Fore Play - Will Zalatoris: Shaping A Golf Mind

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

Will Zalatoris (41:09), coming off a 2nd place finish at last month’s Masters, joins the show for a full hour. We dive deep into 2021 Masters week, coming up just a stroke short, navigating Augusta with statistics as your guide, Happy Gilmore and much more. Before Will joins, we react to Sam Burns winning for the first time on Tour, players’ latest social media games and wonder if any murderers follow us on Twitter.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay, I'm sorry, Barstful Sports, and brought to you, as always, by our very good friends at Owens Mixers. We had a nice little Owens transfusion Thursday this last Thursday when we recorded a bunch of different interviews. We had Will Zalotaurus for a full hour. He's obviously 24 years old. He's young. He popped up at the S-open last year at the Players' Championship and then big time at

The Masters finishing second. This is a very, I mean, I know we're a golf podcast. This is a very golf heavy interview. I mean, this guy was going through shot by shot. You could tell he still was reliving. He was still not over all of it. As you would expect. I mean, he finished second, one shot back at the Masters as a first-time participant.

But he goes through a lot of the statistics that lead to his strategy, where he's at with his game, with his life, what the Masters was like. He just got engaged. So it's a really, really good interview. of Will's Altauars for a full hour. But that was interviewed, that was filmed, recorded, whatever you want to say on transfusion Thursday, last Thursday. I saw a lot of people this time of year,

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You know, I was the transfusion guy at the golf course. You were, you were bringing it. Like Frankie was bringing you were Santa Claus. You were like, really good cocktail Santa Claus. They turn you into this like mixologist. Like we've said that before. It's super easy. You don't have to know how much grape fruit, how much grape juice to use, how much club

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you can just do it. And if you just want to learn and have new drinks, it's great for that too. So a big thanks to Owens mixtures. But yeah, Will Zalotoris, great name, really good guy, very clearly into golf.

And what I mean by that is he was willing and able to go through shots, decisions. He goes through what his whole morning. morning was like on the days when he was teeing off, you know, Saturday and Sunday, one of the last groups or the last group, you know, what he did all morning, how we tried to kill the time. Guys, you know, traditionally try to stay up late if they have an early tea time so that they don't have to kill the whole morning. Like, we got into it with Zalotaurus about the masters and it was fucking awesome. Yeah, he's the, he's the man. I want to go back and listen because we did this on

Thursday and I want to go back and listen to, by the way, do you hear like on my voice is just a little bit like something going on i just had a vinegaret salad and i feel like the vinaigrette uh balsan vinegret dressing is like getting caught in my tongue and my i sound very um almost like fleming hmm you know can you notice that uh frankie has a sty rigs he's been talking about it all day i got stye my eye no i think i got it in a bunker but but you guys are far enough away that i can't really see it's the type of thing where once i mention it all you stare at is my stye it's crazy i was teabagging the shit out of my eye last night right like i agree i don't think i would have tip of he came into the office and didn't even say hello first thing he said was like i got a sty on my

eye and now it's the only thing i can look at that's what i always eminent myself because like i know i'm my own worst critic yeah so i'm immediately thinking about what everyone's thinking about me at all moments and now you're thinking about the voice now i'm thinking about the voice things yeah we just talked about this this morning how i just talk about things that don't need to be said because i think oh my god everyone hears my voice is so flimmy oh my god i have to say something right no one fucking cares yeah i would say you're you're well known for being you you speak about things that don't need to be spoken about. And no one gives a fuck about it.

They're just like keep talking or just don't talk. Just fucking shut up. I will say I feel, I just did the thing where I thought if I leaned in closer, I'd be able to see, but it doesn't make you closer because you guys are just that far from the screen. One time I was watching, I was watching a game with my friends and someone was standing in front of the camera.

I guess it was like in the actual, on the actual TV. Right. And they moved over to look around the person. It doesn't work that way. It's like that just didn't work. Camera's staying where it is. Right.

You move it to the right, didn't do anything. That may be possible in the future at some point, but it's not possible. 3D TVs. Yeah. You know, virtual dimensions. Anyway, I want to go back and listen because he said something about, he goes pretty deep into this, is hitting the middle of the greens as opposed to going for the pin, especially on par fives and stuff, like to try and reach the green and two.

They just hit the center of the fatty part of the green. And, you know, once in a while you make that bomb put for an eagle, but, you know, you take your four and you walk away. Stop trying to go for these ridiculously hard pin placement. because he found when he went back at the analytics that he was actually scoring worse when he would go for pins, which is super interesting to go back. Well, I think, apply that's your own game.

And I've heard you say on the golf course, why am I aiming at pins? So I did it this weekend. So we interviewed Zaltors. And then I found myself on like the ninth hole of a golf course. I had just missed like eight greens in a row pin high because I'm going for like the right side of the green. And I just tugged it a little bit.

And I was in a bunker. Like fucking perfect distance. I hit it. I struck it well. But I just, like, didn't hit it, like, right in the spot that I wanted to. Maybe a yard or two to the right. And I was in a fucking bad spot. As opposed to Zalotaurus is, like, take that same swing, just hit the center of the green,

make your two putts and go on with yourself. You're just going to score better every single round if you just hit the middle of the middle. Yeah. Yeah, it's not as sexy. Yeah, it's not as, like, rewarding maybe to, like, drop a ball once in a blue moon around a pin, like a fucking dart. Like, how often are we firing darts out there? Rarely. Right.

So just hit the center. I mean, literally never. Yeah, so it was interesting because he said he started by looking at the stats of his par five scoring. His par five scoring sucked relative to where it should be. And he's looking at guys like Spieth and his par five scoring. And I think he said, Spieth misses on the fat part of the green. So if you have a right pin, he misses left. Because when you go for a par five, even if you're those guys, you miss the green all the time when you go for a par five.

But you're just whacking it up there. And then, you know, your short game, the rest of your game is so good. And he went through in detail and looked at the stats and was like, Speath misses 75% of the time on the fat side of the pin when he goes forward to par five, and his par five scoring really good. He's like, mine was like the opposite because he's trying to make eagle all the time. He's like, so literally all I had to change was just like aim to the fat part of the green, not the, you know, the short side of the green.

And all of a sudden my par five scoring got so much better. So like it was this kind of shit for an hour straight was Zalotaurus, which was fascinating because, you know, he kind of famously during his master's, it was his rookie appearance, You know, really nobody, one time has somebody really truly, if you don't count like the 30s, won the Masters in their first attempt. So for him to be second place, one shot back, everyone's like, how did he do that? And his thing was that he had basically by using this statistical approach, decade, this guy Fawcett, like he had learned core strategy for Augusta National through research and numbers, you know, not needing to play it for 15 straight years. and so him applying that and going through a lot of that was just it was very different than the way that any of us ever thought about anything golf related ever.

Dude, also the thing that I think will resonate with people the most is if you aim from the middle of the green and you do tug it or push it a little bit from that initial spot that you were aiming at, you end up like sometimes getting lucky and just hitting it right next to the pin. Right. He talked about a couple times we were like, oh, what a great shot by Zaltors. He's like, I fucking pushed that thing 15 feet right of where I wanted it to go. And, yeah, it ended up by the pin, but, like, I was just trying to hit the middle of the green.

Yeah, he talks about how some announcers will be like, oh, Zal Taurus is so aggressive. So aggressive. And he's like, I made a mistake. Yeah. And it worked out. That's something we should all apply to our games, man. Like, God, I hit the ball so well on Sunday. And I just fucking was missing greens.

And I'm like, I should just do it Zalotores as if what am I, Frankie Borelli, who can't hit fucking anything doing, aiming at these back right pin locations. Just hit the center of the green. Even take a different club if you have to. Like, if it's a huge green and it's a back pin. placement but you know you can hit and usually maybe that's like a a six and you're going to fucking hit a draw in take a seven just hit the fatty part of the green you know what I mean like I'm just going to start doing shit like that dude I will say I had better like my last round out on the 10th hole I had a little like nine iron in from 142 or something it was a right pin tucked like

right by this bunker and I was like I'm going to aim about 20 feet left of it and just and I just hit this like push draw that started right at it and just ended up right next to to them, but he's like, won an unreal shot. And I was just like, thank God I didn't say how loud that I was aiming 20 feet left of it. Because that was just, like Zaltura said, it was just not where I was aiming. But you buy yourself that cushion when you, when I was aiming right at it, I'd be in that bunker and that's a bogey or a double. But instead, aim a little bit middle of the green, hit one right at it. Don't tell anybody. And then you just claim that it was a perfect shot. It really comes down to who do you think you are, like aiming at pins. We all think we're

better than we are when we're standing over a ball staring, especially when you hit a fairway. You're in that fairway. It's nice and it feels good. It's squishy. You got a nice shiny golf club in your hand. The ball is sitting up pretty. You see a green. It's unprotected right in front of you.

There's bunkers maybe on the right and the left, but it's just fucking right there, man. And we're all like, we're pin seeking. I just made a fucking 11 on the hole before and I'm pin seeking on whole 10. It's like, what are we doing out here? So yeah, no, we need to just, that's the mental side of the game, to be honest. Yeah. That's just, it's all mental because the swing's going to be the same. It's just like where are you just.

pre-shot. It's like the course management and strategy to the game that you don't think about, right? Like these guys on tour too, they all hit the ball so well that you wonder, like, how could one even actually beat the other one like any given week? Or how does somebody, and they talk about how Jack and Tiger, like, the best course man in Zaltors brings them up is like they weren't necessarily using statistics. They just kind of figured it out and knew. But how they're referred to as like the best course management players of all time.

But we again, dude, when you're just trying to hit the ball in balance, You don't think about course management. Like, what do you mean? I'm not managing anything. I'm trying to manage keeping a ball in play so I can hit it again. But that little stuff and breaking it down in such like minuscule kind of compartments throughout the round can make a huge fucking difference. So hearing him talk about that for a while was cool because it was so unique to any way that we've ever thought about. I got chirped this week because I pulled out a hybrid on like a par four with a wind kind of in our first.

face because there was these hedges and a fucking railroad station to the right and I like yeah I wanted to play well and everyone on the T-box like oh Frankie's trying to go low today I mean I put everyone else has like a big stick and they're fucking trying to just hit your eyes you're out there to play golf and I took a hybrid I felt like an asshole it's like the third hole the day I'm like I'm hitting hybrid off the tea everyone's like look at this guy look out frankie look out for the course record Frankies they get a hybrid off one course management's back and when you're just being smart super super smart like do you some days do you some days wish that someone who was steal your driver? Or like when the other day when you, you know, misplaced your seven iron. I think I remember you saying like, I almost wish it was my driver. Right. Because you just like wouldn't make that many mistakes. Right.

