Fore Play - WMPO Week Live From AZ feat. Taylor Montgomery

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Phoenix Open and the Big Game descend upon Arizona. We’re here with much to discuss from the St. Andrews Swilken Bridge addition to Aaron Rodgers sandbagging to the Netflix doc and beyond. Then Dan chats with Taylor Montgomery (01:10:01) to breakdown comparing himself to others, caring about money, and chasing a Masters invite.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Oh, Rick! What's up, my brother? I've got a buddy who struggles with that shot. He'll like, his name's Frankie Burrilli. So the guys actually gave him a nickname of Butterknives because he always knives to the cross the green. Rock 100?

Now you've got to break 90. We appreciate what you guys do for golf. It's been really cool. Thank you. You're making it cool. we've reached it. I was like, hey, Phil, you only fucking $29.99.

And he grabs 100. He's like, yeah, I won 90,000 of these yesterday. He goes, take 100 and go fuck yourself. What? What are you guys hitting? It's a hobby. Foreplay, brought to you by Barstool Sports, presented by Chevy, Chevrolet,

EVs for everyone everywhere. Big week, big, big, big week. Super Bowl week, waste management, Phoenix Open Week. We are live in Scottsdale. We're actually at Weeklopah, which is just outside of Scottsdale. We're kind of on.

kind of on a tear of doing podcast interviews at golf clubs in Arizona. John Rom. John Rom. John Rob. The week before I did the Brando and McCord. Yeah, up at Greyhawk, now we're at Wicopa. We're doing the Suaro Scramble out there, which is going great.

Perfect weather finally. I say finally, because it's been actually shit weather in Arizona for the most part, relative to what our usual winters are like. Yeah, a lot of like 54 and cloudy days and stuff. Yeah, I was talking to my folks because they winter down here. And I had told them, because I stayed with them in between the ROM interview, and coming to Scottsdale for the bar stool, you know, waste management at Super Bowl week,

I stayed with them for a few days, and I had talked to him on the phone before coming, and they were like, it's been weird. We've been down here for two weeks. It's been 50 degrees. And then when I got here, it's been perfect, 70 every day.

Looks great all week, which I'm pumped about because I was, you know, when you tout, everybody's like that. You tout where you live and how great it is, and you always, you do that a little bit to, like, psych yourself up and make yourself happy that it's great. And then I was worried if the whole world comes Arizona, it's been the way that it's been.

It's going to be like 52 and cloudy. It would be like, this place gets hyped up and it sucks. Weather looks amazing all week. You sang a national anthem at the Swarrow Scramble. I'm still a little nervous about it. You said we were hitting balls after you did it and you said that the adrenaline was still leaving your body.

You were still shaky. So, I mean, I've sang and done performances before at Pup Punk, but it's like, you know, we sold out Irving Plaza and I sang Wagon Wheel to like a thousand people. And it was no issue because you're just up there and you see the darkness and you see the lights on you and you kind of just do it.

This was way more nerve-wracking. You have a bunch of golf guys standing aside their cart. just like anxiously waiting to just go play golf. Dead sober. Dead sober. Nine a.m. That's how sober it is. Quiet. It's quiet everywhere.

I also want to be clear that. I'm singing the national anthem. And I was nervous. I kind of just like spoke through it. I think next time I'll be able to like let my voice go a little bit more. You definitely found your groove towards the end. But even then I felt like, dude, it's a, it's really impressive that people are able to go out there and sing like acapella like that. And like, like, freely let their voice just go like and not be embarrassed of

that because every little mistake is magnified right so i was thinking like oh i can't like try and hit these notes right now because it's embarrassing meanwhile people just like eliminate that from their brain and they just do it and it ends up working so that's like a there's a wall there that i got talk to dr brett mccabe about you went 100% of the lyrics which i think is big yeah can't be up there and forget and then you ruin the whole thing yeah i think uh i think it went pretty well and it was funny leading up to it you were like i i don't want to do this i you can't force me to do it I don't want to do it. It was your idea. Yeah, it was my idea.

You brought up on the podcast and that was it. Yeah, no, that's kind of what we deal with. But that was, I could sense, like, when you started the leak a few weeks ago, just little hints that you wanted to sing that. Just think it's going to add a little space. We're going to all these Barso classics. Also shout out to everyone for the Barso Classic. Sold out.

Four minutes and 15 seconds or something like that. Yeah. 25 stops across the city. This is the fifth year it's sold out in five minutes. That's fucking outrageous. I mean, I'll never forget the first year we did, uh, it was when bar. Barstool Gold was a thing. RIP, I think.

Is that still, that was like a subscription service? Yep. That has gone by the wayside. Mark Cone. That was a Mark Cone production. I think of it was a specialty. And we did a,

you know, we had never done Barstall Classic ever, first year, the whole deal. And it went pretty quick from like inception to registration. It was like two months total. And we did a 24 hour window

for all Barstool Gold members. And then, you know, the 24 hours after that, we opened it up to the entire public. I like gold. Can I paint us you, gold? Well, we were nervous about it.

Bung in the Blitz. Well, keep going. That first, I remember asking, my guy. Smoking a pancake. Josh at the time. Josh was the one handling a lot of the logistics. And after an hour,

we had nine teams signed up. And we were like, were you panicking? Oh, yeah. I mean, we were like, dude, we have to cancel. How many stops were there the first? Eight.

Okay. It was like, and we stuck with sort of, sort of the, you know, we mirrored the barstool model, city model. It was like we did two stops at Boston. We'd one in Chicago, one or two in Chicago, New York, Philly. Like, that's kind of how we did it. And then the next day at noon, when it opened up to the whole public, the whole thing sold out in, you know, for the most part, like 10 minutes again. And we were like, thank God. And it is, you know, there's talk about recession and prices and inflation and you worry that, you know, you just worry every time. We book 25 venues, you know, it's like we got all these sponsors lined up.

You just, we need people to fork up hundreds of dollars and play in this event. Otherwise, it just doesn't work. And so when it does sell out really quickly, it's very cool. It also does, you feel bad for people. I understand a lot of folks in Texas are upset. We didn't go to Texas. Two years in a row, we haven't gone back to Colorado. The end of the day, we're doing 25 stops.

And we double up in a few cities. So we really go to like 20 states. That means there's 30 states that we're just not going to be able to go to. So that's just, it is the, it's just the nature of doing it. Well, we had a weird day when it went live because we interviewed John Ron that day. at 10 a.m. West Coast time or whatever. What is this? Mountain time? We're mountain time because we don't do a... That's right. You guys don't abide, which I respect.

We don't abide. So as soon... When it went live, we were starting interview John Rom. So we were kind of... You're interviewing John Rom. And then you go into the other end of it. And it's like, what's it going to be? Like, is it going to sell out or have we sold two teams? Who knows? We finished like the biggest interview of our lives. And then we were like, holy shit. Everything was just perfect. And then we look at our phone at live events.

So this is like sold out in four minutes. congratulations guys that's unbelievable it's just like holy shit is that the same day they made the trade too for the islanders traded for boh whorevette like an all-time frayette we just signed them for eight yeah i haven't even talked about that this podcast i mean i'm fully erect for like four straight days islanders went out and got a goal score for the first time legitimately in my life it's the biggest trade of my lifetime then they just signed him right they signed him for eight years so him and barzell him and barzell will be here from the time they're 26 to 35 and that's just like the prime of their career and that's a really good move to do you think there's any rift within the team that this

new guy that's not an islander bang it's like their biggest contract no Barzell's got more than him which is good and and Andrewsley's right there so it's like I mean he's making a rant no one's like Rick's trying to sew no I know it's of they're happy man like I'm just asking questions if you're like a core if you're a core teammate like when you play on a team

and you have like I mean I only played on like high school team so I didn't really know about bringing in new guys but like you play with the same guys all the time it's nice to have like that new blood like they have like a jolt of energy even if it's not for this year if it's going to be hard to make the place this year. We had this guy for eight years.

You can build off this now. So it's fucking cool. I wish we were doing the scramble. Now I'd be like, hey, Brock, did you hear? What did that new guy get? Man. Where's he from? Brock's going to score so many more goals because of him.

So I think they're all going to be happy. That is big news. It's exciting. That's great. Yeah, that was a big day. Big day. The John Rahm interview. A huge moment for us.

We come full circle. This has been six years of the Fourplay podcast. So January 31st, I believe, of this year was when we published our first show in 2017. It was waste management Phoenix Open Week. Now they moved it back a week because of the Super Bowls moved back in the 17 games and the whole deal.

So we're a week behind. But this has been six years of that. And if you go to me and Trent just chopping it up, we spoke with Ollie Snyder Jans about his shampoo. Yep. It's literally what we talked about. The first time we posted a show, 530-something shows ago. Yeah.

To sitting down with John Rahm. On this show, we have Taylor Montgomery who's been red-hot, young player playing incredibly well. Dan got him, sat down with him, so you're going to get another interview at the end of this. We've been on a heater with interviews from Larry Fitz and that whole crew down at the LPGA event

to Brandl and McCord to John Rom to people I'm probably forgetting that we had in there. Oh, we had Trotty, who's always on Friday. Now we got Terry Montgomery, so we got a lot. We just did myself, Frankie and Trent, because I think that full circle for people of the podcast for that John Rom interview, I don't know how many, probably dozens of hours we've spoken about John Rom on this show

and to have our journey come full circle with us sitting down with them how excited we get as guys that aren't really inside the ropes interviewing people to be like we're gonna sit down with John Buck and Rahm who showed up alone

he drove up in his car he parked right next to the little spot that we were doing that he walked right in, sat down and was like yeah I don't really have a hard out by the way so you know let's go. Being able to tell him the bomb diffuser joke

which is what we've always said about him for like four years and him laughing out loud was like the craziest moment of my life it's like this is the shit we always kind of talk shit about you about it and you find it funny that's perfect i gotta give you guys credit because he was different than i'd ever seen him in any other interview yeah and i think that's because it was you guys

you know i think he felt comfortable that this wasn't like a normal journalist asking him like questions yeah so he was just you know i've made the joke sometimes that when he's at tournaments he kind of seems like he needs a cigarette at all times yeah you know i mean just a little cranky yeah and there was none of that so you guys really crushed i think he knew the back story also No, we got to do it a little bit with him. He kept it close to like, I think he knew. Like at one point, was that on the recording where he's like, you guys talk 45 minutes about the gold record? Yeah, that was, that was not.

He just listens to the podcast. Yeah. I think he knew more than we had known that he knew going into it. Yeah, and I remember going in like I was debating heavily, and you could probably see on the video between having notes, having my iPad and not. And I think as we, as soon as we got rolling, I just put it down. I was like, no. He mentioned the iPad right when he sat down and you weren't there. Really?

