Fore Play - "Wait, starting at 10-under? So the TOUR Championship is changing into a full on clown show!?"

Episode Date: September 20, 2018

The PGA Tour dropped a bombshell this week and our crew is intensely divided on it. Frankie and Trent, anti-the clown show that will now be the starting at 10-under par TOUR Championship. Riggs loves it. What else could we be divided on? Bryson DeChambeau. He's spritzing his golf balls to simulate morning dew. Love it or hate it? Tons of news. Tons of From The Galleries. Tons of Ryder Cup excitement. Come talk some golf with us!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Porplay presented by Barstool Sports. A plus clap there, Trent Daddy. Thank you. Incredible. Thank you. I don't know if it's the setting we're in, but it just rang through the building.

I think it was a combination because some of your claps, they're half-assed. They are. That one was a really good clap. You connected and the acoustics in here off the charts. Yep. Good clap. going to be a good podcast. The acoustics in here remind me of like the Roman Coliseum.

They say that you could like yell from anywhere and everybody could hear it. Yes. You know what I'm saying? We are in the room that I mistakenly said the ceilings are 45 feet high. I still to this point, if I didn't get roasted for that, I would still hold that same idea that these are 40 foot ceilings. But I guess I'm just wrong. I mean, they're so. Look, I'm going to give it to you, Frankie.

They look tall. Okay. They look tall. My neck hurts just looking at that. But 40 is just. Yeah. But let me ask you this. Is it taller than the, um, the, the.

the ceiling upstairs on the third floor. It can't be, right? It has to be the same. I mean, it's not even taller than the room just outside this room. That's what I mean. You work all day. We walk around in a building just like this, on a floor just like this, and you were like 45.

It's because it's a small room. A small room with tall ceiling just feels like the ceilings are way taller. Fair. Is that? You think that's correct? That's a really good description of what I was going through my head. All right, good. Well, I'm glad we covered that.

We're probably going to bring it up every single podcast that Frankie did. Every time we're in here, how can you not bring that up? These, like, 15-foot ceilings. We have no headphones on, right? So it's just like, we're just shooting the shit, which we always do. But sometimes it just feels a little more formal. Yeah, so this is a, once again, this is a product of the fact that we have not even close to enough space. We only have one podcast studio, really, even though we have, I think, 20 podcasts at Barstool.

Yep. So as you can imagine. 38 podcasts. As you might imagine, the scheduling can be very difficult. And the fact that Frankie is, of course, Dave's guys, you've got to go to. where Dave goes, you guys might have had the busiest day in the history. Barstville content today. You guys did everything today.

We did so many shows today. It's just, it's absolutely insane what we have been doing this past. Just like even the month, ever since September hit. Football season is my hell. But this is my safe space. It is amazing to go from the dog days of summer to this. Dave just wasn't here for a month. That's like, that's a fact.

Dave was not here for all of July. He was out in Nantucket. We were all grinding here. We were working. He was working. He was sending me pizza reviews. It was a great, great experience, right? For a summer just like very leisurely.

It was lovely. Then like, NFL and college just like they kicked a football in the air. It was week one. And it's just like. And your life has not stopped. It caused me to move from my home. I'm now moving into the city. Yep.

Whatever happened from August 31st, right? There's 31 days in August. I always forget. Yeah, there is. August 31st, September 1st. It made me pick up my things and just move. from the house I've lived in for the past. Do you know the knuckle trick to count which months have 31 and which ones have 30?

No. If you put your knuckles facing away from you all side by side and then you just go one by one, you go obviously the first one is January, then February is less than 31, then March is 31, then April is 30, then May is 31, then June is less than July and August because you get back-to-back knuckle are both 31. Oh, shit. And then you go back to alternate. It's nice.

Wow. Yeah, it's a great trick. I learned that in like third grade. That's pretty good. Yeah. You learn something new every day. Yeah, that's huge. And you guys were busy today because you got to do...

We did the NFL Sports Advisor show, which was in the morning. It started like 930 all the way until whatever. Because that's just a crazy show. Stu Feiner, Dave, you know, high-powered people. That's the one where they build a whole new office in our office. They're taking it down right now. Upstairs. Yep.

That's why we're downstairs because they take it down upstairs. They literally build a new office for us and then they take it down. And then the next week. they build a whole new officer. Remember the first week? Can you imagine that job? It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Well, the first week they did it,

they scheduled the building of the set during the middle of the day. Now they're smartly doing it in the middle of the night. The first week, they did it in the middle of the day. You legit couldn't hear the person next year. Set building's a whole other world. We have a great job.

I can't imagine being a set builder is the best job in the world. You're like, you're literally building offices taking them down. I mean, today we went to another shoot, which I'm going to get to. So we did that show. Then we did the after show.

Then we did the college pick them. Then we did the rundown. There was a rap battle. It was crazy. Then we do a pizza review. Then we go do our college show, which is at another studio. We usually do it at this one studio, but because we have pop punk tomorrow or tonight when this comes out, everyone, if you're listening to this in the morning and you're in the Boston area, come to

pop punk. Yes. You're going to be the drummer. I'm going to be the star drummer. I'm just going to be drumming. It's just a second live show. Yeah, it's crazy. So anyway, we show up to a new studio day for the college show, and the set was just picked up and

brought to this one. I looked around. I'm like, you should have seen this. It was one of those studios you see in a movie where it's just like a massive room. It's like a big just room. Like probably could have recreated the Titanic in there if you would have brought everything in there. And then just a little mini studio just plop to the middle. I like looked around.

I'm like, did you guys just pick this up with a crane and just like drop it here? And they're just like, you don't even know what has to go into us. I'm like, okay. So we complain about stuff here, but I mean, there are some crazy jobs out there. So anyways, in the midst of all of that, we have golf, a ton of golf. stuff going on. Golf is spewing out the top of my head, even with all this stuff going on. There's so much golf news coming out.

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So go to tithelisk.com slash four. We've got a ton to get to. We have got the Tour Championship. It's starting, it is this week, this weekend. When this comes out, it'll already be going on. A lot of news coming out of this. First of all, the PGA Tour dropped the bomb yesterday, that they are going to indeed do this amazing, staggered scoring situation.

What's going to happen is the leader going into the final event. There's only going to be three events next year that are considered playoff events. The leader is going to start the tournament at 10 under par. Second place, guys, is going to be eight under par. Third place, seven under par. Fourth place, six under par. Fifth place, five under par. And then you kind of have bracketed from there.

You've got five guys that are four under five guys that are three under five guys, two under five guys, one under five guys and even par. The winner of that tournament just wins everything. Now, when you say amazing, you mean amazing in a bad way, yes? No, I love it. You do. You flipped on it. Oh, I love it.

How or why? Because it is so incredibly stupid that it's smart. Right. It's genius. It's also, it's genius in the sense that it's got all of the golf purists are losing their mind. They cannot believe the fact that someone is going to begin a golf tournament at 10,000, and that if they win that tournament, it counts as an official win.

They get official world golf ranking points for that win. They get everything that comes with a win. It's an official win. Listen, starting the golf tournament, I have never been kindred spirits. I've never been kindred spirits with a golf purist. I don't think that's what we are on this show. But I am kindred spirits with them if they didn't give this as a crazy move.

Because I'm stunned that it's still a thing that's happening. We're now entering a new era of golf, right? Like, every sport has eras. and like the baseball, like you can't compare stats from one error to another. Everyone's always, like me with Wayne Gretzky in hockey, you can't compare.

