Fore Play - Yay or Nay, Netflix Golf, A Snippy Fella, and a Tribute

Episode Date: January 13, 2022

Netflix announces 22 golfers who will be a part of the new Netflix PGA TOUR series. We introduce a new segment: Yay or Nay. One host gets snippy. And a tribute to one of golf’s great journalists and insiders — Tim Rosaforte.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Fourplay, I'm sorry, bar, stool, sports. We are back, ooh, quick, I'm a quick pop out of the game. Hot start. We go from talking and, like, normal voice to all of a sudden it's like showtime. So sometimes I feel like I need to be one of those musicians that, like, hypes himself up there. I don't know if we can, that's a tough start to the show.

Like, I think we might need to just do a, you're a tough start to the show. Maybe not take it out. Maybe not take it out, but you got to restart because, I mean, that sounded like a four-year-old. You look like a four-year-old. I can- Yes, good. Get into it. Do you want me to restart it? Do you want me to reclap?

I can reclap. I can re-clap. Clap and let him say Barstle sports again like an adult. Four play. You're right, Barstool Sports. Yeah. I will say there was no way to know there if it could have just done the same thing and then we're in a little deja boo here.

But anyways, we're back. We have the entire squad. I'm doing Frankie Trent Lurch We got much to get to Including a few segments That I would like to get to I have a new one that I came up with

I was a little bit inspired by a very own Frankie Borelli A poet a Robert Frost of his generation I got a little yay or nay That I want to do where I got a handful of things That I think they're close to 50-50 I'm going to throw them at everybody And we see if that happens or doesn't happen

Throughout the year And then we just have kind of our general Bullshit to get to So welcome back to the show boys how are we how are we feeling um and just how are you how are you handling your little january because it's about 70 and sunny here the last four days since you guys left arizona it's been about 27 degrees and lower in new york city and i always look at the weather app and it you scroll down and it gives you the feels like which has always been a little bit confusing to me

because i don't know what the difference is between the standard temperature and what it feels like to me those are generally the same thing i would imagine i'm not a meteorologist or a weather expert it, but it feels like, according to the app outside, like nine degrees. And that's just, you're not, as many winters as I've been through, and Iowa has bad winters and New York has bad winters, you're just never quite ready for single digit temperatures. It hits you like a new thing every single year. So I've been walking, you know, to and from work, and it's just been, it's been tough. And, you know, there's no light at the end of the tunnel in terms of golf outside of going to a place

like five iron and hitting into a simulator, or Frankie, who's been. going to top golf or wherever he goes. So it's a tough time for sure. And it's, it's even tougher when he got a guy like you on the show, Riggs, who we just see you in beautiful weather all the time. So, you know,

that's a little update on what's going on, at least in my life. Yeah, this time of year, I mean, it's, especially because we do, I tell people this a lot,

but we do the, we're pretty much on East Coast time. So we're recording this at 8 a.m. My time. And, you know, we don't have Barstool Classic hasn't started up for a few months.

We don't really have any video shoots here for a few weeks or a few months. months. So by like 10 a.m. today, I'm just, I mean, I'm going to answer some stuff via email and a few calls, but I pretty much just going to go outside beautiful weather and fuck around for seven hours. It should be amazing. Yep. That's off the charts. That's just way better than what I'm about to do for the rest of the day. Roll this right into Axon to just selling drones, VR, the whole bit. But I agree with Trent, especially when you get a taste of it. Like, I was just out in Arizona shortly after you guys and you're like oh my god this is this is happening the same time that's

happening for us you can barely go outside right now be comfortable i mean you're you only have a little bit of time over here like all right i'm too cold i'm just going to do something else um so yeah you're you're never quite ready for it and then you're in the like the hunt of it and the winter and you're like justifying why it's okay and why you live here and really i just love to be a little bit warmer than I am. Yeah. This winter, I feel like I've done a really good job of, like, auto starting my car and waiting for cars to get warm and really, like, staying warm.

I haven't, I've yet to be cold yet this year. Oh. Yeah. You look cold right now. No, I, no, I just, like, don't really feel that great this morning. So, like, I don't know. Maybe something's coming over me, but, um, I, there's just something about this year where I haven't had that chill yet.

Nothing's hit my bone. where even, I don't know, even when I'm walking outside, for some reason I'm dressed correctly. I feel like past winters, it's usually caught me by surprise, and there's a couple weeks that go by where I'm not prepared with the right jacket or maybe gloves or a beanie. And this year I've been attacking it well. So I have not felt the wrath of this 19 degree weather at all this year,

and it's actually been quite nice. It's coming, though. I'm jealous. Yeah. I don't know if I've been full of prepared. I'm in the same bucket. Like, I don't feel that well. I'm a little bit.

I'm COVID conscious right now. Took a test yesterday or this morning was negative. But that thing's going around like hotcakes in this area. Yeah. Everybody has it. Dude, everybody has it everywhere. I feel like, it's just ridiculous. Every other person I text.

Like, oh, what are you up to tonight? Where are you doing next week? I got COVID. I'm out. I got COVID. I'm out. It's all over. I do think people have the Omicron version, which apparently, I mean,

fingers crossed. but apparently it's just most people are fine and not as sick as they were with the last, I feel like last year when people were getting it, a lot more folks were reporting it they were very sick, which obviously sucks. Yeah. Yeah.

I woke up this morning. I was supposed to come in to do an interview for the travel series with eBug, and I just throat, nose running, and I was like, I can't. So I took a test this morning. It was negative. And I think I'm going to come into the office

at like 6 or 7 p.m. tonight. Six or 7 p.m. I think... EBug's working late for me. Appreciate it. bugger. I think there's a good chance I I bolt out of the building once I'm done with this podcast just to be,

because it is. It's everywhere. It doesn't matter where you're at, what you're doing, especially on the East Coast. It just seems like it's coming for everybody again. It's just where, you know, it's happening again. So I got to get out of here, I think. All right. Well, let's get to some more positive things. Let's talk

a little bit of golf. I would like to say, in the last show, we hit people with all kinds of stuff last show, which we're going to do a lot more of. I love that shit. I think the reviews were insanely positive. Us throwing Anika Sorenstam, who's one of the great players of all time, and then also a program scientist from fucking NASA at you in the same show. And then us going through our 2022 goals, we're going to get a lot more of that stuff going. So I love that. I love that little dichotomy that we had. Look forward to much more of that.

