Fore Play - Wholesome Content, with Padraig Harrington

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

Padraig Harrington (01:11:17) joins the show telling Tiger stories, many golf tips, winning 3 majors in 2 years, and much more. Before Padraig, we rave about Tiger & Charlie, the Singhs, the Thomases, Annika and her 11-year-old son, and everything else great about the PNC Championship. Also we got: the World Cup Final, LIV Golf’s COO resigning, and a key breakthrough in nuclear fusion.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. A lot. His name's Frankie Borrelli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butter Nyes because he was nice to the cross the green.

Nice to be here, boys. Congratulations on all that you're doing is as mediocre as a lot of. it is. Broke 100. Yeah, now you gotta break 90. We appreciate what you guys

do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. We appreciate it. After watching you this year, I'm very much thinking about getting

so I have a fusion surgery. Skip that. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking 2999. And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000

of these yesterday. Oh my God. Take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you guys fishing with that? Um,

it's ain't a hobby. For Play, brought to you by Barstual Sports, presented as always by our very good friends at Chevrolet. We got a lot to get to. We got Patrick Harrington on this show who's awesome, who talks about everything from Tiger Woods stories to tips and lessons and all kinds of great stuff. We got Tiger Woods PNC.

We got the World Cup final. I'd like to be the first to say to Dan Rapaport and to Jake Bass. Happy Hanukkah. Thank you. I appreciate that. Happy Hanukkah. Yeah, yesterday was Hanukkah and my birthday. Yeah, it was a big day.

Wow. Happy birthday as well. Oh, man, I fucked up. I didn't, I didn't know. I would have texted you. I didn't know. So Instagram stories are something on social media about this morning. And, you know, I just thought I'd say it on the show today, a bigger platform than just a text message.

I take that to heart. Thank you. Happy belated. Thanks. Well, I think, I mean, Hanukkah is probably more spiritual and important than a birthday. And I was first one to say, happy Hanukkah. So happy Hanukkah to you, Dan. Hope you're having a great season.

We got eight days, right? What are we on day two? This is day two. Yeah. We're just getting, we're just getting fired up. leads right into Christmas, too. So it's really just a festive time. Fantastic.

Beautiful. Beautiful time of the year. It's going to be December 20th when this puppy comes out. I know we say it all time. Time flies, but it sure does. We're going to do a little program update. We got two shows this week. We got a great interview with Carson Daily coming out on Thursday.

And then we got one show next week. We're technically off. The office is closed. But we did record an interview with Aaron Wise that we're going to put out. And we'll throw out a little show for next week as well between Christmas and New Year's. But that's kind of our time off. Video wise. we do not have any time off.

We've got Barstall Classic Championship coming out, I believe, tonight, Tuesday, when folks are listening to this. And then we have the debut Thursday of a little series that's been teased for months now called Fixing Frankie. Is that right? Yeah, it's insane. That's coming out Thursday. Brendan's been working hard on it.

I've been trying to avoid looking at it because I was going to, like, have more hands on it. And I said, dude, I can't edit a video of myself like this, like something where I'm sitting in a therapy session. Like, I would cut it all out. Like, there's a lot of embarrassing. parts about him exposing, like, who I am as a person. And I'm just, I had to step away from it. So I'm really excited. I'm going into the city today to see a first cut of it.

It's crazy when you think about just like 11 months ago, I think it was we did a video with Tommy Fleetwood. And I legitimately couldn't, I could not get the ball onto the green when we were chipping. Like he was like, all right, we're going to do this video and you're going to chip this ball into the green so we can see if we can help you out. And I couldn't get it on, 25 attempts. The video went on for 20 minutes. 30 yards, 20 yards. 20 yards chip.

Like, just do it. I can't. I'm telling you, I'm looking down at this ball and I don't know how to get it up in the air. And then now, fast forward. If I do that, one of my buddies was like,

do I've been watching all your videos. You've been posting so many recently and I've been loving it. You just go on YouTube, hit next, next, next, next. And I saw you blade one. And that was in Myrtle Beach at the end of that one round. Yep.

And he's like, Frankie doesn't do that. Like, that's not. that's not something he does anymore. Like, it was shocking to see. How have we gone that? How have we gone that much of a difference in only a year?

And it's because of this fucking video. I think it's fun for the viewers because they've seen you play recently and you're obviously so much improved. And now they can see the process of how you actually got there. I was nervous about that at first because I kind of wanted it to be like Trent series where like each week you'd watch me go out and try and get better. But because of scheduling and because of production, we didn't get a chance to do that. So now it's like, hey, I already did this.

look at how it happened. So that's kind of like the difference in the series that I didn't originally have it planned out to be that way. But I think it works at like my best series on camera ever happened the week right leading up to it. Well, I'll say too. I mean, it was pretty well documented how dark of a place that you were in with your trip. I think people would be taken back there very quickly. I'm excited to watch it because it has been a dramatic shift for you. And we all laugh about your mental head games and you're going down.

you're the guy sprinting down the hill a million miles an hour and tripping over yourself and now you translate that to golf and you have gotten amazingly better at golf this year to the point where different travel series that we do every single episode of break at 90 it's like you legitimately went from a 10 or 11 handicap down to a legitimate like five handicap in a couple months it's fine i was going to ask what was your index what's the index difference i was like a 10 8 and 11 starting when i was down in um Georgia with dr brett mccave and then now most recently. I was like a 4-9, 5-1 to end the season. I think I'm a 5-1. So, yeah, crazy. That's amazing. And that's a hard, like going from a 25 to a 15 or something. I think you can

shave a decent number relatively quickly. Going from a 10 to a 5 is difference between shooting 88 and shooting 78. And that's an enormous difference out there when you add it up at the handicat system. Like, as you start to narrow in closer to zero, I feel like, it becomes really, really difficult to shave a shot or two shots. It all started with the breaking 90, honestly. I don't know what happened, but we went out and like shot four of them in a row. And I could not, I couldn't go on the other side of 80, no matter what I did. Now comes the extra hard part, which is going from 10 to 5 is super hard, going from 5 to zero is even harder.

So that's just, yeah. Well, what's good about is we only have like two or three of these things filmed. So the more that I keep going with like episodes, it's going to help me get even lower. So I still have to do a putting thing. And hopefully we're going to go and get it done with Trevor Emmelman, which will be a lot of fun. But like that's going to be the fun part of the second half of the series is like, how do we get even better now, which is insane to even think about.

I think there are some things that can really, really improve on. You guys see my putting. But yeah, it's exciting. Thursday night. I can't believe that's coming out. I feel like it's not going to come out. But we'll say. And then tonight, again, the Barstall Classic Championship,

you heard us rave on this show about how blown away we were that this thing has actually turned into the reality that it's turned into, the championship, the whole setup, the staging of it, the signage, how like pro event it felt was just stunning and amazing. And our team did such a phenomenal job. And then the inside job were our very good friend, Josh Isner, who takes us all the Pebble Beach every year. Him and his partner Mahoney won the tournament. So you get all those kind of theatrics and the drama down the stretch. And then just kind of the dry heaving us hitting closest to the pin over the water at night.

the entire experience of the Barstow Classic championship. These guys wrap up into a video that's going to kind of show you the entire presentation and take you to the whole thing tonight. So that'll be on our YouTube page as well. So videos, interviews, shit's just coming out even though it's Hanukkah and Christmas season. Yes, Dan. I got one

more. I appreciate that. Yes, one more administrative note. I've got a winner for the Black Friday Cyber Monday contest. Okay. All right. Yeah, just going to go ahead and say the guy's name, David Hamill from Duxbury, Massachusetts. You have won the contest. Wow.

You and a friend of yours, of your choosing, come up here to New York when it gets warm. I recommend waiting until, like, September. That's when the golf course is kind of perfect, but obviously we'll make it work with schedules. We're going to play golf. We're going to give the full Quaker experience. We're going to drink. We're going to have caddies. It's going to be a hell of a day.

You and a buddy. So congratulations on winning the contest. Congratulations. Congrats. Hell of a hell of a. David Hamle. He's playing at that. David Hamill.

Golf Club. David Hamel. Yeah, Frankie's never been there, I don't think. No, no, not. Not, Paris. Never like an official appearance. No, yeah, never an official period of period. We essentially snuck on and like, I did something illegal.

I don't believe that you guys were there. It's what I used to do at the Eisenhower Blue Course. I used to hop the fence behind the baseball field my dad and we would take all the golf club, the balls from the fucking. He's got on to my golf course. That's like, yeah. My. No, no, no. Maybe it was like Quaker Hill.

I think there's one. I know. Well, that's very exciting. Before we get into anything, I wanted to start the show with some, this isn't breaking news, but it is breaking news in the sense that we haven't talked about it. From Bolt to Blazer, Equinox to Silverado, Chevy EVs are for everyone everywhere. You're going to hear on this show, we talk about energy. We talk about the future.

EVs are the future. We're running out of gas. When are we running out of gas? I think it's 47 years from today. 47 years from today, out of gas. Planet Earth out. Gone. Fossil fuel, the whole deal. Gone. So, EVs are going to be the future.

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Now you can buy the Bolt EV and the Bolt EUV. You can reserve now the Blazer EV and the Silverado EV. Chevy does it. phenomenally. I saw a blazer in in real life this weekend and I was walking across the street and it was a red one. It took my breath away. It really did. It took me a second to be like, what car is that? It was coming up and I said, stopped right in front of me. I was in like a little village where the restaurant was across the street. And I kind of like side-eyed this fucking thing. Like it was like a like a chick walking down the street or something. I'm looking at it. Like, what is that? Red dress. We needed help

red dress. I'm looking at it like, I'm looking at this car. And I was like, and then the shabye, heavy hit me. I was like, wow. I actually waited for it to drive by and I looked to see which one it was. It was the blazer. With an established full line brand like Chevrolet, we can offer multiple EV vehicles with the value in the variety and the value customers all over the world have come to expect Chevy EVs for everyone everywhere. Did you guys see what happened in the nuclear fusion world on December 13th? You haven't. See, that's stunning to me because this is like this was a monster day for humanity and no one knows about it. So I'm going, this came across my desk on December 13th.

Wendell Pierce tweeted this out and it's got a hundred. A delay to be talking about it. Well, you know, I actually, I had it on my list and we just got into too many interviews recently and I just didn't have a chance. I didn't have the platform. Is that the, is that the Wendell Pierce from the wire? Actor? Yeah.

Okay. Great actor. Yeah. William Pierce. Bunkmoreland, there he is. Nuclear fission guy too. So basically, he was just the person talking about, but there's videos. So basically they had this press conference. They, I guess scientists, big fusion had this press conference saying that.

So this is the feed. This is what came across my death. Remember this day, nuclear fusion breakthrough. We have harnessed the power to create nuclear fusion with lasers eliminating the need for fossil fuels and without any radioact. waste. This breakthrough creates unlimited, clean, renewable energy. Now the battle begins, the oil companies will fight to keep the billion dollar profit, blah, blah, blah, blah. They went on and on and on. Essentially, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has harnessed the power of the sun. This is one of the greatest scientific discoveries of our age. Hopefully the media will give it the attention to

deserve. So I did more digging into this. Essentially, it's the first time they've ever gotten more energy out of this test than they had put in. So they put in the amount of energy. They're able to recreate the amount of energy that the sun and stars give off and they've never gotten it back. So let's say it's like 2.3, whatever the metric is that they put in. They got 2.8 back. And it was like a everyone kind of staff back. Two point three. I have no fucking energy. Just whatever the number is. I don't know. I have no idea. But essentially it came back. So now they're saying, holy fuck. Like, We can build off of this. I wish I had like what it was. Every single fucking article you click on, they want you to subscribe.

It's insane. You can't just click on an article anymore and read it. Don't get lost to details though. You got to think like a star destroyer in Star Wars. This is like you got to have this kind of power to be flying one of those puppies around. That's kind of what I'm thinking. You can't just be, can't be putting fucking gas into that thing and hoping you're going to get across the universe.

Right. That's what I was going to say. Is it essentially like you, you they had they put five gallons of gas in this thing and then it came back with eight gallons of gas in correct i saw avatar last night there are some ships there that could probably use use some of this interesting how was avatar it was good i fell asleep for like a solid hour um it was three hours it was that common for you it's three hours and 20 minutes and it was my birthday so you know it was a little banged up and i said to myself like listen i'm i'm just gonna i'm gonna

I'm going to fall asleep during this movie because I can't stay awake for three hours and 20 minutes. And I fell asleep, woke up for the end and it was great. You're there for the visual. The visuals were great. But yes, Frankie, it feels like we're closer to a place where visiting a place like Pandora could be possible after this.

I was asleep during a movie before. Is it first like a, in the theater? I mean, I've done that before for sure. Yeah, I definitely. I've done that before.

I actually, did somebody say megajoules before? No. Oh, that's what it was. I thought someone like was making, fun of it and said, is it mega Jules? Did no one say that?

