Fore Play - Webb Simpson and Thanksgiving

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

Webb Simpson (1:21:48) joins the show for the first time. He talks chasing distance, making his own coffee in airports, winning the U.S. Open and The PLAYERS, and issues with golf course architecture. Before Webb joins we discuss Riggs doing shots at the new Barstool Scottsdale bar, Bryson admitting beefing up wasn’t healthy, Thanksgiving, the World Cup, and a big “Breaking 90” update.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot, his name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butternives because he's always nice to the cross the green. Nice to be here, boys.

Congratulations on all that you're doing is as mediocre as a, as a little bit of. it is. Bro your 100. Now you gotta break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool.

We appreciate it. After watching you this year, I'm very much thinking about getting, so I have a fusion surgery. Skip that. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 these yesterday.

Oh my God. Take 100 and you go fuck yourself. What? What are you guys fixing with that? Um, it's saying a hobby. For Play brought to you by Barcelona Sports, presented by our good friends at Chevrolet. Happy Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving week.

We're a pro-holiday podcast. So happy Thanksgiving. You know, I'd see in different kind of soft greens and browns and grays. We're rocking. It's that time of year. So happy Thanksgiving. We love the holidays. The second I get back from Thanksgiving, I'm putting up my Christmas tree.

So we're sort of, once this show hits the airwaves, we're not quite there yet because we're recording. on Sunday. We got all kinds of shit going on. But I think that once this podcast airs, people are in holiday mode. They're sort of checking out of work for the week. So happy fucking Thanksgiving, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. I have in the past been less excited about Thanksgiving just because I think it's a speed

bump on the way to Christmas. I know that's incredibly disrespectful to Thanksgiving as a whole, but I've always felt that way. Native Americans, you know. No, no, hold on. Yeah, isn't Thanksgiving canceled now? So Trent Proudly falls into that category. Or you just don't celebrate it.

Oh, yeah. I'm the live on the show. Yeah. If, um, I, well, the only reason for me was because I wasn't going home. I would stay around the city and I wouldn't really celebrate it because I was just like, oh,

we got a week off for, um, Christmas. So I might as well just go back for that. But I'm not going back for Christmas this year. So I am going back to Cedar Rapids for Thanksgiving. So I'm more excited about Thanksgiving. It's all about individuality. Like I, if it's,

if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, it's, it's one of those things for going home is a big part of it. So I can totally see how. how if you don't go home, the holiday becomes more of a nuisance than anything else because you're going to buy a turkey. I mean, there's so much logistical nightmare if you're not, someone's not, you know, a nice mother is not taking care of it. So I feel like that is a huge part of it is having everything taken care of.

One time living in the city, they, um, I ordered a Thanksgiving package from a diner. And it was a disaster. Yeah. It was a complete and utter disaster. Turkey doesn't travel well. Mashed potatoes don't travel great. Mashed potatoes don't travel well. Especially when you're used to having a full spread.

made by your mom and your aunt and everybody brings stuff. And then you order one from the diner down the street. And it was not the same thing. Dude, I didn't go home for Thanksgiving for forever because of hockey. Because I was always, you know, wherever I was, school, high school, college, whatever is hockey. There's like mid-season. So you always had a game Friday or Saturday night. So you always go to like a buddy's house.

I think coach Donato one year when I was at heart had like the set it up, had like the team over to his place for like Thanksgiving. So we kind of always did Thanksgiving. road one year i actually to bring everything full circle i think i actually did thanksgiving alone at 310 bowery and the reason i say oh man because i think that's the company that runs the barstool bars because one year i did the macy's thanksgiving day parade i went and filmed like a man on the street video and so that whole day i filmed that we edited it and then it was like five o'clock in the evening on thanksgiving by the time it was done And I was like, well, I want to eat some Thanksgiving.

And I was looking up on maps, who's open? And they're on their Instagram, wherever they're like, we're open. You can have Thanksgiving. I was like, all right. I went in there and had Thanksgiving. It was a little bit of a dark Thanksgiving. That's dark. I'm glad, you know, we're.

I would assume in New York City, you get that a lot, though. A lot of people living on their own, transplants. No one's actually from the city. So it's not like you have much family. So yeah. I wasn't alone. I wasn't alone. That makes more sense.

If you're like, if you're finding a bar on sunrise highway on Long Island and on Thanksgiving, you're in a dark spot. Like that's, if you're in a, in the suburbs looking for like a dimly lit bar on Thanksgiving, things obviously happen in your family that you just aren't invited anywhere. You know, some people have those issues and, you know, I hope that some places are open on Thanksgiving. Are people trying to cancel Thanksgiving because it was portrayed forever as like the time we all came together and it's turning out that like our pals had like guns to their head and we're like,

you're going to. Canceling Thanksgiving. That's the first time I'm hearing of that. I think we're a picture. I wasn't really sure. A beautiful picture of Thanksgiving where like ever the pilgrims and the Native Americans are all eating together. Then change to like a guy holding like a head and he was and like there was like swords and knives and it was like whoa, it's a little more bloody than we thought. I actually think Thanksgiving was like a massacre.

Right. I think it was like the first like genocide on like American soil. Like it's like, let's check that. Because I feel like Thanksgiving is pretty sensitive. I don't want to be the guys that are kind of spreading false information about. I don't know. That's what I've heard on Twitter. Speaking of Thanksgiving. I think it's a little bit like, I mean, it's more like we talk about with Christmas.

Christmas is more cultural than religious at this point. I feel like in the United States, especially with my family, my group. It's a cultural thing. I know Dave, who's obviously Jewish, has celebrated and talked about how much he loves Christmas forever. So I'm with that on Thanksgiving as well. Yes, we should understand the true history. Let's try to get to the facts of that. There's a good change for me.

Here's a website on Fox News.com. Thanksgiving canceled? So you know, it's real. Thanksgiving. Having canceled, Libs who say America's holiday promotes genocide and white supremacy. All right. Two things I don't promote, just for the record. That's objective.

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all over the world have come to expect. So big thanks to Chevy. Go check out their EVs, EVs for everyone everywhere. One, well, you talk about dark Thanksgiving memories. I remember 2018 Tiger played Phil in Vegas on Black Friday. So I drove to Vegas the night of Thanksgiving with a buddy of mine who I used a bit of a degenerate. Logan, if you're listening, still an all-time movie letting me pick you up from your Thanksgiving dinner to go to Vegas together. We drove to Vegas and we got there, you know, 11, 1115 and you just get to Vegas.

You have to go at least explore a little bit. and the characters that we saw playing the slots by themselves on Thanksgiving night was a site that I will not forget any time. I was there. Me and Bass were there for that as well. I will say pretty much the characters you see play in the slots at any time. Yeah, I guess so. Not a huge variance. Literally any time. I think they move. I think it's just a good crop of slot. That's a no days off crew. It doesn't matter what day it is. It's not like July 11th. They're just, it's a really good crop.

and that's just the same fucking people. I think that are in there. These old women smoking cigarettes. Like my grandma used to get picked up from her, her condo in Florida and they just drive her to the, to the casino. It feels like it should be illegal. They'd let them all play the slots and like think they're going to make a bunch of money.

They'd pick them up and bring them back home. It was a free shuttle, free lunch, the whole thing. It was crazy. It's like, come over here. Come hit these buttons. My dad and my uncle would take my grandma once or twice a year to the casino that's 45 minutes away. And that was like, someone just heard that was that.

What was that? It's, I got a lot of things going on behind this desk and I, I, I just keep kicking them over. So I'm sorry for that horrifically loud noise. You guys, you know, it's got so much going on there, you know, I feel like, I know, it's crazy. It's, it's, it's, it's an unfortunate situation. Like behind this desk, everything in this room is beautiful and I stuffed everything behind the desk. So there's like metals and there's all these. There's a bunch of different things that create noise.

Yeah, exposed wires. that I'm hiding behind things that I'm like covering in front of it, which I just kicked over. All right, big show. We got Webb Simpson on this show. Now, we don't usually talk about having a guest before, but we've been teasing it. I feel like Webb Simpson's a guy that plans to do an interview, and then he's there for that interview. I don't feel like he's a guy that's going to miss it. So second half of the show, we're going to have Webb Simpson on.

Very funny timing, because the bet that we did last week, which we came up with for Barstall's Sportsbook, was nailing it. WebSense was like leading the tournament I felt like through like nine or 12 holes on Thursday. He was looking like a lock. Kids was struggling. That's why golf tournaments are long. 72 holes. Well, it ended up that Webb Simpson shot like, what, mid-70s or something on Friday. I missed the cut, I think by one. And the other three guys made it. So great news for Barstool Sportsbook, who owns us because they didn't have that exposure, get exposed. Bad news for everybody out there betting because I bet it. I was on it. It was six to one, basically, by the time we got boosted plus 590. And Weber missed it by one. So, um, um,

related we're not going to be hating on him for that but anyways we've talked about web sampson a lot he's a major winner he won the players championship he's been a very very very solid player from the american side for a couple you know decades now or whatever it is whatever it's been 15 years so uh first time on the show excited to have web on the show um he also had a hole in one he had a hole in a miss a cut which is the cut that's a tough one yeah it's tough uh and then we have also uh the financial Mallee, I believe, is old Musselboro? Is that coming out on Tuesday?

Is that correct there, Brennan Jones? Yes, sir. Old Muscleboro. Hickory Stakes. That moron, Alex Bush, isn't here because he was supposed to be at Buffalo. Did he end up going somewhere? No, I think he just had a late night playing video games. There is a rumor.

I saw him tweeting about video games last night. There's a rumor. You said you mad, bro. Before the show that. He's like tagging Activision last night, chirping about Call of Duty. Alex Bush may still be asleep right now. I confirmed. I think he is.

I got life. Yeah, I got life confirmed like maybe 10 minutes ago. He was like, holy shit, I just woke up. I was like, who brother, you're almost 30 years old, dog. So we think the Bushman was just playing video games all night. He wasn't even out on the town. I mean. Definitely not in the town.

Wow. Bushman doesn't seem like an out of town. I don't think we've seen Alex. We haven't seen him go crazy. right like i haven't seen him out yeah i don't think he rolls like that which kind of this is fine it's actually good yeah but yeah old muscle burrow was mad because his his his call of duty lobby was laggy last night so he was tagging uh activision he's a what time was that tweet sent what time was that tweet sent i don't know but he was upset with them um anyways old muscleborough the finale of scotlin

um oldest course this kind of tricked us up a little bit but this is like the old course ever older than the old course at St. Andrews, I believe. And it's, we played it nine holes and we played it with persimmons and, no, with hickories and clubs from 120 years ago is what we used. The ball that we used was discontinued in like 1920 or something like that. So we legitimately used the oldest equipment that you could basically use. It's all tied up going into the final round, myself and Trent against Lurch and Frankie, playing nine holes. We're playing nine holes are playing one of the oldest tracks ever there's a horse track around the actual golf course we play with the old clubs with the hickories it was awesome and different and the whole thing comes

down to this and that's on our youtube page tonight the spoon the we were using the spoon which was like an insanely cool wedge you could hit him from like 120 yards or right off the green i had a really tough time with the grips i mean i don't know what they used to do i guess they just had stronger hands than i did and like just everything was a lot more firm but for me I could not grip that golf club. It basically had zero on the wrapping scale. There was just no thickness to it. So you're basically holding this very thin wooden golf club.

And every time you went to go swing it, it felt like it was just going to fly out of your hands. So credit to you guys, you guys plays a pretty good golf. It was really, really difficult. I'm interested to see some of these shots because it felt like you weren't playing golf anymore. I couldn't hold on to the club.

I think a factor of that might have been, how old the clubs were as well. Right. I feel like if you took, if I took this club right here and just let it sit here for a hundred years, I bet the grip would suck. Right. So it's like that combination of the grips probably sucked and they're super old.

You were right. So we actually were, we realized on the first tee, like it was worse with the golf glove on. Yeah. Like you slid worse. So, so yeah,

the grips were tough. I was actually, because you, you hear a lot about the technology. You look at it. We're tailor-made guys. We look at. at the at the tech behind it and the driver and how big the face is and you think like all right

technology allows me to be decent but like I couldn't actually hit a ball like my swing stinks it just allows me I was actually impressed overall at how well we were able to hit like guys were hitting golf shots in our match totally yeah like in the air like pure iron shots yeah yeah like a little divot that like you had to learn the ball had zero spend like zero plus we were playing a super old course in scowland so zero. I mean, you had to land it, even on a chip, you would hit it. You know, if you had a 12-yard chip, you would chip at like three yards, it would hit. And then it wouldn't even really, it would just skid and roll like 50 feet. You'd be like, what the fuck? So that part was really,

really hard. But yeah, guys were off the tee. Somebody would take a nice, buttery swing. And the ball would, you know, a little like baby cut would fly out there. You'd be like, holy shit. And then there's a couple good iron swings guys put on it with this thing that they didn't even, they'd even have a number on it. It was like the guy in the shop was like, yeah, that's probably somewhere between like a six and a eight iron. And then you've got like, this thing might be like a longer iron. It didn't even say anything on it. So you're sitting here like 148 out. You're kind of just guessing. Like, I think I'm going to go with that thing that looks like it's not quite a wedge and hit it. And somebody would make a good swing. Take a little divot. And the ball would like sail. You'd be like,

holy cow, we could actually do it. So I was impressed by that part. Yes, if you put a bad swing on it, the forgiveness was laughable. Like it just would like thud and hurt your hands and the ball wouldn't go anywhere. you got a little bit of both. But, but, um, but yeah, it was a fun, good tight match. And we could actually hit some golf shots. And we also played with the rules where if you broke the club, you, you, you lost that out of the bag. So at one point, Rick just snapped his club and we're just like that, like they were going to go like run him out a new one. And we're like, that's not allowed. Like you have to learn how to hit like he clearly like hit the wrong side of the shaft or it was like a bad shot. It just snapped. And everyone's like it's over. Like you just,

you don't have the spoon anymore. Like it was in a golf shot. I just took a golf shop from the fairway and the club just broke and half. Yeah. A little bit. That's a little unlucky. Well, but also we were saying like you have to conform to like the clubs. You obviously swang like too hard or whatever. Like that's just not what they would have done a hundred years ago.

