Fore Play - “Would Fore Play break damning Tiger Woods News?” with Kirk Minihane

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Kirk Minihane sits down with Riggs in Miami and poses the question: “If Fore Play had hard, damning Tiger Woods news, would we break it?” We debate that and discuss the mysterious Premier Golf League, what we dislike and like about golf coverage, which players have underperformed, how good of a job Ernie Els did as International Presidents Cup captain, and a lot more. Anytime Kirk hops on, things get interesting!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We're live in Miami. We have my good friend Kirkmanahan, big golf guy. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's like the one sport that you genuinely enjoy. It's the only sport left that I enjoy and watch and consume. We talked about this last time when I was in New York with you guys.

Yeah, I watch it all the time. It's all I watch. Why do you hate all the other sports? I hate them. I'm just... I have no desire to watch them. If it's on, I'll watch it. I probably will not watch a Super Bowl,

the big game on Sunday. Yeah, careful. We'll cut that. But like, you know... You're not going to watch the soup. Come on. If it's close at the end, I'll watch it. Don't part...

Isn't part of you think you have to watch it just because everyone's going to talk about it? No, because we want to talk about it in our show. We're so insulated. It won't even matter. Yeah, but it's like cultural... And I'll tell my listeners not to watch it. And they won't watch it either.

Is that like a... You're sticking it to somebody? Yeah. eat it. I mean, no, I mean, if we're flipping around, if I'm doing nothing, I'll watch it. But like, you know, two weeks ago, I watched every single shot of the season open on the champions tour. Every single shot.

With Ernie and with. Freddie Ernie and Jimenez in the playoff. See, but that's because, too, like you don't get that every time. Sometimes you get like Scott McCarran. Some of that stuff's just not that fascinating. I watched Jeff Maggard at the Schwab Cup championship. Hold out. I will watch any, if you put any, I told you just before it's a.

Genius idea. Watching you guys play golf, I will watch anybody play a hole of golf. Anybody outside right now, if two guys are playing, you know how it is if you're sitting at the bar after round and you're watching guys, you watch their fucking approach shots and watch them play.

And it's fascinating. I don't know why it is, but it is fascinating to me. Yeah, it's, I guess the difference probably is that if you're a golf person, if you're obsessed with golf, you can on some level relate to what they're doing.

Yes. Even if it's like, even if they're fucking way better at it. Brooks Kebkekker, whoever, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas like the, the, yeah. But even their go-to shot, they're way more consistent at it.

But the average guy can a few times around do the same thing. Sure. I mean, you can make a birdie. Correct. You know, you can make a couple of pars. Now, I'm not going to, I'm not hitting driver nine iron into a 530-yard par four. No. But there are different ways to get there. But you're right.

Like Pat Mahomes. You can't relate to that. No, I might as well, I could fly just as easily. Right. If somebody like breaks a few tackles or returns a punt or something, that's like a situation that you never, ever, under any circumstances your life could relate to. Whereas golf...

Can you watch hockey and relate to it? Yeah, but I mean, I played hockey at high level. But like, are you able to... Yes. Yeah. Yeah, but I guess that's not necessarily... It's not the only reason, but I think for us, golfers,

that's why we can watch golf. That's not necessarily the most important golf. Right? Like, I think that if you're a casual hockey fan, it's probably hard for you to watch like college hockey even or like an average... HL game or whatever.

Whereas you're talking, you and I can watch Champions Tour, we can watch the LPGA. I can watch freaking, you know, Mark Mulder playing

the celebrity golf classic and, you know, I can watch it. But they also get to, they get to, as the coverage, pick and choose,

right? So you get to watch, like, the important stuff. Well, yeah, and I do think, I do think some networks are significantly

better than others at that. Like, oh, definitely. I'm CBSed out at this point. They, they, it takes, you know,

for instance, Rah made an eagle last week, they didn't show it. They didn't acknowledge it. Yeah, they had no coverage of it. It just shows up on the leaderboard. And I'm like, well, how do you, in 2020 not have that, I don't have to have it

live. I get that. This shit going on. But like, how is that not, stuff like that happens and I'm mystified by that. Do you think it's too sponsorship heavy? Like they're drowned out by the sponsors? NBC at this point. I mean, the President's Cup.

Well, did you watch? Were you able to watch? Presidents and Ryder's Cup, Rider Cups are both all commercials. True. But so did you actually able to watch the live? NBC feed of the President's Cup Were you watching some other feed? We were watching the Euro-Australian feed,

which was much better. Right, I heard that. And I had the same experience at the Ryder Cup last year where I was watching like Sky Sports version of it, which is way better. Well, they have this NBC's play-through, which they do all the time, is awful. You can't see what's going on.

It's annoying. I'd rather just give me the commercial, come back, show me what I missed. Yeah, they kind of, they abused that. Totally. They introduced it whatever a couple years ago, and it was like, oh, all right. And then now they're playing through half the time.

All the time. Yeah, it's, I don't know. Like, part of me, there's always been complaints about the golf coverage. They don't show enough of the shots. I think, like, I'm on my phone a lot anyways. So I don't notice it probably as much as other people. Yeah, like, just scroll on Twitter or whatever. So, like, for me, I don't notice it a ton because we live in that.

Like, even when I'm watching football, if they go to a million commercials, I'm on my phone a lot of the time until something dramatic happens anyways. Yeah. Just because I'm fucking reading an article or I'm scrolling Twitter or whatever. Right. So I don't notice it a ton. What I hate about the coverage is like the very clear things that make the coverage better like biking players up. Man, no brainer. Caddy player conversations are the best thing in golf.

And every time those come out, they get a ton of press, spread, retweets, all that shit. I don't know how much of it is like PGA or versus the players versus NBC or CBS or whoever is doing the coverage. But that is by far, I think, the way that golf needs to go coverage-wise to get better. and they have added, like, the fact that they've got the Pro Tracer on nearly as many shots. Like that, revolutionized the way to watch golf. You know, Fox got shit on, but they introduced that stuff with the first U.S. Open, and they've made, and by the way, Fox has now settled in. At first it was kind of a mess.

When they had Norman on the coverage, Greg Norman was. Yeah. And now they've kind of figured it out, and Buck's actually not bad. It was also Chambers Bay was the first one. So it was like there was. Yeah. It was just weird. But it is funny.

Like Fox, they've gotten a shit a lot of times. Remember when they do the streak behind the puck and hockey? Do you remember that? Oh, sure. Oh, Chris. That was, yeah. And the robots and people went crazy about that, but. It's an idea, though.

Right. Like you're trying to, when you move forward with stuff like that, you're going to have some disasters. But I think that's okay. Like, you know, like CBS, I always wonder about this. So the lead analysts in golf right now are Aisinger. Mm-hmm. Aisinger. Actually, he's on two networks, right?

Yes. NBC and Fox, which is also weird. Yep. In Faldo. Like, I've always thought maybe like a guy who might be best analyst, is maybe a guy who was one sixty-eighth of the world. Like, why are we always chasing? Like, why'd you have Greg Norman?

Why didn't you have, I don't know, pick your, you know, Jeff Slooman. Some guy who bounced around forever might have a million stories and might be good. Yes. Why are they so hyper-focused on that? I don't know. I mean, that goes to our defense. When people say, you guys suck at golf, how come you have a golf podcast? Like, well.

Yeah, but everybody sucks a golf. Correct. And like, what is it, 80-something percent of people are worse than like a 10 handicapped? Yeah. So clearly like that. And that's a whole separate argument. But you guys don't claim to be. Correct.

You're right on that. Because, like, the, why don't you get the person? And look, we, I think Nick Faldo is hilarious. And we had him on this show. Oh, he's good. No, Faldo is a show. Well, we had him on the show. And he is like a rambler.

I mean, he just rambles about stuff. And he does that on the coverage. But they can always kind of anchor it to like, oh, he won a bunch of majors and he's been in this position. So, Sir Nick, please tell us about X, Y, or Z. But I do think some of these guys, God, I was just blanking on a guy, Colt Nost. He's been really good on there. but they kind of, different network, golf channel stuff have, like,

sprinkled him in here and there. But he's not necessarily a guy who's a household golf name, but clearly, like, once you're at a certain level, you clearly know about all of the shots. Just because you haven't won a major, like, that doesn't mean the fine line,

but like that guy could go out and shoot, that same number 168 in the world could go out and shoot 67 to Rory 70 any day of the week. Well, if you went out and watched, right, in the world right now, whoever, you know, Brandon Steele, and you watch John Ron play 72 holes together,

you probably wouldn't know that Ron better. I mean, if you watch them play a thousand holes, you might find out, but you wouldn't really know. But, you know, I will say this. So CBS hiring Romo, and that was sort of a game-changing thing, sort of was a, I will say, he's nearing 50, he's super opinionated.