Like now, if a guy just wins a tournament by starting at minus 10, how can you ever compare that to a guy who won a tournament who started at nothing? How can you ever compare it? What do you mean?

Because if Dustin Johnson starts a tournament, there is a because. He just wins. No, because it's not, you're doing this thing in your brain where Dustin Johnson starts 10 strokes ahead of the entire field. That's just not the case. It's staggered.

Okay, so if you have the best season and you are leading up to that point, you get a reward. That reward is you start the tournament 10 under par. There's still a ton of, like, think about how different and unique that pressure is with that now. Like, you're starting the tournament 10 under par. It's like this weird, fucking unheard of bizarre feeling of like, well, shit, I better win this tournament. I'm 10 under par on the first team. But don't you feel like he's not starting 10 under par against everybody, but he is starting 10 under par against some people.

The people in the back of the pack, I get that if you don't have as good a season, you don't get the advantages of having, you know, 10, 8, 9 under. But for the people who are that far back at the beginning of a tournament, they got to feel like real assholes. Like, why am I even here? Yes and no, because no in the sense that making the Tour Championship, which is what Keegan Bradley was talking about last week on our show, he was like, dude, I almost wanted the BMW to finish after 54 holes because that meant I was into the Tour

Championship. And getting into the Tour Championship, you're into all the majors, you're into the WGCs, you're guaranteed like three or four hundred thousand dollars and it's a huge huge thing to just get in so getting in is a massive thing the other point is like winning a tournament or starting a tournament at turn or par i love it because it's just ridiculous that is preposterous we agree on that but i you are viewing that in a positive light i am viewing that ridiculousness in a negative light i'm not also because it's it's it's unique it's crazy unique it's going to i'm also viewing it from the scope of like it's it's it's genius for the pga tour therefore i have to respect it and like it

because they're going they drummed up like a year's worth of controversy now which is great why would you not want yeah no like no publicity is bad publicity i think this is bad publicity the how are you going to be like well i'm not watching that because he started at 10 no but it's oh you're going to tune in and be like this is ridiculous it's like a circus show it's like all right well some guys get they can play the up t's other guys can play the back tees like where is it fucking end it is a circus show i I agree. I like that it's a circus show. They play, what, 40 tournaments a year?

And we always like when some of them have a little bit different of a wrinkle. This wrinkle is that it's a bit of a clown show. One guy starts 10 under bar. It's a huge wrinkle. We like the Zerat Classic because it's a team event. We don't like... We don't even love the Zerick that much. No, we got in trouble down there.

And the walk-up music that needs some work. Correct, but that's what I mean. That's a circus show. We hate that, too. Their walk-up music, like, it's a good idea in things. And this 10-100 part thing is not a good idea in theory. But the walk-up music we thought wasn't is a disaster. This is going to be disaster.

I think it's what Frankie's saying, where it's going to be, people are going to look down. Like, if they win this event, they're going to be like, it's, yeah, that didn't count. Right. Why would you ever let that happen? Look, they were faced. Okay, look at it from their vantage point. They're faced with an issue of everyone's doing these stupid calculations. Nobody knows where anybody stands.

And therefore, it takes a bit away from both things. It's taken, like on Sunday of the conclusion of the Tour Championship, it's taken away a bit from the FedEx Cup and that like people can't really follow exactly who's leading after every birdie. And it takes away a little bit from the Tour Championship and that like Xander Schofley won the Tour Championship last year. But nobody really like knows or cares about that because JT won the whole FedEx Cup. This clears up all of that.

Would you hate this idea? Why not? Just only allow 10 people to play into the Tour Championship and then whoever wins that just wins. Why not just let a top 10's not enough, right? Like this is, it's all about, it's always all about ratings and drawing and crowds. And you don't draw those, like the, when you eliminate, right? If you get down to 10, like, then Tiger wouldn't be in the field this week.

You get all these people that wouldn't be in the field this week. Like Phil wouldn't be, like these guys wouldn't be here. Just sucks that because the general public can't follow through what, like, clearly is going to be in graphics and like all the commentators are going to be saying it. And you spend a whole entire year getting up to this point. Like, they're just going to create a concept. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying they're trying to simplify the process so people get it. People watching aren't like, why do I need to calculate to figure this out?

But if the solution to that is, we're going to start one person at 10 under part and then bracket the rest, that's just not the answer. You have to think they went through all the solutions, right? I have to think that they did. Yeah, they said this was like Jay Monahan said they started this process in like 2015. Right. Which is like you were in high school, right? Well, no. That was a little, that was mean.

No, I was. What year did you go to a high school? 2011. That was a, that was a. Not even close. That was a Frankie has a little boy. That's a pizza boy reference. But it's almost, okay.

That was a cheap shot. Yeah. So they went through all these solutions. And the fact that this is the best one they come up with, you got to blow up the whole thing then. It's like, well, I even have it.

Right. You don't think starting a guy 10 under bar is not blowing up the whole thing. It certainly feels like it. You know what? You want to know something? They've lost control of the tour championship. They've completely lost fucking control. They really have.

I'm stunned. Because remember when they put the. this out they were like we're going to do this maybe and we're like oh they're just gauging public interest giving them so much like um we were we were gassing them up just a couple weeks ago we were saying how they've done such a great job with the fedex cup they make it like really cool and they make us like really into these final tournaments of the year and now it's just like grab your tickets and come so you're not going to be into you're not going to be into the torchette i'll be into it you're talking to the wrong people though like we are obviously going to be into it we're going to watch it no matter

well but for people who are going to be like wait the tournament just started why is dustin johnson 10 under like what's going on you then they're going to have to explain it to people and people i guarantee you're going to be like this is fucking stupid but when their ratings kick in is on the weekend and when people kick in when they turn on the tv on the weekend all they're going to see is like DJ 17 under a couple guys are at 15 and it just looks like a golf tournament instead of like well this is where he's out of the fedex cup versus where he's out of the tour championship and if this guy and this other people tie for 30 seconds it's just like Okay, so whoever's in second starts like eight under.

Yeah. I mean, it's not the, it's, it is the, it would be, coming around. It would be absurd. It's not. Come on, Trent. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just processed.

This is what's great about foreplay. This is what's great about foreplay. You know, we're just a couple guys talking. I'm just, I'm just processing information as I would, you know, hanging out, just out of bar right now. I'm not, I'm not set in stone with anything I say. I'm going. I'm a wheel, baby.

I'm turning. If it was like DJ started at 10 in the, next person started at zero, then it would be ridiculous. But what I'm saying... What I'm saying is, like, I understand that they had to have gone through every avenue. They've had to have seen every single option. This has to be the only one. I think it's ridiculous.

I think they're making a mockery out of it. But it has to be the only option for people to... It's also crazy. They're doing it for the championship event of the year. The championship. It's the final. It's like a Super Bowl. How much money do you win?

