Fore Play - We Almost Won The 3M Open Pro-Am, Featuring Callum Tarren

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

Live from the 3M Open in Minnesota, we begin right before Riggs, Frankie and Trent compete in the Pro-Am. We discuss Henrik Stenson losing his Ryder Cup captaincy, the newest developments on the LIV Tour, and take fan questions From The Gallery. We finish the show right after the Pro-Am with an interview with our back nine pro Callum Tarren (01:09:57).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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We are in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is the 3M Open. We're at a PJ tour event. All of a sudden, we're at more of these. I don't find that to be a particular coincidence. but we are at a PJ Tour event. We're about to play in the pro-am. It is windy as fuck here, I have to say. You could probably hear the tent blowing around. She started right when we started recording. It really did.

Is the weather ever good in Minnesota? It's very windy. I don't know why they don't call this the windy city. I was out on the lake yesterday. I think it was Lake Minnetonka. We were just kind of walking around, you know, the outskirts of it. And there were white caps on the fucking lake. Like, I'm talking crazy wind. Maybe 50 mile an hour winds. I think the weather is pretty similar to Iowa because Iowa is just south of here. and you know it's just there's like a stretch in the fall where it's just beautiful delightful

but the summers are hot and muggy the winters are pretty tough it's like 30 below here I think in the winter the winters are like in an uninhabitable like it gets cold in Iowa and the further you go north like you're basically in Canada when we were it's really cool when we were here for the Super Bowl a couple years ago I remember I got split up from Dave and whoever the crew was when we were inside the game and on the way out towards our house the game had ended we left US Bank Stadium. I remember thinking I was going to die from cold for the first time of my life.

I actually, I didn't have a jacket and like something happened. Doesn't this city actually have like an above ground tunnel system because it's so cold? Dude, I actually thought that my body, my heart was going to stop beating. That's how cold I was. And then you would think that it would be similar to like Boston in the summers where it's just gorgeous, but it's, we were here last

summer and it was miserable. It was so fucking hot and humid. Yeah. It was awful. No, I think there's like a good month stretch where like the lake life is really nice out here. And it's, yeah, it's definitely green and beautiful. Land of 10,000 lakes at their thing. I think that's, I really do love Minnesota, though.

And there's a lot of stooleys out here, like more than you would anticipate. Like, we went to dinner last night, which we can talk about if we want. But it was Parlor Burger. Parlor Burger. But it was just, yeah, people all over the place. People just like, there are their stooleys out here. So we got a lot to get to. We got to talk about Pro Am.

I want to talk about that parlor burger. We got Henrik Stenson, who has, uh, his captaincy stripped like four months after he got it. Probably the shortest writer cup captaincy in history. You got to get to that. First, we got to talk about Roman. This parlor burger is probably going to make me pretty horny when you guys start talking about it. Oh, yeah. If you're horny and you're having sexual intercourse with your significant other or random or anyone, really.

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choose a monthly plan. That's get roman.com slash four. Like I said, we will be playing in the three and. open pro am coming up here in a few hours we're going to try to circle back if you will shout out to corporate america term there circle back and kind of do a little recap that we'll record afterwards about our experience in the pro am but we haven't played in it yet

we're going to it's windy's hell there's appear to be human spectators out there that are probably in danger here's the thing we are going to try to circle back and record the pot after this a couple of us might be in handcuffs and on our way to jail because we hit somebody in the head or we hit multiple people in the head and they're like this guy's a liability we got to get him off the grounds so i'm very nervous about it i don't know if like leading up to it frankie and riggs you guys were tweeting about it like it's pretty crazy that we're playing in this thing and my brain wouldn't even allow myself to think about it because spectators i mean we played with spectators during the max homo thing but those are our people right

