Fore Play - Xander Schauffele

Episode Date: October 29, 2020

Xander Schauffele (31:39), the 7th-ranked player in the world, joins the show for the first time (with his dad!). We dig into nerve levels on the 13th tee at Augusta when Xander realized he was leading the 2019 Masters, confidence going into this year’s Masters, his journey to becoming a top-10 player in the world winks at the Presidents Cup, Frankie’s chipping, Riggs losing to a 12-year-old, and MUCH more!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We have a big guest. We have the seventh ranked player in the world, Zander Shafley and his father, who is quite the character, are joining the show. We have not recorded with them yet. We're recording with them soon in about an hour. So we're going to chat here for a few minutes. We're going to throw it to Zander, and then we're going to come back and do our thing on the podcast.

but he is one who we interacted with very briefly before in Melbourne, Australia. He and Justin Thomas tried to outdrive us lefty and tried to outdrive Frank. See how they could do lefty, which was actually incredibly impressive. And then he kind of winked at us the rest of the week every time we saw him. He just gave us a really cool wink. And I don't think we've talked to him since then. Cool is an interesting way to describe that interaction because before we did the lefty long drive, they had him and tiger and j t they were hitting it over the water onto an island green that was

like part of the presentation and the first time we saw him we were standing right behind the tea and he did he winked at us but it wasn't like a like a cool guy like bang hit you with the wink and keep it moving it was a wink that then his eye stayed shut and he continued to look at us and it was one of the stranger interactions i've had not with a pGA tour pro but with a human being in general So again, we haven't interviewed him yet, but I cannot wait to get an answer on if he remembers that and why, if he remembers why it was like that. It was very strange interaction. Yeah, it really confused us, I think. And he's a guy that we hadn't talked to before.

So at that point, when he got gives you like a way too long held out wink, it's sort of like what the fuck did that mean? Like where are we at with this guy right now? And then he was cool, great with us. He was busting balls behind the scenes. very funny at the, you know, when we did our little bit driving lefty and we haven't talked to him since. So I don't really know what to expect, but I love Zander. I think Zander, a lot of people put him up at the top when it comes to, you know, Augusta National, major tournaments as like, oh, no, Zander could win any tournament at any time because his game is so

pure. He's very calm. He never seems to get rattled. And he's only 27 years old with four wins on tour. he's a seventh rank player in the world. So having him on the show is very excited. Yeah, I mean, anytime somebody gives you a wink, I would say your inner circle.

I don't know if you could take that another way. And from like his standpoint, I think it makes a lot of sense because he was winking at us also from depths. Like it wasn't like we were close by, but usually the winks came in when we were like, you know, within the public and around a lot of other people. So I think that wink is like, I'm not going to shout and make a scene hello,

but I'm going to give you a wink to acknowledge that I know you exist and then it won't really do anything like to the masses themselves. So I think inner circle now I could be dead wrong. I've been dead wrong about multiple things. So I'm excited to talk with him. Also, we never announced that we're going to speak with someone early on the show ever. So I hope you didn't jinx technology or the world that is the world today. And I hope that he joins his podcast because it's a little dangerous now.

Let me say this. He's not winking at Jeff Shackerelman. Like that's not a fact. So the fact that we got a wink, I think overall it's a good thing. I said cool guy because anyone who just winks at someone that they've never spoken to before is, that's like a swagger move that's just, like we can't. None of us on this show can just wink at random people. Like, we can't do that.

I don't think I've ever thrown a one wink at one person in my life. I think they would freak out if I wink at them. And I can't really wink. I have to bring up, you know how some people just do the quick eye shut? my entire, the entire left side of my face goes up. Like, it's not sexy. Right, I'm not a dual side winker either. I can only wink with my left eye and then even that's bad, but I can't, I can't just

wink with my right eye. And so, in order to pull a wink, you've got to be kind of upper echelon. You've got to have full swagger. You got to know the room. You almost have to own the room to pull off like a long, anytime, a hundred feet away, winking, that's cool. Feels like something Sinatra would do. Like bang and hit you like.

It was cool. Very cool. It was. I was got to do a little click with your tongue too. You know what I mean? You can wink. Yeah, you're, Frankie just kind of waiting to talk to show it.

You know when I winked, I winked at, and it's a sore subject, but I winked at Taze's wedding. Someone's like, look at you in that wild outfit. And I was like, like I walked in and like one of the guys

like, what are you wearing? And I was like, and I just hit him with, the little fucking wink and it tore the house down a well-timed wink there's nothing like it can you do dual side winks can everybody in this room besides me do wink from both eyes i don't know what that means like you can't close your eye dude i can't that's crazy i think there's some what's wrong you can get for that i can just close my right eye i see i can but i have to why are you doing why are you doing that trend what is that

face stress I have to do that that's why that's why when I started is not connected to your eyelids try to close you we will not just take to this if you don't close your mouth and wink you can't do it you can't do it you can't no no close your lips close your lips and wink Trent and I kind of have the same thing But we want to our kids Are you Fred? Why are you?

What's wrong? I can't I can't I don't want to try again Because I know I can't But I just can't do it Dude That has to be a clue

I mean I feel bad for the people I just listening to this That wasn't a funny thing I've ever seen Oh You just look like that kid that is like some people use that, like, when he's just thinking and his brain's about the explode or he's like, you just couldn't figure it out. I was fighting so hard to keep my mouth closed, and I just couldn't do it.

That's funny. We're not good winkers on this show, which, anyways, there's a long way to say we're going to have Zander Schauchley on the show, I think, without jinxing things. So we're going to get to the bottom of the wink gate, the wink situation in Melbourne, Australia. Big shout out to Owens, Arsenal Transfusion. get yourself involved. Please go to Owensmixers.com. You can use the code.

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So these guys, they work very hard, they're very dedicated, and they're behind everything we do. So shout out to Brendan and Jake. Okay. Brooks Kevka. Brooks Kevka yesterday, or I guess a couple nights ago on Jenna Sims' Instagram story, just did a Q&A for like two hours straight of him playing nine holes of golf, which, by the way, I think he was, he said he was seven under through eight holes of golf. And then I don't know what happened on the ninth hole golf. which is, I mean, the Masters is coming up, and that guy's won four majors in the last two years,

and he's out there shooting scores like that. It was pretty preposterous how well he was playing. But Jeda Sims, Brooks Kepka, we never really see a PGA tour professional, especially someone of Brooks Kepka's caliber, in a situation like this. It actually kind of reminded me of something that like we do, where you're just kind of shooting the shit with somebody asking,

whatever the hell you want to ask, and they're giving very candid answers, some like sarcastic, chirpy. It was a must watch, the point where I was just refreshing Instagram stories as fast as I possibly could for her to post a new one. It was that good and interesting,

and there was some insight in there. But, you know, we've gone back and forth on Brooks a lot. We've gone back and forth on Brooks versus Bryson, Brooks trolling people. He, I thought, came off incredibly likable in this whole little style. Yeah, I don't think he could, if he could have come off better. Sorry, Trent.

I don't know if you were going to go, but yeah, the girlfriend portrayed him to be just this lovable guy. And like in her eyes, obviously, you know, I think they're in love. I'm not in privy to the relationship. I think the things are working well, you know. You're writing checks that Brooks Kepka is going to have to cash, my man. What is that? You're writing checks that Brooks Kepka is going to have to cash. You know, they're in love, but you don't know that.