A better record that year? It gets 25 points. And don't you wait $10 million? like how much more don't you win you win 10 million if you win the whole thing like like if you're giving away when they experiment with the zero classic they're like all right that's like this event needs like some momentum it needs a joke right the tour championship doesn't need a 10 and a project

it's like starting the world series even though it's not to the point of the world series it's like starting the world series with a team up one nothing right and you're going to have if DJ if he but it's different in that there's a whole field of guys and you're going to have right like this one it would be you'd have like DeCambeau at 10 under and then you'd have like DJ at eight and a couple of guys like starting the tournament like that and that and like or you'd have like guess you'd have I don't know exactly who they got how they line up but you'd have like right now you'd have like DeCambeau at 10 under like Justin Rose at eight under DJ at like seven under that's

not the tournament's not over you still have like the stars at the top that's another thing that probably weighing is that like this almost this significantly increases the chances that on Sunday at the tour championship they have like a handful of stars in the mix 100% that That is true, but that it seems. Why does a guy like Tiger Woods even, did you? Why does that guy, like Tiger Woods even show up to that tournament? He's going to get a 10-stroke deficit in four days. Do you know how epic of a story would be?

Tiger started 10-strokes back and won the golf tournament. Whatever. He's won tournaments by 10-strokes before. I'm going back and forth like this. I'm flipping this thing like a pancake maker. I feel like I'm at eye-hop right now. I don't know what to think. Every word that comes out of rigs his mouth, I think another way.

Start a guy with a 10-shot lead. DJ could finish like 28 under for the tournament. Yeah, that's going to be wild. And like you said with the baseball stuff, like, what are they just not going to count those tournaments if he goes like really low and breaks some sort of record? That's another thing. What if he now finishes with a four-day low? What are they going to say? Right.

New tour of a record. He's 40 under bar. What a joke. And there'd be like, but he only made 30 birdies? It's weird. Yeah, it seems like a short-term solution to a problem that people are going to be like, why are we doing this? It generated headlines. It's going to generate controversy.

It's going to generate interest. In my opinion, it's going to increase the chances that they have a bunch of stars in the mix down the stretch, and it's going to eliminate the confusion around two different tournaments going on at the same time. This is what they came up with. It is a little clown showy. It's ridiculous, but I like it. Yeah, I was actually going to say it's kind of like the, I was going to be completely wrong. I was going to say it's a specification like of America where it's like they're doing it,

but it's actually the exact opposite. Right. They're rewarding. They're rewarding the person is just like better than everyone. Big time. of like that. This would be like if they were starting 30th place. Significantly rewarding.

Like, hey, you didn't do well enough like all year. Like you get completely fucked. Yeah, it is the opposite of the plusification. They have also introduced the Wyndham Awards, which is basically they're rewarding the best regular season. So I think it says. A hardware. $10 million bonus pool will be based on the regular season performance with the number one player on the points list after the Wyndham championship, the final regular season event, earning two

billion dollar bonus and they're increasing the prizes in addition to the format changes to the tour championship and regular season race uh commissioner montahan announced that the fedex cup bonus pool will increase up to 60 million with the champion will receive a 15 million dollar bonus for winning the tour championship so it's not even 10 like you're talking about wow like the number one guy will start at 10 under bar and he gets 15 million if you win and then am i reading that correctly the number one guy he'd also get two million dollars on top of that because of he's number one in the regular season well that's if he's number one like bryson didn't finish the regular season at number one gotcha you know what I'm saying yeah so they like reiss right they reset all the rankings going into the federal cup playoffs yeah

okay okay um speaking of de chambo oh this could get ugly this could really get up we've got some more storylines to talk about with our guy bryson um what else is riggs is already smiling I know. So he, I know what I'm going to say. I love how in the notes, right, we have all this shit. It's just like Bryson.

Like usually Riggs gives us a ton of just like information. Literally there's words everywhere and then there's just a huge space in between Bryson. And then whatever's next. Yeah. No, I've got a bunch of stuff in there for Bryson. Oh, there we go.

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He's on the range. I think it was Sean Martin from the PGATor tweeted it out. Bryson is using two launch monitors, hitting brand new balls straight out of the box. someone scrubs his club face before every shot, then spritses the ball with water to simulate morning dew. How do you say that with the straight face? I mean, you don't. You're literally laughing right now.

You're laughing out loud. Because you and I already had a 15-minute knock-down, drag-out, off-camera, off-microphone, off-podcast, debate over this yesterday. I couldn't even go eat my lunch because we were debating so intensely about it. Now, what you go. I'm going to say, and our good friend Uncle Chaps agrees with me. He was tweeting about it. today. This is a no-brainer. Why would you not do this? If you want to understand, you want to gain a competitive advantage, you want to know if you're playing in the morning and you have

morning due or if you're just playing in a more moisture-filled environment than other days, why should you just guess? Why should you just blindly guess how it's going to affect your ball rather than spritz your ball, Frankie? Okay. Spritz your ball. Check it on the track, man, and know exactly how different it is from spritz to non-sprits. Here's my problem with it. You ready for this? I don't like Bryson DeCambeau. That's a fact.

Anything he does will be escalated in my mind. If he does the same exact thing that Tiger Woods would do, Tiger Woods is my favorite, Bryson DeChambo, my least favorite. If he does the same thing, I will hate what he does more than I hate what Tiger does. That's just what's in my brain. I can't change it, right?

I don't know what it is. Actually, I do know what it is. He's an asshole, right? That's my opinion. I think he's an asshole. You're blinded about hate. Everything he does. seems just calculated to me.

And why do I think that? Because he is the scientist. Why would he not calculate the way he is perceived in the public if he calculates the way the ball moves as he hits it on a dry range with a spritz ball from his friend who's spritzing the ball, scrubbing his club face, patting him on the back, and he's launching all these monitors around? Why wouldn't he calculate the way he looks and is perceived by the world?

That's just my opinion on how he goes to the time. Do you not calculate the way that you look? But I just think, I think everyone does, but I think what he does is just so in our face. He is the only person we've ever seen. I said this to him yesterday. He didn't tweet this out. This is just a reporter. But he's bringing a water bottle onto a driving range.

How else are you supposed to understand how the moisture effect? No, but what I would say to that is that, yeah, he went out to the driving range and no, he didn't tweet that out from at Brise and Deschambeau on Twitter. But he knows people are going to be watching him on the range. He's a professional golfer, Trent. What do you expect? Do you, you would, like, you expect him to go to a. private like force down the track I'm not saying on the range he's trying to figure

how the dude's going to affect it naturally he puts ball water on the ball and test it we're saying and what I'm saying is that maybe he's not entirely looking into what the do is going to do to the ball correct maybe he's out there because he brought the water bottle out he knows people are going to watch it and

people are going to be like oh that's the scientist doing scientists things and what I said and this is what frankie and I got into yesterday is that that goes into this whole notion that you guys are behind the spin that Bryson only does these things because he wants his image to be that he's the scientist. What I'm saying is clearly he does these things because he wants to get better and he wants

to win as proven by the fact that he's gotten better and he's fucking winning. You don't think anything in his head goes into like what can we come up with this week? You don't think ever get better. That's what he's, what can we come up with? He's like, we're going to bring a fucking spray gun out there and we're going to spray this ball. Like at this point it's getting ridiculous. It's a clown show.

He's doing it. Bryson and the Tour Championship deserve each other. He's the main act. And it works perfectly that he's number one right now. I would have loved for the circus show to be this year because he would be the main act. Like first he had the pro tractor out on the course. He got like banned for that, got tons of headlines. He knows he looks like an asshole there.

Right. Second, he was that Carnusti freaking out on the range. Like a mad scientist would. Like I'm trying to perfect my swing. And now we've got him with a little spritz bottle on the range. I'm with you. He might like be trolling. and he's going to bring out something even crazier next week.