He, like, got it in. you were in the bathroom he goes oh you guys got an iPad i'm like you know we just like put that there to act like we know what we're doing and there's a there's a there's a internal struggle for me of like there's so many things i want to ask yeah that i don't want to forget but also like i know it does to dance point i think it changes the entire kind of like dynamic of us and you when it's like we are sitting down asking questions right you are giving answers yeah and so i kind of was like nope i don't need it let's just do this uh and yeah i think it did come off like that you never know what you're going to get. He could also like somebody like him has just a bad morning and is like,

I got this obligation. He shows up. It could be a totally different thing. He could be shut off a little bit. Who the fuck knows? But he came in and was very open. He was very candid. He essentially was just like, yeah, let's just talk. That was that was what we did. And yeah, it seems to be positively received. I think it's, yeah, it was cool. Kind of the whole point that we launched this whole thing was like to be able to do stuff like that and showcase, you know, people and especially players in the world of golf because they don't get showcased that well or that often outside of just being inside the ropes. So very, very cool. Electric vehicles, baby, we're not in the past anymore. We're in the future. We're living currently in this future, in this future requires electric vehicles. There's

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noon we go to the kingdom the stealth too you hear a lot about it fargiveness we actually did a really cool test which we talked about would try you of like hitting it off the toe on purpose hitting it off the heel on purpose or as close as we could and they have you know this little spray painter chalk they put in the club so you can actually see when you hit it off the toe and then look at the numbers and it was amazing you could hit it and feel like you missed the ball and they were still going 250 260 280 out there and going in the fairway that was only 30 yards wide or whatever and so we kind of showcase all that in this video from the kingdom and it just you get the full

taramane experience one of those things where like if you like it feels like the ad like they write it down saying like hey here's a self too and like if you hit it off the toe it goes straight and we actually physically visually showed you how true it is it's nuts like halfway through I'm like, people are going to think we're just lying. Like, we have to make sure that the tracer's correct. Like, these balls were going right down the middle. Right. Cruising altitude. And they were barely on the club face.

I, one of mine, half the ball was on the club. And it went dead straight. So, I mean, the technology is insane. We got Trent in one of those suits. Those little balls, video game suits. Not the most appealing thing in the world. That's in this, yeah. This video, so we've done the kingdom.

I think this is our third video at the kingdom. The other two were just like traditional. fittings. This one's definitely more like chapter base where it's like we're going all around all the things that they have to offer. It's a very, very cool video. It's quicker pace. There's a lot more stuff that you can pull from it as opposed to just watching us get fit. And then at the end you can watch us get fit. So it's the best of both worlds. I think it's our best video that we've done at the kingdom yet, which, and they always do well. So hopefully people

watch it. Yeah, we got a little wacky with it too, which is a little wacky with it. Oh yeah. We like to get wacky. Oh yeah. We played that game. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Is that in there? Is that in there? We played this game where like they, day. Yeah, we hit Rory's clubs. Yeah, it was cool. That's good. And then speaking of, or to stay on the same theme of kind of showcasing folks in a different light,

Netflix doc just dropped another teaser. Dan's obviously in it a good amount, which we're allowed to say, right? Yep. That comes out this week. It comes out a week from Wednesday. Okay, so right after waste management. Yeah, there's a premier party this week and then, and then kicking off next week. Would you say you're wearing to that?

I got a green suit. That's insane. Yeah, I had the green. Like pretty waste management colors. I actually, I bought it last summer because a bunch of weddings coming up. I didn't just buy for this, but it worked out really well. You were going to wear bright green to just a wedding. Yeah, I'm going to wear like a summer wedding.

It's searsucker. I mean, this thing's out there. Searsucker. Is there a green? Do you like green because you can actually see it? Yeah, kind of. I'm not a huge fan of the reds and the browns because they're just the same color. They blend together.

Yeah, and I'm also pretty red as like a person. I noticed you wear a lot of green. I just was using context clues and figured you must be able to see green. You were very perceptive. Is this your first? Is this your first red carpet? First red carpet. I'm really, really excited.

Like, this thing has been in the works for so long. And it's just incredible that they filmed all season long, all year long, and the whole show six hours. Yeah. And so it's like, it's got to be so tough. It's insane, dude. Thousands and thousands and thousands of hours. And yeah, it's just, it's going to, it's not for us, as we've talked about. It's for people who don't like golf.

But I think you guys and everyone who listens to this podcast is still really going to enjoy it. Because you're going to, you're going to see these guys in. in sort of that ROM in the way that ROM was carrying himself where there's no there's no defense being played when you're when you see these guys in media they're trying not to give you anything they're trying to get out of there this is very different i kind of was thinking about this this morning when i just saw someone tweet about it and i wish that there wasn't as much hype for the people that love golf like i like i feel like it's too hyped up like if i was just like scrolling on netflix kind of like how i found drive to survive like i'd just be like this is the best show ever

but because like we're putting all this emphasis on like it was the craziest year of all time they were filming like we've been thinking about this for seven months i just hope that like don't you know what i mean like there's like expectations are definitely high like any show like i mean like game of thrones if we were hearing about like every single aspect of it leading and you're like this fucking better be the best show of all yeah it's a little bit like going into a presidential debate you want to set the bar really low so that your performance comes off like you did an amazing job like looking through documentaries or like a show one day and i was like holy shit look at this i'd be it'd be my favorite show i don't know i've changed my opinion because when

we first talked about it i had said it's not for guys like us and for people who who follow golf religiously. I still think seeing these guys in their homes and their cars on their private jets. I agree, actually. I think that's going to be cool. That is for us. That's for us. That part is for,

yeah. There's a lot of it that is the actual golf tournaments, which, you know, I wasn't that interesting because you know, you know what happens. Yeah. So they spend a lot of time going through.

Yeah, but if they get a good amount of like caddy, mic up conversation, so they do have a lot of, we, we all jerk off to that shit. That's great. There's a ton of Joel and Gino in there.

It's coming. Come on. Being hilarious. Joe is like, Gino, there's a clip where Joel's like, I fucking suck today. And Gino's like, dude, you told me you're going to make a million dollars yesterday. Like, what's going on? And there's a little, there's a little clip of Mito saying something after he hit it in the water to his caddy that I had never seen before.

So there's definitely cool stuff like that. Did I speak on this show about the Joel and Gino conversation about who he would leave Joel for? No, I don't think so. It was during that twin fit that me and Alistair played in that like pro-scratch tournament, even though I'm not a scratch, even though we did finish in the money. and it was where it was uh uh if joel was part of the conversation it was like me joel alister gino and a couple other guys and they just started shooting this shit about uh because we were talking about scovron being with tom kim who was with ricky before and long story short the conversation getting into gino debating who he would actually leave joel david for because joel's what 70th or

80th or the world or something and but he was like but jol's so cool personality wise and we're such good friends that it's not just a numbers game right so it's like who would you we're going We ended up getting to a round. We ended up averaging out because there's a few guys in the top 20. He's like, no, that guy sucks. To be around, I just wouldn't do it. Right. But there's a few guys that are above, you know, 20 that are awesome that are going to make more money than Joel.

He said, like, and Joel's agreeing with him in the conversation. I was going to say, Joel is there talking. He's like, you got to go for that guy. But he ended up settling on like around the number. It was around like 20th, 18th, 19, 20th. Like, it averaged out to. And again, it was like a Victor Hovlin or somebody. It's like, I got to go.

Sorry. Anyway He was doing it But he's like You know We were doing I don't know Who would be like

Billy Horshaw I think he was like I don't think so But it wasn't Yeah it was just him being like I just don't know that I would enjoy my like day to day life And like Joel to put so little

Stress on me Yeah And makes a good amount of money And whatever So it was a really funny conversation So more of that type of shit in the show Will be awesome and more behind the scene stuff So I'm excited

You put what dozens of hours into this Yeah, I sat down for probably like, I would say like 10 hours of interviews probably. Yeah, three different sit down. We saw the producer here at the scramble. Yeah, Chad Mum was here. Chad Mum's here. I was like, oh, is this guy, I pointed at Danny. I'm like, this guy in episode one.

He's like, he's in the whole show. Awesome. Which is cool. That is really cool. It's exciting. That's great. Yeah. What were you wearing in the interviews?

I wasn't wearing any barstle stuff because it was before bar. Most of it was before the bar. Yeah, you should wear like normal, like casual. Yeah, just like a tire kind of. Like hoodie. Yeah, like a hoodie. Yeah, like a hoodie. Yeah.

It's a big decision. Yeah, it was a big decision. Emma definitely helped with that. Yeah, you have to, like, consult somebody. What should I be wearing for this? Totally. Wear a hat or no hat? No hat.

Wow. No, glasses? No, you're going to see me unvornished. An unvornished look. That's probably got to wear the same thing every day. Because if this thing blows up, you're getting like tens of millions of people are watching. It's in our apartment. Two of the interviews we shot were in our apartment.

They came to you? They came to us. Like just the whole big cameras? Big cameras. The thing is the production company is. Do you have like a walk-up? uh no i'm like trant when he had to carry that dog up like five flights

the uh the production company's base in new york so it wasn't that hard for them to come to me but yeah they come with a big light and a big you know cameras i was i was texting um brenden and i was like oh these cameras are unbelievable and he was like it's base it's really mostly the lighting yeah any awkward small talk in the apartment while they're setting up the cameras definitely yeah yeah so yeah so yeah i'm stunning you got a lot of stuff yeah i mean you think he would go to a studio like 30 rock or something yeah it was just it was free you guys live around here yeah great we got a nice looking apartment weather's been pretty decent actually you know

for having to see any snow yet right you gotta make it to see like what's great there's a lot of talk about backgrounds of like when a guy does a media hit yeah what's in the background of your shot it's uh well there's two different there's two different angles one of them is that shelf that i think people will recognize if they watch the youtube i record in front of that shelf yeah the other one's just like kind of a white uh wall cactus Cactuses look like penises. Cactuses look like penises. Yeah.

Or middle fingers is another one. Yeah, I was, I was wandering around when I was with my parents, and I found a cactus that looked like a middle finger. Is it cacti? Cacti. Look at that cacti right there. It's like a little fat chode. What's another one like, oxen? Is the plural of ox, ox, oxen?

Geese. That's what came to head. Geese. That's a Brian Regan bit, yeah. Is that right? Yeah, Brian Regan, one of the best. it's about what? It's about plurals, like a kid trying to learn the language.

Geese and Goose and Oxon. Yeah, it's a very funny bit. I can't do Brian Regan's bit. Okay. All right. So, anyways, that's coming out next Wednesday. We'll get hyped up at the trailer. Second trailer, I think they released just got, it gave me the chills.

I watched it once, but it was. Yeah, so I was asking, Chad said that was the one we saw a couple weeks ago was the teaser. This is the trailer. Gotcha. You really getting in the weeds here. I mean, as a show that we're very, especially Frankie, very, we put a lot of emphasis on trailers and teasers. Yeah.

So we can dig that. I just hope, again, the shows is good. It's hard to be that good entourage. That's a great quote. We have a video coming out in a couple weeks that I'm very excited to get my hands on the trailer. Now, which one's this? You can't. We can't tease it.

From Taylor Made Media Day? No. Oh, I know which one it is. Yeah. There's just big iconic shots that I can't wait to put to certain music. Yeah. You've been thinking about that nonstop for two weeks? Yeah.

week and a half yeah yeah i mean we have things that are that are coming out i mean we got a lot of cool videos coming out yeah i sometimes i forget about tailor-made media day just because we shoot it all in one week usually in october november and that's i mean we got taylor made we might have 15 videos that still have to come out that we've filmed yeah yeah we're good we're good till we're good till we're two releases i might get some sleep probably not but we're good till may with two releases a week of featured content not just us fucking dicking around like big time stuff. Big, biggest golfers on the planet. All right. Let's get through a couple more nuts and bolts here. A little talking points,

if you will. This St. Andrews, Wilkin Bridge. Oh, I just, has anyone ever made a worse decision than that ever when it comes to architecture and history? It's pretty shocking. You know, I was in a little bit of a weird place when I, by the time it came across my desk, you know, everyone had shit on it so much that I wanted. Faldo has been going off on it. It made me want to like it. Like, you know, I really wanted to be like these fucking pretentious douchebags everywhere. That's all they're doing shitting on it. I was, I wanted to be like, it's practical. I understand.