If CBS, and Val is getting older, if they could convince Phil to do 10 tournaments a year, eight tournaments a year in that booth, If he's the Phil Mickelson, like the social media asshole, the Phil we've all heard about, right? The fig jam film. Yep.

That could be a tremendous. Tremendous. Do you think he would do it? Eight tournaments a year? I'm not saying 22 tournaments a year. He's going to be 50 in June. Like, you know, he's not going to play the champion store. No, he might play like the U.S. senior opener.

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, and he's got more money than God. And he's not, let's face it. I mean, he's what, right now in the world, 80th in the world? Like, we're at the point now. 60 something like that. Yeah, we're now legit like it's, we're there now. It's happened.

Eight tournaments a year. If he's a real Phil, like the Phil you hear stories about, that would not not be unbelievable? He does clearly care too about like his video, content brand. No question. A little too much, I think at times. Yeah. But, you know, like you would do it.

Like, for instance, I convinced me. You talk me into it. Good. Everyone thought that Bones was going to be this great hire. He's been kind of a bore. So if Phil's going to get boring like corporate Phil, fuck it. I don't want it. But Phil, like the story.

you hear about and that stuff. And by the way, you guys have been, you guys and Phil have been dry-humping each other now for forever. I think so. Are we going to, in 2020, will Phil Mickelson make an appearance on four points?

My theory on that is that Phil is going to launch his own podcast or something along. He's got some sort of deal in the making that's content related. And he's waiting until that breaks and that all settles before he comes on here. To announce it. Either to announce it or whatever. He doesn't want to give the free showing to, foreplay before he can really benefit Shipnuck

Did he? Yeah a couple of years ago But it was not See now though I think he's got his eye on the It's too That's pre yeah He's too calculated with it And two this and that

He gets too like He's trying too hard I'm sick of the fucking cabs We struck up the Yeah me too We got it We struck up a conversation with me and Frankie In the DMs

And I remember He responded and we went back and forth But I think that he's got something in the cards I also heard with the bones thing That while the bones higher And bones is great He is just a little boring, I think. He's not, I thought, I expected more.

Yeah, and cabby, I want like. Well, it comes sexy, right? Like, he's Phil Mickelson's catty. Almost like he was going to be this courageous risk taker because Phil was as a golfer. We've also heard for years their relationship and he's kind of, you know, you've heard he's funny. And then you're like, oh, he's not that funny. No, he. And you wonder if, like, the, um, being a broadcaster or whatever sucks that out of you because you become too businesslike or professional or whatever.

But he is like his insight does carry a ton of weight when he gets there and talks about, especially when he gets there and talks about, especially when. he lines up yardages and how the wind's going to affect it what it's playing but you got to be like if you're the casual fan you might be after they cut to him the 11th time like this fucking guy again because he's boring but from what I heard was that they really want to get the top players that sort of phase out but that they're too expensive so they now are going to guys like bones and whatnot which makes sense would you be surprised all while we're talking right now though that you find out that he just took john rom's bag or something like that it just seems

like that i think he'll go back yeah yeah He's young and he does all that stuff. And it's got to be significantly more boring for him. Oh, yeah. There's no juice at all. I mean, you're on the other side of it. Yeah, and you're an outsider and it's got to be weird.

I don't know. But yeah. So I'm obsessed with it. I watch all the time stuff like that drives me nuts. The commercials drive me nuts. You know, CBS hiring Davis Love, who's, I mean, you find a more boring person than David's. That was surprising. Especially because they...

Big name, though. They do. This is what they do. They think that some viewer would be like, oh, it gives a shit. And they did their whole thing about how they let go of, like, McCore and they did all. And then to get young. And then it was like. And then you bring in Davis love.

So, McCourt, I think, though, was a good example. Because, like, you know, I mean, his stick got old. But when he first came on the air, he wasn't a great player at all. And he was kind of irreverent, indifferent, indifferent, and changed the way golf broadcasting was. Definitely. In a lot of ways, in that, I think when you have a guy who wasn't a great player, he's got to kind of dance for it a little bit. Farity. Farity, too.

I mean, it's not that they, again, we're not describing these guys as bad. Like, they, they, they, they're like on the Ryder Cup. Yeah. And these guys have won tournaments. Like Brando Chambly gets shit on all the time. He won a PGA tour event. He won a tournament. And so what we're talking about is like the difference at that level is minuscule.

Yeah. And he is a star like, Faldo and Aisinger and all those guys. But yeah, there's sort of this. But I don't know that it matters in the coverage like that little bit of difference about like how one guy was. I don't think it matters.

They've always, the U.S. team specifically. US always had this big heart on to get stars to be rider cup captains. Well, maybe those aren't the right guys to do it. Right. Maybe it's a guy who's like a Paul Goydosos or whoever.

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meaningful help to your business and as little as just 24 hours. This promotional offer is subject to terms and conditions that can be found at get bluevine.com slash four. What do you think of the president's cup? You get into the president's cup? Oh, God. Fucking crazy. Of course I got the president's.

Well, I don't know because a lot of people shit on it. Well, this one was hard to. Well, yeah, we talked to like, we were talking about yesterday. Like, it's sort of, Ernie else did an awesome job. Like, he did everything he could and is feel bad for Ernie else. Yeah. So, but I think that international team for some reason.

We talked about this yesterday. So I was actually going to look it up last night. I forgot to. How many guys on the international, we talked to us yesterday, right? How many guys on the international team would have qualified for the U.S. team? Now, the international team does it by world ranking.

Yeah. So how many of those guys, gunned to your head? I would say two. Yeah, we were trying to do it off the top of our head. Scott and Hedecki. And Scott, I would say, questionable. Scott Hadecki, was Jason Day healthy enough like over the last year and a half, two years to make the team?

Maybe. I forgot about him. And there might be like Louie? No, because he ended up pulling out because of injury. So I guess you couldn't even count him. Leach, no. Leach, no. No, I don't think Leish would have made the U.S. team.

Who was the lowest rank? Who's the lowest, I'm trying to think of the lowest ranked United States player. Lowest, like, you mean like worst ranked? Sorry, yeah, yeah. Well. Anybody outside the top 30? I would say no chance. No, because I think Woodland had to be inside, right?

Because I'm trying to think of the captain's picks. Yeah, he's not the top 20, I think. Tiger, obviously, Tiger was like six or seventh when he got picked. Top six, yeah. Who else on that team? Johnson? So the fact that Ernie Ells was able to take that team, and really they should have won. They were in complete, there was a point where they were going to go up nine to one after two days ago.

And then there was a couple rallies, and obviously the U.S. came back, barely won by a couple points. But Ernie Ells, I do feel really bad for it because he did such a heroic job. And the captain always gets written off, right? It's like, it doesn't matter. It was, though. It's saving lives. I mean, you know, let's not, let's give it this. In the context of the golf, okay, Kirk?

I didn't say he's fucking dragging people out of burning buildings. I'm a friend of the boys and blue. That's all I'm saying. I'm offended by it. Right. Blue lives matter? Yes, right. Is that we're turning it into that?

Yes, it does. They do. They do. I agree with that. Relative to golf and captaining a international team where they talk, they've got like the language barrier. They've got the, what's his thing? who showed up in like had no interest. Yes.

He didn't use his caddy and didn't speak to anybody. Used like a local caddy, right? Yeah, and didn't talk to anybody. And that type of stuff is incredibly difficult. Yeah, pull up some names. I'm on it. But the reason I use the word heroic, Ernie Ells is going to not get remembered as winning

because he lost a tiger yet again. But I do think he'll be remembered as like a good captain. He is now for sure. Everyone's like, oh, Tiger should captain every team. Tiger was not doing the great He fucking dragged out that Reed Simpson team Over and over again Brought him all again Saturday afternoon

Like if they had lost He would have got crucified Didn't play himself on Saturday Play himself on Saturday Which look I mean you know He's not he's not young anymore Circumstantial is probably the main reason But it was still even for

It was weird You have to think that he's invested In the success of the President's Cup As a whole Yeah Right and he drives the needle He is the needle So for him to not play Saturday

I mean, even like being on site, like the local Aussies were legitimately sad. Like they were walking around sad. I was there to see him. Correct. I mean, he had to be on that team. Yes. He had to be on the team. That's the other thing.