If you didn't listen to that show, check it out. Eric Smith, one of the more generic names in American history was just a fantastic interview. His insight, his knowledge about this thing. Can't wait until the pictures come back. Frankie, is it like late, late summer these pictures are coming back? Is that kind of what I was looking at? Mid-summer, maybe. Mid-summer, I think, is the goal for them to start getting images back. Yeah, he was fantastic. Dr. Eric Smith, I've never really met a guy with such confidence about things that no one else can possibly know about. And then he also relays it in a manner that makes it seem pretty normal. Like, I got a couple messages saying, your guys' brains didn't really break during that podcast. And there wasn't, there wasn't

many oh fuck moments and i think that's because he explained them so normally that it was a little scary and i kind of mentioned that last show before he came on where i was saying he would just gloss over things like yeah i'm in the study of extra like other galaxies and when you just say that sentence it feels like um i don't know like he's in a marvel movie and he's just flying around trying to find thanos but in reality he said it as though he goes to the grocery and picks out grapes. It was a whole hum thing. I study other galaxies, so definitely worth to listen. It was super, super interesting. It was, and I can't wait to get him on next, because I think he will put our brains in a pretzel, because as soon as we go one level, one question

deeper than that, like, then I think it's, what are you even talking about? Well, it's when we start getting the images, that's what, when we start finding things that he can say, well, guys, the reason why this is interesting is because, and then you find out what's out there. What we need to do is like we need to yeah right we need to ask him like we need to somehow ask him a question about something that the only way to explain it is deeper than what we can understand right like he's been doing this for 30 years or whatever so he's clearly trained and like oh I understand these subjects I can look at these three people and know what they can understand so here is how I'm going to explain it and he could do it in a way that was pretty surface level if there's a there's some

questions that we need to figure out how to ask where there's just no other option he's just going to have to explain it like it is and we're going to be sitting here like like Trent you know where you station oh like isn't it is it i robot where um the hologram of the guy won't answer the question unless you ask the right question is that that movie that's what a guy like that is like where it's like is his name sunny the robot it's been so long since i've seen that movie but he's like you have to ask the right question to get the right answer out of me and i feel like eric smith is a guy just like that like you guys are saying we're asking these questions that we are thinking to ask when we got to think of the right questions to get the right type of answers out of him. So the guy who set up the interview for us was his son-in-law Taylor, who had reached out to me, knows my love for space and said, boy, do I have a good guess for you. My father-in-law works for NASA. If you guys ever want to learn anything about this, I actually didn't even say that. It was just like pretty cool that he does this on a day-day basis, whatever. I don't really know much about what he does, but I just know he works on that spaceship thing.

And I was like, man, I'd love to have him on this show tomorrow at 10 a.m. if possible. And they made it happen. It was unbelievably fast and so easy. I was texting Dr. Eric Smith that night at like 1030 at night. And it was, it happened very fast and super easy. But I do want to give out a shout to Taylor for reaching out because he just knew that that would be right up our wheelhouse. And he said that they had a little watch party. at his office and everyone was going crazy just knowing that like the father-in-law was on foreplay and to them that was a huge deal which to us always like breaks our brains even more than you're talking about. What are living in it? Yeah like they're all just kind of sitting

around watching the space guy on uh on four play podcast so that was pretty cool. I feel bad that was your father-in-law just like you sit down and have beers with him it's like I'm in sales I do a podcast it's like dude I study space you are so. Like you're having beers, you're trying to connect at some level. I mean, that's going to be a tough one for sure. He literally watches Marvel movies just so that he has a little bit of social capital at the dinner table. Otherwise, he's just way up here, you know, and he's got no shots. It was interesting.

I was learning about their, like, relationship a little bit and these text messages. Taylor was like, you know, I've known the guy for years. He does such high-level things that, you know, I'm the sports guy. so when we get together, we talk about that. And I'll probably learn a lot about this telescope from your podcast tomorrow because he'll talk more in detail about it. It's pretty funny that he must not bring a lot of his work home with him because I would assume when you're working on stuff like that,

I mean, gosh, when you come home, do you really, I mean, what is home to him? His home is out there. He doesn't have, this is not his home. This is he's renting on Earth. But what you do learn is guys like that want to talk about it because they feel like people aren't probably talking about it enough. Because it is super interesting, super high-level stuff that is tough to talk about at times. But if you get them talking, they really do want to talk about it.

What a burden, though. What a burden to be the only one that knows something. Don't you know what I mean? Yeah. There's so many things that people can be experts in, but everyone else has kind of a feel for what's going on. Like when you're an expert in space and other galaxies and exoplanets, you're, that's it, man. You're a one-ticket show. And whatever you say goes, you get.

me at a bar and you start talking to me about exoplanets and dust particles and fucking black holes whatever you say i'm eating it up as opposed to if you just work in the stock market you have a you have a fucking you have a stock i have a stock we can argue for days you know what i mean i can't argue with dr eric smith he's just right he sits me down and that's it it's got to be tough for him because even if he does go home and he wants to discuss it no one can discuss it in a level that would be interesting to him, right? Like, he just has to have really boring level conversations with people. You want to be challenged.

You want someone to bring up a point or an interesting fact or an element or an angle that, like, you are stimulated by. And no one can do that. We can't fucking do that. He probably only could get that at work during lunch when he's not fucking cranking through the telescope computer looking at ones and zeros. Like, that's got to be, it's got to be like he's in a cage of fucking information. We got to, like, what is the day to day there? Like, when you get in and you grab a. coffee like what do you do it's a good question zeroes i think i think it's one's zeros they plug him into

the fucking matrix and it's fucking ten hours that that is so true like we like our jobs are obviously a little little different in terms of like not the normal nine to five but when i worked at nine to five i would go in there and i would just rip on a computer and i would just put different files in different places and that passes off his work at a at a cube job what does he do when he gets there it's it's such important work that i don't even know where he starts It's like he gets his morning coffee, sits down at his desk, and then he just makes magic. Right. I guess it's got to be just monitoring the thing that's okay and then just studying every image that that thing picks up to the finest level of detail that you could possibly imagine.

Smart people are so interesting. They are. Definitely. Definitely. He was a joy. All right. Better help. So we're talking a lot about, you know, knowledge, the brain. This obviously can go straight towards mental health, how important that is.

And we've used a lot of examples about how you work on. You know, we spoke about our goals, how we want to get better at whether it's driving the ball further, whether it's your short game, whether it's your touch, whether it's figuring out how to score better in golf. We talked about 22 goals in general as people about how we want to eat healthier and you can work on that. You can like physically work on your body. Well, your mind is just as if not more important and better help really, really, truly honestly helps folks, you know, improve the health and the state. of their mind. You think you should wait until things might be unbearable to go through therapy. That's just not true. The therapy is a tool to utilize before things get worse. Again, just like anything else, kind of prevention, being ahead of something is going to prevent

further problems down the road and BetterHelp, who we partner with. We're sponsored by BetterHelp. They're offering people 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com slash four. But again, if you listen to this show for five minutes, if you listen to 400 episodes, you understand that better health, mental health is incredibly important. And I mean, I can't even imagine the insight that people must feel into our brains listening to us talk for what has to be just 600 hours, 700 hours they've listened to us, just talk about fucking nothing. Bro, there's one guy that, yeah, oh yeah, it was minutes.

There was one guy that did like 18,000 minutes of our podcast. in 2021, which is a lot, right? That's a lot of hours. Let me just do a quick math on that. Well, I would just, if we did an average of a 90-minute show and we did 100 shows a year, that's 9,000. And now you get people that go back, right, and re-listen to shows either from this year or from last year, you get into the 10, 15, 20,000 minutes of us doing this right here.

This is the show that they're listening. 18,000 minutes equates to 300 hours. That's unfortunate. It really is. We appreciate it. We appreciate it. It's a little unfortunate. Maybe for your just, that's just a lot.

That's what's a lot of listening to four guys, sometimes talk about golf, sometimes talking about space. We obviously appreciate it. But yeah. So that's 75 rounds of golf, basically. 75 full rounds of golf. That guy was just listening to us talk. That's the only thing he was doing.

it's a massive look into our brains if you're listening to us that much so for sure better help is the way to go when you know so much about us and then you probably aren't thinking about yourself enough because you're listening to us for fucking 300 days um yeah no i think we all need to start working on the mental health and i have a DM from a guy that really knows a lot about what i was talking about last show when it comes to um the yips so this guy um max he specializes in sports medicine and sports rehabilitation and kind of heard me talking very generally about the yips last show. And boy, are the yips are real. Because I said there's got to be some sort of hormone or something that happens that gets released.

