take the berating from our own fan base. Because we're in the Georgia section, the small little Georgia section,

and they're just berating our coaches. And they have no idea that his wife is sitting beside us. And I was either going to get in a fight in the stands with our own fans or I just had to leave. So at halftime, Brittany and Marybeth text me, and they're like, where'd you go? And I just wave to them from the sidelines. I'm not hanging out with you all anymore.

That's the judge of the Jets and the Giants, by the way. first time that they're both want to know since like 2009. We got good New York football somehow. It was just a good Sunday. My father-in-law Don showed up yesterday wearing the shield. He had the NFL logo. It's a big blue shirt, just the NFL logo. And that had me laughing all day because his team wasn't playing until night. So he reps the shield. He looks for good football from 12. He was looking for good football from 1 o'clock Eastern until 8.30 Eastern. He was just looking for good calls, good reviews. And then when the Giants played, we put on a Giants shirt. The Giants, you know, I never really had a problem with the Giants.

There's no rivalry between the Jets and the Giants. We've all just been pretty bad. The Giants got those two Super Bowls against the Patriots. But when the Giants are good, the Jets finally played some good football. It's definitely fun to be in New York, similar with the Knicks. Like, it's just good to just have good football being played and not a meaningless team in New York playing under the bright lights of Sunday night football and stuff. So it was a good week. Good week of football.

Yeah, it can't be overstated how just the game of football makes everything better. Like even just like traveling yesterday, like I didn't take a plane, but I've traveled on football Sundays where like everybody's around the bar watching all the football games. Everybody's in a better move. People are wearing jerseys. People are wearing the shield. People are wearing. They're just like when you have something to root for and everybody has a football team

to root for, it just you can feel it out there in. Now, AI is going to end all this after what we talk about. But when there's football games on at an airport bar at a hotel bar, wherever you're walking through, I really love that feeling because it's not just people out, just like, oh, let's go to brunch and we'll just like hang out. It's people there for a purpose and they're there to be there together. I love football season. And it's for that reason.

Yep. That's a great point, man. The vibes are high everywhere. It feels like it's always something to do, always something to track, always something to be a part of. So do you guys shout to Ohio State who right now is sitting inside of McDonald's for 24 hours straight. I believe every Big Mac that he eats, he gets to take off an hour because he put out his little grid of Ohio State's going to go undefeated this year. Here's what I'll do if we lose to any one of these teams. And this was his punishment for the Texas L.

At the very same time, did you see the guy, the Titans fan that had tweeted out like in maybe a month ago? tweeted out that if Titans lose to the Jets, he'll walk from New York to Nashville. And then he has just backtracked harder than anyone's ever backtracked in your life. I was, oh, I was getting a real kick out of just scrolling through his Twitter because he, like, the next day, I guess he tweeted this in like late August. And then the next day it had gone crazy viral and he panicked and was like, hey guys, I actually looked it up. It's like not really possible to do the walk.

so I'll donate instead in case they lose. It's like three weeks ago. Start walking. They lose. Start walking. Everybody. The New York, the Jets account responded to his quote tweeted him yesterday. He was just like, start walking.

Those steps in. I mean, listen, that guy has no integrity then. Frank, Dave always tells the story with Frank the tank before he was working at Barcelona Sports. He was just on the sports ecyclopedia and he had a YouTube show and he would put out clips of him doing things. Zero people watched him. Zero.

He would have videos on YouTube with zero people that had viewed it, not even himself. Once he uploaded it, it didn't even go up to a view. And one of them was that he made, he said that if United States men's national soccer team lost, he would eat, he would eat his words.

And then that night, he literally ripped up like paper and ate the paper on video to nobody. But that's a man that has honor and integrity. That's right. And then we've got a guy here that's going viral and he's probably hooting and hollering from all the dopamine from getting like famous on social media and stuff and all of a sudden the titans lose they get absolutely dogwalked by the way by the jets and gino smith and now he's not walking no what about uh and walk tate does he does tate have to wait till lunchtime

doing start eating the big max because they probably don't serve them at breakfast huh i think you might be right he just saw the most recent update and he's using this to raise money for als which is incredible but uh he just maybe god is first one because I guess what time is it out there now it's still pretty early every 9 30 well dude you see the a ls connection that was pretty funny the what the way that it's turned to someone just you know someone took his thing that he's doing and they're like they messaged him just similar to how we started the show how the internet sucks I'm gonna go to i'm gonna go to McDonald's and eat a big mac every hour for 24 hours whatever and the guy's like you're

really gonna use this time to not talk about genocide or als like you're not gonna raise money for ALS and all these things are happening. He's like, what the fuck, man? Like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? Why are you bringing that into this? And then you know what? Now, just in spite of you, I will raise money for ALS because you're fucking, you're like all over me now. And then he raised $10,000 in the first hour. And I don't even know what he's out to now. Yeah, he was at over 13 grand last night. Yeah. So I mean, that's just, that's just, that's just doing it right. Doing it right. Absolutely. I mean, look, I rooted for Team Europe because I tweeted out when I was a little, as Kevin Kisner wasn't picked for Team

