Fore Play - ‘What are they gonna say now?!’

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

Will Zalatoris wins a wild playoff. Cam Smith withdraws from the BMW Championship with a “hip injury” just a day after a delayed “penalty.” We discuss players’ choices between creating a ful...l-on golfer brand vs simply cashing LIV checks. Frankie locks he & his dad outside in Pebble. Scott Fawcett goes nuts on Twitter. And which players would you pick to fight in a PGA vs LIV trial by combat?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, there's Borrelli. Holy fuck, dude. Frankie. What a hoodie, great hoodie. Thank you. Team Taylor made.
Starting point is 00:00:17 What a fucking morning. You just can't make this shit up that this happens to me. It's just never easy. It's just, it's always something that goes the wrong way. You want to make her right and you somehow miss the exit. Foreplay presented by Barstool Sports. We are back and yeah, I guess I would say the show starts only the way that this show could start. We just have myself, we have Trent Ryan, we got Lurch, and we got a text message from Frankie Borelli right when we were about to start that says,
Starting point is 00:00:51 you're never going to believe this, but my dad and I just got locked out, stuck outside with no clothes on. So, so yeah, I don't know when Frankie's going to be on, but we're, just not going to wait for him. And I imagine when he comes in, he's going to come in quite hot based on his experience. So for those people that don't know, I don't know if we've talked about on the show or not. I honestly can't remember. Frankie and his dad right now are out at Pebble Beach. Frankie surprised his dad with a little getaway to Pebble Beach. He told him just last week. He's been planning this whole thing. He wanted to take his dad to Pebble Beach. He wanted to stay out there. He wanted to play a couple rounds of golf just to do something nice for his dad. Everybody knows
Starting point is 00:01:30 Mr. Borelli is the greatest guy in the world. He works 367 days a year, never takes a break, never does anything. And Frankie's like, I'm going to plan this whole trip and surprise my dad. He finally told him, I believe Friday was the first time he had said to his dad, hey, I planned this whole thing. His daddy told me, Frankie said, his dad said that like Frank, Mr. Brelie is a crier, right? But he didn't even cry. He was so stunned.
Starting point is 00:01:56 He was like, is this actually happening to me? and it was Frankie's birthday. So Mr. Perelty was a little confused. But anyway, they're out there at Pebble. I guess they were outside the house that they're staying at and enjoying the view. And they somehow locked themselves out of the house. So whenever Frankie joins, he joins. Could be never, could be in 10 minutes.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Yeah, that's Borelli. It's going to be hot, too, because I don't know where he's staying. I don't know who solves that puzzle. Like, he's not at a resort. He's at kind of like an Airbnb rental. So it's like, I don't know who you. get keys to let them in. So it's just a TBD, but he's going to be hot.
Starting point is 00:02:34 There's not like a passcode, right? I don't think there's a pass code. You got to have a key. And if, yeah, he, I mean, look, this is just the way that Borelli's going to start, going to start this show. Really nice thing that he's doing. He's out there with his pops. They're at Pebble.
Starting point is 00:02:46 They're playing Pebble. They're experiencing the whole place. And, you know, he's going to miss the podcast because they locked themselves out looking at the view. So that's just, you know, well, he'll jump in when he jumps in. We got a lot to get to. We just had breaking moves, literally, as we started to record the podcast, a little notification came across the wire, as they say. Cameron Smith has withdrawn from the B&W championship due to a hip injury.
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Starting point is 00:04:37 All right. A lot to get to. Extremely exciting finish to the PGA Tour's first playoff event yesterday, which was interesting because there's a lot going on, as there has been all year. A lot of saltiness, I would say, from, you know, the entire live tour, chirping about the leaderboard, about Memphis,
Starting point is 00:04:56 about how the tournament's not that great. There's nobody in contention. Rory misses the cut. Where are your stars at now? And they kind of had some points. And then all of a sudden, the PGA tour proved really why the PGA tour is the PGA tour and why ultimately I think it's prevailing
Starting point is 00:05:13 and it's the side that I'm on thus far is because it fucking matters. And yesterday mattered. You had Wills Alatoris trying to get his first win ever. He's been so close. He's been in a bunch of playoffs. at major championships. He burned the edge at the U.S. Open.
Starting point is 00:05:26 He had his run at the Masters last year. So Will's Alatoris, kind of a rising star all over the place, trying to get this win to the point where he's got like Tiger-esque yelling at the fucking camera, essentially after he makes a putt in one of the craziest things I've ever seen, what are they going to say now? I don't know if you put that on a fucking t-shirt. Maybe we'll have to with our cool, you know, little design that we put out yesterday. But point is three-hole playoff, all kinds of drama,
Starting point is 00:05:51 on a tournament that, again, wasn't that sexy overall, didn't seem like it was going to be that awesome, was must watch television last night, as this thing concluded. So I thought at the end of the day, huge win, obviously for Will's Al Torres, but overall for the tour, fucking dream finish, all things considered.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Yeah, I think so. They also, like, drummed up their own news by giving, like, Cam Smith, a penalty. So, you know, like you alluded to that coming out, and then the finish, and a couple rock walls, and then the put, and what are we going to say now? and he goes absolutely apeshit. But, yeah, it was a heck of a finish for what seemed to be kind of like a lackluster,
Starting point is 00:06:28 I guess midway point going into the weekend. But yeah, I mean, it was a great finish. And so the playoff will roll on. But Cam Smith, and we'll talk about it more, will not be part of it due to a vague hip issue, just like a vague drop issue. So pretty good. I was thinking about it. Lid tournaments, they're 54 holes.
Starting point is 00:06:47 They end on Saturday, yeah? Is that right? Okay. So I was thinking about that. Like if they're, and we've talked about Liv versus PJ Tour endlessly, but it's hard to avoid. If you are actually a business, a golf business that you're trying to start a new league and that you want people to pay attention to. And I get that they don't have TV deals. Maybe that's coming down the road for Live in the future.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I don't know. But I was thinking about it yesterday with the ending of that tournament with the playoffs. Having some, having the golf tournament end on a Sunday is so. ingrained into TV watching DNA, that that is a leg up for the PGA tour, regardless of what happens. Like, think about, even if, even if live with the players that they have, they, if they have like a barn burner of a finish and it's like, holy shit, they are on the 27th playoffal of this tournament. It's a Saturday. Like, people aren't, people don't give a fuck about golf on a Saturday. And it just lends credence, more credence to the fact that I think they're not trying to make a
Starting point is 00:07:48 legitimate business. They're just trying to sports wash and all that shit. Having a golf tournament that ends on a Saturday that nobody cares about is a recipe for nobody watching. Having a golf tournament that ends on a Sunday that everybody knows is ending on a Sunday. Like a lot of people, a lot of casual fans I would imagine weren't paying attention until maybe the playoffs started and then certainly once the part three started going crazy or even the drives on the first two playoff holes were pretty nuts. Like then people start tuning in. I just don't think you can have that at all with this rival live tour. That just doesn't happen on a Saturday. People are out. People on a boat. They're doing whatever. Sunday, people are hungover. They're sitting there. And they know that
Starting point is 00:08:29 golf is potentially going to be on. So as soon as people start tweeting, holy shit, camps or not Camp Smith. Willie Z and Stalk are going head to head. There's some crazy bounces happening. People tune in. I just don't think you get that with another tour, with another tour. Yeah, it picks up on social, right? I mean, that's kind of where the bat signal comes from is like you start seeing people are tweeting like Big Cat's getting into it. When Big Cat's getting in the arena on golf tweeting, like clearly it's relevant. And that only happens on Sundays.
Starting point is 00:08:58 You're right. And on Saturday, if you're trying to get a tournament any eyeballs or interest or whatever on a Saturday, there's really no time in the year to even do it. In the summer, everybody's out. Everybody's out. Nobody's sitting at their house doing anything. And then in the fall, you're going to go up against college football. nobody's going to watch it or care.
Starting point is 00:09:17 And so you're right. It's almost like they're going to have to eventually go up against the PGA tour if they want to try to act like this is some kind of viable business. And I just don't know, you know, it's like, live is almost, live pretty much is a new competitor's version of what the tour did with the FedEx Cup, right? Where they just like threw money at it to try to make it important. And it's just not important. And the PGA tour, it has worked to a degree.
Starting point is 00:09:44 agree with the FedEx Cup. I mean, that event did feel a little bit more important than it otherwise would have for sure. But it was really the raw emotion of Willie Z and how much it meant to him to win. Like he was crying afterwards. He's up there with his fiance. He's screaming at the camera because of how important or at the, you know, whatever the crowd. That shit was so raw and real. And none of that was entrenched in like how much he was going to make. Nobody was talking about that. Nobody cared about that. It was literally about like him winning on the PGA tour. was a childhood dream. He's been so close.
Starting point is 00:10:17 He finally got to do it. There is not one moment from any live coverage yet that meant anything close to that, no matter how much money they're playing for. And that is the thing that you can't replicate. Now, it's early. Obviously, a few events in. Lives had like three events, whatever fuck it's been. Obviously, you can't expect them to have all this legacy and importance and meaning to
Starting point is 00:10:38 like their wins. You got to build from it. I'm sure the first PJ tour event of all time didn't feel like this last one. totally get that. But they got such a long way to go for it to in any way matter like that meant to Willie Z. And he said afterwards, paraphrasing, you know, no amount of guaranteed money could ever make me feel the way that I feel right now. And I think that is at the end of the day the ultimate difference between PJ Tour and Liv is that as much shit as we've given the PJ tour. We've been banned from tournaments. Trent and I have had to wear disguises to try to get in
Starting point is 00:11:12 because we've had so many run-ins with the BGA door. Their events matter from just a pure legacy and childhood dream and you get to play a game for a living vantage point. And Live just does it. It was pretty amazing how little they talked about the money on the broadcast yesterday. Like it was all about Willie Z got his first win. He's emotional. And then as they were signing out, they're like,
Starting point is 00:11:34 and he got $2.7 million. It was like, whoa. Like we had hubs who works at Barstool and Barstool Nate. They were on Twitter talking about it. being like, it's incredible that they don't talk about that more, but it goes to what you're saying, Riggs, where there's all this other stuff with it with Willie Z where he's been knocking on the door for so many months now. He's gotten so close. And then he finally breaks through in this playoff and he's crying on the green. And then the money is just an afterthought. Now, I know that's
Starting point is 00:12:01 not how it is with everybody. And we don't have our live representative, Frankie Borelli, on this podcast right now. So, so, but he would say like, well, he's, you know, he's Willie Z. and he, you know, he's wanted this forever, but put somebody else in their place, and they're going to be like, holy fuck, I just want $2.7 million. So it is case by case, but it worked out for the tour yesterday
Starting point is 00:12:22 that Willie Z is just this perfect story, this perfect storm of, when is this guy going to win? And then he won it in such a crazy way. Do you think now it's easier for Willie Z to potentially go to him? Because I totally get your point, right? PJ Tor, prove them to yourself.
Starting point is 00:12:40 You win. Epic stage. That's insane. However, now, like, live is almost like a retirement paycheck tour. You know, like, there's a lot of good that kind of comes with all that money. And do you think the mindset now, winning on the PGA tour, it's easier to maybe make that transition to live. I'm not saying he's going to do it.
Starting point is 00:13:01 But I definitely think that now it is easier for him because it's not in front of him that he hasn't accomplished. That's interesting. But, well, Cam Smith and Wilsout's horse are too interesting. people to me in this whole thing, especially with all the rumors surrounding Cam Smith, is he going to go to live? Is he not this hip injury? We're going to talk about that. I don't know what that's all about. But like, I understand people calling it a retirement tour because all these old guys who are kind of on the other side of the hill are going there. And then you look at Cam Smith
Starting point is 00:13:30 or Willis Al Torres and the conversation around them leaving is this would be a big deal for the PJ tour and live because now you've got young, up and coming guys who have these huge careers in front of them that are potentially going to make the jump. I just like if you're cam Smith or really z, we can talk about them in the same breath. Like, your earning potential, I understand that that $100 million check is right there for Cam Smith or however much it is for really Z. But with the upside of a cam Smith in particular, how much could you make? And I guess this is the Jim Furek example that we talked about last show. Like how much could you potentially make if you just stay around and you keep cash in these checks? You're so good. You're so good. And
Starting point is 00:14:10 If you just rack up a bunch of wins each season on the PJ tour, like, is that going to end up being more than 100 million? Probably, but it's so enticing to just look at a check. And they're saying, here's $100 million right now. But you don't have to work obviously as hard for it. But the earning potential for a guy that can't spend feels like it's way higher if you stay on the PJ tour. I think it's a better question of like your brand equity. You know what I mean? Like if he wins, because I don't know, winning on the PGA tour.
Starting point is 00:14:40 if that's ever going to take over what you could potentially win on the Live Tour. You know what I'm saying? But I do think the brand side of it is could Cam Smith develop his brand into a billion brand or a half billion dollar brand on the PGA Tour? And on the Liv Tour, can he only develop that brand into $100 million? Like, I would say that there's a bigger gap there of what he could do for himself playing on the live tour just because of like the political headwinds. This is an interesting point that Brandl has been making,
Starting point is 00:15:12 and he clearly has liked to make a lot of points throughout this entire ordeal. But, you know, he makes the point that three of the top four highest earning athletes in history are golfers. It's Tiger Woods, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas, are two, three, four behind Michael George. So clearly there is, right, like Arnold Palmer in his final years, too, was still making like $50 million a year or something. But he had that effing drink. I mean, he's got the Army. Totally, but that's the point is that you can build a brand.