You know, how often do you like, when you want to, like, I just think of course management is you're hitting a club that you're just super, like you're really confident in it. And I don't know why that's like a pussy move. You know what I mean? Like I'm just going to stripe this hybrid like just a little bit shorter than my drive. And it's going to go right down the middle. why would I take a drive that's going to go on to the train tracks? Did you hit hybrid there?

Yeah, and I actually pulled it and I was in a bad spot. And they're like, if you were taking driver, there's no, there's no damage up there, you just would have been fine. That's fine.

I was worried you were going to put, you were going to pull driver. No, I didn't. Okay. I stuck to my guns. It's just, I don't, I mean,

it's, it's, I would say you're a pussy if you call that a pussy move. Like that's just, that's like being, like you're just a hardo if you're saying that to somebody.

What are you talking about? Just hit a club that you want to hit to put it in a good spot. Like, we got the video coming out tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern YouTube channel, go subscribe, thank you, from Sand Hollow. And I remember on the back nine, like I was playing really well that day. And on the back nine, like every hole I looked at just didn't look like it. There was a lot of room to miss. So I just hit three ironed the whole back nine, basically. But it's like, why would you bring in driver and bring in trouble or hit it out of play if you don't need to?

Is that because you're a pussy? No, maybe you're just fucking smarter than other people in that in that moment. Dude, but we did in California this last week, ball and hole, has really changed my outlook on golf. Like, I hadn't played ball and hole that seriously in a long, long time. Like, usually when you get a gimmie, it's like you were going to make it 90% of time anyway. Maybe that once in a blue moon, you fucking, like, we'll rim it around the hole and you'll just miss it and everyone goes crazy. But fuck, man, like, I like, whenever someone, like, picks up a ball in now, I'm like, oh, I mean, like, you weren't going to make that.

Right. Because I've watched us all just miss one and two footers. I mean, you guys may never give me a gimmie put ever again after watching me in California. I couldn't. People see it when the video comes out, but it's a train wreck. Dude, I fully. So now I've become, like, kind of an asshole because guys, like, just don't even want to hear about it anymore. We played on Sunday, and I like to beat my one friend, Andrew.

I just love beating him. And he's just very, like, we have a very good robbery on the golf course. And we were giving each other somewhat of gimmies, like, through the day. And on 18, like, he had, like, a one and a half foot put to just tie me. We were both going to shoot like 85 or 86, and he legitimately, I just didn't say anything, and I just made him butt it, and he fucking miss, and I won, and I'm like, fucking ball and hole, man. Like, that is, that's the difference right there. I just beat you today because you couldn't make that put.

And if you play a full round like that, you wouldn't believe how bad your score is. You would not believe how bad your score. It is much, much worse. Oh, it just makes what the pros do that much more incredible. Right. Everyone listening to this fucking does the pickup. You're playing in a match, you're playing with your buddies. there's a ball that's right on the, it's a foot and a half out, two feet out.

You take it, you do your little scoop with your putter and you put it in your pocket. But if you play one... And then you post a 79 on your fucking gin. For the record, though, for the record, everybody should do that. Like, for page of play, for enjoyment of the game. Yes, 100%. Yes. Right, they should.

But I just know listeners are going to be like, well, I start golf. Like, you don't put the fucking ball in your pocket. It's like, yes, you do. Everyone fucking does that. And they should do that. If you play one round ball and hole, it will change things between you and your friends. It will. About what puns you're going to give them.

But like this is the way, like the way that we are used to playing and how most people play is how they literally only play over in Scotland where the game was invented. Like when you go over there, they actually only, a lot of times they only give you match play scorecards. They don't even have stroke play on there. It's just match play scorecards because, and it has like next to the whole number, it has like the stroke, the match, it literally say like match play strokes so that you know where the strokes fall because everything is match play.

Nobody in their right mind wants to be out there. grinding like fucking lining up to everybody's ball for two and a half feet like who gives a fuck nobody like G4 has the hat like no one cares what you shot so in reality like unless you're some hardo that's going to be out like measuring your dick against everybody else's dick guess what have a match with your friends if you're out of the hole pick your fucking ball up and it doesn't really matter that much so I think most people should play that way it gives you enormous respect for the PJ tour pros like they can't just walk off a green until their ball goes in a hole and sometimes like that Ernie L's clip,

we kept kind of like referencing that when we were doing our ball and hole, you know, a couple days in the U.S. Open courses of like when he's seven putts the first hole at Augusta to make a 10, you're like, you know what? I can see that happening because when you lose like that motor skill in those moments to just put the ball in the hole, there's no way to get it back.

You're just like, I can't roll the ball into the hole. I can't do it. You just don't know what that feeling's like until it starts happening to you and it happened to me a bunch of times at Olympic and Tori. And you know where you are, you know where the hole is, and you just know it's not going in. I kept saying it felt like I ate really spicy wings when I was standing over the ball.

Like my sinuses were clearing themselves out, and I just could not get that ball and that whole. The heartburn of a 20-year homicide detective? For real. And again, people will see this when the video comes out. But it's just, it's a nightmare. But ball and hole is very tough. Dude, and then you look at a guy who fucking shoots a 65 out there on tour, and you're like, holy fuck, that's fucking ball and hole, man.

You know what I mean? It's so impressive. It's just ridiculous, how impressive that is. It's just ridiculous. I remember like I was the first club, Granite Links Golf Club, which we've talked about. It's like semi-private and they had a really good like join as an under 30-year-old ride of college. So I joined up there for a few years.

Lurch was up there all the time. And they would do the club championship, obviously, like once a year. And it was the one time where ever, I mean, everything's got to go in the hole. It's the same kind of thing. And it was very funny how different people's scores were from, you know, their handicap and what they typically post with the boys every Saturday or Sunday to club championship. Some of that's tournament golf, but also it's like when the ball just has to go in the hole, when it has to go in the hole, you just add a couple strokes to your score every time. Like no matter what happens, you're going to add a couple strokes. When I touched down in California, in my head, I was like, I'm like a 105 golf. That's like what I'm shooting now. When I'm playing with Frankie, I'm around 105 pretty much every single time we play, ball and hole, it's a much different number. It's just a much different and it's a much higher number. It's scary. It's a hard game.

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the South Course in Summit, New Jersey, 10th hole from 184 yards. He hit 7 iron. Got his own ace. Send us a little email with this picture, which I love, just like so jacked up. He's like, you know who would like this? The 4 Play Boys. I bet they would really, really like to see this picture, and he's correct. But yeah, 184 yards. He had a 7-iron. That's a big 7-iron. That is a huge 7-iron. weren't we going to do something once where we were going to have a plaque or something? We were just going to announce maybe all the whole and ones.

Maybe. We just stopped getting emails about them. We were going to do something for whole ones. Maybe everyone's stuff. How many days go by in between hole and ones? Are there none? I'd say there's a, I'd say with our listeners and how many people, would you say that there's a hole in one every week in the four play crew? Yeah.

That's probably fair. I was going to say every day, but there's no chance. I would almost say every day. You think there's a hole in one every day amongst the listeners of this podcast? 365 whole on ones a year. Yeah. I think maybe there is. Riggs just went off that cliff.

He had no idea. He was just like, yeah, absolutely. No, I was, yeah, it's like, I bet the numbers-wise it might be, but reality it isn't. Right? Like, I think there's more than 365 holes in. one in a year from our listeners, but I bet you could find days or structure. A lot of listeners. Right.

Yeah, there's bigger breaks than every day. I agree with that. It's also tricky for everyone listening because they don't know how many people listen to our show. So we're, right. Everyone's being a little coy with it right now. This is kind of funny. This is kind of like,

this is what we talk about at our desks, but I asked if there was a follower of mine that had murdered someone. Yeah. Do we think that I have a murder? murderer following me. And then I said, I probably have about 10. Right? Like, I mean.

So you've got what? How many followers? I think 180,000 or something like that, 186? Like, do we think that there's 10 people that follow me that have committed murder? Do you think there's one person that's committed murder? There, for sure, there's one person that is committed, that has taken someone's life. My gut says 10 is too high. But maybe that's just me being hopeful.

Well I mean I know like I'm not gonna I mean I know he's but I'm looking at O.J. Simpson's Twitter account right now I mean he follows 34 people so those 34 people right there I mean they've got instantly they've already got somebody locked up That's such a good point

That's a great point I mean I know it's only 34 but come on I mean that's what I could just see I could just like see that right now And I want to let the listeners know that I don't want to know who you are. You know, I don't want to know the answer to this. I don't. Because if you let me know who you are, then that's a problem. It's then up to you now.

That's a problem then. Yeah. Like I don't need to know. I don't need to know. So I almost wish we would cut this. It's almost what are these murderers reaching out to me being like, I don't need a murderer reaching out to me. Like, yeah, I follow you. That's a fucking problem, man.

That's a, that's a slippery slope, dude. That's a fucking. Yeah, dude. I follow you and I fucking killed someone. For sure, I follow you. You're next. I was like, holy fuck. I mean, Jesus Christ.

You just brought that on yourself. You just brought that fire to yourself. All you as well, too, though. You know? You guys have more powers than me. I didn't. That's your hypothetical. And you're a part of the goddamn show.

Tweet at Riggs and Trent too, if you follow that. I feel real nervous energy coming off Frankie right now. Like, he is, he's upset at himself that he brought this to the podcast. Because murder is no joke. No. You know? That is no fucking joke, man. That's real deal, bad shit.

Why are these murders on Twitter? Shouldn't they just, they should be in jail somewhere? Right. True. Yeah. True. Or on like death row or something.

There's a lot. There's just a lot of questions. Like, yeah, if they've done it and they're still following you on Twitter, that means they're free. And that's a problem. What, um,

like, what percentage of murderers you think? in the United States get caught, like a huge percentage, right? It's, like, really hard to get away with murder. I also asked Trent this because I've been on a rewatching of Peaky Blinders kick. And best show, like, probably one of the best shows ever. If you think about just how many good things happen plot-wise in each episode of Peaky Blinders, it's astonishing. It should be mentioned more in people's top five.

It just never slows down. It never slows down. Always a main character is into something, whatever. Really good show. But in those days, in the 1930s, early 1920s, 1930s of England, you could fucking kill someone in a gang fight or whatever it was. Like, you just go to the fucking pub, shoot the guy in the head. And, like, that was paid back for killing his brother or his fucking auntie.

And it's, no one got caught. I mean, the police were paid off, the whole thing. I don't think you can commit murder like that anymore. I think the days of that are done. Surveillance cameras, I would say, most likely put a, big dent in all of that. Right? And DNA testing.