It's like it's just not, it doesn't feel like an event. It feels like a PGA tour, you know, chance to broaden their international horizon. The president's come? Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. I don't mind. And that is what it is, right?

I mean, the tour runs it. All right. Lowest ranked U.S. player on this team was Couture 24th. So, you know. So you had And that's like guys That's including That's basically getting to like number 14 or 15 guys

Because two of them couldn't play That's also true Right So who would Scott Who's Tays in the decade Three players Those are the three that would have qualified

Three players Three players I read a lot And they almost won I read a lot that the underrated guy And this is another guy I would mention too If he was ever going to do TV Because I guess Oglevy was super

Involved Like analytics and stuff like that. Like he played a big role in it. Really? He was like a sleeper. Yeah, he was at Ernie's ear the whole time. Yeah, he's big into breaking things.

He's got, he's one of those guys who's clearly obsessed with golf outside of just being a professional golf. Yeah, I think you'll do TV. He does a lot of architecture stuff. So he's very into it. So that doesn't surprise me. But we did talk about that yesterday. Um, I want you to weigh in on the battle that we had with old media.

So, you know, classy as I am. Yes. Uh, praise the segment on my podcast. Appreciate you. text saying I enjoy it. Which doesn't happen that often. Didn't get a response. It's a liar.

Immediately. Immediately. Which triggered me and left to other things, which you apologize for. So we can move on. We're fine. We are. I just, I've been in enough locker rooms and press boxes and stuff. And like I used to be on the radio and was successful on the radio without that traditional,

like I didn't start in a little shit station. you know, move from here to here to here to here. How did you start? I don't know. I wrote for WEI.com. I was a columnist for the website. And then you started doing little hits?

I just started doing radio on the weekend. I knew nothing. I didn't know anything. I didn't know it was a cough button. Nothing. And then I started doing a little more. They liked the way I sounded. I kind of sounded natural.

And I just kind of kept moving up. So my first radio job was at one of the biggest sports radio stations of the country. So you'd run into people at the Super Bowl, say. And it'd say, you know, how did you get here? They'd say, oh, I started in Des Moines. And I went to, Spokane and did this and that and this and that and now I'm here in Elmira, New York.

And I'd be like, I started the, I don't know, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I don't know. I started and I'm still at you. I didn't go to broadcasting school. I don't know anything. So similar sort of. Yeah. So, so I would get a lot of that shit and I was be like, well, you know, fuck off.

So, but with this, it is simply purely, they understand that the winds are blowing and they're not on board and they can't understand. Why? And they're angry about it. They're not really angry at you guys. They're angry that it's changing. The days of sitting there and stuffing their face and then wandering out and watching the guys play a couple of holes. And, oh, we're done now. Oh, I got to file my story by 1030.

So it's in the paper tomorrow is over. No one cares about that. Yep. And to your credit, and I actually at Karabas on my podcast today, it's not like you're pretending that you don't like the players. It's not like you're acting like, you know, like you guys are pro. players. You love golf. You love and by the way, so do they. Like, they love

golf. Otherwise, they wouldn't be into it. Yeah. I mean. How do you get into a full-time career covering a sport unless you are a fan and love that sport? Well, unless you just have to do it to make a living. But there's no way that would end up with golfers. All those guys play golf. Correct. Now, they've been treated. They're used to, like, the only defense

I'll have for them is like, say, um, uh, Bob Harrague. Mm-hmm. Like, I think he was used to guys like Curtis Strange and Crenshaw and Kite who were just like assholes to the media. Faldo was wherever they're kind of like you're beneath me. Whereas now it's sort of you know, you guys are friends with some. The media can be your friend too. Yeah.

And now when social media is changing and they can't keep up and they're kind of old and scared. And I do actually in the way feel bad for them. But I would, if I were those guys, I think I might have said this. I might have said this in my podcast. If I was a guy like Harrog, put this way, if Harrog reached out to you guys and was like, listen, I'm just going to be the old fucking clueless guy. and you guys can shit on me and I'll shit on you. How great would that be?

It'd be the smartest thing he could do. For him, it's like the Goodell argument. Like, just play along. Yes. You know, just be like, yeah, oh, you guys are, you know, and just figure out something. That's some fun with it. Right.

Who gets hurt? Well, I've actually long said, I think, like, Roger Goodell has to be a stoolie or something. Because there's no question. The amount of, like, flack and coverage and free press. Goodell better get a cut of this. Yes. He better be sending him, you know, 10 million bucks.

He might have a suite in this hotel. He's probably got a hot tub. But it's crazy. No, it is, and it's true. And it's, part of me, like, because when you look at this shit and you see, you get upset, but you also, like, I always, if you see that there's another side, which there is, I always try to see it from the other side. So what's the other side. That? The other side is exactly what you just described, which I think, like, unless you make the effort to pull yourself out and look at it that way, it's hard to see.

And it's very easy to just be like, yeah, go fucking four-play guys or Barstool guys or Kirk. Like, like, the new guys, fuck the old guard. They're just old. But there's a reason that they're responding that way, right? Like, they're not all idiots. Like, clearly there's a reason. And that reason, like you said, is that I don't even think they hate us. I don't think they're mad at us.

I don't either. I think they're upset. Like you said, that things are changing, which are requiring them to change, and they don't know how to do it. And that is frustrating. So my daughter is going to be 13 in a couple of weeks, February 12th. And so she's a 12. You guys don't wrestle around on the ground. You broke that story yesterday.

I did. No, I wanted to clarify. I wasn't sure. And I asked. Which leads a lot of questions there. but that's fine. It does. You've lived your own life.

I'm not going to get it. I didn't know she was that old. Before being honest. That was weird. Okay. It is weird. Yeah. But that's okay.

So, like, you know, we're in the car a lot and she'll listen to her music and I don't like her music. But I'm not supposed to like her music. My mom and dad didn't like my music. And their mom and dad didn't like their music. That's how it's like one day Kate and Harry will have kids and their kids will play music and they'll be like, what the fuck is this? Right.

So I am trying best I can while knowing I'm an old guy, acknowledging that I'm not supposed to like it. And they should probably the Harrogs and the, who went on? Shackleford. Shackleford. He kind of got looped in. He's not even that old. That's true. But at least he went on. He did. Right. No, that was the best thing he could do. So go on. He wrote, um, he wrote, um, he wrote, I thought a very nice little piece on his website that said, you know, I learned a lot I went on. I think he's a good writer, too, by the way. Yes. And he's, and that's why, like, even during that interview, I tried to get into a little architecture with him because there are

clearly things that Shackleford is good at that. He knows a lot more about. Right. Than we do. And he's been successful to a certain degree in what he does. And that's great. But like, like in your analogy there like you shouldn't hate the musicians that your that your daughter listens to right and that'd be like and you wouldn't like go out of your way to like attack them on social media or whatever and so when they did that to us obviously you responded you've been known to get into some back and forth some people before so i thought yeah did you like it you feel comfortable see i love that yeah but i'm a i'm a like frankie and i are both i think argumentative opinionated people but you in fight with me with you well i got mad like after that

like you laid out you didn't go on social media about it with when you guys were chirping me well I wasn't but I'm saying when yes on social media I don't think but you guys the difference is that you do that with everyone I was just like the flavor of the week so I didn't care I was like oh that's right we're fighting yeah right because of you I don't care about that and you but like and I know that it's a um the people that I would be fighting which would be some of your fans and I'm not going to like paint the whole brush I don't care 20 times no but my only point was that I know that like I'm never going to me responding is it going to change what they're saying so who cares? Correct. So I don't care. And I know that you and I are that serious so whatever. True. So when I saw I saw the Harrogs and those guys I have to have to have a apartment as like oh I did feel bad for them like why are you doing this? Because just forget you guys like just the audience like why are you

subjecting like why are you doing it on Twitter? That's where we live. Right. Like have a just take a deep breath. You can be pissed. I understand you want to talk to, I forget what the specific. The thing they were upset about or that they were chirping us about was the tiger fist bump. After he finished his round, he finished his match against Abraham Answer, made the plot. And then he walked by and fist bumped us. And then they were responding to it being like, how embarrassing is this? Your media credential, blah, blah, blah.

Now, that being said, I do think, I do think it's different. I actually think if they wrote for, you know, a golf publication, they probably shouldn't be fist pumping Tiger Woods. Agreed. But here's the difference is that they know that we. We don't. And they are using that as like, I'm fine with that. Right. But they're saying like, oh, we, that would be embarrassing for us.