Like they wouldn't have swung that hard or something. Right. He really like went after an iron and it just snapped and we were just like it's over. Like that's just the rules. So I think I then was like the rule that we stayed on the first team. Like I was I was allowed to use my partners so I could use trends. I had to like if he broke his and they were out of spoons for the rest of the round. It was like the second hole.

He literally broke his home in the first hole. So we're like, if you guys lose both spoons, it's over. It's like the only way you could chip. It does make you think like how people who play golf weekend warriors now are like, I suck so much at golf. It's so hard. And like, imagine what a 15 handicap was like in 1950 because he was probably like a 30 handicap. And he probably thought golf was just the hardest sport that's ever,

anyone's ever conceived of. The game's gotten so much easier in the last 50 years and it's still absolutely fucking impossible. Right. The tech does carry you a decent amount. You don't realize it until you play with clubs like that where you're like, oh shit. Like the technology, the ball, the face, the forgiveness, that shit really matters. It's on the bad shots, right? Like that's what Riggs was saying, where it's like you hit a good one. It's fine. It's like the bad shots that maybe are off the toe of the driver a little bit. Now they kind of go and maybe they're right rough. Like, just doesn't, I mean, I don't, I haven't played around, but I would guess you guys,

it just doesn't fly at all. Right. If you miss the center of the face, it's like, it like dribbles. I was I was I was blown away at how much more doable it was than that like I actually thought it was way more doable than I expected like I thought we were going to go and everybody's going to make double in every hole yeah the ball was just going to like fly sideways out of bounds like it was a mud ball every time and like I said guys were hitting fucking shots and like making pars and and then the other thing is the if you had that exact equipment for the way courses are made now especially over in the US it would be really really really hard but the way the golf is over there. Like I think Frankie or somebody one time was like 70, 80 yards out was like I'm gonna put this thing. So you could like you could put it around right. Like just bump it around and make have good like par looks and stuff a pretty easy amount based on that style of golf right with that equipment.

So I think that almost like I feel like that would net it out whereas you brought him out TPC sawgrass. We played in Myrtle Beach right. Like every course at Myrtle Beach with this equipment you like you would have to be one of the great ball strikers on Earth. Or you just wouldn't be able to play the course. Whereas with that exact equipment, the type of course that we played, within a few holes, you started to finagle like, okay, I could just kind of keep this in front of me and

like have a chance to win this hole. So, so yeah, that would be very different. But, um, but yeah, it was totally different. The ball didn't go anywhere. So it didn't fly like you said, but it was firm as shit. So somebody would hit like a screamer, like cut like almost on accident with like one of the three woods or something. And it would run forever.

Be like, oh, fuck. That was a bob. So it's super fun. This was the finale in Scotland. So check that bad boy out. Black Friday. We've got Black Friday coming out. We've been wearing teasing a lot of the gear.

Big tease effort from Foreplay for the last week or so. We got a bunch of new gear coming out, Black Friday. So around midnight, Eastern Standard Time on Thursday night. Okay. Technically, Trent, Friday morning. But Thursday night, Eastern. I kicked it again. I'm sorry.

Well, let's just fight through it. Do you always kick a lot during the show that we can't see? Yeah. We need to get a camera on your lower half. Fidgety. Oh, I'm so excited about Black Friday. So 20% off, all right? We do 20% off.

That's the deal. Pretty much site-wide. There's a few brands that we are not allowed to discount because they're not discount brands, but basically the whole website, 20% off. So get fired up for that. We got new hoodies. We got pants. We got head covers, hats.

We got all kinds of good stuff on there. So Black Friday, Cybermoney. This will be the last time I could just talk to you before that. Our biggest merch, uh, merch a paloosa of the entire year coming up this weekend. It's as good as it's ever been. We always crush it on Black Friday, Cyber Monday. It's always our best, um, stuff that we put out on sale. But I got to tell you, man, like this stuff, some of these hats that we're putting out,

we finally have a collaboration with melon, which has been like a year in the works. There's such a, it's like been such a process to get our freaking patches on a melon hat. And if you don't know anything about melon, they are expensive hats. but they are so worth it. They've always been like that top tier hat. If you're a hat guy, you know that that's like the number one rated hat that you can get. I remember the first time I was introduced to a melon hat. We were playing in Minnesota and one of the hockey guys was wearing a melon hat.

He looks so cool wearing it. And then we drove over a very low bridge, like over a pond. He took the hat off and like dipped up, like dipped his hat into the pond as we drove through it. And then like put it on his head because it was a hundred degree day. I'm like, what the hell was that? He's like, dude, this is just a, it's a waterproof. incredible hat. Like it's made in San Diego for surfers and they wear the hats as they're surfing. Like they weren't backwards. You can go under the water. Like all of their promos are guys jumping into

the ocean with the hat on coming out. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. So it never gets those lines across the front. All these sweaters, these profusely disgusting sweaters like, like Dan, who like, you have to keep changing. You have to wear like weather gloves just because you can't hold into the golf clubs. You would, you would thrive in a hat like this because you're sweating so much. You would never, ever, ever see any remnants of it. You walk into the bar later that night, no one would be like, ugh, what the hell did you just go through a sauna?

You know, it's actually true because sometimes I go to nice golf courses and I'm thinking about, oh, should I buy a hat? And then I think to myself, especially if it's in the summer, this hat's only going to last me like three rounds until it's basically disgusting and unwearable. So yeah,

you might be spending a little more up front, but that house's going to last you a long ass time. I just needed the explanation because I think people that don't know what it is, like just go do some research on how good of a hat this is. Like, it's crazy how good of a hat it is. It's actually Alistair. I posted a video of us, like, you know, showing the hat in Alster, our guy on what the cornfield was like, this is a huge deal.

He's like, when I'm playing now, I'm wore these hats. Sweat stains are not going to be an issue. I can't tell you how big of an actual difference is. That's from a professional golfer. And they're light, too. You don't feel it on your head. It's wild. It's wild.

But we have a lot of good stuff. Obviously, Peter Millars. Did you guys get the merch package to you that said like a Black Friday exclusive from Peter Millar? Did you guys get those two hoodies that were putting up? Mine's at my brother's house waiting for me. to be there for tech school. Maybe it's in the mail room.

We're putting out these Black Friday exclusive Peter Malar hoodies that are, I didn't even know Peter Malar made these hoodies. They are fucking insane. It's like a zip up hoodie thing. It's so good. It's crazy. I definitely don't have that. Oh, damn.

So gear up, Black Friday, be ready to go, get that, you know, get set, stay awake, stay alive. And then, you know, we do sell out of stuff. So I know people are like, oh, yeah, I'll just wait until Friday afternoon. We sell a lot of stuff. That happens every time. People didn't complain to you. Are you going to release more of these? No, no, no.

If you're not ready at midnight, Thursday night, then we might sell through stuff that you want and you're going to miss out. So be ready to go. And it's a perfect opportunity for the holidays. The holidays are right around the corner. We've been talking about it all episode. Somebody in your family who's a golfer.

Just get them something from the barstle store, a golf apparel thing. And you're going to be set for the holiday. So it's a big day for us. It's a big day for everybody, but things will sell out. And we got these Mac Weldon Hoodies, which we were talking about before the show started.

This is probably one of like the greatest material that I've ever felt before. I'm wearing one around out. So are you. Trent's wearing one. My favorite part about this hoodie is, you know, you put your hands in a little slot kind of by your stomach. These ones have their own slot. So your hands don't rub together during. It's a huge deal because I like to.

There's a little slit in the phone. I like to put my keys in one pocket so they don't scratch my phone. Having the separated pockets where one hand and the other hand, they don't, they're not getting cold by touching each other. Unbelievable. Yeah, they're hand pouched. You feel like an NFL quarterback, basically. You kind of do. It is like an NFL quarterback.

You feel like you're in Rogers. Do you want it to? We're doing everything we can to not call it a pocket. It's a telescope. Slits in the material that allow you to put your arms in. It's a big lens that looks at the light far away. It's a hidden chamber in the material. It's a dungeon for your head.

You ever see what jeans are the, is the brand where they claim that you could put a little condom in it? Is it, you know, what I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about. Are they Wrangler jeans? or, and then like there was like a little compartment in there so that you could, so that you could maybe put like, you know, some powder in there or something, a little baggy. Really? I'm not familiar with this.

I definitely have a pair of pairs of pants where there's a little pocket, but I didn't know that it was. Yeah, there's all these. condoms or cocaine. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what the, you know, because everyone's like, why would there be this very minuscule little mini pocket in there? What is that for? And everyone's like, keep a little baggy in there. They do say.

that if you shouldn't if you have if you're carrying condoms do not put them in your wallet because it'll over time it'll wear down and then when you go to use it it'll break and that that's a whole that has a whole host of problems so if you keep it in the front pocket if you keep in the front pocket it's not it's going to get far less wear and tear so maybe it is a condom pocket we're not selling any of those from black we don't have any condom pockets on our stuff but anyways I think other people do make them for uh you know condoms and cocaine all kinds of cars Do not break the bank this holiday season. Shady rays, that's who we're talking about right now. Shady Rays is an independent sunglasses company that gives you the features of $200 shades for a fraction of the price and a fraction of that price during their biggest Black Friday sale ever.

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Amazing. Special appearance for Mr. Homer, eh? I was blown away at the line. I got to talk about that. The line at the whole place. I know people were seeing footage and clips and all that. Shocking how many people were out there. They're out there well, well in advance.

There was a huge line of like seven, clock. Bar didn't open until nine. And, you know, it's not like they just open and they rush everybody in. They start kind of dripping people through. Um, so that was just that I knew this would be popular. I knew the bar was cool. I had heard a lot of the hype from our business team, from the folks on the side of the company that's kind of running and managing and operating the bar. The hype being, uh, that high was cool. Whatever. It was way higher than I thought. And I could tell because throughout the week, I got a handful of messages from people that the usual suspects, Todd Martin, Josh is, and there are buddies around.

Like, oh, yeah, can I come by Friday night? Sure. Friday evening around like five or six o'clock, it started to be every person in Scottsdale or in Arizona who I have their phone number. I started to get texts from of like, what's the deal with this bar? Can you get me in? Started getting DMs, started getting everything. It was like, oh, I think the hype's pretty fucking real. And it was real.

It was a scene. There were a ton of people there. Yes, Max Homa showed up. Coltono showed up. Gary Woodland showed up. He was out there because amazingly, he shout to our guy cold nose. This is his wedding weekend.

So he, he hit me up. He's like, yo, am I going to be able to come by on Friday? And I was like, aren't you getting fucking married this weekend? He's like,

well, yeah, my wedding festivities will be done by like 10. And then I'm going to come. I was like, Jesus. Okay. So sure enough on Friday night,

you know, he had his, they had like the walk through and then the welcome reception cocktail thing for people from out of town and all that. And then him and Gary Woodland and Max, they rolled by at like 10 or 11 o'clock at night. They were hanging.

It was just one of, things where you're you kind of had to like work the room there's like pen people there's like the sports book people there's the bar people there's like i see gary woodland like dafts me up and i was like okay i got to go i could i talked to him for like four seconds i'm like i got to so there's a lot going on biz was there chicken fry was there um o'mally was there dany who i'd never met was there so there's a big crew um that we were kind of laughing they made us take pictures and we just never met each other before biz rolled in turned the corner and he had a fucking camera guy with him with like a big light

and he's like handing out their beer and I look and I'm like oh you just have a camera so now you got to be on all of a sudden I did a media hit for Fox 2 news right before the whole thing started so I was trying to remain calm the whole time so there's just a fucking million things going on and then meanwhile as that happens of course every four play fan which there was a ton of

Arsenal golf gear being worn and merchandise every four play listener ever was trying to buy me a shot let's go we ruined the night I did a handful of shots nothing too crazy we were doing the champagne flutes, which you guys probably saw me and Max do. So it was just an amazing night. I thought a wild success for the bar. They were trying to keep it.