Why I can't figure out why, like when I do it on the range and then I go on the course, something physically happens. I physically feel it. And he goes, I want you to know it's an unbelievably real thing that you explain. It's called dystonia. It's a kind of movement,

disorder when a person gets sustained in voluntary muscle contraction. So essentially, I mean, I can read this whole thing. It's super interesting. There are many causes. It can be genetic. It can be medically induced. It can be from a common task oriented behavior that causes some underlying stress and anxiety. Some famous writers get it when get what's called writers cramps where when they start really focusing hard on writing or finishing something they're writing, their hand cramps and they can't write anymore. It contracts. It's almost like your brain's way of telling your muscles. that what you were about to do could cause severe anxiety and stress, and your brain tries to stop you from doing it.

The yips are a sports equivalent to riders cramp. As you stand over the ball of a chip, an event that has filled your brain with stress and anxiety in the past, your brain is trying to unconsciously keep you from doing that action by literally contracting your forearm and hand and muscles. There are many genetic environmental factors that play into what you specifically get these, why you specifically get these contractions. one last note is that for people

for whom these dystonic episodes are truly debilitating or career altering into your reading ability well I gotta be honest it's just a lot going on especially in DM

the same toxin from the back I mean come on dude the same toxin from the bacteria clauscyterum I mean dude this word is fucking out same we're with you today dude no no we're on your side you speak like a three year old

and you went to Harvard No, no. The same toxin from the bacteria Closterium Botulinium. I mean, come on. These words are not as real. It's Latin.

These words are Latin. It's Latin. It's Latin. Let's get through it, buddy. All right. He's talking about stepping on rusty nails and your muscles contracting by blocking the nerves.

So basically there's a thing that you can take, Closterium botanilium, that you can take. That would actually, it's almost like a nerve blocker, I'm assuming. It's the same thing that you take

when you step onto a nail and they block the thing that would stop it from getting into your muscles. It's a very, small injection. And basically people will take this. And the pitcher Rick and Keel took this to put it into his muscles to basically

trick his brain into not contracting his arm muscle to see if that would work so that his arm wouldn't tense up when he went to go throw. So dude, it is fucking crazy. And I do feel that. That like subconscious feeling of when I'm standing over a chip, I do definitely tense up when I go to hit it. And I wonder if that is what it is, the dystonian feeling or whatever that word is.

It's scary, man. And it doesn't seem like there's a way of getting around it. There doesn't seem like there's any fixed to that. I don't know how you can stop your brain from me. Did your voice just crack too with a little nerve there? No, it's more nervous. It was more of a nervous. Like, I think I'm dead. Because I don't know where that goes. Do I just, like,

crash my car next? Like, what happened? When Brandel was on his run before Tiger's last comeback, when he obviously They won the Masters. Brandl's big thing was that Tiger has the chipping yips and that there's no cure for basically physical yips on things like that. And that his biggest roadblock for Tiger coming back was he didn't see how he could get over that and how there could be moments in no pressure environments where folks can get over things like the yips in any different sport, whether it's throwing or whether it's chipping or whether it's putting or whatever.

And so he again would reference a lot of the things that you're referencing, which it's like there's a connection. connection with the mind and the butt and that if you once you lose kind of that connection, there's no known way to get it back. And then Brandel has gone on and been like, it's a fucking miracle that that guy somehow figured out, yeah, the injuries and all that. He came back from. But the yips, you don't know how you get over that. So good luck. What scary is that your brain can cause physical changes and harm to you, right? Like you can actually subconsciously, subconsciously not even realizing it, but you're contracting all of your muscles because of this thing in your brain that thinks you're about to experience an anxious and

stressful moment. It's trying to stop you from doing that. And we have no realization that that's happening and really no way to stop it at all. It's just happening subconsciously. So, yeah, he says at the end, I just want to give you the reassurance that the yips are certainly real, mental challenge, that some people are prone to getting in repeated stressful events, especially if you are already an anxious and stressed out individual, which is exactly what I am.

It's a repeated stressful event. It's 10 to 15 times a round in golf. So we'll see. Hopefully, I will now check all the avenues to see how I can fix this, because there's got to be a way. Guys get over it. Rick Enkeel didn't get over it. He literally had to leave the Major League Baseball,

all the millions of dollars he was making, his awesome house and everything that he was doing. He had to end all of that. and had to go learn the sport again to hit and play the outfield. So I don't know if I'll be able to get over this, but I will try. There's no better representation of exactly what you're describing than juxtapositioning your session that you had abandoned dunes around that chipping green, which it's very difficult to chip around that area.

It's firm, straggly, stringy little eyes that are not perfect. And you were just flushing pitch after pitch, chip after chips. the point where you were holding out and then the second that you step on the golf course, it's over. And that is so, that's just got to be so frustrating. And again, we all have things that we're just horrible at, undoubtedly. But that to me, to my brain, I thought, okay, he finally put the time in. He has figured it out for an hour.

You were chipping around better than I was, better than people around there. I'm watching all kinds of nice Bandon's guest, just blade shots and chunk shots, not Frankie Borelli and yet the minute that you get on the golf course for some reason your brain says holy fuck oh no and there's a physical connection between your brain and your body and it's amazing it's amazing I'm moving for you to get over are we gonna have to get are we going to get this guy hypnotized bro I guess I don't know right I think it's scary shit that we're not thinking about what this fucking brain does the second thing I want to say is that there's a video that's going to come out from tailor made that is really like people are going to think I was making it up when with Tommy

Fleetwood and he's just like chipped this ball onto the green and I couldn't do it. And it, when you read something like this from a guy who knows what he's talking about and he's saying like, it's a repeated stressful event, I'm probably thinking to myself, oh, fuck, here we go again. And subconsciously, my brain's like, let's stop that from happening because we don't like that feeling when you get into this anxious, stressed out like state. And we're going to try and stop you from chipping this ball. I really think that's what happened because, I mean, you guys saw, I couldn't get the ball onto the green from what, seven? yards away. It just, I couldn't do it. He, even Tommy Fleet was like, what's happening here?

Are you guys fucking with me? So, yeah, no, it's scary. It really is scary. And that was a stressful event. Like, I was like, you have to chip this ball into the green. Frank, you have to. Because everyone's watching. We have to get onto the next video. You have to chip this ball in the green. And I couldn't. It's just an endless loop. It just loops itself. And it's, yeah, I don't know. So maybe I take that fucking word that I couldn't pronounce. I still can't pronounce it. I'm to try one last time. People are going to fucking freak out. All right. It's called Clostridium. Botulinium. Botillian. Bostrinium. Custrinium bodily. And what is that? That's the, that's the, what goes into your brain at the time or that?

No, that is, that's something that you're going to actually get injected. It can be injected in a very small concentration into a part of the body to cause muscle relaxation. Your muscles literally will not be able to contract from that feeling, that subconscious feeling that your brain is going to your arms. Now, does that mean that your forearms are loosey-goosey gummy bears? I don't know. This is what Botox does to your face. It's just repeatedly giving injection of the toxin that eventually permanently damage the muscle connection to the nerves so that the muscles shrink in size, hence you lose wrinkles and your face looks skinnier. So I don't know if I want to do that to my arms. Put a little Botox on your...