Well, I don't, you know, so that's why I backed off. and I apologize for that, but yeah, he did come off incredibly likable. He was giving just like, I don't know, the perfect answer to each question, it seemed. And it, you know, it seemed like a guy you wanted to be around. The scene was perfect. They were just going down the car. She was being awesome. He was playing golf, just having fun back and forth.

And you're right. It was like, I can't wait for the next question. I can't wait for his next answer because the answers were almost better than the questions themselves. It did reaffirm that he is. is when he trolls, he really doesn't care. Like when he is saying, when he's trolling Bryson or anyone for that matter, you know behind the camera or behind the tweets or behind the comments, he's just laughing.

He's like, I'm Brooks Kepka. I have four majors now. Like I, and my life is so great that I'm not taking any of this too seriously. So for the people that do, the joke is really on them all the time. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck about anything. And to the point, to the degree where they were, I mean, one of the questions he answered, someone asked, how are you guys teeth both so white? And they were both like, oh, they're fake.

It was like, they just didn't, they literally didn't care. They were just telling the world and answering questions. He even brought up one of the questions, you know, was about Bryson DeShambo. And then he was just, she pointed the phone at Brooks. And he's like, yeah, no, we get to choose which questions. And I'm choosing not to answer those questions. Where it's like, he's just, he was just being honest. It was also a mix of very interesting and insightful about God.

He said he doesn't, he never listens to music. because one of the senses, like hearing, you need to hear the contact, the golf ball traveling, how it flies. You need to be able to hear that, and that gives him feedback on how things are going or whatever. And so he doesn't listen to music. I found that fascinating. I was like, oh, shit. Because I would assume Brooks Cup is the kind of guy that's got music blaring. He's got headphones on.

He's, you know, a cool guy. Talk about listening to rap. So I thought that was actually very insightful. I think the big winner in the whole Q&A might be Gary Woodland, because they asked them who were the best athletes on tour, and he said, Tony Fee now, Dustin Johnson, and Gary Woodland, which we've interviewed Gary Woodland, obviously, we're friendly with him, and he did play, he's pretty good at basketball.

I remember him talking about that on our show, but I did not expect to see Gary Woodland's name up there with guys like Tony Fee now and Dustin Johnson. He just doesn't have the aesthetic look of an athlete that the other guys have. You know what I mean? That's also such a Brooks kept answer, because he is the ultimate, I'm the cool guy at the table, and these are my hip, like,

these are my really cool football playing friends. He's never going to pick a Justin Thomas or like a Tommy Fleetwood, like the nerdy golfers, the guys who grew up in the country clubs. He's picking like Gary Woodland walking in with the U.S. Open trophy at his hip, and he's picking Tony Fina, who's the coolest motherfucker on fucking tour. And he's picking Dustin Johnson,

who's the ultimate, like, I'm a jock, bro. I get out of here. Like, he didn't pick one guy. Every single guy he picked was stereotypically a Brooks kept a guy. Well, not I think it's like athletes. I don't really, I just don't. I think you got an axe to grind here and you're grinding. Don't have an axe to grind.

Wait a minute. It's not an ax to grind. Like, the guys he picked are other, you think of them as athletes and golfers. Like, you don't like, like, like. That was the question. That's the question. The question, you were the best athletes on tour. I do not pick Bryce and Cambao.

Okay, that would have gone away. No, but he's not going to touch Bryson. That's like, he's not going to be. Okay, so if he's doing it based off what he likes and what he doesn't like, I'm saying, he stereotypically picked. Like, when I think of Bryce, of Brooks Kepka's friends, he picked all four of the guys that I would have picked. You said Justin Thomas and Tommy Fleetwood.

Those guys aren't athletes. I mean, they are, but they're not, like, they are, they're not the athletes when you think Justin Thomas is more of an athlete than Gary Woodland? No, like, very women played fucking, like, college basketball. He didn't play basketball? Didn't he or close to him? I don't know where. Or did Kirk Heinrich or something?

Like, he's a really good athlete, like a very good athlete outside of just golf. To me, I think you guys aren't, like, seeing what I'm saying. I mean, it's crazy to me that you wouldn't think that he picked guys in his inner circle in that. I would say, no, but I think if you asked anybody, not Brooks Kepkev, If you said who do you think the athletes in golf are, I think Dustin Johnson and Tony Fee now are absolutely in those answers. Yeah. I've heard Gary Woodland get mentioned in terms of athleticism by guys many times before because of the basketball. Like he fell into golf a little bit where that wasn't his prime sport and then got into that.

Like you got to be a pretty fucking good athlete to be playing basketball at a very high level. So I don't think like that answer didn't jump out to me as crazy. He's clearly just picking his friends. Like I don't consider, I don't look at Tony Fee now as. Brooks Kepka's inner circle. I feel bad about saying Justin Thomas isn't an athlete. Right. It's hard to say anybody on the PGA tour isn't a good athlete.

So I was about to say something and I just came way back off it because you just get the guilty and saying some guy isn't a good athlete. I'd love to back that truck up. I want to back that Justin. I was saying in comparison to guys like Fianow and DJ, but Justin Thomas is clearly an incredible athlete, but not in the way that it looks like it would translate to another sport like DJ and Fianow did. That's what I was saying.

Right. How does DJ like translate to another sport? He's just Paul and Lanky. Yeah, and there's that story of DJ like when he was an up-and-comberner and an amateur, I think he was in Newport and staying with another family or somebody who was hosting him. And he was just hucking down dunks before there was like a basketball court like nearby. And he was just hucking down dunks like in front of other amateurs and stuff like that. That was pretty athletic to me, Lurch.

Yeah. I think he's a stud athlete. It just goes back to... I was going to say, Jake sent us a thing here. But before Woodland turned to golf, he was a collegiate basketball player. Woodland attended Washburn University on a basketball scholarship. But after his freshman year, he left to become a Jayhawk and attend the University of Kansas on a golf scholarship.

So yeah, he's that fight. I'm not saying he's not. I'm just saying when it comes from Brooks Kepka, it's like clear. Like those weren't like stunning questions to me, like answers to me when it comes from him. Like, I don't know. Nothing was like a surprise. prize. It was like those are his guy. Gary Woodland, I could see Dustin Johnson. It's like to me, it's all the guys who sit at like the cool guy table. And like he's obviously going to be like,

who are the best athletes on tour. The fact they wouldn't mention Bryson and just goes to his bias towards him. That's just my point. I don't think Bryson though is like a phenomenal athlete. I don't either. I don't know like he's the most agile guy in the room. I don't know if he can like do a lot of other sports as naturally as DJ or Gary Woodland can. I think, obviously he's, He's a tremendous athlete, but I don't think like he could just pick up something else and do it as well as those guys. So I don't think the answer is like crazy. I do think it's more of his group. But to say Bryson, just because he's like big and strong, doesn't mean that he's this monumentally better athlete than anybody else.

He swings a golf club like 200 miles an hour. So it's like he's doing the most athletic shit on tour to me. And I don't know how you can't put him in an athletic group of guys. Like the most athletic guys, he's not in the top five. that's crazy to me to not put him in. He's literally swinging harder and further than any other person. And to just go off, I mean, if we're going off like his body size and you're basically doing that for Dustin Johnson and Tony Fee now, no?

Like they're tall. I'm not. I mean, like, but like think about it quickly just like. I never seen Dustin Johnson throw a football. Like. It's all from our side. I've never seen Dyson throw football. Great.