You could tell, I guess their first night open. So I imagine that's got to be wildly stressful on their end, like the conversations, the text groups, the stuff going on behind the scenes had to be wildly different than what you see going on, you know, whatever, front facing because everybody's just having a good time. So they were trying to not like blow it out too much that they didn't mess up or screw over or screw. up or whatever. But there were still a million people in there at some points. And it was a lot of hot action. It was super fun. And the barstool, Scottsdale bars fucking open now. I thought you held your own in the picture with chicken fry and biz and everybody. Because there was a lot of talk leading up to it that they kind of did you dirty on the flyer. They made you look like Casper the ghost while the

other two look amazing. But I thought in the actual picture when the group got together, I thought you you looked great. I thought you looked really, really good. So that's a, that's a win. That's a W. you. Thank you. Black t-shirt rigs. Sucking in hard. I went black on black, which is about as like, you know, concealing of an outfit as you can go with. Black jeans, black t-shirt, black hat, just try to, like, not look ridiculous. So thank you. I appreciate that. But that was more of a, it was a containment effort, you know, more than it was like, I'm not trying to pop out here. And then, yeah, just get through that. You know, there was some points. It's like there's a couple different groups, like a bunch of the girls at work up at Greyh

Hawk, which I'm up at all the time from the beverage cards of the bar. They were there hanging. And then within like five minutes, like, is there any way you can just introduce us to Brianna chicken fry? And I was like, yeah, yeah, we can do that. Superstar. So there's just a lot of shit going on. But again, overall, it was super, super fun, successful.

I didn't hear any horror stories, which is great. And the buzz around Scottsdale was huge. So it was kind of a surreal moment that, you know, we all, the three of us have been in that office when it was just half of one floor. And now here we are in Scottsdale. which is west, not in our key demographic, especially when we started out, the northeast, the strongholds of Boston and New York and Chicago. Here we are in Arizona in the desert.

And there was just a line around the city to get into the Barstool Bar. Pretty surreal kind of feeling when you were out there. What time do bars close in Scotts? Is it like a 2 a.m. spot? 4 a.m. spot? I think it's like 2. I want to say 2. I don't even know because I'm not that kind of guy.

I think what time did you go home on the first? I don't know. Not sure. How many shots do you think he did? probably one was I did a couple tequila shots pretty early on I could do tequila shots I don't mind that vodka is where it gets dicey just the taste of pure vodka I despise it it's just my it was my first negative reaction in like high school when you drank a lot you know and you had that first horrible night where you drank too much you puked or whatever that was vodka for me so I still have remnants of that there was one where the guy you know come up big four but fan I'd just gotten through talking to a bunch of different you know you know, folks and hold my own, and I got to get back to my crew and hang. And I was right when these couple four play guys were there. They were like, raise you to do a shot with us.

I was like, I'm in. Let's fucking do it. And they were laughing. And I was like, what is this? Like right at the last second. They're like, it's vodka. And I was like, I can't do vodka. We looked around and it was going to be like, you have to wait in line there.

You'd have to wait in line over here to get another one. And I was just like, no, I did it. It was a grind. It was all like, it was peer pressure. It was adrenaline. I got through it. Immediately grabbed a beer. and like that's what I washed it down with was a beer.

So it was, you know, there was, that was like the peak of the night where it could have gotten away from me. But overall, I probably did four or five shots, maybe, nothing too crazy. And then I'm sorry, my drink that I can't drink like yours is vodka is, um, sake. I had a bad experience. Really? Really? Yeah.

You know, one of those like Japanese places, 17 years old, fake ID. We all did sake bombs and like just, it was one of those nights where you just drank sake and had just sushi and there was no meat and there was nothing that was containing all that alcohol. It was just a bunch of raw fish. And I remember just puking all over New York City as just like a very thin, pathetic 17 year old, not knowing what the hell's going on. Why, why am I puking? So every time I drink sake, I still think back to 12 years ago when when I was just, I thought I was going to die on the streets. We went hard on flavored vodka early, like way too early. And then so whenever I'm in the same boat.

What's that? Like that apple vodka type stuff that they had. It's like strawberry vodka, peach, like all of that. We went really hard. So I'm in the same boat with vodka. I just whenever vodka's around and like I mean like I made clear on last show, I don't really do shots anymore anyway. But anything vodka, especially flavored, I'm like,

did you guys ever drink Malibu growing up? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess rum is kind of where we started because it was so sugary. So we used to have like cap. and Morgan's and Coke. And so if I try to drink rum,

do the whole deal or you take the picture. Yeah. Oh, that stuff is. The hangovers from rum because of all the sugar are just brutal. Another thing I wrote down, I was trying to keep notes in real time throughout the night was the security, man,

the security guys. And we had, they, uh, you know, the bar has been fucking phenomenal. And they're like, riggs,

Texas, any names you need. I ended up with like 21 names on the list of like people. It was like, Alistair, uh, our boy, his caddy.

Brady Colkins, who got his corned fairy tour status with Alistair and his crew. So we had a big crew guys that I played golf out here. So we have like our own little section, which they, at the beginning of the night, they didn't really have anybody guarding it because it wasn't crazy or letting people in slowly, whatever. Well, then by the peak of the night, it was fucking chaos. Everybody's trying to get in there. So they put a security guard on like this little, basically the funnel area between our,

kind of area where I had my booth and the bottle service and the whole deal and just the main bar area. And at one point for a while, I'm standing there. And the security guy's like, all right, Riggs, I'm your guy. And we're chatting it up. He's like, you just let me know who should be in and who shouldn't. I'm like, great. Well, then he eventually just somebody would be like two guys would be standing there. And I'd be four feet away from them.

And he would look at me, point at them and go, Riggs, what about them? And I'd be like, I put you on. No. And they're like making eye contact with them. And then they'd just be like, Riggs, come on. And then the security guy would just like kick them out. And then there'd just be two people right behind them. And this would just kept happening the whole night.

And I was eventually, I was like, dude, we got to come up with a better system. Like I can't, you can't just look at me, point my eyes right in their eyes and be like, should they be allowed to hang out with you? And then I say, no, it just wasn't working. So he dogged me a couple times. So there's definitely some fans out there that I just looked right at them and we're like, nope, they can't come over here. But it was, it was super fun.

The bar's great. I'm going there this afternoon for a little Sunday football action. So yeah, awesome opening. Pretty surreal stuff from Barsall's. So there's like tables upstairs. Is that kind of what I gathered from that? It's like a little broke off section. Great spot.

That's very cool. Cool. Okay. World Cup. Do you guys enter the World Cup at all? Yeah, I got it on in the background. Ceremonies. I'm watching it.

Yeah, I've been watching it while we're recording. They're playing right now. It's the second half. Yeah, I was watching it. It's interesting. It's funny. It's funny. They watch everyone

Dance around. Is it Qatar? Is it Qatar? Is it Qatar? I believe it's Qatar. I thought it was going to be Qatar. And then I was listening to the, you know, the opening ceremonies and everything this morning. I believe it's Qatar.

Yeah. And they put a little English on. Obviously, it's like Qatar or something like that. Everyone says it a different way on the, on the panel. I know. I saw, I saw PFT tweet this that like every four years you reminded how much you hate that Alexi. Alexi Lollas.

Lawless, just his smug attitude toward like he knows soccer and no one else, even on the panel knows soccer the way he does. He talks about the American team like they're this juggernaut. Like it's it's one of the craziest things. And they will show that photo of him from when he looked like an absolute lunatic. He was like a Renaissance man with like the red hair going all over the place, the longest beard. And you just get these ridiculously condescending tones from him as he speaks about football that it i i watch him with a rage in my stomach i really do no and no disrespect to him there's just something about it's like every four years you're reminded just like you're right alexie i know nothing about this sport and like everything's fucking a joke to you so i don't know it's like let's

just watch this game i also think there's something kind of uniquely dushy about someone saying football in an american accent that's when he's like we've got to play better football and you're like you just sound like an idiot dude yeah he doesn't say soccer ball it's as Alexi. Just say soccer. It's not what you're doing. Yeah, exactly. I'm a big World Cup guy.

I'm a big soccer guy. I did think there's a lot of propaganda that's rolling out slowly. I don't know if you guys have been like paying attention at all, but there's some of these ads about Qatar about like how you should bring your business there. And it's like, do you really think that there's going to be people in the U.S. who are watching this and think, okay, I'm going to bring my business to Qatar now? Yeah, I mean, it's live golf on steroids right now. It's like, it's on a world stage.

obviously all these atrocities and human rights, they're just getting completely overlooked for the fact that they built in an incredible stadium made out of shipping containers. Did you guys see that? It's the world's first portable stadium that they'll be able to just pick it up and bring it to the next one. Really? Yeah.

So all the actual structure is made out of shipping containers. So like underneath what looks like a tent. So like basically their whole style is a tent because it's like whatever. It's like their culture thing. It looks like the tent that they, grew up in. I was watching the whole video in the morning. You grew up in that? They don't have houses over there?

Well, I think it's like the cultural like, like, yeah. I think each like family has like this sort of tent with like the type of like carpetry on the inside. So the stadium looks like that on a massive scale. It's incredible. But beneath the outside of the tent is just pipes and shipping containers underneath all the steps. It's like that's how they got the structure. There's no concrete. It's all just removable and movable stuff. It's incredible. It's like, it's like, it's like, the first of its kind. I don't know if this is a Midwest thing, but occasionally on the highway, you would see

houses being shipped from town to town on big semis. Yeah. I don't know if that's something you guys saw growing up, but there would just be every once and a while, there would be a lead guy and a follow guy and he would kind of clear everybody out and these houses would be shipped to town to town. A little yellow wide load banner on the front and back. It kind of reminds me, it reminds me that a little bit. Did I see 200 something billion dollar build out for this thing?

I think I saw. It's an outrageous number. And I mean, the opening ceremonies was incredible. Morgan Freeman out there wearing like all black talking about like uniting the world. It was insane. It was like one of the more surreal things I ever seen. But, um, yeah, no. And PFT is a very, he's always a great follow on Twitter, but him talking about like how

outrageous this is and like you like the leader of Qatar is like just sitting there. he was like weeping as like the first kick was like going on meanwhile he's like the worst person on the planet are our pf t and the wanton don't know if that's been a joke oh i can't tell i never know at them the nick the kbs the pfts i can never tell when they're like on a joke or they're actually yeah i wouldn't surprise me the least to see the wantan don go over there no for sure not but there's no beer did you see they announced two days before the first opening game that they're just not going to be serving beer except for in the suites. Anheuser-Busch paid $75 million to be the presenting sponsor.

And they can't. Yeah, you guys should watch the FIFA documentary on Netflix if you haven't watched it about the corruption about how it actually got to Qatar. It is laugh out loud funny. I might need to watch it after. I don't need to watch it after. I don't know if I wanted to affect my viewing this week. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair because it's going to make you look at this thing like a farce. But there are some executive, FIFA executives that are just, some of the most corrupt, brazenly corrupt people that you could ever imagine to the point where you're looking around like, how is this real? How did this actually happen? People hate FIFA, right? Isn't that like the least like organization ever? It's, I mean, because there's this executive committee that they just basically just sold their votes. They're like, you pay me five million, I'll vote for you. You pay me seven million. I'll vote for you. It's, it was that. It was that brazen. There's rumors on Twitter that the, that Qatar paid, uh, Ecuador, eight million dollars.

to throw the game today. And they just, everyone was waiting to see what was going to happen. And then I guess they just didn't take the deal because like the first three minutes a goal was scored, but then it was taken back by VAR. By like a really sketchy VAR too. Yeah. I will say as Qatar like they scored a goal in Qatar. And everyone's like, oh my God.

And then they're like, no, no goal. And everyone's like, here we go. It's happening. Not a great start for for the World Cup for a casual viewer like me. Because I watch that replay and I think goal 100 times out of 100. So for them to take that back, it kind of took the wind out of my World Cup sales. And then the same guy scored, you know, a few minutes later. So it wasn't as big of a deal.

But yeah, the VAR, I see the guys who are into soccer that are in the Barstle universe that I follow. They hate VAR for whatever reason. And I'm sort of with them because I get that maybe they made the right call. I don't know. But when you watch it in real time, that looks like a goal. Like it didn't look like off sides to me. I don't know shit. That's so hypocritical because we've argued about how you want like,

replays and like the right call and all the other sports what were we arguing about where you're like I love strike zones strike zones he wants robot umpires well I want him to get it right VIR is literally scientifically like as right as you can get the guy's shoelace was offside today yeah I just didn't I didn't understand it I was like but you're saying like you're into the moment it looked like a goal you're watching the world cup that's the same thing with me with the world series like if a guy like paints the outside black and like the whole crowd's going crazy and the catcher like brought it back in. It's a strike three. Like that's a fucking strikeout. But you're going to tell me the robots like actually it's a slither. It's like the cunt hair off the fucking. I guess the

difference for me right now is that I'm dropping a hard to see you enough about soccer. Like I know what a strike zone is and when it's so bad in baseball and it's way outside and everybody knows it. And it's like fuck that was tough. And soccer, I guess I don't really know what I'm looking at. I don't know what I don't know the technical definition of off sides apparently. I think you guys I think like what like Zah hates is like it takes moments. away like that like you're explaining like they're fucking amazing rush. That calls you're part of sports I think like you just they did it

it looked good to all the referees are getting paid money to like call the game they thought that that was on the side and then no they have to take like heat it's like heat sensors now in VAR have you seen like the replay I mean they when they did this morning they basically reanimated the play his toe was on his knee cap was on the other side of it while running like 15 miles an hour like he was sprinting so like the fact that your knee lead, like your kneecap lead just a little bit further than the rest of your body is

just insane. And the fact that they don't have that technology for football where we can't just see if the ball crossed the plane. I mean, well, I think I don't understand in American football is how they don't have. That's what I'm saying. How do they have how they don't have a camera on both sides of the end zones. Have you ever noticed that some stadiums just like, we'll only have one view? What are we doing here? That's crazy to me. But also how to get the call, right? I just want to see it on TV. I just want to see it for myself. I just want to see it for myself. I just think they can have a sense for the ball that could find out if the ball crossed the pylon.

