Fore Play - Who’s Really, Truly Back!? feat. Ian Happ

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

Jordan Spieth was back this weekend! For a few moments. Then big, bad Brooks Koepka showed up and dig what Koepka does. Where does this leave Spieth? How does it place the PGA TOUR landscape for the remainder of the year? In Saudi Arabia, DJ was DJ and Finau was Finau. At 45:07, Cubs outfielder Ian Happ joins the show. We discuss Pinehurst, a love for agronomy and course architecture, and how Jon Lester planned schedules around playing golf in every city they visited!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. A lot to talk about coming off the Waste Management Phoenix Open. It was a hell of a tournament about as excited for a Sunday final round, non-major, non-Tiger-Tiger Woods event, as I can really remember in years, maybe ever. So we got a lot to get to on that front. We have Ian Hap, who is an outfielder for the Chicago Cubs. We have him on for 55 minutes, almost a full hour. He's awesome, huge golfer.

His late father was an agronomist for the United States Golf Association. So there's a lot of golf talk from him. He has a podcast as well. So he's very good at this. He likes to break things down and be candid and be honest. And like I said, he's a huge golfer. So that's coming up. We have Borrelli and Bug are West Coast right now.

We've got the rest of us all over the country. So there's a lot going on. You look, Frankie. You look like a better person. outside of your dark, miserable kind of room, I think. Yeah, I am in a much better state of mind out here on the West Coast. It's Cali time, bra. The aisles are playing the Rangers at 4 o'clock out here.

I said to someone at the airport, that's just not possible. I mean, like, how does anyone get anything done out here? Do they just not like sports? Like, 4 o'clock on a Monday is unacceptable for the biggest game of the year. Well, biggest game. I don't know if there's many Islander Rangers fans hanging out. Like, you're not shut down the state. It goes for everything, right?

Like anything that starts at 7 o'clock Eastern, it's just too early out here. Yeah. I mean, you're right. It is ridiculous out here. And it's what you will learn, the massive benefit of it is when the games are over, it's not one in the morning. Right. When games finish, you typically, it's like you could even have a late dinner and then go to bed

and you still, you didn't ruin your whole day. So. Yeah. In the NFL side, I think it's just like way better. Yeah, NFL's a lot better. Like yesterday I got home at like 1230 from where I was watching the Super Bowl and that was just too late for the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, that's late.

Okay. I mean, it's 15 degrees in New York City right now. On this podcast, we have a wide range of temperatures. I want to show the people on YouTube like what we're working with here at Tori Pines. Go ahead and show them because you just kind of flexed on. Come on, bro. That's just the pond at Tori Pines right there in front of that green. Like that's like tigers right there.

Right there is where Tiger Woods hit maybe the most clutch put in the history of golf. It's fucking sick, man. I like 40s a lot. So, whoa, I'm out here. We're getting behind the greens rolling, jukeen and jiving out here in California, me and eBug. I don't even know what that means. I just feel good. I thought I want to say we were juke and jive.

Ebug has the yips when it comes to driving with me. I do feel bad because I don't want to ever generate or give off the vibe that someone needs to have the yips around me. Because I am a nobody, right? Like when I'm with Dave Portnoy, I have the yips when it comes to driving. There's a famous bar stool inside barstool story that I don't really actually know that's that famous. But Dave had to get out of the car and park it for me at Michigan because I just couldn't parallel park the car. And that was one of the lowest, like, like that is as low as it gets for a human being and a man, quote unquote. I mean, I can't grow any facial hair, so I'm not a man.

But Dave had to get out of the passenger seat, get into the car as I watched him parallel park. that's called the Yips. Ebug can't drive on the right side of the road, the correct side of the road with me and the car. He just gets in the other lanes. He doesn't know how to make left turns. He goes into the lane that's coming at him. And I'm just like, man, he just blew by stop signs. I'm like, are you all right right now?

He goes, I have the Yps. I can't drive. Yeah. Look, I will say that driving a car when you have a passenger is already, even if everyone's on the same playing field, everyone's best friends, is already a judgmental situation where the passenger's uncomfortable, they're chirping, you look at them like they do the fake break thing if you're going a little too fast towards a stopped car. So you're already nervy and now you get like you and Bug and he's already got a little yippy. So I feel bad for

the guy, but it is when you know someone's judging you, it can be tough sometimes to get through it driving. Well, what you find out when you're driving, because you do it so much, not so much anymore than I live in New York, but you do things while you're driving that you don't realize until there's someone else in the car. And they're like, whoa, and you're like, what's, what's going on? Why are you making those noises? And they start to critique it. And then you get nervous and then you get the yips because you start thinking about what

they're thinking about. And then it just, it all goes off the rails. Yeah. Lives are at stake when you're in the car. So that's where it starts, like, I'm looking at it. I'm being like, my life's in your hands. Let's just pay attention and drive on the correct side of the road. I will say there's probably no big, bigger like spastic warrior than you.

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you want to get clever, you want to have to be a good, classy cocktail. Owens makes that easy. So big thanks to Owens makes me. A couple little housekeeping notes, and then we're going to get to Speeth and Kepka and everything went down. Tommy Fleetwood video, second video, Tuesday night at 8 p.m. Eastern time. You saw the teaser at the end of the last one. We told him to pick a club, play us, par five. Pretty wild this whole day, which is actually infuriating, this whole day. And also the George Gankas lesson video. That full things out.

It's really, really fascinating. He goes through his whole, you know, method. He's ripping my hips around. I said, I feel like I'm at a fucking chiropractor. That's out on YouTube right now as well. So go check out that lesson. But it was very infuriating that Frankie Borelli played lights out this whole day because typically like one good day of golf is one little video.

It's fine. We filmed like 12 fucking videos in the span of 10 hours. And Frankie just was having an awesome. Monday the whole time. So all these golfers that we play with like, oh, those Borelli guys are like really, really good. And it's now we have six months of that. Like for the next six months, we're going to release a video where Frankie looks like a really good golf. Halfway through that day, that hit me where I'm like, fuck, man, this isn't just a good day. This is a good half a season. This is a good half a year for me because these videos are going to come out once a week for five,

six months, however long it it's going to be. And we're just going to fucking see how I dismantled professional golfers on this one hole back to back to back to back to back. I didn't have one bad hole. I had one bad shot and it'll come up. And of course, it came up in front of the biggest guy in the fucking universe. But I had one bad shot the entire day. So wait, people are going to believe how good I played against some of these guys. Collin-Orcawa wouldn't even look me in the face.

He was upset. I don't want to give too much away, but I mean, I played my best golf of my life that day. You did. And it showed. and it was frustrating, but also I was happy for you. I mean, it was due for one. I mean, I haven't had a good round on camera in four and a half years. So, you know, too.

Oh, dude. The golf guys gave me one. They threw me a bone there. So Tuesday night, 8 p.m. Eastern time. We'll be in the chat per usual on YouTube. And we're just going to keep rolling with the video stuff. So keep checking that out. And that's coming.

Okay. Waste management, the Phoenix Open. Awesome tournament. Awesome leaderboard. the Brooks Kepka, of course, wins. He went from three miscuts in a row to winning at the, at Phoenix Open at TBC Scottsdale. He had the Eagle on 17 preposterous chip,

where he had to hit kind of a mini bump and run that dribbled onto the green on 17 and went into the fucking hole. Place erupted. There were fans, which was really cool. So before we get into Speeth and all of that, Brooks Kepka, who again has been touted many times, he almost likes to, or very much likes to enforce this image of like he's more of an athlete than a golfer. He's not necessarily that into golf. He just kind of hits his job, but he likes to compete a

little. He had, you know, at one point he had what, four major wins and only like two PGA tour wins. Well, now he has equaled that. He's got four regular tour wins, four majors, eight wins total. His first win on tour was at DBC Scottsdale. I think that was 2015. Now he's come full circle and won there again. But look, he played great. He seemingly came back from the injuries. He hit awesome shots down the stretch while other guys were floundering. That's pretty much what it takes to win a golf third. He had a couple quotes afterwards, too, that were really interesting about coming back from the injury. I'm trying to pull one up right now. Oh, here we go. He said there was a period maybe for about two months where I just questioned whether I was ever going to be the same,

whether I was even going to be somewhat remotely the same golfer that I ever was. And we have obviously talked ad nauseum on this podcast about how we don't know if Brooks Kepka actually cares about the game of golf and how he plays and all that shit. It seems like he cares. And I think he's always cared. I think it's always been blown a little bit out of proportion about how much he doesn't care. And he's made jokes. He made the joke on part of my take where he gets 12 holes in and then he forgets like

what happens for part of the round, whatever. But it seems like he's had a tough couple of months. and for him to get a win at the Phoenix Open, it seems like it's a good thing for, it's a good thing for golf, it's a good thing for Brooks. It was just nice for him to finally open up and be like, there was a stretch

where I didn't think I was Superman. I didn't think I was going to be able to come back, but I've rounded back into form and now I can win golf tournaments because he really came out of nowhere yesterday. It was James Hahn, it was Jordan Speed, it was Xander Schauffley, there was a bunch of guys,

and then he starts to play well in the back. He chips in on 17, and it's like, oh, he's just going to win the golf tournament now. So it's good that it's good that Brooks is back in the mix and that he seemingly actually gives a shit. Yeah, his post round was interesting, like, interesting, because when he was the leader in the clubhouse, they panned him and was like, oh, Brooks just like doing the Brooks thing,

just like texting. And they, like, played it up that, like, he, like, seemingly didn't care about, like, winning this tournament, which I thought was interesting. Then he went through the quotes after that, like, to your point, were interesting when he brought up, like, the dark times and where he's been and now where he's at. But, yeah, I mean, like, he played, he played seemingly like great down the stretch and then also just appeared like he wasn't

he wasn't a lead i felt like you know golf commentary really wanted the speed zander thing to be a thing and they kept pumping that kept pumping that kept pumping that and they just couldn't catch fire that day on sunday um and then kepka came out the victor so it was uh it was pretty interesting yeah the chippin was stunning to me because that was one of those things everyone's watching the golf we're getting ready for the super bowl you're maybe at like whatever you're having a couple chips in case or I'm just saying what my day was like, I'm drinking a margarita, I got the whole thing going on. And then all of a sudden, Brooks just chips in.