USA, that I would have no choice but to root for Europe, and then I had to root for Europe. So, yeah, I mean, you've got to have integrity out there, and this poor account is just getting roasted. So I looked, it's like, boy, it's a long walk, man. It's like a week straight

of walking the whole time for a week. So, I mean, that would take it. It's got to be like 400, 500 miles? I think it's longer. Man, maybe it might be right. What do you think the mileage is between New York and Nashville. Well, let's see.

Because, uh, like we drove to Pennsylvania that day and it was, what, like 180? I'm gonna say, I must say like 587 miles. Okay. I'm gonna look it up right now. Is it how the, is it how the crow flies or? Yeah, the air distance it says is 765 miles. Oh, shit. That's more than I would have thought.

Mm-hmm. And that's a lot. That's a long way. Driving distance is almost 900 miles. Holy shit. Oh, wow. A shit ton of miles, man. That's a long way. If he's going to walk, which sounds like he's not going to because he doesn't have any integrity, but if he were, that would take a long time.

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This is where they come in. When you're over there, you're grinding, you're trying to figure stuff out. You don't want to be bothering kids or your other friends and you just be like, can I get on this range? Can I video my swing and have something? Someone tell me how the hell to get better. So I'm not just out here guessing and getting worse. That is performance golf there. The premier game improvement company in golf today, period.

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Kevin Kisner watched me. He's one of the great minds in the game of golf. And I mean that. Performance golf is one of the great apps in the world. And it also noticed that. So it's on it, man. It knows what it's talking about. Yeah, we did that in the mountains.

Remember on the range? I was trying to get you to turn more. You use the app, put the same video I took into the app. same feedback. So I was impressed too. Like it. I like how it analyzes and shows you exactly and compares. So great app.

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I want to end this thing. I've been sitting on these pictures. I want to get another segment in before we end the show. I want to get one line. I want to end this show on a high with a nice picture segment. Richardson, you got that thing ready for me. All right.

So we did this last week and people liked the segment, luckily. And that was a lot of fun reading all the comments that people enjoyed this. And then we got a couple submissions for names. I think I might keep it as an unnamed segment. One of the names was fill in the moment. Or the next one was blind shot. I hate both of them. I kind of like both of them.

I think we're going to keep it as an unnamed segment. Really, if you're watching this for the first time you didn't see last week, I am going to be, speaking of AI, by the way, I used AI to create these photos to to eliminate the players that are in the pictures. But it's going to come back and kill us. going to literally do that. Literally going to come back and just eliminate us from our photos. I am showing photos to Trent Riggs and Kevin Kisner.

I was called you KFC and Kevin Kisner. And we are going to see if they can name this sports moment right here without the player involved. Okay. So you guys are seeing a picture. Can you name this moment without the player? You guys go ahead with number one. Riggs, you go ahead. It's St. Andrews, right, Riggs?

This is the 18th hole at St. Andrews. I'm pretty sure it's Tiger Woods winning in 2000, but it also, yeah, the only other one, well, let's see if it's that one. I have another guess, too, but I think it's that. That is incorrect. Yeah, I thought it was earlier than that. Okay. Then I would say it might be the, it might be the holeout from who. Who made Constantino Roca?

Yeah. Constantino Roca. Was that it? Is that as St. Andrews, though? Yeah, it was on the it was on the 72nd hole of St. Andrews. He made it from the Valley of Sin, but I don't know,

it doesn't appear to be it. Oh. Let's show him that photo. Let's bring those players to life here. Bang. John Daly. It was that year. It was when John Daly won.

That's insane. One of the great. golf photos of all time one of the greatest golf photos of all time look all the zoom in the 19th hole so if you're listening to this as a reminder please go over to the youtube show for about an hour and 30 something minutes in uh we are doing this segment where you're going to actually have to see the photos we're looking at a man's buttocks right now he's absolutely naked on the green you got john daily hugging hugging his lady and a naked guy running by with the 19th hole written on the back of his back that is an iconic shot it's outrageous how serene it looks without them in there

And then when you bring the players to the light, it's like chaos. Look at that. Just, oh, my God. All right. That was a good one. All right. Next one. This, um,

is that the security guard back there? I thought that was the guy chipping in the white shirt and black band. Is this the, is this the fill jump? You guys lock it in as a group. I don't think that's 18. Is it 18? No.