I don't know if I want to do that with my arms, but I don't know, we'll see. If it gets to the level of me putting Botox in my forearms, I think that at that point we have to realize that I don't care about getting better at the game of golf because I'm not putting Botox in my arms, and we're just going to have to put the putt from everywhere and just get the ball in the green.

I'm not putting... Or you just know that you're a complete psychopath if you're putting Botox in your arms. So, I mean, I think we've lost the brain at that point, so there's no sense in even going down. If I have this anxious, this thing that's happening in my brain that I can't chip and the only option is to put Botox in my arms, I'm letting you guys know. It's been fun doing the podcast and all this stuff.

I'm not doing it. So if you want to kick me off or not hitting my chips, I don't care. I'm done. Wasn't VJ Singh putting like deer blood in his fucking arms at one point or something like that? He ended up getting suspended. I think there was that Ray Lewis. Deer antler spray or something. Yeah, Ray Lewis put that on like his, on one of it on some legament and he healed like a week.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's a middle of deer antler spray. Just like, you can't pick that up. I don't know where you're getting that. What are people doing where they're out there discovering that deer antler spray will grow back your fucking like your ear in like two seconds? There's a lot of things that these athletes are doing that we're not doing that humans should have access to. Just their way of life.

I just, there's a reason why they're the healthiest people on the planet. They're just doing simple things like the way that they do saunas, to ice baths and your hearts are constantly pumping and you get it you get a look at some of these guys whoop bands and like yeah we see the whoop on pGA tour where you see like it going 140 beats per second and then from per minute and then you um you're like oh yeah they're like us they get nervous bro if you look at their daily strain their recovery and their and their and they're all their their HRV stuff all their stats it would make you think we're going to die when we're 40 years old like When I compare my whoop to a professional athletes for resting heart rate, I'm 20 to 30 beats per minute higher.

Like I was like a 70 and they're 45 resting heartbeat. And that's just their heart is working so much less than mine. It's beating so much less and so much stronger and will last so much longer than mine. Well, I remember when Lance Armstrong was in his prime and obviously there's some asterisk to all this. He was at like 11 beats per minute when he was at his peak. So it was just like every six seconds, it's just like, Katoom! Just the strongest heart in the world.

And you're right, Frankie. I was looking at my whoop the other day. I'm at like 68 beats per minute. So that's more than one beat a second, which is certainly not healthy. And another thing about a professional athlete, like I remember reading an article, LeBron James spends like $2 million a year on his body. He sleeps in a cryo freezer every night. He's doing all these different things.

And this is obviously the tip in the other end of the spectrum where they're professional athletes, so their bodies are just going to be insane. But we don't we don't. We don't need to be on the far other end. Like we could be doing way better than we're doing right now. They're doing, if he's going extreme on this side, we're going here and then there's a line and then we're going the other direction. Like we're actually harming it like that's right significant degree while they're doing everything they can to improve it.

That's right. I'm looking at my heart rate right now and I'm at 67, which is amazing. Usually I'm up at like 83 to 86. Oh, I'm going to be really high as I sit on like in front of my computer. And right now I'm 70, 69. I will not be releasing my number. RIT. I will not be releasing my number.

Is it over 100? Yeah, dude. No, no. It's, but it's close. I will I will. Trent, that's ridiculous.

Is it in the 90s? Trent, give us a number, dude. I'm at 93. Oh. Yeah, you guys. I'm at 71 right now. I don't think I'm going to make it. I'm at 63.

I'm at 63. Yeah, I think we got to get out of the 90s, dude. We got to get out of the 90s. 90s is like you're jogging. You're jogging. Last night I played a last night I had a roller. The Long Island sauce played in their third.

hockey game, our roller hockey team. We went up a division. It's a league that I'm not supposed to be in for sure. There's very good talent. We have good talent on our team. I'm out of my league there, boys. It's just one of those things where the game's just fast and it's moving and I'm standing there. But I'm holding my own. I'm getting pucks deep and I'm trying to get in the right positions. It's bad. They'll hit me with these passes into these like these entry, these zone entries and I just can't handle them and they know it and it's it is what it is but I want to say that last night I got my heart rate up to like 185 and when you look at like the hour and a half of just the workout like this it was a 14.5 strain for an hour which was fucking awesome and you want to know

the difference between us and the professional athletes I came home and I went to go ice my wrist because I got fucking tripped we were down we were down four two with a minute and 10 seconds left so we pulled our goalie and I got I was the extra on because we only had eight guys and like I need and the other two guys were defensive. I came on, got the puck, got into the zone and I actually got around a guy for the first time all game. I'm like, holy fuck, let's go. I saw a lane and a guy behind me just trips me. I just

step on his blade and I just completely wipe out land on my fucking wrist and I'm looking around like all right, no one's gonna call anything and the ref goes to me and he goes, I'm sorry, you suck so I just thought you fell. And everyone laughed and I I'm like, I get it. And I went after, and I'm like, I went up to. I was like, so you just like missed it.

And then now we lose the game because then we ended up scoring a goal. And like, I mean, come on, man. Like we're trying to do something here. The guy clearly tripped me was a stoolie. He comes up to me and goes, I've never tripped anyone worse than that. You literally, I put my foot, my blade, my stick under your skates and you stepped on him and it was over and you just fell. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, dude. Like you kind of suck. I thought you just fell. I was on the other side of the rink. Like I also don't care. I'm like a 20-year-old kid that just wants to get out of here. Like I just like, oh, yeah, I don't care.

And I was, I was mad. I was like, dude, you're, you suck, but I get it. Like there are, there are stars in the game who get preferable treatment. Like, LeBron will get a call that somebody doesn't get. You're not LeBron. They're just like, oh, that guy sucks. Dude, I got folded by our big, we have a big boy on our team. And he puts in some effort, but it's not much.

It's, he knows his limitations. He barely skates around. It's a very funny thing to say. He's huge. And I fold, he folded me. like a pancake last night because I went to go reach and do like an extra energy type thing where I leaned and tried to get the puck and poke it away and he tripped at the same time my head went into his gut and then he fell on top of me and everyone went ooh it looked like a

cartoon where where all the dust then came over us and and I had the little tweety birds around my head and I just he looked at me and goes I'm sorry dude I mean I'm talking a couple hundred pounds fell on top of me with force. And I was like, you, I was like 67. Come on, man. Like, we got to get, we got to do that to the other team, dude. I can barely get up. And I forget, you were, you were in the E league or something like that, maybe G league.

What are you in the, we're in the, we're in the B now. So it's, yeah, there's some talent. There's talent there, boys. There was a guy that looked like Weird Al Yankovitch last night with his hair all over down to his fucking his, it was down to his hip. And he was a professional hockey player. Professional. I mean, I looked at him saying, what are you doing?

out here right now. Really? Like, let us have fun. What are you doing out here? I think you're going to go back in a league. I think you're probably... The thing is we have good players now. So like, you know, these games are still tight. Oh, I would, yeah, I can't play with my friends anymore. It's over. I had fun. Yeah. Did you guys lose last night? Yeah. So you're 0 and 2 with you and they won when you weren't there, right? Yeah, one and three. Yeah. O and 2 with me. Oh and 2 with the jerseys. Like in the G league, you were like, you had goals and stuff. I don't feel like we're getting a game G notes.