Like old school mafia and like the old, you know what I mean? Like yeah. Throwing people in rivers and shit. I just don't know that that's even possible anymore. Now it used to be way easier to get away with it. But now I think for good, for the goodness of society, I think it's tougher to get a, to get away with murder in 20, 21. I really, especially like I think guys like us, like it would like we would just, we would just be the most caught people of all times. Like there's 100%.

And then, chance. Well, you do have like, you have like the Gilgo guy, Gilgo Beach guy. They haven't caught him yet. There's bodies all around Long Island. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

That was a couple years ago. Gilgo Beach murder. Not good. I know Frankie couldn't get away with it because he would tell somebody. Just because of the, like the sty and everything. He would just tell someone about it. I don't know if this is this conversation happening or the salad I just ate, but I got to go poops, man.

Okay. You know, something's happening in here. I just got the sweats. I'm freaking out, man. You really never know, no pun intended, what's going to come out of you, eh, Frankie? It's like it's a murder, like, my murders follow me. Then it's like I got to go poop. Then it's like I got to stop.

It's just you never know what you're going to get. Never eat a salad. It just runs right through you. Of course. I mean, within minutes. Especially when. How does that happen? The first salad off of me deciding that I'm going to eat healthy after I've been eating

like a garbage dump for a whole month, that salad is a quick reactor. Have you ever killed somebody? No. Okay. Promise. I promise you. I promise you that I did not kill anyone. Okay.

That is a fact. I just want to make that clear. I'm also going to get into Glennie Balls today about the Islanders Rangers. I'd like to kill Lurch. Sam Burns won the Valspar Championship down at Copperhead Course at Innesbrook. This guy's been really close. He's been kind of touted by a lot of folks as a guy that's clearly going to win a good amount. He's got what it takes.

He's been in the mix at several big events. events and he just got it done. He played well all week and then you never know how somebody's going to react to the final round. It was really kind of a two-man race through 12 holes and then Kegan hit it in the water on the 13th and at that point, San Bernard's just cleaned up, dominated one very convincingly and again he's one of those, you know, when he's holding the trophy that the commentators, the analysts, the Brandles are all saying, you know, don't expect this to be the only time you see him holding the trophy. Somebody's going to win a lot.

So good to see. Nice to see him break through. And I think this guy is truly going to be a stud out there for a long time to come. Yeah, 24 years old, LSU boy. He's got a lot of promise ahead of him. Ben Mintz was very excited this morning when he came in. I was sitting at my desk. He was, I think he might know Sam.

But our guy, Ben Mintz, was jacked up about the Sam Burns Day this one. No, yeah, he came in and it was a very quiet office. Everyone was just sitting there. And he was just. Sam Burns. That's exactly. And he was yelling at me being like, can you believe that? I was like, I'm excited.

I'm not as excited as you are, but I'm excited because you're excited. But yeah, no, it's tough to see Keen going to the water. Obviously, he's been our guy for a long time. But Sam Burns, yeah, I think the analysts are right on that one. This will not be the last time he's holding up a trip. Imagine going out there going 69, 69, 69, 68, 65, and losing the tournament by four strokes like Victor Hovlin. How much better of a week is a guy supposed to have?

on PG tour with all that pressure ball in hole we talk about all this shit 69 69 69 68 65 on Sunday I mean we've been talking a lot of fucking grinding out on the golf course and he didn't even come close this has been a common theme with guy like our guy Joel Damon winning we just we talk about how hard it is to win on the PJ tour you can put up four scores in the 60s and still lose by low 60s right 68 65 come on now it's hard out there you all you also like you know you just like Tony Fienau for example right if he just four or five of those weeks if just like one person just hadn't played a little bit better if if if one person each one of those weeks just had made like two or three less birdies right like if two or three less of those 12 footers just rolled in

then Fienow would have won like five tournaments in the last couple years but instead it's so hard to win that he just can't fucking win it like you said like when you when you just when you just announce those scores, Frankie. I was like, oh, that must be Sam Burns scores because, like, that's just someone who wins, and he just didn't win. He posted those numbers and finished tied for

third. He was never really had a chance on Sunday, and that's amazing because those are really good scores, and these guys are so fucking good. Like, you can't even Monday qualify. Like, if you sent, if you sent, you know, John Robb out there today, he might not Monday qualify for any of these PJ Torvents.

You got to shoot, like, 62, like a crazy person. and then to win these actual tournaments, you go out to a course like that, the copperhead course is impossible. It was firm, especially over the weekend. Balls were bouncing over greens, playing everything in the fucking hole. It was windy on Sunday.

There's water all over the place, playing it from 70,000, however many yards, and finishes 13 under par with scores like that, and he's just tied for third. That's amazing. It's just crazy. It really is astonishing how well you have to play to win these tournaments. It really, really is.

This is a little off topic, but did anybody else get nervous a couple weeks ago when Fee now and Cameron Champ were near the top of the leaderboard at the Zurich? Like, I don't, that's not the one I want Tony to win. Like, I don't ever want to root against Tony Fee now, but I don't want it to be the two-man tournament. Because then we have to have the discussion that I guess we're going to have right now, where it's like, yeah, he won, but it was the Zurich, and before that it was, you know, the Puerto Rico event. Like, I need him to just win a full-on.

I don't want to say real PJ tour event, but a real PJ tour event by himself. Agreed. He has to earn it himself. Tony Feenow has to go out and win. It's an individual sport. Had he won, he didn't, had he won as a team, it would have been a little tough. But it could have been like a nice little stepping stone for him to get the, you know, to get it out of the way and the floodgates open. And then he starts winning a lot.

I wouldn't hate it that. But it wouldn't, we wouldn't have been sitting here being like Tony Fienow, he finally got that win. especially if like if it wasn't even him it's like his partner birdies like 17 and 18 I mean I know it's all during shot like partner like hits one tight on like 17 and then like stuff's his second shot on 18 like yeah then you're kind of like dude did he he even win he just was there for the other guy hitting six shots right like if if a champ had been burying putts like the one thing that fino can't seem to do in the moments where he needs to do them then we're all just he was the replacement and he carried you through it so I'm not I don't

want to say I'm glad Tony Fienow didn't win that tournament, but I think it it's saved a lot of conversation around what's next for Tony. I got to give credit to Bryson DeShambos' Twitter account, which tweeted out a picture of Sam Burns and wrote, A Dream Come True. Thank you to my incredible support team for helping me get to this point. Looking forward to what's to come, tagging Callaway, Adidas, MasterCard, and his other sponsors that are clearly San Bernard sponsors. You do see stuff like this. that occurs, but clearly just the same, whether it's PR or social media agency, is representing both of these guys.

And the person just tweeted the wrong tweet from Bryson's account. And it's very funny when this came across. It's brutal, man. I mean, that's why Barstall has, like, you know, we're our own lane because we run our own Twitter accounts and we speak from the mind. And, yeah, we get ourselves in trouble sometimes because we say stupid shit, because the Mike's always on and we're always tweeting stuff, but, like, you know it's coming from us. And the thing that I hate about, like, other fucking Twitter eggs and all these people,

like Jeff Shackleford's and all these, like, buttoned up people and even these athletes that are just, like, they're paying someone to tweet for them because they don't, like, know how to have the voice that everyone's going to like and love? And it's like, what are you doing, dude? Like, how are you letting someone log into your account to write that tweet? Like, it just drives me crazy that, like, he can't just be a real person, take a control of his own life, his own brand, his own image. And, like, his own Twitter account can't be him.

Now every tweet is just like, we just don't think it's Bryson. I will say there is a side to me that agrees with them. Like, if I were that good at the game of golf, I would just say, I'm going to handle the golf. Like, I'm going to do really well at this. Like, we're saying this about social media because we are somewhat good at being on social media. Like, we've just grown up.

This is our job. We know what we're doing. We've watched other people do it enough where we're like, we've sort of know what we're doing. But if I were a Bryson or or a Sam Burns, I think there might be a part of me that would say, I'm going to kick ass on the golf course. You guys make sure all my sponsors are happy with the social media, you know, things that I need to put out. So I actually sort of understand, like I don't know if I would run my own Twitter account if I was Bryson DeShampo. Yeah, but then I would almost say like then I would prefer that they don't even have one or they don't update one, right?

Like they don't, he doesn't need to tweet out, congrats Sam Burr. Like he and he didn't even. He was so I just think like we're we're not fucking idiots. The people that follow us are idiots. They can just sense if somebody's is really them or really isn't. And so it would be better to just not even have a presence. Like you have an account, sure, and like post some sponsored stuff here and there that like you're part of because you're clearly in the sponsored aspects of it and the videos that are shot. But like fake running one is worse than just not running one really at all. I guess what I mean is it's just sad that like the world we live in requires.

is like a social media manager to take over an account and like write the correct way and tag the right people because like guys can't do it on their own and have like the good enough personality like a guy like max homa is not letting someone log into his Twitter and tweet about he's going to do it his own way with his own voice his own picture he's going to add you know what I mean like that's who max home is he's really good at it and he's very transparent like you know what I mean that's just very different and it's very just like stuck up dushy to just be like I don't know It's just different. I don't know.

You know who had the best? Berson just throws me off. For sure. You know who had the best tweet coming out of the weekend? Dustin Johnson. What he said? He said, thank you at Val Spar Champ for the great event, period,

and then just a picture of him and his caddy. Amazing. King. Like, he's just... See. Like, that one I enjoy it. That's something, I would believe that Dustin tweeted that. I don't think he did.

But, like, that's just him. That's someone that knows him that's running that account. Right. That's someone who's like, here's what he would say, and it's very little words. He's just like, thanks to the tournament, great weekend. It'll be fun to watch how the player impact program PIP kind of leads people to doing different things as it progresses where that $40 million goes.

Who tries different ways to get their fingers on it? But I love that tweet from T.J. Did not obviously like the one from Bryson. I think it was deleted in like less than five seconds. I saw somebody who has Bryson notifications on that got that. And I think nobody else saw it. So it is what it is. Social media.

It's where we live. It's not where everybody else lives. But that kind of stuff is very transparent, very annoying. Speaking of transparent, I got to be honest, I was never really a huge cigar guy. Only recently or only maybe probably up until this last weekend. I'd maybe had seven cigars in my life, like single-digit cigars. Usually an occasion thing, and that's pretty much it, but like a very special occasion, a graduation or, a certain trip or something like that.

Macanudo cigars came on as a sponsor for the Barstool Classic, so I have this really sweet case that Frankie actually Instagrammed and tweeted about this past weekend, which is amazing. This thing's awesome. But I had a little cigar for a bit. I was doing Thursday night during the NFL draft show, and it was so delicious and enjoyable that I finished the whole cigar Thursday night. And then when I played again on Saturday with a few friends,

I brought my macanudos, and I fired these things up. Maconuto is the best-selling handmade cigar in the United States. And on a golf course experience with these macanudo cigars, fellas, has elevated my golfing experience more than I ever could have imagined. It's a really good cigar. They have the white and the red wrapper. The orange. The orange is fantastic.