Starting point is 00:15:43 Brandl's point has been that golf, right? Like the, the characteristics and qualities around golf are considered to be respectable and something that you look up to, right? Like golfers are gentlemen of society and have high integrity and like all the bullshit. Moral compass of piner's. I mean, that's right. That's like the golf fucking, that's the cream of the crop. golf is that sort of what you are and so it's you you can become so marketable but it what's what is
Starting point is 00:16:17 interesting about that version of golf right is that the guys that are very cognizant of building a brand i think are way more inclined to stay on the tour because that's part of their DNA like morocawa he has said on our show that like part of the reason he comes to the show is because he understands brand building as a young you know golfer and part of the reason he was wanted to do the suit thing when he showed up to Liberty is because like he's focused on curating a certain brand whereas another guy like a Cam Smith I think he just wants to go fly fishing and play golf and there's a reason that like um john rom right is by all measures like a better golfer than rickie faller john rom will have a better career he's got a major he's got
Starting point is 00:16:58 a bunch of wins he was number one in the world but rickie fowler is way way bigger from a marketing branding standpoint than john rom will ever be and that's so that if you want to play that game and it's cool and it's part of who you are, then I think you're way more inclined to stay on the tour. But if you don't, if you just, like, if golf's almost just a job for you for the most part, like, I think it's really easy for you to just say, fuck yeah, I'm going to go to live. All the marketing part of it is gone. The branding is gone.
Starting point is 00:17:27 It doesn't matter. They pay you $100 million. You don't need $500,000 from Taylor Made. You don't need, okay. It's hope. You make, your checks cleared. It's done. And all you have to do is show up play golf slash party.
Starting point is 00:17:38 basically. It's a 54-hole fucking shotgun. It's like a, it's like less serious than the Barstool Classic at this point. And you're getting paid however many millions. And so, so I think like as we're starting to see kind of the Domino's fall or the chips fall, which on which side, you know, they are, it's, it's almost becoming a little bit more you could tell a year ago who is really into to the total brand building and thus is going to maximize their potential on the PGA tour. because, right, a certain, a huge percentage of golfers' earnings is not from the prize pool. It's like Tiger's a billion dollar. He's become a billion dollar athlete twice because of the divorce and all that.
Starting point is 00:18:19 And he's only made $120 million on the golf course or whatever it is. So like that's fucking, we're saying that's 90% of his earnings or whatever has to come from off the golf course. If you don't want to deal with any of that shit, go to live, be a Patrick Reed, be a Sergio Garcia, right? Those are guys with pretty shitty brands who people like don't like. and they're just on live making a ton of money and they don't have to worry about anything else. That's a really good point. I guess that's what makes,
Starting point is 00:18:41 I guess that's what makes Phil so fascinating, right? Because he's totally. He's totally. Yeah, but that's been clear always. Like his like the undercarriage of Phil has always been a little bit sketchy. Like I don't think.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Like so I don't think that's as big of a shock. But he's been a big brand builder. That's like been his thing. He's not real. He's all about his brand. He is, but he's a selfish money-making. I would say at the apex.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Like brand builder, yes, that fits into how much money can I pull in? Like this, how much money can I? I think, I don't think it's like you have to dig too far to think of Bill in that way. Yeah. I feel like he's a guy that you can be like, yeah, I would say he's probably selfishly for money now. I would argue that that whole thing, like the top of the mountain for all of them is like how much money can I make? I would imagine. Like, even all this stuff that we're talking about with Moracow where he's like,
Starting point is 00:19:36 I want to build my brand. Like, the end of that road, there's a dollar sign. So, but it's, it's just the way you go about doing it. This Cam Smith thing,
Starting point is 00:19:43 and I guess we can get to the hip injury now, like he's, he's gone. I would imagine, especially with, Riggs, that point you made about a guy, like just a general gut feeling on how you feel about a guy and how he wants to
Starting point is 00:19:57 make his money. It does seem like Cam Smith is kind of, like as interesting as he, would appear from the outside. He's got the mullet. He's just, he's got this incredible game. He's got this beautiful swing. I do think he just kind of wants to make as much money as he can and kind of fade into the background. As crazy as that sounds for how young he is. Yeah. I, no, I agree. I think, and it is, we're over generalizing and just throwing people into like two buckets basically. I'm sure, you know, a lot of people are somewhere in between and like, we don't
Starting point is 00:20:26 know Camp Smith that well, but I do think from talking to Trevor Emelman, he comes off that way. I'm like I want to hit good golf shots and make a ton of money. And I don't really care about it. I don't want to be on a Wheaties box. Like, I don't give a fuck. Like, he's not, like, Cam Smith's not on social media,
Starting point is 00:20:39 right? I don't know. Out that I know. He's not on Twitter. He's on Instagram, but like, yeah, he's definitely not active.
Starting point is 00:20:45 And I, yeah, I would say Cam and just like, he almost falls into like, you know, now it's like, yeah, just throwing buckets of people,
Starting point is 00:20:51 like, kind of a DJ bucket in a sense where he's just like, he'd prefer to hang out and fish and just relax. And, you know, I was just like thinking about why it's 54 holes and ends on Saturday. It was like the pitch because if you have a family, you can fly home on Sunday and be there for like Monday morning to take your kids to school.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Like I don't know what it is because it is an interesting like when you think about sports that maximize certain times of the year and like August is always one that it's kind of like a gap month. The most crucial time for golf is literally like Sunday after like noon Eastern where people are now returning home for. from their weekend trips, they lazily put on the golf and they're just like, who do we have this week? They really haven't checked in too much. And like, that's the market. So it is, I was just kind of thinking about as you guys are talking like, what is the sell?
Starting point is 00:21:41 Do they like truly not care or was it like, hey, players, not only are we going to pay you all this money, but like Saturday night, you can fly home. You can be with your families on Sunday. I don't know. We're being careful about the bucket thing, but I actually think it's more true than even we're letting off. I think it is true, the more we talk about it. Patrick Reed.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Bryson DeShambeau, Brooks Kepka, DJ. If you look at the through line of all those guys, it's pretty much I want to make as much money as I can, and I'm fucking sick of dealing with the social media branding side of this whole thing. Dude, it's so true. Think about those guys. Think about how active Phil and Brooks Kepka used to be on Twitter, and they just don't tweet and they're just out on it.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Like that was clearly calculations for years, and they're just like, oh, I don't have to do that shit. I'm out. Right. And if you like, obviously I've been on Riggs aside and, you know, of the, with, in terms of PJ Tour or Liv, but even not on Frankie's side, which. Yeah. But if you, but then that's a fascinating thing about Liv is like PJ Tour was just this, the only boat going down the river, right? It's just going down the river.
Starting point is 00:22:46 People are making pretty good money, but there's these commitments they have to do with the brands and the partners when you go to these tournaments and the pro amps. And then this other yacht just starts rolling next to you. And it's like, hey, if you want to jump over here, you. and do less and get paid a ton of money, do that. It's like I am not, I don't agree with where the money comes from and any of that stuff, but it's a wild opportunity for these golfers that no other league of sports has ever seen, really, where it's just this new thing that you can go do. And it's at the end of the day, it's an opportunity and a few of these guys have taken it.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah, and it also cuts out the risk. I mean, like, God forbid a hip injury shows up and you can't play golf again. You know what I mean? So maybe Camp Smith is. super calculate on this one. But like that is like the risk of that. Like I do think a more successful career PGA tour is a better route to go like and potentially like to Riggs's point and like Brandl's point is you can make more money potentially that way. If you like execute to the nines, but it just takes all the risk out of it to take a check for a hundred million dollars. You can pretty
Starting point is 00:23:50 much do whatever you want now. You know, and like there I mean it makes sense in many different ways, honestly. We got some hip injury to talk about. I hope nobody gets a hip injury and we go to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, beginning of September. We're going to be there. One of the from the gallery questions is actually about Frankie's elbow. What's the update with his elbow?
Starting point is 00:24:10 He just only seemed to be injured for that one day. So speaking about injuries, I'm hoping that nobody ends up with a hip injury. Next month, I got more than 70 golf courses, sandy white beaches. They got endless off the tea and off the course entertainment options. We're going to be experiencing it all. I'd fucking wait to get to Myrtle Beach. It's going to be different. It's like a boys' trip, Bachelor Party,
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Starting point is 00:25:33 This is the best quickly. I've got to, I hope Frankie comes in soon. I've got to drop to my other job. I've got to go. So I love you all. I'm sorry to see you go, but I've got to go. Go get them, Larch. Good luck out there.
Starting point is 00:25:46 See you, bye-bye. Go get them. It's a little OG show here. It's just Trent Ryan and Sam Rigg. Buzayan from Marshall Sports here. It's just the two of us. So Cam Smith is clearly all over the place. And it's, I was just kind of thinking about this when you guys were finishing up the discussion pre-ad read there is that Cam Smith is such an interesting case because no one's been on the level that he's on that has gone to live. Right. Like he is the number two ranked player in the world.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I think if he won yesterday, he was maybe going to go to number one, I think I saw. or if he wins FedEx Cup, he's going to go to number one in the world and remove Scotty Sheffler. So a person of that caliber being taken away from the PGA tour, I think even DJ gone, like, fine, they can allow it. I think even Phil gone, fine, they can allow it in the way that it went down and I know that they had much of a choice. Clearly a bunch of the other guys, the retirement tour, Taylor Gouch, see you later. But I think Cam Smith, tour is like, this is a problem. and we can't have the Cam Smith's going away. And so we've got a couple things in succession that have occurred now.
Starting point is 00:26:55 The penalty yesterday, Sunday, was laugh out loud funny. When that one came across the wire, I mean, I'm not convinced that it was suspicious. I'm not. But the fact that I can't remember the last time I saw someone get penalized the next day, two strokes for a penalty that happened from a sketchy drop in the middle of their round. They weren't told during the round. they weren't told after the round. They were told the next day right before they teed off.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And it happens to be the guy in the hottest public water in golf. Can you remember the last time you really saw that? No, no. It's such a crazy set of circumstances that I actually don't think it could be recreated in the past, maybe in the future, but certainly not in the past. And what was he at 12 under? Yeah, he's right there. He was like the favorite to win.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah, 12 under. I think the, you know, the winners yesterday, We're at 15 under that sent him to a playoff. So he's in the mix. And we've talked about on this show, like we've played out every scenario when it comes to Cam Smith within the last week or two being like, am I going to live? People are asking him. He's like, I don't want to talk about that right now. The worst case scenario would have been Cam Smith winning this first event because then it's, this guy is taking all of the money.
Starting point is 00:28:11 And he's potentially, once this whole thing is wrapped up, he's going to go catch a $100 million check from live. So with all that put together, the conspiracy theories were abound on Twitter. And I get it because it is such an interesting circumstance that he gets penalized for this, you know, sort of gray area, weird thing, not until the next day. I don't tell him. And then he's back at 10 under. He ends up not playing that well. And, you know, he's probably not in a great mind state.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Like once that all happens, he ends up at, I think, nine under or something for the tournament. Doesn't end up coming close to winning. But if he doesn't get penalized and he plays well on Sunday, day, there is a very, very real chance that Cam Smith wins the first event and all hell breaks loose. Yeah, and him winning would be worst case scenario for the PGA tour. Great scenario just from an objective golf viewer. You're rooting for chaos. You're rooting for storylines. That would be all over ESPN. That would be everywhere. So he gets the penalty. Again, from what I understood, he agreed that he didn't know the rule, like precisely, agreed that once he found
Starting point is 00:29:16 out the penalty was the right move, didn't fight it, and there was no controversy, as they say. But then with the fact that we get this today, this is meaningful. This withdrawal, like what they released is that his agent from Wasserman released that he's had on and off discomfort, so he's withdrawing. He's number three in the FedEx Cup. There's no real golf on the PJ Tour to play until, I don't know, end of January. January next year. So he has to get through two more weeks of golf where he almost, he was in contention
Starting point is 00:29:51 and could have just won the fucking tournament yesterday. If he didn't get the two-stroke penalty, play a little bit better on Sunday, it could have easily won the golf tournament. And then three weeks ago, he won, you know, the biggest tournament of the last decade, the 150th at the old course at St. Andrews. So clearly he's not in so much discomfort that he is withdrawing from this week's tournament. There's more to the story now. And it's, it is starting to almost recall in.
Starting point is 00:30:16 a question for me the penalty from yesterday because you're like, now, I mean, the guy would, what, like, what is going on here? Is this pretty nefarious? Is that safe to say? Yes, it is. The reason his hip hurts is because his wallet's got so much money in it now that it's pulling him down and he just can't stand up straight. He's gone. This, I don't know about the penalty. You could go back and look at it now because of this new hip injury that he has, but he's just, he's gone, right? He's gone. He's gone. I think that's got to, I, So do we think then, okay, let's let's, you know, let's get some conspiracy going here. Do we think that essentially, right, like if you're the tour, and we spoke about this last week,
Starting point is 00:30:58 but if you're the tour and you know Cam Smith is going to go to live, can you, can you actively in real time do anything about it? Or do you have to wait until he goes? And so that leads me to the question of like, did they learn or were they able to unconstitutional? cover in the last day or couple days or whatever, like proof did he sign something that's like, we know it, you signed it. Were they able to put them, you know, were they able to put them up to the fire and be like, what's the deal? Did you do this or not?
Starting point is 00:31:29 And he has to answer truthfully. Otherwise, with all the legal stuff going on, there's ramifications. And he was like, yes, I signed. I'm supposed to be starting, you know, the day after the end. Like, do we think they got to the bottom of something that has now allowed them to basically be like, you're not, you're not playing in the FedEx cuff? I like that. I actually, I don't know if it's true, but I like that angle. Like Monaghan is hitting the law books being like, all right, what is the justification
Starting point is 00:31:53 that we can get him out of these tournaments? Like, are you saying that the PJ tour found out that he may or may not have signed and then they went to him and were like, hey, we have this legal precedent that says, if you have signed with Liv and you continue throughout these playoffs and end up winning X amount of money, we are going to bring a legal case to your doorstep that is going to try to bring all that money back to us and it is going to be incredibly ugly and he was like, my hip hurts. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Like basically. Because I think, right? Like if on the most basic level, if you're the tour and you know a week ago, Cam Smith is going to live, you do not want him in the FedEx Cup because you cannot risk the possibility of what you described earlier,
Starting point is 00:32:37 which is worst case scenario. He wins an event. He wins all the events. He wins the FedEx Cup. You cannot have that. And then the next day goes to live. So if you're the tour, you know that, your first objective is like we cannot let that happen. How do you not let that happen?