So it's like, how do you compare? I'm picking what I see. He also, he's giving you the information. Like he's been, he knows them better than you do. So he just answered the question based on knowing these people better than you did. I just made an observation that it was the guy sitting at his high school table. I didn't want to spark any, like I didn't want to make you physically or mentally upset. I know.

I know. Like if you're at a high school gym and you just got a gym class, he's going and smacking those guys on the ass after and he's not going over to fucking Justin Thomas and Zander Schaughtley. And those guys could be more athletic. You just don't know the, like we don't know. And I'm saying it's, like, funny that he picked Dustin Johnson and Gary Woodland. To me, those are, like, his fucking, like, dumb bros that, like, they all just, like, think about lifting weights and fucking playing sports. But the phenos is where you're wrong, then?

Feno is where, like, where does Feno? He threw a wrench in for me, because I don't know how they're, like, I don't see them being, like. Didn't he only say, like, three guys? Yeah, that was those three. Yeah. Yeah. A third of them, like, weren't, like, are a wrench for your, I don't.

All right, Rick D. All right. I'm going to toss this one with Rigsie. Rigsie wins this one. Can we get a little ding in here? Can we get a ding? Because Riggs is going to get mad and the connection is getting bad now. We're not allowed to disagree.

We're talking about on the podcast. I think you just got mad, Brigh. Right. I disagree. But I made my point and it seems like it's, like, we're diving into, like,

how it could possibly be wrong. I'm just saying I find it funny that he picks his friends for the most athletic people on tour. That's all I'm saying. But then you kind of hurt yourself when you said to Tony Feast. because like only two-thirds of it adds up. So it was a little bit of the Frankie like keep digging, keep talking,

and then it fouls your point. I'm not trying to keep digging and keep talking. I'm just trying to say that him not mentioning Bryson, I'm bringing it all back to his bias on it. I thought it was a biased answer. And you guys aren't letting me have that. So I'm just going to let chalk it up to you guys winning this one. No, but I agree.

I like agree with some of what you're saying. I think boiling it down to Bryson, I guess, yeah. I mean, like he is doing some of the most athletic stuff on tour by his swing speed. but then my only counter arguments of that would be like a long drive contestant that just smacks it like 20,000 miles and swings out of his shoes. Like is he a more athletic person than like Maddie Fitz? I have no idea. And I think we're both kind of, we're both kind of right in the aspect of, yes, he is picking his friends who are jocks, but I think he gravitates towards those people anyway because he wants, he wishes golf was more like baseball and more like basketball where he could hang out with his jock friends.

and he has picked out the more athletic and the more jock-like people, and that just happens to coincide with what he wants to do. I think they're the same thing almost. He's making friends with the most athletic people because he likes those people. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to ask Zander Shavley, you know, who he thinks to the most athletic people on tour. Jake just sent that.

I think that's a very good point, and we'll see if that settles anything. Speaking of Bryce and DeShambo, do you see this video of him? I want to. He probably watched the Instagram video, so I'll say it's by 30 outside. It is okay. Did you see this Instagram or this video of Bryson Nishambo swinging as hard as I've ever seen someone swing at something? Yes. That was a long drive situation.

That's what they do with the long drive contest. You and I, Riggs and I've been there. And they, and they, he swung as hard as he could. And then he let out what can only be described as a primal roar as the ball was in. the air and it's we're just living in that world with bryson now he is a maniac mania if he does that scream at augusta i don't know how they're going to handle that i honestly don't on the first tee if he hits that golf ball and screams at the top of his lungs i don't know how that guy standing behind him who like announces everyone so eloquently and so like augusta nationally if this guy

comes up like a fucking maniac monster and screams in his face i think they shut the tournament down I picture security trying to get on him. It's like King Kong walking. He's just flapped hitting people off. I'm like, no. It's happy Gilmore, they're running after him with the jacket. So I would love if they just kicked him off the property as soon as he did that, but I think it would be hysterical.

But I listened to that video a couple times. I don't know if you guys did too. He like, you know, he was pumping himself up in the beginning, but he said like 208 yards or maybe he was saying 208 miles per hour and swings Did you pump up the volume by any chance on that video and try to hear what Bryson was saying early on in the video? I did not. Okay. I was listening to it a few times and I tried to like crank up the volume to see like what his pre-primal roar thoughts were.

And I heard the number two away. Maybe it was about swing speed. I don't know what it was. But I was wondering if you guys heard that because I mean his laugh at laugh on me, he literally is getting so fired up with this one swing. He's obviously got a gallery because anything Bryson does now is must watch. And he just swings out of his shoes and walks like, you know, northwest off the tee box and just going crazy. And you're like, that's a golf.

If you, and like, if you close your eyes and think like 20 years ago what a golfer is and then what bad is today, it's just monumentally. If you had someone close their eyes and you play that for him and you say, what sport is this? They would say weightlifting. They would say, like, you know, the guy's deadlift things? That's what it sounds like Bryce is doing, but no, he's swinging a golf club. Yes.

Yeah. The shot put almost, you know, like the circle and then goes out to, like, the left after he gives this. It's very funny to contrast, you know, the talk of golf being elegant, it's artistry, it's a touch of class. You show some of those swings from the 30s and 40s, and there are these fluid. beautiful tempo and it just matches the times like those swings are only supposed to be captured in black and white and then you put them against the backdrop of augusta national and it's just this beautiful historic traditional thing that we all love and then you have this giant meathead swing harder than you can then then you hear someone scream when they're lifting weights dead lifting

whatever the hell it is and hitting the ball long and straight and dominating the golf course in a way that it's not supposed to be designed, taking lines that the architect that, but Bobby Jones had come out of his fucking grave, he's rolling, that you could take that line over some of these trees. It is laugh out loud and funny, and it will not stand forever. Like, Bryson is expediting the distance process and debate more so than anybody ever could have. I think he's actually probably going to be the best thing that ever happened for people that are,

you know, traditionalists that are the big geeks in golf who complain of a, out distance, the ball goes too far, they got to do something about it. He's going to be the best thing that ever happened to them because now, I mean, everyone, the war room, everybody's mobilizing. Holy shit, how are we going to stop this giant psychopath from coming and embarrassing Augusta National? And every time we get evidence of that, it continues to build and build. And here we have Augusta putting out videos of them unlocking the gate to Magnolia Lane.

And like, somebody needs to just Photoshop the fucking Hulk come crashing through that gate on their beautiful little video that put it. Because, again, the contrast is so good. That's how that man, who is the most recent major champion, is preparing for Augusta. And here they are fucking painting the goddamn Magnolia Lane. La-da-da-da-da. And then Bryce is running through.

And the way that Zach Johnson said that, he infamously said that they had lost control the golf course at Chinatok, golf has lost control of Bryson D. Shambo. He is just a maniac bearing down on Augusta, Georgia. And it legitimately cannot come soon enough. Right. If he has a good driving week that week, it is going to make everybody's headspick. Like they just finished the distance report before Bryson became truly the incredible home.