But it's pretty, it's just, it was a miss. It's a zero. There's just other ways to do it. I get what they were saying. Like, oh, look how bad it gets with that. There's better just way, way more taste for ways to do it. I'd also say that the roughness in Scotland is part of it. Totally.

You know what I mean? Like, we're not talking about Augusta National. We're talking about, we're talking about, we're talking about, same. Andrews. It's also at a spot where no one's like hitting their ball there. Right. So it's not like you're going to get a terrible lie. It's foot, yeah, I know, it's foot traffic, but like, okay, so if the ground is a little bit shoddy right there, like, who cares?

Also, just put, like, turf down. They tried that. So they released a statement where they were like, we tried putting turf, it didn't work. This is the only solution. I find that hard to believe. That's a lot. That's not the only solution. Like, the burn or whatever they call? That's what's the actual problem? I don't know. If it gets worn down and then it

becomes dirt, and then if it rains, I guess maybe it's a mud problem? I, maybe Maybe it's, maybe if it's, maybe if there's some problem with the structure, I don't know what it is. Whatever it is, it looks horrible. Yeah. There's, they have to take it out. Oh, yeah. They have to take the, they have to.

If they don't, next time we're over there, I just want to take a picture on that and leave the Swoken Bridge out of it. Just be like, this is where we take the pictures now. Yeah, me too. I think you'll get rid of it. I mean, I don't know if they are, you know, they're able to be pushed by the internet. They might not give a fuck. I think they do, but. I would love to have somebody take it from a really high up angle where it cuts off the Swoken Bridge.

Exactly. Like halfway through it or something. It's huge. It is big, too. It's bigger than it needed to be for sure. Yeah, it was amazing. And it was more highlighted than the rest of it. It was like the Swoken Bridge was second. That's the biggest problem, I think. It needs to blend in at least a little. And it was, they just, that was. The guy laying that down had to be like, this is. And it's not even symmetrical. Like, did you notice how it's like, it's like off? It's like on an angle. It's very strange. It looked to me like, you know, when you see videos of slow moving lava, it just sort of looks like it's taking over everything. it's melting. It looks like the bridge is melting. Right. Yep. And it was like they melted it into like wherever that just was covering a little bit of

the shit ground. They were like, yeah, put one there. Put one there. And we'll blend it together and it just looked hard. It's like when I try and do stuff at my house and like I realized like, oh, I started on the wrong side of the wall and they just like do more than they intended. Like that, like I feel like they messed up and they kept going. Talk about creating a controversy where

there just didn't need to be one. I didn't think we'd be talking about the Swilkin Bridge because of some changes they made to it. There's a helicopter flying over. There's a lot of shit going on. You know, Scottsdale and Glendale and this Arizona Phoenix area is just It's the highlight of the sports world for the next week So you're going to get helicopters flying around and shit

When you have to, when the St. Ingers account has to release consecutive tweets, one with a Long statement, long statement And the next one with a photo showcasing What they were trying to approve When you got to string together tweets To miss. And about a bridge That you walk over, you're just missed.

It's like you got to just take it out. Just be like, yeah, we fucked that up and try to get it. year 2020, we could figure out different ways as opposed to old cobblestone, like, melting off the bridge to, to, I think Sir Nick Fowd was like, what would you rather have if you're walking over his dark ground, like a little bit of dirt on your shoe or like this new like concrete residue from I really think it's, it's part of Scotland, that type of shit. They let dogs run around, dogs are taking shits on the fairway. It's fine. It's rough. God, I wanted to defend it so badly. It's all I know. It's hard. It's really hard. I just looked at it from so many different ways. It was like, that sucks. Unless they lead into it, they put a great. It's fine. It's fine. It's rough. Unless they lead into it. They put a great. out there. I saw I did see golf tours start and go the other way with it. Somebody photoshopped in like a hot tub in the middle of it. Yeah, that's fun. That got a good chuckle out of me.

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Isn't that insanity? From 3.31 p.m. until 807 p.m. That's not a nap. That's a circadian rhythm cycle, yeah. I was blown away at that because I actually got that notification from my whoop band on my arm before I, I was alert enough to look up what time it was in the flight and how much time was left, which is an amazing feeling because you're thinking when you wake up, we fell asleep on this flight, you're thinking like, okay, we have three hours left to, you know, what, and it was like,

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Oh, yeah, a little bit. You know, you kind of... That long on a flight is... Yeah, and it's never a good... You know, I was, like, punched over, like, grace and doing the thing. What I started doing was I bring a... I bring an extra...

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many others wearing whoop you should too that's whoop dot com use the code for uh AT&T erin ron rogers is kind of a focal point this has happened to our guy lurid fits before too when you win i'll start by saying this as a as a tournament the barstool class As hosts of that, you know, when you do something that's handicapped at all, ours is 50% across the board. Whoever wins it gets chirp for sandbagging pretty much no matter what. Right. No matter what, which is infuriating. It's like just play better folks.

And like if the Barstall Classic, we've had four champions now, three of the four teams have had, I think every person of the team has been a one handicap or lower. So it's like clearly that hasn't really matter. We had the one year with the John and John where one was like an 11 and one was like a seven and that was the COVID. year when they both just got to play golf way more than ever had. You could see their handicaps go down throughout the year. They're great dudes in one, so I don't believe there's handicapped or sandbagging going on. Aaron Rogers goes out wins. I believe his pro didn't even play well, right?

Miss the cut. Okay, his pro misses the cut. Aaron Rogers wins. He's playing as a 10. By three. He's playing as a 10 and everyone's going through the Wisconsin, you know, Jen app, basically, and being like he's a three or four handicapped. He's a 3.0.

I check this morning. 3.0? I mean, we're going to need an explanation. That's just not, that's the definition of sandbag. It's a big difference. And it probably wasn't his decision, right? I don't know. Keith Mitchell was playing with Josh Allen, and I think they finished second.

And yesterday there was an interview with Keith Mitchell where he goes, yeah, so we won that pro-em. Because Aaron Rogers, that handicapped, like, that's not a real handicap. If we finish second to Aaron Rogers, then we want it. So, yeah, he needs to, he has some explaining to do for sure. It's absurd. They just allow that to occur. That's just, you're just putting numbers on his, on his hand. You're just being like, okay, he shot this, but where he's, we're just being like,

okay he shot this but we're just going to make him 20 shots lower i mean maybe he has another handicap in some other state i'm not sure that's illegally you get banned from the barso classic for doing that happened twice you can't do a little handicap i might have one chalphifornia that he forgot about it and hasn't checked on so that happened twice in the barstow classic and uh you know interestingly enough both cases the guy chose to use his higher handicap not not the lower handicap funny but isn't that interesting yeah yeah so those guys both got booted instantly from the class well we get shit on for posting lower handicaps it's a reverse sandbag and Right. Like we're trying to lose matches on purpose.

It's insane. I got to give Brock Nelson two strokes. He's, I think I'm three and nine against him. And people think I want that to happen. That's fucking insane. It just goes to show you too. I always laugh by that because all of our handicrafts, we just, again, we don't claim anything. We just post numbers into an algorithm and it gives us our handicap. And if you go look at the history of all of our matches, we're probably all about 500.

Right. So the handicap system has worked out perfectly. It's like, what are you talking about? But yeah, that was a big controversy. And then as we're recording, this thing's finishing up still, right? Yeah, they had just a terrible, terrible weather week. It was like raining and hailing and really, really cold. I feel bad for this tournament because it really is like an iconic place.

Pebble Beach, it's like one of the cathedals of our sport. But because of the schedule, because it's before waste management, because it's before Riviera and really more because of the Saudi international, it's just been ravaged. And the field was really, really weak. and this weather going into Monday is not going to do positives for its reputation among the players. You know what I mean? They already got to play three courses. It's cold.

They don't like playing with these amateurs. I mean, some of them do, but it's also, it's very slow. And then adding the rain aspect, I just, I feel bad for this event. Where are you supposed to travel to Pebble Beach?

When's, like, the best time? I mean, I feel like, when we go to that Dad Bud Classic, is that, like, the best time to go. I think you never really know what you're going to get. I went in August with my dad, and it was super foggy and, like, you couldn't even see outside of the bubble.

You go back and check the tape there. There was a point where you guys chirped me for saying that the weather in California is like pretty dicey. Well, that was the first time. I'd never been to California. I guess every time I had been, it was legit, felt like you were on a movie set. Well, Southern California is like San Diego's like that all time. I think it's perfect. Right.

But that moderate area, you're right. It's kind of like mid-50s and cloudy, like all the time. I saw, like, Keira Dixon, she was out there and I had played with her at the LPGA event. So I was just keeping up with like what she was doing at this proam. And she posted a picture from seven. And it was the most beautiful day of all. Alex Bush, you just made a crazy noise. Don't ever do that again, you fucking nerd.

By the way, Alex Bush, like, he was on a, first of all, Alex Bush, he streams, like, him playing cod. And, like, we just don't talk about that. Like, we have to, like, put that on our, like, Instagram. Like, he, like, he, like, streams, like, and I was like, oh, like, what do you, he goes, I warm up with, like, I warm up killing bots. He warms up. And then he, like, goes out, he warms up killing bots. And then he just, like, gets.

fingers warm yeah and he like gets into mo and that's go time he listens to like taylor swift and fucking rips and we're like this needs to be something that like we all talk about that on our put that on our youtube just stream it on youtube this is the this is what you want to see this is our crazy nerd that you don't really understand what goes on in his brain this is what he does when he's not editing videos yeah and it's just you'd be cool or if you had like heavy metal on while you're playing the game probably no i like him just the way he is i think i think taylor switz is a very funny thing to play video do you play like the new album all different music.

Gotcha. Okay. Okay. Now you're really cool. I didn't realize that. I like rap. Rap is cool. No, it is cool.

My point being that I saw this picture and I'm like, that's like the painting that I got from that guy that painted that foot. Like that is the, that's a fake. That's, that's, that's what people be supposed to look like. I'm pretty sure you get that like twice a month from what I'm seeing. I don't know that you really get that perfect weather. I think October. Ooh. And like maybe early November.

And I think. around the time we go. I think March and April are, I believe, supposed to be their nicest times. When is that fog not present? I don't think we've had fog. We haven't had the dad fog. When I took my dad there,

I'm like, you wouldn't believe what it usually looks like. I promise genuinely. I mean this sincerely. I'm like, behind seven is just, the world's back there. He's like, I don't know. It just looks like a clap. I really think no matter what time you hear

you and your dad go, fall. I'm going to try and take them again. and I hope that whenever I do that, and hopefully maybe we'll go October. We'll figure out. Hopefully he can see what it actually is. Dude, the amazing part, look at this, Pebble Beach for the next 10 months.