We're like, yeah, no, we're not disagreeing. But that's our version in that moment of like, okay, if you, Herrick or Shack or whoever had 30 seconds with Tiger, what would you get? Like maybe they would ask them a question about the architecture or that. And you could write a story about it. Cool. Good for you. Right. This is our version of it.

And if they don't like that because we didn't, it's not like we had 10 minutes to interview Tiger. No, I get it. They're like, if he fucking walks by, what are you going to do? Well, we're huge tiger guys. We're going to fist bump. So here's the question I raised about when I talked about my podcast. I actually came up with Carabas today because obviously, well, you maybe don't know. I have an issue with the Red Sox.

Yes. Corobos does not. Okay. That's weird. So I said to Carabas, and I think I said this about you guys. So let's say you had a story cold, locked in. Tiger Woods failed drug test, steroid test. Cold.

You have it. Are you tweeting that story? No. We don't break news ever. If you had that story cold, you wouldn't break it. You just hold it. We don't break new. We've had news before.

But I mean, that's earth-shattering. Like, my question will be, why wouldn't you break that? So we, because- You give it to somebody who would break it. We would wait until somebody else comes out with it and then respond to it. We say all the time, we don't break news or we respond to it. Even with the whole, like with- That I think is crazy.

So good. So we disagree on this. Good. All right. So, well, we're not journalists. Yeah, but. Yeah, but we also, and we don't have, but we also don't have the, and when we do, we usually make a mockery out of it.

Like, even with the Patrick Reed and the caddy thing, We, like, made a mockery out of that. Ha-ha, you have to quote four-play because it's a joke. But you found out today Tiger Woods got popped for steroids and suspended for whatever, three months from the tour. That's massive news. But if we found out... What if you found out and they managed to hide it and they said he was injured and it was bullshit? But you knew that was bullshit.

No, we wouldn't run it. That's crazy to me. That's crazy. But to us, Kirk, like, we don't have the proper channels to verify that it's like definitely the deal. Well, what's saying? Fucking Joe Likava and, you know, his agent told you. I don't think. we would break it.

That's, you're fucking crazy. Why? Because that's huge news. But it's not like, if we, Barstle has been built on the fact that we don't break news,

we respond to it. People Parsley will break news. But that's, okay, occasionally there's certain situations. You're describing one where I don't think, like that is such a, but that is such a major piece of news that I don't, there's no scenario where we would have it and no one else would break it.

You say scenario? You say scenario? You really say scenario? Yeah, there's a few things I say that people. That's bizarre. I also like to say, I like to say advertisements too.

You do? Yeah. Do you spend time in Canada? The hockey thing? A little bit. Yeah. I also like the way Canadians talk. I think it's, yeah.

It's friendly. It is. That's great. And the Scottish. I think they talk in a very friendly way too. Wonderful. Any other parts of the world you want to go ahead? Okay.

You would have to break that news. That you have to do that. That's massive news. Look, I think like... So I guess my question is, are you doing that to protect a guy you really like? No. We're doing it. The reason that I think we'd be doing is because it would be such a major story with such consequences that I genuinely don't think like we have and are capable of, of, but even the news that they break is like a joke every time. They literally call it breaking moose.

But if it's legit. Like a cow. But if it's legitimate. I understand. But if it's legitimate news, you can mock it still and in present it. Look, it would be, everything's like circumstantial, obviously. If it was a, if I would, we'd have to be in the position. but the way that you're describing it,

it can't be possible that we would be the only people that could have it and that no one else would get it. So our thinking, very obviously, it'd be like, all right, we have it. We don't care about being first because that actually means nothing. Someone else will break it and we'll respond to it.

I'll go six layers, six levels down. Okay. So is DeCambo talking to you guys now or no? I imagine he'll be back. Okay. See, I pay attention to this stuff. I appreciate that. Unsubs and I resubs.

Did you? I think it does too. I refollow you on Twitter. Or like Massachusetts. up their whole algorithm and it doesn't count as anything. I don't understand it. So he texts, he DMs you today. He's like, hey, just so you know, I broke my hand, I'm out for six weeks.

Feel free to report it. Yeah, I'd probably report that. Why? You don't break news. Because it's not that big of a deal. You'll break news, though. That's not that big of a deal. You react to it.

No, because we would make a joke out of that. But you react to it. We would pretend like it's the most important story in the world as like a mockery of breaking news. Because who cares. He broke his hand. Other people were going to report it. They're not going to report it as like, wow, this, um, has massive ramifications on one of the great careers in the history of golf.

And just be like, all right, you're not going to see Bryson at the fucking waste management. Phoenix. I broke my left hand punching Brooks Kepkin in the face. I hate that fucking asshole. Report it. DeShambo. If he told us to report it, we'd report it. Okay.

Well, then you're being inconsistent. That's all. No, because he told us to report it. But if tigers, you're saying you break news. But what you're saying is like the tiger thing, he didn't say report it. Now you're telling us Bryceon himself said. We're not trying to protect a guy. I think it's going to get out.

maybe not that news with Tiger would get out no matter what that's probably true but still I also think on some level we protect guys like we've had

you're all over the place no I'm not well you just said you don't protect you said you're not protecting him now you're saying you're protecting no I don't think in that in that specific scenario scenario whatever you want to call it

that that would be the reason would be like solely for protecting a guy now I'll give you an example of like we've had guys on our show that have made comments or used words in responding to something that if got out could be taken completely out of context and would be painted like there some bigot or something. And we've just cut that to protect the guy. Not because the guy's not a bad person. We don't think that he believed the way that it would

be painted is correct. So I mean, so there's things that we've done to protect us. Right. That's okay because it's a friendly. Like sometimes we'll have guests on where I'm trying to get them in trouble. Right. Correct. It's so but if you're having somebody on like, hey, we're just bullshitting here. we're friends. That, that to me is, I know, I would do that with a friend as well.

But that's our general vibe. Anyways. Sure. Like, would you have cut the Roanick? Would you have cut the Rowanick stuff? Uh, we would have. See,

probably, it's not, I don't think those, obviously those guys weren't trying to trap him or anything. That's a close one. We probably would have talked about it. I'll give this. I bet we would have talked about it.

I'll give the check guys for this. I mean, they did every, if you listened to it, they did everything they could to get him not to talk about it. Right. They said, like,

We know you're kidding like 26 times. And you run into that when you get people coming into our environment, trying to be cool and conversational. But you don't like, here's the thing. Like, right? In that situation or any scenario, scenario, if we're going to have somebody say something and then we know or we believe in our hearts or whatever, just with our own judgment, they're like, they're not the type of person and this is going to get spun into them being, then we'll definitely consider cutting it. Now, if we think somebody desert, right, if Shack of Revenue. came on and said something that like, whoa, and we don't know him that well.

We're not trying to protect him. We think we don't know him. So therefore, this might be who he actually is. We'll run it and let people decide. But if we don't think, right, because you know how media spend stuff. They take it out of context, whatever. That if they're going to,

it's going to really hurt someone PR-wise in a way that we don't think they deserve, then we'll probably consider cutting it. It's waste management week, ladies and gentlemen. One of the more exciting tournaments to watch for very different reasons, different because of the crowd. You get some rowdiness, 16, you get guys chirping.

I'm sure there'll be stories about some unsavory, some unruly behavior from the crowds. Who the hell is going to be able to handle that type of stuff? I'm on Fandual right now. I'm checking out some odds. I think Colin Morikawa, 29 to 1 if you go to Fandual's sportsbook. Okay? If you go over to Fanduel.com right now, use code forwardplay. You're going to get a $500-hour risk-free bet.

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20 years ago, we told a, I want to say, like, a joke or something? In like a, when he's in a limo with a bunch of different people. Yeah, with the writer and he's like, we're just, that's off the record. And he was like too late. And he ran with it. Yes. Now that's different.

His job's different. Correct. That's what I'm saying. He's, you know, he doesn't know him. If that happened with us with Tiger, we definitely would have cut it. Right. And I, I, and people will say that, you know, the hair, but like, I understand that's, but what I like is you guys don't lie about that.

Correct. Some people will be like, oh, fuck. And they would cut it. That I have an issue with. And you're right. Like the, the, um,

in the scenario that you're painting with Tiger, if we had that news and all that, we would consider, we would consider, we would have to consider like our future relationship with Tiger too. Like is us breaking this news and having it be, uh, well,

your relationship with Tiger is, you know, I don't want to break any, I don't break your heart here, but I don't think it's going to, I'll cut your mic. I'll cut your mic. You think he's going to do a podcast of you guys.