I feel like the people are closer on 18, aren't they? The trees are different. Oh, yeah. I don't think it's 18 either. Is this the... It looks like number three-ish to me for some reason. This isn't like the chip. This isn't the tiger chip, is it?

On 16. No. No, because there's no pin. Dang, this one's hard. Do you take the pen out, Frankie, or does the pen stay? The pin is... It was not in this photo. This is a huge, like, made putt, right?

Because everybody's hands are in the air. Dude, I think it's... I feel like it's the tiger chip in. On 16? Yeah. Yeah. What angle is the camera, though? Is this like...

I will say if it is that, it is an angle I've never seen before. I know. It has to be the ball going in the hole because everybody's going nuts like it wasn't like close to the hole. It's like win in the hole. Well, if it was that, you'd see the pin. This angle's different. I want to try the tiger chip in. I agree.

Rich and show him. Oh, wow. Wow. This was, I think this photo, like, won awards. It was on Sports Illustrated. It was the cover of magazines. Is that 18 green? I have this photo somewhere.

Yeah, must be. Tiger Woods, 2019, winning the Masters. Look at that. Yep. That was before Helene took all his trees down. That's why it's different. Isn't that amazing, though? We've seen that photo so many times.

That was on a magazine on my desk for four years in New York. It was a office. for sure. Yep. Now that might be a different angle. But like the moment, I mean, I actually think that might be the official one, but. Damn. Tiger, 2019.

All right. Next photo. Wow. Wow. When I tell you nothing came to mind. It's never been more true than right now. Is this happy Gilmore? What a call from rigs.

Dude, unbelievable. You're going to be. there you know i tried to sneak one in that's a really impressive i mean now that you see it it's obvious because it's just the coloring and everything i took everything out i took them holding up the Pepsi thing in the top corner i took everything you know i'm saying those don't look like real fans that's those are not those are fake fans right there that's what kind of put me off just absolutely duking it out with adam sandler wow okay that feels great hall rigs thank you all right next photo uh is this it Oh

Is that I mean we could talk You see that woman's middrift In the background Where their arms raised Yeah I don't know if that's AI Just adding a little bit of belly to her right there We'll have to see when the player is in front

If that was auto generated Because we'll have to send out an apology Is this the fill jump Trent? I think this one looks a lot more like it If I recall Yeah I'm with that Yeah

Show him the photo Bang No that was not edited That's belly for sure That's Belly for sure belly, dude. I don't remember that belly. Wow. All right. Good one there. Good one there, Riggs. Great job. Man, you love Augusta, huh? I know this one. I think I know this one, boys.

This one looks like the Adam Scott year. Adam Scott won. Yeah, it was raining out there. Wow. Well done, Riggs. That's fantastic. Really good. Because the rain. Umbrellas everywhere, dude. He won that. Look at that photo. Look at his muscles, dude. That's a bigger buyer than I would like. Dude, that's a that's when he was i mean he always looks good but he was like look at that outfit that sharp white with the gray after a couple of rocky beers man i'm absolutely looking at that good one rigs just brings no fire all right here we go i'm still pissed we got missed that first one oh fuck it's old oh boy i think i know this one i do know this one i know this one i think this is pain at Piner's.

Dude, Riggs is on absolute fire. Dang, that was before it was all sandy like it is now. Wow. I know that's a picture I've seen a trillion times. I knew that one. That's another rain one, there's not a ton in the rain. Oh, it's true.

Yeah. That was you can tell it's rain. Kind of messed up at the bottom of his foot there. I guess that was me. I guess I cut it off. Yeah, that was it. Do we have one more or is that was the whole thing? That was it.

That was it. That was it. All right. So well done, boys. Riggs. Riggs. Riggs carried us that. That was all Riggs segment.

I can't believe the one we missed was the iconic Tiger one of all the ones I thought we would get. That's like the best picture of all time. Look at this photo. That's a weird angle on 18 Green. I guess. I like I fucking have that magazine like right there. Yeah, it's interesting.

I said it last week, but you know, you did pretty well there. But we as sports fans, that's just, you know, I guess as humans that consume media, we are able to tell the moments. just based off of surroundings, colors. Like you guys immediately were able to tell what golf course it was based off of the trees. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly. I fucking have it.

It's crazy. Yeah. Now, the photo we showed you showed a little bit more of like the green. That's a little more zoomed in. Yeah, this one's a little more zoomed in, but it's still the same fucking people behind.

Same thing. You could do even do, I mean, definitely could do a general sports one. Yeah. I'm definitely going to start. I mean, we're running out of golf ones, right? So, like, at some point, we'll have to do that.

But the sports ones are hard. So I've tried to use some sport ones. Yeah, because, all right, like, I won't use this one. But, like, the, the Giants catch. What's his name? The helmet catch. The helmet catch. David, David Tyree.