Starting point is 00:32:51 Don't let him play. But legally, you know, I don't know where you're at in terms of being able to not let him play. So what I'm, you know, theorizing is that somewhere in the last four days or two days or hour when this fucking thing was announced, did they uncover something that they were able to present? and basically say, you're not fucking playing because we know what's going on here. We cannot have that. You're not playing. And here's why. And if you want to try to play, we have X, Y, and Z that you're going to have to deal with,
Starting point is 00:33:28 you know, whatever the fuck that might be. Because I think there's no way he's just choosing not to play because he's got a discomfort in his hip. There's no fucking way. Here's what we do know. He didn't wake up today or in the last couple weeks being like my hip is. or I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this. Like the reason he is gone is not the hip. I don't know how deep it goes.
Starting point is 00:33:51 We've played out a couple scenarios here that honestly sound pretty fucking likely. But I know for a fact that the hip is not the reason that he is not playing next week. Agreed. Agreed. Now, it's pretty crazy. Is it? It's nuts.
Starting point is 00:34:06 And the guy's the reigning open champion. He's number two in the world. He's number three of the FedEx Cup standings. Is it possible that he, because guys have sat out. FedEx Cup before, but that was when there were like four events in a row. With three, I feel like it's pretty stacked now where you have to play, right? Like, I feel like he falls because they do the leaderboard. So it's like he, you know, he goes from, if he plays well this week, being right up near the top because they started, fucking remember DJ starts like 10 under
Starting point is 00:34:33 bars insanity. Now he risks starting like five, seven shots back, whatever it might be. Whereas if he played, he'd be right in the mix or near the top more. More. More. than likely if he just play it. So I feel like he's not, it's not a calculated like, I can afford to miss this. It's not a big deal. I think that this is a big deal that he's missing it. You can't really afford to miss it. If you're going to play and see the FedEx Cup through, you need to just play.
Starting point is 00:34:59 It's three fucking events. And then like we were talking about, you're done for four months or whatever the hell it is. And you go play live. You go play the next couple handful of live events. And now you're just a live guy. But, yeah, he's not, he's not playing because of discomfort. That's right. We all agree on that, the two of us?
Starting point is 00:35:17 The two of us can agree on that. I have a question, and I'd be curious to know anonymously, and maybe, you know, I feel like you rub shoulders sometimes with a few PJ tour players out there in Scottsdale. No names, but has anybody had the opinion that they love seeing guys go to live, especially at Cam Smith, because it dilutes the competition pool? Like, the company line so far has been the reason I play on the PJ tour, is that it's the best competition in the world that I want to be the best at my sport.
Starting point is 00:35:48 And the PJ tour right now is the only place with all of the best, or at least the majority of the best players in the world are playing. And that's why I golf. That's why I get up in the morning. That's why I practice. That's why I hired a nutritionist. That's why I hired a sports psychologist because I want to be the best because I'm playing against the best people, the best golfers in the world.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Have you ever heard anyone say, like, I hope Kim Smith goes because it's going to make it easier for me to win these gigantic purses out on the BJ door? Back channels, absolutely. And even deeper than that, like our guy, Kyle Mterrant, right? Like, he just vaults into the top 125 and got into the FedEx Cup. I think he would have gotten there anyways on Merritt, but he was really close because people were removed that were ahead of them in the
Starting point is 00:36:31 standings. So it's like, you literally buy subtraction, you just advance. You just climb the ladder by people disappearing. So yeah, absolutely. We actually had somebody submit a, up from the gallery that was like, hey, have we thought it all about the fact that we want everyone to go to live so that when Tiger comes back,
Starting point is 00:36:50 it's just way easier for him to win. He gets his 83rd win and it's over. And we just, he's got the most wins all the time. I love it because when I was laying out that scenario just now, I was like, that the only person that gets hurt in that scenario is the fan. Like, we don't, like, I don't care that, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:06 Cam Smith jumps and it makes it easier for somebody else, a lower tier guy to win on tour. The only guy that helps really is the lower tier guys as a fan. And that's been one of our points about Live versus PGA is you're watching all these guys jump and they're getting all this money. And there's people who are being like, let them go. Let them get that money. This is a free world. It's a free country.
Starting point is 00:37:26 But the person that it's hurting is the fan because when you tune in on a Saturday or Sunday or whenever, you're watching a product that is not as good as it was 12 months ago. So that's the only issue with that. But this angle that from the gallery question took sums all that or solves all those. problems where it's you get the scales tip so much and lives direction and they get so much talent that when 47 year old tiger woods comes back he can kind of just walk to his 83 i love it hey he shows up to like the windum in 2023 and it's like tiger woods you know against fucking who know who the fuck knows would be in the field at that point but he just it's just
Starting point is 00:38:04 easier the guy i mean dillon that was dillin that's a minute of that he goes he's like he went as far as say why aren't we rooting for this oh there's barrens Kelly. Holy fuck, dude. Frankie. What a hoodie, great hoodie. Thank you. Team Taylor made.
Starting point is 00:38:17 What a fucking morning. You just can't make this shit up that this happens to me. Like, it's just never easy. It's just, it's always something that goes the wrong way. You want to make it right and you somehow miss the exit. Yeah, we're out here. I surprised my dad with a trip out to Pebble Beach. It was a big moment.
Starting point is 00:38:39 We did it like a night before. my birthday. He wasn't expecting it at all. It was just it happened to work out that this week would be best for him. I looked at his schedule. Nothing was going on at the restaurant. I'm like, I'm taking my dad to Bevel Beach. It's just time. Like, I'm done just like sitting around and not doing it. I'm just going to go do it. Like it's one of those like live life while you can live life moments where it's like we're going to Pebble Beach. I don't care what you got going on. So book the trip, got a tea time. We're playing on Tuesday. We're also playing MPCC. And like the hero of this entire story is Josh. Josh Isner, Dad bought classic Josh, just the absolute legend of foreplay,
Starting point is 00:39:15 like the behind the scenes legend that no one really knows but knows the name of. If you're a listener, you know that. Lurch's boss's boss's boss's boss's boss. Lurch's boss's boss who's just got the most immaculate house on the 18th hole of Spanish Bay you've ever seen your entire life that happens to be his like summer home. So he has this and I texted him being like, hey, you got any like places you think you know anything about it in like, couple beach you got any like like Airbnbs that you would like like recommend he's like dude you could just stay at my place I'm like oh wow wow I didn't even know that was an option dude
Starting point is 00:39:48 so so Josh couldn't have been more accommodating sent me um all he's like so excited that we're out here because like that's I feel like one of the best parts of having a place like this is for other people to like experience it right like he's got his family they come out here you can see like he's got his kid stuff around here it's awesome how much of like a family guy he is I'm looking at crayons and like all these like play stuff. And but then also like now we get to come experience it. And like my dad's looking at the views. He can't believe this is a real place.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Monterey Peninsula is not a real place. It's a movie set. Driving through you're driving through the fog, windy roads. It's a movie set. It's like, yeah, it's just, it's fucking insane. So we get here late last night. We actually, like the car that we rented that was available was like a Tesla that drives itself. So we just got driven by a car.
Starting point is 00:40:37 car all the way here. It was the craziest shit I've ever. What was that experience? Like, were you nervous? Dude, your heart legitimately feels like it's going to explode when it's making turns. Like, you're going 75 miles an hour on the highway and it's got to like go around a bend like next to a like a median like divider and it just does it. And you're like, okay, I hope in two seconds it turns. Like I hope it bends around the road. And you're like, if it doesn't, we're dead, but it does. It just goes around. So yeah, it was fucking crazy. And it was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. So electric cars are just the coolest shit ever. You just get in them and you just drive.
Starting point is 00:41:09 There's no like on. I was looking for the on button. You just go. Took us 20 minutes to start the car, by the way, because there is no start in the car. I just picture somebody stumbling upon the Foreplay podcast in 100 years and throwing this episode on and listening to that portion being like, electric cars and like we just get in them and they are going to be so advanced in 100 years
Starting point is 00:41:31 that they're going to, it's like we're talking about the, it's unbelievable. how much they're going to be. Dude, it reminded me of the Bill Bird joke when he's talking about, um, or my, it was, no, I think it's a Louis CK joke where he's like, when you didn't know that something existed and then two minutes into it, you're already like complaining about it. Like he's talking about, uh, airplane Wi-Fi where he's like, we can't get Wi-Fi up here, 40,000 feet in the air. Like, I just found out this existed 10 minutes ago, but you should definitely have this up and running so I can watch all my movies. Um, like today, like yet last night, I'm like, why, like, me and my dad, like, halfway through, like, a half an hour into the draft.
Starting point is 00:42:07 We're like, why is this thing not, like, changing lanes and, like, going the route that we want? Like, you have to end up taking the wheel and, like, go off the exit. We're like, why is this not stopping at stop signs? Like, we were, like, mad that it wasn't doing more. But, uh, so we get here late last night, wake up in the morning. Josh sends me an entire itinerary of what to do and what not to do at the house. Like, there's all these, like, there's lock boxes and there's all these things to get in. And he's like, make sure that you keep the key in.
Starting point is 00:42:33 the lockbox because it's very easy to get locked out of this house. So I was like, all right. So we come in. I'm going to put the key in the lockbox that's night. It's like, why are you putting the key in the lockbox? I just keeping your pocket. Like, we need a key on us. I'm like, I don't know. Josh said to keep it in the lockbox. He's like, just keep it in your pocket. Turns out, I can't keep it in my pocket. Don't put it in the lock box. I put it next to my fucking bed in the night's so my dad. I hear my dad wake up. It's like 7 a.m. I walk downstairs. He's like, I hear him just say, holy shit, because finally last night we got in late. We heard. We heard. heard the ocean. You know when you like go to an oceanfront property or like a hotel or something?
Starting point is 00:43:07 You can hear it in the distance. You just don't know where it is. It's so dark. So we heard it. And then this morning we wake up and you finally get to see the whole entire view. It's amazing. You're like, holy shit, this place is not real. We both go outside. I have the GoPro. I'm making a whole video by the way. I have a GoPro. I'm like, dad, what do you think? Like this place is insane. And he's like, yeah. And then all of a sudden the door closes behind us. And we're like, all right, that's like, we'll figure that out in a second. I'm finished the video. I hit end on the video. And we go to open up the back door and it's fucking locked. So now we're like, no way.
Starting point is 00:43:38 All right. Let's try the other one. No way. Completely locked. So, all right. Let's go right back around and see if the front door's open. It should be because when we walked in, first of all, it's like the most like exclusive place in the world. No one's fucking barging into this place.
Starting point is 00:43:53 I deadbolt locked the front door, which did not have a key to it. So now we're trying to get in. No chance. We're looking up to scale the walls. My dad's literally trying to scale the walls. chance. So then we're like, we're fucked. The podcast is starting. We're stuck out here. I had no socks on or shoes on. I'm out there in like a tank top and shorts. It's freezing outside. It's like 60 degrees. Winds blowing off the fucking ocean. I'm like, we're stuck out here. This is
Starting point is 00:44:18 crazy town. Luckily, I had a phone on me. Like, we didn't have anything. So I had my phone on me. If we didn't have a phone on us, I cry. Like I literally cry. Or we're like, we just go jump in the water and we just sell off into the distance. We call a locksmith. The locksmith is here. He got here in 10 minutes. Whoa. goes to like pick the lock it's an old lock so breaking news to Josh you now have a new deadbolt because we had to drill it through we drilled through the door the door and we're buying you a brand new deadbolt and we have a key that will now be in the lock box and the whole thing will be fine so it is what it is um i didn't expect my first day of pebble beach of my dad to be a home
Starting point is 00:44:53 improvement getting him a brand new lock but you know what now he's got a more secure up-to-date new deadbolt on his palace on Spanish Bay and that has been my first 12 hours here on the trip. Wow. Graduations of Josh, brand new lock. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Great.
Starting point is 00:45:11 I'm like afraid to tell him that, but I feel like it's going to be okay. I think he'll, yeah, he'll get over it. I think he'll. Okay. Yeah, yeah. We got in. It's good. Like we got in, but you have a new lock.
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Starting point is 00:46:31 the fact that he couldn't even really believe it was happening to him and really set the stage for you being locked outside. So now we've kind of got the full scope. Are you guys playing golf today, Frankie? Yeah, we're going to play the hay, I believe. I'm just waiting for an email. The person that helped me set this all up, like, has been great. Actually, whoever you set me up with,
Starting point is 00:46:47 I'm like on an email chain, but the people here at Pebble Beach are amazing. They're like the coolest people ever, and they really want you to have a great time. So I think we're going to play the hay today. which will be fun. I never played it yet. It's awesome from what I see on the scorecard.
Starting point is 00:47:00 I think you've played it before, right, Riggs? Yeah, I played a lot of time. It's excellent. It's excellent yards or something like that. There's a couple holes that are 40 yards, which is just like, that's the perfect way to ease into a trip, specifically for my dad who likes to play the furthest up tease of all times so that he can have like a good time and actually hit the green too.
Starting point is 00:47:17 So we're playing that. We're playing Pebble Beach Tuesday. And then we're playing NPCC Wednesday, which is insane. And then driving up to San Francisco. and then flying out Wednesday night, Red Eye. So two rounds and then one nine hole. I can't believe you're out there. The last time I saw you, which was just a couple days ago,
Starting point is 00:47:36 you were getting socky super soaked into your mouth with a fucking gun. Oh my God. Now you're on the West Coast. That was a hell of a time. Trent Daddy came to my birthday bash, my first big party at the house. It was a good time. I mean, it was there was a lot of alcohol involved. We had Habachi come to the house.