And like you were saying, Trans, just what the fuck? These guys got two-stroke lead at the waste management. What just happened? I was like, well, Brooks just won the tournament out of nowhere. It was the whole day, it was these other guys, the entire day, the whole weekend was these other guys. Brooks just won. Like your brain too just instantly tried to do the math of like, wait a second,

wait a second. Now, I don't think anybody can catch him. Like that guy now is just 19 under par. What are we what are we going to do? And then he roast one 359 down the middle on 18. You're thinking he might make another birdie and win by three or four shots. So it was like he didn't get coverage or media attention until maybe the 15th hole on Sunday. And then people were like, oh, because even Stricker who was like looking to be the oldest PGA tour winner,

he's a writer cup captain this year. He was getting love. Zander was getting love. Speeth was getting a ton of love. J.T. was getting a ton of love, especially with his grandfather passing away. So he had a great storyline going in terms of, like, having that emotional factor. And then it was like, oh, here's Brooks Kepka, who kind of in a way did what Brooks Kepka does, whereas, like, he wasn't overly exciting.

Obviously, the chip had been on 17, but that was towards the end of the tournament. So nobody was really talking about him. He was a little bit, like, underrated throughout the whole week. And that's understandable because he's coming off, you know, three straight miscuts and injuries. And then all of a sudden he just, by the time they showed him on the television, you and your brain were like, I think it's over. I don't even know that anyone can make this close. His shot on 17 was so good for so many different reasons.

That hole is as good as it gets for television. You saw all sorts of shit. On Thursday, I watched JT make triple from, you know, he was like 30 yards away from the hole to a back left pin and made triple. Went from 4 under to 1 under. Joel Damon made a double on that hole. We watched Spieth and Zander hit it in the wall. in the final group.

And then right before, we watched a legit three-stroke swing between what Zander Shafley did and what Brooke Kepka did on that hole, seemingly from, you know, it happened in 10 minutes. So that hole just delivers. And the fact that it's, it comes after the loudest hole in golf, the fact that there were fans back there and you got a couple roars, you got roars on Saturday with speed and he was making puts and pointing at people in the gallery like we're back in fucking Royal Burkdale.

we had the Kepka Roar. So having like legitimate fans back to some degree was really, really cool. So all of that completely delivered. What I will say that I thought was extremely revealing was like how much more, and the reasons why, how much more entertaining Jordan Speath is to watch play golf than almost anyone else is largely because he's not a machine. Like he's all over the fucking map. The guy is, he's in the desert.

He's hitting these crazy hook shots. He was Justin Ray, who's a great stat guy in golf to follow. He was, he tweeted out that Jordan Speath going into the final round was last and driving accuracy in the field. And he was first in strokes gained on approach. Fucking think about that. He is literally against everyone else in the field in the worst possible spot of anyone in the field off the tee.

Yet he's the class. closest in strokes game to the hole after his next shot. So the guy is a recovery fucking artist. And it was evident on the first hole they pan to him. And he's in the goddamn desert. And he's like trying to hit these shots. And he's just, you root for him in that way because no offense to like Brooks Kevka.

But when a guy just stands up and roast one $3.50 down the middle, then hits a wedge and maybe makes the putt, maybe doesn't, that ain't going to deliver the way that Jordan Speath and when they cut to him and you just don't know where he's going to be or what kind of shot he's going to hit. Yet somehow he's making birdies. And when he did win the open on the 13th hole, he was 150 yards right. He's over by like the equipment trucks and he wins the tournament.

He's, he is so fun to watch for those reasons. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, are you talking about on the first hole of Sunday when he just pushed it right again? It was back in the desert. Yeah, that was like the T shot because speed is the guy that I feel like people can relate to in one sense of being like, well, if I just made that pot, like, speed is that guy that just like made all the puts. Certainly on Saturday, you shoot 60s.

just made all the pots. And then Sunday, they're hyping up, like, I think he was hitting fairways at like 42% accuracy. Like, it was a bad number. And you're like, all right, come on, first T shot, first T shot. And then just push right. And you're like, all right, here we go again. And he was back to it. Just working his way out of the desert. It almost didn't matter to me what happened on Sunday. Like, yeah, I wanted him to win. And that would have been great. And obviously the broadcast wanted him to win. That would have been a great comeback story. But the 61 on Saturday just to get a glimpse of it. Like now I'm just excited about

Jordan Speath going forward. Like before it was like a little it was, all right, Lurch is doing the thing where he doesn't say anything about leaving. I got to go. I mean, I didn't want to interrupt you, but now I see the time. I got to run. How's the airplane? The guy, the guy directed air traffic. You got to comment. You got to comment on when you said, is anyone staying up

for the end of this football game last night? It made me throw my phone across the fucking room. It was just over and boring. Like it wasn't that tweet. It was 9 o'clock. And you're like, is anyone's staying up for this thing and everyone's like yeah it's a super bowl it's like it's late i was having some sleepy time teams or sunday and i got to go though i got to go i got to go i don't okay good i was i almost quote tweeted saying like i can't work with this guy you know what's funny is that i think he's been better on twitter and i wanted to say that before he left because he's just

i think he's been better i recently he's his brand he's his brand i would I agree. That's better. He's making a brand for himself. It's bad tweets. But leaning into that brand has made his tweets better, I think. I haven't turned that corner yet. Maybe it's just because I'm just biased with it.

But I mean, maybe people find it to be funny. I just find it to be unbelievably annoying. Also, that tweet makes less sense when you add on to the fact that the Super Bowl, it always ends before you think it's going to end. Like when it was over last night, it was 10, 15, like, because it starts so early and there's, there's the halftime show. Everything takes a little bit longer, but they seem to bake in almost too much time because you expect it to end at 11.30 midnight, but then it ends at 10.15. And you're like, what am I

going to do for the next two hours? So him being like, does anybody stand up before the, for this game? When it was 915 was very lurch. It was very lurch. I agree. We got a lot more to get to here, obviously. You need to get into the Bookes game. Boots, Flowers. We've all gotten them. We you've all had them in our apartments, in our homes. You got to get them. It's Valentine's Day. You got to celebrate with the Bookes Company. Their handpicks source directly from the farm.

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which is a little bit of throwback to that win. He hooked his drives on 15 and on 17. So even though he wasn't playing well, he had a chance to win the damp tournament still coming down the stretch. Those swings are clearly going to be signs of, you know, he's got he's got a little ways to go like yeah he's there he's he's still got that like speed being speed i think the first person to really talk about that on this show was brandle shambly like three years ago where he just said he's like you know i'm an analyst i can break everything down i can look at the

statistics i can look at your swing planes i can look at everything but ultimately there's a there's another level that some guys just have and jordan speed doing jordan speed things and that's sort of what he was doing this last week where it's like his stats aren't great he's in the desert every time they cut to him, but he's shooting 10-161. Like, what is that? Well, that's Jordan fucking speed. So knowing that that's still in there is huge. And if he can get his game even close enough to where he could be in contention, that guy can just kind of figure it out because he's done it before. So it's nice that that speeds there. He again was ranked last in the field and driving accuracy. And the last person to rank last in Fairway's hit was J.B. Holmes in

2015 Houston Open, where the 54 leader that week was also Jordan Spieth. So this is not like, you know, crazy type of territory. It would have been a really, really, really amazing win, considering where he was hitting some of his shots. So it's not like shocking that he fizzled off a little bit come Sunday. But Jordan Spieth, he's in the field this week at Pebble and Barstool Sportsbook. So if you live in Michigan or if you live in Pennsylvania, Barstool Sportsbook, we have a boosted Jordan Speath bet this week. You can bet Jordan Speath to finish in the top 10, and it's going to be

boosted from plus 275 to plus 325 just because you're on the Barstool Sportsbook. So you can involve, Michigan, Pennsylvania, plus 325 Jordan Speath, top 10 this week at Pebble Beach. You're crazy if you don't want to root for that. Those are great odds. Those are fantastic odds. I struggled yesterday with how I was feeling about Jordan Speed because I like Jordan Speed. I think he's a great guy. He loves y'all's stuff. He loves our stuff. We love his stuff. I like the storyline that he's a crazy person. I was rooting for him to win. I hate his outfits. I what? What do you? I thought his shirt yesterday was fantastic. Oh, no. I thought it was great. You know what? The shirt was okay, I guess. But like the hat,

it's just like the colors are just so off. The hat with the square and the circle. It's like, come on, man. Like, let's come up with some other fucking logo for this guy. He's one of the best athletes to watch. He's fucking, all this guy has a little charisma and craziness, and he has a fucking mental problem sometimes on the golf course. Let's get something cool for this guy instead of this fourth grade bullshit hat from Under Armour. Not the shit on Under Armour, but that's a fucking gross little outfit that they got him rocking.

His shoes look bad, everything. He would look so good in something like, I don't know, Peter Milar or something. Like, he would just look really good in those clothing. And it just sucks that he's an Under Armour guy. Here's the other thing I'm going to say is that, With all that said, and I'm a huge Jordan Speeth guy, I struggled with like how he needs this to be Jordan Speeth, but he was cocky as fuck on Saturday.

The guy hasn't been in contention at all. Like you said, he hasn't won in four fucking years. And this guy's given pointers out on Saturday. I know he was hitting bombs, but he's pointing at people after hitting butts. Like, bro, the next day, you were the only person in the top 15 or even 20, I think,

that went over par on Sunday. Like, you are still Jordan Speath right now. Like this version of Jordan Speath, You have to overcome that, I feel like. Like, make that punt on Sunday and start pointing out the fucking guns, the shooter McGavin guns. But I want him to shoot it out on Saturday because that's what Jordan's B does. He's fucking a roller coaster.

He's a maniac. I'm just saying, let's just keep an eye on this guy. He was real cocky for the first time being back in the mix. I don't, that comes off to me as people who say this tweet aged poorly. When you're talking about- So I agree with you. I know we talk about on the show. But like when you're saying, oh, he played like shit on Sunday,

so he shouldn't be shooter McGavvin. on Saturday. Like he was feeling on Saturday. And you like it was a moment on Saturday. You like rarely you get moments like that where everybody knows. But it's been so long since Jordan Speed has been in contention. And when he's playing so well, you could just feel it on Twitter. People are like something's happening right now at the waste management. And it was Jordan Spee finally playing well forever when he just hasn't been doing it. So I disagree. I think having Jordan Speed even get a glimpse, we even get a taste of Jordan Speed being the way he was. By the way, he's only 27, which is so crazy.