Somebody said a gazillion or something? I said, Cajols. All right. Well, it's called mega jewels. J-O-U-L-E-S. Is that what you? MJs? So we put 2.05 M-Js in and got 3.15

M-Js out. They're calling it the most impressive scientific, the most impressive scientific feat in the 21st century. I think when it comes to falling asleep in movies, I'm pitching a perfect game. I've never fallen asleep in a movie.

I thought it was three hours and 20 minutes. Right. That's certainly the biggest hill you've ever had to climb in terms of the movie. But I've never sat. Titanic was pretty long, right? It was Titanic two and a half. Yeah, it's James Cameron. He loves it.

He loves it. He takes time. But you know, the boobies, they keep you awake. But outside of, I, I don't think I've ever come close to falling asleep in a movie. Maybe. I don't know, though. Certainly not for an hour. Yeah, no, I was out for a while.

But it's cool. We're putting on the 3D glasses like that's not really a thing anymore. so that was kind of fun. You didn't lose like track of that storyline. You didn't, you were just, you woke up and were, were you being like, were you annoyingly inquisitive when you woke up of like, yo, yo, yeah. So like what's what I miss here? That would be. Well, I don't know if you guys saw the first avatar, but, you know, it's not exactly the departed, you know, with.

There's not a lot going on, right? It's just kind of good versus evil. Like Pocahontas, right? Exactly. So I woke up and I turned down. I was like, did I miss anything? She's like, no. So it's just good versus evil.

It's really just. There's some good guys and the bad guys, and they're fighting each other. Ken Jack said it was like the most impressive thing he's ever seen in film. Like the actual viewing experience is definitely different. Did you watch it in Nimex 3D? Yeah, we watched it 9X 3D, the one in Union Square. It was crisp as hell. It was, yeah, it delivered on what I wanted it to deliver on, which was like multiple times during the movie.

I was like, holy shit. Delivered a nap, which is not the greatest. That's the first review of that movie. that I've seen where the person fell asleep. Tell me the truth, guys. You guys aren't too hyped up about the Holy Grail of fusion. Well, all right. I want to ask this, though, what does it mean?

And two, what's the timetable on it actually being put into use? Well, the energy that came out of it is only enough to boil 15 kettles of water right now. Like, it's like, they essentially, they haven't figured out how to, like, mass produce it. You have to, now that they've proven that it works, regardless of how much energy, was used to put in to get out. It's the first time it's ever worked, ever in the history of mankind that we've put this much heat in nuclear fusion towards something and then gotten more heat and whatever, more, not heat, but more power back. So now the question is, now the question is how do you, but see, Riggs, you're like talking down on this thing.

Why you don't like, you don't think this is cool? I'll say, my. It's like, it's step one. It's literally step one of like maybe in a hundred years, I can be like, holy shit, remember that experiment? Like when we were, just like when the phone came out. It was literally tough for me to contextualize how important it. I don't like it's, they got, they got seven kettles of water is what they got. I mean, that's not. They got power. They got power. They literally created power. They literally created oil. They didn't need fucking natural gas and all this. They literally just created power more power than they put into it. It's first time ever in the history of mankind. My gut says that this is something my grandkids is grandkids are going to enjoy. Yeah. I'm sure when they mass produced the ability to be able to. to shoot out all this power to cities and homes and all that stuff. Sure, but this is where it started.

Just like when Alexander Graham Bell, whoever the fuck made the phone, like, you literally called the person in the room next to him. Like, that was, holy shit, this guy's talking through a wire to the guy over here in the next room. How's that happening? And like, now I'm on my cell phone looking at fucking fat titties. But like at the end of the day, like, you needed that to happen. So like, that's, he was getting fucking dragged through the street that people were put where they were putting flowers around his neck. We got to be doing this for these people. I do feel like we're closer now to winning the energy race where, you know, we're going to have a source that we, that is abundant and available faster than we run out of energy. So I, and it's happening in America, by the way.

So yeah, this is this is the race. That's great. It is interesting. There was megajules. They're going to, we're going to put a bunch of megajoules in our car and we're going to be clean. Probably me a wholease or some stupid shit. Um, I'm probably saying it wrong. It is funny.

Growing up, I remember like a real concern of mine as a child. child was that we were going to run out of gas, that we were going to run out of fossil fuels. Well, we are. No, I know we are. There are 47 years left. I looked it up last night. 47 years left of gas. That's insane.

Yeah, you'd hope it'd be more. There's literally just a, there's literally a cap. It's just like, this is all we have left. Because you can't wait the hundreds of millions of years for all these fossils to die and create more. I get me to 75. I think I would be fine with that. But that's a problem.

You know what I mean? Find a source like you're talking about, Frankie, which is it sounds like this is what it is, then that, it doesn't matter. Then you just have clean energy for everything. But again, that seems like it's a couple hundred years. It's like, this experiment's $3 billion and it only like barely produces enough. Yeah. But that's how insanely hard it is.

Like a quarterly thing that they got to meet. Yeah, probably. I'm sure. We just got a fucking budget put on us. No, that's, I mean, it's interesting. Again, you said it came out December 13th. It's December 19th when we're recording this. And it is crazy how news works that I had no sort of idea what you were talking about.

There is this crazy, like, scientific, like part of Twitter that you really have to dig deep in. And then once you're there, these tweets have outrageous interaction numbers. Like that tweet had 160,000 likes and like no one came across it here. 160,000. Yeah, that is. That's part of like, I feel like what Elon's been trying to say, which is that he wants to get Twitter to a point where you don't just see stuff that you always see. where you can see stuff like that. Like that should have come across my desk.

Elon, Elon didn't like tweet about it, I don't think. So that fucking guy, because he's dealing with his own energy shit. Riggs, I have a question for you. True, he does. Yeah,

Riggs, I got a question for you. Who was your coach when you played for TI? Does Kaspaslus or Brezlin ring a bell? No. Okay. I just had to ask this, because this four play tracker guy on Twitter has asked this question.

27,000 times. He's a problem. And Alex Bush and I have been DMing it to his every time he asked for like he just he asked it again. So I just want to get that on record that. Capacilus and Reslin were not your coach at TI. Nope.

I don't remember my coach's name to be asked me. Moving on. 20 years ago. He's a four play tracker. He's a nice guy. I had to mute him for a little bit. He's been putting Frankie time out just because it's too much. And he's not affiliated with four play.

And I feel like a lot of people think he might be. He tweets under every single tweet we put out. And it's just a lot. lot of just like I want to run the society and it's just nonstop. It's like nonstop, nonstop tweets and DMs. I'm just like, I'm just going to choose to not see this for a little bit. I'll take them out for sure. I'll take them out of mute the mute in the mutosphere. He's in time out a little bit. He's in time out. It's just so when you abuse your power, it's you got to be put into the corner a little bit. You know what I mean? I, um,

I, um, I saved a dog's life this weekend. I don't know if you guys. You did. Yes. It was, I mean, I'm a hero. I don't want, I don't, I wasn't going to publicize it, but I figured I'll, I'll bring it up for talking about our weekends. So what happened? So what did you offer or did the person ask? What happened? So the elevator in my building has been on the fritz for like a week.

It's been going. It's been working and then it has been working. I get a lot of emails and texts from the building people being like, we're really sorry that it's not working and then we'll get an email like a day later. It's working and then I'll go try to like check my mail and it won't be working. So it's on and off. So I think it was Friday. I was walking down.

I'd ordered Uber Eats. And then I have to slug all the way down the stairs to go get it. Because I'm not going to make the guy take the stairs. That's just not what I want to do. So I was walking down there. And when I got to the first floor, I saw my neighbor. And she was on the phone. And she's got this dog, Miley, who's a golden retriever.

She was on the phone. I could tell that because when the elevator doesn't work, it's got, like, this thing that just says, like, out of service on the bar where you usually see the number. So I could see that I wasn't working. and she was on the phone and I was standing there kind of waiting for the food to get there. And she got off the phone and she was like, could you help me carry my dog up to the third floor? Because the dog is old and has bad hips. And usually her boyfriend is there, but her boyfriend wasn't at home.

So he couldn't do it when the elevator breaks. So I was like, she was like, can you, she's like, I can do it. I can try, but I'm afraid I'm going. Boyfriend wasn't around. Can you carry my dog into my apartment real quick? No, no, no. No, it wasn't like that. But it was...

Then I need some... You're going to clear pool. You're going to clean out. Oil these things up. I almost... I hesitated to bring that part up because I knew it would go this way. But it's not that. I didn't order sausage.

It's not that. She said, I, she was like, I could do it, but I'm afraid I'm going to drop the dog. So then what am... And then it's on me, what am I going to say? Like, no, I got to get, I got away from my jersey. Mike's, good luck. I'll hauling the dog up to the third floor. And I was, I will say, after she asked me, I was more than confident that I could do it.

But I was because I was like, yeah, I can definitely do it. No problem. And then when I picked the dog up, I was like, we could be in a little bit of trouble here. But I powered through the dog, dog 75 pounds. Dog was super chill, super nice, didn't care that a complete stranger was picking her up. And I carried the dog up to the third floor, which is essentially like four flights of stairs. I was dying, dying. Yeah.

But I put on a, I want to put on a brain face for the dog. And did you put the dog down like the second he got to the top step? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I made sure to do it gently because of the hips, but I, yeah, I mean, I was. And you went across the chest, right? I texted you and asked you what your, what was your strategy? You didn't go like a baby, right?

Like over the shoulder? No, I just, I basically went under the dog's body and just lifted him and lifted her up. Like it's a, like she was just a package. Yeah. And the dog was like, all right, well, let's do it. Let's go up these stairs. And that was, you know, and, you know, I tweeted this. And it's a little bit of sarcasm, but it's also true.

why do things like that if you don't get public praise for them? So I wrote a whole tweet about it and I was I was honest about how I was looking for social points. And I got about 12,000 of them on Twitter. Yeah. And then at the end of the day, the person, was that like the person's son that tweeted at you? You actually got to see the dog on Twitter. Oh, it was.

Yeah. The guy who owns the dog's brother tweeted a picture at me being like, this is Miley. she's got bad hips. So the boyfriend's brother? Yes, the boyfriend's brother. Did you have to go back down and then get your jersey mic still? I did, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So you did those stairs twice. I did them a few times. Three times. Three times. Thrice. Yeah. And then I, somebody tweeted me.

It was very funny. I can't remember the exact wording. But then they were like the harrowing act of a man who will now go on his 50 hour of silence. hours of styles, which actually turned out to be true. I went back in my apartment and this podcast was once again the first time that I've had human interaction this weekend. How old was the female, the human? I don't know her exact age. Was it like an older, like a 60 year old woman or was it a no? Okay. Like roughly same age is 30 like 25 30? I let's keep the focus on. I'm just asking quite, we need all the details because I don't need those details. I envisioned this as a

as like an old lady with gray hair. She had a, she had a cane and a walker. Then when I heard, the boyfriend wasn't home. And I'm thinking about like what's going on in the situation. That's the most like, why don't you come in here. I'll give you a tip scenario. I've ever heard in my entire life. Oh, she's legit a porn that you name.

You know, this is this is a, you're literally you, your brain has been twisted by pornography. This is what's going on here. I, she said she was like, I am worried that if I tried to do this, that I'm going to drop the dog.

Those are the only details that you need. And I was like, all right, I'll do this for sure. Yeah, all right. And I went, took the dog up, went to got my jersey mics and didn't talk to anybody all weekend. Yeah. When she said thank you after that, would she like give you a hug? And embrace? No embrace?

Nope. Nope. I was, nope. I just turned right. Well, she definitely said thank you. She for sure said thank you. But I was like, yep. And I just turned around and I got my food.

What a moment. What a moment. for Trent. Just never, it's a real, never a dull moment on this podcast with these. We're always getting into situations. That's a situation you found yourself in.

It was. Uh, all right. Speaking of situation, PNC championship, we had Tiger Woods and Charlie Woods this week. Um, a lot of wholesome content as we pretty much go through every year now.

Tiger obviously elevated the status of this fucking thing three years ago. And now him and Charlie, you've got on ake out there. You got the Daley's, you got all the father's son, the Thomas is. It's just phenomenal to see every year. Tiger and Charlie, you can't make up that Charlie rolled his ankle and was limping just identically to Tiger Woods.

You just cannot, you couldn't fucking make that up if you tried. I didn't know if it was like inside the sign fell the episode where his leg falls asleep. And Charlie was like chirping tiger at first because I didn't have audio. I think I was looking at a TV on like Friday when they were going through their proam round or something. And I just saw Charlie limping off a T-box. And I was like, what is he doing? Is he like roasting his dad? and then find out he's rolled his ankle.

So he's doing the identical lift. Tiger after he's hitting fucking fairways out there. It's insane. Showed up with a pardon my take head cover, which was fucking unbelievable to see. Obviously, I saw people chirp it off a little bit. Obviously,

I would prefer that Tiger and Charlie Woods have four playing barstool golf gear head to toe everywhere. But regardless of that, it's insanely cool that Charlie Woods showed up with a barstool, a pardon my take head cover. Those guys are massive. They're fucking hilarious.