Starting point is 00:47:54 I think it was called like Habachi, to you. It's an amazing enterprise. Like the fact that they just bring the best food ever. Honestly, top notch quality food. It wasn't just like this fucking frozen like steak and chiquette. Like it was legit. I had filet mignon. It was nuts. Um, so yeah, no, it was a lot of fun. Then he had like this water gun that was socking us right in the fucking back of the tonsils. And like at the end of the day, you're like, wait a minute. If he's holding the water gun right next to your face and he's just shooting sake down your throat and you're like, everyone's having a competition for how long they can keep it going in their mouth. You're having like 15 to 20 shots
Starting point is 00:48:29 of sock. Like you're just like, think about like the number of shots of sake you're taking by just guzzling down a squirt gun worth of sake. Like a little shot glass. Think about how many of those like Rudy had. Like Rudy must have had 35 shots of sake. Dude, like an hour into it, we're all just like looking sideways. Like I was shit faced by five o'clock, six o'clock, shit face. Great. Because it does turn into a competition where you're going around. around the table and they're counting how many seconds each person can get it. And Rudy was on the far end of the table. So by the time it got to him, the record was like 19 seconds.
Starting point is 00:49:04 And he was like, I'm going to go 30 seconds. And then he did. And he was shit-faced as he should be because that's like a million shots of sake. But you are right. That habachi to you, I believe that is what it's called. That's an amazing thing. We were just in your backyard eating delicious habachi. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:49:21 And Tommy smokes came. He was awkward. A classic case of I went out to go get beer I went out to go get beer At the beer to be down the road in ice And as I'm there I got a simply safe notification
Starting point is 00:49:32 That three people were at my door And it was Tommy Rudy and Trent And so Tommy like was at my house Before I was getting the tour Before like I could be there And he was just like It was just classic Tommy smokes Of like the whole thing was a bit
Starting point is 00:49:47 And you're like all right I get it I wasn't there to open the door for you Well we So we've been texting back and forth about this like when do we show up when's this thing going to get rolling and at one point you said us 2 30 people are going to start showing up so Tommy and Rudy took a train out here I picked him up at the train station and we hold we pulled up to your house at 232 and were absolutely by
Starting point is 00:50:11 far the first people there 35 people coming that the first people there by maybe 20 minutes I would say more I would say more we got there and Frankie wasn't even there you know your fiancee met us at the door was like, whoa, why are there people here already? And we just got there at 232 when you said 2.30 and we should have, we should have drove around the block like 900 times. Yeah, it's a nice carnusty hoodie, by the way. Thank you. That thing's awesome.
Starting point is 00:50:35 Really good. Yeah, so it was a fun weekend. Yeah, I thought we had, we had, we played baseball, that drinking game baseball. You guys had left by then, and it's the most fun game of all time. You got six on six. It's aggressive, but then like you pick like who's on defense. We had three guys on defense at a time. So like there's a manager essentially picking like the line up and defense.
Starting point is 00:50:56 And Tommy smokes is on the other team. And I don't want to give him any props because I fucking, I love him, but I also love to hate him. He at one point in like a three one game or whatever it was, it was like five three game in like the seventh inning looked at me and goes, hey, Frankie, this one's for you. And just hit a home run in my face like back cup. Whole place went crazy.
Starting point is 00:51:18 He's like doing the thing where like the Jesus arms out and everyone's going nuts. staring at me. It was like one of the more impressive athletic moments I've ever seen him ever even attempt or accomplish. And I don't want, we don't have to get too far into it, but I met Big Rob. And oh my God. I was starstruck. A lot of stories on this podcast and just, you know, behind the scenes talking about Big Rob. He is larger than life. I really enjoyed meeting. He is a really great guy. He is, you know what was interesting that I thought was different about him than I thought? Like I had this picture in my head about Big Rob because I've heard. so much about him and I was like a little nervous to meet him because I've heard so much about it
Starting point is 00:51:55 and then because I had this picture of in my head and then I met him nicest guy and also like has a weird swagger to him he showed up in this bowl this loud bowling shirt and everybody was talking about it he's like a carnival attendant yeah it was just yeah so I met big rob I just wanted people to know that he was and you met him on you met him on the heels of the greatest big rob story maybe ever like well, to me, I think it's just the funniest thing. He played in a pickleball tournament, and he is so out of shape that he puked five times during the pickleball tournament, and they had to eventually. He ended up grinding through it, grinding through the puky.
Starting point is 00:52:34 After every single point, he'd run to the fence, projectile vomit, places shrieking in horror. He's this 6'6 disgusting out-of-shape guy, but he's also insane at paddle sports. So he's like making it through this tournament, gets to the championship, and has to get medically decued because he was cramping on the floor, legitimately seizing on the floor that they had to come out. He's saying, I'm going. And they're like, you have to go to a hospital. Like they're like, this is an amateur paddleball tournament. We can't have you die out here.
Starting point is 00:53:05 He was, he got medically decued. And then the photo of him with the person that he lost to is all time. He's, he, the person he lost to is maybe, would you say a third of the size of him? Oh, yeah. In the, on the platform, the guy that he lost to. is from his hip up to his shoulder. It's actually, it could be a viral meme, the photo.
Starting point is 00:53:25 I got the, it could be easily. And I got the full Rob experience at Frankie's birthday party because I was on the deck. I haven't told Frankie about this because it's not that great of a story, but I was on the deck
Starting point is 00:53:35 talking to somebody and Frankie's deck there's like one level and then there's a step down and you can kind of walk out to the yard. I was talking to somebody on the deck and Big Rob came storming out of the house and didn't see the step on the deck
Starting point is 00:53:49 and fully, twisted his ankle and acted like he didn't even notice it. He just kept going. He twisted his ankle, limped to the beer pong table, and then didn't even mention it. That's the picture. That's so bad. Look at that.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Dude, this is not a real photo. I mean, it looks incredibly Photoshop. Look, how is that possible? It was great. That's who he lost to?
Starting point is 00:54:13 Everybody. Yeah, he lost. Big Rob, too, to me would be so interesting to meet because we only really know. him or envision him like basically a mute at work. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:26 That's kind of sort of envision him like a larger than life, real personality mingling in a social setting is like unimaginable to me. That's that's a good point. That's what it is. I was trying to think of like, why is his personality so much different than I thought it was going to be? And it is because Frankie talked about how he's never laughed at work. And then I show he shows up to the party and he's, you know, he's Mr.
Starting point is 00:54:49 big personality, which I love. And he was just, yeah, he was. He had a big personality and I really enjoyed it. Yeah, he's the best. He's the best. I mean, I got him. I got to meet him. Everything about him is the best.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I think I saw him on somebody's Instagram story, like catching something and falling over in the grass. And I was like, that has to be big rob. Yeah, it is. 29, Frankie? 29. Last year of the 20s. So next year, I think before next birthday, I think I ended or so I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Like, I don't know if I can, I think the 20s, like, I can't be a 30-year-old. I'm too young. You're wrong about that, though, because you are, you're aging gracefully, right? Like you're doing all the right things. You're at a house. You're getting married next year. Like those are the things that a 30-year-old does. The 20s are chaos for the most part.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Early 20s, mid-20s, chaos. You don't know what you're doing. You don't really have the job that you want. You're not making the type of money that you want. Now as you advance, you're 29 now. You're going to turn 30. You're going to be a married man. You're going to have that house exactly how you want,
Starting point is 00:55:46 although it's already a beautiful place. Like you're going to be a 30 year old that is doing the right things. See, like all that stuff sounds great. I appreciate that. But I'm just saying that I don't think my personality, regardless of the things that I'm going to do or accomplish, has anything to do with a 30 year old. I think I'm still just, I mean, I can't talk about. Nobody grows up. Like nobody grows up.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Everyone's a child. Yeah, I know. I know. It's just. The more you talk to adults, if you ask them like brass tacks, like, how's it going? What's it like being as old as you are? And they're just like, I feel like I'm 30. I feel like I'm 30 all the time.
Starting point is 00:56:18 It's like that never changes. Your body ages, your brain ages, but you just, you don't actually change. I remember dreading the 30th and then the next day being like pumped because it was very relieving because you're like, oh, I'm just the same idiot. Yeah. It doesn't, nothing change. You also have a full 10 years before your next like life changing. True. Like whatever.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Yeah, you gain some like slack. You gained a little bit of slack in the row. You started zero almost. Like you're kind of like, hang it now. Yeah, we got it. Like I'm at the end of something now. and then you start the beginning of a new. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:51 If you were in the same position you were now that you were in when you were 22, then you're looking at a bit of an issue. Like if you're still, I don't even know what you were doing at 22, but you're not. You're, you're, look at what you've been doing.
Starting point is 00:57:04 So it's, it's different. Yeah. Um, Frankie, we, um, we,
Starting point is 00:57:09 we, we, we, we discussed at length, the, um, Zalotaurus win, the Cam Smith news,
Starting point is 00:57:16 um, all that stuff. I want to get in, into Scott Fawcett. He just texted us. But Scott Fawcett, the hell's going on this guy. So, Scott Fawcett has done a video with you. We've had him on the show. Find a lot of his stuff fascinating. We haven't released yet. He, I'll confess like a year ago or so I had to stop following him on Twitter. I just found him insufferable the way that he like smartest guy in the room like everyone all the time. I just couldn't handle it. When we did have him on the show, I loved it. I find his actual purpose, like,
Starting point is 00:57:48 The purpose of what he puts out there, I find incredibly interesting. And even Kiz is like taking, you know, takes it. I don't think he wants to deal with them directly, but takes that information and applies it. And like, it's fascinating to. I want you guys to know that I don't know why we're talking about Scott Fawcett. So I'm very interested to see what this goes. So Scott Fawcett, you know, decade golf, the whole deal, he will apply literally like thousands and thousands of shots at a PGA tour event on one hole. over the history of the entire event that anyone who misses in the left rough has like, you know, 0.25 lower scoring average than anybody who misses in the right rough.
Starting point is 00:58:30 So your aiming line is actually down the left edge of the fairway, not down, you know, the right center. And we'll literally apply that to every single part on the golf course. It's why Will's Alatoris and his first master's ever almost won the tournament and it became pretty famous that way. So it's fantastic, fantastic stuff from just an insightful. golf standpoint. But Scott Fawcett is very controversial guy. He's incredibly opinionated, incredibly. And he can be a little bit of a wild card sometimes.
Starting point is 00:58:58 And so yesterday, he was tweeting throughout the Zaltoran battle down the stretch. You know, he's a huge Zaltor's guy. He was taking victory labs. And he and Justin Thomas actually tweeted a couple of these screenshots because Scott has since deleted him. He tweeted, uh-oh, and again, and then in all caps, fuck you, Dan Hicks. This wouldn't be a gift because Dan Hicks had made a point of like a pretty throwaway comment on the coverage being like, oh, there's a Miss Green from Sep Straca. This could be a gift for Zalotaurus.
Starting point is 00:59:34 His response is that, Will has the best speed control on tour, so he fucking earned it, you dick. Okay, nice put, Seth. And then another one, he goes, hey, at Brad Faxson and Dan, go fuck each other. Yes, I understand this is classless and crude, but let me repeat myself. Period, you, period. Onlookers feel free to unfollow block and never buy decade. I don't give a fuck.
Starting point is 00:59:55 And he had some more that were wild as well, where he wrote, I really do try to bite my tongue with the commentators, but go fuck yourself Dan Hicks with six exclamation points. Pudder was wobbly earlier this year. You have no idea what the truth is. Fuck face. Sit in the booth.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Yes, this is a joke, but there's always truth in comedy, smiley face. So he was tweeting these things during the tournament yesterday. And then he just texted us basically saying I'd love to come on the show and like give my vantage point, which I'm not going to have them on the show. I don't know how to explain that. I really just don't know how to explain it. I always love when someone goes insane on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:00:34 And then at the end of they're like, well, you guys just don't understand comedy. This is comedy. This is comedy. No, he had a crazy day on Twitter. And listen, I never really, I didn't know Scott until he came on the show. And then we're doing fixing Frankie. We're like piecing together all these. episodes. I, like, wanted to come out with the series this year because my, like, feeling was
Starting point is 01:00:53 that I thought that I had too much potential to be, like, a 10 or 11 handicap. And I really wanted to see what is the reason why I can't get better. So we went to Dr. Brett McCabe and we're doing all these things. We're going to do something with Trevor Immelman. And then I thought, like, maybe it'd be interesting to see, like, if it works for guys, like, if Kisner thinks it's interesting and it works for Will Zaltors, like, obviously the whole world thinks that the whole golf world thinks that this guy has something in there, like his actual process. So I'm like, all right, we'll invite him out to Colonial and we'll see. He was super nice. Like meeting him in person. He wrote that in the text. Like, you guys know I am an actual good guy. I will go on
Starting point is 01:01:30 record saying like in person, he was a very, very nice guy. I think Brendan can attest to that. I think, I think who was with us? Avery could attest to that. Like he was, even my dad was like, yeah, I guys had a nice guy. Like he was fucking, he just, he's just very like, it's like fucking right in your face. Like, this is how you do it. And if you don't do it, you're wrong. And I think that that's really hard pill to swallow in golf where it's like, well, things can happen. Like, bounces can happen. Guys have different swings. Guys have different approaches. Like, he's obviously right. Like, the things he's saying are correct. Like, he's just saying math. He's saying math equations. People don't like want to accept. But like, he is legitimately like,
Starting point is 01:02:07 I am right and you're all wrong. And you just can't be that guy on Twitter. Like just, but he also has a business to sell. Like he's selling like, like he's selling like, like he's telling his, he has these things that like, what are those things that you can like sign up for. Subscriptions? No, it's like he like talks for like four hours, a seminar. He'll like sell seminars and all these PGA pros like go online and they watch his like four hour seminars about like how to tackle like the FedEx cup. He's just very off putting. Like the way that he tweets is extremely off putting and the way that him packaging all of that stuff into like go fuck each other.
Starting point is 01:02:41 That's great. Hicks. Like, those guys are just the commentators up there. Like that seems a little crazy. And then he's going into like, you people don't know the full history. And it's like, well, okay, but then why are you tweeting all that to all of those people? If you know those people don't know the history, then you know that that's going to get taken out of context. So when we had him on the show, he was great.