Yeah. That's going to be just a slurp fest. You guys want to be able to talk. And people will, love it. They'll listen to every second number. Remember 16 and then you rolled back and then it went in. If he says that and describes that shot in detail on our show because we asked him about

this year. Both. Okay. Who cares? I have it. So I don't think he'd be, I'll say this, I don't think he would be mind-shatteringly open. I'll tell you what, it'd be good if he was 30% less guarded than usual. Correct.

You know what I mean? Which I think he would be. A little humanity. Which I think he struggles with that. And I think it's more likely to get him that way because he knows where guys that might not break the steroid story. Right. Like he knows that we're guys that like,

oh yeah, in a way we're trying to protect him. Now, if he came on and, like, I don't know, if he said something that was like, really horrific that he was doing in like life

that was affecting other people, like, okay, we'd have to do that. But that's, that's not going to happen. That'd be weird move. But that's,

I think there is a certain like societal obligation to break stuff. I think so. I think so. But my point is like with, with that type of news, it would be, if it's more beneficial, to us and our relationship with guys that we like,

we're going to consider that before we're going to consider journalistic integrity because we're not journalists. It would be a very strange out-of-character move for him to go on your podcast and admit he committed some sort of horrific crime. I would be surprised. I would do. So that you would run, though. If it was clear that he was posing a danger to others,

I think we would have to run it to protect society. 16 of Augusta. I'm concerned. I've gone the last. couple of years, as you know, I'm going again this year. I don't like, I think they're lengthening the 13th hole. I don't like that. I don't touch that. I don't know that he is.

Ridley's been pretty, um... But you saw the... You saw, yes, I did. He's kind of put the ball in the USGA and the RNA's court with that. Okay. Which he's done very strategically. Where he said, we're going to wait until their report on distance comes out, which is, I think, February 4th, basically putting the ball in their court of like, if

they dial back the distance thing, we might not have to change one of the most sacred spots in all golf if they don't we're going to have to so the first year i went i went uh early in the morning i followed fred couples around and then in the afternoon he always plays well there always plays well there's because i just like i he's my favorite golfer so i just like watching i just like the whole i is your favorite golver that sweet swing just like attitude just i don't you know who knows it's hard of why guys are good looking guy he's got a good thing he's like me very laid back casual that's i always think he is the kirk minnehanna golf uh and i met jolla kava the springsteen

concert and fucking awesome guy. Why were you at a Springsteen concert? You even like Bruce Springsteen. Enough. Anyway. So you don't. You said that. Well, I say that.

I said it like glory days. I've seen the guy 66 times in concert. Oh, you said you go to the bathroom during glory days. Yes, anyway. 66 times. 66 times. Marilla, me, my favorite hockey player. Number 66.

Yeah, you did wear number 66. That's true. Good player. So I went to 13 that first year and watched, stood there. We were for like two, three hours, watched everyone go through. 400 and I forget what it is now. 480 maybe 13?

Now it's like 510 10 maybe But back then it might have been 480 65 I think when Nicholas That's crazy town Crazy so it's shorter than 11 It is

It yeah it is But so you're right It was 510 And I would say Watching it from there I think half the guys Still had the layup Really

Yeah because a lot of guys Just blew it right into the trees You know the Mickelson thing's unusual So once you get there They're like fuck it They lay up You've been there right Yeah

You can lay up as far right As you want Yeah we're by the gallery You can miss it 70 yards, right. So shitload of the guys laid up. And I was like, this is fantastic. And, by the way, guys have to turn a three wood over. There's a little bit of shot making.

If you move it back 50 yards, everyone's just going to bomb their driver. It's going to be the same as every other fucking par five in the world. I agree. Why do that? The reason I think is because if you hit a good drive now, it's not a decision. If you hit a good drive now, it's like a short iron. Like Bubba hits pitching wedge. I'm fine with that, though.

So there's a hole where you can make an eagle. So what? But I think. the difference should be... I like it on the second nine that you can shoot the 30 there. You know,

you can shoot the 45 or you know 40 or 48. Yeah, but you think that's going to change that much? It just takes part of it out. Put it this way, if you, like, if you hit a lousy drive,

you're definitely laying up. And if you bar it down there, I'm just totally... If you hit a drive, it takes out the chance that Phil could do what he did there, which is iconic. Like, Phil hit not a great drive

and was able to hit one of the more iconic shots in Master's history. For sure. But that won't, If you hit a bad drive like that, if they move it back, then Phil has to lay up. The weirdest, one of the weirdest things about Augusta is at 12. I remember the first year I went and I was watching, it was couples.

Neiman was an amateur. Do you get like the feels when you walked to Aeman Corner? Well, I walk into a guy, I probably talked to him the last time. The first time I walked into Augusta, my dad always wanted to go. We never got to go with him. So I was like, I'm going. We're going to, you know, after he died, I'm going. I walked in there.

And it is like, it is like walking into, a video game is not appropriate. It's like walking into a cathedral and you know Everything just from watching like I know Every hole and it's like you're like this is oh it's actually weird because you've never been there But it's like seeing like a movie star in front of you something like holy this is this is and it's like if the cathedral We're like alive with what you know and there was a whole thing going on but you could be a part of it And the place is run like a Swiss watch. It's insane in and out of the concessions The fact that everywhere doesn't do the concessions the way they do where it's like funnels and you

grab and go instead of instead of lining up in the bathrooms they whisk you in there and there's a guy who's like number one or number two yes and you just and he points you go points to the urinal and you just follow yeah believe me anywhere you fall through and you're gone but the old things are true it's way hilly and you think and all that stuff

but I didn't realize I knew from watching it I didn't realize how quiet 12 is because there's nobody behind there yeah if we watch it and somebody stuffed the two feet you had no idea he made the put and you just kind of like stuff like that is weird Yeah, because you're hesitant to clap because they can't hear you. And you also don't know.

200 yards away. Yeah, and you also don't know. Is that for like, is that up a 20 feet? Is it four feet? Yeah. But it's the, I think it's, I said this with you guys last time. I would, if you said to me, you could win any of sporting event, it would be the Masters for sure. In the world, I think that's true.

Any sporting event in the world. The Masters. And I think even a lot of non-hardcore golf folks agree with that. Like Big Cat yesterday even on radio was like, oh, the Masters is as good as it gets. Yeah, we're pulling our dicks out with the Masters knowledge. Big time. That was fun. I mean, I can do that all day.

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right when it opens. You know, and when they bring you in, it's like 50 people at time, 50 people at time. I love the, I love the fact that your phone's not there. I fucking love it.

Yep. Because you were talking about, I'm the same with you, whether I'm watching golf or football, you're on your phone. You're completely, it's like, it's incredible.

So you go in and then you just kind of, you have like an hour before the T. Just to walk around. Then you go and you say, oh, there's a little par three. Then you see the guy show up. And then you just kind of find your spot.

And like, you just sort of, like, the whole day I'm sort of just like, I'm still, I've been, like, I'll go again this third time. I'll still be like the whole time in shock and the day flies by and I like, oh, shit. There's nothing I've ever experienced like walking into Augusta for the first time, but then making our way down towards Aman Corner.

Yeah, it's amazing. It was myself and Trent and we literally talked for a living and we walked down there and we stood. And the way that the pines sort of look like a throne behind 12 and 13 green and you're witnessing it for the first time and you've seen it. And it's so peaceful. Like, how can you have this many people witnessing? and consuming something so special and historic and being so quiet about it and clapping respectfully

and drinking respectfully. All of that happening at the same time, but it feels like nothing's happening. So everyone's just standing there. It's unlike anything else. Yeah, we had a little rain delay this last year on that Friday, so everything got pushed back like an hour. So nobody was at 13 yet. I grabbed the sandwich at like 11, 11.30,

and they got a sandwich and the Coke, and it was like two bucks. You love Coke on your trips. I do. that's like your big yeah that's when you let loose my vice yeah nobody's holding you down it's get those coax yeah i sat on in my little chair at 13 with no one there by myself and just sat there watched it and like i was like this is literally perfect this is perfection so we had the first year that we went was when sergio won so 2017 and uh we did all our bullshit during the week and then sunday we couldn't

go into the tournament during the round because we had to be tweeting about it and all that and then we lose the whole value of what we do if we're in there with no phone So I knew around like noon or one we'd have to be back. I went in at like 8 a.m. I had to go buy a bunch of shit in the pro shop. I went in 8 a.m. And again, like Trent and Frankie and they were there. And I was like, you know, you guys just do your own thing.