He's a fan of the show. I want to know that process. Like Charlie doesn't have any money. So it's like he had to use someone else's credit card or ask someone to get it for him. That is probably pretty close to. Are we allowed to look it up on like the on the store? Is there like a tiger Woods like purchase in the back end of barstolesports.com? Yeah.

I texted someone and they were like him and his friends. All his friends are just obsessed with the show. So I'm part of my take reaches everyone. They reach 12 year olds and they reach. and they reach like 60 year olds. They're like the biggest podcast on the planet. Just Charlie just say to Robbie Mac like I'm, you know, I really want part of my take head cover.

That to me is how I think, I think he, I bet you Erica handles that stuff. It would be my guess. Yeah, maybe. I was thinking he just sees it on his phone like, oh, they're selling these head covers. And then he turns it, yeah, to Erica or Robbie or Tiger and is like, oh, I would love one of these. These things are cool. And then it appears would be my guess.

Also, who knows this? I don't, I'm not hip with all like the 12 to 14 year old. way of life anymore but now in this day and age with like apple pay and all these like credit cards that you can just put in your phone like do kids just like do rich affluent children have like their parents just like apple pay just hooked up to their phone maybe Dan probably I sorry that was a joke uh I don't you tell us what I was going to say about the PNC with that mustache tell us what's going on with the 12 and the 14 year old um yeah he can't he's a you guys you guys You gotta stay 100 feet away from him.

Yeah, I don't know, actually. I can see from a distance. It was legitimately jarring, going from watching the World Cup final, which congratulations rigs on Argentina winning. Amazing. Which was just maybe the greatest sporting event of any of us that I had watched a bunch of people that is the best sporting event they'd ever seen. So you're watching these guys putting their heart and soul out there and the drama's out of control.

And then I switched the golf channel and literally everyone's limping. No one could fucking walk. It wasn't just Tiger. It wasn't just Charlie. John Daly couldn't move. David Duval was like tiptoeing around the place. JT was fucking limping. I turned on the TV and everyone's like,

why do you like this sport? This is like the lamest thing. They could. No one could walk. There weren't enough tweets about, like I was looking online. The second that Charlie was really limping when he was coming out of the car, I was looking to see if people were like making connections between his dad.

And there weren't enough tweets about it. And I almost thought people thought it was like insensitive to talk about how he's limping like his dad. I mean, I thought it was the cutest damn thing. I've ever seen in my entire life. The fact that his dad legitimately will have a limp for like the rest of his life. And then Tiger, I mean, and then Charlie's now walking side by side. I'm in a red shirt limping as as much as his dad. That is the most cartoon character thing I've ever seen in my entire

life. And no one was really talking about it. I just think everyone, I include myself in this category, is a little hesitant to tweet about the health of a 13 year old. Like, and then and then it's like, oh, he's limping like his dad. And then, oh, why is his dad limping? Oh, it's because of a car crash. And And then it was, it just, there was a lot of speculation, not speculation, but a lot of talk surrounding this tournament in particular leading up to it about how much do we all really want to talk about Charlie Woods? How many, how big of expectation do we want to put on him? How much do we want to compare him to his dad? And I just, I think a lot of people just didn't want to, just didn't want to go down that road because you can control what you tweet, but the people under it, who knows what they're going to say. Right. Yep. I agree. It sucks, but it's, it's, it's, it's probably the most. most sensitive weekend for us because like I can tweet whatever about fucking tiger woods or j t or sergey or so you could whenever but when it comes to tiger and charlie and i feel like now charlie's at that age where he's sort of in between like the last couple years he was like

a cute kid and it was very clear that he was like a cute kid now he's sort of like uh uh he's doing interviews turning into a person interviews and like ordering head covers from pardon my take which they say some shit on there so it's like he's clearly not an adult yet. He's only like 13 years old. When he's just a cute kid, everybody understands that. So you just kind of got to stay away from it. Make sure you don't say anything. It's going to get you in trouble. I feel like is what a lot of people were doing. But it was, I agree with you, Frank. It was like, it was like adorable. He was out there limping around as well. Like rolled his ankle. He's probably going after a little too hard on the range or whatever because he's young and trying to rip through the ball and hit it a mile, which he did hit it a mile. I thought, Dan, your point of like going from the World Cup final and then like at the Barcelona, bar. Then it was like fucking Falcon Saints were on or something. And everyone's like, who like get out of here with the intensity that we just had with that World Cup final. Soccer doesn't always bring the heat. Sometimes it can be a boring, grueling one-nothing game. That was just the most that's ever brought the heat. Yeah. Frankie, did it break through for you? Like, did it? Soccer matter for you? Yeah. I mean, it's one of the greatest sporting events of all time. There's no denying it. I mean, there was a chance every single time they crossed. They call it half half. What do you call it? Halfway line. Like when they got to the other team's box.

What do you call it though? It's not like the red line. Is it half field? Half field cross half line. Center line. I don't know. I mean, every time they came in on an attack,

there was a chance to score. There were saves insane saves on both ends. Argentinean goalie was out of control. But then also like Messi had that one fucking rip of a shot at the top of that goalie's fucking head on the French goalie's head. So yeah, it was an incredible game. I hate that it ends in fucking penalty kick.

I know that that that soccer douchebag Alexei. What's his name? Lawless. Lawless was like, and if you think this is a coin toss, you are, you are massively mistaken. There is skill. There is strategy. It's mono imano. I'm like, shut the fuck up, Alexi.

I want to see the golden goal. I want to see a guy running around and he scores. The place goes insane. Then it's over. I don't want it to be penalty. It's got to be Lawless's last World Cup. He's tough. He's tough to hand.

No, dude. He's kind of the crazy. Yeah, he is. He the reason why he sticks around is because he makes guys like Frankie crazy. He does, man. When he came on that screen was like, it's no coin toss. Like, shut the fuck up, dude. Soccer's never going to be cool in America.

Just deal with it. Yeah. Like I, listen, I have said on this podcast that once America gets eliminated, I'm pretty much out on the World Cup. But I did watch the final yesterday just because. And it was incredible to the point where you almost set the watermark too high for an American like me. where it's like, now I want every game to be like that. And as soon as the games aren't like that, I'm flipping over to something else.

So it was an amazing game. Like anybody who, it's an undeniably amazing game. Is it ever going to be that watershed moment for America where we just accept this sport with open arms, bring it close to our bosom and start watching it on a regular basis? No, that's just, if it was going to happen to what happened already. But yesterday's game was undeniably great. You need two titans of the sport to go out. it on the biggest stage.

You couldn't have asked for a better storyline than what the World Cup got yesterday. And I still, I agree with you, Trent. I don't think it's going to take off. It's not, I mean, the problem is we have to wait four years for it. And yes, it's going to be huge in America. But it's always just going to be every four years. It's going to be big. It's going to drum up a lot of drama and everyone's going to be talking about it.

And then it's just going to go away, especially after these next four years are extremely important for soccer, I would assume, in America, because they have to somehow build off this and then lead up to. the next four you might get some young kids that are fucking obsessed with it now because of this yeah no i agree it's a bummer that we it's a bummer that we it's a bummer that the u s team went out the way we did where it really wasn't that exciting it was like we were down pretty quickly we were down a couple we got that one goal to make it within one but then they scored right away so like even if you if we would have lost in a game like yesterday's game think that would have done a lot for the us hecker of like

holy fuck we're like right there it was chaos it was back and forth you cannot dream that up i know of those guys, your favorite, Lollas and all that crew, they were calling it the greatest World Cup final of all time. Clearly not on this show. Dan's pretty into it, but none of us are that well versus soccer at all. So I don't know that we're in a place to be able to claim that that's the best. I don't know how you can really beat that. I do agree, like the PKs and the final seem a little bit ridiculous. I did like somebody's idea from a couple weeks ago, like making it six on six and all of a sudden like four on four or something to see what happens. But man, the back and forth that save in the 123th minute by the Argentine.

I was watching that over and over yesterday. And even like there was, it might have been in Boppa, or somebody was wide open as well on like the back door. If he just gives a little through ball, I don't, I can't stand soccer. I'll never be able to understand a couple things they do. One is on a play like that when he didn't get the ball back door, he just immediately goes like this and starts being like,

sure, but like, I can't believe he didn't pass it to me like while the play is still going on. And then the other is that it's just acceptable. that they just lie on the ground forever. I get that like I get people bitch about them diving. And the diving even makes sense to me to a certain point because they get calls in the box all the time. And a P.K will change the course of fucking soccer history. So the diving sucks.

It's annoying, but I get it to a degree. I don't get this belief that they have to have that like they, when they do dive, they then lie there for 30, 60, 90 seconds. Like they're never going to be able to walk again. And then they're just fine. They're just 100% totally fine. And it's like nothing happened. Dude, I get it. Did you see that rub down that Mbapé got when he went down?

I'd go down all the time if they were going to if they were going to rub my thighs like that. I mean, come on. That was that was one of the best massages I've ever seen. That was a graphic rundown. I felt like rubbed down for in the World Cup finals is amazing with that. Mbapap. Him and him and Messi, right, the storylines him and Messi being teammates at PSG. And then here they are where France is looking to go back to back.

I don't think any bar on the planet outside of in France was rooting for France. For whatever reason, the world, just negative connotations towards the French. They can be assholes. They're uptight. They're stuck up, whatever you want to call them. They won last time, exactly. So they're going for back to back, which I think is like never happened before. Somebody's defended a World Cup.

Usually they never even get out of the-60 years. Yeah. Yeah, usually they never even get out of the group stage. Here they are looking to go back-to-back. And then you got Messi, who's arguably the greatest player of all fucking. time up there. The only thing not on his mantle, basically, is a World Cup final. Argentina is a powerhouse.

That's all they want to do is win the World Cup. It's been forever Maritona and the fucking comparisons. And him scoring two goals and an assist. And then Mbapé with the hat trick. And then both of them scoring their PKs. It was like just everything you could possibly fucking imagine. It was awesome. I don't know that you can have much better sporting event than that.

The only thing, a few of our Super Bowls that we've seen in our lifetime that were, you know, like the Brady comeback and some of the handful of them that came down to the wire. But in terms of like country versus country, it's not like even in the Super Bowl, it's like those are all, you know, like they all pretty much American guys at the end that are like going to play for the same team here. And it's like country versus country. It's fucking France, which like people in France and the French will almost never really interact with the Argentines and South America. Here they are. Their country's going against each other. It's fucking awesome. It's just awesome.

And I think the ones every four year nature, like if there was only one Super Bowl every four years or one Masters every four years. But yeah, just to back up your point, it was funny with the guys lie on the ground. You could tell like when they actually want to get up how much they're diving. There was a foul with like a minute to go in the game. And this guy, Kingsley-Comond on France, gets taken out like hard foul. The kind of foul that in normal circumstances,

he would be on the ground for 90 seconds. but there was 30 seconds left in the World Cup final, so he just popped up and he immediately started running. It's like, yep, and it's very strategic. They do it, right? Like,

if their team's getting fucking, if their team's up against it like Argentina was in the last 10 minutes and you get fouled, you lay down there for fucking five minutes and slow this shit down. But that, France is buzzing. It looked like if that game went another five minutes, they're going to win for sure.

So, of course, like you said, he just got slaughtered. They're going to have to amputate his leg. He pops up in two seconds. And then you get somebody else. They get like a simple shoulder to shoulder. That no human being on.

earth would be injured from and they lie there for fucking 10 minutes so that part i think to americans too people that don't watch soccer a ton that's always going to be hard to get over because we're used to fucking football and hockey tough and football tough and all this shit um but it was great it delivered as much as you could possibly deliver it i got argentina the second the brazil went down at plus 360 they ended up winning the whole thing two of their last three games were in pk's so it's like it shows you how hard it is to actually fucking get a win and then the every four years thing is i mean you got Massey, who's the player of the tournament, and he already said, this will be his last World Cup.

And so it's like, how are you the best player of the tournament? And you're like, yeah, the next World Cup that comes around, I won't be able to play in it. So it's just, it's crazy. It's fucking awesome. You got to live somewhere, folks. You just have to. That's just the way that it works. Facts.

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$200 million a year with this Saudi deal. And Messi is, you know, he's not an ugly fellow, but he's, he's certainly no Ronaldo. So that was a win for, you know, the not model looking people of the world. You ever see Ronaldo's underwear? Like, uh, yeah. He's got a 10 pack. Yeah, of course. He, um, I agree with me at Messi 2 is like 5, 5.5 basically. He had to have growth hormones to even be able to like play the game of soccer. I agree with you. He's, yeah,

he's fucking great. You could see in the, in the, in the celebration, all that, which guitar brought the thunder when it came to that whole deal afterwards, when they brought the World Cup out,

that whole presentation. I watched it again last night. That was like, as theatrical of anything I've ever seen. It felt like they were crowning the new like hunger games, like World Theater. Yeah.

It was fucking wild. I was like, holy shit. The fireworks going off. And it was wild. I always think the World Cup should be bigger as a, as a trophy. And I know,

like, yeah, no, no, Yeah, just I, it's cool. It's like, is it pure gold? I would imagine. It's just, who knows?