He's not trolling. This is just what he does. This is who he is. He's trying to get better. He does these crazy different things. He doesn't, like, do you think he just plays single-lane clubs because he thinks it'll get headlines? No, he does it because he genuinely thinks it will increase the consistency of his game and

make him the best player he can be. And this adds to that. That is why he's an asshole, though. He's testing this stuff. Do you think there'll be another professional golfer now that will test how their shots change with moisture on the ball with the morning dew? that wouldn't have done it if Bryson hadn't done it? Can we talk about the morning due for a second?

When's the first tee time of this next tournament coming up? At the Ryder Cup, it's really early. Okay, but we're talking about like he's doing it at this range, which the first tea times at like noon. He's taking morning due. He's taking, first of all, he answered those questions and a follow up today to the same guy in a press conference who he basically said, look, it wasn't just about the morning due.

It's also about the fact that a couple weeks ago when we played, we played with heavy, heavy moisture because it was raining. so badly. I didn't play well, so I wanted to understand how the moisture affects my ball. And was he spraying underneath his feet? Like, was he practicing on standing? I don't know, Frankie. I wasn't there. No, he wasn't. Maybe he's not like

thinking it all the way through. He's not the mad scientist pouring water all over his head and buckets. If he really wanted to see how the moisture was going to go, he would have like a sprinkler head on top of him and he'd be playing in the rain, right? He's like doing this weird shit to get like people going nuts. It's not raining on you when you play in morning dew, Frankie. It's just

like you get dew on your golf ball. But it's not going to... What I'm saying is, like, if you really want to simulate how it is to hit Morning Dew, you would be standing on top of Morning Dew, you'd be taking practice things in MorningDoo. He was just spraying a golf ball. Maybe he was spraying his shoes. I don't know. I wasn't there. That would be part...

That would be even more ridiculous. Right. But seeds? You can't have it both ways. You can't be like... He should be doing that, but also that would be ridiculous. The fact that we know all of this, I understand that you're saying he's the only person to be doing this, right? He's a revolutionary weirdo.

My words, not yours, but that's what you're alluding to. he is letting us always just see these quirky little things and I know for a fact I agree with you that other guys are doing this type of weird shit how come Bryson is the only one every single week we're talking about his weird shit why do we know the names of his irons why do we know that he even has things like why do we know all this because he's winning golf tournaments but he wasn't winning golf tournaments when we knew this he made him and he wasn't under as big of a microscope but he also know about him because he's more interesting because he doesn't

does weird shit. That's why we talk about him. Do you want these cookie cutter vanilla guys that we talked about two days ago? No, we don't. We want somebody that's interesting that gets talked about. There's a reason everything he does makes a headline. That's because he's fucking fascinating. He's a scientist.

I said this to you yesterday when we got into that argument. I said that I don't think him sinking putts or putts rimming out. Like let's say he finishes in second in a tournament. We're never really talking about him because he's winning all this time. Let's say he just finished in second all these times. Like because the putts are falling and he's winning, now all of a sudden he's supposed to be cool and awesome because he's winning, but when he was losing, he was like this not under the microscope.

No, one thing that we were very annoyed about, which was last year we were doing the podcast, was that stupid Microsoft commercial. Yes. Where he, right when he kind of turned pro and he was like playing in every tournament, he missed every cut in the stupid Microsoft commercial of him with like the hangover type calculations going around at this chalkboard were going on and he was missing every cut. That's when it was really annoying because it was like, all right, this like scientist gig clearly it's not working, therefore we don't want it shoved down our throat.

When it's working, it becomes much more legitimized. I can't separate it to that. I see, I think I can. Let me say this. Like, I'm more on your side because I do think he's an asshole. But the more he wins and that really makes it all fall apart. Thank you. At the end of the day, once I saw him winning and I still in my heart of hearts hate the guy,

that just means I don't like it. But he's still the same person we hated when he was in that commercial. He's still doing the same things. But because the putts weren't falling. at that moment does not mean he wasn't trying or that he wasn't playing well. He just wasn't playing well in a tournament. But there was more, but there was more justification for the theory that he's just doing this stuff to get

attention to be an asshole because it's not working. Whereas now it's like, well, actually, he's doing this shit to get better because he's gotten better and he's winning doing it. I think he's gotten better and he's winning doing it just because he's becoming a better golfer. And I think if he would have been missing all these cuts, he still would be spraying his golf ball with water. Yes, he would, but it would be a.

it would be a much harder convincing to me that, like, he's doing that for a genuine, legitimate reason. Because he's not getting any better and he sucks, whereas that didn't happen. Now he has gotten better. He's winning golf tournaments. Therefore, he wants to continue to get better and try to increase his competitive advantage by spruiting his golf tournament. I guess it's harder for me to put into where, like, when I, when I have to have an out loud argument about it, as opposed to just looking at it and fucking hating it, I guess there are arguments to be made on your side. Like, he is getting better.

He's doing this to get better, right? He's doing this to win a golf tournament, which he is. But he's still an asshole. Right. That's where I land on it. You guys just don't like him. You're blinded by hate. It's sad.

He's just, I look at him like that motherfucker. That's what I say. Every time, look at him. Look at him, I say. You would be,

it's fitting that you, your title of this driver, you posted with the Darth Vader music, because you would be turned to the dark side so easily because you're blinded by hate. Well, no, like, I, if we're going to be honest, I think that you changed your take on it because you met him for 15 seconds.

It wasn't 15 seconds. All right. It's been hung out from 15 or 25 seconds. 15 minutes. Couple of things. One, when I did meet him, that's why you're on the ground, that's why you have boots on the ground. I found him to be insanely more genuine than I thought he was. He's interacting with the fans.

I've talked about all those things. He did. When you chirp people from afar and you have these theories that we discussed that he was just doing all this insane scientist stuff to build this brand or whatever, and he wasn't very genuine about it. When I was there and we walked up on him on the range, and he was literally the only guy on the range, not a single camera around until we walked up at the end of his range session, it became clear. He was only doing it to get better. He was having a great time with the fans that were behind him.

There were no other cameras around, and it was very convincing to me. And when the guy gives me the time of day, I am more inclined to like them. I think he got caught in the trap. I think he has everything calculated. Oh, and right after we met, he just started winning playoff events left and right. So maybe I'm more convinced that he has a legitimate theory. I think you're on a very big Bryson high and you're blinded by this whole experience. He and Tiger are boys and going to play together next week, which leads me to my next point,

Wait, so you see this little quote that he put up on his own Instagram from Bryson himself. You're going to love this one, Frankie. It's a picture which comes with an Instagram story video of him and Tiger on the practice screen. And it says, Tiger and I were discussing neck movement and how it sets up to your perceived equilibrium when putting more in my stories if you're interested. So he posted this. He posted this on his Instagram. That's an asshole move to say like the words equilibrium. What tiger?

We just admitted before that if I see Tiger just something like this, it's like expected. Tiger is a machine. Tiger is like Darth Vader. He's walking out there. He's going to get every advantage on how to win. We don't really see that stuff. The only time we see Tiger working on his equilibrium is if someone like Bryson Dishambeau has to go out and gloat about working on his equilibrium. That's exactly.

That's the only time we see this. Like you just said, maybe there are people out there who are spraying their golf balls with morning dew. I've been saying that the whole time. But we don't see it until a guy like Bryson is like, look at me. I'm doing this. No. Because I'm different and interesting. 150 people around them on.