Yep. I was having the white yesterday. And it was just, it just adds to the experience. It's like you wouldn't believe. You are living when you're walking down a fairway sucking on a macanudo. You just, you look like you're in the right spot. You look like you're the guy. You know what I mean?

Like people look at you like, that's that guy. You know what I love about a golf course cigar? There's a lot of things of maconood specifically, where when you're about to hit a shot, you have a couple choices. One, you can keep it in your mouth, which looks cool. Which is really hard. If someone's taking a picture, it is difficult, but if you can get it down and someone takes a picture of you, you're the coolest guy. But I also love the throwdown where you're going to, you're going to hit. hit and you just throw it off to the side.

So you can do that. And then the other thing is you can put it on a T. So you put the T in the ground and you put the part, you know, that you're probably going to suck on, I would assume, or maybe the lit part so it doesn't get whatever. But you put one of the, or maybe put both on a T. I'd say the lit part up. Right. So you put them on the T.

Right. So you don't burn the, you don't want to burn the grass, probably. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I was thinking more of it's like you don't want the lighting part to be, to go out because you have to relight it. I have to learn a little bit more. We've taken a class in macanudos, essentially, where they taught us how to light it, how to smoke it, how to have fun with it.

And I just, like, I need to actually physically do it. I can't wait to get to a bar so classic to actually see them at the station where they light the cigars with you and they're going to teach you about the cigars. But like yesterday I had it and I just felt like I wasn't as perfect around a circle. I maybe lit the bottom a little bit too much. The top was not as lit and I couldn't really play with it in. I need to learn how to smoke it better. I need to look better because I was breathing in. I'm fucking like huffing and puffing.

I also just like coughing. It's also probably reps. It's reps. You just keep doing it. You go out there, play golf. You'll fire up a macanudo and you'll learn. I would say for that travel case that I put it up on my Instagram story and so many people went absolutely nuts, I'd say keep an eye out for a nice little travel case for cigars in the near future,

maybe with some bar still branding on it because I think that that travel case needs to be inside every single person's fucking golf bag. It is the coolest thing, and it's a showstopper. And I think we're going to put one out. The McEnito Inspirato, they got the Inspirato white, the Inspirato Orange, as Frankie was talking about earlier, you can enter and win a limited edition branded golf set in Humidor for your Macanudo Inspirato smokes at macanudo.com slash barstool. You've got to be 21 plus only for entry.

But macanudo.com slash barstool. Frankie was just talking about how cool a lot of this stuff is and that you need when you're out there when you're smoking cigars and you're having a moment. Macanudo when you're being the cool guy on the golf course or girl. Do yourself a favor. Go to macanudo.com slash bar stool. You can enter and win a limited edition branded golf set and humidor for your Macanudo Inspirato Smokes.

All right, folks. Next up, we have Will Zalotaurus, who was a bit of a heartthrob, a bit of a, you know, he was a showstopper, if you will, at the Masters tournament, coming in second place, giving it a run, not back and down, given Hedeky Matsiyama all he had. And we talk all about that. and much more on this show. All right, folks, we're joined by a very special guest. He's all over the news the last three, four weeks in the world of golf.

He just got engaged, I believe, last week, which we already congratulated him on, but I'm sure we'll get into that. Finish second at the Masters, tied for sixth at the U.S. Open last fall. So he's been kind of, he's got a great look to him, too. He's got a very unique look. Adam Sandler's chiming in, so he's been all over the place. Will Zalotaurus. Welcome to the show, my friend.

Hey, thanks for having me, dude. Looking forward to it. So let's start with getting engaged. I'm curious about nerve levels, right? Everybody talks about nerve levels in golf. Were you more nervous at all Masters Week or in kind of the hours, days leading up to your proposal? I was definitely more mentally out of it, I would say, probably in the week leading up to the proposal. it was kind of

it probably took about six to eight weeks to plan it all and I had thought that I was going to do it later in the year and I had gotten the ring a few months ago and I was just like, I can't hold on to this thing for that long I got to do it sooner than later this thing's going to be eating at me but yeah I mean I think

nerve levels are definitely comparable that's for sure but a few of my buddies had said that when you get down on one knee to know what you're going to say and it was like you know scatterbrain for what felt like eight minutes but i'm sure it was like 20 seconds how'd you end up doing it what'd you what you playing something special how'd you do it um she went to grad school at uts so we did it down in austin and surprised her with a few of her friends so it was a it was a fun weekend i kind of needed that you know because we with covid and everything it was kind of the first time we were able to get get back together. Hell yeah. So, you know, I had to, I was best man in my brother's wedding, and I remember I had to hold the ring for like, you know, five minutes or something before I finally. And the whole time, I just said to him and to Maggie, I was like, I don't, like, this is,

are you sure you want me to hold this ring? Because I could fuck this whole wedding up right now. So I can imagine you thinking you're going to have it for months. Like, that's crazy. You've got to get rid of that thing. Yeah, I thought I was going to have it for. probably, I guess it would have been six or seven months, and then all of a sudden I was like,

no, I could do it this time, and then I just progressively kept moving it closer and closer. And you've been on a roll. You've been on a role after Master's Week. You're like, might as well do it now, right? Yeah. I mean, I was, I've been thinking about it for, yeah, I mean, I guess I have been working on that whole weekend for a while.

So it was fun. It's been a good year. Yeah, like if there was ever a time that she wasn't going to say no, it was when you're, I mean, you're striking while the iron's hot. You're just coming off a great week at the Masters. Well, the other part, too, is, you know, she would, she, we've known it where I guess we've been together for almost five years, but she came to Monday qualifiers. I mean, she was there Monday qualifier in Evansville, Indiana. And, you know, we're, I get done at Augusta walking off 18 and we're talking about, you know, we were just, you know, we were just. joking about it. It's like, you know, get a standing ovation walking off the 18 green in Augusta. It's like you dream about that stuff. And then she's up there with me and she said, you know, well, I guess this kind of beats Evansville. I mean, no offense to Evansville, Indiana, but, you know, she's been there through it all with me. So it's been, it's been fun. It's been really cool

to have her there throughout all this. Well, you gave us a little peek into that. Like, I mean, talk to us about, like, did you expect to be getting that standing ovation at Augusta National when you were in Evansville? Like, is this something? that you knew that was going to happen? No, I mean, I didn't even, you know, when I made the pipe, I, Corey still had, or Cory Connor still had the putt out. And you see it on TV, but it's not like, I honestly didn't really know what to do.

That was the thing that was kind of funny about it, is because it's like, I make the putt, kind of give a little way, people keep going. And I'm like, well, Corey saws the putt, and I'm like, they kept going again. And I was like, oh, God. And then Corey made a nice put for Bertie. And as I'm walking up or walking up to the back of the green, you know,

everyone's like looking over at me and, you know, way to go, Will and whatnot. And it was just kind of like a, you know, I didn't really, I didn't appreciate what I did and really until probably the last week or so. I did a really good job of getting in my own world, you know, turn my phone off, didn't watch any golf channel, didn't watch any coverage. And I think that was kind of a good, lesson learned. But my whole point of that was it was like even on 18, you know, I'd give my caddy hug. I was like, man, that was a fun week. You know,

bummer, we came up short. But that whole moment of everyone, you know, standing up and, you know, congratulating me, but also just because I was the underdog and gave it a good run, I thought was, I mean, I'll never forget that. Yeah, I was, you know, it almost feels like you have to not be able to appreciate it in the moment, because if you truly did, then you probably wouldn't be able to perform the way that you needed to perform, right? Like if you're, all of us, if we're thinking over a putt, like, okay, if this is the biggest put we could have, right? If it's for to win the match or to go to Pinehurst in our little tournament that we do,

if you're thinking about that, you're not going to make the putt. So if you're thinking like, man, this Augusta thing is just so awesome and you're really truly appreciating it the entire time, and you probably don't play as well as you did. Yeah, I mean, I think on, so this is kind of a funny part to the, to Augusta, was or that week was I played 13 terrible all week. I buried it the first day. I think I met a bad part of the second day. And for some reason,

that lower section was just so slow. I couldn't figure out what it was, but the back right portion, it slopes hard back to front. So everything's really quick, but everything on the front section because I had two pins up in that front corner. It was just so slow,

and I just could not get the ball to the hole. And so I ended up in it like 60 feet, and Corey was like 70 feet. And right on my line, I'm like, perfect. I'm going to get a good read. And he left it. I'm not kidding. It was like 35 feet short.

And we had the rain, but I'm like, he literally was 10 feet in front of me. And I was like, man, I got no idea now. I was like, I'm looking forward to seeing the read. And so I knew that it was slow and I left 10 feet short, hit a nice 10 footer, but missed it. And from that point on, I was just so deflated because it was like, Like 13 is always the point where guys, you know, it's make or break, fill out of the trees, Jordan out of the trees, you know, just there's so many great shots on 13, but that's like the turning point.

Like 14, you can maybe catch a birdie in there. 15, you can maybe make a three or four. And all of a sudden, it's like, boom, you know, that's how you see those guys that are five shots out of it. They're right back in it. And I knew I needed to get something going there. And I kind of like 14, 15, 16 was just kind of like just so, you know, just so. deflating because it was like, you know, bogeing 12, three-put par on 13, and it was just kind of like,

you know, wally gagging a little bit. But I mean, it still was, still had a bunch of good looks. I mean, I almost made the ones on 14, 16. I made birdie on 15, but I kind of, I kicked back into gear because I saw Hideki on 15 when I was walking up 17, hit it in the back water. And it kind of, I mean, I was joking with my caddy. I was like, this is Sunday at a gust on the back now. And I feel like my heart rates at, like, 65, right? right now just because it's just like you're so up for so long and then all of a sudden you know you think you've got a chance to win got a chance to win and just feel like you're out of it and just feels like all these just feels so deflating and um once i saw as ball up on the water i was like i mean you know

this isn't over and so i made birdie on 17 and i just had a bad t-shot on 18 i mean i'd hit that tea shot so good all week and that was just the one bad one but um I knew I was like, there's a backdoor chance. Like, I got to make a car. And so it was just, you know, free run from here. But, yeah, it's just, it's so funny to look back on it. Like you said, like, I wasn't really able to. I appreciated it basically for the first 65 holes of the tournament and just thought

about the history and, like, enjoyed every piece of it. And then all of a sudden it's like, I finally don't have a chance to win. And I'm like, oh, man. And then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, my caddies tell me, like, hey, we got to get to the range. Like, you got to 20 minutes. you never know what's going to happen. So it just was such a weird ride.