they kind of know what the what the deal is they know where to hide killed somebody on every hole we almost killed somebody on every hole and out here it's just people like in minnesota being like let's go watch the pro have also promoted what time we're teeing off so i think that generally speaking people that are here that our fans are going to gravitate towards us and that's going to make it a little bit more than it like we're watching people come up 18 and there's definitely people saying around 18 like if you hit an errant approach shot it's going to hit somebody we've got all the grandstands there's people in there in their suites in their lounges drinking eating and then we can just ruin their day

easily that's just not the best wednesday to spend if like i'm hitting a duck like a lot of golf together we've all played a ton of golf together we know our misses like i i hit a fade slice slice basically. And sometimes I start that thing way left and low. Low. And if there are people to the left that don't understand what's about to happen, and I just like pull it a little bit more than usual, it could be a real problem. I will say that you hit, oddly enough, that ball would have went in the fairway. That's, that's your kind of, you know what I mean?

If you hit someone in the face, that ball was on its way to the fairway. Right. It was starting to loop. I will say that this might make us feel better. I got a text for Joel Damon that said, if you guys have more than five people watching on any hole, I will be impressed. no one watches pro ams. Oh. I'm hoping that that's correct.

I do too. Now, obviously the tournament, our friend Mike Welch is right over there. We haven't actually met yet in person. They're probably rooting for there to be thousands of people out there. I want there to be zero. I hope there's not a single human being

out there. He's like, you want to promote ticket sales? Nope. I don't want to promote shit. I want lives to be saved. We want people to be safe. We want in their homes watching on TV. We've got us four,

us three. Fourth is Brock Nelson. an American hero. Good guy plays hard, loves the game, number 29. I'm not even sure the tournament knows that. I don't even know if they know that either because they've been promoting like offensive linemen and all these guys like Brock Nelson, 37 goal score. Literally, Mr. War Road himself is coming to this tournament. They haven't really promoted it.

He's like, yeah, I kind of like that. I'm just kind of showing up and no one really knows like that I, because he hits sometimes a duck hook screamer. He hits an absolute screamer from the left side. So we're excited for that. And then I think we're playing with Sam Ryder today. Yeah. Mr. Ace.

The Ace man. Fuck. That's a pretty cool one. Cool guy. Remember we got him on? He was chill. He's got a nice beard. Yeah, I'm happy that we got a friend of the program.

Yeah, that helps. And then we got an Englishman who I really don't know much about. I think he was like, he threatened that the U.S. Open. He had, he played pretty well. I think he's like 31. What's his last name? Taryn. Taryn.

Column Taryn. Column Taryn. Column, like Ghalm. Yeah, that's right. So it'll be fun. He's a great character. The course is, looks like a beast. It looks, yeah, Lord of the Rings is awesome.

Yeah. It looks like a beast. It's a fucking long golf course. We have caddies that have played it before. They're all jacked up to caddy for us. So it's going to be a fun day at the 3M. Very fun day at the 3M. I use 3M a lot.

Somebody does house. I use like tape and shit and 3M 3M of those. It's 3M, right? It's like those strips. You know the strips, the pull strips? I think that's right. I know the double side.

It's like tape and shit. It's like how many hang stuff? I'm pretty sure. That's what I'm seeing with the tag on the top. The 3M tape and I think they do a lot of science stuff. Science applied to life. See, science applied to life. You need to hang a fucking, you know, picture. I love them. 3M, yeah. I use them my house too. I probably Yeah, you use 3M tape for sure. Yeah, I would say like we're kind of, um, we're aligning ourselves

with the PGA tour. Haven't been any live events. So yeah, no. They're in New Jersey this week or next week? Next week. We're not going to be there. No, we're not going to be there. We're here at the 3M open, flew all the way to Minnesota. Um, on that front. We got some interesting news. Henrik Stenson stripped of his Rider Cup captaincy, European stalwart in the Ryder Cup,

won the Open Championship, the three would, the whole deal at the PNC's out there with his kid and he was wheeling and dealing and whining and dining all the crowds with him

and his kid. Carl, I think his kid's name is, Carl Stenson. Oh yeah, he was very funny in the press conference. How cute they were.