You guys don't understand. We would not have known about that. Trent is standing right now. Every guy that plays a practice round or a real round with Tiger Woods posts about it. When Austin Cook played around with Tiger Woods, it took a whole fan with his picture, a whole picture with his family and posted a big thing about it afterwards about how much it meant to him.

Bryson, this is Bryson's version of that. Here's me and Tiger doing my weird fucking scientist shit that I do. That's Bryson giving out Tiger trade secrets, and Tiger should fucking put him as an outcast and never talk to him again. Maybe. But my point is that it's a genuine trade secret then. You're admitting it's a genuine trade secret. When you meet Tiger Woods and I get that that's a big deal for a lot of players,

then you take a picture and you put on Instagram, oh my God, I can't believe you got to play with this guy. You don't go, here's the ins and outs what talks about. Because he knows his brand. Bryson knows his brand. His brand is being this cocky, no it all. I figured out golf. I'm not taking pictures of Tiger Woods.

I'm working on my neck movement and my equilibrium with Tiger Woods. It's perceived equilibrium with the neck movement. My perceived equilibrium when putting more stories, more in my Instagram stories. He's just, he's a scientist whore. And that goes against what you say where he didn't bring the camera. He didn't tweet about bringing out the water bottle. He did put out the neck equilibrium and stuff because he... When Kent Henley was in Tiger, he's talking about like, who knows what he was talking about?

He's like he was just a great guy. He knew my name. When this guy is with Tiger Bryson, they're talking about the person. perceive equilibrium when putting. He knows his brand. He knows his brand. He knows his brand to me is that it's so clear that you just don't like this type of stuff from Bryson because you don't like Bryson.

Tiger's been doing this for decades. Tiger talks about trudge. Tiger talks about his glutes activated and all this weird stupid shit. Right. And that's my point is that you just don't like the way he doesn't. Right. That's what I'm saying. You're just blinded by the hatred that you have for Bryce.

It's the way he does it. Tiger doesn't go on the T-box and have a glute machine. Right? Tiger goes out, plays out. a whole entire tournament. At the end, he's like, my fucking glutes weren't activated. Like, that's not what Bryson does. Bryson goes on the T-box. Bryson goes on the driving range, and he makes us all just look at him.

He's the freak show. He makes us watch him. Tiger isn't there getting his glutes smacked around by like a therapist on the T-box. I wish he was, because that would be awesome. I'd pay for something like that. Me too. They could make PGA Tour Live $150 to watch Tiger get his ass slapped on the first T-box on a chiropractic table, and I would fucking pay for it.

Yeah, definitely. He doesn't. You are just... He's an machine. He's an athlete. We get it. He's not a nerd. You guys hate Bryson D. Shambo.

I get it. I do hate Bryson D. Shambo. We're never going to come to term. We're never going to agree on this. I know who Bryson D. Chambo is and I don't like it. Brison D. Shambo, in my opinion. He just brought you in and was like, I'm going to suck you in. It's like, I'm trying to think of a computer thing.

Like, you were the floppy disc and he inserted. You were inserted in him. He's just a genuine guy trying to get better in his craft and you just don't like him. You never have. you'll never be able to get over. I'm fine with saying I don't like him. I think that's a perfectly fine thing to say. I'm 25 years old and I was born in 19-30.

I'm like, why was floppy disk the first thing? You just made a floppy disk. I could have said any of ever seen a plot. I could have. Have you once held a floppy disk? I have in like middle school. You're a liar. No, I have.

I have. But why is that the first thing that came to my mind when thinking about computers? I have a fucked up brain sometimes. We also got big news. Tiger Woods off probation early. Okay. Oh. A month early.

If I had my hands. hands I would clap. Yeah. No. Huge for our guy. Tiger Woods' year-long probation stemming from last year's year-long probation stemming from last year's DUI, which we don't talk about, has been terminated a month early.

He's free. Fuck the Jupiter Police, FYI. According to, well, just because they. They released everything and didn't, you know. Well, they just, they just arrested. They're on the list. They're on our list. They're on our list. They're on our list of people to relentlessly mock when Tiger

wins. 100%. Jupiter police are right up there at the top. According to Sam Smirk of W. W. Woods, 42, who's left off probation early for successfully completing all regular and special conditions of his probation after pleading guilty to your regular driver okay so bottom line great news for tiger

probation early been behaving really well getting all this stuff done getting all this ducks in order taking care of his business love to see that love to see that also i got a tip from our guy hubs who is our yankees blogger shout out hubs who said in cleveland for a few days the hotel shuttle driver's name i have is tiger I mean, who the hell's name is Tiger? You just, if you can't have the name Tiger. He must say his name is Tiger to everyone that gets on the bus. When he's playing well, he says his name's Tiger.

I just can't see someone naming their son, Tiger. No, absolutely not. Tigers didn't even get named Tiger. You don't have Eldrick. So anyways, if you're a gambler out there, maybe that's a tip. Maybe that makes you think, I don't know. I might throw some extra coin on it because that's just a weird coincidence. And you're always looking for something.

Trent Daddy, Pauline Gretsky. Oh, yeah. Another update. So last night, Gail- Wait a minute. What if Tigers were waiting to win until he was off probation

because he didn't know, like, if he wanted to celebrate after or something? I do believe it said he, like, wasn't... Or like maybe the government gets a part of his money, right? Like, something crazy happened. He's been like, he's been right there

and then he's been falling back a little bit. He was subject to random drug and alcohol testing under the program. So now that maybe he's off probation, time to go win. You don't think that if he wins the PJ, You don't think if he wins the tour championship, he's going to be pop a

Champagne? Pop on the plane. Boomero said. Romero. Oh, he'll pop on the plane. Yeah, pop it on the plane. Sip it. Tiger Woods, bro?

He's pretty. You think he's cut in dry now? I think he's pretty, well, I'm saying, going to the rider cup, he's cut and dry. He wins the tour championship. You don't think he's sips down champagne? I think him and the group. Are you crazy right now? I think him and the girl have a few drinks.

I don't know. Tiger Woods here. There's no limit to what this guy has. Yeah, but there are those stories from Haney's book, The Big Miss, when Ewan was all jacked up and was like, we're going to have a huge party after Tiger won like the Masters. And Tiger responded like, this isn't yes for part of it. We expect to win, relax, Elon. He's changed, though, over the years. He's softened.

I think he would have a couple glasses of champagne if he won the Tour Championship. It spends a long. Light transfusion and Arnold Palmer. Look, I think if he won a major, it's a lock. I think winning the Tour Championship, which you've already deemed a Clown Joe, the week before the Ruff. the week before the Rider Cup or four days before the Rider Cup, I don't know if he's like boozing. All right.

Well, Pauline Negretzky. Oh, yeah. So last night, gambling websites put up a prop bet for the Ryder Cup. It said, will Pauline Grretzky be alongside the rest of the wives at the Ryder Cup opening ceremony? I put in my blog. I thought that was kind of a dirt dog move for gambling sites to put that up. It's just kind of mean. What's the number?