I have zero points through two games. What's the plus minus? Oh, it's got to be minus eight, minus nine. It's every time I'm out there. Might not just have to be the coach or the

water boy, the manager or something. It's every time I'm out there. They score. I will say it's so good. It's unfortunate. Lurch could attest, man, that I would go to war with the referees and men's like hockey.

And it's bullshit, because these guys are on a power trip and there's no one to stop them. I mean, this 11-15 p.m. game when the guy's making $18 an hour and he's out there and he's got like his 90 minutes of the week where he's in control, it's his ice rink. And it's it's anarchy that there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, if you, if the guy just decides he doesn't like you and calls shitty penalties against you or something, there's literally nothing you could do about it. There's no like manager on site. There's no one overseeing the referee like committee. This guy just calls that and then he just like smirks at you.

And then you just yell at him and then that's just it. Then the other team like makes fun of you. And then it's, it's just, it's chaos. There's nothing you can do about it. It was chaos. It's completely helpless against these fucking guys. It's complete chaos. But no, it was, it was more funny because I, like, I was, like, I'm on my ass as the play is happening.

And we're arguing and we're both laughing. I'm like, dude, I know I suck. You just missed it. And he's like, just get up. The game's over. I was like, you're right. Like, I know, I know it's over. But I was like, dude, I finally got around this fucking guy.

It was funny. It was good, but I got to get better. I just got to get better. So, yeah, I'm not feeling it this year. Men's League is, it's a funny game. Because, like, then you get, because I was the big body, but I was, like, full effort, full energy, but I sucked. So, like, I mean, there was times where I would just fall or I would just take the puck

right into the corner because I knew I couldn't get around a guy, but I would eat it so my team could get a change. Like, I was, without question, the worst player on our team. because like Riggs is obviously good and all my other buddies that were on this team were good too. But so I was on the other side where I, like my role was really to like piss people off. I think I was the most hated guy in the league because I was a big body. I wore goalie skates, some games, lacrosse element and I would literally just eat the puck or just complete try hard back check.

Nobody wanted any piece of that. And then my clearing or breakout passes were horrible. I forget it was Riggs or Biego, but they were coming. across the ice and it was like, it was perfect. It's just a tape to tape and you just rip it at him. For whatever reason, I threw it like three to four inches off the ice, which is literally the worst spot a puck could be. And I think it just clipped one of them in the ankle.

And now my own team's screaming at me. Anyway, that was me. Because I remember if you throw it, if you fucking pass it waist high, you can catch it and drop it in front of you. No problem. If you throw it on the ice, you can just catch it. Even if you throw it a little bit behind, you can use your skates and sort of like,

you know, finango it up to your stick. You throw it three inches like, nobody on earth could do anything with that. It's like it's impossible. And then three inches, four inches in the air and it hits your ankle. That's the one spot where you're just fully vulnerable and you just buckle to the ice. Like, Jesus. And if that happens, if another player at another team, you know, sends a puck at you that way, you're mad at them for months.

When it's fucking lurch, your defenseman who's just got a clear look at you on the ice, oh boy, we would drive. But great locker room, guys. Great locker room. Yeah. you couldn't be upset. I will say I came back home. I came back home.

I had bruises. My wrist hurts because I fell so hard. I go into the freezer and I just, it was like a movie scene. Open up the freezer and it was like, do, doong. And I saw cookie dough ice cream in there. And I had just did this amazing workout. I actually even hit, I had a simulator before. So I had like a 15 something strain yesterday, maybe even 16 actually.

It was like my highest ever. And I just closed the freezer, man. I closed it and went through. bed. I didn't. Yeah, I just, I closed the freezer. And because I thought about that whoop. I thought about how we're not even the same human beings as these people.

And I just closed that freezer and I went to bed and I woke up feeling okay. I mean, I feel a little shitty actually today. And I don't know if it's because of the Omicron cold that's going around. But I just, I don't know. Something about playing that fucking men's league that just makes me feel like shit the next day. It's probably because I'm getting beat up. Uh, Frankie, a quick question for you. What are some of the great t-shirts in the world called again that you rock day in and day out?

Oh, my God, true classic. True classic teas. True, okay, true classics, true classic. Here's the two things we're not supposed to say. True classic teas or true classics. I will say, if they write in the copy, do not say this. Well, it's interesting because their website's true classic teas, right? I've spent maybe a thousand dollars on true classic.

I'm just going to be completely honest with you guys. I've got t-shirts, hoodies, jackets, true classic. I'm a true classic guy. I've never really talked about it. And then when I saw that they were a supporter of the brand, I went crazy. So true classic is it's the softest t-shirt you'll ever wear. It's a t-shirt you can wear to bed or to wear to a bar. And I've really never seen that combo ever.

Usually a t-shirt you wear to bed is very thin, nippily. you can almost see the threading. This is, it's got structure to it. It's tight around the arms. It's loose around the belly. It's, it's got form, and it's so comfortable. When you open it up out of the bag, it doesn't have all those things on it.

You know, sometimes these t-shirts have little holders on them around the shoulders, and then when you put the t-shirt on, it's like, it's like cardboard, or maybe sometimes they have all these stickers on them or these tags. It doesn't come with any tags, no stickers. You just take it out of the bag, you put it on. And it's so soft. It's the softest t-shirt ever, ever. And they've got a million just plain colors.

Their hoodies are phenomenal, large hoodies with nice big hoods. I wore one last night. Yeah, I think Jake Bass said that there's a bunch in the office, because I have yet to experience the true classic, and I want to the way that you talk about, especially the hoodies. I'm a big hoodie guy. So I think when I'm done here, I'm going to grab as many hoodies as I can get my hands on

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20% off, use the promo code 4Play. So I had a crazy coincidence last week. And again, there's a few things I wanted to talk about, but last show was full. So I went down to North Carolina for just two or three quick days. As folks know, I bought a home there. It was kind of a dream of mine since I left Pinehurst a year ago. I don't know anything about markets or crypto. So if I had any money, I wanted to invest in shit that I know,

which is like golf trips and piner's. So bought a home there. I want to make it a really cool golf cottage, rent it out, let people get an awesome experience, use kind of my experiences and information there to like set up awesome golf trips for people. So I need to do some renovations to the home, a couple tweaks so that it's ready for people to go rent and stay and all that stuff. So booked like three weeks ago, this walk through with the general contractor who's going to obviously come through and set it all up and do the work and all that.

Well, the reason we couldn't book it earlier is because the guy was out in Arizona for a week for like vacation, wintertime, whatever. So I'm like, great, I'll meet you there. My brother's going to come and help me with it too, which he did. And it went really well. But on Thursday, I'm flying from Arizona to Raleigh, North Carolina. And I'm on the plane, southwest where, you know, it's first come, first serve. It's an absolute war zone trying to get a seat.

I pay the extra $25 wherever it is. I'm A, like 28. Get on the plane. I'm in like the fourth row sitting in a window. Guy sits in the aisle. And the guy in the aisle is a big stoolie. So he's chatting me up. So what are you doing?

I said, oh, I'm actually going to Pioneer. I bought a home there. I'm going to make a couple changes to the home and meeting with a general contractor. And a guy in the aisle goes, oh, I'm that general contractor. Whoa. And I was like, what? What? And he reaches out and shakes my hand and goes, oh, yeah, you're rigs, right?