But it's just so tiny. It kind of doesn't look, doesn't match the magnitude of the tournament in my opinion. I agree. Just make it twice the size. Same thing. Just like twice the size. Yeah. Because it's always better if you can drink out of it.

But if it's, if not, just a little bigger would be good. And it doesn't do it for me. It's vain. It's vaney. It's vascular. Extremely vainy. We got, we got some, we got some, We got some horny guys on the show today.

That's just a fact. You carry, you were in the middle of a porn sequence and the World Cup championship trophy looks like a vainy cock. That thing's getting put somewhere. For sure. There was some big golf news. I don't know if you guys saw this, but the C-O-O of Live stepped down, which is actually, I think, kind of a big, kind of big news.

I saw, I saw the one line. I was reading a quick article about it before the show. I didn't really see it until this morning. But one line was that like the, the, who was it, Atul? Atul Coastal. So they call this guy A.K. So every time I was sort of like viewed as like the voice of reason is I think the line that I read.

Yeah. So he was like the business mind. So when I would go to live and I would say like, who could I talk to about the business? Because like, ostensibly there is a business plan here. They'd be like, oh, AK's your guy. AK's your guy. He was, he was the C.O of the Chicago Fire soccer team. then he went to be an executive for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

He was like chief corporate development. You know, just one of these guys who's been in sports business for a long time. I want to say definitely under 45, right? Like a young guy. And just this 43. Okay. So yeah, just like a smart, passionate guy. And I remember, I went to him.

I was like, so are you guys like trying to make money here? And he laughed. He's like, dude, I've worked in sports business for a really long time. Like I'm not here to like lose money on a business. I know that we can sell this thing. he was the one who was who was telling me how important the franchises is and how it will resonate with American sports fans because they're used to rooting for teams and this thing is all going to work. And oh, I said to him, why are there no logos here? Why are there, why don't I not see a single

corporate logo except for live? And he'd say, this is our beta year. We got to show them the product. Once they see the product, I was reading a little thing from Sean Zock from golf.com. He had interviewed him and a tool was saying, look, I'm going to sell this thing. I'm going to sell this thing. I'm going to say. And now he's gone. And so now he's gone. And so now they've lost Sean Bratchez, who was, this guy resigned in May. He was the chief corporate officer, I think. He used to work for ESPN for a long time. So another voice of reason, he's gone.

He resigned after Norman said the Khashoggi, like, we all make mistakes. The Brash is like, that's one too far for me. Now you got this guy, AK is gone. And there were reports a couple weeks ago that Norman, you know, they might be trying to push aside Norman. So, you know, you don't want to read between the lines too much. But just objectively speaking, that kind of turnover in one year at the very, very high level is definitely noteworthy. What does the corporate flowchart at Live look like? A tool reports to Norman.

And I believe that Norman reports to this guy, Majed, Majed is the one who, remember, he's the one who said, I'll make my own majors if they don't like us. Yeah. Yeah. So he runs, he's the CEO of Gulf Saudi, which is like the government organization. He is in MBS's circle. it's like MBS, Mijed and this guy, Yasser, but Yasser, Yasser runs the Piff, which is the money. It's all very sort of like, you know, they all kind of do everything the same, but there's like, the way I conceptualize it is, there's, there's MBS up here.

Then you've got Mijed and Yasser here, then Norman. And then you have these like, a tool and Bratchez guy who are both gone. Gotcha. Interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. I, you know, we've talked about a lot, but it is, you know, we talked about once you get to the top and that's why that chart's important of like it's bad but you don't have to go that far below

that to find people that genuinely wanted to create and want to create a good viable business and brought totally and a lot of that stuff when you explain that to us which you got from him who's now resigned made a lot of sense of like no no they're like they're committed and locked into the idea of the franchises and the teams and like you know when when phil tries to recruit guys to his team phil has equity in the team that he's on and they're trying to make that. So that actually, I thought, oh,

that is really fucking smart. And I agree with the idea of like, don't sell the shit out of it right away. Let's like, you know, present a good appealing product that's not completely dominated and drowned out with ads right away. And then if people watching are interested in it,

we'll get the advertisements going forward. But none of that really matters at this point because he's fucking gone. So it'll be interested to see. Did I see. Did I see. Dan, did you tweet this morning that they're going to be on TV? That was,

that was, No, they're not. That was a, yeah, not yet. The, the rumors are still Fox. But again, it's December 19th. And nothing, still nothing's happened. There's still no TV deal. There's still not a single corporate sponsorship, which again, maybe that's all part of the plan and, you know, could be tomorrow that they announce all this stuff. But it just seems like they're having a really hard time selling this thing, which probably, you know, could have been predicted. But, you know, the stuff that makes sense of to show. Yeah, the stuff that makes sense in a board room within a McKinsey boardroom, you know, and that doesn't. always make sense in the real world and people don't always react the way that you think they're going to. So it'll be interesting to see who they replace him with. He's definitely signed a really serious NDA. So I don't think we're going to get any any sort of, you know, insight as to why he left. I would. I would be curious if they, if they do end up getting a TV deal, whether that's them paying a network or a network paying them, whatever, I would be very curious to see what the numbers would be. And especially interested to see what those numbers would be up against lower level PGA tour events.

Like that, that's the interesting stuff. Like we can go back and forth about whether or not they're going to get one, whether or not they should have one, whatever. But if they do end up getting put on American television, the numbers will be very, very interesting. So in a way, I hope that happens because I just want to see what the numbers are. Because we've seen them what they are on YouTube. But, you know, there's a disconnect with certain generations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if it's on TV and they're like, we're here. we are. This is the channel. This is when we're going to be on. Then I would be curious to see what

the numbers are. I wonder how TV programming works. Like you can just like, like you're saying, it's already December. Aren't there things scheduled for like the days that they want? You think so with Fox too. Right. You can't just bounce things like that from like Friday to Sunday. It's insane. Unless you can. I don't know. You'd have to pay, I guess, like a shit ton of money to whatever program was already scheduled for like those slots. I mean like all daytime on Fox. Why don't they just go? They should go to like a non-traditional sports. Like we just don't even, it doesn't have to be a sports thing.

Just go to like Cartoon Network and be like, hey, we want to put on, we got a golf events we want to put on. We want to buy space during your, during your schedule. Can we do that? Because I'm still. TV and slang. All business beats out there running the golf broadcast. Yeah. I don't know.

And then last thing I wanted to say before we throw it to Padrick Harrington is I thought Tiger Woods golf game. look pretty fucking good to be honest we're swinging it pretty fast uh it's all he got ball speed up in like the one 80s at one point or a couple different points so um we've done a lot in the last few months of like we just need to get this guy a golf cart we need to get this guy a golf cart seeing him actually out there playing pretty fucking well with the golf cart made me even more infuriated that he just can't walk he was incredible he didn't just look great he was incredible he out drove jt his first like he out drove jt his first like eight holes that he had a job at he said after the round he goes he 100% hits it further than me with driver right now.

JT finished 14th and driving distance on the PJ tour last year. Dude, his rhythm was insane. His tempo was outrageous, his putting. Their reeds were kind of weird. Him and Charlie, like, just couldn't read some putts. Yesterday was wild. That was strange. Like, Charlie would put like a foot left and completely miss.

And then Tiger would do the same thing. I was like, it was driving me insane. I saw that too. And I was like, what are they doing? Like, clearly you just saw the read and it didn't go that way and he just trusted it. I've got a new idea for Tiger, though, crutches. we've talked about that makes your like arms all fucking weird and shit what do you really he doesn't want anything that makes him stand out i know he needs he needs like he needs

these people that are working on nuclear fusion to like work on like a robotic leg that can just like maneuver his leg as he walks you ever see the legs that like can take your brain what you're about the one where he like rolls himself and he's like bent his knee and it's like a roller i think he's out on that whole idea i think he's just just if he can't just walk like everyone else, he's out. I think it's a cane. I think get him a cane. Imagine him out there like fucking Yoda.

He walks out there. He says that thing down, rips a drive past fucking JT, and then picks up his cane and walks down the fairway. Come on. Use it as one of your clubs. Like take a club out of the bag and use the cane as one of your club. So he's within the rules of golf.

He kind of does that now. Yeah, but like an actual cane, one with like a little like a poker at the end that can dig into like the into the thick stuff. or yeah who's the guy in Jurassic Park the doctor who's got that cane he's got that sticks out he's got the bug in the end of it that led to the dinosaurs coming back dude his short game was so good there were some like 60 yard shots that he was hitting on the pin that were spinning right there he was even laughing a couple times at how good he was he was fucking club touring what was that 200 and like 25 yard four or five iron that he hit downslope in the rough with the fucking fade around the trees and it went to like 15 feet everyone's like so someone of the bruntka said that was like the great guy said that was like the great greatest shot he's hit since like 2001.

Roger Malpe, who was his last broadcast, he was sitting behind in the audio. He goes, oh, is that pretty? And Tiger had the demeanor of a guy who still wants it. Like, we can talk all about these reports and how he's playing well. And, you know, he's sitting the ball great. But if you just watch him, especially when he'll be buried a long putt, he's like, fucking right. I can still do this shit.

So with all of that, we just got to figure out a way for him to, get around. And I actually love the cane idea because it's dignified. It's not a card is like, oh, look at him. He needs all this help. A cane is just like, everyone, people use canes. That's pretty common. So yeah, we just got to figure out a way for him to get around because he can still play. And a lot of people are like, you know, he's not going to play that well in tournaments because he doesn't have Charlie playing for him. And I saw a lot of tweets being like Charlie carries. I'm like, Charlie could barely hit the golf ball. He was like hitting into the water every single T shot. He could barely walk. The kid was limping all over place. It was hard to watch at times.

Top one. I'm on top of iron at one point. I can't believe you're making this good play, but obviously he wanted to, but it was hard to why. He was in pain. And then you look at like the leaderboard and Tiger Woods tied Jordan Spieth and his father. Like, I mean, Tiger Wood did most of the legwork, no pun intended. And at the end of the day, this guy's hitting amazing golf shots. You just got to get him down from the T-box of the green 18 times for four straight days.

We have to figure that out. He can hit the shots. So if you get him there, he's going to hit the shots. We need like a task force. We need like a task force. Yeah, we do. You seen a fucking cane. Shout to the Sings, by the way.

They were a problem the second I saw them on their way down to the PNC. They took that selfie and I'm like, fucking VJ sounds like a problem. He really just looked like a problem in the second that they took that photo. And then obviously their first day, they lit it up and it was over since then. And obviously, Team Daily is a dynasty. Cass hit that yesterday at that like 250 yard four iron to like eight feet. It's like fucking A. BJ's looking long in the tooth again.

He's just, he's gotten, he's over the, over the hill at that point. not going to look young anymore. You know, he just looked super old last yesterday. They were a menacing duo from the second that the whole thing started. They were just, it felt like they were going to win. But yeah, I thought Tiger Woods looked phenomenal. Get that guy, God, damn, Kane. I think he's going to play, I think we're going to see him play the players championship.

That's what I think is going to be the first time he plays. You don't think he's playing Riviera? I don't. Interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't. I think he's going to play the players championship. Riviera is like Valentine's Day. Okay.

Yeah. Do you think he plays? plays the players as like a show of four as like a unifying event for the pj tour i think that's going to be a factor in it for sure i think too he you know i think he does view the players as like you don't just say someone has 62 pj tour wins and 15 majors you say as you know 15 majors two players championships 62 tour so or 82 tour wins so it's like i think he views it that way so i think that he thinks it's a legacy idea i think that uh Um, it's flat, right?

Florida's pretty flat. TBC sawgrass is a pretty easy walk. It's going to be warm. Whereas I think Riviera's chilly around that time of year. It's not, I guess it's not the craziest walk you've played it. I haven't, but it's not, it's not the craziest walk, right? After the first, first hole in the last hole, you go crazy and then it's down on one and up on 18 and everything in between is dead flat. I think he'll play.

I think he'll play. He's, he's trying to make that event his event, like just like, you know, the memorial is Jack's event. And Bay Hill was Arnie's event. Riviera, it's obviously it's thrown, it's put on by his foundation, but it's not quite his event yet. And I think him continuing to show up and him saying, oh, this is worth it for me to play. I think that, I think it's in his interest to do that. I think it's his event. He made some headlines the last couple times around that place.

But I think people kind of like, that's his event. But yeah, I hope he plays Riviera. It's like, event. Like there's like, there was an event that occurred at that area when he was there. I hope you're right. I hope he plays there. But yeah, I think it gave me a lot of promise because there's been a lot of the old course and him not playing well, missing the cut. And then people thinking he should retire when he walked across the spoken bridge.

And then the last several months, then he didn't look great. And he had to withdraw with the plantrophysitis. And everybody's like, oh, fuck. Seeing him out there actually striped the golf ball and hit driver farther than JT, got me right back where I was basically at the Masters last year. Who said that, Colin Montgomery about him that Tiger should have retired at the open championship? I need people to keep saying those things. We almost need industry plants to give press conferences that are like, this guy's done.