If the ball went into the end zone. You know, and like they show replay and it's, it's, you can't see between the guys. Like, let's just, let's just cut through those guys the same way that Qatar just cut through everybody else. Do you guys see the press conference from the president, the FIFA president guys? Yes. Oh, my, there's a part. It's super. I even saw like, uh, I feel like a migrant worker.

The Washington Post described it as like bizarre or whatever. There's a part in there. He goes like, I am European. I am. I am disabled. And he's going through to it. Oh, man. He goes, I am LGBT.

He goes, I am a migrant worker. Okay. He said, I am a migrant worker. Dude, but he did it like, he did it drawn out. Like, he would wait 15. seconds before he would go into another one. So he's like, I am migrant worker. And everyone in the press conference is just quiet.

Like, well, no, I mean, no, you're not. You're like the president. And then he would just sit there silent. He's looking around and he goes like, I am gay. It was unbelievable. It's just too much. It's also just not, and none of it's true. None of those things.

I can't what he's trying to do, but like, you're not. You're a corrupt piece of shit. Like that's, you know, we're asking about that. Why are you taught? Like, what are you, why are you saying these things? He could say I stand with, but like, yes, I am. Yeah, I literally am. This is my favorite thing I saw.

You got to watch it. It's like an SNL bit. It was crazy. All right. Moving on. Bryson DeShabo. So Bryson had some comments about, so he's, he lost whatever 20 pounds last month or so. He came out and basically, like,

self-admitted that bulking up into the Incredible Hulk golf version was not healthy. He said I had such bad, such huge mood swings from it. I looked like I'm 20 again, not 35. I ate things that were not great for my system. I was very sensitive to and ultimately it got to the point where it was a little bit too much. I ate improperly for almost a year and a half and I was starting to feel weird. My gut was all messed up. So I went completely healthy and went on a whole 30 diet, got a nutritionist.

I was super in flame. Now the obvious thing to say is like, oh, who didn't see that coming? Whatever. A couple things I want to say is one, I actually impressed that Bryson admitted this because I felt like he would just double down forever and be like I was right,

but I'm changing because there's new science or something like that. And then the second part of that is how bummed out I am because Bryson as the Incredible Hulk, hitting T shots at Bay Hill, trying to drive par fives. When he hit that first T shot at the Ryder Cup, and he drove the green and made it was like going fucking not i'm going to miss that that's like one of the great redeeming qualities about bryson is how preposterous he is and how that he's just

going to look normal and not like the incredible hulk with a golf club in his hands i'm bummed out about but probably better for his long-term health do we think that brison has yeah true do you do you think that brison has changed his like outlook on what he sees his everlasting image to be i remember when he was like the young guy on the PGA tour, he was always saying that like he's going to change the game of golf because of his one length irons. And like this is going to allow kids that are growing up to like learn the game better and it's going to be more affordable and they're not going to have to make all these adjustments to clubs. And as you grow up, but whatever, he had all these reasonings and he was like, I'm going to change the world. I mean, he told us at one point. Like, I think I'm going to change the game of golf as it's ever been played and will ever be played.

Now, now that he's on live and he's already gone through this whole entire bulking. season thing and he's trying the long drive competition. Like, do you think he's just given up on being like the savior of future golf? Like, like, what do you think Bryson is seeing himself in his image for the next half of his career? I think it's changed dramatically. He sees himself, I think, as like a dreamer and like a tinkerer who will always have his little rabbit hole that he's chasing down.

So I think the distance, the single length irons, all the science stuff, that was the first one, the distance stuff, something else. I know now he wants to use all that and live money to build. like a multi-sport training facility he was talking about in Dallas where he's he wants to create like a hub for the community to be active. I just think he's one of these guys who I, I have a phase guy. He's a phase guy. I was just going to say he's a phase guy.

It jumps in deep, man. Yeah. And I have a friend who's the same way. Every time you see him, it's like, what's up? He's like, yeah, I've been meditating for three hours every day. You're like, oh, that's new. And the next time you see him, he's like, yeah, I haven't, I'm vegan now. Just one of those guys are just bouncing around from thing to think.

Yep. It makes them, that's what makes them tick. Tigers that way. Tiger goes through phases, different swing coaches. He becomes obsessed with shit and then moves on. I feel like Bryson's just obsessed for shit and he moves on. He's obsessed with something different. And that's fine.

That's cool. But what hurts him is he goes all in, all in. And you're thinking like, wow, this is just who he's going to be forever. And then he's like, yeah, it didn't really work out. You know, I actually found something different. And then you're kind of like, well, there's all these clips he talking about how, like, anyone who doesn't do this is crazy. it hurts him, but it's also that willingness to go that deep that makes him successful.

Like the distance thing, I would argue, worked. I mean, it worked to the point where he got a U.S. Open and he changed Rory McElroy's approach to distance for a little while. Like that is, that works. Now, he has abandoned it and he will find something new within the next couple of months and he will go all in on that. And then maybe it'll work. Maybe it won't. And he'll just leave it behind. And I agree.

He's a phase. guy hard phase guy by the way dan the thing that you described the hub that he wants to create yeah you just wants to create a crossfit hub somewhere and like get people more active that's very bizarre but it's very it's like it's like a driving range slash gym slash he's he called it a multi sport complex innovative no all of his chapters his career has been they've been chaotic they've been quick but they have been successful each one each chapter as he's gone through like yeah like you know, even wearing the hat was like extremely successful for his brand and his image. And like that was like a very quick thing too.

Then he went on to just wearing like a big pee on his head and just a flatbrim. Like he completely changes everything every couple every couple years. But they're all successful. He's never really missed. Like even going to live like guy made a shit ton of money. Everything about his career has been a huge success compared to every other golfer on the planet. He's like the top top 0000, 0.00.1% of the guys that have done it.

like the way he's done it. And it makes him super interesting. People, because he's online, that ability to dive so deeply into things that are not normal, quote on quote, like nobody else, I don't do that.

I do the same thing every single day. And I say I'm going to change. I end up doing the same thing every single day. He says I'm going to change and then he actually does. If we did a four play specific, uh, pip, I bet.

there's a chance bryson would be the second most talked about golf individual in the history of our show besides tiger yeah i would say it's i would say it's not even close it's brice i'd say it's not even close yeah right i mean he's been a gift there was a phase last year or like for a year it was every week there were like two or three new key storylines he's sprits and golf balls he's a million pounds he's banging his head against the fucking grandstands on the driving range like brooky every week the brooky stuff like holy fuck he's got to be number two and i think it's probably not even close i think one of the crazy things when we look back on this bryson chapter in a couple years is the fact that he convinced unknowingly rory mackleroy to like try to be like him and we look at rory

mackleroy now and he's like the contents of the pgator and we look at bryson de chambot and he's talking about how, yeah, it turns out eating eight protein shakes a day is probably not great for your gut health. There was a period of time there when Rory McElroy in his mansion in Jupiter, Florida, with his beautiful wife and his beautiful, was looking at Bryson, grunting and screaming and swinging out of his shoes and said, I got to try it. I got to try it. And he gave it a good effort.

And he even said, he was like, look, I was watching Bryson and I went down some rabbit holes that I shouldn't have gone on. The fact that Rory did that is wild. He looked at Bryson and said, give me some of that. And when he was probably the last guy on the planet who needed to do that. Right, right. In terms of driving the golf ball. He didn't need to.

He wasn't at Kevin Kisner out there who was like, I need more distance. I need to get in the 300s. He was like, I'm already at the top and I want to go even further. He had Tony Fee now bringing the club all the way back. Bryson had people going crazy. And now he's abandoned it. But again, he got his U.S. open. So it worked.

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And then obviously we had him on a few months later. But, yeah, that'd be fun if he held on. I think our folks like that. Of the PGA tour events to win, I think this is sneaky one of the best ones because you're right before the time off. and it's right before Thanksgiving. You get this win. You're one of these guys from the corned freight tour. You're like, holy, I'm in the masters next year.

You're like, I'm safe for two more years. And I got Thanksgiving with the family now. Dude, I'm a little bit bummed because we came up with this revolutionary idea to talk about betting on golf on Tuesday show before the tournament starts instead of Thursday in the middle of the tournament. And then now there's just not really PGA tour golf for like months. I mean, there's the year old. There's little stuff here and there.

but really not, not, you know. Right. We're hearing from behind the scenes that are like the gambling thing was great. It did really well. Keep doing it. And we can't. We're going to go on break for a couple months. That's very us to the front to have that happened.

Just for play, man. Nobody does it better than the squad there. Anybody getting anything decent this last weekend? Am I doing anything fun? Yeah, I played some golf. I asked a bunch of my buddies to be in my, I, oh, so I asked a bunch of my buddies to be in my wedding party. Sorry, Dan, you didn't make the cut.

But, uh, I was, I was waiting for, I was waiting for my handwritten note. No, but, um, no, it was a fun day. I had them all out. So it was hard to, like, get them to all come play a 28 degree round of golf. Like, it was 33 with a wind chill of like, that got it down to like 25. And I'm like, yeah, like a couple weeks ago. I'm like, I want to have like one final round at Colonial, you know, like, just go all out. We'll have a bunch of drinks, get dinner inside the clubhouse, get the fire.

going let's just play and they're like oh why can we play this weekend it was like 70 degrees last week i'm like ah you know i just like want to get everyone together on the same day they're like is your brother in the law coming i'm like yeah yeah my brother he's like he's like you never gossiped us i'm like it's all right we're just going to do a whole thing like you know everyone's going to be there i had my boy brian axorad from jersey it's like he's like why are we golfing this war like let's go bowling or something like what are we doing like it's insane this is insane the wind was whipping and finally so i walk him into the clubhouse right before we play and i had a whole thing set up i got them Peter Millar scripted outfits just like we get for the Thursday through Sunday.

We watched the major. So it had all their names, the ribbon. Each guy got a different thing with like a shirt, college shirt, hoodie and pants. It was awesome. They were very, very excited. So then once I gave that to them, I said, okay, now that you've all said yes and we're having fun, like if you guys don't want to go golf, we don't have, like we don't have to, but they were so jacked up that we went out there.

And man, it was a fun round. Like when you're, when you're braving the elements like that, it's almost like that. like that's the most fun part like watching guys like swinging and missing and like their hands are cold and we're all like drinking bourbon and like that like the golf meant nothing like when you finally had a good shot you went crazy like it was just about surviving and like laughing about how cold it was so we made it through all 18 holes um big rob yeah i've talked a lot about big rob and he just always delivers this guy there's nobody like this guy he's a six foot six absolute mammoth of a human being hair falling out, teeth falling at in his sandwiches, always has the story, steps up to

the 18th T of Colonial, waters on the right, winds whipping. He made like a birdie coming in. The guy's the worst golfer for the amount of golf he's played on the planet, pound for pound the worst golfer. Like, he's played so much golf in his life. And to be able to not hit the ball the way he does, it's insane. Trent made a face. Might be your boy. You're getting there. It is getting crazy. I'll give him running at that title. We got to at least talk about the possibility that you're in the conversation. Yeah, you're in the conversation. You're in the top 10 for sure.

You probably play the most golf or someone that hasn't broke 90. That's got to be in the conversation. That's got to be in the conversation, right? Conversations. Robbie just swings and misses. There was a, I would say that if you gave me a thousand chances to try and replicate that ball falling off the tee like that with a full swing, I don't think I'd ever be able to do it.

I either swing and miss or I would just hit it better. You know, I just can't. You can't take a. swing like that and just have it tip off the tea like that. So amazing time got went to a cigar shop here in my town. We just like stumbled into the cigar shop. Coolest place ever, man, like pool table, cigars, like TVs. That's all you really need in this life is just like playing pool and just watching TV. I see you becoming a big cigar guy like a Steve Wilco's situation. I enjoy it, man. I'm not going to get that crazy because like you walk in the house and like I had to change like outside in

the garage because like smell just. Like everyone that's walked into the house since has been like, oh, it stinks in here. Because we had seven guys come back to the house all reeking like cigars. It makes me think, how the fuck do you work in a cigar shop? Like, are you just, is that your life? Like, you just smell like a chimney 24-7? Because there's no way to get away from it. Yeah, I think that happens.

I think it just becomes a part of your personality. Dude, I realize this year, I get kind of fucked up from cigars. Big time. Yeah. Lightheaded, dizzy. Fucked up. Yeah. Like, I had a.

stint there. We had the whole macanudo thing going on where I really was into the cigar. We had a couple trips we did where we were rocking cigars. I really didn't notice it that much. Then this year, for whatever reason, pretty much every time I've had one, I get like, almost get like the spins. I just like can't handle a fucking cigar. Yeah. It's very reminiscent when I used to try dipping as a, as like an early 20s guy. Makes sense because it's all tobacco. But that first like 20 minutes with a cigar is you're, you feel fucked up and it's really nice. And then you start to spiral a little bit. Totally.