And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, Michael. And as he's, like, walking by. And then he's like, yeah, I'll see you this weekend. And then he just was gone from my life. And the next time I see him was Sunday morning at 10 a.m. We had a walk through. And he goes, I've been telling everybody about how insane that.

And I thought it was somebody like trying to joke around that they were going to steal the job. Like, I'm your general contractor now, bitch or whatever. And it was just the guy. So of all the times in the work, I don't know if I've ever said the words out loud, like I'm meeting with the general contractor. And the one time I ever said that, the guy was walking by in the aisle to Southwest to go sit in like 24C or whatever. That's unfortunate because now you're part of some sort of story that you're not writing. that's you're you're in someone else's movie now because that's not I was got off the play you're in his movie now you're in the general contractor's movie because he was to be there at

that time you're just an extra character and you're now you're you're subconsciously understanding it now but you've always been in his world I don't know it's it's you're right somebody's in somebody's movie I don't know if we know who's who yet I think riggs is in his movie that guy just kept moving and was like oh I'm the guy it was too easy for him like like Think about his day. He walked on that plane and the guy that he's seeing on Sundays talking about him, he probably feels like that's his big ticket movie. He's never had a bigger movie than that in his entire life.

He walks on a plane, a guy in a random fucking 4-7, 4D is just talking about him. And then he just says, yep, that's me and just keeps walking. That's crazy. What are we talking about here? If he would have winked at me or something, I was going to call like the TSA and be like, you guys have to stop this plane. and nobody can go. And it was, it was appellate.

And then the guy, the stoolie that was talking to looked to me and he's like, what the fuck is going on here? I was just like, dude, I don't know. I was just trying to tell you a quick story and like explain something and just get through this conversation so I could just go to sleep over here against a window. And I,

and then it was just, it was the weirdest fucking coincidence I've ever seen. The amount of timing and shit that had to go great. So again, I'm a little bit on edge for the last like week and a half since that happened. Yeah, absolutely. It was should be. It was shell shocking.

And then the other experience I want to talk about is I played around at Tobacco Road with Graham McDowell. And then we have a mutual buddy this guy, Jordan, who played in the Barstow Classic, who I know they were in town. So we set up this round at Tobacco Road. And we've had a lot of these experiences where there's guys that we see on TV that we know that you hear good things about, but you're not sure. Well, I spent like Sal and McDowell playing around to golf at Tobacco Road. Just an all-time, total beauty, complete legend. Guy is so down to earth and normal. in his bag too. He brought like a couple of whiskey nips. It was like, it was probably 45 degrees

while we were playing. He had like cigars, some whiskey nips. He pulled them out of the exact right time. You know, love to get out there and chirp by like whole four. You know, he's chirping. I get a shitty lie in the bunker and he'd walk over there and be like, I was hoping it would look like that and just kind of got it and understood like he was one of the guys the whole time. We're obviously going to get him on the show. That was a big part. I just kept saying like, you got to be on. And then, you know, he was doing the thing that we're always surprised by where he was referencing a lot of the stuff that we had done. So he's very much aware and appreciating what we do

and what Dave was doing all the time. And you kind of have a little bit of a holy shit moment where you're like, the fact that other people were conscious and know and experiencing what we're doing is always going to be really shocking. Somebody like Graham McDowell, who again, incredibly connected, U.S. Open winner, incredibly connected with the European Rider Cup team. He hit a Ryder Cup winning, like, he took down Tiger that year

in his own tournament. when he made those huge plots. So he's been a part of some just shockingly important moments of the history of golf. And he's out there on just a random Friday and 40 degree weather, slapping it around a tobacco road with somebody like me. So I just had to say, like, incredibly, incredibly good dude. We're going to get him on the show, and he's going to be phenomenal. He's got that great, like, Northern Irish little accent that's always very, very welcoming.

You know, it's like anytime somebody speaks like that, you just feel like you're having a Guinness in a cool little pub and that they'll tell you your whole life story and that they care about you. And he just gives that off the entire time. So really, really good dude. And we're going to get him on the show. I think he's going to be a really good guess. Did he tear that place up, Tobacco Road? I mean, I will say it was cold.

It was really cold. Like it was probably in the 30s when we teed off. So everyone was kind of just getting through it. But yeah, on the back nine, he probably had, you know, four or five birdies and he'd never seen the place before. didn't make any putts and was probably shot like 68 or 67 or something out there. And you know how that plays is. Like there were a few shots that he hit where he's like, I think that's a good line.

And he got up there and was in a horrible place. And then there were some where once he started really figured out, kind of warmed up on the back nine, he had like probably three birdies in a row, I think he had at one point. So yeah, he's a major winner. Like, yeah, he's going to, like even if he plays bad, it's 60, whatever, 68. Dude, he doesn't, like, he doesn't ever not hit it exactly where he wants to hit it. Like, he just hits it straight with his driver, non-fucking stop.

And we had a, I got to say, we had a really funny moment where the day before we were texting about the round. And he, and we never really met before. So everybody's kind of hyped up and you're trying to get juiced up for the round. He said, hey, if you need any, like stuff or tailor-made stuff, whatever I know you kind of use those, let me know. I got a bunch extra clubs and balls. He's like, I was supposed to pick up my like stealth. I'd love for you to check it out, but unfortunately you got delayed. And I was like, hey, I don't want to be an asshole, but like, I have a stealth.

I'm not going to like have it tomorrow. And then the next day on the range, I pulled it out again. And he saw it was all, but he goes, the second I sent that text message, I said in my head, I bet this fucking guy has a stealth before I do. And I was like, yeah, like, I have one of you want to check it out. And he's like, I knew that was coming. And then, of course, I was, I hit a couple really good drives, a couple shitty ones. And he took it and used it on one T and just hit one like, you know, 305 yard down the middle with it the first time seeing it.

And he's like, yeah, I kind of like it. You know, so it's just the guy can't not hit the golf ball straight. It's always amazing to me. Watch how somebody who's really good at golf actually can be at golf. Yeah, I mean, we talk about it all the time. But these guys are there. It's crazy how much better they are than everybody else. Like I always think about it when Dylan DeCare talks about it because he's a fucking.

really good golfer. And whenever he is like, he's mentioned it on a tweet during Capulua being like, it's crazy, like actually crazy how good and how consistent these guys are and how low they can go. And for a guy like Dylan to chair to be saying that, like when they come across guys like us,

it's two different species, really. It's really, really an impressive thing. Dude, you know, and again, there was such funny conversations two or three holds in when like I'm, I got this new stealth and he's like,

I knew you would have it. before I, and I can't, you know, I'm hitting half of them off the planet and I'm hitting some really good ones. And then here's the guy that like couldn't get one in time and he just can't fucking miss. And what is? The world is clearly ass backwards. So. And it was a hundred yards out of your rigged yesterday?

Any bombs or when you were there? I will say I hit a couple that when you really catch it with that thing, people in the group are like, oh, okay. Whoa. Like it comes off. It was fucking, it just pops off that. It is an extra like five or whatever mile an hour ball speed that you get off that thing when you catch one. So even my brother, because my brother was there, we played one round and he's seen me play as much golf and bent through every phase of my golf game as possible.