I've got a plan. And I went and at like starting at like 830 or 9 a.m. After I got out of the pro shop, I just started on one T. And I just walked the entire golf course, start to finish. And I just looked at the pins. And it took me like maybe an hour and a half or something because I kind of took my time. But I just walked start to finish. And to this day, I was alone.

I didn't talk to anybody. To this day, it's like one of the most peaceful and enjoying things I've ever experienced. I'll tell you, that has to still kill Rose. How do you lose that? 17 with a wedge in his hands. That has to be, that one hurts. I mean, there was a moment when Sergio was in the trees on 13 on the left, like in the creek, hit another one. And Rose is like a stroke or two up at that point.

It's a fair way. Oh, and you're going, this guy. That's a tough loss. Collapses all time. Somehow Sergio makes par. Rose makes par And then they go on down the stretch And Eagles 15 and all that happens

Rose that has to kill I still think Rose might win one Yeah Yeah he's kind of Do you like Rose? Yeah I'm okay with them He's one of those guys I've never really like

I don't pull for him Yeah he's um Golf is also I like the fact That there are just guys That for some reason you just pull for I don't know why that is But you find your guys You know I don't know who you're

I mean forgetting tiger Like he's always kind of that guy Kiz is obviously our guy but he's like our, he's like become our buddy. You know, like people all pull for Ricky because he's got the fashion or they'll pull for, who's like another rant? Like even Coacher had his thing for a while before his whole. Cooch and people just rooted for him.

And then it turned out he was real cheap. Right. But there's also this sort of you get behind person while they're making that chase with the first major. Yeah. You know, there's always that with, you know, for years it was Westwood and then, you know, it was actually Phil for a while. And now I guess the best player with other major is Ricky Fowler? Ricky's getting up there.

I'm forgetting somebody obvious in the top. I mean, Rom, but he hasn't been around enough to say that. He probably is a decade, I guess. I would almost say that you're starting to get into the realm more of guys that are really,

really good that haven't won more majors. Like the fact that Dustin Johnson has one major is crazy. The fact that even Rory hasn't won one since 2014 is five years, over five years. Is ridiculous. But again, a lot of these guys are young. in the top I'm looking at like Xander good player but yeah I'm talking like

guys that have been around Ricky's been around now for like 10 years so like it's it's kind of time yeah it's getting there he hasn't won enough though like that's true you know like Phil was at a point where he had like 20 some odd 30 and he hadn't want a major and it was like is this really going to happen this guy's going to win this many times it's wild though like when you watch Dustin Johnson play well you think how has he not won 60 times on tour how is he not have seven majors he's you know it's he's got a little bit and I hate to say because he's my favorite player. A little bit of Freddie in him.

Is your favorite player? Freddy, I'm saying. Oh, Freddy is. He's got a little bit of... Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah, he's got a little bit of that. I was looking at the website.

He's a little bit like that where you're like, how is this not worked out more? Like, I don't know if it's a lack of... Because he's won. How many times? Yeah, because he's had the stretch where he's won every year. Yeah, right, right, right. I think he's at 20, 21 wins, something like that. He's probably 20, yeah.

Yeah, he's an interesting one because not only should he have won more, but like he had the incident in the bunker at at Whistling Straits where that would have got him into a playoff and he grounded and so he had that issue he had the three putt where he should have won at Chambers Bay

or very easily could have won at Chambers Bay he had a lot of close calls he had the two iron he hit like out of bounds of the British Open when he's making a charge so he was Darren Clark right I think it was yeah so he clearly oh he's got like five or six

not only does he have the talent but he has like the situations where he should have won a bunch and you got to think that he will but like he's not getting younger either though no he's gonna be running out and he's not the kind of guy i think that's gonna be like grinding when he's 43 yeah that next generation it seems like it's catching up on him the other guy i have now i really like because i love guys who who have flaws and show it and bleed on tv basically

i do love speed now like i'm liking this i'm liking the inevitable comeback i'm now going to be a big speed guy have you ever um have you ever um have you ever like sat behind him on the range or like during a practice round you'd love him even more After every, the split second he makes contact with every shot, it is a mental meltdown. It is back and forth with Greller, with McCormick. A couple of years ago. Yes. The whole time, every shot, which I love to.

Because there's a lot going on that. I remember talking to my brother about this a couple of years ago. And I said, I was like, I could see Spith. I hate to say this turning into like a Duval or a Chip Beck or Baker Finch where they just mentally snap. Golf. I mean, it happens. I mean, you know, all of a sudden you look at the guy is, you know, speak now is, I think outside the top 50.

51, I think he was at the end of the last week. How crazy is that? That doesn't make any sense because he is... He couldn't fail. I mean, even two years ago, you know, he made a great run and read. And it's funny. It's one of those things you had to be at the gust to the sea. It's amazing to see how far back he was for that second shot in 18.

Remember he hit the... Yes. He was like 3.40 out. Yeah, and he had the 3-1-out. Yeah, and he laid up and he had a great way. Yeah. But he's 51st in the world. He too, like, he seems a guy that, though, could be 55th, 70,

him from the world and show up and still win the masters and get himself back into it. I do like, too, that you called it the inevitable comeback of Speed. You think there's no way he doesn't make it back to the top? Don't you think he's just too, I don't know if it'll be number one again, but he's just too good. I mean, he's just too, you know, like I would have, I think Tiger should have picked him for the president's coming. I think so. I think that course would be to play well on that course. Plus, I just like, he's a better player than Ricky Fowler.

I mean, I don't know. I like Kevin Speeth around. Golf, though, is so much about how you're playing now. Oh, it's completely. That's why everyone was thought that Tiger might pick. What's his face? Todd. Yeah.

Which would have been. Who would have been. Silly. You can't do that. Three years from now, Todd could be 700th in the world. You can't do that. It's like if you're trying to do what we talked about earlier,

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Go to earnest.com slash four today. Terms and conditions apply. Speaking of PJ Tour, you have any thoughts on this Premier Golf League that's popping up? I don't really understand these ever. I don't know, like, I read about it. It doesn't happen that often. I think the last time was like the 90s. Yeah.

With Greg Norman and Murdoch. Yeah. And remember Freddie was trying to do that tour as well. It was like guys who were 37 to like 54. Was he? I don't remember that. If you look up, I'll send you a link to it. We made that pitch as well and everyone got, everyone got pissed off at him.

It's fine. If it's more golf, it's fine. You think guys are going to bail on the PJ tour. Doesn't part of you love that they're kind of going after the tour, though? Yeah, well, I think the tour, I do think the tour is complacent for sure. Yeah. You know, and it's also, like, for me, I like it, but I can see how the average golf fan is like, I'm not, what's this week?

This weekend is what? Race management. Oh, that's a Super Bowl week. But I can see how, you know, the week after week thing, I can see how, you know, that's the same thing. Although, you know, they have done a good job of making some events seem bigger than they did before. But, yeah, I do like the fact that they're going to kind of say the PJ tour. All right, like, here we go, a little competition.

Because they have been a monopoly for the entire existence. And it's almost. unfathomable that they would ever not be that monopoly. True. And so someone coming in, I think is cool. I think the whole, just the simple premise of someone else coming in and offering that there could be competition. But like, what would they do differently?

That's where it gets obviously tricky. And like, you got to be very creative. You got to try shit and hope to just hope to God that it works or that you got to be nimble enough to change if it doesn't work and then hope that it's not, you didn't miss your window at that point. But, you know, they're coming in with obviously the money is going to be a huge draw. They're coming in with like, it's going to be 50. four holes with no cut that they're going to mix in some team competition.

I do think it would give them the freedom kind of that like the European tour has where they're able to do shot clocks. They're able to mix in like, yeah, some wacky stuff that, again, I don't know that all that has stuck. But I think that there's like the tour does have an overarching protect the shield vibe. Everybody knows that. Even like the Patrick Reed situation has highlighted that. That's weird.

Massively and how the slugger white. came out and said like he couldn't have been more of a gentleman. Yeah, right. With all that stuff. So I do think that even like introducing another league where they could be something that is against this whole protect the shield vibe. And Monaghan came out himself and was like, it's us or them. Well, that's so that so that's the thing. So in the past when this has happened, you know, whether it's Dean Beeman.

Right. Or Finchum. It's basically like, great. Good luck. If you do this, you'll never play in this. Get the fuck out of here. You're losing your tour status. Yes.