You get the spins and you kind of feel like you're going to throw up. And I do think you, like our bodies just aren't used to it because we're not big cigar guys. But I bet if you if you do it enough, I'm sure it would go away. But I don't do it. So every time I do it, I'm on Pluto. Yeah. Zins kind of ruined that for me. The scars don't, don't mess me up as much as I wish they did.

Well, you're a big tobacco user. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, I actually got a policy. Technically not tobacco. There's no nicotine. There's no tobacco in Zins. There's actually. I enjoy like going up to the glass and seeing, like you act like you know what you're talking about.

You're like, oh, that one looks kind of nice. Like you go based off the colors and the names and the logos. And at this kind of place, it's kind of like a club. So the guys there all knew what they were talking about. And they had all these amazing cutters and these ridiculous lighters that could legit burn your face off. Like it was like you basically stepped on something and a gas flame shot out all the way head high. And you're just like sitting there like, oh shit. And then you realize you don't really know how to smoke it because like I kept going over relighting it.

And all these guys are, all these older guys are sitting in these, like, these chairs watching me past them from the pool room to, like, where I had to go light it. And they're like, dude, like, how is that thing out already? You know what I mean? Next time you got to take a bick with you and just keep it. I know what I'm talking about them? When you have to keep lighting it and everyone's like, Jesus, dude. Every time. I do like the coolness of it.

I like cutting it and lighting it and like holding it and the whole. That part's very cool. I wish I could, I wish they didn't fuck me up as much because it makes me. afraid of them. Yeah, I mean, it's what, like, that's why cigarettes were the thing back, like, when our parents were growing up, it was like Joe Camel and was like sitting up against a wall. There's the coolest look of all time. So now you take a cigar.

Still cool. It's even like, it's even more cool. It's like bigger. It's more puff. It's just like everything about it. It's just like, it's a cigarette on, on steroids. So, yeah, it's the coolest look ever. What's the status of Cuban cigars?

Can you, are they, are we back with Cuba? or are they still not okay? Well, I think when we had the macanudo's partnership, they told us that essentially all these big brand cigar companies have brought over the best, like, rollers and people from the Cuban industry to now. It's like baseball. Yeah, they've now just like, yeah, they've been accepted like, now every single like cigar can be as good.

That's kind of like the explanation they gave us. We're pretty cool with Cuba now. You can go to Cuba. Yeah. That's what I thought. I know a girl went to Cuba, one of my college friends. She went to Cuba like, what is it, like Havana? What's the...

Yeah, Havana is the capital city. She went there like within a year after they, you know, lifted it for the first time in however many decades. And a bunch of pictures, it looked fucking awesome. So I think we're a bunch of cool. We're in a better place with Cuba. Didn't the MLB do like opening series there or like spring training there? Yeah, recently. A little sport diplomacy, baby.

There you go. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's funny, Frankie. I remember on Thursday, so this last Thursday, we were playing out at, uh, gray hawk it was like 445 he had about 45 minutes more at daylight it was like 66 degrees the shadows were just like draping across the back nine on the talent course and one of my buddies was like how about there's people out there right now that are just millions of them in like 25 degree weather

that are like well i just could never imagine not living in the seasons it was just absolutely perfect out there uh but we used to do up at granuling because we did a silly season. God, what do we call it? Call it something crazy. But people do like the ice bowl, all kinds of golf like that. And that is incredibly fun

because you're all just rallying around how ridiculous it is. And not really giving a fuck about the golf. So, so yeah, I love the big Rob. I like that you kind of gave it a little bit of the lurch water skiing treatment.

Occasionally, I think you hit them with like Titanic, which was really good. I got more responses from that than anything I've ever put up. Like just every athlete that follows me, like Kyle Rudolph was going crazy. I think JJ Watt liked it was like talking me about just every guy that possibly could have followed me on Instagram responded being like there's no way this guy just did that.

First of all, it takes a practice swing and then doesn't move closer to the ball. Did you know his? So he takes a full practice swing. We all go, whoa, as he does it. And then just addresses the ball from the same stance. It's like the craziest thing ever. Well, so then to cap off my weekend just real quick. I went to a bar last night and ran into my high school golf coach,

Coach Reynolds, East Meadow High School. And we had just like the longest talk. We've always kept in touch. He always texts me like how proud he is, how insane this is. And we really got talking. And I was like,

man, aside from like my grandfather and my dad and Tiger Woods, you, you had to have been like the most influential part of like what I ended up becoming and like, and me loving the game of golf. Because like, without him, I really think that he instilled, like, wanting to get better at the game and also made it a lot more fun than I always thought it was. So, like, I love playing with my dad. And it was

always be like a big moment when you went in golf. But then playing high school golf was something totally different. Like, let's actually try and get good as opposed to, like, making it feel like it's a lucky, like, big moment when you're going out there. That's what it always was with my dad. But then now of a sense, like, you're playing every day. Coach Reynolds is, like, working on your swing. It was insane. And like, it gave you that, like, it's. And we're talking, talking. He was just like getting emotional. I'm like, this is like the coolest shit of all time. We're like watching the Islanders lose. And I'm like, I'm a lunatic going crazy and then going back into like a crying conversation. But no, it was it was a lot of fun. And also like he was telling me his side

of the story. He was coaching wrestling and he was coaching like football. And then he needed something in the fall. But it was basically golf was in the same season as baseball at East Meadow High School. And he, so my my freshman year, I didn't play golf. I just played baseball. But I just played baseball. But, It was the same season. So Coach Reynolds needed something to do in the fall. So he petitioned to have golf moved to the fall because he thought that a lot of the baseball players wanted to play. And when he did that, we all went over and played golf.

And he got me and my six boys that like we all went from baseball to golf. And he got us all addicted to it because like we never even would have thought of it. It would have been the thing that everyone kind of has. Like you played golf a little bit growing up and that is what it is. But without that move for him, we never play. So yeah, it's, it's amazing to see people from your your childhood that like, sculpted your path to where you are. And it's so like when you think about like teachers and coaches,

how like selfless it is that they put all those time and effort into it. And they ends up making a difference in people's lives. It's really, it's really incredible. So it was really fun to see him. It is pretty wild to think about like lives people choose to live that are just almost purely selfless. Yeah. That guy's life coaching, teaching, those types of gigs are like their whole life is just

about improving other people's lives. And you get so caught up like the rat race or, you know, there's all chatter about billionaires and people making money just for themselves and all the bullshit. It's like, oh, yeah, somebody like that coach affected your life, like your life without him. There's probably no way you're here, like in this spot doing what you're doing. And that's like that for hundreds or thousands of people that he's been involved in. That's what I was going to say is how many people, because like you feel like you have these relationships with your teachers.

And then you're gone. And then there's another grade and another grade and another grade. And they've really like impacted so, so many lives. And then you see them on Facebook or something and you send them a message and then they're just like, yeah, they probably get a smile out of it. And then they move on to the kids that they're changing their lives now. It's very cool. I could sense that me telling him that story you could see is like face changing and being like, wow, man, like probably didn't like recognize that this was happening when I was coaching. And now like seeing like he, he says he watches me as if like I'm one of his kids.

kids like he sees me on like golfing at car noosey he's like what he's like we played eyes and hour white every day now you're like playing carnusty and you're playing with like roaring mackeroe in a one club challenge like i couldn't even get you to like hit a wed shot in 10th grade this is insane this is insane like what happened so yeah it was very very very very cool so shout out teachers and coaches perspective shout out teachers and coaches um all right boys well we have web simpson coming up next so uh so yeah That's pretty much it. Excited to have him on. First time ever.

We've had a lot of contact. So excited to hear some stories, chit chat with, with Webb. And then excited for Thanksgiving. So everybody gear up for Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Barstow Classic Championship. We got obviously a little week of holidays and chilling. And then we're right back at it with a bunch of stuff coming up. So right before we finish,

we have to talk about what we're doing, you know, on the breaking 90's side. Just because it's Thanksgiving doesn't mean that this ship stops. It doesn't mean that this train slows down. going. What's going on this week? We're going to Georgia, baby. We're going to see our guy Tillery. Yeah, the reason we're recording on Sunday is because Frankie and I are traveling early Monday morning heading back down to Georgia, which I'm sure will please a lot of people. We're going back down there.

I've been talking back before with the JT being like, I got to come back down there. He's like, dude, I've been watching. Just come down here. We're going to get this thing figured out. Don't worry about it. And this time, Frankie's coming with us. I think it's a good idea for Frankie to come because obviously you're the guy who plays the most golf with me and sees the most flaws and the most errors in my game. So to be able to bring you and have you talk to Tilly because, you know, when I'm down there, I mean, he watches the videos, but I'm not going to be completely forward with all my flaws. I'm a human being. I want to be like, things are going pretty good. I'm in the mid-90s pretty consistently. We just got to clean up a couple of things.

And Frankie Borelli is going to kick down that door like the Kool-Aid man and be like, there are so, there's so much wrong with this guy's golf game. that we got to fix. So I think it's going to be very beneficial for Frankie to come with us. We're going to go down there for two days. We're going to do a bunch of training. Just like the last couple of times we've done it. I'm very excited to get back down there.

I'm very excited to see John Tilleri. We're going down there and we're going to get this thing figured out. We are not stopping. Just because the weather's turning doesn't mean this thing's going to slow down. We're going to do what we have to do to get me under 90. And we're getting back to what the roots of the series is. It's like, can a guy get better at the game of golf and break through this threshold that he hasn't been able to get to break through yet like this is this is what breaking 90 is it's

like trying to get better not just keep attempting it so i'm really really happy that we're doing this you're going to become a better golfer from it we also are going to yeah we're going to do an actual round of breaking 90 after the lesson so i think you're going to break it like fresh off a lesson with j t you're going to be playing the best golf you've ever played up until that moment i think for sure you're going to have it just all in your head we're going to play the best most smartest game of golf that you've ever played and I think we break it in the next episode. So we're going to do one episode of a lesson and then we're going to do one episode of the attempt. And I think the series is over from there. I really, really think he's going to do it. Let's go. That fires me up.

Trent, are you feeling enormous pressure when you play these rounds of golf at this point? It is getting to that point. And I think it's, it's a little unfortunate in a couple ways, or at least one way, where breaking 100 was we had, we had so much fun. And the videos you can see where it's it's just pure joy. It's that new car where, oh, now we're going to try to improve for real for the first time. And it's all joy and we have a lot of fun with it. And I think breaking 90 started that same way. And we are now getting to the point where I feel the pressure and people can see it.

I'm pretty sure where they're like, hey man, even my dad will text me like, you just got to relax, dude. You just got to just chill out a little bit because I am pushing. I'm pushing. I'm pressing because I want to do it so badly. and I got people in my ear all the time, you know, DMs, tweets, you know, comments where they're just like, you got to do this, you got to do this, you got to do this. And I have been probably pressing a little bit too much these last couple episodes. And I get so frustrated.

So yeah, there is pressure to it now. And I'm very excited to see JT because he's such a cool customer that he'll be like, shut all that noise out. Talk to me. Let's work on a few things. Get your mind right. Get your game right. And let's go out there. the fresh perspective. But to answer your question, yes, I have been feeling the pressure.

And I'm sure people have seen it. Makes it way harder, man. Makes it way harder. I'm looking for the, um, there was a comment. I mean, people love this series so much. Like every, there's a million comments on the last video that we put out. But there was someone every single time writes Trent's scores, his official scores. I don't know if Brendan back there has a list of what he's shot so far. But when you read them, it's, insane that the series is called breaking 90 when he finally officially does it it's going to be the craziest thing of all time so to sit there and act like he's supposed to do it every time like people are getting mad and they're getting angry the day he does do it the series is over that's how

insane of an accomplishment it's going to be so when you read through his list it's like 97 96 94 92 95 95 94 97 like those are legitimate attempts to try and do the one thing he's trying to do his whole entire series is like break 90 once it's not like he's shooting 112s or 110s or 105s this guy's right there a 94 is like one bad hole it's like a bad drive behind a tree that he made a seven on it should have been it's also like he's trying to post a score that is like 15 to 20 shots lower than when we started this whole franchise brookville when i when i when we saw joe la kava actually yeah i shot a 122 yeah Yeah, and you're playing golf too. I think that's what people really need to is like you, there's no Mulligans, there's no gimmies, there's no take twos. Like you,

you know that when you break 90, you'll be able to rest easy knowing that you actually broke 90. Well, that was something that came out of breaking 100 where people were saying, people will critique and be like, you got to do this, you got to do this. And then other people would comment to them being like,

you guys don't understand that he's playing ball and hole. You understand it, but you got to really zero in on what that means. because most people, the majority of people, do not play ball and hole. Almost nobody. Almost nobody. The pros do it during tournaments. It's slow as fuck.

And it just nobody does it because you don't have to. It's that's not really a part of it. And you're probably shaving five to seven strokes around. So if you're saying that you're shooting in the mid 80s, you're probably the low 90s. So then bring it to me. I do it every round. We do it on camera. And it's just, it's a hard thing to do.