Beautiful. So she can get fucked up. I just never really know what you're going to get. Look at that. I watched 60 in sunny. I went to meet the 7 iron into 7. That video was cool. He was like talking about.

He's like, I've always wanted to play this hole in this wind. Did you get see what happened with 8? So obviously he like almost fell off the cliff. Remember that? Yeah. So he hit that shot a couple of years. Was that a couple years ago? That was last year.

He hit that ridiculous shot on 8 where he was like his foot was basically hanging off the cliff on 8. And I guess they've addressed that issue by growing in the rough. But his point is like you've actually made it worse. Why? Why do you make it worse? Because now more balls are going to get stopped closer to the edge as opposed to it being just a runoff where the ball would just go into the water.

Yeah. Like now like there's more of a chance of it staying there. Yeah. Like finding itself in weird positions where it like it's slowed down and the thick stuff. but now it's legitimately on the edge, as opposed to when that wasn't there, you would just lose your ball and you drop. He was club length back.

He was saying that like, now that he has a baby, he's like, I would not have that shot before. No. I forgot how nuts that. What an insane comment to make? That means that, like, he was willing to risk his life prior. I don't know.

I think he said he was, he regrets. Dude, we were, we're honest, the shot is awesome. It's amazing. The shot of him hitting it is awesome. It would have been the most infamous moment,

like maybe in the history of sports. He's a little over the green, didn't he? Yeah. And on the back edge, it flew up. He falls over and he splatters on the, on the, no, I'm saying the shot, the camera shot. And he splatters on the, at Pebble Beach. Are you, are you kidding? It's a craziest thing that ever have.

I'd be the crazy thing. The tournament. I think they moved the tournament. I think they ever have a tournament there. I think they'd be canceled. What? It would be canceled forever. Yeah.

Just the course. Right. Like that would be the craziest clip in the history of sports. And it wasn't that crazy that could have happened. Like, could have slipped. Right. Gone. He tumbled.

on splack good night god is that would be the craziest I do not too well with heights like the other day um we had a balcony we went down for all-star game shout to brock nelson he won the accuracy he's the most accurate shooter in the nchl fucking outrageous guys just it was insane um and we had a balcony overlooking the water and we were like 13 floors up and looking down getting woozy and just like the idea of like when i'm walking out onto the balcony like the idea of like maybe tripping and

falling over. It was constantly in my mind. It was bad. And I'm like, why do I keep thinking that? I think that's just fear of heights that are like entering my body that it's never really happened to me before. I had that same thing when I'm on a balcony.

I always like, like, think about myself falling over. I'm like, oh, if I just like cough somehow, like any, it's like nipple height. I'm like somehow I'm just going to like fall over. Which is insane to think about.

Like if I just trip, I'm done. I think you're just scared of heights. Yeah. And that's never really hit my brain until this week. If you're at like that certain, it's like an earthquake hits right now. Right. I'm gone.

Whereas if I'm just in the middle of a room or something, I'm mostly probably fine. Right. Unless the chandelier falls on me, which would suck. But like, I know what you're saying. It doesn't take that much. A shoe lace gone. I also don't know how balconies work. Like, how do they hold the weight?

They just come out of the building. There's no, there's no post beneath it. Is it the Romans with like the archiness of what's built in there? I was looking at the archie's home. And I'm just like, that's just a slab of concrete coming out. And we're just sitting on it. How about like janga building in New York? You think that's something we need to hold it up.

Right. You know that janga building in New York? Yes. What the fuck's that about? Yeah, I don't know. That one's crazy. You know what I'm saying, though? Patios.

No, I know. I just got to hope that it's up to code. And that they, I mean, you think you would hear about balconies falling all the time if it were that risky. All the time. I watch he's going down all the time. I follow a couple of these historical, like, New York accounts where it's like, like, New York in history on Twitter and Instagram. And you see those guys building, like the Chrysler building. And they're fucking walking on the, like,

iron and they just eating sandwiches and you you you read that like none of them died like there was zero deaths building like the chrys are building or something like some of them are hitting golf there's zero deaths like no one falling unless they just like hit it that's less than the guitar world god it's right way less are you saying that oh it's like how the fuck is that thing still standing you know what i mean like they built that steel baby american steel they built that thing with legit a big nail and a and a hammer and there's like like bang bang and like with all the technology we have now and all these cranes and they just got it right that's what's amazing what if they just were a little wrong or like how do we know that it's like right

yeah i don't know the i mean the materials are probably great they probably built stuff cheaper now because they they know how to do it truly unbelievable when you think about it all of new york all these iconic landmarks were just built by hand by these psychotic like italians and all these People that came into fucking, every time I see a city or something, it's like, that took, think about how long it took people to build one of those buildings and how much effort it took and they were everywhere. I think they were oddly quick for the timing too, right? Totally for the timing. But I'm saying if you add up all that stuff, if you just started from now, think about what it would take to build all that and that's all there. When you look at New York City, there's a huge dip in the middle.

It's not, it's not Central Park, but it's like from Empire State Building to the Freedom Tower. Yeah. There's like a dip. And I think it's because, like, the ground wasn't firm enough for them to build sky. I ride like skyscrapers there. Like how does they know that? It's a huge dip because they would have kept going. Yeah.

They would have kept going with just crazy big buildings. It would have been like like like, like look like Gotham. You know what I mean? West Village and all that area. It's just no big. There's no tall buildings. Like five or whatever 10 stories. And I mean, it makes a city what it is because like now you have like quaint little

villages and all this stuff. But when you look at it from like Long Island City or Jersey City, you're like, man, it's like, it's a huge gap. Just kind of stops. Yeah. And I think it's because of the ground. They would have you kept cranking those puppies. Yeah.

I don't know we got the architecture. People are smart. Yeah. People are smart. Smart. It's going to be an architecture podcast. I took an architecture class in school. I find it really interesting.

It was actually fucking, probably my favorite class I took. We took it because I heard it was easy. The professor was cool. And it was, they went through like the different kind of architecture, obviously through the Romans and all that. Like Corinth. And a big part was like the columns. And there's like three different styles of the columns. You can identify.

Corinthians and different. And then you could find and they can trace back. which civilizations clearly conquered which at which times, even if they don't have some historical record of it, because you would see architecture that clearly only could originate in like Spain, and they would dominate those cultures, knock down their columns and take them to Rome. Holy shit.

And build buildings out of them in Rome as like a sign of, you know, whatever. Conquest. Yeah. And they would be those are fucking calling out. Really, really, really cool class. That is cool. You guys ever build the bridges out of Popsicle sticks in like middle school? I don't think so.

It's like, so you'd build a bridge out of popsicle sticks and then they would hang like weight off of it and like whoever's could sustain the most weight would win the challenge. And it was like who really could like figure out weight distribution and all that stuff. It was interesting. We always had playing hockey growing up.

There was always a kid or a dad or two on each team that would be obsessed of making furniture out of hockey sticks. Ooh. So you get like a nightstand or like a rocking chair somebody would make because obviously there wooden sticks. I like novelty furniture like that.

Really cool. They'll make like coffee tables out of like Tops like caps. I like that It's a little tacky but it's like I like that in a man cave That's like the coolest thing ever I've seen the videos of like when they make the tables They put the stuff the golf stuff down and they pour like the clear wax Yeah, and then it melts yep that's pretty badass I gotta watch that

That seems like so much so satisfying man I watch so many of those things on like Facebook reels or whatever it's like I don't even have like I don't look at my Facebook Like I don't look at my Facebook videos it's like it's I don't even know if it's called a reel, but it's like those, it's basically the reels of Instagram, and it's always a satisfying video. Facebook's good for that because you, there's not, you're not, you're not, you're not, like, Twitter where people are chirping, you or whatever. You're just, it's just pure entertainment for us. I'm just, yeah, I look at like my uncle saying something that's going to get him canceled.

And it's like, I look at a video of like, uh, like a dog being rescued. Or like, like, like, rough steel being smoothed out. Like, it's just a guy just, fuck it. Hydraulic press. You ever get on that? Oh, that's so good. Yeah. Or, or like, or like, um, run a like, like, um, not renovating, but

like cleaning up like an old rusty car. Yep. Restoring. Restoring. That was the word. Restoring an old rusty car is fucking mint. Dude, it starts out. There's holes in it and they just fucking sand it down and put the new, everything on it.

It's so good. I've been looking at old Chevy Blazers. I want to get one. Oh. And it's, they are fire. They're so cool. When you go through, there's like classic cars.com or something, some website like that's got hundreds of them and you can scroll through.

and they're fucking awesome. They're like, you know, they got like a 1976 Chevy Blazer that's like refurbished but not too crazy and they can take the top off and then they show the trunk and the trunk is just nothing. Like the back, you know, that Trump.

You see the back of SUVs now, right? And they've got like all the gadgets. You hit this button and the seat goes down. There's just like metal. Yeah. It's in the back where you throw your golf clubs. I'm like, that looks fucking great. I'm really thinking about trying to pull the trigger on one.

I saw a funny video this day of it. It was like, you know that the video of that guy that teaches you how to get out of like bad situations and he's like he's become a meme yes it's like self-defense and he's like you take the gun you move it or whatever there was a girl that was like showing a a one-on-one video on how to evade someone in your car putting like a rope around your neck and trying to choke you out so she's like all right step one you put your fingers here and you push out and then you take the seat and you shoot the seat back onto the guy and then now because you've done that so fast you can take the rope and run out of the car and this guy gets into his

It's like a big bad guy gets into his car And someone's choking him out With like a belt He's like ah He's like all right Two fingers And then he starts to hit the fucking

He goes to put the seat back But it's one of the electric ones So it's like It's just goes And he's sitting there like I just gotta get the step too And then all of a sudden The video ends with

It's just as rest in peace It's just in the arms of the angel It's so good dude It's moving so slow He's like Oh That's fucking funny. People are funny, man.

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Three out of four weeks. This one was our biggest. Plus eight, 25. We've hit three out of four. What's the number, dad, on 20 bucks? Do you? You know what it is? I forgot. You said it was around $900 in profit, didn't you? That's insanity. No, I think it's $3.90. If you put $20 each time, you'd be up $3.90.

Just $20 if you just laid $20 for the last three or all four or less. So this whole month, four weeks in a row. You put $100 on it. I've been putting $100 on it, and it's hit three out of the last four. That was a quick $825 profit for me this week. Last week, last week was plus $800. The week before we lost, the week before that, we plus $4.25. Yeah, what are we?

Frank and I went to lunch at the barstool bar and we had like five guys come up to us being like we made we did the four the cup bet and we're just making money today yeah weko pod the guy came up to us and was like dude this is insane and he's like you guys gave me some like bullets for the Super Bowl now he's like I just have money now I don't know if you guys were following this weekend but they they rallied too Cal and Tarrant shot eight under in the third round yeah dude the boys came to play when we really I looked after round one we were like one over two over four over five over yeah we're not even going to be and we've been picking these things based off what these guys are wearing the night before. I did see people being like, yo, I love the floorplay guys get so much shit for not knowing golf. I'm like, Frankie picked Adam Scott because he got a new social media.

I think Kevin Struelly because Larry Fitz said he's great. Yeah, that's like, you know, I pick Zach Blair and Sony because he seems like he likes old school courses. Yeah. Like, I mean,

I guess that's a little golfy, but he just posts pictures of old school courses. I was like, oh, he's going to play great here. It's something. It's something. It's something. I don't know if the odds are up yet because the ATT's still going on.