So, so, so crazy. Stunning number that he's 27 years old. I agree with you, Trent. I hate the people that do that when, like, I'm watching an island again. I said this in the last podcast. Like the Islanders were winning 3-0 against the Capitals. I said the Islanders are shit-pumping the Capitals right now. And then they lost 6-3.

And they're like, what happened to the shit-pumping? Well, at the time when I tweeted it, they were shit-pumping the capitals. That was what was happening. They pulled the goal with the whole thing. The only, the thing that I will equate this to is, is like if you watch a starting pitcher and he's throwing like a perfect game and the crowd's going crazy during that game like like the journey of it is so exciting and Jordan Speed fucking whatever and then he gives up a walk off home run in the ninth inning you walk away a loser but you're in

the car and you're like that fucking guy put on a pretty good performance today like yeah he lost so like I do get that and like when guys are in those positions they're screaming in the seventh inning they're getting fucking strikeouts people aren't going near him it's the whole thing Jordan speed put on a perfect performance Thursday, Friday, Saturday was his fucking day. But to me, it's just like in golf, and people probably hate the way to say that. I guess someone

tweets GALF. In golf. You say it like in, like, um, it's just, you got to grow up. Like, that's just how I speak. You say it like shooter does actually in the, in the, in the movie. You say Gulf. People say New York accent. Would you really comment on every single time an Australian or Irish person

or every, we say things fucking differently. I have a different guy. Yeah, but if I say insurance, you roast me for 20? That's incorrect, though. That's an incorrect way of speaking. Saying gulf is incorrect. That's an accent. That's an accent.

I'm not adding fucking, like, weird verbia. I'm not adding. I was insurance not an accent. That's not an accent. That's just saying it incorrectly. What accent is gulf? I don't know. It's just like, it's my New York Italian accent.

Golf. Is your dad say gulf? Probably. I wouldn't hear it because I fucking speak like that. Can you say, can you say it normally, like golf? Golf? It makes me want to throw up. I feel like a golf ball is coming out of my mouth. Golf. To your point about eating the birds, golf.

To your point about Speeth, and this is what I will say, he only gets one of those. So Saturday was the time to do it because it was the old first time he had played that well in a very long time to get in contention. He can't do that every week. But I think for that one day specifically when it was like, oh, Jordan Speeth, he's still good at golf. That's kind of what everyone was thinking. You can't, like next week he can't be on Saturday being like, I'm fucking going crazy. and then not went on, get on Sunday. But I think for this one time, it was fine. That's fair.

If he starts throwing out Shooter McGavin at Pebble Beach because he goes four or five under on Thursday, I think we need to pump the brakes on Jordan Speed throwing out the fucking finger points. I'm saying he's not to do it on Saturday, but I agree with you, Trent. I do think he has to wrangle it back. You've got to win a fucking tournament. I underestimated, I underestimated how much I missed, like, Jordan Speed doing, like, playing great golf. He just brings it. Like, he's, there's an electricity.

People are texting. Your text groups are on fire. Twitter's on fire. Like, he just brings it. He gets people excited. And I got a side with Trent here because, like, when Tiger, if Tiger's first tournament back on Thursday, he makes a 20-footer for Birdie and gives a fist bump, we're not like, oh, Tiger needs to rain it in.

Like, we're going crazy. Tiger fucking Woods. He's Tiger fucking Woods. But what's the, like? There's a huge difference if you're going to ask what the difference is. He's Tiger Woods. Because we, what do you mean, how, Greg? We said that we would pay $150 to watch Tiger Woods fucking.

fist pump at the grocery store. You don't think that there's any comparison between Jordan Spay fucking pumping his fingers out. She said that if one guy heard of his finger out, he won't. If he doesn't win in the tournament, he can't do that. But we would, my point is we'd do anything for Tiger Wood. That's the

worst comparison of all time. We would do anything for Tregor Wood. If he fist pumped from getting a baby out of a stroller, we'd be like, fucking right, this guy's going to win next week. But if Jordan Speed did that, we'd like, this guy's a fucking idiot. I mean, we're not being like that. Like, people were excited that he pointed. I know, I'm saying us, us, this group of people that over dramatized, wait, over dramatized,

nope, overdramatized everything Tiger Woods does in the world. You cannot say that there's no difference between what Tiger Woods does on Thursday in tournament when we get pumped and what Jordan Speed does on Saturday when we get pumped. There's no comparison. Well, I think that it's golfer that people get very excited about. Am I saying Jordan Speed is Tiger Woods? No, but I'm saying there's a very clear comparison between somebody doing something that clearly is reminiscent of them being back, even though they're not actually back and they don't win the tournament, they could do that.

That's fine. That's part of the process. Just like when we talk about like when a sports team, like when your team goes to the Stanley Cup finals, like the process is actually more exciting than the result, like being really, really jacked up when they win a game in overtime, even if they end up losing, you know, the series is like that was what you lived for, was that process. So I think the process of like Jordan Speath bringing it in Trent's point is that like Sunday didn't actually matter as much is how fun Saturday was. Like if Speeth went out, shot a whole hum round and like won by, ended up winning by like a couple strokes,

I don't know if that changes the overall experience of the weekend that much. I think it does. The guy hasn't won in four years. He's Jordan Speeith. He needs to start winning tournaments. We've been talked. The guy had one good round. We're acting like all the talk we've talked about with Jordan Speeth has never happened

prior to this tournament at the waist management open. It's crazy to me that we're just forgetting that two weeks ago. We were saying Jordan Speed is off the, Cliff and he's never going to come back. But that's why it was so cool that we got that day of him. Right. But he has to win. Like it would have made a huge difference had he come out on Sunday.

It didn't go one over when everyone else in the field around him went six under, five under, three under. I mean, the only other guy in the top 30 that went over par was Justin Thomas. I mean, he's the only guy that was over par, Jordan Spey. Of course he has to come back and win. I agree. But I'm just saying that that I wasn't, I wasn't looking at the Saturday point as like, oh, better win tomorrow or this is going to be all for nothing.

Like, that's the hype. I don't necessarily think I was, yeah, I agree with that. I don't necessarily think I was thinking that. Like, he has to win because he just said that. I am excited that George Street's back in the mix. I just think if he's going to get this like cocky swagger back, you got a fucking win a tournament because that's how he got the cocky swagger to begin with. That's why he's throwing fucking stuff out of the bunkers.

And he's like, he was fucking winning. I think if he wins yesterday, the hype is just tenfold. Like, it's big right now. It's big right now. People are like, we finally remember who Jordan Speeth is. Seems like Jordan Speeth finally remember who's Jordan Speeth is. And if he had won yesterday, I think it's like, now we got another. He's just back.

We forget everything that's happened over the past four years and he's just back. I also think that the point on Saturday will age dependent on what happens in the near future. Like if he goes out and doesn't win for another year, your point, Frankie, I think will get better and better and better. Of like, that was ridiculous what he was doing on Saturday because he hasn't won in four or five years now. whereas if he goes out and wins in the next couple months, I think that then our point will age better. We'll all be like, look, see, that was like part of it. That's what got him back into it.

How do you guys feel about 2017 being four years ago? Really weird. When I see that, like, I'm coming on five years at Barstool, and like when I start seeing videos at like 2016 and 17, that feels like it was yesterday, the fact that that was four years ago, to me. Like, 2017 feels like today. I don't know how to explain that. But like 2017 feels like the right now.

The fact that it was four years ago is insane. I think when you tell me the years, it doesn't sound as crazy. When you show me the content or footage from those years, it's crazy. Like that, like Jordan Speed winning a tournament doesn't, that wasn't four or five years ago, no chance. Like us being an old Barstool HQ and like debating with Dave whether or not we can go to golf tournaments with our brand new golf. Like, that wasn't four years ago, but it was. So that part of me, yeah, I can't really. I feel like my parents, right, where they're like, oh, the eight years all blend

together and they age. Now we're there. We're like, oh, fuck, they do age. When you're a kid, time takes forever. Like when you're, you got to be at school for six or seven hours. That day takes what's now a week and a half. Yeah. What's crazier or that or the fact that Tony Feeneau finished second in tournament again?

That's not crazy anymore. That seems like commonplace. It's like that's a guy who's just, who doesn't want to just be okay on Friday, Saturday anymore. You're not going to see Tony Fiena pointing at people when he hits bombs on Saturday because he needs to fucking win a golf tournament. That's what I sometimes like to see where Tony Fino is like, I'm fucking sick of this shit now. Like, is he saying that though? I hope he's saying that. I hope Tony Fiena saying I'm sick of this shit.

I don't want to be in fucking second anymore. I'm making so much fucking money, but I just can't get it done. Dude, he finished second to Dustin Johnson over and where were they fucking Dubai at the Al Marouge golf course. I mean, he finished in fucking second, man. Dustin Johnson won that golf tournament. And it's just a shame that this guy can't get it done. And he bogeed 16 and 17 to lose by two shots. So he just is, you can't make that up.

It is a, you know, it's funny to talk about in the sense that you feel bad for the guy. yet every week he's bringing in like 500k to a million dollars so it's like okay do you really feel bad but it is uh you know on his level the guy just wants to win fucking golf tournament at this point he knows the paychecks are coming he knows how good he is how it's a statistically statistically impossible that you could be in the top five the top ten as often as he is be pretty good it's not like he collapses all these days he plays fine one of these fucking days you would think he just went brooks kebka comes out of the clouds he comes off of the the operating table, missing three cuts in a row, and he just wins a golf term.

He just goes out and just defeats Xander and Jordan, who had a four-shot lead and everybody, and just wins the golf term. So I can't Fiena one in 40 times when he's right there, just win the golf tournament. It does have to be a bit of a mind fuck because it's not as black and white as if you think about where Dustin Johnson is right now. He's like, this is where I want to be. If I can just stay somehow in this lane, I'm going to win a bunch of golf tournaments. Or if you were Jordan Speeth, where you're like, I,

suck right now. I'm terrible. I can't make a cut. I can't compete in a golf tournament. I need to improve. But then if you're Tony Fee now, you're successful, but you're just not successful enough. You're in second place every single week. So you're like, no, I'm doing well, but I'm not doing well enough. It's got to be a bit confusing to Tony, but it has to happen. It just, he has to win at some point. There's like this killer instinct that he probably thinks he doesn't possess at this point. His skill, his like mental fortitude that gets him to the point where he just doesn't need to bogey the last two out of the last three holes to win a golf tournament. He just probably drives himself crazy and just insane the fact that he lacks this this final thing of his

game where it's like closing. Just fucking close out. Figure it out. You get there and then you just got to get over this last hump. You got to just you got to defend yourself off these guys that are trying to attack you and come up and beat you in this tournament. You have to just play your game the way you played it Thursday, Friday. And he just can't figure it out, man. It will be interesting if he ever finally gets the win, which that just has to happen. If he then wins. What?