There are a few drives I hit with the thing where he was like, all right, that was different, whatever that was different. I have a stealth driver collecting dust in my New York City apartment and Graham McDowell can't get one. That's not right, all right? Whatever's going on, I appreciate everything Taylor-made does for us. They're the best. Frankie's hat right now is really great. but the fact that I have one that I the fact that I can't

that the fact that I have one that I'm not going to use in Graham McDowell is looking at rigs like oh my God you have one and I don't something ain't right That might be something not right moment I think you need to take that thing out of that box And like look at it The second thing

Because I mean it's unbelievable It's amazing to look at I've used it five days in a row now I love it I think I'm hitting it too much To be honest I'm taking today off My shoulders feel like they're being attached by dental floss I'm done

Swinging a golf club I don't know how these guys do it every day I've probably hit over a thousand balls this week and I can't They must hit a thousand balls a day you think Like when they practice these guys I mean how many balls do you think they hit 500 maybe

But you got a you got to build up to it You can't just throw yourself into the deep I'm trying to Yeah So I'm trying to hit like a hundred a day And then a hundred turns into We hit maybe 75 in the practice And then we did the sim and played 18 holes

So that was another what I mean. So that was 185 or whatever it was, 190. It was a lot of fucking... Don't stop, Frankie. Keep going. My shoulders are done, dude. We played the links at Spanish Bay on this simulator at this place, big indoor golf last night. Kind of a weird spot. I really like the place because it was kind of weird. It was one of those places they didn't have any signs on the outside. They have one follower on Instagram. The guy was kind of just like, it was cool. The thing about this place, Big Indoor Golf, it's informing down. One way to have one follower on

Instagram? It was weird. is it you? No, I think it just opened up. Basically, you know when you see a place in a strip mall and it's just those poles and it's that weird lighting and carpet and it's like, you can lease this for whatever amount of month. And it's just got that look to it. Every place that hasn't been redone, it's just got those white walls and gray carpet. This place kind of is just that with a bunch of really massive simulators in it. Like, they, their selling point is that their bigger screen.

and longer distance from where you hit it to the screen. So you actually feel like you're getting a little bit more. You can actually tell where the ball was going a little bit more because you're not right up against the screen. Like at a five ironer. It's a little bit further away. It's a big indoor job. So a good chance to miss the screen though, too.

No, the screens are huge with netting on top and on the left. So yeah, you couldn't miss it, but there's netting everywhere. So that was really cool. But by the time I got to like the 14th hole at Spanish Bay, I couldn't swing anymore. I couldn't swing anymore. My arms were fucking so tired. My wrists were, you know another thing that's happening with me? My wrists are cracking every time I take the club back.

You said that the other day when we were at 5 Iron, and I hadn't noticed it until you said something. And now every time you swing, I can hear it. Yeah, it's crazy, dude. I can't, I can do this right now and it won't crack. But for some reason, club on the ground, take away, it just goes, it's irritating. Also, I feel like a lot of us go from like zero to 100.

Like you haven't, like, you haven't done much. And then all of a sudden you're hitting a thousand golf balls over the last couple days and playing 18 holes in a simulator. It's like, that's a mess. Then, you know, Trent goes from his New York City apartment to like walking band. And it's like, what are we even doing here? So we all, we're just not trained. So we're just a mess. Trent's heart rate is at 96 right now as we're talking.

Like, we're not physically able. to do things that we should. And so when we're put into situations where you play four or five rounds of golf in back-to-back days and you're walking, like you're just going to naturally fall apart. Right. And I do no preparation.

We do zero preparation. Would it be a good idea for me right now to get it from this chair and go run a marathon? No. But that's like we're basically doing that in different ways. But it would be good to go run a mile.

Like that, that's the difference. Right. Right. But I, it's just. It doesn't like that. We do need to find that middle ground because I think I've reached, I think yesterday I really saw, okay, this is actually hurting my game now because I'm now, I was duck hooking shots and I, I just, I didn't have it. In the beginning, I kind of did on the range when we were just hitting balls into it. I'm like, man, I am just feeling it this week. I'm hitting stripe shows. And then I was like, man, I can't get around these balls. And I feel like my wrists are hurting, my shoulders. I got to stop. And I literally stop. You hit 50 balls a day. Just 50 balls a day. And then you scale up. just take a couple days off in between.

It's also like lifting. They say you take a couple days off, you go back, and it is a fucking workout. And it just makes, it really opens your eyes to these pros and tigers back and all the things that they have to do. Like, it's, it's stunning how much, how much pressure you're putting on, like, your lower back and your shoulders and your neck. Things that you don't even think about, just leaning over the ball and doing an athletic swing is, it's so bad for your back. It's amazing that these guys practice. as much as they do. Plus, when these guys get to the point, you know, where they have made so much money,

it'd be so easy for them to just not go do this. If you're Ricky or Rory in those certain phases where people chirp them about underperforming and why aren't they grind them when it, it's like, well, imagine if you have 50 or 100 or 200 million of the bank and they're going out there and they're like going to do and go through what Frankie's going through right now, it'd be like a lot easier to just not do that. I was thinking about that the other day when Andrew Luck popped up on the broadcast for whatever game it was. I forget what it was. But so rarely do you see guys in any professional sport, golf, football, whatever,

who once they have, and I don't really remember exactly what Andrew Lux's reasoning were, so I don't want to put words in his mouth. But I was looking at his career earnings. He made $109 million on the football field when he was playing. And then at a certain point, he was just like, I'm out of here. And you so rarely see that. When you're right, Riggs, Rory or Ricky, or pretty much anybody that you know about in the world of golf could just say I'm done with this and be totally fine and so few of them to do

that and it's what make Andrew Luck so interesting but I don't know they just want some people can walk away but most really can't I think so I think some guys are different than golf obviously football is totally there's a whole different thing with that I think that there's a certain type of person that's able to walk away but with sports specifically I almost get a nauseous feeling in my stomach when I watch a guy play his last game. I did this with Derek Jeter. I was obviously a huge Derek Jeter fan. I kind of did this with Ben Rothusberger in his last home game

where I get stress and anxiety knowing that that's their last game and I put myself in their head, Ben walking out onto the football field. He's been doing this for 18 years and this is the last time he's going to do it. It almost has to feel like a mini version of dying to him where he now knows that his life is over. And he's consciously knowing that. It's, I almost think mentally, these really big other than life figures, they like die twice. Like we actually watch them do the thing that they've lived and we say you're done now.

It's over. You can't come back next year. This lifestyle, you walking out of a tunnel playing football in front of millions of people is never going to happen again. That last snap you know it's never happening ever again. And what in our lives, maybe we retire from work, but that feels a little bit different because you could always go, I don't know. You could, if you retire from punching numbers into a keyboard, you can just go do that tomorrow. There's something about that being his last one ever. Derek Jeter took the field at Yankee Stadium.

Never again. It feels like he's dying. So it's got to be such a weird feeling. Well, and it happens so early, right? Like if you're working a regular 9 to 5 and your punch of numbers, you retire what, 60, 65, hopefully? and for a guy like Ben, he's probably 38, 39. So he's still got, he's got a lot of time left. And now he's just like, but now I don't feel like I have anything to do

because this sport that I've loved and have been playing for so many years is now moved past me and I'm not able to do it anymore. So now they have to fill all of that time. Yeah. And I would say I think that there clearly is a buildup to that moment for them where they've been thinking and feeling about getting out for a warm. So they're prepared for it. Obviously, in that singular moment, I think it catches up to them. You always see a ton of emotion. But I think a part of them is, A, like, excited to not go through the shit that we're talking about now. They always cite that. And then B, like they're excited about future, whether they get into managing a team or, you know, general manager or front office stuff or broadcasting. Like, those guys are used to throwing themselves, immersing themselves fully in their career and whatever they do. So I'm sure a part of them is just excited to focus on something different. That's not. not going to beat the fuck out of their body.