This guy is, even if like JT wants to do it tongue and cheek, it'll fire Tiger up. If he is at a press conference, it's just like someone's like, what do you think the future looks like for Tiger? And he's like washed. That guy's done.

It's never, coming back. I think that fires Tiger up. So Colin Montgomery, keep coming, man. Doug Ferguson had a reply to that tweet that only Doug Ferguson could have. And the headline was long time rival Colin Montgomery says that Tiger Wood should have retired.

And Doug Ferguson replies. He goes, long time rival is an interesting choice of words here is because unless I'm missing one, I don't think Colin Montgomery ever won a single tournament that Tiger was playing. I like, I like this stuff. I love this stuff. I mean, I'll fucking do it. If it means it'll fire tiger up, I'll start tweeting that he's done. He should just retire.

I'll just, that's the only thing I'll ever say. If it'll fire his ass up and he'll start. fucking winning. I'll take one for the team. I don't care what it takes, but, but yeah, you can't be out there. Like, he should fucking retire. From what I saw, I feel very optimistic going forward. That man can contend in major championships. We just got to get him through. It's going to require, obviously, a week where his fucking leg feels pretty good. I think it's week on, week off with that thing. I think sometimes it's fine. Sometimes it's probably unbelievably sore. But there's a golfer in there, boys. There's a real golfer in there still. Shout out to team Harrington. He's on today's

show, right? We're going to get to him pretty soon. You got to watch it. If you've been listening to this, maybe in your car, on your way to work, you got to turn on the YouTube version of this for when Patty comes onto this screen because he's absolutely yoked up, guns ablazing, right in front of the fucking camera. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And then he went out and played really well at the PNC. He said he's been playing really well. He's been doing really well at the Champions tour events. So yeah, it's been pretty, it was a really, it was a really, really good event. I thought I was pretty glued to it all weekend, even with everything going on.

There was a lot of hockey on. There's a lot of football on. There's a lot of soccer on. And I still kept watching, not even just for Tiger, but it's always just, it's always just fun to see these guys playing with their sons or their daughters or whoever, because you see how good the families are at golf. Like, Jordan Speets dad's just like sick at golf and draining like 70 foot putts and shit. It's like, you expect it, I guess, but you really, it's fun to see because you're like, that's how they got there. That's how Jordan's beat. I'm always, right. I'm always really surprised by Mike Thomas. And I know he was like a player back in his day. And he lives for this event, though. What's that? He lives for this event. For sure. But he like last year he could his back was hurt and he couldn't

really walk. So it was like, man, he's kind of getting up there. And then yesterday he's just throwing darts around. And it was like, dude, the Thomas has got to be like some of the more competitive people on the planet. And you just, I mean, his dad's like right there on his bag. Every single tournament that JT plays and taking videos doing that that dad stance behind him. You just know that like when PNC comes around, he's doing a stretching in the morning. Like no one talks to Daddy Thomas. Like he's getting ready for his tournament this week. And he takes it very seriously and he hits amazing shots.

Amazing. The guy was flag hunting all weekend long. I love that. Yeah. Doesn't smile. That's the pose now. Like if you're taking a swing video of somebody, you got to get in that pose. Yeah.

You got to get the wide legs crouched down a little bit, belt high. That is just the official pose. It's the coolest event ever, man. I just love, I love that his. dad takes it that seriously because it is serious. I mean, board the things went like $200 grand or something like that. I mean, like, it's fun to like take over a check to play golf with your kids. It's like, it's coolest thing of all time.

Tiger had the dad pose like, of course he did it, you know, harder than I've ever seen anybody to it. He was like wide base and was out there getting that shot of Charlie's swing. Oh, really good. Dad Tiger, uh, at times make me, makes me emotional when he, he really likes being a dad. He genuinely does. Like, I think he says it. a lot and you always hear about it and he's like, I just want to be healthy enough to play with my

kids and, you know, see him grow up and, you know, he's had some tough times. But watching him out there, it's, it's cool. It really is awesome to see how happy playing what Charlie makes him. I thought that was, I mean, that's what the event's all about. But like, when they're hugging on 18, it's like, wow, that's pretty cool. It's the most human that he is, right? Like when we see that, it's, he's so media trained and even in normal interviews or even when Dan forgets what he's supposed to ask him. Like, he's still just very trained and comes off pretty robotic. And there, it's just a guy with his dad, which we see every day everywhere. And you're like, oh, this guy's a real person. You can tell him and Charlie have an awesome relationship. They give each other a hard

time. Yet Tiger's still out there. Tiger still wants to get footage on his phone of Charlie. He wants Charlie to, like, hit good shots because he knows it makes him happy. It's like, that's just so real and human of Tiger. Exactly. Big time. Well, so fucking. You know what? This is a weird, I just want to say this. This is a weird like fucking comparison. Did you see that guy in the Mavs, that first round draft pick? He just retired.

He's like played 13 games. He just retired because he just couldn't take the anxiety anymore of just being in the NBA. Just like, I just can't take it. Just thought I'd like it and it's just like ruined me. It's amazing what the pressure does to some people. Like I mean, Charlie right now going into this, you think about he's just going to be ready for this, right? You just think because he's a woods, he's just going to go out and probably win majors. It's like you don't realize.

that each person mechanically or technically in their brain, whatever's going to happen, how they're going to accept it. And, you know, one way you can go this way, they got on the Dallas Mavs or the other way you can be Charlie and like be really good in interviews and step up to the limelight. It is amazing that no matter how much talent you have, it doesn't mean that you're going to make it. I just thought it was crazy when I saw that come across my desk. You know what I find interesting about the Charlie Tiger relationship is that there's like Charlie knows who his dad is and knows some of the things that he He just seems to pardon my take, so he needs to be jokes on that. That actually kind of fucked up my whole view of,

of like what Charlie knows and what he doesn't know. But like, he's gonna, he doesn't know where, like it's, it's kind of weird to say, but we know more about Tiger professionally than Charlie does. I don't know if that's true or not,

but like, I'm talking about tournaments and things that he's won, things that he's gone through. Like, and Charlie's going to learn those things and realize like, who his dad really is. Like he realizes that his dad is Tiger Woods for sure, that he's won 15,

majors, probably the greatest golfer of all time. But when you start getting into the details of like the 2008 U.S. Open and all these things where he is, he is that dude. He is Tiger Woods, who is the greatest golfer of all time. That's really interesting to watch. And it's going to be interesting to watch that maturation process as the PNC goes forward. Just watching Charlie fully realize. And again, there's going to be parts of that that aren't great, but fully realize who

his dad is. Yeah, that's a that's a fascinating thing to think about someone in his spot, Charlie's spot, learning about your father because like you're saying Trent, like we, we know more, I agree in your opinion, because we lived it. We didn't have to go learn about it. We didn't have to go study it. We didn't have to like try to download it to our program. Like we just witnessed it. We were there. We saw we knew all the context in real time at the 08 U.S. open at the 2019 Masters, which he was obviously a very bunch older and remembers all of that. But, but yeah, he like finding that out. And then what you talked about earlier, finding it out in a different era where they have

phones and access to the internet and whatnot all the time. Like, I don't know how he understands all that. He might have watched every fucking round Tigers ever played on YouTube. He might, he might have never wanted to look at any of it. Like we don't, you know, like the last thing in the world we ever want to do is watch ourselves on videos. so maybe he doesn't even want to watch his dad on video. Like maybe it's that kind of relationship to it.

It's really interesting to think about. Yeah, there's like documentaries. There's like a one-hour documentary that goes through Tigers 2000 U.S. Open when he wins by 15 shots. I've seen it. It's called like Perfection of Pebble. I've seen it 25 times. Has Charlie seen it? Maybe he has.

Like Rick is saying, that's impossible to know. Maybe he digs into it. Maybe he doesn't. But at some, maybe he knows way more than we think. But it's, yeah, I mean, his dad. He seems like a cool kid. I'll say that. He gets it.

He's like super normal. This was the first year that he was doing interviews. He was very guarded because I remember we would ask last. I was at this event the last couple years and there was like no fucking chance. You're a creep. Get away from this kid. Now he's doing interviews and, uh, yeah, just seems like a normal cool guy. And I think it's a testament to tigers, um, and Erica and Eland's parenting that he is like so

normal and guarded. Not an easy thing to do when you're just a super rich, you know, famous person's son. It's just like, that's just not easy to be. It's, historically you are put in a spot to fail. Totally. Totally.

So yeah, really impressive. I thought he's been really impressive. And so was Tiger. So I loved it, love the PNC. All right. Speaking of PNC, Harrington's were there. We got Padrake Harrington,

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Padrake Harrington rejoining the show. We're just chatting a little bit, but you're coming to us from the PNC Championship, it sounds like. Yeah, I'm delighted, actually, because Europe, certainly Ireland, the weather's terrible at the moment. We've got a bit of, we get snow maybe once a year and we're getting it at the moment. So being in Orlando, Florida, even the forecast isn't great here, but it's a lot better than home. So I'm happy to be here. I saw some pictures of St. Andrews covered in snow. I imagine that was sort of the same storm that hit Ireland.

Did you live in Florida when you were in your heyday forever? No, I never moved to the States. I kind of take the attitude. If I moved and I brought my, same I brought my wife and family here, and then I went to a tournament, I'm leaving my wife where she has no social structure. Whereas if I'm a home for three weeks now in Ireland,

my wife would literally kick me out the door. Like, come on, why you're ruining the routines, all the things. Because she has her, we live within 10 minutes of my family, her family, her sister. She has all her friends. So I think for a professional golfer, particularly because of the amount of travel we do, you're better off living where your wife is from if you want a happy married life. If you want to, like, there's no doubt living in the sun is better for your golf. You know, living on a golf course, being able to practice on a golf course,

because practicing on a driving range is quite close to effectively, useless. It might even be harmful. So practicing on a golf course. And I know greenkeepers don't want to hear this. But the way I learned my game and the best way to learn it is go play nine holes in the evening time with three or four golf balls. It's interesting because I, I view you, I very much admire, well, just being a fan of yours forever. I admire your, I would say, kind of the way that most people can relate to you because you're a constant tinkerer. And most players that are weekend golfers, we always talk. Every single golf swing I take is a different golf swing.

And so when we watch players that seem robotic and they seem same golf swing from, you know, 25 years ago, and I'm sure there's a lot of those same characteristics in you, but you're posting tips. You're constantly tweaking. In 2017, you came out and you're stepping through your golf shots. We love that, I think. Yeah. I did actually record 15 or 16 videos for my Paddy's golf tips here yesterday.

So they'll be going out through next year. Wow. I will tell the truth. I love to think about golf. I'm a golf nerd. I'm a golf pervert. I just like golf and everything goes on with it. I'm curious to what other people are doing.

I'm curious to what I'm doing. But saying that, I do need to keep it in its right box. So if I describe this, can you imagine having two brick walls? One is your technical swing and one is your mental game. Well, every time you work on your technical swing, you're taking a brick from your mental game and putting it into your technical game. So if you go working on your technical game, it's left brain, you're scrambling for thoughts, you are damaging your mental game.

There's no doubt about it. And of course, if you work in your mental game, it's quite possible working on your mental game only will make you a better player but the problem with the people who have only had a mental game all their career when something breaks they don't know how to get it back so it isn't a perfect model

to be always in the mental side of the game it's certainly a poor model to be only in the physical side of the game technical but remember that's what we enjoy and I used to get into rows with amateurs actually physically get lose my not yeah get angry because I'd be telling them

to improve their golf. This is early on in my career, and I didn't realize that a lot of golfers actually don't want to improve how they're scoring. They want to hit the golf ball better. They're quite happy to sacrifice being a more competitive player. They'll lose their bets on the weekend in order to hit pure golf shots. So there's a high section of golfers that are more interested in swinging the club well, hitting the golf ball well, and the purity.

And then you have a few who are only interested in. school. It's like you're putting, Riggs. It's like you're putting. It's just amazing how true that is. I think from any average, you know, weekend golfer, which I think we try to represent, it is such a better experience for whatever reason mentally. If you go out there and you play around where you're like, you know what, I just hit the ball really well. And yeah, maybe I feel like I should have shot 76 or 77, whatever your skill level is, but I actually shot 83 because I scored like an asshole. But guess what? I feel good. I found it. I figured it out. I'm swinging the club well.

That, for whatever reason, leaves us with such a better taste in our mouths than the other way around. I'd say there's 90% of golfers like that. But there are 10% and we all know that there's some really competitive guys that just get the job done. There's some that have got hockey handicaps because they want to win. There's plenty of guys that are just interested in score. You even see that bit in tour. I know good players on tour. and maybe good players who didn't quite make it on tour, I would say,

that kind of believe if they didn't hit the ball, if they missed a ferry or missed the green, that they deserved the bogey. That never crossed my mind in my career. I had no preconception that if you played a whole badly, that you shouldn't get up and down, that's not right, you know. And I was all about the score very much, and that's probably why I became quite obsessive about my swing,

because that bit was missing. Have you always been on the way? well yeah kind of I grew up there was no practice ground in my golf club so you know I could only practice my chipping and play on the golf course it was very windy golf course and poor weather so you just didn't you know it wasn't conducive to be in a nice swing and you couldn't and it was a tricky course you couldn't hit nine greens in regulation any day so to shoot under power you were shooting I was shooting under power around that golf course hitting six greens in regulation and and that's just my skill set I was winning I was always gambling and I was always gambling you know, trying to, look, if anybody wants to get better at golf, at any sport, if there's something on the line, they will reset to how do I get this done? So if you're playing for, as I would have, as a kid, I would have played for a golf ball or a Coke.