You know the thing that when we're watching, the Masters is the best week for everyone involved, right? Watching, playing. It's just the best week in the world. But when we're sitting there, we can't imagine that you guys are out there performing under that stress, that level. It is the Masters.

It is Augusta National. Is it just experience? We've talked to like the greats, but like I feel like we've heard from like Nick Faldo's and all these people that have done it for years upon years. You're so new to this. was there like a moment where you're like oh yeah i don't see the TVs anymore i don't i'm not like nervous about that stuff i'm just playing golf like do you remember like physically being in a moment where you're

like i can do this was it like a practice round was it the first was it Thursday like what is it because i've always wondered that how do you get over it i think it's you know you get in your own world for one you know i'm not watching golf channel not watching any coverage um i did watch coverage before some of the rounds just to see how some holes are playing. But, you know, it's like I've never been in the final group on the PJ tour period. And

Saturday of Augusta, I'm in the final group with Justin Rose. And, you know, that's new territory. But we're still all trying to do the same thing. I mean, you know, even the great, and even great players have messed up weekends at a major.

I mean, Tiger is the exception by far. But, I mean, you know, it's like if I go out and shoot 78 on Saturday, well, you know, he's inexperienced, you know, it's kind of expected, whatever. If I go out and shoot 70 or whatever, 71, whatever I shot, and you're like, wow, you know, that's, you know, that's pretty respectable. And so if you kind of put things, you know, to terms a little bit, like I was actually more nervous leading up to the round on Saturday than I was on the first tee. Wow. Just the waiting around and picking it through and, you know, watching. some guys play some holes and you know we know the rain's coming in like it's it going to be one of

those days where it's going to be born 20 and raining and it's just going to be an absolute beast and you know and so it's just kind of like you know I got on the first tee and I piped one into the right bunker which is like auto five and I ended up catching the lip and knocked it over to like 12 feet and I made it for par and immediately I'm settled into my round but I just I think just you know, I always loved as a kid watching the coverage and seeing the live from the masters and Rich Lerner doing his essays and, you know, these dramatic pieces on people. And then it's like, I go, you know, you're out there playing and you're like, this is the same thing I've been doing all year.

It's just a really cool golf course with a lot of history. And, you know, it's hard. I'm trying to minimize it, but at the same time, it's like you have to appreciate it. Yeah. The, uh, I am amazed. I'm happy you brought up the wait time because when you are in the last group or even one of the last groups, you're teed off at two something. Like even us as weekend hacks, if our tea time is not till two something, like our whole morning is the same. We clean our clubs 10 times. We go through five different outfit choices.

Like you eat three different meals and then you're worried, did I eat too much? I have to go to the bathroom on the court. Like, we don't know what to do. So now you're like in contention of the masters. Like how did you? I know you mentioned a little bit of coverage. Like how many meals did you eat? were you trying to like, you know, schedule out strategically, when to eat? Like, what was that from 7 or 8 a.m. until 2 to 30 p.m.? Like, what did you do? Yeah, I mean, so Saturday was interesting because I'd gotten up early, which is pretty rare for a late tea time.

You know, a lot of guys try to stay up late and wake up late to try to just kill the morning. I got, you know, I had a full breakfast that morning. I was cracking up laughing because I think someone, I think I might have said something. Like, you know, someone asked what to do this morning? Like, well, I made breakfast and made my mom an egg. And they're like, oh, my God, he's in a contention that the master's making his mom eggs. I'm like, who cares? Like, you know, it's like, I was just like, I saw some article about that.

And I'm like, that's incredible. Breaking news. Sunny sign up. Yeah, Will makes sense. an egg for his mom. What a great that's a lesson in itself. When you, when you start to get contention, anything you do becomes a headline. Oh, I know.

That's stunning. Well, and so, I mean, but I just kind of like had breakfast. I think we watched some, I think I watched like a Dallas garage rerun from the night before because I missed the game. And then I actually went out to the golf course. It's had some lunch and I was ready to go. But Sunday was more the interesting one because we didn't eat dinner to like 10.15 because of the rain delay. So that was the one where I slept in super

late. So it made Sunday, you know, I had breakfast. And then all of a sudden it was like, man, you've got to get, you know, warmed up and ready to go and go have some lunch. And so, yeah, that was definitely, that was the harder of the two. I thought, I thought Saturday was tough waiting around, but Sunday was all of a sudden it's like, okay, you've been up, you didn't go to bed to like 12, 31 o'clock. You didn't eat till late. You know, you've got to be exhausted. So, but I handled it fine.

And obviously, when you're running on that much adrenaline, I mean, you could stab me in the side and I probably won't even feel it. So talk to me about now the back nine and just kind of even out there in general, trying to follow along with the leaderboards because Augusta's very unique. There's no video boards. You do it old school. You know, they put them up and there's only so many out there. So, like, you know, are you strategically when you come down 11, when you, you know, after 13 where there's that board?

Talk about where the leaderboards are and how you, you know, as someone who is in contention all weekend, we're trying to follow along. Were you following along? Are you somebody at the scoreboard watcher? How does that, how does that work at Augusta? Yeah, I mean, I'm absolutely a scoreboard watcher. You know, coming out of the gates and birding one and then Hodecki bogeing one. So immediately his four-shot lead goes to one. that was kind of like a big time like we're in this you know that I'm settled in you know let's go earn it

you know it's kind of funny how the front nine went for me because it's like you birdie one and two hit a bad wedge on three and you know I make a nice two put on four and then the chip on five was honestly in a weird way was like the stretch of where things started to really I kind of kick things into gear because I hit a terrible three wood off the T and had like 250 in. And those two bunkers on the left, like, you're just laying up. Like, it's honestly, it's a very bizarre whole strategy-wise because it's like, yeah, you can hit in the bunkers and lay something up, but it's like you basically have to treat them like hazard.

Like, you're not getting there in two. It doesn't matter if you have a 50-mile-an-hour downwind behind you, like, you just can't get there. and so I decided to lay up every day and the pin on Sunday is always over the knob on the front and there's a crest on the front where it kind of goes both ways. So if I hit this chip like

you know if I don't hit it hard enough it's going to come straight back down on my feet and I'm going to have a brutal two putt from there. If I barely push it, it's going to trickle 45 feet off to the left. If I go left, it's going to be 30 feet to the left. And it's like everyone, whenever you see it, they just gun it and it goes straight over the hill.

And I hit this chip just absolutely perfectly. And I thought it was going in the entire way, but that was one where it's like, you're going to make five, and all of a sudden you make four. I make a nice two-putt on six. And, you know, from there,

it felt like it was off to the races. Like, I just kept, you know, felt like I kept making putts and making puts and just made a stupid mental error on 10. But that's where when I'm on, I see Hedeky at 13, and I think I was at 8. I think I was at 8.

And that's where it's like, you've got to make some ground on 13, 14, 15. Like you've got to make at least birdie on 13, 30, 30, 14, half to birdie 15, just to put some pressure on them. And, you know, 10, 11, 12, you play the 1 over, I'm really not going to be that disappointed. And I played him in 2,

and it's just kind of like, whatever. you've got some holes to make up for it. And, you know, I had mentioned this before. It's like you've seen enough coverage to the years where guys at 415, you've got Hadeki at 13 and me at 8 at 430. Hadeki's at 12 and I'm at 10. You know what I mean? It's like all of a sudden, in a 45-minute span,

there was only, you know, there's a five-shot lead, and the next thing you know, there's four guys that are, you know, tied through the lead. And so I knew that just anything could happen. But after playing 10, 11, 12, and 2 over, and then paring 13, that's where I knew. It's like you've got to make some serious hay coming in here. It's really interesting to hear it from you, especially, you know, when you mentioned, like,

after the, you know, the second hole when you see you've made, you've made a birdie, like, Hedacchi makes bogey. All of a sudden, the lead went from four to one because, like, that's exactly what we're thinking and exactly how, except you're like the guy. You're the guy on the leaderboard thinking the same thing. It's like the same, it's the exact same. trajectory and thought process, except you're the one actually out there doing it. So it's cool to know that while we're following leaderboard, it's like, you're doing the same shit.

Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is like it's not like I'm changing any strategy. I mean, granted, if all of a sudden I've got a, you know, if I had a five-shot lead, it's, I mean, I'm looking so far right on 16. It's a joke. But, you know, it was just seeing how everything was playing out because, you know, there's, there's like four or five guys that were tied for second. And I was a couple groups ahead of them, and I had a chance actually on Saturday night on 18 to make Birdie to be in the final group. But, you know, throughout Sunday, like, it's just your strategy doesn't change.

Like, if, you know, once I got the five or six back, that's where it's like, okay, maybe we start getting a little bit more aggressive because it's like, you know, if you finished second, at least I thought at the time, no, I mean, everyone's going to be like, hey, great tournament. You finish six, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, everyone's going to be like, hey, great tournament. Like, you're here to go win a green jacket. Like, you need to go wearing this. And, um, yeah, I just, I didn't, if anything, it's like, once you get to that point, it's like, you don't change your strategy, but it's like, if I mess up, and mess up, like, let's just go have some fun here. And my caddy and I joked about it. We said, you know, the old military line of weapons free boys.

I mean, you know, we're not leaving anything behind. This is it. Right. Taylor made, our landing page is live. We are obviously Taylor Made athletes. We use the Sim 2s. We use their irons. We use their golf balls.

That was really not maybe talked about enough last time when I was obviously trying to highlight the parts of the game that I was actually doing well last week, which was chipping and putting. And the main reason that I'm able to get the ball up down a lot is because I'm rocking the Taylor made, the TP5 and my high toe wedges. and I'm able to get up and down a lot. It saves me a lot of strokes, which I love. But our landing page where you go to Taylormade, parcelsports.com slash Taylormade. We have our funny pictures on there. But it's live.

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Tor response balls are just as good as any ball you're going to find. I mean, and then I say that because I fucking play them all the time. And then I got my hands on a TP5. Like, I just reach into my bag and I had TP5. And that's a fantastic golf ball. I mean, that's just a fucking real deal golf ball. But Tor response for that price and that, like, that category it's in, right, the more affordable golf ball. I think it's the best one in that level.

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our action. It is barstrelsports.com slash tailor made. I want to I want to hear a little bit about the kind of the decade and Scott Bossett and the stats behind kind of your strategy. I believe, you know, he posted a text where you said you've given me, I think, like 25 years of experience in five days. Talk about sort of the approach. Because from my understanding, you know, it's basically using hardcore stats over decades to, I guess, determine or help or assist or consult on core strategy and strategy, you know, out there. So talk about how you've implemented this and how it's helped you. Yeah. So that text message was from 2014 when I won the Texas State Amy Caddy for me then.