They released that. There was so much work put into that. Then to like Riggs's point, like he's just expedited like the next distance report that is mandatory that comes out. And if he puts on a driving display, which he is clearly possible of at Augusta, I mean, it is going to make people's headspin in terms of what golf needs to look like. And to your point earlier, there was, Golf Channel had some great content on last night. I was watching this thing about Bobby Jones at East Lake growing up there. And then the next thing was about this Muni course in Asheville, North Carolina. That's like the oldest munich course in the country. And I was just thinking about the old footage that they shot around that course

and how people swung and it was elegant and like they were, you know, quote unquote shot shapers. And like actually the ball might roll to the hole. Now it's just hit as much of the golf shot over trees. you possibly can land it close and it will just stick right there and then we'll just make a putt from there and it just it is a different game but uh yeah bryson if he puts on the driving show that like everybody's kind of anticipating and i would say hoping for in many cases um it is going to make people's head spin here it's literally like hit it as far as humanly possible then we're just going to stop it on a dime they're going to read our little book that tells us the exact break on the green

and we're just going to roll it like a machine on that break into the golf hole. And we're going to do that over and over again until we beat everyone. What? He told us he's got areas around the green and he does it all on sprinkler head based on break and how it's going to work. So basically he just does like the GPS, like what the iPhone does in terms of like, all right, he like geolocates himself once he's on the green, becomes, continues to be the robot. Okay, and between these sprinkler heads, like I draw the hypotenuse and like I'm here. So this put should break from this exact spot, like two and a half inches.

And he just does that for 72 holes. And like that, and then that's his tournament. My sense of this, though, is it can't last because it feels like we're at full RPM all the time. It feels like we're redlining. Like the things going crazy because he's just pushing it to the max all the time to the point where I don't feel like this can last much longer. Like, well, maybe on Sunday at Augusta, when he puts on the green jacket, he just falls the part. Like his knees break, his legs break. Like, we can't be at this much RPM for this long, it feels like, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. Injury is the one that like stops this RPM.

Like from like history, it's usually like an injury and hopefully that doesn't happen. But usually that's the case of what stops. And I just, yeah, I don't know where it's going to go and where it's going to stop. I can't wait for what's next. And I mean, we'll have a new show on Tuesday. We're going to have two or three Bryson things to talk about by Tuesday. Like, who knows? He's going to, who knows what he could post between now and Tuesday? It's, like, it's every week, every other day. He's posting, I mean, the screenshots of him hitting it, carrying it 400 yards.

Then he's swinging like an absolute psychopath. The guy never stops. And you're right, Trent. Like, at some point, you think he's got to burn out. I hope it's not before Augusta National because this is, this is the best storyline for me in all of sports is Bryson DeShambo descending a point. on Augusta National with all the other stuff going on, the Tigers are defending champion.

There's a lot of other guys. DJ had his run where he dominated everybody. So all of that, who's one of the best athletes on tour, by the way, all of that coming up is incredibly exciting. I'm very pumped for it. And we're going to get to talk very soon to Xander Schaulay,

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Next up, we got a guest that we never had before first time. Again, he's a top 10 player in the world. We have a little bit of history with him. We got some fun questions to ask him. So here is Xander Schaul. All right, folks, we're joined by a very special guest, one of the best players in the world. Currently seventh ranked player in the world.

Been playing very, very good golf for the last several years. He's joined as Zander Schauchley. And you're here today with your father, Stefan, which I don't think we've ever had a father's son duo on the pot and for, I think it's the first. All right. Thanks for having us. Honored.

We appreciate it. We, you know, I see your dad around tournaments quite a bit. What's your guys, you know, relationship with golf? Like, what's the, is it coach advisor? Is he just there enjoying it? What's that relationship like? You go, Xander. You know, I'm starting to think he's just enjoying it as of late.

You know, he's been pulling out a lot of linen these days. he's kind of rocking the all-linen outfit. He has like eight linen shirts that are white and like six linen pairs of pants that are black. He just wears the same thing every day. There's a story behind that, though. I have to. So when was it? At the Players' Championship, just before COVID shut down,

I'm standing in a corner with, you know, we have some golf coach talk. All these guys with logos that are very, very important to the players' teams. and it was, Keith Cowan from England, it was Boyd-Summer Hays and a couple others, but the significant thing was that everybody was dressed head to toe in black.

And I said, like, I can do a lot better than that. I don't want to fall into that stereotype. And I decided, you know what, I'm going to go linen. And so then I went linen

with hat on top of his. He's got the Panama hat. He literally looks like he's just hanging out from the turkine, and Kekos coming straight to the tournament every week. Plus the cigar, obviously. You know, the cigar has to come along and now it's stuck. It's good luck.

I'm making statements with the looks. Like I always end up making a statement with my outfits. Sometimes backfires for me, but for you, I think it's working 100%. Well, it also covers, it covers my, you know, now shrinking belly. So, you know, it also works in that way. And I don't need to tuck my shirt in. That's also really nice. I'm out otherwise to tell you to.

Perfect. So, you know, I get into it, like, even with my dad, with lectures about God knows what, life or finance or everything. With you guys, you know, Xander, like, how much, is there any bickering? Is there, is he, like, come over to you? And he's like, hey, with your, you know, with your takeaway here, kind of like, what is that, how does that work? Yes.

We do still very much so fall in line with the father's son hanging out at a golf course. I can't take advice very well category. It's week to week, you know, when everything's great, everything's great. You'll see him with his Panama hat sleeping on a hill, smoking a cigar. When they're not so great, he will still be wearing his Panama hat, but we'll be yelling at each other on the range. So it's, you know, it's still a very lively relationship that we carry. But, you know, the whole rule is on green grass.

I'm supposedly the boss. That's kind of where the respect line's drawn when we leave. Well, yeah, I mean, I kind of, I'm not a very good boss. I feel like I would probably get, you know, demoted or kicked it out of a company for treating my employees so poorly. But he, my dad, he's a good big punching bag. He takes a lot of hits and he's always there for me. So it's nice to have, you know, Panama Jack out there. Yeah, I'm lucky.

Sunday's only, he's not six, five. I'm very fortunate in that respect. We were actually, we were debating earlier the best athletes on tour. Who do you think, you know, if you had to name three or four guys out there, they're the best best athletes on tour, who comes to mind? From what I've seen, I think, you know, Dustin comes in mind. Gary Woodland, for sure, you can hoop. I'm trying to think.

I mean, you'd assume Brooks, just based on, you know, size. I haven't really seen him play anything other than golf. You know, I've seen Dustin, you know, videos of him, you know, jumping around and dunking a ball. I've seen Gary's shoot. So those are sort of, we had a, you know, a sports contest. Those are my two votes to throw into the ring of fire. Tony P now up there?

Oh, no, yeah, yeah, no, thank you. I've seen Tony as well. I've seen Tony's shoot as well and run around. So those would be my three picks based on what I've seen. That couldn't have done. Prior to this time, prior to having to have any of course. Yeah. prior to having you guys on we just had a debate and we were watching brooks went like live on

instagram yesterday and he was like driving around his golf cart and he's answering all his questions and he answered like we have like a we have back and force on here we have takes on people we have something and sometimes i'll be like oh brooks just like is the cool guy in the high school table he has all his jock friends sitting at the table so i said like obviously he said he said Dustin johnson and he said and carry woodland and like it's all the guys that remind you of Brooks. I'm like, there has to be other athletes. And then we said, let's ask S. And if he says the same exact people that

Brooks name, that you just are the worst person ever and I just lose now. Like, I look like the biggest idiot of all time, as per usual. I was going to say, I'm assuming this not the first time, Frankie. I'm sorry to say it. Really not. I mean, it's becoming way too of a common of occurrence. Actually, you couldn't have named them in like

perfect order for them. It was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah, you answered that well. You just answered that. Sounds like there was a wager on the table here too. Just pride. We just wager pride all the time. So the one time we really spent a little bit of time with you was in Melbourne last year

at the President's Cup. And we talk a lot about the interaction because we knew we were getting ready to do this little bit, a buffet of bits or were you hit and left-handed. And right before that, you came by and you recognized us and you gave us a way. wink. Do you remember like winking at us? I usually don't wink at dudes, but I mean, that's why we brought it up. We were like, you're a pretty good looking man. I don't know if you've ever heard that before,

but he's, he's never heard that before. Oh, I don't know. Maybe you're, maybe we can get your mom on here and she'd agree with me, but that's about it. Oh, this is fun. It was a very pronounced wink. The reason we brought it up because it was like, it wasn't just like a quick like, oh, what's up guys?