Now who is going to. Now, if a Rory Maca, Roy or Dustin Johnson or, you know, I mean, Tiger Woods isn't going to do it. We know that, right? At this point in his life, he's not leaving the PGA tour. It would, if he did have some deep-rooted, fuck you to the tour, see him doing it at the end. I don't know that they've done it.

Right. But like Steinberg didn't say no. Of course, you might know and you wouldn't tell me. He might have told you. Well, we established that. You buried it. We established that. There will be no negative Tiger Woods on this podcast.

So he could be jumping that tour today. You might know. I even changed the way that I speak because of. him. Oh, really? Yeah. He says scenario too? No, but if he did, I would love him even more. He came out and said that golf is not a verb.

Oh, I saw that, yes. And, you know, one of our big things was like, who gives your shit? We'll call it golfing. I golfed. You don't do that anymore? No. Okay. Okay.

Well, my thinking was very simply that, like, if there is one person who is the final say on something like that. In golf? Probably Tiger. That's fair. Yes. But, like, I don't see anybody doing that. I just don't see somebody risking what is easy street right now. I mean.

And that's right. They're already making a ton of money. They're all becoming rich. Why would you, unless you're someone who's like, if you're in that fine line where you are a professional golfer and you are on or you have certain status on the PGA tour, but you could go to this other tour and make even more money because the higher person is that. Then you're not a draw and you're not exciting enough for them to bring you anyways. But there's the kind of thing we would say, you know, okay, here Rory and McElroy,

here's a five-year, $400 million contract to play on this tour. Could you do that? I don't know You know what I'm saying? Like here's guaranteed money You can play in these events as well But if you're Roar you're saying Geez do I really want to

You know Now here's the thing Like the Masters You can still play the Masters You can still play in the U.S. Open So playing the Open Championship And you can still play the PGA Championship Right?

Yeah because a big part of what Monaghan said Was the schedule for the team golf concept Is designed to directly compete And conflict with the PGA Torch FedEx Cup schedule And not to conflict with The Masters, the PGA, the U.S. Open and the Open

Jamichin. So they legitimately set up their schedule as a fuck you with the PJ Which I mean I watch the FedEx Cup but I don't care No Like we we were doing this the other day all the Masters winners who won the FedEx Cup in 2011 I don't know brand fucking snap that's what I mean I don't even know But nobody cares about that no and they have tried it'll never get to that But they're also ending it earlier this year

Yeah they have to which is a smart move Yeah they consolidated the whole thing and and whatnot to speed it up so that they don't conflict with football but yeah I I on the again the simple premise that someone is challenging the tour to any degree I like it I can't work at Barstall and not like that right It's tradition it's challenging the

Let me ask you this I'm sure you get to wrap up here in a minute Like when you The I've always been interested The origin of this podcast Yep Did you pitch this to Dave? The origin of this podcast is actually

That everyone at Barstool is starting a podcast Okay And Trent and myself I mean I think Barstle had 20 employees at this point maybe 30. What year is this? This is 2017. It's actually not that long ago.

This is the fall or this is, um, we actually launched, we're coming up on, uh, this might be exactly three years since we launched. We launched waste management slash Super Bowl week 2017. All right. But the whole premise was, uh, we wanted to get more into golf coverage. Everyone at Barstow was starting a podcast at the time because we had recently within a year been acquired by Chernin. And Trent Daddy and myself were the only two people who liked golf.

We were the only people. We covered golf. We blogged about golf. golf and we had for a couple months been doing test episodes and we're like we want to get into golf and do a podcast so we launched it that way largely as like this will be another outlet where we can talk about golf it'll be fun it'll be really easy was there any in building resistance to golf golf's old guys or no yeah oh yeah really yeah right away i mean right away we um started to get like when we would get credentialed or invited to really any uh outing it was there were definitely people that would

look at us a certain way or people that responded to what we were doing a certain way within the barstow building like golf's an old guy's sport or no. No. Because it's not. I mean, it's, no,

because I think there's, um, with the sport like golf, even though people say it's declining or memberships or whatever, participation is going down, like there's always a certain crowd, especially when you get, um,

northeast white upper middle class males, true, which is a large part of Barstles audience, especially back in the day. Right. Those people love golf. Now how fortunate have you been. while this podcast has been going on,

the tiger has made this resurgence. It's the barstle difference. It's Dave selling his soul to the devil. I mean, it's the same, right? Like, Barstool wouldn't be anywhere close to where it is if the Patriots didn't emerge and win all their Super Bowls.

If the Red Sox didn't break the curse and win. True. The Bruins won Stanley Cup, the Celtics. Like, all of that has propelled barstool and forced eyeballs to pay attention to barstool. And we're no different. I mean,

our biggest shows that we do are after Tiger Woods wins. Right. I mean, people tune in because Tigers start. And there's no athlete in sports who changes television viewing like he does. No. Like there just isn't. If he's in contention, people are going to watch. Yes.

And it's to such a degree that there are certain people out there that think we fake our tire gear fandom because it would be so good for business. Did you ever at any point, let's just say, you know, the chipping yips, the 85, the back where you said it's over. We're done. See you later. He'll never. I was at the point where I'll admit it, four or five years, whenever the worst of it was. What was the chipping yips tournament? That was waste management.

That was waste manager. 2015, maybe? Yeah, I was like he's done. I was like, it's over. Where he's blading shots over the green. He's a disaster. And then he showed up with the Masters, maybe the next year. No, it was that year.

He took two months off. Where he couldn't. Not the one where he didn't, but the next year we didn't play and he showed up and he was like an old man and he helped him out of his seat. I was like, this guy is actually done. Yeah, and it was where he told McFalo, I might never play again. I might never play again. And he was like sweating. Remember the moment when he showed up with the Mazars two months after having the chipping yves

And he had headphones in and he went to the practice area and just chipped for like an hour We actually a decent week that week. Yeah, he did. He did. But yeah. But it's was there a moment where I didn't believe? You know, like. Yeah.

Of course. Now, I will say that like we. I always thought always that like the reason I'm such a fan of Tiger is because he has always done the not doable. He has always done unbelievable. and therefore this is no different. Like if he could hold a chip on 16 when they said he couldn't get the ball inside of the Marcos ball, then he's been doing that kind of shit for 20 years, then why can't he come back from back surgery?

Like ex-person, Freddie Couples is like, it's changed his life, but like he's come back from several back issues. Other people have had certain issues with technique or whatever that they've been over to overcome. Why wouldn't Tiger Woods be able to do that? Well, he had a lot of demons, though. tons. That's the thing. And that's honestly,

in a weird way, it makes him more likable now. Oh, big time. Like, you know, it just, I mean,

I was never a huge, I was not a massive tiger fan. I admired him, but like I was so into this tiger comeback. And I was insanely into him at the masters. I was like, I have nothing against Molanari, but I was cheering

with Molanari put in the water twice. Go nuts. By way, that's another devastating loss. I mean, the guy didn't miss a putt. Didn't do anything wrong. He was lights out.

A 12, dunks it in the water. 15 hits a horrendous third shot. Terrible decision. That's got her too, too. That guy should have won that. He was unflappable. He made every little par putt he was supposed to make.

And that was after the bridge opened, that great rider cup. And you're like, this guy is. And this guy's on phase by Tiger. Yeah. And then go to the 12, which should not be that difficult, but it always is. How many people hit in the water there this last? I mean, it was a conspiracy even that it was all the Nike guys. It was Kevka.

It was Tony Feeneau. It was Molanari. Polter actually, I think, hit in the water too. not that he's a Nike guy. He did, and he was in the mix, too. It was like four of the six guys in the last, in the last six to come through

or something like that hit on the one. In that hole, which is, what, 1505? Yeah. Something like that. There's not been a hole in one there in 32 years. Is that right?

Yeah. Curtis Strange. I think that's right. Curtis Strange, I want to say in 88. Because on, nobody, nobody fires at the flag.

But that's amazing because there's always a day where they put it front left where it's a wedge for everybody. And they can even spin it usually because it's greens are relatively soft because it's April. I mean, 16 now is like,

a video game. Like everyone makes a whole one and 16. Yep. 12, I think it's been 32 years. How is that possible?

Why is that shot so hard? I mean, I get that if you flail it a little bit. I get for us why it would be hard. Yeah. I understand the Sunday. I do get that. The winds swore.

But that's what they say. The winds are weird and you don't really. But you even had guys like Kepka seems to be unfaced. Right? Yeah. Like relatively unfaced. You have Molanari who seem to again be like a robot who's not like nervous in that situation or at least not affecting his game because he just stuck it to Tiger.

at Karnusti. But then they come up and it didn't seem like Brooks Kepka even said like he flushed it. He hit a great nine iron. Right out. It just came up short. That hole's great. But this is all that we've been talking about.