You know, so like here's the basic premise that it's really helped me with is tour average from 100 yards in the fairway is 2.8. So you drop a ball in the middle of the fairway, a tour average player, it's going to take you 2.8 shots to hold it from there. So if you're to hit a shot onto a green where you're going to average 1.8, that's 16 feet. So roughly 5%. So if you think about it, if you've got a pin that's tucked three or four off of an edge, you should be aiming your yard or two away from that edge more towards the middle of the green. And the reality is, like, all the really great players and all timers, they did it anyways. What they do, you know, like, they might not know the statistics, but they just know,

hey, I've got a seven iron. This pins four off the left. I should aim, you know, a couple paces to the right of this flag. And what he's done is he's quantified, strategy. And it's, there's little things, you know, now that I've picked up on that have helped me a lot, where, and this is the prime example, was my first year on Corn Ferry, my par five stats were absolutely abysmal.

And for courses where you got to shoot 25 to 28 under par to go in a golf tournament and not take advantage of part fives, I mean, good luck. And you're a long hitter. You hit it pretty far. Yeah. And so what we had found was. that I had been short-sighting myself on par-fives more often on approaches than I was from on par-fors and par-three.

So if you were to take the same yardage bucket, if you will, from let's say 175 to 250, I was leaving myself short-sided bunker shots or short-sided chips out of the rough way more often on par-fives. And so we figured out that part of it was I'm trying to carve something in there and hit something tight and make three and be the hero. And in reality, it's like, dude, just knock on the green to 40 feet, two putt. Maybe the one goes in, you know, the two out of 100 times. And, you know, now the center's scoring average goes down.

And so I kind of made a point last year that on par fives, it's like, you know, don't carve something in there, dumb ass. Like hit something in the middle of the green, take your four, move on. And so, you know, the funny part was the first few months I did it. it from like January and then we had the break but like January through June I had like just like a stupid amount of eagles just because I was all of a sudden hitting a shot that had barely pushed and it ends up going to like 10 feet and yeah right I'm in there thank you right but um that yeah that's kind of that's that's that's that's a beef I have some of

these announcers oh what an aggressive shot from Zalotor's I'm like I pushed it 35 feet it's a great I see I find that so fascinating because a lot of you know we'll go back and watch tiger rounds right just from majors and and I'm always amazed at how unspectacular a lot of them are where he right and like yeah he has the moments that we go crazy for but he's so patient and a lot of like you're saying like on a par five where it's like oh tiger's got 247 like he could he could hit this sick cut two iron in there or whatever now. Maybe like a five iron for you guys. And he just dumps one in a left bunker and you're kind of like,

all right, but then he's got a sick sand game and he gets up and down every time. When you add it up, all of a sudden like, man, I didn't watch Tiger play Unreal Golf for the last four days, but guess what? He's got a one-shot lead and now he's better under pressure than everybody else and he wins. Or even like when you watch Tom Brady, a lot of Tom Brady's, you know, big games for the first half, I feel like you'll watch him and he just kind of throws it away a good amount. He doesn't fuck up. He doesn't make big mistakes.

So the next thing you know, you haven't watched what you thought was an unbelievable performance, but he's in the game with the football in the last 10 minutes and he's going to win. And I think that type of strategy is so, it's fascinating to, like you said, quantify it because the best players, whether they knew it or not, were doing that from a statistically proven standpoint. Yeah, and Scott's been a great friend. I don't endorse anything he puts on Twitter, that's for the damn sure. but he's been a great mentor and he's taught me a lot. But yeah, it's the same thing like, you know, Jordan in 2015.

It was like Jordan in 2015, Jason Day, 2015, Tiger 2000, 2001. They all had similar short side to fat side ratios. So it was like 75, 25, 25 hitting it on the fat side of the hole, which just shows you it's like, you know, you break that down. You're like, okay, let's 70. five percent's the number the more we hear about the way you guys approach this game and and all the numbers and analytics I go into do you think guys like us like oh bryson de chambot like an apology for saying he's the scientist and he's the guy that's like going like you guys are all kind of doing this right like you're all approaching the game in an analytical way it's just like

he's super just cringy about it on instagram and stuff like like I guess you're all just taking the same approach kind of right yeah I mean Where it helps us is it helps us learn what we need to practice. So it's like if all of a sudden I'm, you know, let's say I'm, you know, missing some five to eight footers and I'm like, you know, this is ridiculous. Like I've got to go practicing five to eight footers. Well, then I go back and look at my stats and all of a sudden my lagging or proximate or what do they call it, approach putt distance is like just complete garbage.

well it's like okay well maybe you do need to work on some shorter putts but it's actually your speed is your problem you're giving yourself so many opportunities and just putting yourself on the eight ball that yeah like this is why you're technically not putting well is actually speed so you're able to like super see exactly what you need to work on and even and so that's why like so i've worked with josh gregory and josh gregory he basically three two and it was like two and a half years ago gave me a practice routine and we've stuck to it for a couple years. And it's like it checks all the boxes. I mean, short putts, you know, mid-length, working on big breakers, lags. But after every tournament, we're able to see specifically what the issue was. And I can maybe put a little more emphasis in one of those certain areas. Man, it's also really interesting because I, you know, when you weren't watching

Golf Channel during Masters Week, I'm watching Brando-Chambly nonstop. And he's, you know, he goes on. on a lot about how everybody talks about the greens at Augustine, how you have to put lights out, and how that's just statistically not true. And he talks about Bubba Watson historically, who's won twice, who's not a great putter, you know, compared

to everybody else out on tour. And that really, if you want to focus on somebody's like putting to win the masters, it's like putting to not fuck it up, right? Like two putting from difficult spots. Or when you have those 15 footers, like not leaving yourself a five foot slider above

the hole and actually like ball striking and your iron play getting you in spots where you won't three jack is way more important than putting lights out historically in terms of winning the tournament so it is interesting how you know stats can sort of dispel some of the things that we all take for granted yeah i mean like sorry my little puppy because uh she doesn't like other dogs but we love dogs it's a pro dog show yeah she's the best she's just uh she's a little young but um like 16 the 5 first day of the pin is on the water line so like maybe like 13 and four let's say and you basically if you leave it up on the top shelf you're going to have 10 feet like you just it's physically not

possible to keep it within 10 feet and so like I was getting heckled it's like yeah four three puts and four rounds is what it caused out for us a tournament I'm like okay well it's break down my three puts here. You've got above the pin on 16 the first day, which I hit to 10, I mean, it was a terrible shot. I hit in the wrong spot. 10, the final round, 50 feet above the hole with 10 feet of break. The guy must have counted one from off the green on four, which was 75 feet with downhill a ridge that went left, and then it actually goes back right about 10 feet, or right about 6 feet for the last 10 feet at the end.

And then I had another one that, I'm trying to think of which one it was. But like the four three putts that I had were literally because I hit it in just absolute atrocious spots. And I mean, I had actually two putted one on 14 from like 100. I mean, it was literally, back left hand front right and so you can think of all the massive hills in the front and i literally was like i have to hit this thing so hard i might chip this and i might be the one guy that just takes

a massive crater out of the green at augusta and never get invited back and so i hit it as hard as i possibly could and i didn't even get it up i literally it was almost going to come back down to my feet but i had to make like a 35 footer for a two-put like but it's like i just put myself in the bad, like put myself in bad spots, and it's like, yeah, I mean, you have to do something crazy to two put. And it's historically correct that, yeah, I mean, if you break down the run that I had, um, and it goes Friday, or Friday, uh, on the back nine, I one putt in my last nine holes. And it's like, if you break down where I was, you're like, I mean, the toughest putt you had was like a 20 foot or straight up hill. So, I mean, other than that, I'm like missing it, you know,

short-sided just off the green and having super easy chips. So it's just, it's really interesting. Like, even as I was going through it, there's a little luck involved for sure, but I'm like, oh, lucky I missed it there. I mean, you know, just because it's like all these guys there's so much local knowledge.

And I've tried to gain as much as I could over the years from playing there. But it's just, you know, when the greens are running 14 and you're basically putting down the sides of hills and whatnot, it's a lot going on. It makes it, it's funny because it makes it, interesting and very tricky, I guess, I would say, from a statistic standpoint, right? Because it'd be very easy for someone to pinpoint that as like, oh, yeah, if Salatoris had just

putted a little better instead of those three putts, he would have, he could have won, but that's not true. Like, if you would have hit those iron shots, wedge shots, approach shots a little bit better, you wouldn't have been in spots where you could three putt. So it's like you can kind of deduce it however you really want to as a statician. But if you know, if you actually like watched and know, you would understand, like you said on 16, like, you have no chance of getting it inside of 10 feet when you're right on 16. And then from 10 feet, you're less than 50% on the PG-Tor. So really, you're like less, your iron shot puts you in a position where you're less

than 50% chance to, like, to 2 button. Yeah. Yeah. And now I just remember the other one I had was actually on 13. And I had like a 90-yard wedge shot that I hit to like 40 feet. I'm like, you should make six if you're going to hit that bad of a wedge shot. Like, especially after you're laying up from like two, I think I had like two 15, but it was raining and I was just barely in the rough. And I'm like, sitting there, I'm laying up with a sand wedge.

And I'm looking at my caddy. I'm like, can we just like think this through? Like, just give me like a target because I feel like I can just fall asleep here and just hit this in an 80 yard wide spot with a 55 degree. Like, give me an angle. Like, give me something. Did you mess anything up at Augusta, Matt? Masters Week, non- like golf related, just Augusta-related? Like, did you walk into the wrong spot?

Did you say the wrong thing? Yeah, obviously you can tell immediately. So, I mean, I never, I mean, never been in the press room. You know, they did one of those, like, little quick interviews off the, kind of right by the first T. And so they say, hey, we're going to take to the press building on Friday. And I knew I was going to be in the last group. And I was like, cool.

And so they take me to the press building. And it's just, it's incredible. I mean, it is just absolutely, I mean, you're going through tunnels there. And, oh, it's just the stuff they have in there is amazing. The build out is incredible. But I don't know what I'm doing. I mean, I've, you know, I've seen the interviews. I mean, I've, you know, I've seen the guys without their hats and seen the background.

I've no idea where it is. Whatever. And I just, I walk in, take my hat off, put my phone in the little cubby, and I'm like, cool, all right, it's ready to go. And I literally, I just opened the door, he was about to walk into the press room, like, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, sorry, I, I've never been here before I knew to this. He goes, we walk in first. Yes, sir, okay. What?