The floodgates just fucking open. Yeah. If he then, if then he just wins a bunch, like within the next six to eight months because he's like, oh, my brain figured it out. That'll be very interesting to watch. And I think it's probably likely that it will happen. It would be also fascinating if he breaks through, wins and then just stops finishing inside the top 10 altogether and then debate like did he actually did you need to dangle that little piece of cheese in front of him for the next five years would he

have had a significantly more impressive career I don't know I we'll have to wait for him to win which he's waiting on that too I mean totally we can't get our last four years is incredibly more impressive than Jordan's speed that's not even up for debate right yes not even up for Right. So it's like, it's amazing like what you said, Trent, where who would you rather be there, though, with like you know Jordan Smith probably has more talent than Tony Pino? Or is that, are you not allowed to make that assessment? Fino has more physical talent. Right. He's more physically gifted, but in terms of like golf talent. There's an, there's like an army or Navy base or something or Air Force base right next to Torrey Pines, right? Because something, either remained attacked by aliens or something just happened. where someone just took off and it just rattled the whole the whole building. San Diego's got a big time base.

I mean, never in my life have I heard anything like that. That was absolutely insane. Get out there and film on the camera boy. Sorry to like just completely derail the conversation about Tony Fino versus Jordan Speath. But for anyone that lives in the San Diego area, I mean, holy fuck, that is not something that I can get used to. I mean, that was like a bomber that went over. It was like, boom, boom, boom, boom. I mean, I thought people were being taken up into a ship from this hotel.

That's okay. That's okay. You derail it because we're going to move in anyways. A couple comments, Zander Shafley. He's 0 for 3 with a 54-hole lead or co-lead. He hasn't won in quite a while either. He said he's disappointed. You heard Jordan say that me and him have made it a two-man race.

Could have made it a two-man race, but winning is tough. I'll lick my wounds and come back. So Zander, even though he's not going to. to get the storyline that Brooks Keppkega because he won or that Jordan Speeth gets because he's Jordan Spee. Kind of sneaky that you, because we consider Zander, even keel. He's got that look that nothing phases him. He hits the ball so pure.

He went out there, didn't play great and pretty much lost the golf tournament the same way that Jordan Speed did. So something to keep an eye on with Zander. And then Steve Stricker, U.S. Rider Cup captain this year. He finished tied for fourth, just two shots back. He, as Justin Ray also tweeted, Steve Stricker, the oldest player finishing the top five in a PGA tour event. He's 53 years old, 11 months, 15 days, since Tom Watson at the 2009 British Open

Championship. So first time in 12 years that somebody that old has finished inside the top five, so a hell of a week from Steve Stricker. Peter Malar. So we're going to talk real quickly about the best pants in the game, the EB 665 pop. You got them right there. You're holding them. I got these puppies right here.

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an antique lawn bowling ball by his mother, and on that ball, I assume, was inscribed the word Peter Milar. Was Peter Milar the owner of said bowling ball? What a story. I don't know. I have no idea what to do with that information because it's, I want, like, who's bowling,

is Peter Milar's bowling ball? I don't know, but I love that story. And the fact that they took that and then they just come up with the crown. I mean, because like that has, when you're sitting around thinking of like for Butter's Bay, I was trying to think of like logos and names for the thing. When you think of the name Peter Millar, which is just a person's name on a lawn bowling ball, and you come up with that crown logo with nothing matches or makes sense, but it all works. That to me is like, that's when people are on such another level of their brain that they,

I can't tap into it. I'll never achieve that type of success or thinking or higher thinking. Good on Peter Millar. Man, I'll never think about that name the same way again. That's fucking cool name. How's the feedback been on Butter's Bay since the release? Well, people love it, man.

Yeah. Less golf course in the video game. Buttercup was this weekend. Buttercup was this weekend. Someone shot like 56 under. They tore the fucking place up. There's nothing you can do it. As an architect, you can't do anything to stop that because guys are just really good

in the video game. I tried to tell people that on the stream. They're like, well, guys, go out there and they shoot 14 under every single round. They get to hit the ball right down the middle over all the trouble that I make, and then they just hit the ball right next to the pin and they make the fucking putt. Like, that's just incredible golf. I don't know.

You can't stop that unless you make fucking Mickey Mouse crazy golf. So I didn't make Mickey Mouse crazy golf. A couple of the greens are a little. I don't like the distance debate, really. Yeah, it's just a couple guys that just are fucking good. Like, they just win. A couple of the greens are crazy. A couple people who are texting me that I'm obsessed of turtles.

But, you know, it is what it is. I mean, a lot of runoffs, a lot of false fronts. Crazy Canuck has been going crazy on Twitter about his designs and stuff. So he's been having a good time with that. So, yeah, it's been fun. PG-Tor just keeps retweeting Crazy Canuck as if he made, it was crazy. Every single time, every time I log on Twitter, it's like, go watch Crazy Canucks golf course, Butter's Bay.

I'm like, well, now, hang on now. He helped me. Crazy Connect's really good. Go follow Crazy Connuck, 1985 on YouTube. The guy's a fucking crazy person when it comes to building golf courses. Go watch them. You'll see it for yourself. Uh, next up, we have Chicago Cubs outfielder, Ian Hap.

So enjoy this chat. All right. We got Ian Hap from the Chicago Cubs. We don't really do intros here. We kind of just start talking. That's what we do too. I love it. Yeah, good.

Tell people about your podcast a little bit here. Uh, yeah, we started when we were in Arizona. We got shut down. Uh, baseball season got shut down. I was living with three other guys, uh, three of my teammates. And I was like, I'd always been interested in the podcast space. not a lot of people are doing in baseball, especially players. And so I told the guys, it was like, hey, if you're going to be living with me,

we're going to be doing this. Like, we're going to start a podcast and see where it goes. And I thought just with the downtime in sports that we would, we'd have an audience because people were craving any kind of content. We just wanted to give that to fans who wanted to connect and kind of find a way to get into people's home as well. There was no baseball on TV and just talk to them about baseball and kind of fill that void. And we were able to do it.

It's called the compound. It's been really cool. been shoot since March. So it's been really cool just to see the fan base grow and then kind of give our teammates a voice too and kind of show their personalities away from just normal media where you kind have to be a little bit more calculated on your answers. Or the Cubs during that whole process, I feel like that's like not an easy thing to be able to just like start a podcast with all the, you know, they don't want you to talk about certain things

and whatever. Sports teams are weird with that. Yeah. So I basically had to go on my own, which was like, which was fine because it gave me more freedom. And I thought about doing it with the team and trying to convince them to do something. But it just, it's difficult when they put their name on it. And they have so many sponsors tied to them. So you can't, it really limits what you can do. And then they're selling your ads.

And so that part of it was really difficult. So it's basically like, hey, guys, I'm going to do this. We're not going to say anything because we don't. You represent as a player who's employed by the company, employed by the Cubs, you represent the Ricketts family. You represent the city of Chicago and you represent the franchise. So you have to be, I do all the editing myself. So I have to make sure that anything that we say, you know, it makes sense. But it's been really nice just to be able to have that trust for teammates to say like, hey, I'm editing this.

So whatever you say to us, like, I'm not going to make you look stupid. Like I understand it. I get it. I want you to be as free as possible. trust me when it goes out you're not going to sound like an idiot how often you have to like really edit stuff out well if we have a good show you should have to edit at least a few things every episode yeah and especially when when news is breaking or when things are happening whether it's the off season or during the season um you know when me and my co-host Dakota and

Zach when we're just going back and forth and and BSing and doing even with our teammates you know we're talking about stuff that's going on publicly you know if it's a a really good show and guys are comfortable enough. I should have to do a bunch of editing. That's the best scenario ever. You having total control. I actually like the fact that you're on your own with it. You just, like you said, you have the freedom.

And I'm actually really looking forward to listening to a couple episodes of that because it sounds really enticing to me. Like, I think that's a good idea to just like get an inside look into a locker room, a clubhouse, especially when, you know, the world we're living in. We're not really getting like the access or the interviews that you used to be getting. everything's very Zoom oriented, all the questions to the, like, I'm a huge hockey fan. And like, you can't get any answers at any coaches anymore. Like after their game, it's just like they're talking to a computer and they're like,

we'll talk to you tomorrow. Like, we'll see you later. Like, if the Islander started a podcast, I'd be listening to every single second about it tomorrow because we're just, we've missed that like connection. Like, there's no more like coaches blowups at like media days or whatever. You know what I mean? It's just so fucking virtual now. It's just a joke.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is tough is huge. There's just, there's so many clicks. bait headlines. There's so many things. Guys don't want to get, they don't want to have a headline that it reads that everybody, it's this negative because the negative headlines play. As soon as something gets out there negative, everybody's going to at least take a look at it.

And that's what's fueling ad revenues at some of these companies. So for us, you know, if we can show the player's true voice and try to give them an opportunity to get their personality out there, that's what we want to be able to do. And, you saw it on the red line radio guys. They had KB on the other day, Chris on the other day, and they took one thing out of context and blew it up. And it's like that was an amazing interview. And that's the one thing that gets all the pub. It's like, we want to be better than that. It also, it's like it deterr, you know, it deters you guys from from giving and providing what the fan was, which is genuine, candid, insight response reaction to what's going on because they go on one time, Redline Radio

guys, you go on one time, you have a great interview and then it gets blown up and you're like, every time you're pushed more and more into your shell and you don't want to go out and talk and speak the way that you want to speak. Yeah, and that's the way we're going to promote our game. The way we're going to promote our game is by players going out there and having their voice and being open and honest about their feelings, letting fans in. That's what fans want that connection. And that's our responsibility to grow it in the right way. How big of a fan of baseball work? I always wonder that.