Starting point is 01:02:59 I'm sure he's nice. But this, I mean, I can't not talk about. Justin Thomas screenshot of these and was like, holy fuck. He's a lunatic on Twitter. And like, I'm almost embarrassed. Like, we have to release the video because this stuff in the video fucking works. I went from an 11 to a 5.6 in three months. And I attribute all the stuff that he did.
Starting point is 01:03:19 All the stuff that I did, I attribute to like a lot of it to him. Like it was all alignment stuff and like where to hit the ball and like slowing down the swing and like aim points off the T box. Like it was all these things that unlocked a part of my brain where it's like holy fuck golf is like easier now. But like also we have this guy who's an absolute liability on Twitter that like Justin Thomas like wants to like Justin Thomas hates this guy. Like the whole golf world hates this guy and I'm just going to be like yapping it up with him on our YouTube page being like, oh, we got Scott Fawcett out here. He hates fucking Brad Faxson. Like what the fuck? Come on. Scott. Just stop talking for like two months so we can put this video out. I would also say that the job of a guy like Dan Hicks or any person in that position is to appeal to a broad audience. Like imagine if he starts talking about like decade golf and the intricacies of it. Like my dad, a 70 year old, 71 year old man who watches golf every Sunday would be like, what is. is happening right now. Why is this guy filling me with numbers and data and all this stuff
Starting point is 01:04:16 that I don't understand? Like, I just want to hear a guy talk about like, oh, that was a good shot. You know, he's got a pretty good angle from over there. And, you know, he gets up and down. It's going to force Will's Alatoris to do this or that. That's what Dan Hicks' job is. It's not to like be 100% in the numbers and being like, this is the situation and this is what each player has to do. It's not a job. No. Right. Yeah. He always feels slated.
Starting point is 01:04:42 He feels like when someone says something like, oh, he got lucky there that they're going directly against the Scott Fawcett Rules of Golf. Like, that's not what's happening. They're just commentating on what they believe is the best way to describe what they're seeing to the people that are watching it on TV. I mean, dude, no one's saying that like, you're wrong. Yeah. One of the most used cliches in the world is like, oh, yeah, it just like take anything too personally. takes everything personally. Like everything that's said ever, he takes personally.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Like, if you're like, Will shouldn't have had like a breakfast bar in the morning. He'd be like, fuck you. We talked about this six months ago that actually the supreme way to wake up is eating oatmeal. It's like, dude, I don't fucking know what you're talking about. And would be, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:05:31 He'd be like, right. Like if they're like, oh, what a break in the playoff that Will's ball bounces and doesn't go in the water. he would be like, fuck you, you fucking scumbag. Actually, his aim point is three feet to the left of that because all the work that we've done. It's like, no, dude, it just kind of bounced like, that's kind of a good break. It's just a, it's a normal commentator comment. Nobody's attacking your entire philosophy and meaning as a person.
Starting point is 01:05:53 It's just like. I'd love to know how Willie Z feels about it because I think he attributes a lot of his success to Scott and the way that, I mean, they worked together for years. He was on his bag and like they completely changed his game and his way of thinking. and now he has to almost like accept that this guy goes rogue on Twitter on his behalf, like his team's behalf. That's kind of like a bad place to be where it's like, dude, just fucking shut up and let me just win. That's the thing too, right?
Starting point is 01:06:18 And we've said it a couple times during this. Like at the end of the day, the stuff that he does works. Like Stuart Singh missed it. And he got a couple wins. Like people are like, this shit works. It's just that he is brash and aggressive on Twitter. And obviously Justin Thomas took note of it and took screenshots, which that is like, So did Justin Thomas just tweeted out the screenshots?
Starting point is 01:06:38 Yeah, he replied to something. He replied to something and was just like, look, I get like supporting your guy, but this is pretty classless. And he's right. I mean, those tweets are outrageous tweets. I don't like nobody likes a sore winner. Like I know you deleted these,
Starting point is 01:06:52 but like we can all still see him. It's like a pretty funny tweet from JT. Like you're just like a lunatic and like just try and try and be classy like and let the guy enjoy his win. And that is a large platform. A Justin Thomas tweet. There's many people who see that tweet who are, like who the fuck is Scott Fawcett
Starting point is 01:07:07 and then they're going to see the tweets and be like, well, that guy's crazy. Right. Which I don't blame them for thinking that off those. I know you guys went deep into the Willie Z stuff, which was an amazing playoff. I watched it on the plane. It was just like, I'm looking around being like,
Starting point is 01:07:19 how is no one else on the plane watching this? You have like your eyes on like 80 different TVs ahead of you? Not one person has gone. Did you feel like a trader as a live guy watching that playoff? Yeah, okay. I mean, I loved watching it. It was amazing. That was great.
Starting point is 01:07:32 By the way, like, yeah, I got a text message from like someone from Liv being like we'd love to have you guys at Boston. It's going to be your homecoming. It's like, I don't know. It's like we're just probably not going to go to that at all. Give us $100 million. That's exactly.
Starting point is 01:07:45 I want to respond being like, what's your price? You know what I mean? Like what's your price to have us show up to that golf course on next week? Did you guys talk about the guy in the yellow? No. Oh my God, dude. The fucking guy in the yellow.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Will Zaltors has to go back to the drop area. It's his biggest golf shot of his career. I mean, I don't think there's any debate of that. you have to hit this thing tight. You got to make it up and down. Big decision. I'm sure you guys got into it, but it was the right decision, obviously. You go back to the drop zone area. He's talking through with his caddy, looking at an aim point. Where are we looking? This is Dr. Brett McCabe thing. Talk it out loud. This is a Scott Fawcett thing. Talk it out loud. Find your spot. And then you hit it to that spot and it will react once it hits the green in all these different variances.
Starting point is 01:08:27 But the odds are it will get closer to the hole than not. Okay. So he has this entire system. and he goes, I'm, I got the guy, I'm looking at the guy in the yellow right now. And it just like hit me that there's this nice man who's like probably a volunteer. It's been standing on this hole the entire week. He's standing right there in front of the grandstand. And he's just, he has no idea that he is now the aim point for a professional golfer hitting a golf shot with a chance to win a FedEx Cup playoff, playoff. Like the idea that if he just like bent down during like, right, as Will's Altor's
Starting point is 01:09:02 at him or if he moved or just like coughed and moved and like shook his arms like maybe he would throw will off a little bit but he was a fucking statue standing there being a perfect aim point will's out towards his a perfect golf shot right online with the guy in the yellow and he goes on to win the golf tournament big day for the guy in yellow and I want to like get in contact with him and be like do you know that you're a part of history you are he is a part of history and what other sport do you have that where like a fan is like the thing the guy aims at like like jj jj red is that right jj red wasn't like I'm looking at the guy with the hat on like when I shoot my three so that like I can stay online with this shot he's just like playing the game they actually in every other sport they
Starting point is 01:09:41 fucking they don't see anyone they block out the noise wills altars zoned in on this guy's shirt like you kidding me yeah imagine if he had gone to the bathroom he's like I got pissed really bad right and then he looks up and like well's like wait where's my aim point and then like pushes it and he loses it's like that guy had to stay solid hopefully somebody told him hopefully somebody pointed it that nose and was like hey you you're the aim point for Will's Al-Torris on this one. He is a part of that play. Do you might think he was considering hitting that ball?
Starting point is 01:10:10 He looked at it for a long time. It just made no sense based off of what like the situation called for. Like that would be insane. I got a lot of text message, tweet saying that we should go try it. I got like a bunch of DMs being like, you guys need to go to that golf course and try that exact shot. Like put the ball there on that fucking right in between the lip and all that stone
Starting point is 01:10:31 and see if you could actually accomplish it. Yeah, because, yeah, it's also hard to tell on TV how, you know, because I do think it was kind of in a cave because his thinking is clearly, like if I can even just get this anywhere forward, it's over. Yeah. But so, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I thought he was going to hit it for a second. I really did.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Especially if, like, I wonder if Straca had hit his drop zone shot onto the green. I wonder if that would have changed what Zalotaurus did at all. I think he hits it. I do too, because I think he's like, all right, I have one shot here that, like, if I, like, I think if Strachga hits it to like 20 feet, like an average shot from the drop zone. And I think then Zalotor's is like, okay, if I just make contact with this ball, there's a good chance that I win. And if I don't, then like we're probably just going to tie. You know, like, I wonder, I wonder if that would have changed it. Whereas there he was like, he was in a spot where he's like, okay, if I take a drop, I have a put to win no matter what.
Starting point is 01:11:29 Whereas like, yeah, I don't know. It was, it was interesting to watch. It was hard to tell. I think if he hits it, it's a disaster, by the way. Like, either it goes nowhere or it goes backwards. Yeah, I think from the camera angle, I think there was way too much stuff on top of the ball for it. I don't think the physics works for it to be able to get a club on it
Starting point is 01:11:48 and then get the ball over the lip. Well, it was under, it seemed like the cement part. So you're not going to be able to get, like you'd have to hit the ball. You're not going to get under it. You're going to hit the ball. And then the grass was so high. that there's no way it's going to get up and over. There's just no way.
Starting point is 01:12:03 Up against the grass and back. I wonder what Scott Foster has done. Well, he's probably saying, like, we tried to hit it in the water so that the drop zone area is better. What did you guys think about? We got to talk about Red Recovery real quick. Let's talk about Red Recovery. Red Recovery promotes faster muscle recovery,
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Starting point is 01:13:55 It might be boring 95% of the time, but in those moments, you see everything. You see what makes golf awesome for the best players in the world, for the worst players in the world. Everyone goes through those swings where those guys were ripping them down the fairway at times. Then they would hit shitty T shots and have to chip out. And then after chipping out, they would fucking hit one to a couple feet and make a put.
Starting point is 01:14:15 And then the next hole, guy hits it in the water on top of the walls, Alatoris, and the third playoff hole, and you're thinking, oh, Straga is going to hit this 30 feet left. It's over. Then he hits it in the fucking water, which it's like one of the best players in the world. We've played golf with Kevin Kisner with Max Homa.
Starting point is 01:14:29 It feels so easy for him from 151 yards for any one of those guys to just hit it on the green. Like could you even fathom having been there with those guys, them missing the green to the right and hitting in the water? And it speaks to like what nerves and truly changing the way your body feels in real time, how golf does affect people so much. That got, no, Sebstraka could never miss that shot to hit it in the water. ever except in that scenario. And he does it and ends up losing the golf tournament. It was fucking insanity, how cool that playoff was. That was a stunner, obviously.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Sep hitting in the water there. Like, again, it's easy for me to say it because I'm sitting in my apartment and I'm a pretty bad golfer, although I'm trying to get better. Just aim as far left as you can. Like hit whatever club you know is not going in that water. Now, again, hindsight's 2020. But if like, think about it. If you watched yesterday, if you had a time machine, you watch.
Starting point is 01:15:24 Watch that Will's Alator's shot. What is the percentage? Like, what is the percentage of Sepp Strachah hitting that green after that shot? Like, if you asked, if you pulled a bunch of people, I'd say it's like 95% chance he lands it on the green.
Starting point is 01:15:39 They didn't. Water. I honestly was thinking, like, there's no way I hit it in the water there. Like, I was literally saying, like, I would just hit that in the middle of the green. Now, I'm probably wrong. If that guy, if Step did it, I could clearly do it.
Starting point is 01:15:51 But it's like, it wasn't like a 230-yard shot. It was a fucking, nine iron or whatever it was like 150 yards those guys are so incredibly good it was so shocking when he hit it in the water i i honestly just couldn't believe it um step is a little bit of a wild boy with his lines though the first two t shots on 18 the first one was like well that's going on the water and then it ended up being perfect and the second one we're like well that's definitely going to the water and almost when the water was just on the ledge so he is kind of taking these crazy lines regardless of the situation which i loved i liked how aggressive he played he kept
Starting point is 01:16:24 He kept just ripping that draw with the three wood on the 18th T. Tillgaid. Playoff and everything else. So I like that. Tillgang, I saw Tillgang was all jacked up. He posted a couple things. That's your guy.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Speaking of Till gang. And there's a bunch of stuff. We're going to jump around a little bit. But I caught up with the latest breaking 90 episode. 96, I believe it was for anybody out there who, you know, I mean, at this point, spoils and all that. Trent, I was very, I was thinking about, you know, like, obviously your game, how close I think you are.
Starting point is 01:16:53 You're unbelievably close, clearly. I think that one, is it the fifth hole that kills you there? Yeah, that's a rick hole, Frankie said it at the end of the video, but it's one swing. The other thing I was thinking is like, people have been harping on your putting and all that. I really don't think your putting was that bad. I think it's pretty good.
Starting point is 01:17:08 I think you're approach shots. Like, you're driving it well. I think your approach shots, I don't know if it's like a little more focused. Obviously, Tillgang fucking knows a lot more about it than I do. But I think like you're leaving yourself in spots, I feel like on your approach shots that are just adding,
Starting point is 01:17:25 that are making it so easy for you to have tap in bogey after tap in bogey and not enough chances to have a really good look for like a par. And I feel like your approach shots are fucking close, but you're just like miss hitting a couple of them to the point where it's like,
Starting point is 01:17:42 it's leaving you in a spot where it's like he might make bogey or double here instead of like, oh, he should based on his touch and everything, have a pretty good look for par. And if he misses it, he makes a bogey. if you do that a bunch, all of a sudden you're in the high 80s and you're threatening. So I actually thought like you're off the tea. I was like, fucking he looks good.