It was sort of that you looked at us and you winked and you kept it. You kept it closed and looked at us. So we had to bring it up to see if you remember. It was an Australian bug. For sure. Something in my eye. Yeah. Well,

what I think really resonated with us with the wink is like, you know, we had met some other guys before. We talked to JT a little bit. We know that you're all in the same circle. And like you always have, and maybe you do this on purpose and maybe this has always been your style. It's like this very calm, cool, collected. Like, just go with the flow. He's almost like a silent assassin type of guy. So when we were about to meet you in Australia, we were like, oh, man, this guy is

freaking cool. Like, that's a cool guy wing. Like, that's very, nothing's battling him. You guys are just hitting balls into some sort of water island thing in Melbourne and like a tiger woods. And like, this guy just couldn't, you're floating into that little, that little driver range thing that we had set up. So, like, that was, I think it's more about like the perception of you.

Have you always been very, like, reserved? and calm and cool like that. Dude, I play golf for a living. I don't know if that's really cool or not, but... It is. It wasn't cool in high school. It wasn't going to college. It's really...

Golf has never been cool. Like you said, there's other jock sports that are out there. Golf, I mean, basically, as I look at it, golf is just, you know, we got a traveling circus out there. You got all the other sports get the attention. And you got a bunch of golfers who, you know, I wouldn't say I wasn't cool in high school. wasn't cool in college. Now I play pro golf. You know, I made a bunch of money and now here

we are on a podcast. This is kind of the progression of events. DJ Dura is a comedy show. Here's a whole bunch of stand-up comedians. Depends on how you look at it. I don't, you know, I don't really know if my cool factor has gone up at all. But I just, you know, I'm a San Diego kid. You know, I think it's just a SoCal thing. You know, we just, we don't really react to certain things. everyone's really calm over here. We got the beach.

Everyone's super, like, chilled out. So it might be that. But for the most part, you know, I was never one to, you know, throw out my shoulder, fist pumping after making a par putt or birdie putt in junior golf. I used to laugh at those kids. So I don't, I don't really know how to answer that. I just, I am who I am.

And I'm definitely not a guy who wings out of other guys, though. I can tell you that. That's why it was so jarring. Do you get, do you get, do you get, Like you strike you come off like you're never nervous. Yes, I get nervous. How do you handle? Like do you do anything different?

This podcast is probably the most nervous I've been in a really long time. But, you know, I think everyone gets nervous. I internalize it. I kind of revert back to old feelings that I've had in that situation. But for the most part, you know, I enjoy sort of those moments of pressure. And I try and embrace them, you know, recently. I haven't been super successful in those moments. And I just keep looking forward to the next time where I can kind of pull something off.

So, Masters is coming up. Last year, finished tied for second. You're right there. We're talking about nerves. I mean, when you find out, you know, Molinaris in the water, guys are taking a couple steps backwards. All of a sudden, the tournament's up for grabs. What was your nerve level like at that?

It was terrible. I was like a 12-year-old kid. I just spoke about this on a different interview. I was on the 13th T and I was really sitting there looking down the fairway and I was like, I'm leaving the master's on a Sunday, baby. Hit the worst drive of the day. I shifted straight right in the trees and I was like, shit, this is not it. So in terms of, you know, learning from an experience, I'll definitely learn from that one

and try to make sure I don't copy that moment in time. But it was a very childish moment of mine and I'm glad I got it out of the way last year. that's so not relatable because we would never be there, but it's such a human, right? Because we're thinking, like, does this guy know he's leading the master's? And then you're like, oh, my, holy shit, I'm leading the master. Basically. So.

Yeah, literally. Yeah. So going into this year's tournament, you know, I maybe told a handful of people, like, yeah, we're going to have Zander on the show. I think every single one of them was like, oh, he's one of my picks to win at Augustus. So going into the tournament, you know, how do you feel? Do you feel as confident as people seem to feel about you? Yeah.

You know, I have heard people have shot it out, you know. Even last week in L.A., you know, people weren't really allowed to come out on the course, but they're yelling from their, you know, mansions and freaking wherever we were in Calabas is saying, I got you for the masters. You know what I mean? I'm like, sweet. Me too. Got me too.

He's my pick. Yeah. So, you know, I don't really draw any. confidence from, you know, being everyone's pick. I just think that I've been playing really good golf. I have played well there. It'll be different with no fans. Maybe that'll help me in terms of nerves. Like last year, you know, I was coming down the stretch and, you know, there's so many people everywhere. A tagger was kind of chasing. You could hear the roars coming through the trees, which is sort of what I grew up watching, what we all grew up watching on TV, you know what I mean,

Augusta Sunday. You know, you're in the hunt three groups away. Like everyone's cheering, it's going crazy. So maybe it'll be easier with no fans this year, but I think the patrons will definitely be missed. You are going into a tournament with like not expecting to win it, right? Like wouldn't it be kind of like constantly always thinking you can win every single time you step up to the day? Yeah, I mean, you think that. You know what I mean? It's sort of like, you know, Frankie, when you think you're going to like strike a chip perfectly and you don't, it's sort of the same type of thing.

You know, you just think the best case scenario and sometimes it doesn't pan out. Yeah, when you hit on a chick, you also always think you're going to just going to say, how often does that pan out? Zander, Zander came ready for Frankie and that makes me. Yeah. Early hammer. Rick sent me a separate briefing in the email of ammo, so. Never going to think that I actually did that.

Reason why is because we thought about sending you the Brooks athlete question. We were going to send you the answers to say. So that's already, and Frankie said that. that's going on. The only thing I was sent was that Riggs lost to a 12-year-old not too long ago, so I don't really know. What you think about that? Let's talk about that a little bit. I wouldn't beat anybody on this show except for one guy. You thought you were going to beat him. You went in thinking he was he's 12 years old. Here was like what what was going on there? Did you feel weird challenging a 12-year-old or what was the situation?

Were you nervous? Were you nervous? Very nervous. What happened to this interview, right? He challenged me. Let's get that straight. And you accept it. Oh, my. I had to accept. And I went in with this plan that I was mentally and like verbally going to dominate this 12-year-old kid. I was going to talk a shit to him.