You know, I would have played for a pound, like a dollar back with my brothers and $5. I remember one of my brothers, like he's 10 years old than me, actually the nine-year-old year-old year-old of brother. He pinned the pound note up on the wall for at least five years. The last pound he won off me. to make the point. Andy did the classic

what do you call it? I call it a bustle at home where he got in my head. Did the classic one. I missed a birdie put of about four feet on the fifth hole, nine whole match. And as I'm going to tap in to like two foot or prepare, we don't play gimmies. By the way, if you want to be a golfer,

I never play gimmies, okay? I'm sorry to say, you don't even get to be in the conversation if you play gimmicks. So I'm trying to tap this two footer in. He says, that's a shame. there's no more birdie holes. So straight away, my mind starts wandering.

The seventh hole, two holes later is a reachable power five. I'm like, what's he saying? I'm going to birdie the seventh in my head completely. And I missed the two-footer. Just the perfect hustle. Just getting somebody's head and make them think of something that they shouldn't be thinking of at that time. We do this series here with Trent, who's on the podcast with us,

and he is doing a thing called Breaking 90. He's never broken 90 in his life. And we play ball and hole. and it's been an amazing eye-opening experience at how much more difficult it is to play the game of golf when you are putting everything out as opposed to the relaxed out with your buddies. I would call it, I guess, American version of golf that we've come to play where we just, anything that's around the hole, you're playing for a match anyway, so you just don't even care you scoop it up. But if you're trying to find out how your game is improving, if it is improving, getting that ball in the hole is so much more difficult than anyone realizes until they do it. And he does not get enough credit for attempting to lower his handicap while doing that. Well, and the response from people has been they will go out and try it.

And they realize that they're not a mid-80s golfer. They're a low 90s to maybe even mid-90s golfer when you take the gimmies out of it. Because putting everything out, like Frankie's saying, is much, much, much more difficult. And it makes a five-footer, like a five-footer is not a guaranteed two-putt. Right? Whereas if you're just playing a, if you're playing with gimmies, you're like, well, I'm going to try to bury this five-footer. if I miss, like we're just going to the next hole. Even that five footer when everything's got to go in the hole,

if it's a little downhill left to rider, you're a little more tentative, and that just adds up over 18 holes. It's so true. It's some, like I get a lot of guys, and they'll say, oh, I have a really good player at my club.

I'm sponsoring them. I think he's going to make it as a pro. You know, and I'm trying to fish out a bit of information about, man, one of the first things I'll ask is, does he play with gimmies? Does he give himself puts when you're playing them?

If he plays with gimmies, he's not going to be a pro. it just it is a fundamental part of the game that you must take responsibility for those two and three-footers if you want to be a competitive player because I can guarantee you if you were playing against your buddy and you were playing for a million dollars he wouldn't give you that three-four right there you go yeah I uh that's so true because when you watch when the coverage of big tournaments starts to narrow in and you actually get to see people have to hit every shot all the way down to putting everything out. When they line up those two and a half three footers in the back nine,

you kind of sit there while you're watching like, oh God, because man, those are not gimmies like we're saying. And if those miss, it starts to derail you, you lose confidence. The next one's not good.

You want to come to the championship, okay? Everybody on the championship store has something going on in their game. And it's actually for people that are, it's phenomenal how good the players are because everybody's carrying a crutch we're at that age in our careers there's a many a guy in the champion store

and when they put up to two and three feet they either run up and hit it or else they stand there hoping that somebody's going to give it to them as if they really don't want to hit it because that's the nature we've got to that stage that you know it's difficult for us you know there's a bit of nerves involved

so it's phenomenal on the championship store that it's possibly the longest time to hit a putt as a three-footer. Rather than like a 15-footer, ah, it's no problem. We'll knock that up, 25, 30-foot or no problem. But three-footer, you've got to grind over that. You've got to

line it up. You've got to get the line lined up. You've got to be careful. So, yeah, I will say, give me speed-up play, no doubt about it. And if you're having a bit of fun, we see it into pro-ams. It's really great in pro-ams that they play shambles a lot, where you play off the best drive. And

I think that's the greatest way of playing golf for amateurs. Why would you come out to a nice golf course pro-am and spend all day looking for your golf ball and hacking around the trees when if you play shamble where you play off the best drive everybody enjoys the day everybody has burpees and those should be more like that in the social context we uh we know a guy really well uh alister dockery who we kind of support and he just got his corn fairy tour status going into next year he gets his first eight starts i play with him quite a bit out here in scotsdale and every hole no matter what if he's got a two-footer a four-footer

he always says like sorry fellas i got to go through my process and he does as quick doesn't take overly long but way longer than the rest of us who just fucking slap at it and then keep moving on he does his quick aim point he lines that puppy up and he buries it every single time and it's exactly because of what you're talking about i i did a sponsor when i when it first came on tour a company sponsor me but the individual as you always know it's always an individual behind it and he used to play golf and hustle all the amateurs because he'd a bit of money so He didn't mind doing it. He was a decent player, like a one handicap,

and he'd have outrageous bets with the guys. And, you know, a couple of hundred pounds at the time. He'd have a, like a, I think he had a $5,000 whole in one prize, must be paid in cash the next day. Must be paid. And like, these are struggling pros. So if they won it, it would be the greatest thing ever, if they, with the pressure.

And he was just hustling. Hussing out. We beat nine times out of ten. We were making our money out. We were making our pocket money at that stage, young pros. But the one time we lost, we might lose 700 pounds, and it would be paying. You mentioned the Champions Tour. I'm looking at your record here.

You dominated this year. You had four wins. You had four second place finishes. You averaged 309 yards off the T, which is the longest on the senior tour, which probably isn't a surprise. Are you just pure distance? Are you as long, longer now than you were in the? the 07-08 range?

I'm longer. I'm longer. I'm in the same, I'm probably in the same category as I've always been. So when in 07, I would have been at the top end of the good players, but I wouldn't have been as long as the big hitters. But the big hitters, we'd all convinced the big hitters. It was like a mass psychosis. We convinced all the long hitters not to play like long haters.

They were all wrong to hit the ball driver. So all the long hitters up until Rory came, even DJ, Bubba, J.B. Holmes, all those guys were long hitters, but they played at irons off the teeth where we did drivers. It was only when Rory came out and just kept hitting drivers that all of a sudden, what you're allowed, do that, you can do that. And it wasn't done, I swear to you, all the long hitters up onto 2011

tried to play golf like the medium hitter. They didn't have a go-der. Now, I would think it's pretty tough. If you're a young kid going out there, you've got to be really, really good if you're not a long hitter. Because it's hard to beat 50 or 60 long hitters. That's what I was going to say is I think that coincides with the shot link data and with just understanding strokes gained and how closer the hole is better. And I was going to ask you, you know, you're someone who's very well versed in this stuff. I think that the college kids who are coming up now might be on the hole longer than players on the PGA tour.

Do you see a future? Yeah. Do you see a future where 315, 320, 325 is the new 300 yards? Yes and no. I haven't seen any benefit being longer than 190. 180. 180, 180 within yourself is absolutely optimal. Low mid-180s within yourself.

So you're not trashing at it. You're a king. I think once you get higher ball speeds, you're starting to struggle. with spin control. Can you imagine standing over a four iron? Like if you've got like 200 mile an hour ball speed of your driver, you're stand over a four iron. You could hit that with a cut, too much spin, you might hit it

220. And then the next shot you might draw it, you're going to hit it 255. That's 35 yards on the same shot. Whereas you get somebody who was great in my day, say Tim Clark. Tim Clark would have a three hybrid and he hit that thing. He'd be trying to hit it 220 and matter how he hit it,

he hit it 250 and if he absolutely killed he hit it 222. He had a seven-yard gap between his distance. So as much as we want to be long off the tea, I think there is a sweet spot. Just a sweet spot when it comes to controlling the irons. And plus, they can't make the golf courses too long. Because remember, the short hitters are always the ones

who are going to complain if the golf course gets locked. So you still have to cater for everybody. So Rory is easily the best driver in the game. And to be honest, he's probably the longest in the year because of the way he's unusual that he's actually very fast and efficient. That's a very unusual combination. Usually the short-edaters are efficient. But Rory's boat.

So he's pitching it like 325 in the year. He's an unbelievable driver. But if you gave me Rory's length, I don't know if I could play with it. I just don't think I'd have the wear it all to take some of the lines that Rory takes on. And, you know, again, the new kids come in. The one thing I would say, if you have 50 of these kids playing in the tournament. One's going to get hot, right? That's the problem.

Yeah, even if he's not, even if what we're seeing more, and this is, like I would have said, even from 2011 onwards when Rory came along, it had a big effect of me because up to that, I would tee up and go, if I play my game, I win. I wasn't looking over, okay, I was, everybody was looking over the shoulder at Tiger. But outside the Tiger, we finish around,

if you had a good score, you'd be putting in your thing, and you're trying to be dissenting, oh, it's all about me. and you have a sneaky look, what's a tiger shoot? What's a tiger shoot? But I believe my game was good enough to win at that stage. Then when Rory comes along, you're going, how can I beat this guy? He's hitting at 30 yards further down the fairway.

You know, it just looks now there's 50 guys like that. Not quite like that, but there's a lot of them out there. And the problem with that is these 50 guys, they're not all great players, but on their day they're great players. And, you know, one out of those 50 is going to, a seem unbeatable. And that is the problem. It's the seeming of being unbeatable because we know holding a good wedge makes up

for a lot. Right. But you feel inferior. I saw a recent Markomira clip going around from an, like, an instructional seminar kind of thing from years ago. And he was talking about when he first started playing a bunch with Tiger. And he said the two things that blew him away when you played a bunch with Tiger, where one that he was always pin high, always.

And he's like, even if he wasn't trying to smoke it by or whatever, he was always pin high. And the other thing he said was his speed on the greens. He said, even if he didn't make everything every day, his speed on the greens was always phenomenal. And that putting is way more about speed than line. And he said those two things to him compared to all of the pros he played with added up to where he was just going to be several shots better pretty much every time. look tiger had everything at the best level he was the best driver in the ball he was best iron player he was the best putter he became a great pitcher at a ball he became a great bunker player he was always phenomenal chipper but imagine having the talent which loads of kids do and then having tiger's attitude so tiger

like had you know he just there was no he left no shot out there it killed him to drop a shot So even if he was making a double bogey, it was the best double boge he could make in that hole. So he had, you know, the game and the talent, but he played like he was, you know, had a chip in a shoulder, you know, was, he played like one of those players that, you know, was getting the most out of the game and he was already the best. So he had the two qualities that tend to make, you know, in different degrees make up a professional golfer. Some are very talented and some are unbelievably competitive. Tiger had both of those put together. So unusual.

We have talks about Tiger all the time on the show about what really made the man and the golfer. What made him such a great golfer? Are you saying that you think that are there people out there as talented as him? They just don't have the same type of mental ability that he does? I definitely, there's lots of players out there that are incredibly physically talented. I think it's easier to be that way now. Yeah, there's better coaching. There's better equipment.

Everything is better now. I think Tiger was easily two steps ahead of everybody in every different department back then. But the defining point for me with Tiger was just his sheer drive on the golf course. Every day he just. And in some ways it knocked the edges off him a little bit later on in his career because I prefer the 2000 version of Tiger because he went after a lot of shots. and he'd hit miracle shots and it was exciting. Then he realized, you know what, I can be patient here. And he played a lot to the middle of the green.

He played steady, hit more irons off the tee. You know, he just knew he'd keep himself in the tournament because he was winning tournaments that way. I think if he was pushed more, I think he would have gone back to being the player of 2000s, of the late 90s of hitting golf shots. The one thing he didn't want to do with Tiger is poke the bear. I know he's called the Tiger, maybe poke the tiger.

You know, if you wanted to beat Tiger, you kind of just hung in there, just stayed with him, hung in there, did your thing, and hoped to be in the right place at the right time at the end of the round where you could make a birdie, just catch him off guard. The last thing you wanted to do with Tiger was getting two, three shot lead after nine holes because you knew he was going to come at you. Or have a rules official kind of step in. Do you remember the 2009 WGC Bridgestone? Do a walk. But look, he hit the greatest golf shot probably ever hit in golf on that. 16 tall. It was 192 yards. I think he hit, I somebody says he might have hit an eight iron. So I quizzed him on this in my old job. I asked him. I said, I was quizzing him on all his wins.