So it's, I don't know if it's allowing. I'm seeing early ones. I'm seeing early ones where Rory McElroyza is the favorite to win. So we're going to pick it now. I'm going to pick someone that's, uh, we're doing it right now. Yep. I'm going to, yeah, we got to do it on the show because the show goes out tomorrow and

the attorney starts on Thursday. So unfortunately, you've got to get it done. But this is the way we've done it every time. We kind of panic. We're panicking. A ton of science behind it. I'm going to pick a really not out on a limb choice at all. Maybe the lease.

he's probably that, well, I did see, what is it, top, top 23 of the 24 eligible rank golfers in the world are playing in this thing in the Phoenix Open now. It's as close to a major on that standpoint. The money, the crowd, the field strength, it's, this tournament is going to be off. The fact that the Super Bowl is in town, everything about it this week is making this one of the bigger non-major tournaments in my life on the BGA tour. Feels that way. I was talking to Joel Damey yesterday and I was asking, I was like, to us, to us, to, people who aren't involved in the tournament, it almost feels like this tournament has surpassed, apart from the players, in the non-major category, like, certainly no other tournament feels as big.

And he was saying the players feel that way too. Like if you win this tournament, you beat, especially this year, you beat all those players and you did it on a stage that's unlike anything else in golf. The only thing that kills it is that Saturday is bigger than Sunday. Well, especially with the Super Bowl. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I wish they did, why didn't they do the Wednesday to Saturday like Tori?

That's just the only thing that, not. kills it but that that like it crescendos on saturday yeah so it almost feels like the events more about the party because of that then right like not enough people remember the playoff with scotty and the whole deal and then the brooks cap like because you're almost like well that's you're gearing up it's it bleeds into the super bowl last year had several times when it was had decky and uh ricky that went like six holes and they were deep they were into like the second quarter of the fucking they should do wednesday uh Saturday why they probably sell so many tickets so many tickets i know but anyways it still does

feel like it's getting to that point of like, oh, he won two majors of players and a Phoenix open. Like that's kind of getting up there. And I hope that. It's got the history too. It's got the Tiger Woods ace, which I mean, that just kind of vaults it up there right away. It's got the fans.

Anyways, the pick I'm going to make, I hope it doesn't steam anybody else, but it's unbelievably obvious. It's Max home. Yeah. It's a great call. He's going to make the, he's just going to make the guy. I actually just saw a tiger tweeted, um, said two guys join the TGL. It's Max and, uh, Billy.

Billy. Yeah. of our guys. At least hot in the streets, got the PIP money. Yeah. We love Billy. And I don't want to say that I'm,

uh, uh, super and Billy with the, with the, with the Gino comment from earlier. Yeah. Like how Gino was like, I'm not sure I would necessarily go for Billy.

For us, Billy's come full circle. I fucking love that. He's got Fooch on the bag. He's pretty, pretty epicad of him. Speaking of Billy, I'm just gonna fucking pick him.

There you go. I'm gonna pick him to fucking make the cut. Okay. Billy Horschel. And the only reason I did that is just because we're talking about him. Good. I'm going with Tommy Fleetwood Wow

He's making his first start in the U.S. this year. Wow. Did okay in the desert But he's just such a consistent ball striker That the guy does not miss many cuts Okay So I'm going to go with Mattie Fitz

Okay We got a good crew He did miss the cut last week He did miss the cut last week That'll help the odds a little bit He didn't missing two cuts in a row Come on no way So we got Max Homa

Billy Horshull Tommy Fleetwood And Matthew Fitzpatrick Those are four golfers That should make the cut This will probably be like plus in the three these are all good players. Yeah, they're good players, but

it's still like, I mean, everyone's a good player this week. We missed the cut last week. This is Fleetwood's first tournament on U.S. soil. I mean, things, I mean, I think we stay hot. I think we're going to stay hot. You're feeling it? I am. I like how we kind of went a little safer this time because we want to keep it rolling. How does this work has been upset with us? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't have no idea how that works. We don't. Yeah, I mean, we're putting out bets there's winning. Here's what we do. We sit down on this dumb ass show once a week And we just do this. We kind of workshop four picks. And then everyone steals money for Penn National Gaming. So I don't, are they like, what is, like, it's getting outrageous. Four play guys don't get it.

Are we, are we doing it wrong? I like making money for the people. Okay. Feels good. Me too. It feels really good. People get jacked up about it. So if you, you know, if you're in a state where you can gamble, sports bet, do the four.

21 or over. 21 and over. Responsible. Arizona is a sports betting state. It is. It is. That's how we had the Marshall Sportsbook out here for a couple of years. It's fantastic.

So download that puppy. Get on it. We're going to boost it too. So whatever that is, whatever that number comes out to for those four fellas, we're going to boost it like we have the last one. If you haven't been getting on it, you've been missing out. You missed a plus 825, a plus 800, a plus 425, win, win, win. We're going to hit them again.

Phoenix Open. We're out there all week, the merchandise. Go check the tents. Fire. If you're going to the tourney, we got waste management, Phoenix Open, logos with the barstool golf logos on them as well. Come up a bunch of different designs. John Rahm approved.

John Rom very much approved. He liked it. I think we, I don't know if we talk about on my, or not, but Riggs was wearing one of those. I was wearing this guy right here. Yep, and he was like, and we were telling him about it. He's like, that's cool. And I'm saying that's John Rom approved.

I'm excited to get out to the tourney too and see our guys. Like, we're going to see Rom. We're going to see Rory out there. We're going to see, obviously, Homa and Joel and kids. Everyone. Everybody's playing. It's like all our whole, it's like we're going to a fucking major. It really is.

It's a mile from my apartment, too. That's cool. It's going to be a zoo. I know. Last year, I walked home one night. Probably hard to get a two-five-minute walk. How far? It's probably a mile, mile and a half,

but you got to go, the only issue is it'd be way quicker. You got to go around. You can't just walk from like the 16th hole straight to my apartment. If you could be there in like 10 minutes, that'd be great. I can't believe the merchandise is in the tent.

I can't either. That's cool. It's crazy. And everybody we've showed loves it. It's a right, man. It's a bigger setup than I thought I was going to be. It's like in the middle, so it's not like on a wall from the picture that I saw.

I haven't seen the setup yet. Someone tweeted at us and I didn't react to it because I didn't know if it was like the official thing yet. But from what I saw, I was like in the, like right by where you're walking in all the hallways of the tent, not like on the walls and tucked into a corner. It looked legit. We're going to be in there. Come see us.

We're going to be in there. If you're coming to the waste management, come by the tent, all of our people are going to be there. Our merchandise team's going to be there. We're going to be checking out all the stuff. Allison and Pilar's out here. Allison's not, but Allison is considering it because she's actually a huge Philadelphia Eagles fan. Allison actually texted me last night. And I saw it on our Instagram.

She asked me if, uh, I got this too. You got this too? If Dustin Johnson is considered a celebrity. I was furious on the plane when I saw that. Because her friends were arguing that he's not a celebrity. I said he absolutely is. Well, he has a drama.

He's got Paulina. He's famous. He's famous. He's a celebrity. He's got Paulina is huge. People understand how huge that is in my opinion. Because he's won the Masters, which I think is like vaulted pretty quickly. The Masters for even non-golf fans, like they know Masters.

He won the Masters, won the USA, but he was number one in the world. And he had that stretch where he was the, the only guy to win on tour once every year for like, and he also has that history of being a little bit of a party boy, which is a drug issue, he's got the pictures on the boat, and he's got Paulina. Paulina's a mega stuff.

Like, she's just got that, you know. All right. To counter, and I'm sort of with you guys, when we talk to John Rom, he was like, I'm a nobody off the golf course. When I'm off the golf course, I can walk everywhere, except his hometown in Spain, and nobody notices him. That was surprising to me. I feel like DJ probably falls in a similar

I probably think he's the singer from Lady Antibald. He's got his father-in-law's Wayne Gretzky. His wife is Paulina Gretzzi. Celebrity is an interesting word. Famous for sure. I don't know what's, I don't know how you Here's how I would consider him a celebrity. He could show up to a red carpet for like the Grammys and or like the Oscars and people would be like, oh yeah, that's Dustin Johnson and Paulina Gretzky. You don't think so?

Polina House. They're a famous couple. They're like on like Us Weekly when they're on boats and know. Are they? Yeah. I think they? Yeah. Yeah. I think people would know who that is. I didn't make that up. I don't think people would necessarily be like, when he heard his back and there was like all those like things, that was like on E. Like that was like a big story. Yeah. I don't remember that either. Paulina's in the Netflix stock and get him out.

Of course she's a star. She is a big part of what you guys are saying. I agree with that. She's huge. By the way, Justin Rose looking like he's going to win. He's got a three shot lead here with a few holes left. I have to give a shot to Kirk Minahan because I was listening on my flight this weekend to his latest show and he has callers, a lot, calling for last hour of the show or something and he's a big golf guy yeah he's obsessed with the master's tournament especially uh but he keeps his fingers on the pulse of the golf world and occasionally golf or golf guys will call him who do you like this week and he was he good the names he threw out were denny mccarthy and justin rose you're kidding me no someone

pretended to be me by the way in one of those calls did that oh yeah yeah i listened that was funny they do that all time that pretty much 90% of the calls now or parody calls this big dick 10 rap before he's he goes you think you know golf i'm gonna be inside the ropes at the masters I like Big Dick Dan. You might have to take that. Yeah, you might have to do that. He's got a few. They have a, he has a Trump guy that calls in that you would think the Trump stuff would be tiring,

but the Trump guy that calls in is fucking hilarious. So it's like almost parody calls. But they do get, and he gave Justin Rose and Denny McCarthy. Dave McCarthy is currently in third and Justin Rose is winning the tournament. Justin Rose is now working with Mark Blackburn, who is Max Holmes coach. I was talking to Mark. And it's an interesting little story. So Phil Kenyon, who's a putting coach, did, did Mark a favor by seeing.

Max. You'd think that Max Homo would be able to go see this guy, Phil Kenney, whenever he wants, but these coaches are like super busy. They have a full slate. So he's like, trust me, this kid, Max, is going to be really, really good. Max and Phil have been working together for a while now. Max is obviously on top of the world. So Phil, who works with Justin Rose, called Mark back and said, I did you a favor. I need you to do me a favor and see Justin Rose a little bit. He's been seeing Justin Rose. And it's the progress. It's working. Rudy from Barstle was here at the driving range, at the Weecopa scramble that we have going on right now. and I was standing behind him.