I'm such a big sports fan. And I wonder if that's because I never had a chance of actually playing in the professional sports. world. I always wondered, like, are you, like, are you just, like, were you the biggest baseball fan? Now you're just on the other side of the TV and you're like, holy shit. Like, now you can do the things that you liked when you watched it. Or do you always know you were going to get to that level? So you were kind of suppressed. No, no, I never had that. You know, I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I had some D1 baseball offers, but, like, went to Cincinnati.

Didn't, I didn't think I was going to get drafted until I got to Cincinnati and kind of, like, like, all right, it's starting to make sense. But no, I wasn't growing up like, I wasn't Bryce Harper or Chris. Right. I wasn't one of those guys that was like destined to be in the big leagues from the time they were 12. But I was a huge baseball fan as a kid. And I wasn't a huge, I was a huge golf fan and a huge baseball fan.

It wasn't like a massive sports fan and I didn't play a bunch of other sports. Like I loved baseball and I loved golf. And I was like a locked in baseball fan as a kid. Like I had, you know, one of the things I always say is like when I came up to big leagues, John Lackey, John Lester, Anthony Rizzo, like, those guys were on my team with me. And like, I was playing with my baseball cards. Like, I remember in 2017, like, I fielded a ground ball from Echro and threw him out. And I was like, I remember in 2001, like, getting this guy's rookie card.

And now I'm playing against. And it's like, what, what's happening? Yeah. I've had a lot of those. Fortunately, you know, you play against Albert Poulos and those guys. And you're like, you're literally playing against your baseball cards as a kid. And I've been really lucky to have a bunch of things. those experiences.

Fuck, that's awesome. That gave me the chills. That is. I just looked it up. I just looked it up. I mean, you were a first round draft pick. So it's not like you were,

you know, like nobody growing up. Yeah. So at what point did you think like, oh, I'm pretty good because that had to be before college. Like if I was a first round or whatever sport I played. Didn't fall ass backwards.

You got, you got in high school. There's no doubt about it. You get in basics. No, it's interesting because baseball, it can happen late. Like,

for me, I didn't get drafted at a high school. especially, we played 20 games in high school. Our high school season was 20 games. Like you have kids in Florida and California playing, like they don't stop playing. So I was, it was always kind of one step at a time. Like when I was a freshman,

I just wanted to make the varsity team. And I made the varsity team. And then it was like going through high school was I just want to play in college. I want to be a D1 athlete. And I wanted to go to a bigger ACC, SEC, SEC school, I didn't get a chance. I got really lucky that Cincinnati was the right fit for me.

I played right away. And then my freshman summer, I got a chance to go to Cape Cod and play in the Cape Cod League. And I went up on a temp deal, which is basically like a two-week contract. And then they're like, thanks for coming. All the guys from the College World Series are coming so you can go home now. And I played well enough that I stuck up there. I was an All-Star that year. I was switch hit her.

So I hit a Homer left hand and a double righty in the All-Star game. And at that point, I was like, okay. It's like, all right, now things look really. good. And so from that point on, some of the prospect things started to come out. And then I just kind of had to keep doing what I was doing and I was a first rounder. But it wasn't until then that

I was like, all right. Yes. I love to have that scene. Boy, am I good at this? That would be rolling around. Pretty good. What was your batting average in high school? I think my senior year hit 500.

No, no. What are we talking about here? That came oddly. What's that movie? What's that movie on the Cape Cod League. Summer Catch. Summer Catch. What a fucking movie.

Awesome. Trent, you're looking like you've never seen Summer Cets. No, is that Jessica Biel? Yes. Oh, I love that movie. He just said that. But yeah, I mean, you know, he's working for the dad's lawn company, the whole thing. Wow.

I mean, that, I've always wanted to go to a Cape Cod game because of that movie. And I've heard that's an unbelievable league to play. It's the best talent in the world, right? Like just all playing in the one little bit of summer league in the country. And it's also like an incredible experience. I was up there for two summers. And just a ridiculous experience. Like they made a movie about it because it's so ridiculous.

Right. You're on the Cape. You're living with a host family. And then you just play baseball every day. Like my second year up there, I lived with this amazing host family. I was in Harwich. So right next to Chad and where the movie was filmed.

And I had this incredible host family. and they're kind of like the go-to host family. They lived on a farm on the Cape. So my job was to water the pigs. Like I was watering pigs by day. And then me and my other two roommates, our job, we would split seven days a week. We would dress up as a pirate.

And we would go to the Wauquasset resort, like the famous resort there. And we would serve the buffet to kids. Made 20 bucks an hour, two or three days a week, dressing up as a pirate. Like that was my summer catch job. and then I would play baseball in the afternoons. It was like the craziest. And then I watered the pigs.

Like that was my summer. And it's just like mind blowing to think about. The dude scooping mac and cheese at a pirate outfit was throwing out each row three years later. Yeah. That's exactly. That's such a joke. Yeah. Just absolutely made no sense.

That's amazing. Holy shit. Did you get to play any golf there when you were in the league? Yeah. There was this awesome course. It's called Cranberry. Valley, I believe. It was this awesome course right next to the field. They had a, I like this amazing deal. It's like 75 bucks for the whole summer if you were a player. And so we would just,

every off day we had go play there. It was a great little set up, great fun track to walk. Do you consider one of our very good buddies, Jared Corabas? Do you consider them like a podcast rival? No. I don't consider anybody in the baseball space. base, a podcast rival, because I think it's all growing the game. I don't know that we're necessarily competing for views because, you know, ours is more Cub focused, I guess, but at the same time, like, we're trying to grow our base. And if we would love to collaborate with them or with the John Boy guys, like we want people talking about baseball as a player, is somebody that like really wants to promote the game and wants to stop losing fans and stop losing butts in the seats. Like, I want

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You mentioned golf multiple times. This is a golf podcast, even though right now we're a baseball podcast. Joel Damon, the rumor has that you were in that, you know, you were in his crew playing with him when he shot his 58 and you played pretty well that day, but still got your ass kicked. I played really well and shot three under and he beat me by 11 shots. The guy shot 69 and he beat me by 11. Hey, what? Wow. I was in the middle of my round, getting a little nerve.

Like, I was on 15. I was like, I'm playing pretty good today, boys. Like, I'm a little nervous. And then I look up and I'm like, wait, Joel's 15 on, like, he was 12 under one, but I'm like, what, what's happening? He made everything. And every time he stood over a putt, it didn't matter how long it was, he was making it. It was, it was fun to watch.

I mean, we played with him. We just did a scramble against him. And he's the kind of guy, and I love Joel. But, like, his brain is just like, I don't care about. this that's going on whatever i i somehow get paid to play golf on the weekends and that's about it i can't imagine watching him get was he dialed in like was he locked in like because at some point you go for 59 58 like it's it's it's like he realized it everyone realized it he didn't he didn't know he made his put on 18 think he made an eagle on 18 he made his eagle put on 18 and every and he was like

everyone was like oh that's amazing holy shit and he was like did i shoot 60 and And you're like, no, you shot 58. He's like, what? And he like, threw his putter in the air. And I'm like, you didn't even know. But yeah, I was, I was knee knocking to two putt for 69. And you're over here being fine shooting 58 having no ideas. Like, holy shit.

You also, like, you shoot in 69. You must have been like, I don't care what you're doing, Joel. Like, I'm in, I'm shooting 69. I don't care if you shoot 40. Like, I'm out of career low. That was, it tied my career low. But that was my other, my, I shot a two under. 69 and then I shot that was a three under 69.

We've had this debate actually recently. What is what's a better app? Well actually it doesn't really. Actually that doesn't work. It's a little different. Yeah, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. We've had the debate where it's Lurch, what'd you shoot?

So my low is. So I shot even par 73 and then I shot a one over 71. So I say my low is even par 73. What would you say? That's a tough one. Yeah, not many people are in that predicament. I think your low score is a 71. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the least number of total strokes it took you to finish 18 holes. But at the least, I shot even par. That's my love. Yeah, but I do think like even par is a landmark. So it's really hard to say like you want to be able to throw out an even par because it sounds a lot better than saying you shot one over. Now, now, 703 is a horrible even par.

Like that's a, it's too bad that. it's one of the worst places to shoot even pars. That's also, yeah, it's the course's fault mostly. I agree with you. Now Lurch is in a brutal spot where somebody asks them like, oh, it's your career low and they got to hear about two fucking full rounds. No, I just say I shot even ones. I've seen a lot of people on the internet saying that the 70,

you always said the 73 even par is more impressive, but people have said because of the adding in of the extra par five, it's actually less impressive to score lower to par on the 73. I mean, yeah, I kind of disagree about that. It's just a worthless argument. Like sometimes par fives are horribly hard. Sometimes par three, like those can flip-flop. So that's just-

Generally known that par-fives are easier than part-three. You have more strokes to be able to get a par on that at all. You do. That's the argument. You have more options of those. Yeah, you can screw it up. But now you're playing fucking devil's advocate. I'm just saying it's a fact you have more strokes to be able to get the bar.

that the scoring average on par fives is lower than the scoring average on par threes yeah so 69 for i mean i mean that's that's good fucking that's a good transition because nobody wants to talk about this anymore no especially not with you involved thank you you're just the panning during a bunch you're just a negative nancy these days imagine let's go to ian for a second let's talk about our guest yeah welcome to the this is just the part he is just on the podcast now he's not even a guest he's just on I feel like I'm just part of the crew now. Thank you. We're happy to have you.

You go out, you fire your career low, and you had to have lost every way to Joel. No, so we were playing, I think we were, I don't know if we were, we had, so we had six guys and we were playing a three, because we were at Mesa, you know, we had six guys, we were playing a three B three game. And I was on Joel's team. Oh, God. So we stomped them. It was, it was me and Joel. And I think Debo, who you guys met. And then Schwabor, Harkins, and our sixth, they were all together.

And we stumped. The sixth is really an afterthought there, huh? And whoever the six person is. No. Just a bunch of name brands. You guys just all the other names you guys know and you don't know his name. So me throwing it out there wouldn't really help the story at all. But all the other guys, you know who they are.

That was like when we. When we were at Mammoth Dunes a couple years ago, and we decided to play Vegas. You ever played Vegas where you got to have like your, if you post a four and your teammate posts a five, you have 45. And like the difference in the team score on that hole is how many points you gain.