And I said at the 2009 Bridgestone, you hit a shot to six inches on the 16th hole on Sunday to beat Patrick Harrington. What club did you hit? He said, I hit eight iron. It was 180 yards. We were on the clock. That's what put Patty off. He had to play quickly. And he made a mistake. Absolutely. We, I was never, I'd never been a quick player. My style of golf being a bit erratic and all that. And I'm obviously somebody who got it. So I'd be aware of my,

my pace of play and stuff like that. And we were, we were going to ding down, no matter what. We were pretty going ding-dong at it. I actually, I really liked playing with Tiger. He was very easy to play with it.

He only said good shot to you when you hit good shot, which was great. There was no bullshit about it. Like it was just straightforward. We're here to play golf. and he really wanted to beat you by playing better than. There was nearly a sense that he wanted you to play well, just to make him play well.

So he was very easy. There was no messing with him. It was so straightforward playing. And obviously then you're inside the bubble, which is a lot easier than being outside the bubble. But yeah, that one in Ting, he hit the greatest shot ever. And no doubt I would, my whole life I would say, I'm really good at handling the pressure and not getting effective.

by my playing partner doing this. But like I chipped it in the water afterwards. When do I ever chip it in the water? And then not alone did I chip it in the water. I'm going to tell you this in a minute. I made an idiot myself and dropped it that far side of the hazard when I could have dropped it where I was chipping from.

I forgot the rules. He just had you all over the place. I was, it was the greatest shot I ever saw. And yeah. Is that the first time you've admitted that you just, you,

you babbled the rules after, like you were so rattled? Is that the first time that you've actually, said that out loud. Well, I said it to my caddy that night, like we realized that. And obviously, my caddy is about the coolest customer in the world, so he didn't spot it either.

But, yeah, look, yeah, I think I was rattled, yeah. And my record with Tiger was pretty damn good. You know, when I play with Tiger, I have shown up very well, as I said, I've enjoyed it. So that was the one day that, you know, as I said, he was capable. When his back was to the wall, Tiger was capable of doing anything. And that was when he was at his most dangerous. To beat him, you just had to hang in there and lull him into a false sense of security,

you know, that you're just hanging around. It's like we're actually talking about a real tiger when you talk like that. Yeah, right. Like an animal. It's true. I do think, by the way, I think the media destroyed his driving. 100%. He was a phenomenally, he was a phenomenally, he was a phenomenally,

good driver to ball, very straight. So you can imagine, he was hitting the ball 30, 40 yards past most of the field. So that meant his angles and lines were always a cross dog legs. So he looked like he hit the odd wild shot, but he didn't. Nearly always hit the middle of the fairway on a par five. So he was a great driver. But the media used to play up, I think, you know, get into his head about it. And you'd even see, like for me, you could see later on, he hit a few drivers at times.

at that period, maybe 2006 onwards, where, you know, there was, it was like the, is it 2005 highlight where, no, it wasn't 2006, 2006 highlight where he hit the irons. That was the greatest performance ever, but in some ways it was like it was held against them that he wasn't able to hit drivers. And you would see later on in his career, he'd hit driver at the odd time, and it was nearly like to prove that he was a good driver. He was a great driver. I pick him in 2000,

I pick him as the best driver of the game ever. Yeah. Maybe until Rory came a lot. It is true. Like when you go through the final round in 2000, which I've clearly done a million times, at the US Open, Pebble Beach,

he steps up several times in that final round and just rips driver with the ocean all down the right. And he's completely fearless. And he absolutely roast that. thing. But I was going to say you, you've rattled some guys too. What comes to mind for me is 2007 Carnusti, Sergio Garcia, when you took him down and my household was not Sergio Garcia household at all. So when he lipped out that put to win the Open Championship, we went crazy. And then they replayed that

clip of you and him passing each other and looking at each other. So you've gotten the better of some guys in some intense moments before. Yeah, as I said, I was better in those intense moments. There's no doubt. Put me with my back to the wall. Put me in the pressure situations. That's when I played my best. The Sergio went down 18.

You know, I obviously messed up 18. And thankfully, I went on to win the playoff because that could have hurt me badly. And thankfully, I went on to win more major. So it wasn't, you know, when you mess up the 72nd hole, it kind of puts an asterisk on things. But, you know, you've got to look. Sergio coming down 18, he's possibly the best driver to ball in the game in 2007,

very long, very straight. And he hit an iron off the tee to leave himself 270 yards into that grid. Like, nobody would want 270 yards into the 18 green at Carnoustie. Like, you can pitch it on that green and go outbound. Like, that's, it's the hardest shot in golf. So he, you know, sometimes, you know, he had a strategy that week,

but that's why you can't always have a strategy. You know, people are, they always ask this in a Saturday night of tournaments, you know, what's your strategy going to be tomorrow? And you go, well, I'm going to hit the right shot at the right time. Depends where I hit it. Yeah, you can't turn around to say, I'm going to play safe off every team because some stage,

you've got to take it on. And some stage you've got to back off it, so you can't say, I'm going to be aggressive all day. Every day you've got to hit the right shot for the right occasion. And Sergio had been playing with an hour, and it had worked very well for them for the week. But if there ever was a, time he could have broken the hole at one shot.

If he hit driver off the T, which I was trying to do and I messed it up, but if you hit the shot, the 18th hole is one of those golf holes. It's incredibly difficult, but if you hit a great drive, you've completely broken the back of the hole. Like, you know, it was probably a drive

and a seven iron that day, where it's laying up, he's 270 trying to hit a three iron with a burn, does shorter the green, outbound's left, outbound long and you can't hit it right. Doesn't sound very pretty, does it? No, no. No. Yeah, because I remember when Tiger and Mo and Ari were in that final group, they both hit Driver and had like a flip wedge into that into that green. Now, obviously, things are different with the wind, but still.

We were hit in 2000, what year was that two? Seven. That's 29. No, not 2018, 18, 18. We were hit, we were hitting the burn on 80. Like you were driving into the burn that we were trying to hit like a driving a four iron over. We got how firm it was. Yeah.

It was just, just that's links called. you turn up and the RNA are quite good. They say, well, whatever the weather delivers you get, we're not going to do anything, you're going to get whatever turns up. So it was burned out. They don't mind if we shoot 20 under par.

And if we shoot four over power, they're quite happy too. That 07, 08, you win three majors in, you know, 13 months or so. Was that, I'm starting to gather that that might not have been, you know, necessarily this physical peak of your game. But was that,

was that to you, like pretty, pretty mental. Were you just mentally believing that you were going to win these tournaments? Yeah, I lost, like everybody, a lot of people have a hard look story

in 2006 Open, US Open at Wingfoot. I had three pairs to win and hit three good t-shots. Like, you hit three good t-shots and you, like,

I cannot tell you how bad a bogey I made on, I missed the 16th with a five-arm bogey. First chip of the day, I hit a bad chip. I took three foot 20 feet on 17, and then a three-put, the 18th. Like, but I remember walking off.

I was going up through the bleachers, went up, and there's a beautiful lawn there, shale, and I walk up to the clubhouse, Wink, and Bob Rattella standing outside, I'm working with Bobbettel, and he's there to take the shoelaces off. He is genuinely worried that I'd go to, and I smiled at him because it was the

first time in my life that I played a major, where I'd finished it and gone, I could have won this by myself, whereas up to that, I was hoping to win a major and I was hoping that I'd hold a few long puts. I'd get a bit lucky or somebody else would mess up. But I couldn't have scored worse that week than I did.

So I knew walking off a wing foot. That was the first time that I went to a golf course and after that where I walked around a major and I wasn't looking over my shoulder. I wasn't worried about what anybody else was doing. I was going, if I play my game, I'm going to be in contention. If I do that twice a year. So if I do it, play my game in four majors, I'd be a, in contention. I'll play well three. I'll be in contention two. And I said, you know, maybe I'll

win one and every two, one and every four. So, you know, I was kind of working like that. But the minute you're comfortable, that's when you start winning. And guys, I know it's changed now with the young guys, but up to my career, pretty much every golf career lasts the 20 years. And they all had two seasons about 18 months where they peaked. And if you look at everybody, they all had that. And what we're seeing now is the young guys are having that two season, 18 months early on. 23 or 24. But remember this.

Once you peak, never is good again. It's very, very few. You'll only find an outlier somewhere that has peaked twice. Because you're trying to live up to how you think you played, which isn't the reality. Remember, you know, everybody looks back at their golden period and think they never hit a bad shot.

That's not true at all. So it's really hard to live up to that period. And look, you can see it. You'll get guys who make a tour car. You'll get guys who make a writer cup. You'll get guys who win a few tournaments. You can just go through everybody's career.

It's about 20 years. They'll start to burn out about 16 years. You won't notice the last couple of years because they'll still be there, but they're not the same person. Nowadays, though, it's phenomenal. These kids come out now. Two or three years on the tour,

they're playing unbelievable, but it's very hard to live up to that peak. You know, they're not the same person afterwards. I think we're seeing that with Jordan, Steve. I mean, Jordan Spieth, and it's not like he's a bad player, right? He's still winning. He won two tour events, I think, you know, in the last 12 months or whatever it was, but just like, is he ever going to reach that 2015 level? Who knows? You know what? I give him, I give Jordan his comeback is very strong and I give him hope.

As I said, there will be outliers. Somebody will do it. I'm hoping to do it twice. You know, I might as well hope. As in everybody's, yeah, everybody. Your arms look fantastic. I think you're ready for it. Yeah, you're ready. I'm moving up to the camera. That's a good angle. That's a smart. That's a smart way to say. Bursting out of that shirt. It's the first thing I noticed.

I said, this is a man that knows how to display his guns. Tight shirt. That's right. Patrick, I love, I love your energy. I love your passion for the game. It's phenomenal. Yeah. I've burned out myself.

So in 2015, 16, I was burnt out this game. You know, I just couldn't keep up that same pace. I've been trying so hard, working so hard, so much into it. And, you know, I looked at a bit of coaching because I love the coaching, like with Paddy's Golf Tips. I thought about a bit of commentary. And then I went and played a few events in Europe. And there was a few Irish lads out there, Peter Lurie, Damon, Rain on tour.

And I really enjoyed myself. You know, the few friends out there were having a bit of crack. We were enjoying it. And I said, you know what, I actually like golf. So I go to the best golf courses in the best condition. tournaments are set up. I actually like that part. So how can I enjoy being a professional

golfer? Because I wasn't enjoying it. I was working too hard. So I looked at and said, I don't keep up the same pace with a lot of things. If you turned around to me back then and said, we've got a hotel five minutes from the course at the motel or we got a lovely

mandolin Oriental in the city, you know, 50 minutes away. I'm staying in the city. If the lads back in the day said, we're going out to dinner. I go, well, I've got to go to the gym. I've got to go see my physio. Now, if they say we're going out for dinner at 8.30, I'm going. I don't care what my routine is. I'm trying to enjoy my life on tour much more because I can't sustain myself as a professional golfer at the pace I was going at. So it's the same for everybody, everybody's sitting there

in their work career. You get to a point that you're burnt out and you're just wondering, should you give it up, try something else, start something new. Well, actually, actually, actually, if you're good at what you're doing, actually look what you like about it and try and get rid of what you don't like about. So I got rid of a lot of stuff that I don't like that. I'm a lot more relaxed about my diet. I'm a lot more, like, I'm more likely to go into the gym and work on the guns than I'm going to go in and work on some fine little muscle. Speaking of our language. The Hollywood workout, baby.

Eyes tries out for show. That's interesting, though, right? Because a lot of people would say, like, it's the things that you're essentially trying to cut out that keep you at the top of your game. but what you're saying is that you want to be happy, and that is actually what gets you in the right state of mind to play better golf, which I think is interesting. I'm always going to do enough of the stuff. So I'm still going to hit enough practice shots.

I'm still going to do enough gym work. I'm always going to do that. But I just can't, couldn't keep going at the young person's pace. It just can't. And I understand, like, if an event's in a nice venue, I'm more likely to want to play the event than if it's in a bad venue, whereas 15 years ago, I couldn't care less. If you ran an event out on a runway out there,

if you put up a decent prize fund, whatever I feel, I turn up. Now I want to go to nice cities. I want to go to nice places. I want to stay in nice hotels. I want to enjoy what goes with it, which is fine.

I don't regret the way I've been, the intensity, but now you've got to back off it at some stage. And it's working very well for me. I definitely, champions sort of being really a great eye-opener. I'm a big fish in a small pond. I'm in contention pretty much every week.