He really doesn't golf that much. He golfs on, like, bachelor parties with his buddies, and, like, he can kind of get the ball at the tea. And he had a seven ironed his hand. I was just, like, standing behind him, giving him, like, one or two tips. And when he flushed one, he looked back, he's like, now I know why, like, golf coaches,

like, make so much money and are able to, like, do this because, like, you just gave me one tip and now I'm going to be searching for that, like, feeling. It's, like, it's actually cool for, like, being on that side, being, like, you see how that just worked? Yeah. Now you're hitting it better. It's such a cool, easy thing

Just to tell someone How to do it? It must be really satisfying So satisfied I was panicked that I'm just not qualified Like where I'm gonna tell us? Yeah, there's always that awkward moment You're like, oh, why don't you try taking it inside And they hit a dribbler and you're like, yeah

I'm like well just like use your hips like I saw on this YouTube video I've always been a better explainer of what to do Right like I'm a more better like teacher than I am student I've always felt like that like with drums and everything Like I can tell someone how to do something better than I can like conceptualize in my own brain You know I mean You should be a golf coach No

It worked for Rudy. I was aware. I was watching it. You were like, you were giving him a couple things. We were doing the abbreviated follow through, and he was like finally compressing the ball. He's like,

I've never felt it come off the club face like that. He's only just like bladed balls. And like when you do that, when he do that, and I just took that from another coach. Like you just take all these things. Yeah. That's cool.

I'm reading this email about, from Dave, about the Barstall Scottsdale Bar. Yeah. He wants people to go. Yep. And he wants not only us to go, but other people to go and highlight that.

They're there. You guys were there for the first time. That's good. Isn't it awesome? That's great. They did a fantastic job. They really did. Beautiful place.

The inside's beautiful. I've been to, the only one I think is the Philly one. Yeah, same. So I've been to Chicago one and now I've been huge. This one is huge. It was cool. Yeah, it's food. Really good chicken tenders.

The wings were outrageous. Really good fries. We ordered too many fries, but they were really good. You got a party there, don't we? Thursday night. We got a four plate party there. We got the cheat codes. Oh, yeah.

I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is. I don't know who it is. making fun of me for not knowing who that is. Apparently they're pretty legit. Bush, you know who that is? EDM? Yeah, yeah.

Bush knows. Seems like Brendan knows. People respond to me being like, oh, my God. I can't believe you're going to see them. I was like, yeah, yeah. I, um, here's what happened with the fries. Here's what happened with the fries. We sat down, first time ever at the Barstall bar in Scottsdale.

Really cool place. A bunch of Barstle fans were there. Obviously, it's like the space to be right now. It's called Barstles. Barstle, yeah. And we go upstairs and we had, you know, the waitress was super nice. She just comes over, gives us the menu. We see on the menu.

you that you can order food that comes with fries but then also in the appetizer side it said shoe string shoe string fries now when you kind of highlight that i think that might be a new fry as opposed to the fry that comes with like the wings and the sandwich so we i love those kind of fries we love those kind of fries we love that with crispy give me an aoli give me a ketchup give me all that stuff so i'm so i'm ordering wings it does not come with fries so i'm like can i have a side of shoe string fries. Yes. Trent orders a chicken tender platter that comes with fries.

Okay. Can I also have side of shoe string fries? A lot of fries. So now we've got, and she's like, that's a lot of fries. And we're like, well, we want the shoe string fries. And then. And I'm thinking in my head, she's underestimating how much I love fries. She doesn't know me.

We just met. But I love these fries, especially if they're the thin, crispy ones, which it sounds like they all. Turns out she comes out and they're all the same fry. Yeah. And we have plates and plates. and plates of fries. We had three full plates of fries for two people.

We did not do it. We did not eat all of them. No, I ate a lot of fries and that we didn't do much. We told her. We were like, you knew it was too many fries. We told her she was right because she was. She's like, I knew, but I just brought them out anyway. What do you guys think?

Really good. Okay, I agree. I agree. I agree. They've got to be fresh. I agree with that. You know what's great is, so if you order McDonald's, which I do to my apartment pretty frequently, if they, if you get them and they don't travel well, air fryer?

Air fryer. Yeah, I've heard that. Throw them in the air fryer and they get crispy and hot and it's great. That's air friar for fries. It's worth it. It's a good tip. Yeah. And then when you go to In and Out, you ask for the fries to be well done and they're crispy.

Yeah, those really don't travel well. Those can get really soggy. Well done. Ooh, we should get in and out today. Okay. Not a bad call. I haven't had a burger in a while. We're going to throw it to this interview with Taylor Montgomery, who Dan sat down with,

who's been buzzing, had a great start to the year, right? Great start to the year. Cool backstory. I think he's 51st in the world already. He's like definitely having the best season of all the rookies. People are going to like him. I wonder when the last time Roy McElroy played in the Phoenix Open was. He played, I want to say, two years ago or three years ago.

Remember, they used to have that rule where you had to play a new event. And he did it. And he did it. So that's probably the only time in the last decade that he's placed. Unreal. That's a big name. Hell yeah. Roy fucking Macroix.

Hell yeah. The only thing missing this week is Tiger. Yeah. Tiger being here would be... Started seeing the TW accounts. We're starting to tweet out some whispers that he might play in the Genesis. I've been trying. I'm just not getting anything back.

I like that we got nothing. I like that nobody's got anything on that. Same. He probably doesn't even know. I would bet he doesn't know. I bet he doesn't know. I'm thinking players championship. It's also like...

I think he really wants to play next week because it's the foundation and it's his event and he'll definitely be there whether he plays or not. Do you think he kind of... Well, he's going to be there. It just kind of kicks up everything.

It's going to kick up everything anyway. You know what I mean? Yeah. Kind of a sore spot on the calendar. Yeah. Yeah. But he's going to be there. I don't think he's going to play.

I don't think so. But then again, we said that a week before the Masters last year. We were like, well, wait, he's going to play. He fucking played. True. He shot under bar. I think this plantar fasciitis is a serious problem, unfortunately. The what?

The one that the plantar fasciitis that took him out of the hero. I think it's just like sort of an unavoidable result of his leg. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't know that that's going to improve that much to the point where he can play, you know, without it, and play or not. I don't know.

speaking to him joey lakov it might be my favorite person on the planet we were talking about the beau horvatt trade for the islanders and he just texted me now you got that extension you wanted i'm heading to msg tonight enjoy the week and nice job with that national anthem just an outrage just wow joey saw that already yeah that's nice that's on tour now too oh yeah so who's he caddie for brandon hague yeah yeah his son's legit caddy i mean he was working out of wingwood forever well and obviously we always see him at the Charlie Woods the PNC

yeah wow good for him yeah family business baby that's cool good for him that's great those guys too

that are really good at that are cool and live a great life yeah you think he takes stuff from his dad like to see how he does it definitely yeah

I would say he definitely yeah yeah do you think his dad ever makes him for him as like a training session no if we know Joe we know that he definitely

does not do that like he's just Joey's just Joey's just Joey yeah that big great because I know I know like the boy Thomas, who caddied for us when we defeated Kevin Kessner at Piner's number two. Yeah.

He is, like, they work for a caddy company that, you know, they can solve that a bunch of different, they run the programs at a bunch of different resorts. And he's going out, I think, next month for like three weeks to do training at Pebble Beach for caddies. And that training is, he plays and guys caddy for him. Really? That's what the training is.

Isn't it awesome? That is cool. He kind of walks them through, like, hey, here's what you do here. Here's how you should do that. That's literally, like, how they train. Isn't that unreal? He, he, like, approaches the ball. He's like, so you're standing.

standing there you should not be standing like nice fucking read so I miss that but that's on you yeah so somebody might yell at you like this all right yeah all right well we're gonna throw it to this interview so enjoy the the chit-chat enjoy uh Phoenix

Open week we'll be out there so if you see us say hello go by the Scottsdale bar we have mini golf on Wednesday yeah that's right so tune in for that we're all participating in the mini golf tournament on Wednesday I think that's at what one o'clock mountain time

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That's better help help.com slash four, betterhelp.com slash four. All right, guys, we're joined now by Taylor Montgomery. He's a rookie on the PJ tour. He's off to just an awesome, awesome start. I think you've played 10 events. You haven't missed a cut yet. You've got four top tens and eight top 25s and 10 starts.

So you're flying. Are you surprised a little bit at how quickly the success is translated? Yeah, a little bit. Just because I don't know any of the golf courses, and that obviously makes it a lot harder. But I've been putting in a lot of work in the practice rounds, just trying to get to know the course. And there's been a couple events where I know the golf course,

like Torrey Pines and obviously here in Vegas, know that golf course. But other than that, it's been kind of like, feels like a rookie season. Totally. Yeah, you mentioned Vegas. And I want to get into your backstory because we were talking about this a little bit before we started recording that you've got some stories and some tales. And I think people are really going to enjoy hearing.

So talk to me by your upbringing. I understand you have a pretty extensive history at Shadow Creek of all places. Yeah. So my dad started off as a caddy. He played golf here at UNLV. and that's how he kind of got into Shadow Creek. And he started off as a caddy and then worked his way up. He was the director of golf and then probably eight, nine years ago became the GM.

But he's been out there ever since it opened. And I tell everybody, if it wasn't for that place and my dad, I would have never played golf. I was more into basketball and football and stuff like that. So that's definitely the only reason that you see me playing golf are those two things. Shadow Creek for people who don't know is a wild place. It's the best golf course in Vegas. It's like $1,000 to play. I would imagine that being there for so much of your childhood and working there that you've seen some money change hands.

I would imagine that people play for a lot out there. Oh, yeah. You see some crazy things. The poker guys, in my opinion, were the craziest. Those guys live in Vegas. They're gamblers for a living. I mean, yeah. And one day they're super rich.

And then the next, they're just dirt poor. And you just get to watch the ups and downs of their life. And I mean, like they say, there's no gamble, no future. Is there any one gambler? I feel like I saw something about Phil Ivy. You know, he kind of gave you a spin. What's the story there? So Phil Ivy, this was, I mean, people look at him as one of the best poker players.

Just super cool guy. He was coming out. He was making a lot of money off of full tilt poker when that whole thing was going on. And he played a guy throughout the day and on the ninth hole. He asked if they wanted the press. And he ended up winning the hole. and he won a million dollars. So a million dollars on one golf hole?

Well, I think it was 250,000 on this last hole, but he is down a lot. The overall figure ended up being a million dollars. And so anyways, he goes, and this is how all those poker guys are, they go down there. And I don't know how he got the car. He got like this hot sports car from Mercedes. There's an SLR McLaren. like the very next day. Like, I mean, they finished and it was like dark.

And then he shows up the early the next morning in this car. And he's like, I could, he hops out of the car and it's my dad and I just walking up there. We could hear that car coming in from the front gate. Yeah, you hear those. Like we do it's something special. And he hops out of the car and he's like, money, too, I can't wait to show the guy that he played what his money just bought me. And that's exactly how they are. It's just, it's crazy.

Just a trash talk that goes around. It's like just a bunch of gambling guys that love to gamble. Are they even good players? Because, you know, you would assume that if you're playing for that much money, that it's hard to imagine guys kind of shooting 85 and playing for 250 grand. But maybe that's the case. I don't know. Those guys wish they could shoot 85.

I mean, these guys are shooting in the hundreds. and they're gambling for this amount of money. I mean, there's a couple of them that are pretty good, but most of the time, they are not the best. I can't even imagine. I mean, that's such a reckless move. You have no control of your golf ball. You have no idea how you're going to play.