So yes is plus 180 and no is minus 270. You guys Where would you guys place your wager? Let me say this for the next part Before we talk about wagers on that And then today Paulian Negretzky Put up a Instagram story That was pretty cryptic

She was laying in bed Appeared to be naked The song that was playing was I'd be jealous too by Justin Lynch I just got the chill She was not wearing her ring And I did a little investigative journalism Because when you Instagram story yourself

And when you flip the camera around It makes everything a mirror effect So the picture ultimately at first looks like it's her right hand that is visible and that the left hand is holding the phone but it's actually the opposite so her left hand is visible no engagement ring and I asked a couple of girls around the office

shout out to Erica and Ria CEO yeah I asked I did the investigative journalism in her office and I asked them what does it look like she probably had made herself up before she took this picture and they said 100% she's fully makeup eyeliner something she got out of bed put on makeup got back into bed

Took her ring off. Decided not to either didn't put the ring on or didn't have it on and decided to take the picture and put up a song that's an I'd be jealous. Or there's another option. Okay. She, somebody could have like sexed her up and then she was just all makeuped up after that in bed. Could be that too. You know what I'm saying?

But what if someone took the video over and it wasn't flipped her out? No, it was very clear. It was. It's very selfie style. I haven't seen it. So last night when I blogged the the gambling prop bet site put up this, this prop bet. I said that I thought Pauline was going to be at the Ryder Cup. I thought they would like, I thought they're probably trying to work through it

and they'd want to put on a good face for the public so she would show up. Now after that Instagram story today, I think there's no way she's showing up to the Rider Cup. I don't know if we'll ever see them together again. Palena is a superstar, right? We saw her at the U.S. Open. Superstar. She was more of a superstar. I mean, Dustin was literally going to try and win the U.S. Open.

He was like in the final group, right, at the time? Yeah, we were. And she was taking more. People were looking at her in the crowd more than they were watching him put. Yes. She's a star. So you think about the Rider Cup and in France. It's like she wants to go take her Instagram pictures out there.

I thought it would be a lock that she would be there. I'm torn. What were the odds again? Yes is yes that she'll be there is plus 180 and no is minus 270. So no is the favorite. I would take no. I think no is a heavy favorite. No is now that Instagram wasn't that?

That's what I mean. It was like Dustin something was the guy's name? Dustin Lynch, it's some country artist. I mean, you look at the lyrics of the song and it's not great for a relationship. Not a healthy relationship at least. That's the most cryptic. shit I've ever heard of my entire life. It's tough. That's so thought out.

It's crazy. I know. The guy's name who's singing is Dustin. If anything, I will say this. And the song's called, like, you're jealous. I'd be jealous, too. I legitimately, I'm going to wager in head-to-head matchups this week against Justin Johnson. So unbelievably. He's rattled. There's no

way you can play golf with that. No. I'd be jealous, too, with your hot-ass ex-fiancee, potentially laying in bed, like, with some other Dustin singing in her ear. What do you? What? It's not good. It's not good. So I, like I said, I'd be, at this point, I'd be shocked if they're ever seen together again.

Unless it's like passing the kids back and forth. I wouldn't say ever again, but it's, Ryder Cup seems too close. Frankie has a good point. Paris. She's kind of an Instagram model. You don't think she wants to go to Paris? I know she does. She definitely wants to go.

Maybe she'll just be near Paris and not even like be in Dustin's corner. What if they're so, like, in such a bad place right now that she shows up just to fuck with them. Right, because then, but the betters wouldn't know. So even if she's there. people like, oh, they're there together, but she's just there. He said to the first tee and he just looks over and she's just staring at them. They're definitely like not together. That Instagram post today is like they are, they're on the outs.

Is part of you happy that they're not together, trip? No, not really. Well, you never know. I feel like I sort of, I obviously didn't cause it, but the breaking of her deleting all the pictures. Quick question before we move on to the next topic, if she announces at some point that she is single, will you shoot your shot? No.

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All the listeners have been on fire. I don't know if we gained a bunch of active listeners in the last couple months, but our from the gallery submissions are awesome. I combed through them. We've got a ton of good from the gallery's submissions. So keep sending them in. Jack asked, would prime time tiger's handicap be essentially what like okay i'm a i'm a five so how many

strokes would i need to be like comfortable tiger giving me in like the year 2000 to beat him in a match golf well frankie is stressed out about this becomes a really tricky question just in general he's going to shoot like a 63 right like yeah so this becomes like a tricky question because people always conjecture like what what are like pGA tour pros handicaps i think a lot of people have settled on like the average pGA tour pro is around like a plus six handicap maybe so that means this is outrageous be giving me at least 11 shots um the average or tiger the average guy the average would be so this guy was like is it double digits is he this tiger a plus 10 handicap meaning like would he have to give a scratch golfer

10 shots. Seems like a lot, right? Because the handicap system, what, takes your 10 best rounds out of 20? Yeah, the handicap system, what a lot of people understand about it is that the handicap system is actually, the number that you get is actually your potential. It's not your average. So they take, they calculate it off the 10 best scores of your last 20. And I think the number is like you only shoot your handicap, like one out of every five to six

rounds is pretty much what you did. So tiger was probably like a plus eight, right? Something like that. It can't be plus 10. Most 10 is insane. I mean, maybe. I'd have to go back and look, but to be fair, you'd need like 20 shots. Yeah, I know.

Like, that's what I was trying to think. I don't think it's double digits. I think that's too high. I think like primetime 2000, year 2000 Tiger. Like, even think about how good, like, think about how good like a plus one handicap is. If you've got a buddy, it's like a plus one. And Tiger would have to give that guy seven shots. Like, that's insane.

But also. Tiger wasn't insane. fucking woods in 2000. I think it's 8-9-ish. I don't think it gets to 10. I don't think you guys play the Beth Pidge Black, right? Yep. And you're shooting.

And you're playing well. Tigers' prime time Tiger, winning fucking U.S. opens and shit. You probably shoot an 80, 85, 84 on the Beth Page Black. It's like a great day. 84 is like a great day out there. And there's no way he doesn't break 70. Tiger's shooting a 67, 65, 66.

606. Easily. Easily. Like, especially not in like, U.S. open condition. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. He beat me by 20 shots.

He's dominating you. Dominating. He beat me by at least 20 shots. Yeah. Man, that's tricky to think about. Yeah, I would say in the eight to nine range. Drake. I got a listener named Drake.

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This is the guy who was in high school in 2015. The guy came into the office. The guy came into the office. A lot of people come to the office. Do you know how many people come into this office that I don't know who the fuck they are? Come on, guys. It's a show. Drake and Josh. It was on I think like Nickelodeon. We might have had people on our show that came into the office. I didn't know who they were.

When you said, when you hear the name Drake, you think of two people? I was like, this guy's out of his mind. There's one, I thought you were going to drop some Drake that I was like, oh, yeah, I'm such an idiot. Or like the Drake from Seinfeld. Love the Drake. Draco Malfoy, maybe. Good point.

Like these two dudes. Those just look like Disney fucking Disney. Yeah. Bastards. Whatever. The guy came in, he did the whole thing. Drake Bell. You guys, you try.

You don't know who Drake Bell is. I don't. What the fuck? Frankie, just get over it. Anyways, Drake, the listener. I don't know what this guy, what he looks like. I'm like trying. Sometimes you can like, you hear a name.