They were incredible. Hendrick Stenson, actually, I put in my little notes here, from March 15th, when he was, was announced that he was going to be the European Rider Cup captain. He said there's been a lot of speculation back and forth,

but I am fully committed to the captaincy and to Rider Cup Europe and the job at hand. And he also said it's the opportunity of a lifetime to be the Rider Cup captain. Today, Europe, Ryder Cup Europe tweets out that he is out. He's not the captain. It's over. Blasted from mid-March to mid-July. Let's be honest. We all know what's going on here, right?

Yeah. He's scared of Zach Johnson. Ha! I mean, that's what's going on. Oh, yeah, Liv. Maybe they plop down like 50 million, 70 million. I don't even know what the number is. He's scared of Zach Johnson, which I get.

When was the last time a U.S. Rider Cup captain ran the European Rider Cup captain out of town before the event even started? I don't get that very often. Is this the first time? It's the first time it's got to be. Zach Johnson, an intimidating fellow. I'll give you that.

I mean, you don't really want to look at them too long, so I can see why Stenson would want to run away from him. pretty crazy is Zach Johnson just won an open championship at the old course took took the most outrageous photo with that claret chug of all time just staring right at it Roy McElroy who said that you have the lefty Zach Johnson swing he did said that like he would pretty much kill to have the major championship career that Zach Johnson has won the open championship of the old course and won a green jacket at Augusta that's like you can't get much better than that and now we already I feel like this should count as a forfeit for the European Rider Cup team we won all right ready. I think they're going to have to because they don't have anybody left. I mean, everybody's left. It's a wild turnaround from, if you just look pre-last Rider

Cup, it was like, Europe, this is what they live for, this is what they want. They're all the passion. These guys' whole careers are defined by the Rider Cup. Every one of them just, Graham McDowell, gone. The captain, Henrik Stenson, gone. Lee Westwood gone. Lee Westwood gone. Sergio Garcia gone. And not only is he gone, but he was asked about how much he enjoyed the Open at St. Andrews and he said, not very much. I enjoyed the crowd. That was about it. I'm quite clear about what I'm going to do with the European circuit. Probably leave it. I want to play where I feel loved. And right now in the European Torah, I am not feeling loved. Oh, the people don't like me no, no. You know what this is setting up for, setting up for a miracle on grass type year for Europe.

And I'm not saying I'm looking forward to it, but it's almost like with when the U.S. had to beat the Russians in hockey. They're going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. They're going to be getting a lot of young guys who have a lot of things to prove that's a pretty cool storyline for the upcoming rider cup i mean they're going to get absolutely pummel but i mean imagine europe just like kind of sticks around and like that storyline of being like a bunch of kids are taking on the goliath fucking u.s open by the u.s. i'm a little worried about what the golf landscapes even going to look like by that dude like honestly at this point i post there was a lot of concern that post open championship you would see guys start to go because they've been able to

play in all the majors hallelujah you see you later and then there's more concern that post FedEx Cup when those three events are over that guys are just going to be gone that they're just going to jump ship and really what Greg Norman said months before any of this started is coming to fruition which is like we're going to have tournaments we're going to be paying people tens of millions of dollars other players that chose not to come are going to see that they're going to say I'm better at golf than that fellow how come he's getting paid more than I am and they're going to start to go and that is pretty much exactly what's happened regardless of which way you fall on the

Live, PGA Tour stuff. It doesn't feel like it's headed in a great direction. And everything feels a little dirty. Just all of it. Like guys jumping, guys giving up Ryder Cup captaincies to just go play for Liv and get a bunch of money. It just feels dirty. And I don't, I just don't even know where it is.