And I have been getting frustrated. but I'm really trying. So someone actually commented like, and they're so into it. It's got to be so hard because golf is so mental and it's like you don't, you hate yourself more than you hate anything else in the game. And the fact that everyone's watching this guy and breaking down his own game like this and getting angry at him is insane. But this one guy pulled some stats.

And I don't know the validity of this, but he basically wrote like the breakdowns of where Trent and his last attempt messed up. And it was penalties zero. So you had no out of bounds, no water balls. which is really, really good. It is. Three putts. He only had two through a whole round of 18, which is, I mean, pretty good.

That's really good on hard greens. Now, I'm trying to think back. Like, is that correct? You only had three, two, three puttts? I putted really well the last round. Wow. So then he's saying average driving distance was 192 based off of what he saw. And that's just got to be further.

We only played from 6,000 yards. So that's something we have to work on with JT is like getting further off the T. you have the ability to do it. You've done it before. Your furthest one in this round was 220, he claims, and your shortest was 155. Like a 155 leaves us with no chance to ever hit a green regulation.

You know what I mean? Like, we're eliminating the idea of ever having an easy par putt. Then he's saying you had seven shots that were probably like duffs, like either tops or like a wedge went nowhere. And those are seven shots that we can eliminate by just having a better system, I think, with JT.

Like, you should never like have that swing where you swing and the ball goes three inches. is where you top it. You know what I mean? Like that's a waste of a golf shot. If you advance the ball left or right, I think we're in a better place just by doing that. So yeah, it's a, it is, um, we're right there. Like these are stats that are like fixable. Like, you know what I mean? Like just eliminating tops is something I think you can do. It's, um, that was Hank Haney's big three was like when it, at every level of golf, whether you're trying to break a hundred or whether you're trying to win a major. Eliminate penalty strokes, eliminate three puts, eliminate multiple chips. That was his,

that was his thing. Like if you're chipping a couple times in a row, that hurts. Three putts hurt. Penalty strokes kill you. Eliminate those three and everybody will score better. It's amazing you took no penalty shots and only a couple three puts the last round. Like those are good signs.

Yes. You're close. It's happening very soon. Yeah. Come on. I'm excited to see JT. I'm very excited. All right, boys.

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Well, thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for having me all. Absolutely. Now, we're excited to. I got to imagine right now, I mean, we'll just kind of hop right in, but I imagine right now you're kind of hitting a little bit of a break. You got to be excited for a break? Yeah. You know, breaks are different for me now. I feel like I've been on break for like two years because I've scaled back. I used to play kind of a normal amount like 25, 26 a year.

But I've had a lot of time off this fall. And I'm actually in an interesting place right now because I got a lot of work to do. Like I got a, I don't feel the need for time off like I used to because I used to just play a lot more and be in contention more so it's more tiring but now like it's been a while since i've been a contention so i'm kind of eager to get back you know uh playing better so i'll take a little time off but yeah i'll be grinding here shortly is any of that attributed to you know family and we kind of hear obviously when guys are younger you're a little bit more on your own you got time to do whatever you want you've pretty much been chasing golf your whole life that's all you do you know you get married

you have kids, you have homes, you start to have more priorities in life. Do you think that's contributed a lot to you scaling back or not playing as well as you'd like? Yeah, it all started when this was probably like six years ago and I really wanted to be consistently a top player. And I started really looking at what are the top players do differently than I do. And I looked at Dustin's schedule, who else, Brooks's schedule, maybe might have been Rory as well. And they just didn't play as much as I was playing. You know, they were at 20 to 22 events it seemed like at the time. And I'm like, you know, Polly does mention to me after some time off, like I'm fresher mentally.

I don't complain as much. I'm mentally sharper. And so maybe there's something to getting away from the game, at least tournament at a tournament level, still be sharp while I'm home. So that was kind of the start of it. And I scale back to like 21, 22. But yeah, five kids, 11 and under. it's a lot easier to leave when they're like babies because obviously they can't quantify time like we can but then they get older and it's like man they have stuff throughout the week that

I don't want to miss um and it just yeah you feel that rub a little bit and that tension as a father and that's another reason I'm cutting back a little bit more but I still you know I still want to play full time and I still want to be competitive but um yeah I'm I'm 37 and I feel like 20 years ago, I'm entering the prime, but now, as you guys know, prime's like 25 to 30. Right. And I was going to ask about that is it really has shifted a lot in the past, really in the past five or 10 years, it feels like. But it's interesting what you were saying about playing less, but not feeling like that necessarily means that you're sacrificing your game. Like you said, the top guys have played in that kind of 20 to 24 range. Is that is that true? I mean, is that a real thing where you're, you feel like despite the fact that you are maybe playing a little bit less or your focus has shifted a little bit more toward your family, you don't feel like you're giving stuff up in golf? Or do you feel like you're not pushing it quite as hard as you used to?

That's a great question. I think there comes a point in probably every golfer, every person's life where you can't go full throttle either way. You have to sacrifice one way or the other or a little bit of both. And sure, like this summer, I miss my daughter's birthday. because I wasn't guaranteed to get in the playoffs and I needed to go play a golf tournament during her birthday to get some points.

And so there's hard things like that that are just a reality. But I think a lot of that comes throughout the year in different moments and you have to have a family who understands that me going to play a golf tournament doesn't mean I love golf more than my daughter and she knows that.

It's just the reality of my job. Like I needed to go play. But then, you know, from a golf standpoint, if all I cared about was golf and getting to the highest level, sure, I would do a lot of things differently, but I just can't do them. Putting in more time, being on the road a lot more, you know, going to Florida for a month in the winter to get ready for Hawaii, those kind of things. But yeah, I mean, just hearing you talk about obviously the balance, right?

The balance is something we hear about a lot, but the average golfer, average fan doesn't really have any idea about that balance. I'm always struck by how much energy and focus a professional golfer needs to have for an entire week because playing a normal round of golf for an average player, we're not focused on half the shots, three-fourths of the shots, right? Like truly in it and focused. And so to be that way, not just for 36 holes, 72 holes, but really the whole week leading up, I imagine, like, if you had some moments where you're like,

man, just mentally, I just, for the last couple shots or the last nine holes, wherever, I just wasn't in it. Oh, yeah. Happens all the time, especially on the end of a stretch of like three out of four or two in a row, three in a row, whatever it is. I feel like there's almost two people inside of me where like I have to talk to myself, like tell myself to focus. And I don't like getting to the place where I'm not nervous, but I feel like at the

end of a stretch, I lose some of those nerves that I've come to love because those, that adrenaline fires me up and those nerves and the adrenaline helps me focus. That's why I've always said, like my favorite pairings are in the past historically I've been with Tiger, Phil, Rory, just big names because there's so much going on that you have to focus and it helps your attention span to be kind of zeroed in on what you're doing. So for sure, like I am, you do become very exhausted at the end of a stretch to where you don't, it's not really golf you want to get away from. It's like tour life.

Like everybody's watching you all the time. So that's what's nice about getting home. You talked a lot about or you mentioned that the prime has changed. And I just remember when you won the U.S. Open, you were 26. You were like a young gun, right? That was like, oh, a 26-year-old guy, new guy on the scene. now we see guys winning 21, 22, 23. Someone who's been out there throughout the last decade,

what is it about the young players that makes them so much better? When you play with these guys, what's different about a 23-year-old kid now versus a 23-year-old kid in 2009? Well, my caddy and I are still trying to figure it out. I think one thing is they're not near as nervous as we always were. And, you know, Polly played on tour, I think, 97, parts of 97, parts of 99. He says then, like, no one came out unless,

your Tiger Woods or someone like that, where you were already ready to play against these veterans, there was a learning curve. It now seems like there's not really even a learning curve. Like, guys in college are, they're bigger, they hit it further, they're more confident. It seems like there's maybe more access to play at a higher level than there used to be tournament directors are letting more college kids play. I think that has something to do with it. But I do think the Tiger Effect was real. He inspired a generation of players. who believe that they could, you know, be incredible at this game at a young age. And so, you know, guys from age 10 on, it seemed like, started to want to play golf because

golf was a cool sport. Before golf was a dorky sport. Like, when I was growing up, I played golf and tennis for the country club sports of the dorky sports. But now it became like a cool sport. And then Ricky Fowler, I think, helped that big time. Little rickies everywhere. But, yeah, they're just, they're ready to go.

Scotty Sheffler, you know, in his, whatever it was, second year on tour, just had a monster year. And it's like he's been doing this for 15 years. Y'all's guess is as good as mine. I'm really curious if you've ever felt the temptation to change your game or try to chase, you know, because you're not somebody who overpowers a golf course, not the longest hitter out there. When you are paired with over the years, Tiger or the young guns coming out there, Like has Webb Sampson ever had that Shooter McAvin moment where you're like trying to do somebody else's swing or change your game and all? Is it hard for you to just stay within your game? Yeah. That's a great question you ask because starting, I say, 2018, I'm like, I have to get longer. Like I keep having these carries, these bunkers or these corner of a fairway that's like $2.90 and I don't have that. Like I'm playing with these guys every week who they're able to fly these bunkers.

and they're able to play these golf courses and it's way easier for them. Sure, I have strengths like hitting it straight, you know, hitting my irons well, but like they're killing me when it comes to certain golf courses. I got to do something. So I hired one of the long drive guys to kind of help me out a little bit. Just more than anything, give me some tips on how can I hit it further. I started trying to hit more up on it. With my driver, I used to hit like four down and then I got to be like four or five up. So I changed that. It's a huge. change. A huge change.

I fell down is like what that's, that's one of the more down the numbers that I've heard. You hear guys going from like minus one to plus three. Yeah. You were minus four. Minus four. I got up as high as probably plus six. And I mean,

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for 30% off it's funny you you were talking about you know chasing distance and whether it was worth it and you you said basically yes but there were drawbacks do you think we're going to see that more you know almost like a like a quick payoff and a long term problem because you know obviously anytime you talk about bulkups you think about bryson and he just made some comments last week where he basically said, you know, I won the U.S. Open. It worked, but, you know, I did some things in my body where it made me unhealthy. We've seen other guys who have gotten injured. Maybe they've had a little temporary spike. Is it possible that chasing the distance will turn out to be something that pays dividends in the short term, but maybe not in the long term?

Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it because I can't say until my career is done, whether or not it was worth it. I think it was worth it right now because of the year. I had in 20, but I've also had two years, almost two years now, playing really bad golf. And, you know, I think of Rory. He tried to get longer, and he definitely got faster, but it cost him a little bit. And it seems like Bryson, Rory, and myself, we're all doing the same thing. We're trying to actually go back to where we were before, before we got longer. Now, the cool thing is, I don't know if this works for everybody, but I've kept my distance. It's like I've lost 20 pounds in the last year, not trying to.

I'm just not lifting the same. And I've kept my distance. So my speed is as high as it's ever been. But I never thought I was going to affect my irons like it has. And that's been kind of the biggest disappointment and the biggest hurdle to get over. Because, you know, you look at my career. Most years, I'm probably top 30 in approach to the green. And that's suffered big time the last couple of years.

And so I think time will tell whether it was worth it. But I mean, you asked me earlier about these college guys or these young guys. Most guys coming out now are already really long. So it's like not even a thing for them. They're just already hitting it 3.30. And that's normal. Right. We were talking about we were playing some golf with some college guys a couple of weeks ago.

And I was saying, and I don't know if you agree with this, that if you took the average driving distance at the NCAA championship, it might be more than your average PG-12. event. It probably would be. Because these kids just grow up with trackman and they grow up trying to hit four up on it. And also the courses aren't quite as penal. So they're just gripping it and ripping it.

But we were watching these two guys hit the ball. And I hit it a long way and they were 30, 40 yards by me. It's a totally new level. Yeah. And I've been, I probably should be more vocal on kind of what I think about distance. I'm just not very, I don't get involved in these conversations like a lot of guys do. But architecture now, it seems like every new. redesign, they're playing into the hands of these 3.30 yard box.

Yeah. No trees. Yeah. No trouble. And so there's incentive for these young guys to learn how to hit it far because that's what they're going to experience at this level. It's interesting that you say that the redoes recently that you've seen actually play more into their hands.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's hardly ever redo where I show up and guys, my link show up and like, oh, this is better. You know, it's like, why did they do this? Like, this hole was already hard, and now it's, it's longer and harder. And it plays into the hands of guys who can hit at 3.30. I feel like you're an architecture guy, the kind of courses you live on,

you like Donald Ross, you're out of Pioneers. I feel like you get pretty into the architecture. I do. I love, I love seeing things that make sense. And I don't think I could ever start from scratch. But, like, there's tons of moments when I'm playing golf courses where I'm like, Why did they do this, this only benefits one player, the guy who can hit at 3.30? Because most of the time, amateurs are playing these courses.

We're there once a week or one week a year. So it's almost like they're trying to cater to the less than 1% of us who are on the PGA tour. Whereas I feel like golf courses like TPC Sawgrass, Harbor Town. I know people are like, oh, it's because you've won there. But no, you look at the scores over the years, these golf courses really haven't gotten much longer at all. And the scores are basically the same as they've always been because the difficulty is in the rough, the narrowness of the fairways and the smallness of the greens. Now it's like big, open, wide, big greens. Was Olympic club a little bit that way where I feel like it wasn't necessarily for an open, like, bombing, bombing it.