So, well, and so they, the guy's awesome. I mean, he was super cool about it, because he knew I was a rookie. And so he was like, he's like, it's okay. like you're doing it to this and and so he's like he as we're walking through the hallway he said you're going to sit in the left chair um i'll be on the right and you know we'll probably ask i think he gave me a precise number like it was like seven questions and then uh and then it's it'll be uh you know it'll be time to go and i just i was so like awestruck by everything and you know of course like when i went over the door it's like no i walk you know we walk in first

of yes sir you know sorry you know and the best part about that is it's like you hear all the stories about augusta and um how everyone's always scared about you know walking on eggshells there like they're so nice it's like just ask a question and they don't care but it's like you know you still don't want to you know ruffle any feathers by accident or whatever and you know if if he didn't stop me i would have just walked right into the press or right into the you know chair and just probably sat in the wrong chair. Hey guys, what's going on? What do you want?

People would have shrieked in the background. Oh. It's just a trapdoor comes out. You just fall to the floor. I probably would have figured out something was wrong when all the press guys are looking around and shut up. Look at this guy. He's in the final group of the Masters.

He can do whatever he wants. Look at this. A good jerk. What are the tunnels like? Tell us a little bit about the tunnels. We hear so much about them. I want to know just a little bit more about the tunnels. Yeah.

So I wish I knew how long it took him to build it, but I want to say it took them literally one offseason to do it. And they just popped up one year. But what I was told, and this is not by any master's officials, but what I was told is that you can fit 18 wheelers in there to bring in merchandise of food. Which I'm pretty consistent. convinced you could do it. Really? But it's, you know, their air condition, they fit in with the architecture of the club.

It's, you know, because I mean, I still don't even know where the hell the locker room is because you take a tunnel and I don't know which direction it goes. Like if I did not take the tunnel, I don't know where I'm going. I think the locker rooms were left of the range, like way left of the range, but I'm, You just go underground and then when you emerge, you're just at the locker room. Yeah. So when we took, so I would, we'd go into player parking, pop on a shuttle. They would go left of, they immediately turn left. So you're driving actually towards a clubhouse.

And then there's a shuttle. But then it goes down underneath. But it arcs like, I think it goes underneath the range at one point, but then underneath the road left of the range. And then it pops up left. So that's why I'm so. thrown off is because it's like you do like an underground circle all the way around. You are talking like you're talking like a guy who was blindfolded. Like they just keep you going in different directions where you don't know where you are.

It's just, it's so cool, man. Like, they just do everything just so, I mean, they think of everything. I mean, it's just, you know, like I walk in and every locker room attendant knows the players. Like they know exactly, you know, hi, Mr.'s out to. you know hey great birdie on 13 yesterday i'm like whoa you know it's like it's like you want to give some shit about the three but i had me but um but i try to they it's just off the charts i mean i'm trying to think of what else they do there's so just like the cool things of like the little little things here and there but they just they think of everything you said walking on eggshells

like don't you like like that right like we all like the idea that you have to walk on eggshells at augustin national it's a place that we just let them be as crazy as possible. Let them make sure that everything is pristine. I can't walk into that room without walking behind a guy in a green jacket. It's the one place that should always stay like that. Well, and that's the thing. It's like we love it because of that too.

Right, right, exactly. You know, it's like, it's not me, you know, talking smack about Augusta. It's like, I'm saying that affectionately. Yeah, right. The traditions of the place, I mean, it's just incredible. I mean, the, um, I, so I had heard that when the Eisenhower tree fell, that they gave all the members a piece of the tree. And then they also made a dining room table out of it.

The thing I did not realize was all the T-markers and all the benches on every hole were from the Eisenhower tree. So there's just stuff like that where it's like, I mean, so I've played there, I guess now probably nine or ten rounds. And it's like every single time I go there, I'm learning something new about the place and I'm just like, damn, this place is so cool. God.

It's like it's like you guys just, I would love to sit. there in a meeting. It just, and I just want to see how it goes. Like, I could just see him just going like, all right, well, you know, how are we going outdo last year? Right. You know, like, I mean.

How do they? Yeah. They don't find a way. Our first, our first year there was 2017 and then we went again in 2018. That was the last time we were there. And I remember between, I believe it was between those two years in 2018 when we showed up. They just had built a new like seven and a half million dollar merch center. that Trent and I were like, oh, we just missed that last year.

Like, how did we not see that? And people are like, no, that just didn't exist. And now it's there. And nobody, they didn't tell anybody about it, just appeared. Yeah, I mean, I hadn't been to Augusta, I guess, in four years, maybe five. And they said at like, Berkman's place, like, I didn't ever even heard of it. And then they're telling me about it. And I'm like, dude, that is like six flags on roids for golf.

I mean, you've got the simulators, the putting greens, and, like, Scotty Cameron and some of the Scotty guys will come in and, you know, fit guys and, like, all the manufacturers come in and they've got the all-you-can-eat buffet, and I heard the tickets this year were going for, like, $10,000. I'm just like, they think of everything. I mean, the best, I still think the best part about that, or the best, like, kind of outside the golf course story is how the free parking used to. to be like an old neighborhood. And they slowly started buying houses and one guy still holding onto his house. It's right by the free parking. I think that's, I think that's amazing.

Yeah. That guy's just the lone survivor. He's not going anywhere. Yeah. The place is just, it's phenomenal. We did a, like,

preview episode where we just talked to a bunch of fans that called in and that they've been to Augusta. And the amount of people that called in that said that, like, they risk their lives of jobs to sneak onto the place at night. It was absolutely astonishing. I mean, we only talk.

to, we only talked to like 10 people, like three of them snuck onto Augusta, took their shoes off, walked around like Amen Corner, like crazy shit. I mean, you ain't doing that now. They got cameras. No, yeah, this was back in the early 2000s, late 90s. They said like they did it. So yeah, we heard there's like 10,000 cam. What's the number of cameras? Someone said there's just an absurd amount of cameras. I guarantee every inch of that place that they've got it covered. I mean, I was even laughing at COVID testing. Like they had little buildings put up just for COVID tests. And I asked, I was like, are these just for, you know, COVID testing? Like, yeah, you know, I had to build them in November for November. I'm like, like, what happened to the white tents? Like, you guys have air-conditioned rooms. Did you get any merch?

Did you buy some merch? Yeah, I did. I got a lot. I didn't go, but my parents and fiancé went. and we got a bunch of stuff. I mean, I have to be like the biggest snob ever walking around with like a master's coffee cup. Now it's like, you know, like I'm scared to wear the master's face mask because it's like if anyone's going to, if anyone sees me out wearing it, they're like, look at this guy. I mean, my God, he's got one good week and I was still living off it.

So I try to tame it down, but they had some cool stuff this year. They had T-shirts that were like for all the sandwiches that they make. So, yeah, then this is like, they're like collectors things where it's like the only the one year you can do it. But I did get the Scotty Cameron and Master's Potter too. I know Frank is going to get something, Augusta, right now, I feel like. Did you go get something, Frankie? No, no, no, we can. No, we can hear you.

Oh, here we should. He's all right. That's the whole thing. No, they're doing the lawn outside. And, like, it was just the guy came right up to the window. I'm like, it's just going to be an issue. So I ran and I almost ran and got my master's coffee mug. I got one of those, too.

That thing's sweet. I got the flag behind me. I mean, it's, yeah. See, everybody gets merged. You can spend a lot of money on that merch. Oh, my God. Well, the Scotty Cameron collector's putter, I know a bunch of guys collect them. And so I was like, yeah, I'll get one.

I mean, hell, I don't know if I'm ever going to be back here. I mean, you know, you never know. So I was like, yeah, I'll get it. And so my coach, Troy Denton, it's like, yeah, they're normally like, 300 bucks. And so I told my mom and dad, was like, yeah, just go get one. And, you know, we could ship it back. And they, like, put it up on the counter and it was like $7.99. And my mom called me.

She's like, you sure you want to do this? I'm like, yeah, I mean, why not? So, like, we had a couple friends over there. And it's like, if he's not buying it from you, I'll buy it from it. So it's a pretty, I mean, it's pretty cool. an old leather handle where you've got to take the head off to you have to put it up through the bottom of the shaft and screw the top on it's pretty sick I mean it's a no brain that's awesome gentlemen want to me ask you a little question what uh is the first thing it comes to mind when you see me holding a little something like this deliciousness tasty snack best golf course snack you can have this is called chef's cut beef jerky and you guys are correct everything that you said is correct because this shit this chef's cut beef jerky is

The only thing goes in my bag in terms of snacks. You don't have to worry about making anything. You grab this chef cut, which again was come up with, created by caddies. They understand what people want on the golf course. What's a perfect golf snack? The answer is chef's cut, real jerky. They got all kinds of flavors, too. This is the only thing in my bag that I eat, fellas.

Can you hear me taking the plastic off this jerky stick? Listen, listen. Oh, yeah, that's a good audio there. What about me just writing in the air? I mean, something right now. I mean, now's going to make someone puke. That's all right. That noise is going to make someone legitimately vomit because I was a wet chew by me.

And I apologize, but I cannot control myself when I have chefs cut beef jerky in my mouth and in my hands. I mean, the sticks are good. The zero sugar. Yeah. The zero sugar chefs cut packaged beef jerky is so fucking good. And you know you're eating something that's not that bad for you. You know what I mean? It's got no sugar in it.

and they have all different types. They got terriaki. They got regular. They got Bill Tong. You love Bill Tong. Talk to me a little about Bill Tong. You love it. Fuck, man.

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And then you also can go to Chef's Cut, Real Jers. Jerky.com. Use the code CC4Play. That's CC4 play. You're going to get 25% off. The Chef's Cut Real Jerky at MeatSix are available nationwide of your local Kroger and also at Chef's Cut Realjurkey.com. Use the code CC4 play. One word for 25% off. Smacking that fucking mic with my meat, man. ASMR shit. I want to ask you a question. We had a big debate prior to the Masters and we like to break down every hole and stuff. So we, I, I, I asked the question, if you're an amateur golfer, right, not Will's Altaur, so you're fucking sick. If you're an amateur hack, what would you feel more confident that you could score a better, you could have a better score on? 12 at Augusta or 17 at TPC Sawgrass. For the average golfer, stepping up to that T, what hole am I making a better score on?

12. 12. Thank you, Will. Thank you. 17, like, so there's the thing about 12. as long as I can coach them. The thing about 12 is you're aiming at the left edge of that bunker every single time, the front bunker.

Like there's just no reason to hit one over there on the right side. 17, if you play it back from 130, 140, and I'm thinking of this in tournament conditions, because that green was 17 at Sawgrass was new this year. There was a new green. It just planted it or sodded it, whatever. I mean, it was like firm. Like, I could not. It was a joke.