Oh my God. Ruined him. I mean, that you ruined him. The fact that he flubbed that second wedge was, but we are, right, like all we're talking about right now is,

is aiming corner. We've talked about it like five different ways and how special it is. And that's basically what Fred Ridley said about why they're very hesitant to extend 13. Because like it's such a sacred part of golf. That making, nobody's tweaked it. I mean, really, like, yeah, they've made 11T,

but nobody considers the T shot at 11 to be part of the main corner. Right? It's the second shot in 11. It's all of 12, and it's the T shot on 13. Yes. And so changing that, he's aware, would be a monumental moving goal. What's funny is I walked down 11 and last year, and I forget the guy's name. It's one of the guys that, it might have Cameron Smith.

On Friday blew it so far right. He was in that place of Tiger was in the whole time. And I was like, I had never seen that ever. in my life. And he actually hit it. Oh, it was flea wood. He needed a great shot from there. I was like,

I don't think I've ever seen this on TV. I was like, this is a new place. And Tiger spent the whole fucking week there, almost like on purpose. Yeah, that's a place too where they golf now. The trend is to take trees out everywhere. When Augusta, like 10 or 20 years ago planted a bunch of trees there.

I like the no tree thing now. Me too. I'm all for it. Yeah, me too. All right, Kirk. Okay. Been like an hour. More importantly,

are we doing radio with anybody today or no? It's just me and you. So if anybody out there listening, who doesn't know, We have a two-hour radio show live in Miami in the phone of people. We have no idea if anybody else is doing it with us. I mean, you know, I'm not saying that Dave would have anything interesting to say today if he was one, if he was around. Just to bounce something off him, right? Just in, I don't know if anything is the pertinent that people would like to hear about.

I'd like to hear two hours of Masters Trivia. Yeah, I bet he'll see if he knows who won in 92 and how, how, what fashion it happened. Yeah, your guy. It's one of the greatest days of my life. One of my guy, Joe, Jolikov emailed me today. He did? Out of the clouds. look at this. What's that about?

So he simply said, I'm doing a pizza tour today in New York. And he said, Prez and you came up a little bit. And he told me the spots that he's stopping at. And then he said, you know, he might be going to a Rangers game. He's a huge Rangers giant guy and all that. Yeah. And so we actually, last time I ran into him was at the garden. And it was during a Rangers game.

Saw him in the concourse. We were having a bunch of beers. And he's a massive sports fan. He's always got, we saw him run. over to Sequin, we're at Bethpage. And he legit, it's very funny to watch a guy carry Tiger Woods's golf bag all day and then run away from Tiger to go, like, get an autograph from Giants player. I was wondering, like, so he and Freddie were like tied the hip forever. Like they hung out together.

They traveled together, like best friends. That can't be the case, right? From the way he- I mean, they're wrong well. From the way he describes it, like, they're pretty damn close. Yeah. Like, he's described it that they, like, they'll, uh, during a week like Bethpage. when Tiger brings his yacht.

They'll hang out on his yacht and watch TV and play cards and stuff. Yeah, the tiger, I'm enjoying the tiger embracing like the guys, the teammate element of it now. I do and I don't. Oh, really? I like the fact he's an older guy now. Like, I think that's good. And by the way, when push comes to shove, now he's back to the point where like the Masters you saw it, you saw the President's Cup. Like now guys are actually intimidated again.

Yes, which is that's why I get. It's fun to watch Keppka kind of shit his pants a little bit. Yes. I like that. I get a little nervous about, like, him having the Yoda type character because I saw him at the 2017 President's Cup, and he wasn't announced that he was coming back yet. Right.

And he's walking around, and he was like, he's on comms. He had the mic and the headset. Remember the 16 Rider Cup? And all he was doing, again, it seemed like he was a mentor and that type of vibe is like,

it's over. I need him back now. And I do like that. Finaa told the story about how he, at the Masters, because he was in the final good, didn't say a fucking word to him. But that's good.

But remember the 16 Rider Cup. Did you read Feinstein's book about that or no? No, but I actually had him on the... I had Feinstein on the show. He was a pretty good. It's a pretty good book. Yeah. he'll be I almost I care about gambling now

we should probably do some we do need to get into deep into the analytics about how Tiger might be the favorite Macquarie would be the favorite he's never won there yeah I do yeah I think he'll win a time or two leading up to it and that'll change things a little bit definitely could if Tiger wins once before now and then which I think he probably well he's not going to play that much he'll play more than people think he's going to play in LA he'll play LAA it benefits his foundation he'll play the WGC

in Mexico. He'll play Bay Hill. He always does. Last year, he did play the players, which is four and he'll play the match play, which is five. Also play five times before. Yeah. The match play last year he played well, right? He'd be McElroy. Yeah, he lost to that Beer Guard or whatever. What is he? Denmark or Norwegian guy or whatever.

You're right, maybe he'll win once before. I think he'll be the betting favorite. Let me tell you something. I don't mean to be a dick. He probably. You don't know how gambling works. Yeah, you're right. I can walk you through it if you like. Yeah, and I, we love gambling. And gambling is probably the most important thing in the world. three team teaser like you wouldn't fucking believe. Three team teaser.

It's crazy. All right. Kirk, Minahan's show podcast. You put a podcast out every five days or four days or week? Every single day we do about a three hour podcast. That's only supposed to be an hour. Contractually obligated to be 50 minutes.

Jesus. Nobody over delivers like you. Well, I mean, but, you know, do I get, thanks. Thank you for that. Yeah, where are you going to go? You wanted to go somewhere with that. No, no, it's fine. No, no.

Credit. Oh, yeah. It's fine. Yeah. Go download it. We got to play golf sometime, too, by the way. I want to do one of these competitions with you guys. Yes.

I want to see my shot on the pro tracer. Yeah. We'll get you. By the way, I have control over the prox. I have the control over the pro tracer. Well, the editor,

it's not like, that's not like a real protracer. That's just Jake draws that wherever I tell him to draw. Oh, really? Yeah. I think I'd message to him. I actually got like semi emotional when Trent chipped in.

It was, I was actually watching like, I was like, this is a real. Now, by the way, I saw it before, I thought it was for like a birdie.

No, it was for par Was it for par? Par? I thought he chipped over You know what? It was for boge. I think he chipped over, chipped over and then made a putt because somebody

finally took a wedge out of his hand and he putted it from down there. It was funny, but it was like a legit, that's what I mean. It was like a great, I'll put it up with almost any other non-tiger golf moment last year. People enjoy watching other people

who golf play golf. It's just one of those things. Trent? Yeah. So we've always made him a 25, which some argue you should be lower, some argue he should be higher.

He's never broken 100. So anybody who argues he should be lower, that's just mathematically doesn't make sense. Having said that, he's a very dangerous team match play 25 because he hits it straight. He plays a little baby fade. He hits it straight. And he goes through streaks where he can make several bogies and even pars in a row. But then he'll make an 11 and a 12 back to back. So it's not like a 6, 6, 6, 6. 6.

He'll make 4, 4, 410. Correct. And he's very dangerous because then if he's playing with a good player and me and Trent team up a lot, like I can make a couple pars when he's having shit holes and we'll kill people. I did enjoy the Bermuda stuff too. That was fun. That was, yeah. I went to Aruba once had the same thing.

It's not, it's not playing. It was clown golf. It was fun. It was, were you enjoying it while you were doing it or no? No. No,

because I'm very competitive. What was the most ridiculous yardage club you hit? So we had, uh, on the par three, I think it's the fourth hole at Port Royal. I've played there, yeah. Yeah.

It's after that part five. So it might be the third hole. Okay. It was over water. I think it was 137. And I hit a four iron. And I hit it to my best shot of the weekend. I hit it to like 15 feet.

And then my playing partner, if anybody's like, well, you're a pussy rigs, which nobody would ever say that, especially not your follower. No. My playing partner who played golf at URI was a really good player, finished second in this event the year prior, really good player. He hit five iron to the front edge of the green. That's crazy. It was 137 in the straight.

in the wind. So it was wild. And you combine that with the fact that I just wasn't hitting it well and you get some really good content. Well, I'm glad that we have come full circle here. Me too, Kirk. Yes. You're welcome on my podcast anytime as well? I need to come on. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Let's do it. All right, goodbye. I appreciate it. Goodbye. Hit it hard.