I was going to be mean and he was going to get flustered and not be able to play as well as he usually plays. Well, he was a 12-year-old kid. was so nice and he's 12. So actually, my plan was thwarted right away. And his dad, actually, Mike, works for Highland, which you've got behind you right there, which is your bag sponsor. That's an amazing segue into you can tell us a little bit about Island

and your bag sponsor, which Mike Myers, who's 12 real feet's dad, works for the company. Yeah. So, I mean, Highland is a very, to me, a unique company because they approached, it's rare for me to do any sort of, you know, Zoom call. I'm ready to do a Zoom call for one, obviously, because of COVID, but to have my dad here with me as well is another thing. Yeah, I see you.

You know, the camera's on your old. He doesn't know the camera's on a recording. Of course I know. So they approached both of us. You know, I was sitting there thinking, man, I'm finally becoming my own man. I'm going to do my own thing. And then a sponsor approaches me saying, we want you and your dad to do stuff. And I was like, I got to do more stuff with this guy. So that was sort of the start of it. but, you know, they talk a lot about an ex-factor. And initially, my agent brought to me and I was like, X-Factor, is this kind of like a playing on words with my name?

And it ended up being sort of, they, to them, they feel like they're the X-Factor in a lot of businesses and services they provide for their client's health. And so they looked at my father and I, and my dad is my ex-factor. You know, it's interesting that he's doing an interview with me right now, but this is really not his forte. You know, usually what he's good at is on green grass

and, you know, wearing the, linen and all that other good stuff. But, you know, there was a lot of... It never ends. From sponsorship to relationship, there was a lot of parallels that ran with my back sponsor here, Highland, as well as my father and I grown up. It's cool because we, you know, we all play golf with our dads, talk about golf with our dads.

The fact that you guys are that close, except you're just doing it as, you know, a guy who's many people's favorite to win the fucking masters. It's so cool. It's just like because we, you know, golf, like we always talk about, one of the big things we talk about at Barso was like, what are the top five beers in the world? People would be like a shower beer, like an airport beer. And we always said, like any beer with your dad is like the coolest beer that you could have. And that's similar with golf is that sharing that experience. So you guys being able to share that at the top of the game, it is just very, very cool.

He's one downer, though. He never plays golf with me. Ever, ever, ever. He said, I don't play with geysers. No, we leave. He just, you know, he's old school type. He won't play for anything. You know what I mean?

And he's also got, I don't know if you boys have anyone on your crew that kind of has mouse ears, but you talk, you talk for a second while he's hitting, and he'll just step off and stare at you. Come on, man. You had to bring me. this up. I did not go low here. Let's just not forget tonight at dinner.

Great show to just air your public grievances between the two of you. Just kind of throw them out on the table and see what sticks. Yeah. By the way, Riggs, that was a masterful dodge of the 12-year-old question, by the last. Yeah, it was. You really. Deflect. You really did a nice little swim move over that one. I didn't think you guys were to come back to that, to be honest with. I look he played better golf that I did he just he was too would piss me off is when I finally he played like shit on the front nine but I played worse and then in the back when I actually

played golf he started making birdies and shit his little 12 real like it was also we are our guy producer Brendan was there there ended up being like 50 people following from his home club and I hit a decent shot it would be dead silent and then the little pole drill would hit a good shot Everybody's going crazy. Heavy favorites. Just, you know, you can rescue yourself into a position where you say the 12-year-old career did, you know. You could say that at 12, at age 12, a career. Look, nobody's rooting harder for 12-year-old beat to have the best golf career of all time.

Yeah, don't play when he's 13. How good were you when you were 12? Not very good. Yes, he was. I was okay. I wasn't like a, I wasn't that good, man. I was like an average 12-year-old, you know what I mean? I would probably good enough to beat you, but, uh, he played real sports then.

He played soccer then. I could, I could, I could, I could shoot like 70. I think my lowest score when I was 12 was like 78 from the back T's, you know, it's not like, you know, I was, I was no, like, I was no phenom 69, you know what I mean? From the back to. You make a little, so less of, of our. would you say stuff like that like when when guys of your level like yeah I was 12 and I like was okay I shot 78 from the dude if I shot 78 from the back tees right now 27 years old I would I would be

doing naked backflips through New York City like I mean it's just that's that's not that's not pandemic safe I don't know why we pick the close up we could have just done backflips but it's just there's such another it's just such another level like you had to have known when you were 12 years old, even shooting 78, whatever, that you had a skill that other people didn't possess, correct? I mean, not when your dad told you that you weren't very good. So, it was, uh, I told, I told, in front of the camera, I think the last time I said it was probably a year ago when they asked me,

and I said, he still sucks. And he did. He still missed a couple of short game shots. Since then, he has vastly improved in that area. Oh, wow. Look at this. Well, we're on camera. See?

Yeah, I know. I'm back paddling. How's your golf game? Mine? Yeah. Stiff. What was it faced? To make it face against that?

He's starting to look like a, you know, he's starting to look like an old man golfing. Old. It is old. Because I still play from the back teeth and I'm looking really old on the back teeth. Just give it up. Go to the white T's, just move on for it. Not white.

I mean, not white. There's combo blue and white or something like that. You know, something that gives me a little bit of pride. He doesn't want to give it up. The Internet says I play old man golf. I'm on 33. They'd say I just, you know, I don't have any hip action. Well, you did lose against a 12-year-old, so that sounds kind of old.

And it was three and two. It really wasn't even that close. Damn. Yeah, he was. That damn hurt. Damn. Yeah, you could tell it was like a pause there. I wish I would have won the match.

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going to be a professional golfer? Dude, I didn't know whether I was going to be able to play pro golf until I got my PJ tour card. Like, I was in Q school. I went to Q school, my senior year of college, like, I'm ready to go. So if I don't, this was a plan. You know, my dad and I were like, go to Q school, your senior year. I'll put up the money for you.

If you don't succeed, you'll come back to school. Easy. I go to Q school. I fail. I missed second stage by like six shots. Had a meltdown. I was like, holy smokes. Like, I am not ready for this.

Then I go to Q school after I graduate. I'm crushing it. I'm crushing it. I got the, you know, tied first in first stage, tied first and second stage. I come in last, like, Tide 45th. Tide 45th gets you through web.com QSchool, and I finish Tide 45th. A guy missed. Stephen Fox. Thank you, Stephen Fox. Thank you, Stephen Fox. Yeah, I still owe him a lot because my caddy was sitting there with his range finder on the practice putting green,

staring at this guy because we knew there was only like nine people coming in, and I was in 46th place. Stephen Fox missed like a six foot put that let like nine of us in, and I just see my caddies. like fist pumping running around like a 10 year old on the practice screen because we got in on the number you know what I mean and then I go on to the web I go on the web dot com corn fairy now and I dude I made like 30 grand through my first you know two thirds of the season I'm sitting there like dude I'm not I'm not good at this I'm not good you know what I mean like I'm not either I'm not doing well or I'm not very good and then you know I had a lot of rough nights a lot of McDonald's some head banging with that yeah

I had, you know, Ogre and I had a lot of heated, heated phone calls. And then somehow we kind of, you know, winged it through the last, you know, month of Corn Ferry, got through, got my tour card. And then kind of same thing, PJ Tour, I was struggling kind of up until the U.S. Open, which was kind of the back end of my rookie year. So just a slow learner. But yeah, it honestly took a while for me to sort of believe that I'm decent at this game. That's crazy.