It wasn't overly crazy long. It's a lot of the side hill lies and the trickier shots and, you know. Yeah, like you had to be in control your ball there big time. Like there's like Aaron Hills, even wing foot, what Bryson did, tons of U.S. open courses we go to. The rough is penal everywhere, so why not hit it as hard as you can? But Olympic club, like you had to shape your ball.

There's a lot of dog legs. Tilted fairway. So like five, I think of dog leg right with the right to left fairways. You got to slice it into the fairway to hold it. But yeah, the health. We're seeing now the health of golf courses that are saying relies a lot on sunlight. And so more sunlight, less trees, greener grass. But, you know, I just don't, I get to a hole in the, that there's a bunker that's 300 yards to carry.

And I'm told that this is the way the original architect wanted it. And I'm like, well, that was 75 years ago when nobody can even reach this bunker now. It can't be true. There's just no way. Cover it. So all I want, all I've been saying is. is I just want me and Dustin Johnson or well he's on live now so me I was going to say you got you got to and you got and you also said Dustin and Brooks for your two schedules that you look at.

See we're going to have to work on those examples that you say. I know. So I say me and Rory. Me and Rory get on a T-box together and I'm going to try to beat him. He's trying to beat me. He's already gotten advantage over me because of his length. So why is it a good idea on a whole to have a bunker, a penal bunker cover at 310. Why is that a good thing? That's actually given Rory double advantage. And so my example out

here at Quoahalo is the 10th hole. For a while, there was 2.95, 300 to cover this bunker. And I was able to tell the guys, look, it's not a bad hole if you change the bunker. Like, make the bunker so no one can carry it or everyone can carry it, but not a third of the field. Because for me and half, whatever, two thirds of the field, like we got to squeeze it in the right side of the fairway where they're carrying this bunker they got five iron in so how am i going to beat them um and i'm not asking for it to be easier for me i'm just asking for it to be easy for all links or equal for all links so true skills can come out instead of just hitting at 340 but i'm going to play devil's advocate here go ahead is is is hitting it far and straight not a skill

hitting it far and straight i would say is a skill but hitting it far with no real penalty for a wayward drive, which is what we experience a lot, I feel like that's where it's, I'm fine with like really long golf courses, but make it penal for guys who are going to hit it offline. That's all I want. Like Jason Gore will tell you at Wingfoot, the only mistake they made is I think the fairways hit was like 35% for the week. So nobody's hitting fairways, even the straight hitters.

They should have made the rough more penal the closer you get to the green. That's it. Like let Bryson do his thing, but hey, if he hits in the rough, it's going to be a lot harder for a good amount longer for him out of the rough than for us way back there. Wingfoot was kind of a doubly rough deal because the rough was so long, but also it was open in front so you could run wedges up from the rough. So I just remember Bryson all week hitting it so much further than everybody else and then just kind of muscling a wedge that would land just short. And because he was coming in with a wedge and everyone else was coming in with seven or eight iron, they couldn't hold the green. they couldn't hold the greens. I remember that being kind of a week where it was like, okay, if we go too narrow,

we can also go the other way also. Correct. Yeah, he, I mean, Bryson with the wedge out of the rough there versus me with the six iron, he's going to win every time. And that's basically what he did, you know, which good for him. It worked. Definitely worked. It's interesting hearing you talk because for me, a little bit of me too is like,

well, he's, if the guy's hit it farther, that's an advantage. They should have an advantage. but I it is it's it's um I haven't really thought about it the way you're talking about because we don't know enough about the differences weekend week out year over year when they do tweak a course as acutely as you do which is that if they're going to make a change that's fine but don't make it where if you just move a bunker up 15 yards further now well that doesn't change rory still just takes the same line hits it over that bunker nothing changed whereas if that now punishes you not only is it are you punished for hitting it less

which is, I think we all agree fair. If he hits a further good for him, but you're now punished again for hitting it that distance because now that bunker you have to hit the right half of the fairway where he doesn't because he just carries it. So that is, I get that now because I was thinking a little bit of the beginning too. Like, oh, he's bitching because he doesn't hit this far. But in reality, like you're saying, fine, I can see that that's an advantage,

but don't double punish people with these tweaks. If you're going to make tweaks, if you're going to make changes, if you're going to try to figure out a way to make it more equitable out there, the answer is not what some of these moves have been. Correct. And another hole that everyone knows that they've actually done a great change is 15 at Augusta. So for a while there, the crest of the hill, if you carried the ball, let's say, 300 yards, I can't remember exactly what it was.

Your ball laying on a down slope. So me and Roarier on the T, I can't cover it 300. He can. His ball's the accelerator. What's that? He gets like an accelerator, like in Mar- And all I'm asking for that hole is like, hey, make it either we both land on a down slope, we both land on the up slope, we both land flat and they fixed it.

Because again, I applaud him. I applaud these guys for hitting it far, but I don't want to step on a T and know like, oh my gosh, what do I have to do now? You know, the holes, it's a different hole. So yeah, that's all I'm saying. It would almost be like if you're closer, if your skill where you do have the advantages more proximity to the hole from certain distance you're closer. It would almost be like if you landed yours within 12 feet,

there's just a toilet hole and it just fuddles into the hole. Whereas if you'd be like, well, that's not entirely fair. If one guy hits it 16 feet away, the other guy hits it 12 feet away, and the guy hits it 12 feet, it just fuddles into the hole. Exactly. Exactly. Hey, another thing I always like to bring up is like where I think these modern day architects are missing it in terms of making golf courses,

harder is they're not looking at some of our signature holes enough in the sense of what makes a hole hard. The hole I always like to talk about is four at sawgrass. It's 390 yards downhill. Every year, every year at the players, it plays over par. It's one of those sneaky, underrated hardest holes. If you drive in the fairway, you're going to have a vertiput inside 15 feet probably. But there's more doubles and triples there than maybe any hole out there. and I just love it. It's hard for the reasons of rough pot bunkers, water, weird green. And then again, last thing I was saying, this architecture stuff, 18 at Sawgrass is a perfect hole for me

because Ricky Fowler really sacked up the year he won, hit driver. You know, he's hitting fades over the corner, which, again, I'll applaud him good for him. I like to lay back there. I don't like that T-shot. but it's a hole at least where if you want to let Rory hit driver, he can hit driver. And if I want to lay up, I can lay up. And there's no real like advantage or disadvantage when we're standing on the T together. So I mean, I think I think Pete Dye gets it right a lot.

Yeah. I do like that hole. That hole is great for drama. I remember when it's it's cool now that you say it to see the different shots from winners that I remember. because we that that tournament has done such a good job of um if of for any average sports fan and golf fan sticking out because of the finish everybody talks about 17 but also 16 and 18 when you watch those holes year over year over year you start to remember the shots you start to remember what people have to do we've seen tiger hit two iron there we've seen rory step up and pull driver

we've seen you lay back we've seen rickie in that playoff uh with kis and sergio where they're all hitting different clubs and different shots in. So it is cool to think about that hole that there's so many different ways to get it done. I mean, Cam Smith, I think, hit what driver way right into the trees, chipped it in the water. Yeah. It got up and down. Unbelievable. We've seen so many different clubs and choices off the tee.

That's a great call. That hole's a really good hole. One of my favorite memories of that tournament and that hole was Henrik Stenson shooting 66 without putting a tea in the ground that day. He didn't hit driver once all day. And he was in that period of time where he was, yeah, he was just crushing his three wood. And he wasn't teeing it up off teas either. So I remember they were like, I think it was malpy or whatever was like, I think he's going to shoot 66 without putting a tea in the ground. And I'll just always remember that.

See, that's where to sum up my thoughts on this, that's where I think a great golf course that we play on tour is evident by the winners. You look at sawgrass, bombers have won there and short hitters have won. I mean, the year I won, I was actually the shortest player in the field. And so I think that's evidence of a great golf course because you don't want all bombers, you don't want all short hitters. And, you know, Tigers won, like you said, Stinson. I mean, tons of long players have won there. So why were you so tempted then to go for the distance route?

Because I remember, and this might be kind of an ironic example in hindsight, but I remember having a conversation with Matt Fitzpatrick and he cited you, this was before he kind of went down the distance route himself, I suppose. But he said it as someone like, you know, he would say, I don't see a reason why someone who hits it, my distances can't be a top 10 player in the world. Look at what Webb Simpson's done. He's won all these tournaments. He's won major championships.

You were in a position where you were a top, we'll say 20 player perennially. Yeah. And you decided to go for this. So why? I think I felt like our golf courses were trending in a way where I was going to keep having problems of carrying bunkers and being long enough. And I think I just got fed up with, you know, as the top 20 player, like you said, year and year out, I'm playing.

My pairings are Rory, ROM every week. And like, probably a little doubt. Like, can I really keep up with these guys if they consistently hit it 30, 40 by me? Like, I've done it now for a few years, but can I keep doing it? So probably some of it was like, I feel like just a matter of time. I don't know how long I can do this. be so good with my irons and make putts. But I also thought I have great people around me and I'm going to take this really slow. I got Polly watch me. I got Butch. I got my trainer.

And I'm not blaming any of them. It's just I thought I could do it little by little. But you guys know golf enough to know like swing changes. When your swing starts changing, you don't know it at first. Over time, you look at a video, you're like, oh my gosh, how did we get here? So I think I thought I could do it without changing a whole lot, but two years of hitting drivers on the back of the range at Quail, as hard as I can hit it for an hour, multiple days a week, you know,

it caught up. And that's probably a main reason why I got hurt. That's so interesting. Do you then, you know, as we talked a lot about the very beginning of the show, about scheduling and, you know, trying to pick your spots a little bit more. Kiz has famously on our show talked about how they're certain

tournaments he has zero chance at. So will you work your schedule around courses architecturally that that fit you that you like? Yeah. I mean, that's that's 99% of why I go to tournaments. Like I'll never miss Sony Open because that's one of the courses that's best for me. So I literally planning the whole year around where do I feel like I have the best chance for winning.

Now there's a couple of instances where the golf course isn't great for me for length reasons. And now with our schedule changing and the whole PJ tour changing, it might be a little different. But if I could help it, and it wasn't a major world golf championship, I was only picking courses really for distance. And, you know, some courses have five or six force carries that I can't carry. And, yeah, I mean, like Riviera, I'll say this. I'm going to play RIV this coming year. I hate you. You usually don't, right?

What? You usually don't. I don't. and my catty will tell you, Polly will tell you, like it's really because I hate the ninth hole. The ninth hole is what I'm talking about. The bunker's like 300 cover,

and if you can't cover it, your fairways half the width. And the bunker's a pitch-out bunker. I rebelled one year. I hated the bunker so much, I laid up. I hit hybrid off the tee and I have five wood into the grain. I'm like,

I'm sick of this. I'm doing it. But all they have to do at RIV, as much as I love Rive besides that hole, is put one more bunker over the carry bunker. So then it's like, hey, Roar, you want to hit driver? Hit driver. You can still hit driver.

But if you pull it, you're going to be like everybody else and you're going to be in the bunker. But, yeah. I can't wait to watch you play the night tall. I just, you better be on TGA tour live. We got to watch you play the nightthall. Do you go for it on 10? Or do you not even know?

I mean, you haven't played in so long. Last time I played, I think it was 17 maybe. I used to always lay up. But everyone goes for it now. Like nobody later. I know. I know. Like I watched last year.

I'm like, am I going to be the only one? Like I historically played 10 very, very well. I was like one under probably on average. And, um, but I'm like, I'm not going to be the only guy. Am I going to be the only guy hitting five iron off the team?

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and you're a veteran and you've been watching all of this the same as all of us. 30,000 feet, you know, we're at the end of the year now. When you look back at 2022 in golf, how would you even begin to summarize the journey the game has been on in the last 12 months? It's hard to summarize it. I've been on the pack, so that's been interesting to see some of the stuff happen kind of from the inside. And, you know, being on the pack, a lot of guys are coming to me asking questions. A lot of times I don't even know how to answer. term. I'm not on the board yet. I roll into the board in January. But, you know, a lot of people

think that the structural changes that are happening are a result of, you know, Live coming into play, and this would have never happened had Liv not coming to play. And who knows, maybe that's true. But I'm still in a place where I don't know what the future is going to feel like. I mean, it seems like we're going to have two tours. It seems like, you know, when I got on tour, 2009, I'm like, okay, I'm guaranteed to tee it up against Tiger Woods eight times this year. Like, I'm going to see Tiger and I'm going to see Phil seven or eight times. Like, that's really cool for a rookie, for a guy who's always dreaming of playing at the tour. And now that's not really going to be the case. I think starting in 24. You're going to have two different tours, whether, you know, however they package it,

whatever they say, you know, you're going to have a group of guys playing here and a group of guys playing here. And sure, a few times of year they'll play together maybe at the majors. But I don't know how I feel. I mean, I'm a little bit of an old soul in the sense. I like things the way they've been. But also know that like we need to get the good players together more often. I understand that. Right. But for you, it's been a good system. I mean, you've, you've played on tour now for 15 years. You've made a boatload of money and you haven't. had to do kind of the self-promotion. I'm going to play here because I have to or I'm going to post this video. You, like you said, you've been able to pick golf courses, the ones that you

want to play and have an incredible career. And now you don't have quite as much. You still have autonomy, but not quite as much. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I was happy to see that these elevated events are a few of my favorite places. But yeah, I mean, it's like a little transition stage of not you're being told where to play. But, hey, if you want to be able to. want to play in the best event. You have to play right here. And then three weeks later, you're going to play here. So you're right. I mean, you lose a little bit of that uniqueness. That's why I've, I think, you know, why I've been outspoken about how I think it's going to be a shock to a lot of these live guys. They've been their own boss for so long. They've, I mean,

you want to play at a tournament next week. You literally tell your agent, I'm going to play. You don't want to play. You say, I don't want to play. You don't listen to anyone. and you don't have to answer anyone, which is a gift. Like that's a blessing of being a PJ tour player. Now for the live guys, it's different. You know, they're on a team. They're going to have owners. I do feel like that's going to be tough for them.