And if you make birdie, yeah, it's a great game. If you make birdie, you flip the other team score. So like they had a triple and a par. they go from 47 to 74, all of a sudden you, you pick up like 40 points on them. Well, this, we go to Mamet Dunes and we decided to play like Vegas one round and fucking Lurch, shoots his career career low. That was when he shot his 73 that he talks about all the time. And his partner played lights out too.

So every hole, like a good game of Vegas, you clean somebody out, you know, you win by like 30 points. We were down like 190 points. And we're just like, what are we doing? He made like seven birdies flipping our score. I'm over there, slap dicking it around, making doubles. We just got cleaned out. It was so rattling.

That's what this game was like. And we had, it was three on three. And I think you took the best two of the three scores. And so we had, I think our three balls were 58, 69, 70. And then the other and then, you know, Schwerve was getting some shots. But it didn't matter. I mean, we, we smoked them. And it felt good.

Jesus. There's nothing better than smoking the other team. I mean, it feels great. When we played Vegas at Mammoth, I think I made five or six birdies on the day, but the front I had, I want to say three or four, I was just on fire. And, I mean, they're scrambling looking for answers and they got none because none of us really know how to improve our golf game mid-round. It's either you have it or you don't.

And like at one point, I think I made an eagle. And it's like, well, what is that? Does that like add a zero to the Vegas score? Like, what is an eagle do? Do we just get fucking somebody pulls out a pistol and shoots us in the face and around it over? So what they resorted to was they were, one of his buddies,

Dougie starts telling me that I have like a Mattyana hitch at the top of my swing. Like, you're all doing this thing. And so then they're trying to like mess with my mental psyche. Complete battle. But, yeah, I mean, when you're when you're just pounding somebody,

there's nothing. Yeah, we resorted to like unsavory warfare to try to, defeat Lurch and it just didn't work. It sucks, man. It sucks getting cleaned out. But, you know, being on the other side of that, it must have felt good. 58, because I mean,

I don't think he broke 70 when he played against that. That's what he's, I talked to him in Debo and said it wasn't his best round out there at Mesa. No, definitely not his best. But obviously a good player. I mean, he was at, it's like, it's fun to see that, and stuff, like trying to actually win rail

money because he was that like kind of just not that great when he played against us he doesn't he doesn't miss fair i don't know if he missed him with you guys but like the guy just doesn't miss fairways and he's so confident when he talks about his game like he was like i will not miss a fairway he's like i just am so good it's like oh my god it's like it's got it's got to mean something coming from you because we've heard just so many good things obviously shooting 69 twice but like chris bryant was even talking right on his latest interview that like you're like essentially a pro golfer like you try and play as much as you possibly can i mean i think you use the term like pro golfer with you that's that's a very high compliment i do try to play as much as i can i spend my off seasons

in austin texas literally austin's awesome and i love it but also so i can be outside and play golf like i i love playing golf i grew up around it my dad was an agronomist for the u sGA um so i grew up around the game he was a great player who's a scratch golfer and so uh it's just something that i've been doing since i was a little kid i played in in high school I played on the golf team. So golf was a fall sport in PA, so I could play golf in the fall and baseball in the spring. But I was never like,

I was never that good. I just, I've played a lot. I've been around the game for a long time. My game got a lot better after I got to the big leagues actually and like could had that time in the offseason to work on it. And so now my, my game's pretty tight.

I think I'm a point seven right now on the old handicap, which we'd love to see. But it would, that's like, I'm a point seven. People are like, this guy's a pro golfer. actually the pro golfers are like plus sixes.

So like I'm not that good. So there was never a moment where it's like baseball. If I take this path, I'm going to be professional baseball player. If I take this path, I'm going to be a pro golf. No. Like I feel like if I dedicated a lot of time to golf, like hopefully when I retire, I'll be able to have a lot of time to play golf. I feel like I could get myself to a plus two or plus three.

Like I feel like if I really grinded on the things that like my short game and like actually hitting the ball in the fairway more often, like that like if I really grinded on my game and got it consistent and played enough like yeah i think i could get to a plus two or plus three and like be very competitive uh but no i'm nowhere near as good as those guys i got i got to a plus one um that's my best people were like this guy's a pro golfer like actually know i played against a pro golfer and i shot my career low and i lost my double digits so yeah actually yeah actually that's a difference that guy gets paid to do it and he beats me by 11 right 58 is such a fuck you number that's just that's a video game that's like a pretty good round on tiger woods 2004 like

that's pretty that's 58 that's using tiger vision for every put like every single put you tiger visioned it in and it told you exactly where to hit that's what it was like watching we played 2k and we've never broken 60 ever and with the easiest settings possible my two game my 2k game is pretty tight seriously yeah we're all right we're gonna have to play with you we have this whole society thing we've got like 130,000 people in our society. We built this thing up like you wouldn't believe. We should have you all one of these streams one of these days. I have anybody do play like,

Frankie and I play a lot of alternate shot. Yeah, we do alternate shots. You got a second guy that you want to play against me and Frankie. We're down. I bet you Dakota would do it. One of my podcast hosts. You want Xbox or PlayStation? PlayStation.

Okay, so I could play them, but I'd have to find another partner. Maybe Jeff D. Lowe or something. Yeah, Trent, you're out of here. You're out of there. I'm an Xbox. I don't know. I don't know if I'm doing all the settings, right? I'm not like a huge gamer, but my game is, like, I try to put it on the hardest settings.

And I still, like, my game is really good. Dude, I don't want to, like, hype myself up, but I- You're a good game, though, right? Everybody wants a guy like you who's just good at everything. It's just good at everything you do. It's a good game, though, right? Like, it actually makes you play real golf. Like, if you're in a bad spot, you punch it out, like, you're in high, rough, you can't

make it to the green, you're in a bad lie. It's going to push it right. It's like, it's really crazy how the engineering is, like, that game has been built. Yeah. And it's, it's awesome that you actually, like you said,

like you have to play the game. You have to make the ball go high or low. Like the wind is a huge problem. Yes. And you hit a lot of bad shots stirring around. Yeah. No, I know.

It's amazing my bad short game has actually evolved into this virtual reality because I'm just like sculling them now. It's crazy. You can get the yips in the video game. It's nuts. You can't let that happen. No.

No. No. You guys spent a lot of time in Pinehurst, didn't you? Over the pandemic. One of our guys did, he spent 99 days and then cried when he left. Sure. It's not funny. I mean, everyone laughs when I say that.

It's just a fact. It was just the way you talk. It's just what you said it. You got to get more positive. You got to get some sunshine on you or something. I know. I know. Yeah, Rick spent, yeah, like three months there, over three months there.

It is, Pinehurst is golf mecca. Couldn't agree more. I mean, Look, we've talked about a lot on the show. These guys have been there a handful of times. It's the best. And the, like the, so we have the Barstall Classic Championship, which is our big tournament that we do there. We have the championship there in November.

And really, like, I've obviously been there a lot, so I get how great it is and there's reasons that I like it. But there's nowhere else on Earth, golf-wise, where everything just, like, comes together like it does at Pinehurst, where you have the cradle, the Pinners number two, pinnors number four, the thistle. do like there's no main campus even you go to a band and you go to a cabit like you take little shuttles here and there but like everything comes together at piner's and you can just wander around that area in front of the clubhouse for a week straight and have the best time ever if you're a golfer so yeah we like pioneers on this show it's it's it's disney world everything clicks is everything's the schedule it's crazy it's it really is disney world for golf and that's the only the only way i can never explain it. Have you been there yet? Yeah. So my, I have a, one of my uncles has a condo there

on property. So I went, shoot, it's like eight years ago now when I was in college and we played, we played, I think eight. We played Carolina Country Club and then we played two. And then I went back last off season with my brother and two of my best buddies. And the cradle was like, everything was done, right? It was completely different. You know, number two was redesigned when I played the first time as well. But it was like going back as a adult, like better golfer and with buddies and getting to experience it with the cradle and the putting course. Everything I was like, this place is amazing. I wanted to go.

We wanted to make an annual trip every year and then 2020 ruined it. But like that is that place is awesome. And Donald Ross is a dickhead because that number two is so hard. Like it's so hard. I, with the whole day, it was like thought I was hitting good shots and just beat my ass. Dude, there's no worse feeling than what you get on number two

because you don't get it on many golf courses. Then watching your ball on an approach shot land on the green, bounce, has some spin on. It's a good shot and it just won't stop rolling. And the caddies are yelling at it and you're yelling at it. And everybody knows we can yell at this ball as much as we want, but that thing ain't stopping. and when it finishes, it's going to be in a terrible place,

even though you hit a pretty good shot. And that's just finest number two. Like, it'll beat you in the face. And yet they've got four, which is much more playable. They got a bunch of courses. They got the cradle. So, like, yeah, it's just got a little bit of everything. But, like, you touch on a little bit of something like when you can play good golf.

Like, there's just nothing better than playing really cool golf courses and playing good golf. Like, it's just, like, relative to your level, whatever your level is, playing, like, well for you at a course or a trip like that is. the coolest experience of people being going to have. Yeah. And the best is that when you go to Pinehurst and you're playing number two and the caddy's like, yeah, you see the flag, don't hit it there. You're going to want to hit it 25 feet to the right and you have a circle that's about three yards and you can hit it there. And if you don't hit it there, it's not going to be great.

You're like, perfect. My game is good enough for that. Thank you. Yeah, that's not a problem. I was actually, I was like more deflated playing that course the second time because I knew how difficult it was on the first team. Like the first time I played, I was okay, kind of just hit it at, you know, targets or whatever. But I got so deflated towards the end of the round that the next time we went around like a week later or whatever the case is, I was just like, I don't even want to do this on the first team. Like, this is just going to be humiliating for the next four hours. Like, I'm not going to enjoy this. And so, yeah, he's a jerk and he's really made a hell of a golf course. I mean, if there's a championship golf course, it's that

one. It's just impossible. And if you don't hit it in its spots, you just might as well not plug. I mean, 69 is not happening at number two. It's a course where I heard the term jail used by my academy more like, like just be like, oh, it's jail over there. Like as they're picking up my bag, like under their breath, just be like you're done. You're not getting out. Like you're not getting it up. You're not getting it down.