Starting point is 01:17:58 And then even the put's like you were pouring a lot of the ones from five, six feet. Like you were pouring them in for the most part. He's like automatic now. He's, I don't think he's four putt in a breaking 90 episode ever. I think that was more of a breaking 100 episode. Yeah. Something about Scotland changed my putt in. And I think it's because it made me realize, it made me look back, literally look
Starting point is 01:18:21 back at America and be like, what are they doing with their greens? Because what Scotland does is they don't use it really, at least the courses that we played, they don't use it as a punishment. They just kind of let them grow a little bit and the speed is true. And so you kind of get a feel for that putting. And then you realize it makes you, you know, zoom out a little bit and be like, all right, so what's the difference between Scotland Greens and American Greens and what American Greens do at these at these clubs that we play and all over the country is that they use it as a defense mechanism the course. So they use it like they want to make them lightning quick so it can kind of defend the course a little bit. And once you have that in your head, and this is probably something I
Starting point is 01:19:00 should have realized a long time ago, but Scotland really made me realize it that these greens, they are using it so that they're trying to add strokes to your score. So just be a little bit more cautious, be a little bit more gentle with the lag puts. Don't blow it 15, 20 feet by because that's just a recipe, it's three putt and sometimes even four put. So you just got to be a little bit more cautious with them. And I've got that in my head during these videos and whenever I play. And it has improved my putting times a billion. So that's not where the strokes are. The strokes are what you're saying, Rick. It's where I sometimes leave my approaches not in the greatest spots. Even when it is a good spot, I just don't get it up and down or put it in a
Starting point is 01:19:41 place where I can make a decent score. That's where the sevens come in. That's where the eights come in. And they just kill me. I personally think, I think I know where the problem is. And I've, I've, I'm never in a place to be able to say where it is, and I'm not going to be one of those guys that DM's fucking trying. A million people say that they know what his problem is, but no one watches as many shots of Trent than I do. And when I'm on the side of him,
Starting point is 01:20:03 I realize that his ball placement, ball position placement is all over the place with irons and pitching wedge and approach shots. So sometimes it'll be way on his front foot and he'll just fucking pull one into the trees. Like we'll be 135, 140 yards out, and he nuts like a nine iron way into the trees left. I'm like, dude, I watched him have that on his front foot.
Starting point is 01:20:24 And then other times it'll be way on his back foot and he'll like chicken wing it into the right bunker. And it's like, dude, when he's at the range, it's always in the same spot because like you find like that little spot of grass or maybe on the mat. Like it's always in the same spot. He's always stepping in the same spot and he flushes iron after iron. Then we get on the golf course and like the ball's a little bit above his feet or something or like it's behind. It's on his back foot and he pushes and he pulls. One of the biggest things Scott Fawc taught me was the ball. position. And he's not even like a teaching pro like that. But he lined me up with an alignment
Starting point is 01:20:55 stick going across and then one coming through my legs. And he's like, the ball should be there every time because your swing plane has to hit somewhat close to what you always swing or else you're never going to be consistent. I'm telling you right now, those massive pulls and pushes are just, he doesn't have the ball in the same spot. Because his swing is fucking consistent. It's never like, oh my God, you came so outside the end on that one. Like I never see that. I never see like a drastic change in a swing. It's always just like, why the fuck did you set up like that? You know what I mean? It's like, fuck. It's like it was just something was different each time. Yeah. No, that's fair. I mean, yeah. That I think that's probably spot on. And like,
Starting point is 01:21:34 the other thing is like the multiple chips around the green, you know, like it's that's like if you just plop them into the middle of green, you like it's obviously it's fucking easier to said, don't you. I know you're trying to. But it's like those are it's, it's, it's, you're so close in my mind as a viewer because you're there. You're in position all the time. It's like if you flub a chip, then you try to get too aggressive now instead of like making again another pretty easy tap in bogey and you're rolling. It's like somehow he made a seven or on that the fifth hole with the bunker and the fucking lip that you hate. It's like you're so capable of hitting that bunker shot. I've seen you hit that bunker shot a million times. You should put that on the green two putt. You're like rolling. So it's like little shit that that is what golf is.
Starting point is 01:22:13 That's how they add up obviously. But it's it's I don't want you to be disheartened because watching. I'm like, oh, this guy has it. Like you could easily. easily I could just get a text like tomorrow whenever you guys go film that's like trench shot 86 and I wouldn't be surprised right I've definitely gotten to a point where I've just I've reached the next level where it's like 90s like mid 90s high 90s no matter what which is obviously just a huge change from the old game which is what we're trying to do we're breaking 100 now we're trying to get down so like I know like that's a confidence that you don't expect to have and then once you have you're like all right If I just play my game, and even if I, you know, blow up a couple holes, I'll probably shoot like a 97 or 96.
Starting point is 01:22:55 Like that's, that's a confidence that you don't even expect. And then it comes to your door once you break 100 and you play and you keep doing it. So I'm right there. I'm definitely right there. And I think what you guys are saying, all that stuff is true. And one of these days, it's just going to happen. You're essentially a bogey golfer. Like you're literally just a bogey golfer.
Starting point is 01:23:12 It's like two or three holes where you're a little worse than that. And then a few pars. and those things don't perfectly balance each other out, and you end up in the mid-90s. But it's like for the average hole, like I would say going into, like if you're using Barstool Sportsbook, and it was the average hole,
Starting point is 01:23:29 I think you're over-under would be right at bogey. And then it's like you're probably going to, you know what I mean? It's like, or it be bogey and a half or whatever. And like you're just as likely, you're going to make bogey a lot of the time. It feels like 12 or 13 of the holes.
Starting point is 01:23:43 You just make a pretty easy, stress-free bogey. And it's like if you could just keep the triples and doubles from being those and being one shot less and then mix in just a couple more pars, you're all the sudden high 80s guy. Like it's just right there. Like I think two episodes ago at Rockville, I made six pars. Like that's just not something that I would do in the past. That's great. It's so many pars. And I still, I think I had a couple eights, a couple sevens.
Starting point is 01:24:10 And it's just like, rock. But if you can just like minimize the damage, make a few pars, that it's going to happen. A third of the holes, you make part. It's amazing. Yeah. And we're talking, I mean, he has a video coming down on Thursday. That's going to be must watch. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:25 Simple as that. Let's go. It's a simple as that. Thursday, 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. It should be. It should be. I got a big shout to British Airways and American Airlines. Finally got my bag back.
Starting point is 01:24:38 Wow. Congratulations. How many days? 41. Forty one. Okay. Holy shit. To get me my bag.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Checked it in St. Louis. on July 3rd, I think, July 3rd, 2022. And I checked it in St. Louis. I went from St. Louis to Philly, Philly to Heathrow, Heathrow to Glasgow, and did not see my bag from when I left it with the American Airlines agent until I think it was Saturday, you know, like August 13th or whatever it was. Wow. So big shout out to, I think it's kind of a tag team effort between American Airlines and British Airways.
Starting point is 01:25:17 What I'll never understand, and they were very much, they accepted my, my compliments and my thank yous on social media. But what I want to understand is that the tag, the tag was on the bag. So like, there was all of this back and forth for months, as people can imagine, about them trying to get me to describe to them what the bag looks like. And then the contents that are inside of the bag, and I would say, close. And then they would be like, you need to be more specific. And I'd be like, Peter Millar clothes. And you need to be more specific. Be like Peter Malar golf clothes that are different colors and shit because it's a golf trip.
Starting point is 01:25:52 And what I can't comprehend is how on earth would they have needed any of that information? Because the tag is on the bag. They could just scan it at any moment. And then a computer system will just tell their system where that bag is. So at any point, they got that little fucking thing with the red thing and they could just scan it, the laser. And they, I just will never be able to grasp how they didn't know where it was. I can get that it didn't make it on the plane. I could get that it sat in a warehouse for a while until somebody could get to it.
Starting point is 01:26:18 But I'll never comprehend how they just didn't know where it was because it still has the tag on it. Yeah. Do they give you 10 billion rewards points or whatever? Or do they just, when they give it to you, they just patch on the head and tell you to get the fuck out of it? They don't tell you anything. The only thing they give you is they're like, yeah, you can buy necessities and then you can submit them for expenses and we'll cover them. But like, I'm not going to do that. I don't, like, that's for the birds.
Starting point is 01:26:49 What am I? You know, it's like a Saturday. You may have like a million points in your bank. You may have a million points in your bank. The other day, Delta, like, we were delayed like an hour and I got an email saying like they deposited 20,000 miles into my account for being like a platinum medallion member and then having to wait on the tarmac for an hour. Like at a certain point, there needs to be real stakes with these things.
Starting point is 01:27:11 Like, if you don't get your bag back in two months, you automatically get named the CEO of that company. You now just take over. You're the head. Like right now there's no stakes. Like you, you had your bag was lost for 41 days and they're like, whatever, dude.
Starting point is 01:27:26 Like bags get lost. What do you want us to do? There's nothing pressing. But if you were to say like, if it gets lost for 45 days, we're going to give you $200,000. Right. It is,
Starting point is 01:27:36 to Frankie's point, it's hilarious how they, they don't treat anyone like a human being until you reach a certain status. And then they treat you like they're so nice. Because I have that on Delta as well. And the only time that I'll ever really get anything outside of that motherfucker in Salt Lake who was like, you have to go talk to Delta.
Starting point is 01:27:55 And I was talking to Delta. It said Delta on her fucking face. But they will legitimately, like you get text messages from them if your flight's delayed. Like you get like a personal text message. That's like we're super sorry about the inconvenience. Please stop by our lounge. It will have like a drink ready for you. And then the whole rest of your life,
Starting point is 01:28:13 they literally won't even look at you or speak to you like you have a pulse. And then as soon as you reach the status, all of a sudden this whole network of human beings kicks in and they just treat you like a person. It's a weird feeling. I think Frankie has just so many delta points. He shows me sometimes. I'm like, boy,
Starting point is 01:28:29 that's a lot. And there's got to be a level where when he shows up to the airport, he gets a piggyback ride to the gate. There's just like how far can it go because they are so accommodating. Like you're saying, once you reach platinum status, they just do everything for you that I don't know where it goes. I had a handwritten note on my seat when we went out to Scotland.
Starting point is 01:28:50 It was like a thank you for choosing Delta on an international flight or whatever. And then yeah, it was crazy. This lock situation is taking a turn for the worst. My dad's pacing around. Because this fucking the deadbolt lock, I guess, on these doors, like these doors are so like unique and old and different. like this whatever this community is like it's a different type of door and the lock that this guy has like doesn't doesn't like meet so we have to like call i don't know spanish bay and like say do you have
Starting point is 01:29:21 like extra like deadbolt locks like whoever built this like community needs to have like the locks i don't i don't want to do any of that like i'm sorry like i this is crazy i don't i didn't expect this to happen but it's a mistake it's a mistake and we have to just keep going on a mistake we've we've spent enough time around you to know that for whatever reason, and this is going to give credence to your thought that you're the main character in this whole story and it's only things happening to you. But we have spent enough time around you that only these things happen to you. Something goes wrong.
Starting point is 01:29:53 A flight gets delayed. You lock yourselves out of the house. And now you've got two male Borrellys in the same place. I don't even know what's going to happen while you guys are out. Where are we going to get this lock? You know what I mean? I wonder how many times you've texted. us with a sentence that starts with you guys are never going to believe this.
Starting point is 01:30:12 Yeah. And it is, it's always a, it's always actually something like there's some people who will say that and it'll be like, oh, they don't have a rental car for me. And it's like, dude, just deal with it. With Frankie, it's usually threat level midnight. Like we got a real problem over here. Yeah. You could be with the crazy deja vu by the way.
Starting point is 01:30:31 And I know I've never been here. But that's fucked. You weren't there for the dad, Bob? No, no, I know I've never been in this situation where I had to drill into a dead bolt lock at someone's house that they allowed me to stay at on the beach of fucking Spanish Bay and then have to deal with that while we're about to play the hay in like two hours and try and go, what is the place? What's the breakfast place of Spanish? Is it Roy's? Uh, yes, I think it's Roy's. There's like three rush shots right there, but I think it's Roy's.
Starting point is 01:30:57 We're trying to go there right now and I got to deal with this lock situation, dude. I mean, he's got, like, we drilled that shit off. That's just gone. Like, he's got no. Shit's gone. That lock is gone. I think I'm pretty deep right now in the weeds on Twitter with like pro live fucking nut huggers. Who are these?
Starting point is 01:31:16 Here's what I'm curious about. And I don't. I think my, my latest theory is that ever since the Trump Bedminster stop, that this has galvanized political takes that are involved in the whole thing. Oh, that's the worst part. I think that the people, right, because there's no reason to be a huge pro live guy. Like, there's no, like, reason. I don't even think there's a reason to be a huge pro PGA tour guy. I don't think, like, it's not NWO.
Starting point is 01:31:47 This is just, they're just too late. I'm glad you said it because, like, that has been, I think that's insane that people are, like, sucking the teat of PGA tour. Right. No, of either one. I think, like, you have your, you can have your belief that, like, one is people should, you know, hold integrity by going to one versus the other, which I'm, which we've discussed a lot on the show.
Starting point is 01:32:06 But in terms of like there's no, like people shouldn't be buying like PGA tour like merch and being like I'm a PGA tour guy. And same with Liv. Like why would you be, why would you be a huge fan of a thing that just pays other people a ton of money? Like why do you care? Why would you like that? It is what it is. It just exists. That's cool. So what I don't get is when people, I was just tweeting about like I just tweeted LOL about, I quote tweeted the Cam Smith withdrawal news and I just wrote LOL. And then the first comment under it had most likes was Riggs likes making. money off pro golfers but doesn't want them making money. So I'm like, what are you talking about? I just literally wrote LOL to Cam Smith withdrawing, which clearly the connotations are that there's something going on with him going to live and the PGA tour and all that. So then I quote tweeted and had my little take basically being like, Zaltor has made almost $3 million yesterday. So clearly I'm not against people making money.
Starting point is 01:32:58 And like I happen to side with Tiger Woods on like, I think it's better to play on the PGA tour and make millions than it is to just sell out for live. but I understand that people take money. And it is just now, I mean, it's an argument. You're a lib. It's, I think that's what it is. I think people have now conflated it to political allegiance. And I think that must have happened because Trump was basically doing the rally at Trump
Starting point is 01:33:21 and minister and all that because I've noticed that it's taken in the last two weeks, just like general tweets about golf are now coming with like, yeah, you're basically a lib cuck or something. I'm just like, no, I'm just tweeting about two different golf leagues. Okay, but see, I have to say something about that, though. I think this whole thing was politicized from the very beginning. I called Trent out for that when we were in Minnesota, saying, like, if you kept calling me a live guy, it felt like there was like some political connotation to that where it's like you're a specific type of person.