And not to get into that too much, but yeah, I mean, now we're getting a little bit of that with this new schedule. And we'll see how it works out. Yeah. But I'm still like talking to you guys. Like, I still don't even know how I feel about it. Yeah. Well, how has it happened? yet you still got your one to come right yeah we I mean we we we feel the same way we kind of go

and forth you know as you can imagine it's a big talking point on our show we just BS about golf for four hours a week so we're going to talk about it but right but yeah it's like an hour maybe you get it you get it you know I think a reasonable person can understand it uh from both sides it is interesting to hear you talk about the you know the elevated events and how you've pretty much always played courses 99% of the time that you think are going to give you the best chance to win And well, with the elevated events, there might be one or two now where you're like, well, I have, you know, I need to play in these fans. I can make X amount of money as long as I tee it up. And if I play well and the points and how many, you know, all that. So, so it's, it's been wild to witness the landscape changing. We like selfishly were very excited for the majors because if those are the times when everybody gets to come together and you get to witness it, maybe there'll be some drama. I mean, you, I think you are universally considered one of the.

nicest guys of professional golf. Have you had any, is there any drama involved with you? Is there anybody wherever you practice or play that's live that's like weird now or is nothing really changed for you? Nothing's really changed. It seems like kind of the older generation. Like when I go to Quill or in Pioneers, like they seem pretty against live, this idea of like a farm tour coming in and kind of taking over something that they've always known. but I mean Harold Barner is a member here at Quayle and I've seen the members

be great with him and you know supportive maybe not necessarily of live but supportive of him and like you know I think I think everybody loves Harold Harold's great to be around and as a player like there's certain guys that have gone to live where I totally understand it like it makes sense even to me that they would do that

But there's other guys that doesn't make any sense to me. And I really resonated with Tiger's words that he said at St. Andrews this year about, like, how can you walk out of the dirt? Yeah. And how can you, exactly, how can you walk these fairways and how can you really give up the opportunity to be able to play in major championships? That's what it's all about. And I agree. Like, I get it. Some of these young kids and the paychecks they're getting from live are significant and sizable.

but I mean what is what is worth not playing in the majors like is there an amount maybe for some guys there is an amount they don't care they just you know some guys out here on the tour don't like golf they just do it because it's their job and they get paid to do it but I I love the majors I love you know that's why I practice is not golf I love golf and I love golf and I love having a chance to win on Sunday and I'm not in the masters right now it's been a long time since I hadn't played the masters but I hope I get in I plan on getting it if I don't I'm still going to watch like I love it it's it's cool to hear you talk about it because I do think the majority of guys are like you that are you know this is how you end up with this is your profession is that you got that it's you get to play a game for a living it's super cool you know I talk with max homa about it quite a bit about you know the weeks leading up to majors and I I'll text them and I'll be like dude how cool is it that you get to play in the open at San Andrews where you get to play you get to play in the open at San Andrews, where you get to play in the master's tournament, and you are a legitimate golfer that

possesses what it takes to potentially win the tournament. Like that is so unimaginable. Like, cool to me. And he gets hyped up. And he's like, it's so awesome that I overdo it. And, you know, because he talks about his majors and he wishes he had better performances and he's got to figure all that out. But we just have those very from 30,000 feet conversation about like, dude, you get to play in this major championship. There's going to be. 50,000 people a day that are just hoping to be able to see you on the golf course and you get to play. And on a level of just loving the game, like Tiger said, like you're saying, like really, that's what it's about. That's what it's about.

I mean, even in my early days when I had made hardly any money on the tour, coming down the stretch, winning a tournament, trying to win a tournament, I really never thought, like, is this plot worth 100 grand or 200 grand? you think I might be able to win the tournament today. Like I might be a PJ tour winner. I'm sure Adam Spinson, however you say his last name, I'm sure he was thinking the same thing. Like, man, this was his 70th tour start, and he might actually be a tour winner.

Winning is what it's all about and having that chance to win. And then it amplifies, like you guys are saying, in the majors. Like it's that much cooler, that much more important to have a chance on Sunday. I wanted to ask you kind of a specific question. I know you live at Quail Hollow. I have a little bit of a series that I do,

because I go to a lot of these events, where I like to look at the houses on golf courses. And I think that the seventh hole at Quail Hollow might be the best one on tour, but I'm not sure. So I want to ask someone who lives at Quill Hollow and who has played the PJ Tour for 15 years, what are some other holes that jump out to you as having some of the most unbelievable houses?

I can tell you some of mine if you want. Yeah, I want to hear yours. I'd have to think. 12 at Riviera. Yes. Down the left side there is pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. 11, like kind of down, really, actually I would say 14 at Pebble Beach.

Yeah. All those houses down the right side. Oh, yeah. Charles Schwab's house right there. But those are going to be hard to be. From pure, from pure just market value, I don't know that you're going to beat 14. One of my favorite houses is 16 at Sony, right there by the green. Okay.

that blue roof it's amazing but no those are those are good ones 14 at pebble it's hard to be 14 at pebble but seven i mean seven at quail hall though you got some houses there by the green that i remember we were at the president's cup a couple weeks ago and people were just like is that a home there's a um sedgefield actually has some serious ones too i remember that that's turning over big time yeah there were some castles there i was like walking around i was like wow yeah what um pretty good For you, was the President's Cup, the more we kind of get to chat with you, was being an assistant captain for the President's Cup a little bit bittersweet for you

because, I mean, I know you still, you got it, you believe you're 37, you would be in your prime if it weren't for the last five or 10 years and things shifting. So that a little bit bittersweet for you to be out there as an assistant captain? Yeah. So I had more fun than I thought I would have for sure. I knew I was going to have a good time, but like, man, it was really fun. the captain's side being my first time on that side there was a lot more work than I anticipated that these captains do i mean they're up late every night talking strategizing using the analytics guys

um that i didn't expect and then i was honestly i expected to be like not nervous at all like just kind of chill watching and i was nervous i was into it um so it was really cool to see that you know be a spectator i guess i mean it was a little awkward, like show up with the course two and a half hours before the first time, and I'm just, I got nothing to do. In the past, I'm stretching, I'm doing stuff, talking to Paul, all that kind of stuff. So it was fun. I mean, it was a dream come true to play for Davis at Medina in 2012 because he's always

been my favorite golfer. And then, you know, Tiger, I guess Tiger asked me to be an assistant without Davis knowing it. But like when I found out it was official that I was going to be here, That was really cool because obviously I live here. And I love the team. I mean, the guys on the team were amazing. And, you know, it's just, it's different now. When I played these teams, like, I remember we'd hang out to like 10, 30, 11 every night.

Well, now these guys go to bed at like 9 o'clock. Yeah, everyone's lame now. They're all so regimented, huh? Kids want to hang out every night. Kids would come hang out with us. But all the rest of the guys, yeah, they're in their oxygen boots. They got their cold plunge. It's like, when did it get so sick?

serious i know i know so maybe i got to get into those oxygen boots maybe that'll help me play better what's um what's going on with your coffee routine did i hear there you bring your own coffee machine to every every event i do i saw a pour over kit kettle scale grinder the whole thing do you have a separate case for it is going the golf bag where does it go so i have a little carry on nice i mean starbucks lines it's so long in the airport i'll i'll bust it out the airport and just No way. You'll bust it out at the airport. Oh, yeah. When Paul sees me do it, he's like, aren't you embarrassed?

Like, everybody's looking at you. I'm like, I don't care. Like, I want a cup of coffee. I'm going to make it. Has anyone ever walked up to you? You've been like, hey, Webb Simpson. What the fuck are you doing pour coffee in the airport? Oh, yeah. People will walk by me like this. They're like filming to show their friends. Like, what's this guy doing in the middle of the air?

Look at this lunatic. Yeah. No, when I get into something, I really get into it. And so coffee is one of those things. where my buddy owns a coffee shop. And so a few years ago, I asked him, what's the best way to make a cup of coffee? Like, I want to drink the best, the best method.

And he told me pour over. So I got into it. Wow. I liked it. By the way, Dan, you owe $5 to the kitty. We said we weren't going to curse this whole show. Oh, man, did I curse? We did.

We had a whole talk last podcast about how we weren't going to curse her in the web episode. We got Webb Simpson. He's a man of God, the faith. And we got Dan out here. So he goes $5. of the kitty. He's got it for five bucks in the kitty. That's on me. You almost made it, Dan. I don't care at all. So close. We were so close to making it. So when's the next, when's the next start when you firing it back up again? So my plan right now is to play Sony and then

three weeks off and then I'll play Phoenix in LA. So I can't wait to, I can't wait to lay up on nine at Riviera. God, I can't wait to watch. I hope there's somewhere. That's right. Nine, no. Nine. Nine. I'm just like if you do hit one in that bunker, I'm going to, I'm going to just on the martial sports book. I'm going to start betting like Webb Simpson is going to miss the cut. He's pissed. He hates that bunker. Well, for people who don't know nine at Riviera, it's a pretty psycho hole to hit,

to hit hybrid off the tee. Like you did that purely out of spite because I think that holds like 470 uphill. Oh yeah. I mean, I had five wood into a small green. And my, hey, here's a good thing about Pauley. if I feel like pretty passionate about this stuff like he's like way more so he was like yeah hybrid yeah screw this hole you weren't proving a point to anyone except for you just making it harder on you so that just shows the neuroses of golf because it didn't it wasn't good it wasn't a good

thing no and whoever I was playing with I'm sure was like what is he doing right now like what is he think we're on 10 that's right uh how did you get the ain't no hobby hat Do you kids give it to you or do you order it? So you tweeted it or he tweeted it and I ordered it. And I screen shot of the order and I told him, I said, see, I support you and your foundation. And he's like, he laughed. He's like, you should have just texted me. I could have gotten you one for free.

I said, no, I paid my 40 bucks. How was your experience on the Barstool store? Did it come okay? Good, good timing, everything? What's that? How was your experience on the Barstool store? Did you know? Was the shipping okay?

I had no problems. Yeah. It was easy. That's nice and easy. That's nice. We do appreciate that. Where's yours, Dan? I got one.

It's not on me. Just not on me. Yeah, that's a good question. Really good question. Yeah, kids sent me a picture and it was just Webb Simpson wearing the ain't a hobby hat. I was like that's amazing. I like that. When are you going to Potthurst again?

I'm trying to think maybe, I used to always go during January. Actually, they would do this. My guy, Dave there, who works in the shop, one of these sister pros in the shop there would do this tournament, the Rossi and last year it got snowed out for two of the rounds so I I think that might have been my final time going in like January like you said you got to go down to Florida so it might be February or March or so but last time I was there actually we had the family came into town for first time. Nice. Nephew and boy I you know he my nephew Rob would just turn six and I know you take your your kids out to the cradle and all that we were blown away at how much he just loved

He just loved every part of it. Jumping on the golf cart, even, and just riding around on the golf cart. He was so pumped. That's a good place for all ages. It's crazy. You know, I always think of it as an adult playground. You know, my buddies come down. We have cocktails and play golf.

And here's this little five-year-old at the time running around. And he just, from the second he got there, till he left was in heaven the whole time. We were there the weekend before the RSM. And my son just took his shoes off. and he's like, can I, can I play with no shoes? And at first I'm like, no, it's a golf course. But then I realized where we were. I'm like, yep, today you can do that.

And he loved it. Amazing. Yeah. The cradle, playing the cradle with no shoes on in the afternoon. You do a spin or two is probably my favorite place to be in the world. So I like to. Yeah, me too. Yeah, that's great.

But yeah, maybe I'll hit you up. You know, if I'm down there, we got to play on the cradle a little bit. We got to. I think Web Simpson is probably an absolute menace on the cradle. That course really suits you game nicely. You have to be a serious problem on the cradle. I don't want to play you for anything at the cradle. You're carrying all the bunkers on the cradle. You're carrying all the bunkers on the cradle web, no problem. Yeah. Hey, there's no laying out there. That's right. All right, cool. We appreciate it. Thank you so much for doing this. This was a long time

coming and we'll have to have you on as a recurring guest. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. We'll do it again. Happy, thanks. I'll see you on the West Coast. We'll see you soon. Sounds good. Thank you. Thanks, Webb. See, boys.