You're staying there. Like my God, what did you just fucking stay big ass just fucking jail over there? Like just as he walks over. So there and there's really not much to it. Like it's kind of just like a simple golf course. But there's spots where it literally is jail. You are locked away forever. because it's just going to come right back at your feet if you don't hit the perfect shot.

It's a nightmare of a golf course. That Donald Ross, we stayed in Donald Ross's little cabin. We saw all his little cute drawings and what he was going to do to ruin the world. So, yeah, that was fun. Most of his designs are, the greens are like that, like they're just rude. But I used a lot of putters around the green there. There was not a lot of wedges out of my hand. I don't hit it high and soft very well.

So there was a lot of Texas wedges being used. Totally. You got that. He has a obsession with turtles. Weird obsession with turtles. I think a lot of turtles are around him as he was designing the greens. Weird obsession with turtles. They're all shaped like that.

They're terrible. Yeah, you can go insane around those greens. It's very easy to do. It actually probably benefited you that you're like, I'm not a high and soft guy, so I'm going to just resort to the putter right away. Because you usually take people a handful of holes, and they fucking ping ponged it around the green for four holes straight,

and they've given up 15 shots before they realize, okay, I'm just going to put it like Martin Timer did when he won the U.S. open. Yeah. I was like, I'm not doing this. Like, if I miss the green, I'm being okay with the bogey and I'm refusing to make doubles. Let me ask you this. You're a professional hitter of baseballs. And then you go out and you play golf.

There's no, and I ask us every time we have a baseball player on, there's no like mental block to hitting a golf ball and then being able to go out there and hit a baseball. Like the difference in playing, the difference in loading, weight shifts, the whole deal. I've done it for so long. that I think they're pretty separate for me. I do think that in the middle of the season, especially getting back on the range, like if we're playing an off day, my baseball swing will leak into my golf swing a little bit.

But it takes, you know, takes 10 minutes on the range or two holes for me to figure it out. And like if my baseball swing leaks in and I have to play a fade, until I figure it out, like then I'm just like, I'm okay with that. Like I know what I do for a living and I just.

What is leaking in? Explain that. Like, what do you feel? Like in baseball, like the sequence of the golf swing, creating that lag and like the upper half really takes over in baseball. Like I can get very rotational at the top and like I can get really quick. So if I and when I take to my golf swing, if my sequencing isn't right and I get quick at the top, like then I'm going to come across it and you're going to see some balls going left or right pretty hard. Like, I have to, if my sequencing isn't right and I can't figure that out, like, I can't find the bottom of my swing, that I'm just going to play, like, kind of gross cuts around the course until I can figure it out. But, like, I know, I know when I get on the range, like, all right, like, it's not there.

So I'm going to have to just play that until I can figure it out. Yeah, it is. It's, it's interesting that you wouldn't worry about it going the other direction. Right. You wouldn't worry about your golf swing leaking into your profession that makes you a ton of money and ultimately drives your entire life. it's a good point i think we do that so often like i you know just so many reps and so many reps and you're practicing every day that like the guys that think one day of golf is going to ruin their baseball swimming i'm like that doesn't make how does that make any sense like you've done

you're telling me that you hit baseballs 300 days out of the year and you've done it for the last 25 years but this one day you go play golf like oh maybe you're going to lose your baseball swing for the rest of your life. Like, I don't think that that's necessarily going to happen. But I understand trying to protect the thing that makes you a bunch of money. I get that. For me, it's more of like you're playing this game that's so fucking fast. And like, that's another conversation, like, how you guys even see these fastballs

and slides as you can see the rotation. But then all of a sudden, like, after a crazy game of baseball, you can just go on this crazy relaxing setting where the ball's not moving. Like, that juxtaposition to me is nuts. that you're able to kind of like excel at both of those like I would think that one would be just not like you almost need this like adrenaline fast 100 miles an hour fucking revved up like crazy sport to be able to hit a baseball golf ball that's just sitting there to me I just don't think I can't believe you can do both I don't know yeah golf is definitely an escape so like golf is definitely a nice way to get away from having 40,000 people watch you do what you do for a living but all. Also, there's a lot of the same mental challenges. Like, mentally in baseball, you just fail over and over and over. Like, you're just constantly failing as a hitter and you have to get over that.

Like, you have to figure out a way to be positive and to move on every day. And it's happening whether you want to get bats or not, you're getting four or five at bats every day. And most of them are going to suck. And so you have to figure out a way to get over that. And like golf shot, like you have between 70 and 90 golf shots in a round. and like a lot of them are going to suck and you have to figure out a way to get past that and like keep moving forward.

So a lot of the mental challenges are the same and I think it's really good practice for both sports to be able to keep moving forward and keep going on to the next shot or the next pitch. I think a lot of those things are why I like both sports and why they kind of each serve me well. That's good. I like that. That is interesting.

It's amazing how you can, like how similar skill sets or mindsets or mental approaches can be applied to different things and clearly be successful because you're way better golf than we are. So overall that's, I mean, it makes sense. Like, oh, yeah, of course, Ian Hapsch is better than we are at golf because he's a better athlete and he's got a better mindset and approach. But hearing you actually explain it, it kind of hurts even more, to be honest. We need to, we need to, you're in Arizona, right? We need to play in Arizona. Yeah, I know. A bunch of you guys are here or coming are going to be here for the next several weeks,

month and a half, whoever it is. So, yeah, we got to get out and play. It's going to be, we're all of a sudden, like, this is baseball season for us for the next month and a half, it would be like with you guys all over the place. Yeah, there's, and there's so much good golf in Arizona. There's just a ridiculous amount of good golf in Arizona. It's, like, I didn't really realize I've been here a handful of times, but it was usually for a work trip or to go to the waste management or a bachelor party be in and out.

I think that if you're obviously if you're if you're the common average golfer, I think that Scottsdale or Phoenix area is the best area to be in the entire country. Like I think if you're a really well off person that belongs to a private club, like you're going to find a really awesome course in any city in the world or in the country. If you're just like, because there's so much land here, the weather is so consistent that the superintendent can get every course in great shape because they just know what the weather's going to be. And there's so much space. So like we're talking like up in the New England area in New York, like even the courses like

wing foot or baldish are like they didn't even have driving rates. Their driving range you can only hit like an eight iron because they don't have that much space. Out here like every public course even has like a full practice facility, an awesome driving range, two or three putting greens where you can go out and chip and put. It's like and then all the courses pretty much have sweet views. and are in great shape. So overall, for any average golfer, like this has got to be the best place

or one of the best places in the entire country out here. Especially this time of year, because once the overseed hits for them, it's just plush and it's just awesome. And the grass grows back really quick, and even there's a ton of play, but the courses handle it really well.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Arizona golf. Do you guys have a favorite place in the country? I love talking about golf with people who love golf. Do you guys have a favorite place? place in the country, a favorite group city area to play golf? Man, that's tough. I would say, like, this time of year, I don't like Florida. I hate Florida.

I'm on that, like on record saying that many times. So this time of year, I would say the Scottsdale area by far. I don't know that you get more golf per capita that's like really, really good. good golf than the North Carolina area, like that Pinehurst area, there's mid pines, pine needles that are right down the street, southern pines, which they just bought and are going to do awesome. Like tobacco roads, one of the coolest courses any of us ever played. And like, we didn't even talk about it because there's so much other good golf around there. So North Carolina's up there.

Obviously, you could say Monterey, you could say Long Island, like Frankie's a Long Island guy. Like Long Island is as good as it gets. But again, I think a good amount of that is like private golf, which is nothing wrong with that. there's Beth Pages. There's like Montauk Downs. It's supposed to be awesome. And there's plenty of good public golf out there. But, but yeah, there's those.

I mean, I would say North Carolina, Scottsdale, Long Island, Monterey. Those are probably like top five for me and probably for most people. Yeah, well, they just answered for all of us. But I mean, you took all the answers. Took all the answers. All the good ones. Do you have one place you like to play golf? Let me tell you all the places that are great to play golf.

Yeah, I'd like to be in Scotland. I'd like to be. Yeah, it's all great. Monterey Peninsula is just a fake-like place. I really haven't been to California that often. And when we went to Monterey Peninsula for the U.S. Open, and we went actually prior to that to do this like, this like Mulligan Challenge thing with our boss.

But that was like the first time that I felt like I was in a movie where I was just stunned from the views. Pebble Beach took my breath away. We went to MPCC. We went to Spyglass. I find it hard to find anything even similar to that in the entire world. I haven't traveled that much, but I mean, I've made the argument that you can build the Shinnock Hills in any single part of the area of the country. You just need a lot of land and mounds and stuff, but you can't build or recreate Pebble Beach because it's built into the cliffs of Monterey Peninsula.

You just like can't recreate that. I've got a lot of hate for that comment, but I stand by it. I think that's stuff that you really, you know, you sculpt it into these cliffs and the ocean. I'm a sucker for water and I'll always pick that. I'm a sucker for review, man. You put a dog track, a dog shit public track on the fucking ocean. And I'm fucking, I'm loving it. I'm absolutely loving it.

I hear that. I love seeing water that does not affect my golf game. I love looking at the water. I don't necessarily like having to hit. Like, I don't love an island green because it's terrifying. Yeah. But I like looking at the ocean and I'm not going to hit my ball in there. Yeah, see, but you definitely have a different take on golf courses coming from an agronom

family, right? I mean, like, your dad, like, loves the grass and, and that's a weird thing to say, but, um, just loves grass, yeah, he just loves grass. Well, listen, I've had a newfound love for agronomy because we do this like behind the green set segment that we did at Wingfoot. I never knew any of this shit existed. I actually used to, I used to hate on Super's and that whole entire world. Well, because you're a troublemaker. Because I'm a troublemaker. I used to fucking hop, yeah, I used to hop fences and leave and leave fucking darts on these greens. and then leave. But I've grown.

I've adapted. I wasn't canceled. Cancel culture didn't get me when it came to my hopping over the fence that eyes and now are blue. I was able to learn from my mistakes. And now I have a newfound love and respect for agronomy and superintendents and all these things. I fucking love that world, man. Like what it takes like the different chemicals that cause different types of grass and different types of reactions.