Like, do you ever now, I mean, is it? there ever any doubt or are you pretty much, I know Frankie asked earlier, like every tournament you go into, but it feels like your game is there all the time. So is it crazy to you to have that difference of, I can't even do this for a living too. Now, I mean, you pretty much believe you can beat anyone ever. Yeah, it is, it is, it's cool to sort of, in short time here. I mean, it's all getting comfortable is kind of weird in any environment. So for me to be out there and kind of get over the fact, you know, that I'm, my rookie year, I wasn't any of the big tournaments. So I had to kind of, you know, get through all that process. And my second year, I got into the

bigger tournament. So now I'm playing with, you know, the likes of all the top guys in our game. And so that was an adjustment period. And then my third year was sort of the first year where it was a repeat of me knowing the courses for my rookie year, as well as the courses that I played my second year. So my third year on tour honestly felt like the first year where I was sort of comfortable in the environment of kind of roaming around with the names of our game. and sort of being a guy who can kind of impact the sport. So it's kind of, it's strange to, you know, talk about it. It kind of just happens naturally, but it's not something I, you know,

I give a lot of thought, but it is cool, you know, when I do think about it now. Do you care about, like, other names? Like, if they're on the leaderboard, we're talking about the 2019 Masters, like, is the fact that Tiger Woods is up there or Dustin Johnson's up there or if Lori McElroy is up there, like, does that, does those names hit you in a different way at all, or do you just not care? You know, my dad tried to train me as part of the reason

Frankie referred to me as like a serial killer. I'd probably give a lot of credit. Silent assassin, dude. I didn't call you a serial killer. It's a slight difference. A slight difference. I mean, call what you want. Close enough.

A silent assassin has a positive connotation. Serial killer does not at all. They're kind of the same, though. No, but an assassin is certainly a serial killer, but a serial killing doesn't have to be an assassin. It kind of figured. Yeah. Yeah. There is a correlation.

But yeah, I give a lot of credit to my dad. Growing up, he always just sort of nothing was ever cool, like, not cool, but there was never anything that was, like, big. Like, there was nothing big enough or nothing was impressive. Not that he downplayed everything, but he just made me realize at a young age, like, it's not important. You know what I mean? Like, this is not, like, a name isn't anything. You know what I mean? It's all about, you know, putting it's kind of like that blue collar work,

putting your head down, getting your hands dirty, and kind of just grinding it out. So names and certain accessories and certain things were just never really that important to me. Second place, trophies flew in the trash can, and he's supposed to make his clubs talk and shut up, you know. Yeah. You guys love this. When I was younger, this whole kind of thing now, not to get on a place.

or whatnot, but sort of the idea of, you know, kids getting like eighth place trophies or ninth place trophies. You know, it's kind of a new thing in today's day and age. And it did start when I was playing, you know, I remember getting a sixth place trophy, like a medal for coming in sixth place place. And my dad was there and he goes, what the is this? He's like, what? Like, he looked at it. He goes, there's a green ribbon on a six place trophy. And he literally said it out loud in front of all the other parents. Like, are we just going to hand out 11th place trophies now? And all the parents were like looking at my dad, you know what I'm like, here we go, this is stated issue. So, you know, hopefully it was covered in winning too, I hope.

Yeah. When we got home, straight in the trash, you know, straight in the trash. And it just in front of all the people. That's not, yeah. He goes, this is not, this is not what competition is about. You don't, you know, you win. There's a second place, silver, and a bronze third. That's it.

That's how sports works. If you don't win, you don't get any credit. this is how it is. So from a very young age, I kind of grew up with that kind of chip in my shoulder thought process, and I think I kind of carry it now still. Well, that's smart on your dad's part,

because people like that to blame our generation for stuff like this, but we were like 12 years old, right? Like 10 years old. It's the parents that made the- All-girls are tough, right? But I've always had this argument with stuff like that, like, oh, your generation's so coddled. I'm like, well, who's the generation that's coddling this generation?

Like, I didn't buy that trophy and hand it out to the kid that finished in sixth place. You did. So your dad, like, amongst his peers, be like, no, this is bullshit. Like, we can't do this to our kids growing up. We need winners and losers. That's the way sports works. I love that. I commend you for that.

Because I've always... On the other hand, would they give out seven second place trophies? Sunday would have a heck of a lot more, you know? That's kind of sad. Boom. Look at him. Taking his shots. Yeah.

I love me. too. He says it and then laughs it himself, which I get a picture. A little bit of Frankie. Frankie chipped to people when he knows he can't get punched or hit and living in this virtual world. Like, you know, he just sends it across the web at you. He knows he can't fire it back. So, it's Frankie's MO. So, have you made any trips to Augusta? Nope.

No, sir. I really do like San Diego. So I'll spend my time preparing here and then I like I've always done. I think my dad would like to play Augusta at some point. So I'll openly say it now that, you know, I'll try. He doesn't ask, which is smart. Oh, winner. I will play when he's a member. And you know, the only way for him to become a member is... There you go.

By wing. Okay. I like your style. There he is. But, yeah, I've never taken him out to play. I've played one sort of pre-tournament practice round, if that's if that's this case just i went there in like november or whatever time it was like my rookie year or sophomore year and it was 42 degrees and it was like hailing hailing and i was like

my caddy and i are out there and he goes are we really going to play in this and we flew all the way out here to play this like we're freaking playing right now so it was the worst it was the worst practice round like the fairways were like this long like three to like a stint eight and it was dumping rain but i was like and i got done playing i was like the this was the dumbest thing I've ever done ever. But, so, you know, I'll just go during tournament time to get ready for tournament conditions. That's kind of how I think about it now.

Nice. Well, we're probably, man. Are you able to play just like casual golf with your buddies? Or do you need that competition and, like, preparing for tournaments now? Is it, are you able to just, like, kick back and just play around? Yeah, most of my golf is usually pretty casual. I mean, four or five ball. golf, definitely gambling.

It's hard for me to play without gambling. Yeah, it wouldn't be casual for me. My wallet is not that thick. Yeah, my dad, he works for free, so it's kind of nice. But yeah, I mean, I can still play. Like, I won't drink on the course. I can't really, golf is still such a, like, a business thing in my mind that I can't, like, go out there and have beers and kind of chill.

but I can definitely just like kind of kick back, play casual golf speed, have music playing and play with my buddies. That doesn't bother me at all. Well, look, we really appreciate you doing this. This was fun. You and your dad, you guys are a riot. We appreciate you bust on our balls because that pretty much, that means you get it in our world, in our sense. So as much as it was very rude of you to bring up 12-year-old people, I do appreciate it.

And good luck. Good luck at the masters. Good luck the rest of the way. I know, like I said, a lot of people are pulling for you. So good luck out there. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Absolutely.

Thanks, guys. All right, that was fantastic. A big thanks to Xander. A big thanks to his father. We're going to break down that a little bit for a few minutes. We're going to talk about what happened, some of the comments, what he remembered or didn't remember. First, a reminder that bridging the gap between sport and casual wear is important. We luckily have found a brand, a company,

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get yourself 50% up. Zander Shafley finally had him on the show. Lurch had to go. He's slinging software, drones, or whatever he's doing. So it's just three of us. Debrief for a second. A lot of shots were fired by Zander, which I actually kind of liked a lot, but I did not expect.

Yeah, he definitely knows the brand. He knows the inside jokes. I mean, he's part of that whole crew. I mean, he's 27 years old. So obviously, you see stuff on Twitter. He sees, I mean, when we do something big, especially at Barstool, it gets blown up all over social media. It's very hard to miss something that happens. Like if I'm like, if I do a ridiculous, like Trent's putt in Australia, I think he did a million views on Twitter.