Starting point is 01:33:50 If you think that the competition between two leagues is like a good thing for like the sport or like if you tried to talk about the devil's advocate side of live compared to PJ Tory, like you have these like feelings about the world. and morality and like the way that things should happen. Like I think it's, I think it's been politicized from the very, very beginning considering it's been all the Saudi Arabia talk. I wanted to be clear that we didn't put that on. Like, we didn't say that about you. We weren't saying that.
Starting point is 01:34:18 No, but it just comes from that place. It obviously does. It's like, well, if you're a live guy, you're this guy. It's like, well, no. I just think like, I was taking evidence on this podcast is that like, you've been devil's advocate mostly on the live side. I wasn't saying like you're this type of person. Well, and I would say, okay.
Starting point is 01:34:35 I would say, though, I think there's a difference between political. Like now I think it's political. I think being like against Saudi Arabian horrific regime is not political. I think that's just like moral, which I think is very different. Whereas this now is like it's all, it almost feels like they're trying to base upon where they think you lie on should people go to live or not is puts you in a bucket in their mind of who you voted for for president is literally like how these people are looking at it. I don't think they were doing that. I thought that that's what it was always happened.
Starting point is 01:35:06 And that's why I was like, I was fed up with the fact that you couldn't even talk about both sides without being put into a bucket. But it is what it is. It's always going to be that way. There's always going to be one side. There's always going to be another. I'm almost angry. I am angry at the fact that now you're all right. Like, you can't even talk about it without, like, if you now talk about live or like their possibility of ever like being like a thing where they are actually coinciding with PJ Tour now, you're like siding with Trump.
Starting point is 01:35:35 and like you're automatically a Republican that like basically like stormed the fucking capital on January 6th. Like just by like now you're in that bucket. You know what I mean? Like you're like a psychopath, red hat wearing extreme right like no, like I don't know. I'm just talking about Cam Smith joining another fucking golf tour. Like now it's a thing where you are a person. And it's always felt like that where it's like you can't talk about this or else you're that person. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:36:01 No, I agree. And it is, I guess that is like kind of our entire culture now is like, you just get put in a bucket immediately. And there's like, then you feel like you have to fight your way out of it, even though you're not in it. And you're like, well, like, what we do? I was going to fight. And now I'm in a fight.
Starting point is 01:36:14 I don't know I was even in one. Right. And it's like if you, you know, if you clearly tweet that you're just like not a fan of LeBron James, it's like, you're a racist. You know, and you're just like, always. No, it's always going to be that. It's right. It's definitely, it's fed up in a big way.
Starting point is 01:36:27 It's way more severe now. And I guess my whole point in this whole thing, yes, there's been political undertones from the beginning. But I think now it is this, it is like taken over this where you can't even tweet about, like you can't even talk about this whole thing without instantly somebody is like one side of the other and they're putting you in a bucket and they're like against you. And you're like, no, I'm just, we're just talking about this whole fucking thing. We've lived this before, like it's been a very strange last decade or half a decade where it's like you couldn't even, you can't talk about politics or else you're one side or another. That's one thing. Now we had the president, the most fucking controversial president of social media of our generation.
Starting point is 01:37:03 he hit the fucking opening teabot. Well, I will say. So it's like that now it's like they've picked their sides. It's not necessarily. I agree with you guys are saying. It's also not coming out of nowhere. Yeah, true. He showed up and played and was like, I support this.
Starting point is 01:37:17 So it's like he's flaming. He's putting fuel on the fire just as much as anybody else. Yeah, that's true. That's a fair point. Yoga Bo. We got to talk about one of a kind comfort that conforms to your body. It is a chair, a couch, a recliner, even a bed. A perfect way to deep.
Starting point is 01:37:33 decompress after a day of birdies and or bogeys, the or getting locked out of your cool condo that your friend let you stay out. How the fuck am I going to get in here? The furniture is guaranteed to bring style to any space. This could be for you, Trent, uh, with the new apartment situation, which is still looking good. I have to be honest.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Did you put those bar stools together yourself or those come, uh, put together? I put those together. How long that take you? Not that long because they, they know that a guy like me is potentially going to receive the parts to it. it. So they make it pretty easy. And I mean, I've been putting together a bunch of stuff since I've been here. So once you start getting in a rhythm, you kind of, you know what the instructors are saying. You just kind of go. Yeah, it's also a very, uh, it's a nice accomplishing feeling when you do it.
Starting point is 01:38:16 You're actually like doing something real and tangible and there's a beginning and middle and you get to do it. I, I, I, the reason I asked, I ordered, um, when I first moved to my apartment years ago, I ordered bar stools too and they came and I put them together. And I remember it being a little bit tedious, kind of hurt my fingers. But at the end of the day, I was like, I put those together. It's kind of cool. I will say, so I put up. So I put up. these bookshelves right above this computer that you can't see. And it was pretty easy. You just drill stuff into the wall and it's no problem. There were four screws total that you had to do. And I got through three of them and the fourth one didn't go the way that I wanted it to.
Starting point is 01:38:46 So at some point in the future, when we're doing this podcast, there's a chance that I just get murdered by like 15 books. Put in anchors. Do you throw anchors in there? Drywall anchors? Of course not. Oh, fuck me. That's what I mean. bro you got to get the little poking the hole thing you poke the hole in you put the anchor in you knock that in and then you screw it in it's as tight as and i know we're talking about ned here so i'm not going to get into that but we are we're talking about yoga bows here so i you want me to finish that first so you can say whatever you want reinvent reinvent your space with a couple yoga boes yoga bow dot com slash forward use the code four that is f o r e for 25% off your order
Starting point is 01:39:27 that's F-O-R-E for 25% off your order. You go to Yoga Bo. That's Y-O-G-I-B-O.com slash forwardplay. Use the code for 25% off. All right, Frankie, now you can say whatever the fuck you want. Although I will check. I can't. I will check.
Starting point is 01:39:42 Oh, I don't see like the, you know, they rate the ads on how, I don't see anything. This one doesn't have it. Nah, we'll let it go. I think people can pick up context clues. But you got to throw in those wall anchors, man. I've been a wall anchor whore at my new house. I'm talking, I'm throwing in anchors for the lightest photos ever because I just don't want to deal with fucking bullshit.
Starting point is 01:40:01 And I was, it's coming down. Yeah, you got to take those up. You can't have just like screws into drywall and then like a heavy fucking shelf on top of your Mac computer. You just can't do that. Take them down. We'll come over.
Starting point is 01:40:13 We'll throw anchors in there and then we'll secure it. Simple as that. It's going to take two seconds. We'll see about that. I mean, it lasted two weeks. I've had it for about two weeks now. Did you hit a stud, you think? Do you know if like it went through any wood?
Starting point is 01:40:25 I would say unlikely. Think about like the size behind that. It's like nothing, it's not going into anything. It's going through the first couple inches and then it's just sitting there just out into nothing. You know what I mean? The screw is not drilled into anything. It's just in the air. I know,
Starting point is 01:40:42 I know at 3 a.m. some night I'm going to wake up thinking that someone is coming in to kill me and it's going to be these books are going to be on the ground. How am I getting a new lock right now? I'm in Monterey, California. I've got the nicest guy of all time and let me into his head. house and this lock has been on this house for 50 years. Frankie Borelli and his dad show up and now we got to get a new lock. This lock has lasted however long this building's been alive or standing up. It's fucking crazy that like the second I got here, we're making home improvements and now I got to go to like
Starting point is 01:41:15 Spanish Bay Town Hall and see if they got a box of locks. Like this is crazy. But it's a mistake. my dad's outside putting where is he walking to he just walked out of the house and he's just on his way on to Spanish Bay right now just live in life I don't even know if he can do that
Starting point is 01:41:35 there he goes all right how's the weather good yeah it's a little cloudy but like 63 right now and just it feels like you're in an air-conditioned room it's just compared to New York City in New York where it was
Starting point is 01:41:48 beating down 95 degrees every single day to step up off the plane and just be like wow just a nice breeze we wear a hoodie dude my guess he just sent me a video of him just laying down in front of roy mackroy hitting a driver in slow motion and rory just roast a driver right over s e with the phone oh my god what yeah this guy i mean i don't know that we can probably put this out i'm sure they're going to want to do but i'm going to send this to you guys and we're going to talk about it uh what a hero that man is what an
Starting point is 01:42:23 absolute hero. All right. What else do I want to get to? Merchandise. We can talk about merchandise real quick. Do a little plug our back to school stuff, killing it, by the way. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:42:33 The Unreal, the Unreal gear. Those two pullovers that got the hoodie and then we got the rowback hoodies in there. Those joggers. I don't know that we've really done joggers before. Those are absolutely excellent. I brought a couple of those in my bag. I refilled a new clothes since I got my bag back.
Starting point is 01:42:47 I've actually got a bunch of that stuff right there. But I tried the joggers on because like I just wanted to see what it would look I'm not necessarily a joggers guy. I don't have the bottom half really. Like my legs are, the bottom half of my legs are just so wide that I was never quite sure how they were going to look in joggers.
Starting point is 01:43:04 I put them on yesterday. They actually looked pretty good. Like they don't look as elephant-like as I thought they were going to look on my legs. And dude, I want to say something that'll get you excited. I don't know that we've released it for this release, but I think they've got something cooking for you
Starting point is 01:43:18 when it comes to joggers and colors. Oh yeah. Really? I want to put that tease out there into the world just for anyone that may be just you know trying to pick up what i'm putting down i saw an image i don't know if they're officially coming out yet but you're going to be really excited if you're going to be joggers guy oh yeah i i mean i might be now these things are so nice dude what they are fucking awesome store at barcelsports.com people can go check out the merchandise it's
Starting point is 01:43:48 yeah the new stuff the new stuff's fresh the tiger stuff still selling that crazy too man the tiger good. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I agree. We got new stuff coming out this fall, too, man. We got the ain't no hobby bag that I put in play. I think those are coming out this fall. Those will be ready.
Starting point is 01:44:03 So, yeah, we got good gear on there. I can't get over Trent. Speaking of good, his Carnusti hoodie is. That Carnusdy hoodie is so good. One of the better thing about it. I'm telling you, man, and our data at Barstle Sports with the Barstle Golf brand backs it up, every clubhouse in America, in Scotland, all over the world, should be selling hoodies because a guy like me is going to walk in there.
Starting point is 01:44:23 And apparently there's a lot of guys like me who are going to walk in there and want a hoodie. And Carnusti, Carnusty has hoodies and I bought one. And it's gotten 10 compliments since we started doing this podcast. So it's like everybody just starts selling hoodies, everybody. I couldn't agree more. We sell hoodies. So start out barstlesports.com.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Go check them out. And then let's do a couple from the galleries. I do want to laugh because I pretty much thought that from the gallery would be most of the show. It's an hour and 45 minutes in and we haven't done one yet. We have 11. We'll probably get to one. But T.J.S. said,
Starting point is 01:44:54 all this Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon talk has me thinking, which that's coming out on Sunday night. If Torverse Live did trial by combat, who are you taking from each league as your fighter? I got the PJ a tour guy right off the jump. No, no. You got a pick. Oh, you got your guy.
Starting point is 01:45:11 Sorry, sorry. Wait, so I have to pick someone from each tour to fight? Yeah, who would be your guys that you would pick? So if you're running the PJ Tour, you're running live, who are your guys that you pick from each tour to do trial by combat? And we're talking about an actual fight. We're not talking about a golf match. Trial by combat like from the fucking from the show. Well, actually, my guy might hit both. John Rom is the PJ tour representative.
Starting point is 01:45:34 Yeah. It's got to be Bryson, right? I mean, I don't know anyone else. I mean, if you give Bryson some sort of royd rage, I think he could probably snap someone's head off. I think he probably already gave himself a roid raid. But I would say that the, I do think we've had this conversation with Brooks, though, where we were like, would Brooks beat up Bryson because Bryson's like all big muscle, but he's not as sort of, I don't know, coordinated maybe, but he, I mean, clearly he's pretty coordinated. He's fucking. You watch some of these YouTube videos that Bryson puts that. And honestly, like, Bryson, we haven't talked about Bryson in a long time. Bryson has been doing like a pretty cool thing. If he just wasn't so unlikeable all the time, like he's documenting so much of his actual behind the, well, it was the PGA tour experience on YouTube. He's actually done a pretty good job. of it. He's like pretty committed if you watch his YouTube stuff. Committed to like filming himself. Like that stuff's not the easiest stuff to like constantly vlog when you're like having that much money. But some of these things I'll see like a bunch of clips on Twitter from him or Instagram.
Starting point is 01:46:31 He's a fucking lunatic when he works out, man. That guy is he gets hyped up and angry, which I think you have to like to try and swing 3,000 miles an hour. But I could see him putting up a fight. I think Rom absolutely rips him in half. I mean, Rom's built like a fucking dinosaur. he's got like big old paws he's like a polar bear and there's there's a real rage in there so that that goes a long way oh yeah i think a sneaky live guy might be a sneaky little guy might be phil he's just i feel like he's probably got a lot of pent of anger these days he's got a little brother thing with rom so it might be a good matchup in that regard but yeah brooks or brison probably you think d jers he too cool com collector and he's also like yeah he's seen him without a
Starting point is 01:47:17 shirt up. I think he's a little soft. I think DJ wouldn't even want to fight. If he got picked it, he, if he got picked it, like, I don't want to do it, man. Rom, is there anybody else in the PJ tour that would come close to Rom? No. No. He's a no-brainer. He's a house.