Drake, the listener. he says how come the Rider Cup uniforms always suck. I will say, I want to say the only real Rider Cup item that they've actually worn that I thought was really awesome in the last, I don't know, last three or four or five, like memorable ones, was whatever year that was where they just had the American flag sweaters that just had. Oh, you remember those? Yes. They literally were just like blue sweaters with just an American flag. flag right in the middle of it. Was that the first,

was that the first Patrick Reed, Jordan Speed Rider Cup? I think that might have been it. Because I'm picturing them and like those beanie. Yeah, I think that might have been it, which was what,

2014 and like in Scotland or something like that? Where was that? I think that's where it was. I think that was the one. But that, remember those where they just had the American flag

right in the middle of it? Those were fire. Whatever year, yeah, the year, I think it's the same year that you're picturing, like I said, the beanies that they had were just,

just like the USA streamline was sick. Yeah, I do think, For the most part, like overall, the uniforms stink. I think they're big part of the reason of that. No offense to wives anywhere. But I think usually like the wives pick the outfits or the captain's wife is like always in charge of picking the uniforms.

And for the most part, like you're not going to get like awesome. Like uniforms that guys like us are going to love. Right. Not probably what you're going to get from like Jim Furex what? Yeah. And like, yeah, no, you're right. But I think that's probably good. I don't know if that's like the universal practice.

if they do that every single year. But I do know that they've done that many, many years that the captain's wife picks the uniforms. And like I said, like Jim Fierick's wife isn't going to think what's super cool. When people think a Ryder Cup stuff, they probably think like, what, like 99, like those fucking shirts. Yeah, the 99 ones are obviously like all. Those are, that's sort of like so bad they're good.

Hall of Fame, so bad they're good. Vintage. Like if you had one of those walking around the street right now, I would take a picture of you. People would be like amazing. Right. But for the most part, they are pretty disappointing, which is weird. I wonder how it works with like, Tiger wearing because like another company always sponsors it right we're not going to talk about who it is

oh well I mean yeah their competitor right it's true but another our company does yeah yeah just I just wonder how that conversation because you're all like it's like golf's not a team sport so everybody's kind of goes in their own direction and that's like a major part of golf yeah who your sponsor is what you wear Kyle asks will you have to change the four play logo now that the drop rule is from knee height and not from shoulder height. I will say, wildly unlucky for the boys that this has been the rule of golf

for like 500 years, and now they just changed it to, instead of dropping it from up here, you drop it from down here at the knee. Yeah. Like within a year of us coming up with a logo. It was a sport that never changes. Isn't that insane?

All right, we're changing. Like, what are the chances? Oh, shit, yeah. I think we're not going to change it because it just looks good that way. Yeah, it's kind of an, it's a throwback now. Yeah. Our logo is a throwback.

It's a vintage logo. We've been doing this podcast for so long that the rules were different when we started doing the podcast. Exactly. We're not changing that shit. Wow. I didn't think of this at all. It just blew my mind. Yep.

I'll never look at this logo the same way again. It is kind of wild. Do you guys ever see the picture my buddy got of me and Bandon doing the our exact logo? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was like literally I'm standing on like this cliff in the ocean behind me and I'm, he got me. I didn't even know he's doing all fucking rattle that shit went out of play.

and he legit just got a great pick and sent it to me like as I'm walking up the fairway he sends me the pick he goes new logo bud fuck you I'm pretty sick uh we're not going to change our logo our logo is awesome uh Jared Jared asked a good question that we've I think we've all kind of felt this to some degree we'll probably get a discussion about it he said he read the tiger woods biography which is called uh I think that's the one with tiger woods his face on the front it's called uh tiger woods tiger woods barvin katayin our guy and Jeff Benedict said it made him not like Tiger as much as he used to.

He said all the not tipping stuff, the never paying for a meal when he went out with Mark O'Meara, the Augusta, the house that he stayed at in Augusta, where the woman finally got to meet Tiger and Tiger just didn't even acknowledge her, all that type of stuff falling out with every person that was ever close to him in his entire life. And he says basically, I'm upset that I read the book because I'm the biggest Tiger fanboy in the world, but I genuinely just don't like him anywhere close to as much as I used to because he was such a dick to people.

Am I the only person in the world that feels this way reading the book? We talked about this with Arm and Contain. I don't know how you read that book and don't feel bad for him, number one, the way his upbringing was. And, like, how he had no chance to know how to live in a society, basically. Like, be able to, like, communicate with people and, like, even know, like, what, like, leaving a tip is and shit, you know? I really don't pin that all on him I think he like lived in a bubble and he was like corrupted basically

his mind was corrupted to just only know golf and be a warrior and be a murderer on the golf course so I really don't pin all that stuff I know I mean he's kind of an asshole off the golf course he's proven that right but it's what you're saying like he didn't have a normal childhood like the rest of the stuff like you can't it would almost have been even more shocking for him to come out of this and be a normal person

I don't think he ever went out to dinner with like his mom dad and watched his dad like be really nice to like a like a waitress and like tipper and like go home and like I think everything was very like hostile and like just golf and go to sleep and listen to these war tapes on how to be a criminal I think that's not a criminal savage I know savage that word word word it did kind of become a criminal when he got DUI which we're true we don't talk about but he's off probation off probation good behavior I think that's the justification we've all used yeah that like when you read the first part of the book and you get to the point where he is kind of a dick you feel very sympathetic for this guy. I also had one of my

buddies texting me. Another guy texted me. He's a fantasy Randy who we had on and did a bunch of fantasy stuff before. I think that was the British Open. But he was texting a lot of the same stuff. And he was essentially saying, you know, he just, he thought it was really bizarre, a really bizarre feeling reading the book, feeling sympathetic for a guy who is a billionaire, a complete savage, who's banged like a million chicks, who's got a billion dollars, who's probably the greatest golfer of all time, maybe one of the greatest athletes of all time, who's got all this great stuff,

yet he's sitting here, who's a dickhead and like a cock sucker to people, and he's just sitting here reading it like, I feel so sorry for this guy. It is strange. It's like that type of talent comes with a curse. Like the things you get from it, you are then allowed.

I would imagine he took liberties with the type of success that he had. He knew that he could treat people in a sort of way, and it wouldn't affect him whatsoever. So that is the part where you sort of like He could have been nicer and you're seeing now that he has the capability and the capacity to be nicer to people Because he's nicer. He's kind of softened as he's gotten older I don't know I get I get myself confused about how I feel Yeah like I guess like I don't I don't like there are people that are very very talented in the best of their sport of all time

Who are really nice guys But as good as Tiger wasn't what he was like Roger Federer is like a really really nice guy He's the greatest tennis player of all time Yeah he's not perceived as like some cocksucker doesn't know how to interact with people wouldn't tip people. He's perceived as like a really nice guy. Same with even like Raphaine Adal is considered like a really nice guy. He's rattling off tennis players. Well, I'm just like that's where my mindset. I don't think like Sydney Crosby and like Wayne Gretzky are considered like dickheads who didn't tip people. They're like really nice guy. Yeah, there's the culpability

certainly falls on on Tiger somewhat. But he did, Tiger did have a strange, strange upbringing. That's where I think it comes from. I don't think it necessarily comes from like just the talent. I think it comes from his upbringing. Like Frankie said like he never witnessed his dad just being incredibly polite to people treating service people whether it's like the valet, whether it's the person at dinner helping you out He never would literally be like

This is my son. He's gonna be the king of the world Like get the fuck out of the way Like we shouldn't have to pay and stuff like that Right so I think he's learned how to become more of a human Through his own experiences which has taken him a long time Like I think becoming a dad of his own Like he's literally just learning how to be a good person And I think you get humbled when you once you get humbled with all the shit you go through

That really you start to learn quick I agree with that Yeah Also Okay next we got Spencer Sorry I kind of lost my train of thought But what I was going to say was I think we were all in agreement there

That we're justifying our Clear Like dislike for the negatives About Tiger being an asshole and stuff By the fact that like Oh it wasn't his fault You just raised that way Which is helping us all still love Tiger

At the same degree So Jared you should come around with us And love him the same way that we do Ben says when you're at a club that you're pretty sure doesn't have transfusions. Do you, A, order a transfusion or B, do you order a vodka, ginger with a splash of grapefuge? I think you always say, do you have a transfusion? Always.