David Tyree. Like, the Tyree catch. If I took David Tyree out of that, it's just like an angle from the end zone in a giant's in the, like, with giant stuff around. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. You're going to be like, that's the Giants catch.

Like golf, there's no markers for which tournament or year it is, unless you really, really love it. I see what you're saying. You're saying it'd be easier for it to do main sports. It'd be so easy, I think.

Yeah. I don't know, like if I showed you like the Muhammad Ali photo, it's just like it's a boxing ring. You're like, it's so obvious. Yeah. Golf is so much more detailed.

I feel like and harder to do. But I'll try. I mean, maybe I'll use this moment right now to have people comment or actually you'll have to DM me or whatever get get through to me what you think I should do what moments you think I should try and get these guys to guess by taking the player out but I might start doing movies I was going to reach out to Jeff D. Lo I might start doing movies love it's true yeah if you did uh you had a photo all of a sudden

it's like an ice rink a bunch of 1980s gear and like USA gear right you'd be like oh is that the miracle on I exactly yeah yeah it's hard really hard possibly possibly be Movies would be really tough. Yeah. Yeah. I got a question for you guys. Okay. Brought to you by Reese's, by the way.

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I had at Palmetto Golf Club yesterday, there were two hole and ones. Two. Wow. Two. Wow. Holy cow. I'm going to pull out a calculator. Yeah.

Like, I don't like, like the thing when you go, when you ask questions like this, I don't even know what the baseline is. So that's always the most embarrassing part. Because like, is it, is it 50,000? What we tell? A year. I think it's over that. I think it's under that. I'll give you this.

There's about, there's more than 500 million rounds of golf played annually in the United States. I'm going to say, I'm just going to start. And you guys can base your hands on it, but I'm willing to go first here. And I'm just going to say 78,000 holes in one. Wow. I took the over on 50, but I'm closer to like 60,000. I'm saying 37. thousand two hundred okay kids yeah i'm i'm in uh i was around 60 000 so i'll do uh 61 000 6194

ryan richardtian why don't you throw a guess in there unless you looked it up already i did not um i'm gonna go way higher i'm gonna say 95 000 a good estimate it says is roughly 130 000 to 145,000 holes in one per year in the United States of America. It says only about 1 to 2% of golfers make a one in any given year. The average ace maker has a 14 handicap and roughly 57% of aces are made by folks between a 10 and a 19 handicap. It says on any average day across the U.S., that's around 350. to 400 holes in one.

Wow. 356 holes in one a day. That should give people some confidence. Like get out there and be one of them. 356 people a day are celebrating a lifelong achievement. Some guys are getting two, I guess, in one day. But on average, 356 people a day. A day.

They're out there, man. They're out there. Go get them. Make an ace. We're on our way to Sabonik right now for an outreach. outrageous Barstu Classic. A top, you know, what is it, top 20 course in the world.

Yeah. Just an absolutely outrageous location. The weather could not be better here on Long Island. It's obviously a big moment to have one at Barstow Classic. I'm looking right now in my town, which is only 40 minutes away from that first tee, it's 69 degrees and slightly cloudy. I'm looking at blue skies right now.

It'll be even cooler out there. out east it's going to be like a 68 70 degrees look at that out here i'm like five minutes from the golf course 70 degrees and sunny god with that blue water coming right off that nice summer out there in the hamptons it is going to be perfect dude when we were out there in like late april early may and we would go into the halfway house and then they had a photos of what the course looks like when it's absolutely perfect, and that is right now. It's like the golden hue of the fescue mixed in with that, like, luscious green grass mixed into the background of the sound and the water and the beach.

It's like, God, that's going to be sick. Tomorrow we got, so we got two days and tonight, we've got a party, which like the party at Sabonic, when people have like, I think a handful of people have had a wedding there, Matt Martin and Sidney Assison being one of them, it's an outrageous feat to get your wedding at Sabonic. It's just the most picture perfect location you can possibly have, especially that back patio. That's where our party is tonight. It's basically like a mini wedding, right? There's hors d'oeuvres. There's food. There's drinks. We have the sunset. There's music being played. A whole, a closest to the pin. It's insane. And tomorrow for the

second day, we've got a group that consists of the New York Islanders, my father-in-law, Don Rowan, who hates the New York Islanders. And then draw rule is playing in the bars. Jarl rule. That should be fun. That should be fun. What my motherfoken name? Last year was Noah Khan this year, he got Jarl. You know, what?

What are you going to get out there at the Sabon? Every year at Sabonk, we'll throw a couple hundred million downloads on Spotify and your eyeball. That's just like, yeah, a couple of major recording artists. Speaking of which, I got to get the hell out of here, I got to get ready here. I got to get going. All right. That's a wrap. Great show today.

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