I mean, the back left pin, I landed a 50 degree with the wind off my right at the base of the slope and it skipped up the hill. I mean, it was just, it was crazy how firm it was. But 17, I mean, you hit a bad, you pull one, you push one during the water. I mean, it's that, I think it's that small. If you're like a 10 or 12 handicap, if you play 12 at Augusta, like you can get away with some misses. Like, I probably hit about a five handicapped. cap tea shot on Sunday at a guest on 12. I laid the sod over that thing and it was still dry.

But it's also because I aimed at the right spot. But yeah, 12. Yeah, I would say, like, I was hard on the side of, if you put me on either hole, like, I think because the green is like more circular and bigger on, and a little bit shorter on 17, it's like, I think I could dump a wedge in the middle of that green and two putt more often than I could hit like a nine or an eight iron and actually make a three. on 12 at Augusta, but the new green, watching the new green on 17 this year at the players was preposterous.

Like I think it was Moracawa who said he's like, I hit a gap wedge that landed on the front of the green. I couldn't find my ballmark. So, I mean, you guys, if you guys are hitting wedges, you can't find ballmarks and like nobody could two put to that back right pin or nobody could get it within, you know, eight feet. It was kind of like 16 at Augusta when you're up top on Sunday. So the new green might change things for me.

Yeah. Frankie, I will put a little caveat into this that I think more. more people make par on 12 than, or no, more people make par on 17, but they make bigger numbers. Okay, right. Right, so that's why I kind of worded the question

where, what are you more confident that you could score, you could have a better score on the T? Like, if you're looking out, like, what is more appealing to your eye? Something like what you said, where you can just aim into a couple bunkers, you can make a miss, you can push one out, right? You can pull one left and you still dry. If I make a mistake on 17 and I don't have it that day, I'm making a 12. I'm pulling a Trent and I'm walking back to Iowa.

I don't want to play golf anymore. Like I'm just not finishing the hole, but I think I can finish the hole on 12 at Augusta. Yeah. Like that's my whole point is it's like even there's guys in someone making 11 there this year at Stargrass. Yeah, somebody made a really high number. Yeah, someone made like an 11 there. But it's like any pro, like if you just tell them to hit a wedge in the dead middle of the green and move on, like, yeah, it's just, just hit in the middle of the green, like, you're going to three put it a couple times just because that green's so severe. The one time where maybe you hit one and the pins on the right and it catches the ridge and goes down to six feet, you're like, yeah, I got this.

But, you know, 12, I think for as long as, I mean, 17 is just, it's a big circle. 12 like you know the wind shifts a little bit but I just think that guys you make more pars on 17 but god you're gonna make a mess of it once you start renting a few yeah I was thinking like if it was if the challenge was you get to play each of them once and it's like a million dollars if you can make a par which hole are you choosing like I'm taking 17 but if it's like you play each of them a hundred times and and which one will be your lower scoring average then I'd probably take 12 I think it's close. If you played them at the same distance, I think it's close. Yeah.

Same distance. It gets dicey. Yeah. But I mean, I think it, yeah, like if I had the million dollar challenge, I'm taking 17. Okay. So, but if you need me to make, you know, say if I can't make bogey, I'd probably contemplate

playing 12. Interesting. What was the, is there one moment where you were the most nervous over a shot or a moment during the Masters this year? I'd probably say first T, either first day or third round. I think it's just because it's like, I'm probably going to go first T first round, actually,

because I think it's just, you know, four plays now driving, you know, you just, I've heard that for so many guys, and then all of a sudden they say your name, and it's like, you know, I almost kind of looked over at my caddy and I'm like, it was pretty cool. You know, I kind of wanted to kind of admire it for a second, but I'm like, still got to hit shot.

I mean, still got to show up. But I was laughing because I had like, I had like a 10 footer that was like uphill, but then it was kind of like catching a ridge for birdie on the first. I had a great shot in there. And I had to play two feet of break in it, but it was still like I had to hit it up the hill. And I think I left it like two feet short. and I just started laughing at myself. I was just like, you pipe the first T shot at Augusta,

you even dream about that one. You hit the dream second shot in there, and then you lay up a 10-footer. Wait a go, pal. If you're, so a couple of just miscellaneous questions. What is like the farthest carry yardage on, let's say, a par five, that you would decide to go for it? Like, what's the number where you're like,

okay, I can carry that? Yeah, I mean, no wind dead flat Probably Probably 305 Well, like off the T You're talking off the T or for the second chat Either one, like it's just interesting Either one, I want to hear that thought press

Like if you got to carry off the T Yeah, the T shot's easier to explain Because it's like if I've got enough room Side to side to side You know, from like tree line to tree line or whatever And if I've got a bunker that's like 305, like, yeah, I'll hit driver every time. The second shot is where things get a little dicey,

because, you know, now we're talking about, you know, misses and, you know, I mean, I can hit three wood. I mean, if I've got 280, 285, I mean, I can get three wood there. But it's got to be a pretty right scenario to do it. So, I mean, I'd say, I'd probably say 280, 285. the right conditions and kind of like giving me the right room to do it. I mean, it's like, you've got holes like, I guess it's eighted San Antonio where it's like the green is just like this big and there's just no reason to go for it because you just hit

in a bunker and you're making, I mean, you hit in one of the bunkers in your short side. You've got a tough time just even keeping it on the green playing ping pong. So let's say it's like par five. It's like a back right pin. It's 278 to cut. cover like water but if you cover water you know you can pretty much get it up and down from anywhere like are you comfortable being like I'm pulling through it and I'm just roasting it over that 270 yeah I mean you're you're talking dream shot there for me that's like like if you're

to ask me exactly what my favorite shot would like if you had like the one shot that you'd want to hit it's like three wood just hide bomb right at it par five you know close the curtains it's over. Yeah. Like that's like, I've gotten asked that question before. I've given it every single time. And I, yeah, the whole three wood, we've, 18th hole at Dallas National. It's that exact scenario.

And I mean, I love that shot so much. That hole has made me some nice side coin. So you like to just send it with the three wood off the deck. Yeah. I love that. I mean, just hitting a high, just ball them out of the sky. knocked in there tight. That's probably why my part five scored was

just complete trash just because I'm like trying to hit something to the moon and like in my mind I'm thinking of the tiger twirl and like oh yeah, that's going to be funny plugs in the bunker and I six. Speaking of the twirl, I brought up, the twirl has gotten out of control on tour.

It's gotten out of control. When we're watching the Masters and we can't see exactly where that ball's going and I'm watching you guys, maybe not you specifically, but I see a twirl, it better be tiger-esque where that ball's right next to the fucking pin because we're gambling, we're at the we're at the Barstall's sports book

we're in Philadelphia and we're like we need a we need a birdie or better on 13 and we see this guy twirling it's on the back of the green we're like he's not making a fucking he's not making a birdie what's going like what is happening I I need to hear about what goes into your mind when you

when you do the twirl like is it immediate right after contact are you making sure that things right next to the stick talk to me through it so here's the best I'm here for you on the twirl thing You'll love this answer If you go back and look at me hitting shots I can't twirl the golf club

Like it's like there's one shot on 18 And I think it was either the second or third round And like my version of a twirl is literally just a club Like I just grab it Like I kind of drops in my hands and I'm like frozen Like when I twirl it there's like a 98% chance That club's coming out of my hands And I look like I've never done it before

So I'm here for you on the twirl part. I will counterbalance all the tour twirling that's going on. It's gotten out of hand, man. It's like, it's just. Yeah, the other part with me, too, the other part with me is like any time I have tried to twirl, I've normally like airmail to green or, you know, it's like it's just never worked out while. So I'm just like, it's a slaggy pee. He drives the, he goes for the three, turns around to the camera and it just banks off the fucking rim. It never went in.

It's like you can't celebrate before that ball hits the ground. Yeah, Tiger, Tiger President's Cup parting part club twirl walk is just I mean, it's the nastiest thing I've ever seen. Just full extension, he's got full extension. I mean, just, just sickening. I remember trying to do that like a month or two later

because I was playing in an East versus West match for AJGA. And I like, I remember doing it on 18. And I like hit it and I went to like, 40 feet. And I'm like, yeah, that was nice. It feels good. Feels good, but execution's not there. So what's next? Where are we at? Where are we at next? How's our outlook looking? Yeah, I got a lot of golf coming up. I'm going to go get a, do a quick trip to Kewa,

go check it out. I've never played there before. I'm going to play a lot, actually. I'm going to play six out of seven coming up. So it'll be a busy stretch. I mean, it'll be fun though because I got two weeks at home so that's like you know you get out and I've been asked before it's a man you know I'm sure you don't want to take a week off I'm like what those two weeks at home like what am I going to do while I'm at home I'm going to go play a game with my buddies so it's like you know I'll go play five in a row like this like I've played seven to start this year and I'm not doing that again unless I have to um but really it sounds like it might go over Scottish and British and you know we'll kind of see what happens from here I mean you know obviously

say you got to win one to get in the FedEx Cup playoffs. So obviously I need to put more attention here for now. Sweet. Hell yeah. Well, dude, it was, it was got, real quick, real quick. You got all the Adam Sandler, Caddy stuff. I'm sure you've been heard about it for a fucking month now. But we actually talked to the real caddy from the movie.

I don't know if you saw that. This guy, Jared von Snellenberg, and he's a brain researcher. I mean, you guys could. It's one of the funniest. storylines of all time that this guy's just like studying brains i hope we're actually going to go and get my brain checked out one of these days but um it is funny just like that comparison and where that guy's sitting in like a school school somewhere just watching everyone call you him i thought that was just a funny little thing i've had it for like five years too that's the best part yeah so it that 60

degree just got retired i had to give uh because i had the mr gomore recaddy i had to honor uh butch so it looks like a one iron without a great grip on it so that's on the 60 right now but there's going to be more comparisons it'll keep on rolling oh yeah there's a lot yeah there's a lot of uh there's some traction there's no doubt totally uh well look we appreciate it was it was insanely fun to watch the masters i can tell the way that you talk through it the way that you remember every single shot that it's still burning a little bit there's still some unfinished business with you and augustin national so i like that a lot and uh and good luck out there we appreciate the time

Thanks for having me, boys. It was a lot of fun. Look forward to meeting you guys in person. Yeah, man. And you're like my slender king. We both have like the same frame. So keep slaying it out there, man. You're like, we needed one of the, we needed a guy out there on tour.

You got all these big, beefy, like Brooks kept to his all. He's actually. I was going to say, well, relax. You can't claim skin anymore. You got more dough on your body now. No, relax. Listen, we both got the whole, we got the slender look to us. So when I see him out there, it's like, hey, one of us is doing it.

I'm here for you, Frank. Thanks, bro. We're looking forward to seeing you at a tournament, man. You're up-and-coming superstar, and we're very excited to have you on the show. And thanks for the time, man. Yeah, thanks, boys. Thanks, Will. Appreciate it, man.

Yeah, we'll see it.