No, you've got to have that, like, card on them where you're like, well, well, let me tell you what it is. Yeah, it's 100%. You're trying to spread the gospel of the transfusion. Because then you're the transfusion guy at that club. You got to set yourself up for, oh, well, let me tell you, Mom. Grab a glass. Grab a glass and grab a seat because we're about to have some fun. That's exactly right.

You've got to give yourself that type of moment and change that club forever. So I think that's exactly right. Spencer, we already mentioned. He won a year's supply of title of golf. Oh, I knew we heard the name of Spencer already. Congratulations to Spencer. I won. He won.

Second. I won. Excuse me, I won. Just in pure shock and email form? I won. I won. I just like get all these things now? Or like how does this?

Like, wait, I just get ProVy Ones for a whole year because I listen to your podcast and then just like put my name into a little white box. I just wrote my name down. I can't think about that 40-year-old version scene now that you're talking about it. I'll just give you money now. Like, no, you just don't get it. We have to put it online. Then you can buy it there. But I have money now.

I can just give you the cash. I just really want these shoes. That's true. He's like, I have these shoes. I just want to take them home. She's like, it just doesn't work. Making it so much more difficult. All right.

What else does Spencer got? Spencer says, second, what is the maximum amount of time that you can take up the halfway house before it's okay for the group behind to pass you? He basically says he's got some buddies who like every time they go by the halfway house, they spend like a half hour there, getting sandwiches, getting beers, all that stuff. I don't know that it's ever okay to really just pass. Like if you're a foursome, I don't know if it's ever okay for your for some and just pass the for some and just pass the forsome and probably you at the turn. It happens to me all the time because I play a lot of public Long Island golf. Yeah. Like you were just experienced last weekend when you played Van Cortland.

Van Cortland Park. Six hour round. Six hour round. At least that's generous. Six hour round means that there's guys in front of you behind you, doubled up, tripled up on greens and T-boxes. And if you go in like, like, I've once, like, had to just take a shit. And it takes me like five minutes. Like, and you're like really rushing in there.

And you're like, fuck, I don't know what the hell's going on out there. And you get out to your T-box and everyone's looking at you like, we lost. We lost the battle. They're already on the T-box. They're hitting. Because you usually have just like Long Island. and old Italian guys behind you that do not wait for a second, even though you've got nowhere to go.

And then it's awkward for the rest of the day, but it happens to me all the time. I think that it's probably like, if you're like at a country club setting and, and you're playing slow, like that's just a much more leisurely like, hey, why don't you go on by? I'm going to go grab a hot dog,

go on with your son and your caddy, why don't you go hit some ball. But at the public course, it's a fucking war out there. Right, it's like you're like, you stand on the tea. I'm going to go get, it's great. It is. People will skip you in a heartbeat.

I don't. I think there's a designated time, though, to his question. Yeah. I think it's just like, you just go out. It's a battle. You just survive. And you got to guard your spot. You see somebody like skipping you.

Anybody, no, we're like, we'll be right there. If you know what you, if you're getting into the situation I just explained and you're like, you know that that's what's happening. And you, and all four of your guys leave the premises and go get like hot dogs and take shits and stuff. You deserve to be past it. And that scenario. You got to know, you got to have someone like practice swinging on the T-box. You got to set a decoy out there. Yeah.

I agree with that. Last one, we got to give a shout out to Jacob. Jacob sent us a very nice note. He basically said this. He said earlier this summer broke his right foot in three different places, then got laid off. He was down in the dumps. He said, listen to the four play boys. Chat made him feel like he was in the room laughing it up with the boys and kept his spirits up so he could get out of the dark times.

He said his 10-year-old son recently got into golf, so now they're all pumped, listening to the guys going out and playing golf. So big shout out to Jacob. I love that. I do like that you did mention in the beginning of the show where you're like it feels like we're just like shooting the shit right now Which made me think of Jacob Wow And the fact that something as stupid as our podcast could have a positive impact on people Circle on this bitch

Very very very very cool big time So shout out to Jacob huge shout out to Jacob keep your head up Keep doing your stuff Play a ton of golf with your 10 year old son I want to see pictures I want to see videos of his swing Yes Because kids with good swings is like the coolest thing in the world Awesome

We saw one of the first We saw one on, it was like a 12 year old on, whole one. Hole one on the Instagram. Insane. Everybody going bananas on that too. I noticed there was a, I don't know who did this, but there was a misspelling on the caption. It said, hope in one.

I didn't realize that. That's amazing. I don't know if it's still up there, but that would be very funny. That's great. I was like reading into him, like hope in one. When you just said, I was like, maybe that means something. That's a bummer, because I saw that, whoever posted,

I saw it and I didn't even notice it said hoping one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 12 year old hoping won. Huge. Very nice to see. Shout out to Jacob. Shout to all the listeners. Forwardplay at barstoolsports.com.

Shoot us. You're from the gallery. Shoot us your notes, your stories, whatever you want. We're going to be in there reading them and checking them out. Enjoy the Tour Championship this weekend. And then it's Rider Cup week. We're going to record,

we have a big guest on Monday. And then we're going to record Monday. or the show that'll go up Tuesday, and then the next show that we put up will either be Thursday or Friday. To be honestly, probably Friday, because I'll be in Paris. Right.

Petit. Petit. I'll be at Le Golf National. You know how I put a little English on the end of all these words? Yep. It's starting to spread not only on my golf terminology, but we're editing all these shows right now, the college show, the NFL show that we talk about

in the beginning of this show. And there's a thing, I guess, called, I still don't even know what it's called, but it's a background static image and it's called a mortis. No idea. No, no, no need. A mortis? I thought it was called a mortise, right? It's called a mortis.

And it's like, it's just an image that's like, it's a bar stool that will slowly spin in the background. You can put images on top of it. It's a background. Got it. But I guess it's an editor word. So I'm walking around and I'm supposed to be this like big producer now of this college show and I'm walking around with a headset on on Frankie headsets. Yep. I'm talking to all these guys who are like.

freelance camera guys and editors. And I'm like, all right, guys, we're going to, uh, we're going to stop here. We're going to throw up an image on the mortise. And everyone's like, what the fuck is a morti? Mortis sounds like, why are you saying a mortise? Sounds like a famous painter that's like, it's a Picasso. That's Picasso. That's a mordyce.

That's, I couldn't have been more embarrassed. I'm like, guys, like, I think Milmore came out to me. He's like, dude, it's called a mortis. Like, you're way off. I don't know why you're putting that little. You're just, you're belarieving everything. Yeah, he's like, I don't know why you're putting that little pizzazz at the end, but it's definitely It's like Joe Deerte.

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