It's impossible to not see that if you're plugged into social media. these guys are traveling the world. It really doesn't shock me anymore of the reach that Barstle has. It's like, I think it goes into, I mean, Dave was in the White House. So it's like, it doesn't matter, no matter where it goes,

it finds its way into every little crevice of the world. I'm no longer shocked about who watches our content. So to see him sit, it was like, oh, that's fucking, yeah, this dude's 27 years old. He's a regular dude sitting in his plane on his way to like a tournament, just probably scrolling through Twitter,

seeing Trent fucking Mosy and down Bethpage Black. Like, ah, where's my ball? It was cool to see him like know a little bit more than I thought, though. He knew some like pretty cool stuff in there. Yeah, he definitely did. And his answer, I mean, we, I would love to roast you about his answer on the athletes, but he roasted me, I don't know, 10 times about losing to a preteen in a golf match. So on some level, it's like Tushay Zander.

You just, and like I said at the end, I was like, we, I mean, we love that. The fact that you kind of know and you play ball with us and you give us, that what makes you a real person. That's probably what he's like with his. boys. It's clearly what he's like with his dad, who is a character. So his dad being there, giving him, giving him all kinds of shit, it was great. It was fun to talk to him. And he's, I mean, he's so cool, con and collected like you were saying, Frankie, that you don't know if that type of personality is in there or not. He's always just flatlined. Nothing phases him. He doesn't

fist pump. He actually said he makes fun of people that were fist pumping, like back in the day, and that's just not his style. So you don't know. As a viewer, you're like, is there anything going on in this guy's brain in terms of emotions as you care. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm leading the masters. And I said, oh, shit, I'm leading the masters. And then hit a horrible tee shot. So it's very cool to get to know somebody like that. Yeah, it was cool to get answers on his level of nervousness when he's on the golf course

because we've talked about many times where he's borderline of sleep out there, it seems. He's just sort of mosying around out there. He's playing great golf, but he's barely awake, we thought. But he's clearly gets nervous. He gets hyped up for the big moments. So it was good to get an inside look on a guy like Xander. because I don't think, you know, I haven't seen him do a ton of interviews. Like, I don't see him out there talking about his game and how he grew up playing

and the stuff of his dad. So it was really cool to get an inside look on sort of the origin story of Xander Schaulffitt. Is somebody typing right now because I can hear something. Yeah, I don't know. What was that? It's Trent's wire hitting his a hoodie. I'll go. I just figured that if we could get ahead of it, that would be fantastic. But you're right.

Yeah, fire hitting your hoodie. I'll just lean. I will say that we dodged a bullet because he was so also he has an infectious smile he's got like these eyes and laughs

at everything so like to me that's a very easy person to talk to I think that's more of that like Southern Cal SoCal like vibe where everything's like

cool and funny man and bra and like all that shit like I'm trying to think of like a fucking California um um

San Francisco man San Mardiano grow out like you know i mean like you got to take galbassius and all that shit so it was it was funny to hear when we asked um are you going to go play like if you played augusta he's like no i'm just going to figure it out in san diego because i've never been to san diego but everything i've heard about san diego it is heaven on earth and you never leave there unless you have to leave there yeah it takes like freeze perfectly every single day no matter what time you go there right i have

I think I've told the story before. One of my good friends of college from San Diego, and we would talk about it, and I'd never been there. And he said, put San Diego as one of your top five starred things on your weather app and just check it periodically. And I would check it throughout the year. Whenever we're having drinks, I'd check it. And it would be between like 67 and 73 and sunny for 10 days straight

every time I ever checked it. That's just places. It's ridiculous. Like, how can somewhere, it doesn't rain, it doesn't do anything. It's just sunny and perfect temperature all the time. So yeah, here's Andrew Shafley, who was a cool Cali Bra guy. He ain't going to Augusta where it's 40 degrees right now.

You kidding me? He'll be in Augusta when he needs to be in Augusta. We asked him about that wink. Thank God he is that cool comic-collected guy because it got a little awkward where he's like, because Trent posed it as a yes or a no, or maybe Rick's did it. Like a yes, do you remember that or do you not? And he's just like, no. Like, okay, now when we did out a little prep here, we didn't expect that to have.

happen. So now we got to figure out why you don't remember. I'm out. I'm sorry. I didn't. There's a lot of wink talk, but like, I think, I think we got to the bottom of it that he just doesn't remember it. And I think it was almost just instinct. He doesn't even know that he did it. He just was like, I don't know, he just gave us a, I got it. We saw it. We're not fucking, we're all on the same page. Totally. So I know. I know he winked. Whether he remembers or not, it happened. he clearly does not remember it but I know it happened it might have happened more than once even but I know it happened at least once I remember looking at trep and you're like this fucking guy just winked at us again because dude we were walking the golf course at the PGA at the um the president's

cup and he saw us on the course remember we were standing with um like the what's her name uh she's like oh my god how are we forgetting I don't remember this now now you're making me trying to We just met her in that little area of, remember we were talking to her and her camera guy, whatever. And we were talking about how, how do you not remember what I'm talking about? Oh, it's Alexander. Oh, what's her last name? O'Alofflin. O'Aflin.

O'Aflin. Yes. And we were standing right with her. We were talking about how we had just done the video with Zander and JT, like the day before. We were like, yeah, he's a really cool guy. And I remember him being like, oh, here comes Zander now. I wonder if he, like, remember this. And he winked at us on his way to the Kvok.

I was like, we just told you guys how he winked the other day, and he winked just now. And it was like such a perfect story because we told them. And then he did it. It was crazy. Something's up. So I know it's fine. We'll just, we know what happened. He doesn't remember it.

That's cool. The cool guy, though, it's not like I want to fucking take you up for drinks, wink. It's like a look at me. I'm fucking walking up to the teabops. I'm in the ropes here outside of the ropes. Exactly. That's the kind of winks it was. It was a good wink.

It was like good winks all around. We'll take them. again, like it didn't feel like he wanted to take us out to dinner based on the wink. It felt like he was saying, what's up kind of wing. I agree. Okay. That was fun. I'm glad we finally got to have Zander on the show.

I hope we get to have him on more often. I hope he wins a master's. And then he's like, oh, yeah, I'll come on because that was super fun and I had a great time. So he seems confident going into Augusta. I'm very confident. He should be. I mean, he's one of the best players in the world and playing great golf. So I think that that's all I have, gentlemen.

I know Frankie just put his hood up, which I think usually means that he's checked out. It's freezing in here. It's absolutely. E-Bugs in the same room as me. It's fucking freezing. It's like 81 degrees here, so I can't. It's got to be 55 degrees in this room. That's cold.

Yeah. They got the, they got the AC pumping in here. I don't know if that's part of the new air filtration systems and offices now, but I don't like the temperature in here. I'll say to that. That's too cold for a beep to be inside. It should be warmer than that. Okay, we're done. Thank you, everybody, for listening.

Thank you to Zander and his father, Stefan, for coming on. Tune in next Tuesday. We'll be back, as always, for Tuesday and Thursday of next week, which will be the week before Master's Week. We've got the Barstool Classic Championship coming up in about a week and a half at Pinehurst, maybe just a little under two weeks. So there's a lot going on, a lot to break down, and a lot to continue to get into. So tune in on Tuesday.

Have a great weekend. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit hard.