And like, I mean, when we did this video, we had Steve Rabbit who telling us that the grass likes to live at 59 degrees. When he said that line, I go to bed and I repeat that line to myself. I don't even know what that means, but I know that grass is a living thing. The cosmos. We can get into this, but I respect your dad. And I think that that's a really cool thing. My whole point about this, it's a fucking long-winded talk,

is that I believe that you probably like the architecture of golf courses a little bit more than I do. I just, like, don't come from that, like, viewpoint of golf. Did you guys get to play Pacific Dunes at all when you were in Monterey? It's a little public track. It's got nine holes. It's like 5,800 yards. It's got nine holes away from the water and nine holes in the dunes on the water. It's ridiculous.

I went out there. We took my mom out two years ago for a 60th birthday or last year for a 60th birthday. And I brought my sticks. Didn't get to play golf except for when everybody left and I was there by myself for one day. Paid 50 bucks. I like made all these last minute calls. Like I made like a MCD. call. I made last minute calls to all the clubs up there. I got no takers. Like shit.

So I paid 50 bucks. Went to Pacific Dunes. This place was awesome. Like the nine holes on the water were amazing. I've heard it's phenomenal. Yeah, that's like Pacific, is it Grove? Pacific Grove. Pacific Grove, that might be it. I think that's it. But I've heard and seen that that's kind of where like the locals go out and play if they're going to do their ocean round and that it's really, really good. And those are kind of like, those are the courses we want to highlight more. Like that's, we need to get out there. We need to see that kind of course. And I, like what Frankie's saying is, I think like, everyone would agree with on some level. Like there's a reason that like cliff front property is more expensive than property in the middle of

fucking note, right? Like, that's just people are attracted to the water and views. So I think that's, that's going to be true for for most people. to some degree. Looking at the ocean is just, it does not be it. It's just awesome. Yeah, I mean, Tori showed as well as it could potentially have shown, I think. It was like, once the weather cleared up, that was some of the most beautiful golf I've ever. I mean, that was incredible.

The way of Tori, the way they have like every whole outline by the cart path, for some reason, they make cart pass look like the best they've ever looked. I usually hate the look of cart pass on golf courses. Even in 2K, like when I build my own course, by the way, Butter's Bay is coming out. It's unbelievable. We're putting the finishing touches on this fucking thing, but we just came up with the logo. I can't stop thinking about it. I don't put carp paths there because I just think it makes it look weird.

But when you look at Torrey Pines, it's like the outline of each hole is the carp pad, which is very unique and weird, but looks amazing because of the ocean for some reason. I love, I agree with you, Lurch. I think it showed real well. Yeah, it did it. Was that a little laugh. Well, there was nothing. I mean, I'm talking about the course of them. you just go on a tangent of cart pass.

I mean, whatever. Yeah, I'm glad that we think the same thing about the course. You obviously love the card pass. I like the cliffs in the ocean. But, hey, tomato tomato. It's, yeah, for some reason that that just caught my eye this whole week. Have you guys played much golf in Chicago? Not a ton.

Where did we have the classic, those two courses? So, Cog Hill, we were at last year, and the number four course. And then we did Harborside, another. time. I've played a lot at Skokie. You've been up to Skokie before? I haven't actually played Skokie. Did you guys play dubs at Coghill? Yeah. So hard. It's so hard. So yeah, we didn't, we don't play in it. Like it's sort of, it's our tournament and for the, for the fans and the people. So, but watching, it looked really hard. It's a challenge. There's a ton of good golf in Chicago, most of it is private. There's, there's, there's clubs everywhere. But there's just like Chicago,

there's a hundred and that's hundred's too high but there's like 25 great courses you've never heard of in Chicago that are just they they do that right they want to be under the radar it's one of those courses where it's like their goal is to not know not have people know that they're there and just the people that enjoy it enjoy it but yeah there's like butler there's shore acres there's obviously Chicago like these clubs but no we haven't played a ton in the Chicago area probably for that reason that it's like all pretty the best golf there is is all pretty private i guess the best golf like new york's pretty similar where the best golf in new york there's there's 50 phenomenal golf clubs in the tri-stay area uh but they're all for the most part private like that's

why beth page black sticks out because it's one of a few that's such an awesome golf course that's public that you have you ever played new york golf a little bit we went one time uh played piping rock on Long Island was awesome. Had a great host out there when we were playing, I was playing the Mets, I think. We went out and played that place. Awesome. Actually, I haven't played Maidstone once on an off day with a buddy.

That place is ridiculous. That place is great. It's got like such a beach, beach little vibe to it. Yeah, I was all about that place. That, of course, is so much fun. I think those were the only two that I've really gotten a chance to play. But I would love to the Hamptons or any of that.

I don't know those tracks up there. There's so much good golf. So good. So good. Yeah. New York. I mean Rock's got one of my most favorite driving ranges of all the time. Like when you walked, it's the most incredible thing.

I know Frankie's played some high school golf there. Yeah. I think it's probably my most favorite driving range warm up area because when you leave the men's locker room, I mean, this place is private above private. It's insanity. But you walk down this hill and it's everything so expansive. And you can see, I think it's out to like, the third and fifth hole.

It's just so open and beautiful. I don't know. I can't really put it in the word, but it's probably my favorite driving range. When they redid that driving range, I remember it was like the cover of Gulf Digest being like, it was called something, like the pearl of Long Island.

And like they put all this fucking money into this driving range. And I remember thinking like, why is so much hype being put into a practice facility? Like this is crazy. Like everyone was talking. You went to the fucking deli. Like you hear about this practice. facility at Biparovic. People were going crazy. And then we played, we played high school golf

there. And I remember being like, holy shit. Like, this is insane. It's an insane facility. When you think about it, though, it's nothing. It's just flat and open. There's not like, it knocks you in your face for some reason. Like, I don't know what it is. I can so easily envision high school like Frankie for like a week, walk around. Like, how about these fucking losers talking about this practice facility. Like, what a bunch of dwee. I was when I hated agrona. And then the next second that he's fucking lees, like, calling his dad.

He's like, dad, you got to see this practice facility. It's the best. Dude, there's some really cool fucking facilities out here, too. I mean, like, yeah, no, when you play the Mets, you got to come hit more Long Island courses. There's a lot of them right here. Garden City Men's Club right here. I mean, there's a lot of really good places right, right near the city.

Yeah, we always have a couple guys, like pitchers that try to go play Pine Valley. try to make a track to go see some of those really good courses around Both the Straw and some of the other ones. But there's just there's so much good golf. We had one time we were in New York and Lackey was retired. So Lackey and Malar and DeRosa flew in. They were in Cabot, Nova Scotia, and then they flew into New York, caught one of our games and then played like Balthasdrax next day. It was like, like that's good. I like what you guys are doing.

I like this trip. I want to be a part of this. yeah cab it's great man there's so much good golf out there it's it's one of those it's it's a very rare thing where i feel like every time you you check a new course off the list you add 10 more because you're just during that round you hear about these and next thing you know it's like how can there be this many awesome golf courses out there but that's the beauty of it we got a great way to travel too oh it's the best way to travel anytime someone asks me if they should pick up golf I always say like it's just the number one enhancer of seeing the world.

Like you get to go to places that you would never go to. You get to have an event. Like every time you travel to a state or city, you're like, what are we going to do today? We're going to go see whatever is like touristy. We're going to see the bell that cracked in 1875. Whatever's going to happen. I got that number wrong by the way for Philly. Like it could have been not even close.

I mean, not even close. And but like adding golf, rounds in just makes like that trip so much more worth it. You get to see the most visually beautiful parts of the country in some spots. And you also get to like experience a restaurant there, maybe the local beer, the local food. Like it really just enhances travel. That's my biggest takeaway for why to pick up the game of golf at a later age. Someone in our office, Jen, who was a head of production, it was like, oh, I'm looking to get to golf. Like, I think it's just so much fun when you guys like travel, you get to just play awesome places.

I'm like that is the number one reason why you should go. It's to just like see the world. Yeah. Lester and I would, in 2018, especially, we would go and we would look through the schedule and we would be like, all right, here are all these cities. Like this is where we're going to play in this city. This is where we're playing in this city. Like every place we would go, we would just find the best couple tracks and like find a connection.

And the golf world is so connected. That's like the other coolest part about golf is like you know a buddy who knows someone in this city. this crazy web of people that just love the game and want to, like, host each other and want to show you their course. And it's a great community. It is too, like you're saying, because you're going to meet kindred spirits. You're going to meet people that are like-minded like you. You can sit down and talk through golf, golf courses, you know, your games. It's just, it's the best. That's why we do a golf podcast, you. That's why we're here. That's what we're doing. That's why everybody loves you because they can,

they can relate. Everybody loves the game. Not everybody loves us. That's the only incorrect. Completely inaccurate. Looks like the Liberty Belt cracked in 1824 is the year. So 50 years up, 53 years off? Not too bad. No. I'll certainly not what a thought. Within the margin of error.

Yeah. I thought it was more related to maybe a year somewhere around 1776, but I, you know, I could be wrong. Again, I'm just, I did a very fast Google search and now I'm just going with 1824. I'm not a bell expert. So I believe that. I'm sure a quick search would be better than what I can come up with. All right, Ian. well we appreciate it we love your passion for golf and um Arizona we got to we got to play

we got to get out and do it we got to get you in the mix on one of these bars so classics because we can't have jeff mcneal being the only baseball player that plays in these things and wins it Jeff's game's tight though it is tight but like you shoot 69s and lose by 11 strokes like you can fucking play golf it's a good point I would I would love to play in it my invite must have got lost in the mail fuck you're invited now you're invited now you're invited now COVID screwed it. That's we're just going to blame it on that. Fair.

I want to see your podcast too. I'm trying to get Carl to go to five iron in Chicago so I can beat him on camera. Five iron is awesome. We, I mean, we've spent many of late nights and the five iron in New York and now they're expanding all over the place. So yeah, that place is a very good time. Yeah, it's the best. The one in Chicago is awesome.

Carl's a huge golfer. He's going to Pioneers pretty soon, I think, actually. Really? He's a big golf guy. He loves it. Yeah, I was trying to connect with him. We were going to do it. a redline radio versus the compound golf deal at five iron and the losing food and beverage in

Chicago a couple months ago killed that but we'll get it going again. Oh yeah. All right, man. Well, good luck with everything and let's figure out. Let's get you the classic. Let's play a little round of golf out in Arizona. Yeah. Appreciate it, guys.

Yep. Thanks for having on, man. Yeah. See you, fellas.