Being in contention, you learn so much about your game. I've been saying this. If I go to a regular tour event and say I have a good week and I was six shots back, say I finished 20th, I'm probably six shots back. I go to my hotel room afterwards and I go, oh, God, I've got to hit the ball better, I've got to hit the ball further, I've got to swing the club better. Technically. Whereas if I play a champion's tour event, on a Sunday,

I have a chance of winning with nine holes to go and I finish two shots back. I guarantee you, I'll sit and think about that round and I go, if I just wasn't right there with that drive, you know, I need to be better routine, I need to be better mental. So when you're nearly winning tournaments, all you focus on is your mental errors, mental mistakes, how to make that better. When you're a few shots off, you think it's always physical. So I'm much more, I've been much better on the mental side of things, much more, doing what I should have, that I know I should have done for all those years, doing what I did in 2007 and 2008. the problem is after 2011, I didn't think that was enough. So I was trying to do all the physical and the mental, whereas I'm now back to the stage of going, you know what, the difference to me winning any week on the championship tour is how

good I am mentally. We should send this podcast every pro golfer 20 to 23 years old right now and just like take a little bit of something of what he's saying now. This is wisdom because like you're saying, you don't regret the way you played when you were like grinding, but can't, couldn't you have. taken a little bit of this wisdom when you were 25, 26 years old? Wouldn't you have enjoyed it a little bit more? Maybe who knows what would have happened?

You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know if I, who knows? Who knows would have been better? Remember, you've got to remember my, that's not my personality at that stage. You know, everything about me. My whole life has been looking at the guy sitting next to me and going, how the hell do I build him? So if we, if we turned up and we were playing tidilywinks,

Right? Playing what now? Any sport, any sport. Tiddly Winks is the little thing that you flick. Any stupid sport. Say we turned up and we played pool. Okay? So if you were way better than me at pool, I'd have no interest in playing.

No interest in play. If you were way worse to me at pool, I'd have no interest in playing. If you were slightly better than me, I would love it. Because the thing in my whole life is trying to beat somebody who's better. me who I have a chance to be and try to figure out how I can be better and then learn for them to beat them. So my whole golf group, remember, I didn't play a pro event until I was 24 years of age, but I was number one in my category all the way up. So I became number one in my club, number one in my area, number one junior, number one, you know, all the way up, I kept getting

to number one because I could only beat what I could see. So if you show me it, I will do it. That was me. That's my character. Clearly out and tour, I lost that. I lost that mojo, as I said. When you believe that you need more, that's the heart. There's a fine line, I suppose, between, you know, you're gaining experience. You've probably got a little bit of enthusiasm or naivety or innocence. When they cross, you're at your best, but eventually it tapers too much experience, not enough. innocence is not a good thing you lose that so I'm trying to find it again and the champion store is helping and I'm interested to see when I go back and play regular events

because my first three months of the year next year will be all regular tournaments what I'm like does some of this good mental stuff cross over to me playing back on the with the kids you talked about you know getting the success of the satisfaction of beating people

I think it goes under the radar because of Phil's performance, but you finished fourth at the PGA last year. That was your first top 10, 2021. That was last year. 2020. Okay, yeah. It was the first top 10 in a major in 10 years? Was that one of the more satisfying weeks you've had on a golf course,

beating all the kids like that? That was a learning experience, believe it or not. God, it sounds like club pro guy, don't they? How so? Maybe I am. No. No. I played with Chain Larry.

I played with Phil in the first two rounds. I get on great with Phil and we had good crack. Jason Day was there and myself and Jason kind of little bit in this. He's a younger version of me in the sense of, you know, he's just come out of that peak and he's trying to, he's battling through what I would have battled through. He's trying to get back to his best by working hard and that's really tough. You know, the only way you get there, you think, well, I've got to do more work. I got more in the gym, more practice, more, you know. So I had a good time with Jason, a great time with Phil's for the two days, played well.

I know I played with somebody nice on the Saturday, and then I played with Shane Larry on the Sunday. And myself and Shane, for whatever reason, we just had great crack on the day. We just, every hole we were talking and joking and laughing at, you know, I think both of us, good shots into the 13th, which is really one of the, the last of the, well, 17, but 13 is the last of the really tough holes in that stretch there. And like, after we both hit it in there close, I think he waved across it at me, like, it gave me the, like, wow, we've done it. Like, we've broken the back of this. And so I realized, wow, I know I play so much better when I'm happy, talking about the golf course. I'm not a good person.

when I'm brooding on the golf course when I'm thinking on the golf course. And believe it or not, this is really going to throw the cat amongst opinions. I am terrible when I'm thinking about stats on the golf course. You should never,

any your golfers out there, you should never be counting your fairways hit, your greens hit on the golf course. So you don't want to be analysing that stuff has nothing to do with scoring. Just play away. And by talking and relaxing, that's the best possible way for me.

of playing my best. And I saw it that day and I said to my caddy, which we knew, but it was a really good reminder. Look, you play your best when you're out there enjoying a relaxed, having fun. I know I'm going to try. So it's not a question, you know, you could say this to a kid at 20 years of age.

And if he doesn't have the work ethic in the first place, it's probably the wrong thing to say. But for somebody, I talk to most, and I do have a problem with your US college system, it's burning out players dreadfully. they're playing too much? Well, yeah, not just playing too much. There's too much formality.

I talk to a few kids. They come home from the States and their parents asked me to talk to. And like they might be there from September to Christmas. And I say, okay, yeah. So what do you do? I says, have you been out? And they go, no, we go back to, we eat at 630 because we have to eat the free food. And then we go back to our dorm.

And there's four of us and they play video games. And I'm going, but do you not go to any parties? This is, well, we're playing golf on the weekends. I said, well, at least in the midweek, you've gone to a few movies and things. No, they literally, 24-7 golf. They're getting up in the morning and going to go to the gym at six, which is terrible, by the way. Most people do not want to go to the gym at 6 o'clock in the morning.

It's not good for you to get up at early. No, sir. And then they're, they have to attend classes, which is bizarre from our perspective, in Europe, if you attend the course, you have to pass the course. You get a bonus for attending the class, but you don't have to attend. If you pass, you pass. That's it. So they have to attend classes, and then they have to practice,

and they have to practice the way the coach wants to practice, and then they have to play the way the coach wants to play. There's a lot of conformity. Basically, the coach keeps his job as long as the players fit the mold. And the only ones that are successful in college are the big enough stars that go into college and don't have to do what it. coach that do their own things and leave early enough that they don't do that for four years.

It's too constrained. Guys, you're meant to go to college to learn about yourself. You are meant to come out of college, having got a lot of things out of your system that you're ready for the real world. You are not meant to go to college. It is not meant to be that uniform. And I would say to a lot of US players, which US players don't, we have a getting this problem in Europe now with the book players,

they're starting to play mini tours, waiting to play local mini tours, when they should be traveling the world. If you're a good US player, you should be going. I know it's difficult now with living issues, but you should be going to the Asian tour. You'll learn unbelievably about yourself and golf by playing the Asian tour.

You remember, not as much now, but the kids I played against in Asia back in the day, they were feeding not themselves, they were feeding their families and their cousins. that was how big that was to them. They would, they'd be horrible in their swings and their way they'd play, but they'd skin you alive in the golf course.

They were that good because they were playing for their life. And you go up against these and their conditions, you'll learn a thing you too about how to play golf. Going down the road, playing a local mini-tour event, you're not learning anything. So I think college, it's just knocking the edges off these kids, burning them out.

I would prefer them to be. enjoying a little bit more and coming out more rounded individuals. There's almost no one listening to this show that's going to disagree that college should be a lot more about not going to class and going out and having a good time. So I think you're going to find a lot of allies

when it comes to that. I'm still thinking about throw the cat among the pigeons. That's something I'd never heard before. That's a good one. Does that mean just like things are going to go crazy when I say this? Yeah. What else would it be?

I don't know. I'm sure you've got some other ones. I don't know. Like the fox and the chicken coop, something like that. Yeah. That works in the house? Yeah. Yeah.

I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Patrick, we know you got to go. We know you got a busy week. This was awesome. We got to have you back on soon because I got a bunch of things written down here.

We didn't even get to. I got a bunch of your tips that I took away from your Twitter account that people should absolutely go follow you because they're really, really good tips. A lot of them are against kind of. a conventional wisdom and they're all on YouTube. Yeah, go ahead. Paddy's got tips on YouTube.

They're all there. But I want to say one thing, this is what we've all got to look out for this week. I'm at the PNC championship this week. So the old father and son, now it's player and relative. So Tiger's here with Charlie Woods,

obviously, right? And we're playing on Sunday and some of this is going to go up against the World Cup soccer. I'm wondering, I'm wondering will Tiger get better ratings than the World Cup? Or will Charlie get better rates than the World Cup?

That will truly put them. Like, we're all, everybody's watching watch Tiger Play and Charlie. Charlie seems phenomenal at this level. By the way, what will decide whether somebody is good in terms of professional golf, the kids are all going to be physically good. It will come down to how much they love the game. That's it in the end of the day. If you've got a kid out there, if you can get them,

I did a tip there. One of my latest Paddy's golf tips is, Bring the kid, when you're starting your kid, grandchild in golf, bring them to somewhere that you're not stressed. Because they'll pick up on your stress if you bring them to your formal golf club. Bring them somewhere that you're not stressed. Bring them home before they get tired. So in the middle of it, say, they have to go so that they want to go back.

That's like going to the gym. You never wait to your tired in the gym to leave. Leave when you feel good because then you'll remember to go back. And the third thing, which I think is the biggest thing, if you're getting your kids into the game of golf, when you finish up go spend 10 15 minutes on the way home either go into the clubhouse and sit at the bar

and have a Coca-Cola or go have an ice cream with your son or daughter they'll remember that for the rest of their life and every time they go play golf they'll actually be remembering the 15 minutes of their own time with their parent whichever the mother or mother of father the 15 minutes that they got to spend

is a big person sitting at the bar or whatever it is having a Coca-Cola. And the golf, every time they take golf, really is what they're remembering, is that happy memory of their one-on-one time with their parents. So it's more about how much a kid loves the game. They'll all find out how to be good at it. It's not the hardest game in the world. Coaching is great now.

They'll find a way if they love the game. And remember, most people with sport time seem to want their kids to be good first. and the problem is if they're good first when they plateau at some stage everybody plateaus it doesn't matter if you're throwing a baseball or whatever it is you will have a stage but your plateau and if everything is dependent on being good

and you plateau you'll give the game up whereas if you really love it the plateau won't be the end of the world you'll figure a way out through it so always try to strive for how can I instill that love and kids remember if you're starting a kid off the game of golf

at 10 years of age they will probably play the game for could be 100 years. How mad is that? My brother's going to eat that up because he's trying to get my nephew to obviously want to play golf because he loves to play golf. So I'm going to eat. I'm telling you, Kyle, listen to this. Get him a little ice cream afterwards and he's going to be hooked. Just make it fun.

The kids will figure it. They don't need to be told anything. Kids will figure it out. They will figure it out. And if you, if you're a teenage kid or like maybe, you know, you're starting to be good at the game, get them a little monitor. That P or GR monitor, 200 bucks, that will give them speed. They'll figure speed out by just looking at the monitor. So just let them have fun.

Kids are really good at figuring stuff out. So just let them at it in a nice. And if you went to most pros on tour, they'll tell you they had some, like my dad built the golf course. It was my playground. out. He built a golf course with 12 other, 11 other policemen. It's like the apostles at this date. But I actually helped physically build one of the greens, the 12th green when I was four years of age, five years of age. It's your place. It was my place. I hung around. I chased rabbits. I, you know, I lived around the golf course, 15 minutes from it. So I hung out there. And so many golfers will tell you that story that they just, it was just the place they, they, they hung up. out with our friends.

They played, in my case, we played snooker, we played golf, we did whatever, we played cards, as we got a little older and stuff like that.

It was, it was some club, but that gave me the love of golf, and that means that the tough days, you figure out, I'll get through this.

Wisdom. This is a podcast full of wisdom from our guy. Truly. You don't get a lot of wisdom on this show to be us.

Very little. Very little. Very little. very little. We really appreciate it. This was awesome. This was a blast getting to talk to you. Like I said, your energy right now for golf is insanely high.

Oh, yeah. And you know what? I'm enjoying myself. I'm loving it. Mind you, I am here with my son this week. Clean it up on the champion store. Of course you're enjoying yourself. I am enjoying this, but the father and son,

there is an element of stress here, I can tell you. So I actually think with the father and son, we should do like a, do you have a Chris Kindle? we kind of every father should be given every parent here obviously because Anika's here and Nelly I suppose

we should be given another partner son or daughter You just want to play with Charlie No no to coach because you can't coach your own kid You can never coach your own kid Oh I see what you're saying Yeah everybody

Right this is what you do Because everybody Everybody you can see everybody Because we're all throws We're all so well you know You should do a little bit of this Or a little bit of that but it's it's there's a lot of stress there's a lot of nerves going on this is this is

maybe I'm better off leaving him alone podrig's gonna pardry's gonna get paired up with charlie woods and give him a little ice cream after and charlie's gonna look at him in the eyes and just crush it in his hands and be like no and just walk away daddy told me no sweets until I destroy you no sugar until after my first major no sugar till a major and pat is like okay see you later Oh, that's good. Oh, shit. Well, thanks for the time, man.

This has been really good. We really appreciate it. We really appreciate it. This was a blast. We got to have you back on again soon. Thanks, guys. I enjoyed it. Yeah, sometime.

Have fun this week. Good luck. See you. Good luck. Thank you so much.