There's no way it's good. Like, there's no way up to this point. The Live existing has been good for golf. Zero. Rider Cup, like, Ryder Cup Europe is now doesn't exist. The captain is now looked at as a massive public. hypocrite who leveraged his captaincy to get more money from Liv and not care about the Ryder Cup. Like everyone from Brooks Kebka and Phil, all these guys like Phil had his quotes about how they're bad

motherfuckers and then is hugging the guy on the first tee. Right. Brooks Kebka was like, why are you guys bringing a dark cloud over the US open and then goes to live the next day? DJ claimed his allegiance to Peter Tour was like Smellya. So everyone looks like shit. The events now have less cool and like monumental players in them because Liv has stolen a good amount of them. And this event

would have had a couple more players in it. For sure. You know who's winning is winning is Greg Norman. He's an agent of chaos who has hated the PJ tour forever and wanted to do this and he just got the right money backing made it happen. And now golf feels like this weird

dirty, barren waste like. Okay, but now I'm a storyline guy. Tell me and I've seen a lot of tweets. No, I'm not. That's crazy. That's, I mean, I'm not one or the other. I just think that like, at the of the day, competition is really good. It's not, though.

It's not working out that one. I think it is because what I'm about to say is I am a storyline guy. Give me in two years, live versus BGA tour. If they're not going to combine, and you say I'm a live guy, but I'm just like, I hate the hypocrisy. I mean, we can go into a million different things. Like 3M, I've gotten a million tweets about, like, where the money for this tournament comes from.

Sure. You really want to get fucking, like, dirty about it. Like, it's all Saudi back money. So, like, where are we going to go? Joe Biden just went to Saudi Arabia and we're giving them a shit ton of money to buy for their barrels. His bump there with NBS. It's just crazy.

So like where like totally I'm with I hear I also like saying you're a live guy like means like something deeper or or dirtier or like that you're a certain type of person. That's fucking insane. No. We're talking about golf tournaments and why like the PJ tour hasn't leveraged what they've had all these years. And it took bad money and bad guys to finally make all these things come to fruition. All I'm saying is that the world politics part of it. That stuff is incredibly complicated to the point that I don't understand it. That's what drives a comment like that.

Like you're a live guy. That's exactly what drives it. It's all politics driven. It's all bullshit driven. It has nothing to do with like what we're actually talking about. But what I was going to say is that when it comes down to it, this was the most clear cut example of sports washing and it's still people just go. Like the world politics part of it. That is so. A hypocritical trend. Like you can't just say like it's sports washing just like because then like what's like the other term for like whatever washing?

Is it like world washing when we just do all the other stuff? I don't. This is what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's such a, when it gets to a world politics level, I'm. I don't understand it, so I don't know how to speak to it. But when you look at it, when you look at the live golf thing, that's as clear cut as you're going to get. It's the Saudi government giving all this money to guys because they want them to come over. So it looks, the Saudi regime looks better.

And guys still looked at that, as clear cut as it was. And they were still like, yeah, I'm going to do that for sure. And that just that, that's like makes me feel a little hopeless. Yeah. And it is, Frankie, I agree. It is selective outrage for sure on. We've never talked about the Saudi regime. But I would say on its macro level, what Trent's saying is true is that up to this point,

Liv clearly is not about trying to help the game of golf. Live is about sports washing. And maybe there's people within there that we've talked about a lot that want to get to a point where it ends up being greater for golf. BGA Tour has raised billions of dollars for charity. PGA Tour has funneled millions and millions of dollars to developmental tours, to champions tour to pensions for players. So like, the PJ tour, even though it's not perfect, even though Jay Monaghan, who's the commissioner,

gets paid an outrageous amount of money and he's a very rich man. There are people that are ambitious within the tour, even though it's not for profit. Like, there's people that make a lot of money. It's not perfect. But I do think at its core, it's like driven and by being good for golf and like helping golf. Right now I don't think that the live tour is.

Maybe in the long run it will be. Maybe we'll get to great storylines. But right now, it is just kind of fractured and made golf shitty. It is. It's having a sports a lot, too. If your starting point is I need a perfect, perfection is what I'm looking for, then there's nowhere to start that because everybody's dirty. Everybody's dirty.