Starting point is 01:47:36 House. I mean, who's even close on live? Like, I don't even know if they're all kind of scrawny older guys. I know. It's Rom would just destroy anyone, I think. Like, and he would like, try about combat, you got to murder the other person, he would get the job done. Like, he would not. He wouldn't stop. I don't think of it. You guys, are you guys excited for that House of Dragon show? I want to say
Starting point is 01:47:56 that I am like, through the roof excited for that show. Whoa. My excitement hasn't gotten there yet because I've stayed away. I'm trying to tamper my expectations since the final season, obviously, of Thrones and how invested in that I was. So I'm, I'm trying to tamper. But I'm, I rewatched the trailer yesterday last night actually to get hyped up and I started to get pretty juiced up. It's the one thing that's hard thus far is there's zero connection to any of the characters. So like even watching the trailer, I have like no, I don't have any connection to the characters yet. So the trailer, it didn't really get me as hyped, you know, as a lot of throne stuff. But even just being back in the world for two or three minutes, just being in the world, seeing the Iron Throne,
Starting point is 01:48:39 seeing the dragons, kind of like hearing some of the lingo again got me pretty juiced up. See, I agree with that. I don't think trailers really get me off when it's like something completely new. Yeah. Like I think like season two trailers are the ones that really get you juiced where you're like, oh shit, where are they at? I agree in characters, but the setting and the world, like you're saying, Riggs, that's very familiar thoughts.
Starting point is 01:49:01 Oh, yeah. All you need to show me is like, I have a dragon opening up and you're like, oh, fuck, like it's fucking Game of Thrones. We're ready. I agree. I think enough time has passed. And it's just, I want to be in that world again. It's time like show me tittyes, show me dragons, show me fucking somebody getting their throat cut.
Starting point is 01:49:22 Dude, that was all I need on a Sunday night, dude. It got me thinking too. Like when I was, when I was seeing, when I was seeing the characters pop on the screen, I couldn't help but think like, man, some of these characters are going to get shockingly eliminated. And I can't wait for that. I don't even know, like, about them yet. I don't know who I like, don't like, but any of these people on my screen, I could be shocked. They might get their head locked. in like episode six and I might be stunned by it.
Starting point is 01:49:48 Like that guy. If they can recapture 45% of Primo Game of Thrones, amen. And that's a good point where you're saying. Like that show was at its best when the characters weren't as dug in. And we at a certain point with every show, you get to a point where it's like, that guy's not going to die.
Starting point is 01:50:06 He's just not going to die. It's the nature of having a show. If you had a show where everybody could die at all times throughout all 10 seasons, that's just not a show that anyone would actually connect with. But the first couple seasons of Thrones where it was like literally anybody can get it, that's when it's great. And if they can try to recapture just a part of that with this House of Dragons thing,
Starting point is 01:50:26 I'm going to be all the way in. It's also really impressive that they can do prequels like that, where you know the ending of the whole general story in the world that they're trying to show you and you still get invested in watching things before the thing you already fell in love with. I think about that with Better Call Saul. The fact that they were able to make a seven season or, however many seasons it's been, series based off of something that we already know the ending to in every way, shape, or form. We know all the storylines, all the characters, how it ended.
Starting point is 01:50:58 And they're like, hey, watch like everything that happened before that and like get invested in that story. Like, dude, I'm still watching Better Call Saul with like my heart pounding in my fucking throat being like, is he going to make it through this? Even though I know from breaking bad, he obviously made it through it because I watched fucking six seasons of that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like Godfather 2 is a little bit like that where they do on Corleone's, you know, his rise or whatever.
Starting point is 01:51:25 You're kind of like, well, I know where this goes, but they make the characters so interesting and the setting so interesting that you get invested in. Star Wars. Star Wars was like that. I mean, when they went, when they went back and did episodes one, two, and three and like you really started to realize that the first fucking movie ever was was called episode four and they put it on the scroll, you're like, wow. And then the fact that you're, you're almost more excited to be like, how did we get here? Like I know, because you kind of do know
Starting point is 01:51:53 the characters, right? You're like entering something new with a relationship to the characters. And so hopefully, I'm sure we'll get some of that. Like when I heard the name Targaryen, I like, I got the chills. I was like, oh, we are back. So I, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty juiced up, I guess. Probably more excited than I was leading on. Um, watching stuff is cool. Sling TV. Sling TV, you can watch stuff. Has something for everyone, all your favorite shows and your favorite channels, all right at your fingertips. What you watch is up to you.
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Starting point is 01:54:43 Sling's fucking great. Cool. I got to find my dad, by the way. I don't know how long we're doing this. You think he's lost in sauce? What time? Is it 10 a. It's been 20 minutes?
Starting point is 01:54:49 Yeah, it's been 20 minutes. He's just gone. That's, uh, what is it? Sticks is that place that's you can also eat at that's right next to the putting green there? Is that what it's called? Uh, at Spanish Bay? Yeah, I think so. I believe so.
Starting point is 01:55:00 Uh, I'm excited for you, Frankie. You pumped to play Pebble with your game the way it is right now? So pumped. I'm, I'm, so my, the thing I'm most pumped about is the seventh hole. it's my fucking it's my is my bugaboo this bugaboo is a bad thing right yep
Starting point is 01:55:15 I feel like bugaboo might be something you call like you like it's like maybe you call your blanket if you're a kid call it your bugger yeah it's like a little too soft and nice for something that's so like the seventh hole is horrific to me I've played three times
Starting point is 01:55:27 it'll be my fourth time playing I believe which is crazy to say but fuck man it is I've never even come close to hitting that green it's like a 110 yard shot like sometimes it's like 80 yards downwind, right? Like it's a little flip wedge. Take a 54 degree and just go back and forward. Like,
Starting point is 01:55:45 you know how to do this now. And I've always chunked it. I've always scalded it. I've always pulled it. Just figure it out. I am hitting that green and I'm making it too. I've been playing so well. I've been having so much fun playing the game of golf that I refuse to have a bad day out there. We're taking caddies. My dad's going to play great. It's just going to be fun. We're going to have a bunch of drinks. We're staying here on property. We can just fucking have a day. Oh my God. It's just, it's just, but you know what? The stress never ends. Like, this is supposed to be a stress free week for my dad. This is all I've been trying to do. Get him away from like stress, ocean golf. And we're fucking, we got to go find a fucking lock now. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:56:28 But think about it. He's stressed right now maybe, but he's just, he's wandering around. He don't know where he is. He was pacing this morning. He's like, I can't have a locked out. But now that he's out there, he's probably just like standing in the ocean. Yeah, right. That's right. Hopefully. It's a great place. If you're going to be stressed, it's a pretty good place to be.
Starting point is 01:56:43 That's right. I sent you guys a video of him pacing and the background's like hilarious. Like we're like in the greatest place of all time. You're pacing and like if you have to be pacing, there's nowhere better to be pacing. Yeah. And the flight was good. It was like everything is like fine. We're okay.
Starting point is 01:56:58 We're going to have a good day. We're going to get breakfast and then we're going to play. But yeah, it's never. I mean, my day started too, that someone. at my birthday party, somebody brought like a white claw. And like I should have kicked the person out or like murdered them. And it's in the side like view of one of my Instagram stories. And some dude tweeted Dave and Dave's texting me like should I start promoting your like your oppositions and your rivals of the podcast?
Starting point is 01:57:25 I'm like, dude, I swear I bought $400 worth of high noons. Like you should have seen how many high noons were on that table, but they weren't in that video. So I almost canceled the trip yesterday. That happened to me at the airport. I almost canceled the trip. We were delayed an hour and I looked at my dad. I said, sorry, Papa, you're not going to pebble. Because we want our friend Trish brought a one white cloth.
Starting point is 01:57:50 It's the worst drink of all times. It's like, no, we have high news, we have truilies. It's like I don't even know how I didn't see it. Had I seen it, she would have been dead. She would have been dead. Murdered. That's talk. I can't believe that.
Starting point is 01:58:04 it up on Dave's radar. That's a nice. It's just, and then like, I'm on my way out here. It's like, all right. Now we finally got here.
Starting point is 01:58:10 And then we fucking got locked out. It's like, it's just never one of these days, it's going to be simple. And unfortunately, I think that's going to be like when I die in my sleep. Like that's going to be the most simple thing that happens to me. I'm just going to end.
Starting point is 01:58:23 You know what I mean? Like, finally something happened where he didn't, it just went. It's just like that's going to be it. Fuck. Or I with you probably, they'll bring you back.
Starting point is 01:58:33 Exactly. I'll be like 98 years old. I'll like watch the Islanders win the Stanley Cup from my deathbed. And I'll be like, oh, and everything will just go perfect. And then someone's going to come rushing in and be like, Kaka! And I'm going to be on a fucking feeding tube until I'm 110. And then they're going to have some technology that like I'm going to live until
Starting point is 01:58:52 them 200, but my fucking toenails are going to be rotting and shit. It's going to be a fucking nightmare. It's just never going to be easy. What a journey. I'm wearing our Augusta shirt today, by the way, Frank. Oh, hell yeah. We always usually wear that to the same class. I knew you were going to be here, so I wore it.
Starting point is 01:59:08 That's huge. Toronto. Is Toronto? Toronto's next week, right? Is there still like a space? I think there's space on the second day in Toronto. I believe there is still room. I was talking to Justin Mancini.
Starting point is 01:59:22 He's like, do you want to get in a little earlier and experience Toronto, Daddy? I said, absolutely do I want to get there early. So I'm going to get there like around 4 o'clock. I've never been to Toronto. So I want to have. I've been to try. We used to go there for hockey all the time. Yeah, I'm excited.
Starting point is 01:59:36 I want recommendations, send them my way. Don't ask me to play. We're not playing any golf. So don't send me. I love everyone up there, but like I can't play golf that week. We have the bar so classic. But if you're going to send me a recommendation, I want it for be like a bar or a restaurant or one of those things. I love Canada.
Starting point is 01:59:52 Canada is excellent. A huge Canada guy. We might be doing a travel series in Canada next year just for everybody out there. We might try to go to the Calgary Stampede and maybe hit the Banff area. So if anybody's got any connections for us on that front, we're trying to put together a little trip. But I love Canada. I can't wait to get up there.
Starting point is 02:00:08 I'm going straight from here. I'm really excited. Actually, I'm going to Pioneer's for 10 days. I'm going to just kind of chill out. I got a couple buddies coming down. So I'll be playing some golf. So I will not be getting to Toronto early because I'm going to be hanging,
Starting point is 02:00:19 playing a little bit of G in North Carolina with my fellas. So I'm excited to get down there and just relax. It's been a few months on the road. How would you feel if someone stayed at the Riggs cottage and had to drill the dead bolt lock off and have to get a new one? Honestly, well, it's different for Josh because his place isn't like a rental. You kind of expect when your place is a rental that shit's just going to happen.
Starting point is 02:00:44 I think when you just give it to like a trusted buddy like you, you probably don't expect that you're going to have to like drill and redo the law. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to have to do it. But he's not, the issue would be if you made him deal with it, but you're just going to hopefully just deal with it and then hopefully he doesn't have to really worry about. I hope he doesn't have to deal with it. with it, but at some point he might have to like make a phone call and be like, we need to get this locked to this house.
Starting point is 02:01:09 Yeah, it's not. I don't have like the smash bay directory. I know we took like on the front door, my brother pulled one of the most heroic moves of all time. He's a handy person. I'm not. And, you know, ski shooting the whole thing. And he legit took, he like talked to his building manager because that's what he does for
Starting point is 02:01:28 a living. He's like property manager for these different apartment buildings. And he called his. property manager and they took the door that was on the house, the original door, took it off and then bought this like device that drilled holes in a certain way where we were able to then install the simply safe padlock system so that now we can just change the pass code every day basically and obviously control who can get in and who can get out. But he took it from a door handle that had probably been on there for 100 years and without us having to get a new door, literally
Starting point is 02:02:02 redrilled the whole sanded it, painted it and all that. And it was a fucking nightmare. So hopeful years is not a nightmare having to replace a pretty simple deadline. Honestly, it feels like it's going to be like a night. Like the guy was here and he's like, I got to go. He was like he had the word lock, Mr. Locke or whatever. And he's like, I can't. I have nothing.
Starting point is 02:02:26 He's like, I don't have a solution. And he left. He's gone. I think ultimately it's going to be fine. you're in it right now you're just in it but I don't know we'll see to get this solved and then you're just on vacation you're hanging for a couple days yeah we'll see you're confident
Starting point is 02:02:44 I don't even know what that means he says all the homes are the same so we'll figure it out oh he I get what he's saying all they got to have extra locks uniform locks situation who is the people that have the uniform locks is it like it's got to be like a management company yeah that yeah exactly all right We're going to make the key master from a Matrix. Just have a billion key. We're going to make some phone calls. It is what it is.
Starting point is 02:03:07 If none of us just go knock on your neighbor's door and be like, what do I do? We have your lock, please, and you deal with it. No, just be like, what would you, you guys live here? What would you do if this happened to you? That's not bad, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm really excited to do this. But yeah, no, it's going to be a lot of fun. This is a great, great start.
Starting point is 02:03:25 Yeah, a great start. Yeah, but I think I'm going to make a video out of this. I already have very funny stuff. I mean, we tried to break in. So, I mean, I already have funny stuff. And it is what it is. We're just going to come. I'm going to just put a video out on YouTube and people are just going to watch it,
Starting point is 02:03:41 hopefully. So that's the trip. I'm excited to watch it. What a cool thing you're doing. I think it's getting, it's getting, you know, overshadowed by some negative outcomes. But what a really cool thing you're doing, Frankie. I appreciate that. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:03:54 Tell your dad, hi for us. Please. Hope you guys have a great time. Are you going to be on Thursday show? I'm going to try. Wednesday's like a bear. but I might actually be able to join in if you guys do something a little bit later in the day because we're playing at 8.30 finish and then we don't have a flight until like nine that night.
Starting point is 02:04:11 So I should be able to do like if I come back here. I should do like an hour or something before we have to make our way to San Francisco. Okay. Well then everybody will hear from you on Thursday. Yes. All right. Well, enjoy the week, everyone. Frankie play well.
Starting point is 02:04:25 Excited to hear about it. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

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