You're basically flipping a coin. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's what they love. They just love the adrenaline rush of gambling, and that's how they live life. That's why they're broke one day and they're rich the nets. just a never-ending cycle. Yeah, so I want to talk about your putting because I was looking through your stats,

your fourth on tour right now in strokes game putting, which is obviously super impressive, but you've got quite a history with putting. I came across this golfer's journal piece and I want to kind of ask you about. So you grew up in Vegas. You go to UNLV. So you're a Vegas life. I gather that you still live there. And in 2017,

this guy called Guy Laliberte had an idea to host a major league or a major series of putting type of event where there were going to be qualifiers. I think there were like 450 qualifying events. And eventually there was this tournament in Vegas at this 20,000 square foot course that was actually designed by Nicholas design for miniature golf. So these are like the best miniature golfers in the world. You entered that tournament. Tell me about that experience. it was crazy. I knew nothing about it. And my dad called me and he's like, hey, have you heard about this putting thing? Because at the time, I was struggling, like ball striking, just out of college,

didn't have much money, wanted to go play. And I'm like, no, what is it? And I think I was with some friends and stuff. We were probably practicing or doing something. And he's like, It's this putting course, the head guy of, I think he was at Caesars, the Libertte guy that you were talking about. Yeah, just like a Vegas billionaire, I think. Yeah, yeah, he's a well-known name. His name is super hard to pronounce. And so he was the backer.

So my dad kind of knew it was legit. And I tried to go qualify down there. And when I got there, I was like, wow, this is crazy. He's right behind playing at Hollywood and top golf. And there's this giant like arena that they built in this old parking lot. And we got there and all these guys were like putting. And there's music playing, giant leaderboards. And I mean, I didn't know what to expect going up there.

You hear of all these things. And I ended up missing quality by one. They had the qualifier for the big tournament. It was for 75,000, like the winner would win. Which for you at that point, I imagine, is like, that's life changing money. Oh, it felt like a billion dollars. Like, even putting for it. I mean, college kids don't have much money.

And so I missed a qualifier by one. And like the guy running it came up to me. And he's like, hey, you look like a really good putter. We want to sponsor you in the event because. they probably had some, uh, trouble like getting word out. They needed some more participants to play and stuff. And so I put it in the event.

And I ended up being it sits around a stroke play. And the golf course, like the greens are pasture turf, but they change so much, like all the people stepping on them. Like in the morning time, they were probably running around 11, 12, which was super fast. And then by nighttime, they, they didn't brush them all day. with like a broom. And I mean, the footprints just matted everything down.

Like some putts were impossible to leave short. And I think it helped me like playing golf because a lot of the guys weren't actual golfers. Like they had professional put putt putt players from like different countries and stuff like that. It was crazy. But I ended up winning that one. And then I partnered with Kurt in the team event.

they had about six or seven different event. And I mean, I wish they did it every year. I feel like it's something that can really take off. Because not everybody can play golf, but pretty much everybody has a chance to put. And I thought it would be a lot bigger than it has turned out. It's interesting.

You mentioned that anyone can put because I was having this conversation I think with Scott Fawcett a couple months ago about how if you put someone on a dead flat putting mat, like one of those perfect putting mats, you don't have to be a scratch or a plus or a pro to make putts on that. It's just not that hard to make a straight putt. Now, obviously, it gets a lot more complicated with reading the green and matching speed in line, but the physical task of hitting a putt straight is really not all that difficult. Yeah. No, it's, it's not not the hardest what makes it hard is going to each course knowing the speed of the greens being able to read the break the grain uh all the other factors even like wind that most people don't

really believe in but three miles an hour of wind on the green can move your ball offline uh there's so many different little things that you kind of factor in and then and then when you're over the ball you try not to think about it too much and you just hit the putt. Do you, yeah, I was going to ask, do you have like a putting coach? I mean, you've been so good at this for so long. Is it just something sort of that you grew up doing and it's all field? Do you use aim point? What's your putting process?

No, I have a, I, when I was younger, I always had a tough time. My face would get a little to the left, even if I felt like, like, let's say I have a 10-foot straight putt. And I would feel like my putters lined up right in the center of the hole. and my putter was always a little to the left, like left edge outside left of the hole. So I figured if I can just train my eyes to always have my putter, like if I was aiming center,

it needs to be aimed center, not left edge. And so I use those putting plates. And I use the Pell's putting device for forever. But the putting plates I've been using recently. and and then after that once you get your your lines down from like 10 feet then it comes down to all speed and then I do a bunch of like little speed drills from each side of the hole like downhill and uphill and then other than that it's nothing I don't do anything else it's not like I'm thinking about like technique or anything like that yeah but the guys who are the best with putting

I feel like are not usually the guys who have a million thoughts rolling through your head I I remember I was talking to Denny McCarthy for a story I wrote because he was and still is one of the best putters in the world. And he was basically saying like I take pride in it, man. Like it's a, I'm a grindy guy. I'm a grindy player and I freaking grind on those greens. Like I, it's not it's not like I'm out there doing a math problem. It's just I'm, I focus in, I lock in and I really try and tap into my hands and feel the speed.

And the numbers don't lie. Denny's been up there, you know, for the last five years or so. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I think putting is a lot, the work that you put in. I mean, even practicing on the putting green, just being able to see those butts. Like instead of like you were saying, putting on a straight mat and stuff, anybody can kind of do it. But they aren't practicing like how to read a green and they aren't really seeing the speed and things like that. I mean, it's just like anything. The more that you do it, the better you get. I want to go back to the major series of putting thing. You mentioned Kurt. So that's Kurt Kittiyama, who's also now on the PGA tour, another Vegas guy.

Kurt's got an interesting background also. He played a bunch of years in Europe and found his way back here. So you mentioned that someone sponsored you. So I would imagine they paid your entry fee. Did you have to like, was there some sort of a range room where you had to pay them part of the winnings? Yeah. So they gave me, so for that big tournament, the entry fee was $5,000. that's a ton of money

for how many players were in that tournament 5,000 and then I didn't buy myself into the tournament so I was like all right I need to just I took the I told them I would take the 20% of whatever I won so I did that

played the event and won so I won 15,000 and then after that we had probably five events left I just spawned I've taken my way and it was like a thousand to two thousand each event. Kurt and I ended up winning the team won and I think I won like some other little or stroke play event that they had. But it was it was so much fun. Kurt and I have been buddies since the beginning of college. Him and I have always been competitive against each other. Video games, ping pong, basketball. I mean, you name it.

We had a house that we rented. And, I mean, the garage was just tore up. The walls, we had to replace the walls when we were done with the house. Him and I had some crazy battles. It's cool now that you're both, you know, seeing each other on ranges and you guys kind of like give that head nod. You guys know what you've been through together. Oh, yeah. Yeah, him and I, we're going to team up for the Zurich this year.

Hell yeah. There'll be a lot of fun. I love that. Yeah, you guys have fun being on his team for once. Yeah. guys have probably played a ton of matches against each other. Yeah, Vegas, you guys have a little bit of a squad out there. I know, like, David Lipski lives out there and Collins out there now.

You know, I know people know a lot about Jupiter and about Scottsdale, but, you know, sort of Dallas and Vegas are building some pretty solid squads. I would imagine that you can get some pretty competitive games when you're back at home. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys. I mean, a lot of us that during the season, we come home and mainly just pray. I mean, we're playing so much on the road. But definitely when offseason and stuff, we're still playing a bunch together, having some fun games.

I played quite a bit with Kurt and David a little bit out at Shadow. And it's fun. You ever have one of these poker guys who are like, they just want to play against a PJ tour player for a bunch of money? I'm sure that's got to happen, right? And you just clean their clocks? Kurt and I have had Ben Lamb buyout a few times. Meaning you're just working somebody and they tap mercy? Yeah, Ben Lamb's a poker player here in Vegas.

He's a great guy. He's always been a good friend of mine. And I mean, we don't play for that much money, but it's fun. We had him buy out one day. Kurt and I, we played a team game against him and his buddy Roar. And that was the first time I met Rory. And he's actually from Ireland. But he's not as good.

He wasn't as good as the Rory Macroy that we all know. It's funny that you say like you, that, you know, you believe in in this putting thing. It's, it almost reminds me of Bryson with the long drive where it's like he's still doing that while he's competing at the highest level. If they came back with one of these things and one of these big tournaments, would you play? I think so. Yeah, especially if it was here in. Vegas or if they made if they made it feel like a big event like the first year they had it it was in this arena and stuff I mean it just made it so special it's one of the best golf

memories I've ever had it's pretty awesome I want to talk about you also had you know we've been talking about some cool and some highlights but you had a pretty rough rough go on the corn fairy tour I mean that one year so if if I gather this right the way it works back then and I think it's changed slightly is, you know, the top 25 from the regular season points got their tour card. And then the top 25 from the final series got their tour card. It was a three event series at the end. You got another chance. That one's a combination of PJ tour guys who didn't quite make the FedEx Cup players and the best corn fairy guys.

Am I reading this right? Were you 26th in both? Yeah. Yeah. How is that even possible? And that was during the COVID year. So like 2020, I played and I was 23rd. I mean, we had some events and stuff be canceled.

But I was right near the like threshold. And then they told us like after COVID, hey, we're going to go another year until we give out the card. So it was basically a two year season. And I finished 26, the regular season. event events and then we played the final three tournaments and I finished 26 there as well and it was it was brutal it was it wasn't fun what was your last tournament like in the regular season and what was your last tournament what was the tour championship I know I think I saw you missed the cut at the tour championship so that must have been agonizing yeah and then I

missed the cut in in Omaha as well And then the tour championship, I thought I was in no matter how I played the final event. I knew it was going to be kind of close, but everybody thought that I was in. And then like even the final round, they do like the projections and stuff. So like you can see your name going up and down the leaderboard. Like, I mean, I was 20th to like 26 the whole time and ended up finishing like 26th. Like so many bad things had to happen that final event for me to finish 26, and they did. But I wasn't that complete of a player back then.

I definitely learned a lot. My iron game was absolutely horrific. It's still not the best, but it's getting a lot better. I'm trying to get it up there with like the really good players. I hit so many good iron shots. It's just the bad ones that cost me a lot on the strokes game category. And then I'm left with like an impossible up and down. So I'm just trying to eliminate those even now.

But I've definitely cleaned it up a lot since those two years. It's interesting you missed the cut in both the final event of the regular season and the playoffs. Were you just really feeling the pressure? Not really. I didn't play bad. I didn't. The final, I don't know if I'll ever make a cut in the course in Indiana. I just, I do not.

The hard Tom Fawz, Victoria, is that right? Yeah, Victoria National. I don't know. I just don't play it very well. I'm actually a pretty good driver of the ball. It was never that aspect, but for some reason, I could never read those greens and they're bent, which I love bent greens, but I putted horrible on them.

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That's simplysafe.com slash foreplay. there's no safe like simply safe. I'm looking more at your numbers as you talk about your iron game. And I got to think you've got to be pretty excited because right now you're 15th on tour in strokes gained overall. But you're 159th in strokes gained approach. And you don't see that very often. If you look at the top players in the world, most of them, Zalotaurus, you know, Rory,

Morikawa, these guys, Justin Thomas, these guys are near the top in strokes gained approach. I think it's the one with the highest. correlation between world ranking. So you have a long way to go and you have a lot of room for improvement. Oh, yeah, definitely. I think the strokes game approach, obviously, is the one you can gain the most shots on, if that makes sense. Like, even being a great potter, you can gain a lot of shots, but you can't gain too much.