It just depends on how outwardly dirty you are. And the Liv Tour is like, this is clearly the chain of command. It goes down here, the money's here, and it trickles down to these players, and the players like, I'm going to do that. It's that's like, when it's that black and white and people are still going, that's where I'm like, man,

that's like, there's just, that's tough. And look, if you have generational amount of money, you can do in life whatever you want. Whatever you want. You can have private jets. You can have massive boats. You can go live in the coolest places in the world. You can go back to charity. You can do whatever you want.

Absolutely. And so ultimately, the system that we have created has allowed money to be the ultimate driving factor for nearly every human on Earth. We have talked about that people will relocate to cities they do not want to live in because of money. They get offered way more money. There are probably 95% of people listening to this that if Saudi Arabia offered you 10x what you make to live in Riyadh for

three years and you would probably fucking do it. Right. Yep, sure. I'll go do that. So all of that is true. I think just on like, if you could remove yourself, if you could come out of it from like a perfect worldview, you wish that like everybody would be like Rory and say no. But clearly

that's not happening. And I think that not happening as just like spectators the whole thing so far while it's given us a lot to talk about it's kind of like shitty overall i think it's just shitty and there's just always going to be the guys that take more money won soto and baseball just turned down a 450 million dollar deal because he wants more from another team for sure the MLB went on strike for a half a season because the guys who were making 600 million dollars over their careers weren't making enough money they're all baseball did all podcasts for a year about how fucking greedy are these guys and why do they need more money where are the people that are

hurting from it where are the fans that don't get to go to the games what about all the people at Yankee Stadium, all the millions of fucking workers that got that were out of work all because these guys wanted more millions of millions of dollars. But with this, it's like, oh, like, do you see what they're doing with that government? It's like, but no, like, at the end of the day, I understand that you can take it directly because like there's an A and a B and they're both colliding. But like there always is that, I think. There's always behind closed doors. There's money and it's all dirty. And it's just, these guys are just getting more money. And like, for some reason in golf, it's the only time it's been unacceptable. The MLB isn't funded by a government though.

That's just like, I get that. I'm just, okay, they're not. But. sponsors are it's just it gets there's a never ending chain of like where is the money coming I'm with you that's what I meant by like everybody's got first take money why is everyone else a lot to take money that's what I meant where it's like if you start with I need I need a perfect candidate that's where I need to start that's where I want to hitch my my wagon to you're just not going to it doesn't exist it doesn't exist it will never exist but what all I'm saying and I feel like I'm repeating myself now it's just like it's just so obvious what I would love to ask a live guy is what do you think they're paying you that money for right like why do you think they're giving you that much

money. There's a reason. It's not because you're a fucking great golfer. It's not because, you know, these guys who are clearly over the hill, it's not they're like, you're going to take our fucking league to the next level because of your great play. To sell tickets. Just like when you sign like a 40-year-old Brett Farb to a team

and you pay him a shit ton of money. It's like, that guy actually going to be good or is he going to put asses in seats and sell season tickets? But the trend's point of it being run by private, that MLB and all those are run by, you know, privately owned teams that are, in theory in the interest of making money.

That money that they're giving those players is at least based on some real calculation that they're going to get a return if things pan out. And I think that when it's funded funded by a government that is more interested in investing money in cleansing their image

than it is in investing money to actually turn a profit, that is where it's different. And maybe they long term think that they can, but I think anybody would acknowledge of the situation is like, Okay, you're paying Sergio Garcia and Hendrix Denson and Phil Mickelson combines like hundreds of millions of dollars. How the fuck are you going to see a return on that?

We didn't even pay attention to a lot of people like 3M. If we weren't here, we probably wouldn't even pay attention to any of this. And the PJ tour is way bigger, you know, than live. It has way more broadcasting rights built in and all this. So it's like it just seems like if you're building something that doesn't have a viable path to return, then it's for pretty bad reasons, and I think we all know where those reasons are.