I mean, gaining a lot of shots would be probably like six for a tournament, sit seven on like the field. I mean, iron play, you see some guys, like you can really lose a lot of shots with iron play or you can really gain a lot of shots. And driver is the same way as putting. You can gain a lot of shots as well. Driver is very important, especially with like distance and stuff.

But you're not going to lose a crazy amount of shots, especially on tour because you're not playing a lot of golf courses. where there's out of bounds right and left and there's they have to have room for fans and it makes the golf courses a little bigger even even if you're even if you miss it in the rough it's not as penalizing as somebody's backyard yeah totally uh yeah you don't you don't find many courses on the PJ tour that are built into like a housing community where it's like oh i got a four iron here because it gets you know yeah it's a brickin dinner table um yeah Yeah.

You're number 51 in the world right now, which is really, really impressive for how, you know, quick and you in how short your time on tour has been. Finishing third, I think you finished third the first week of the year in Napa. How good of a feeling was that? I mean, your first PGA tour event is a member. And you don't, it's not enough points to lock up your card, but it goes a long, long way, I'd imagine. Yeah. There's, I mean, that was, that was a really special week because I've finished on whole eight and nine. and eight's like a crazy green and I birdied both of the holes and that like leapfrogged me.

I mean, I think it was like extra 280,000 or something. And you're still at the point where you're where you're noticing that. You know, you talk to some of these guys, these top players, you talk to some of these top players and they're like, you know, they've made like $60 million in their career. And they're like, yeah, I don't really think about that. But you're like, oh, nope, that was $280,000 those two birdies. I love it because I grew up where I was trying to. make putts for like five, $10.

Like every put, like I love like when a putt like means something like, okay, I got to make this put for like 10, 15 bucks. Like on tour you're like, all right, this putts worth 150 grand. I don't, I really don't care how much money I have.

I feel like those putts, like they just are, they're special. Just kind of being able to make it when you need to. Yeah. You've had some major championship experience. I saw you played the Open, the U.S. Open.

But what I was going with number 51 is number 50 is a pretty special number around this time of the year because obviously there's a cutoff. I think it's a couple of weeks before. But getting to the Masters, if you're in the top 50 in the world, is that something that's on your radar? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's, it's on my parents' radar too. My dad's like, your ass better be at the Masters.

He's like, get your shit together. You're like making 10 cuts in a row is not making 10 cuts in a row is not your shit's not together. It's funny. I look up this morning and he's giving me crap about shooting two consecutive 75s. And he's like, we have a master's to get to. And it's all out of like trying to be funny and give me crap. Like he doesn't really, I mean, he cares how I play. But even if I didn't make the masters, he wouldn't.

I mean, he wouldn't be. he'd probably just talk a little trash to me. I like that. That sounds like a fun dynamic. From your short time on tour, is there a guy that you played with or a moment where you were like, holy shit, like I'm out here? I mean, I guess, you know, you've been living in Vegas, so you've seen a lot of stars. But I don't know.

I feel like when you see some of these guys that you grew up watching, there might be a sort of a pinch me moment. Yeah, I think last year playing with Justin Rose during. the farmers and I played with them again this year. That guy is just like so pure and meticulous about everything that he does. And I really liked watching him play golf. I feel like it just makes you hit it better yourself. And then obviously I played CJ Cup this year and there was whole four. Is this par five back right pin. Everybody, that played, they put the tee up. We all had six and five irons into the green. It was downwind,

and the greens are concrete, and everybody else is hitting it probably 50 feet left. And then you two-pluck, because if you go just over the green, it goes down into the water, there's a bunker up front, there's water all the way down the right side. Like, nobody is going for this pen. Well, I look at the coverage, and I see Rory Macaroid made an eagle. I'm like, oh, I must have made it. like 60 footer from the left side of the green and he hit it up there like two feet and then he just hit it way up and i think it was a six iron and i mean i don't care how high he hit it and how much spin you have he still landed on the front of the green and it got all the way back there i was like did he block it but no because he he went for everything that week and it was it was amazing

because what makes the tour so hard is they put these pins and hard locations to where if you do miss, it's not going to be good. And just watching him hit that shot was an eye opener. Yeah, no, it's, I remember an interview that I think it was Abraham Answer. He did. And he was talking about he had just gotten his tour card. And he was in Napa in the event that you finished third in. And he's, he's hitting balls on the range. And it's, you know, one of those cold Napa mornings where it's 50 degrees and it's wet on the ground. The ball's not going anywhere. And he's, you know, he's hitting his five iron out there, 188, 190.

And he says, Rory McRoy comes up next to him and starts hitting the ball and starts hitting these irons that are just going way the hell in the air and they're flying to 15. And he said, he said that subconsciously, it really freaked him out. And he tried to start hitting the ball higher and tried to change the player that he was. and he lost his card that year. He went back to the corn fairy tour. Obviously, answers back now. You know, he's on live now,

but what was one of the, you know, the better players in the PJ tour the last couple of years. And it just, you'd think that a guy of your skill would be above that, right? Would be above looking at a guy

and being like, holy shit. But it seems like it still happens where you see someone or you see a shot and you're just like, damn, like, where did that come from? And I'd imagine it's a balance of appreciating it,

but not trying to, but not then viewing it as like a demarit on your own game. Yeah, I mean, I think all of us are trying to be perfectionist of like every aspect of the game, putting, chipping, wedges, irons, and driver. And at the end of the day, not one player is going to be the best at every single aspect of the game. But it's very easy to fall into that trap of, oh, I need to hit my long irons like Rory. oh, I need to hit my wedges like Justin Thomas. You go to the range and not one guy has the same swing. Some swings are obviously prettier than others,

but it's can you make that swing work that you have? And a lot of times it comes down to like the thoughts. Like even on 17 of the A match tournament, I was kind of right there in contention a little bit. I needed the birdie. I hit some unbelievable shots. 17 is the island green. Is that right?

The Alcatraz green at PJ West Stadium. Yeah, the island green. And I hit an awesome shot in the 14 with a wedge. And it kind of hit the pin, got unlucky, and came to the front of the green, or else that was going to be a birdie to tie the lead. And then 16, I hit another unbelievable hybrid in there. If it lands another yard, it's up there. And I have an easy eagle put from inside 15 feet. And I ended up making par on both of those holes.

And I let those two things kind of get in my head on 17 instead of just being like, all right, center of the green, go through your routine, the same thoughts. Like my swing thoughts are kind of a lot with like my shoulders and in alignment. And that's kind of what I think about. But on 17, for some reason, I was thinking, all right, let's squeeze it in there. Like let's get to this like front right, pin like let's cut it and I made the worst swing like ever and I squeezed it was it was it a shank or was it wasn't even a shank I hit it right in the middle of the middle of the face I was just not thinking the

same way that I have I mean I didn't miss a shot all day and then I got up to that hole and because of what happened on 14 and 16 I let it get into like my thoughts and I ended up like, it looked like a shank, but it was like a open face like, but I hit it solid and hit it right into the middle of the lake. I squeezed it right into the middle of the lake. It's funny. Yeah, no, it's, it's amazing that even golfers of your level, it's like, you know, you probably hadn't hit that shot in months. If ever, like. No, no, not, not at all. And it's just by the way that you think. And I think that's the hardest part about golf. Like when I play, especially for me, when I played basketball or baseball, it's really easy to stay like

mentally focused for like an hour or two. And golf, it's four days of just, I mean, you're playing for five hours, basically, walking from each shot. Like, there's so many thoughts that cross your mind while you're on the golf course. And it's really, that's, that's, hardest part about golf in my opinion is being able to have those same mental thoughts over every shot and i think that's why tiger woods was so good and uh in the big moments is because he could control his brain a lot better than everybody else i think that's right um you mentioned how 75 000 was like a billion dollars to you uh you've made 1.9 million already this year in 10 starts when i when i say that to you like what goes through your head does that feel real

Uh, not really. Um, it's been, it's, it's been amazing to be honest. I just bought a, bought a house that I wanted to. Um, and then I haven't done taxes yet. Well, I mean, in the middle of doing taxes. And then I'm like, wow, you don't really keep the amount of money that you think. No, yeah, there's a lot of expenses out there. I mean, walk, walk the viewer or the listener through, like, what your expenses might be on a normal week on the PGA tour? So I have my caddy. That's probably, or, well, him and I's deal is 2000. And then once I hit a million dollars, it goes to three.

So it's three. Per week. Yeah. So we restarted. I negotiated a little restart at the beginning of the year. So I think we're at like closer to 500,000. But I give him 8 and 10% of my, if 10% for a win, 8% of any other place. So you're basically taking out 8% of whatever you make as well plus 2,000.

And then you go down, you're paying for a hotel room. It all depends. Sometimes I like to have like a cheaper hotel room. Maybe I'll spend $100 to $150 a night on a room because I'm never there anyways. I'm always at the golf course practicing. And then you have food and stuff, which the tour does a really good. Like the PGA tour food is amazing. You have breakfast and lunch basically for free.

And then you just go get dinner on your own. But you're probably spending right around 4 to 5,000 a week. week on average just with like travel and everything. Right. So if I would say, and I would say that's probably like a cheap week because like if you have your family coming down, a lot of guys are spending 10,000 for a house and and stuff like that. Right.

And then some guys are flying private, but I'm, I'm, I'm not going to do that. Yeah. I was going to, I was going to say I think Rory McElroy's expenses for a week are probably a little bit more than four or five thousand. But that's, that's why, uh, that's why they did had this five thousand. for a miscut rule, you know, that they're starting to do. It's like that covers expenses for a week. And that makes a difference for guys who who aren't maybe off to the fast start that you are. Because you, when you don't make a cut and you're in the negative, I mean, that's, I don't care.

Again, I don't care how much money you have. You just don't want to be spending money on your job. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's what makes, uh, I think that's what makes golf so, so good as well because even on like corned fairy tour you have 156 guys that are like basically playing for their life like they're out there practicing every day like a lot of the guys on the pGA tour have made it and there's a few that maybe that week they aren't practicing as hard um i don't know it's just a that's my perspective of it. Yeah. Well,

you've earned it for sure. I think we're going to air this the week of Phoenix. I saw that you're right now, you're an alternate. Are you close? Are you in? No,

I'm in. I got into, yeah. Let's go. I'm excited. Oh, I love that type of golf where fans can yell or do whatever.

Even when I first started working with Lou, my caddy, he's uh he's always been a good buddy of mine we'd go play golf together ever since i was younger and uh if like somebody was like talking or somebody something like he'd be like oh quiet pleased it up like i'm used to that like that's how i grew up uh so i'm really excited for the waste management i hope it's i hope it's crazy out there yeah that'll be your first elevated event i think yeah yes so i mean I mean, dude, I just want to congratulate you because, like, you went from the ultimate heartbreak

finishing 26th on both to you're playing the elevated events. Are you into Genesis the next week as well? Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you're in Phoenix and Riviera and you know, you're at you're already on to a bunch of guys who have talked about how there's the A tour and the B tour. And when you get your card, you're on the B tour. You know, you're playing in the fall and you've, you've earned your way to the A tour. Probably the fast. of anyone in your class. So congratulations on all your success. Thanks, thanks for joining the show. And, you know, we'll see you in Phoenix. Thank you very much. Can't wait to see you guys. You have to make sure to come out and say hi. We'll do for sure. Thanks, dude. Thank you.