But yeah, I mean, when you've only known something for that long, I'm sure it does be like something's dying. And you see them like cry. You see these big bad ass guys just like break down and fucking start crying because it's a really emotional thing when you lose something like that. I bet it's a really, really weird feeling. And there's no rush like being out there in front of a big stadium. We're also talking about highly, highly competitive people who then you need an outlet for that.

And I don't know where you get that. Like you don't necessarily get that. You see a lot of guys jump into media. and commentary, but that's not going to scratch the itch that it is playing, you know, 16 games a year against the high, at the highest level. Like you see guys having a hard time adjust because they're so competitive and there you really can't get that anywhere else than in in the arena that they've been playing in for two decades.

Yeah. And the reason I bring it up is because we talked about why do these guys do it when they don't just walk away. And the Andrew Lux are very, very rare because I think that there is a part of you that actually dies when that happens. These guys, that's all, that's, that's who they are. they are not allowed to do it anymore and they want to do it as long as possible. And it's, it's interesting, like a Tiger Woods.

Right. He could just walk away, everything he's ever been through. He could just walk away simply because of the money, his lifestyle, it's done. He's a billionaire. It's over, dude. You're done. He doesn't want to walk away. He could have walked away 10 years ago.

Yep, he doesn't want to. He could have just disappeared, but it's like we talked about a few episodes ago where he's the guy who buys a, you know, a cabin in the woods or a farm. with 50 acres and then all of a sudden a black car starts driving down the street and he's like I got to get back out there he just can't let it go for what he's and you know why because one day we're all going to be in the fucking dirt and he's still got a chance to play professional golf and and go and win fucking majors and solidify his career and he's got a chance to keep doing it and he's going to do it as long as he possibly can I'm seeing all these articles by these guys

saying he's going to retire at the 22 open and all this stuff he's just He's got a chance to keep playing and he's just going to keep doing it. Well, I think until, like, Rotherlandberger on football, it's so different than golf. It's like, Rotherzberger is being told that, like, he can't compete anymore. Where nobody, like, the golf game hasn't told Tiger or any of those guys that they can't compete at the highest level. And so, like, Ben just physically can't go out there and do it week over week where Tiger, like, we've seen glimpses where you're like, no, he can. And then we've seen these comebacks that are amazing. And so, you know, having that carrot out there is much easier for Tiger because he feels like he can get back onto that, like, the top of the mountain where Ben, there's just no way.

Like, his body's not getting any younger. He's taking physical abuse to the top. And so knowing that, I'm sure, like, those competitive people, like, if Ben thought that he could re-engineer his body or improve or something like that to be a top-level quarterback, I bet you he would keep going. But he's at a point where he clearly can. Yeah, exactly. Tom Brazen playing until 60. Right. I have to imagine Tiger Woods, that back nine on Sunday in 2019 when he won the Masters,

that back like two hours, I imagine for him had to be the single greatest feeling that a human being can feel. It had to be such a rush competing like that after everything, realizing you were in the moment again after everything, watching the leaderboards, hitting the shots, seeing guys hit it in the water, understanding and coming to like the full realization that you can win this golf tournament and then coming up 18 and having that and having Charlie and having all the guys come out with their green jackets. It congratulate him. That had to be such an unbelievable rush and feeling that he wants to chase that now continually forever. And as he got further away from 2008 and winning at the U.S. Open on a broken leg, I imagine that faded a little bit and a little bit. But something inside of him continued to drive him to come back.

This 2019 Masters, that's probably still pretty fresh for that guy. And that's good news for us because I think he, knowing exactly like you guys are saying, that there's nothing preventing him other than himself from going out there and posting low scores at golf tournaments, that he's just in another constant battle with himself. He thinks he can win that battle. And he's chasing that feeling from 2019 that I imagine that's all he wants to do. Yeah, he wants to be with his family and kids. But outside of that, when they're at school all day,

or when they're with their mom or wherever, whenever he doesn't and can't pretty much spend time with them, what else is he going to do other than work on becoming a best golfer he could possibly be so he can win another master's? 100%. I want to start normalizing using mommy and daddy in conversation. Why? Why? Let me ask you why.

If Riggs would have just done that whole thing, which was amazing, and it got me jacked up for Tiger, and he would have been like, so that these kids with their mommies and dad, Daddy's just would have been funny. That would have made me chuckle. I think of you want to laugh in this life. Unfortunately, I think if you normalize it, it becomes less funny. Like if you only drop it here and there, when you casually use it and no one else is casually using it, then you're going to get laughs and weird looks.

But if everybody's saying Mommy and Daddy, then I don't think you're going to get laughs. But I think you should start working it into conversation. I do. I'm going to. And just, well, yeah, you actually just didn't. It made me laugh. Well, last night, someone I hadn't seen. in a while who is on

my roller hockey team he just played his first game the other night he goes he goes oh how's mom and dad and I just I wish he would have said how's mommy and daddy and it would have cracked me up dude I'm going to start using that when I don't see someone for a long time hey it's a good perverted laugh like if you drop

a hey how's mommy and daddy it brings a perverted side of the conversation that in is good humor it just makes the person feel like a child and it puts you in the driver's seat oh how's mommy and daddy you still living at home You know what I mean? Something like that.

It's good. You should lead. We do interviews, Frankie. You should just lead with that. So, hey, like, welcome to the show. Kevin. Like, how's mommy and daddy? Just she was said.

No, I think you're going to, I'm going to slip it in there in an interview for sure. You're going to further separate yourself from society. Society is going to stop interacting with you if you continue to do that. Okay. This brings up a good question, though. And I've had this debate pretty recently. It was around Christmas. Do you guys,

use mommy and daddy in like regular your regular vocabulary when you're talking with your siblings, right? Like if you don't ever, so it's always mom and dad for you guys. So if you say, like, where's my, your sister or something will never say, where's mommy or where's daddy at? And she'll, wow. See, we do. I don't know if that's exposing too much, but for some reason, my sisters will always say,

like, oh, have you seen mommy today? And I said, no. It just seems normal to me. I might not. All right. Okay. I would never say it to them, though. It's always to the siblings.

We do, we don't do that. And I don't want to shame you for that because if that's something you and your siblings do, that's fine. We do, we do mom and pa. We say we're mom and pa. Yeah. I say mom and pops. Yeah. We just say mom and dad.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I'm sure. Frankie, do you feel exposed? I don't because I don't because I know there's people out there that do it. They're saying, hey, how's mommy and daddy? If you're broken to mommy?

It's more of like, I guess it's my sisters. I guess my sisters do it. I don't know. There's just something, mommy is like they'll say that. You see mommy today, sis? I don't want to shame it because the relationship you have with their siblings is, is sacred. So whatever you guys say to each other, I think is fine. Yeah, I guess it would seem normal to me where they're like, where I say, well, where is

everyone? And she would go, well, mommy's at the store. Well, if you look at your sister and. say, man, I really need to see mommy? That just sounds like that. I wouldn't do that though. See, it's in certain situations. It's weird, but it's definitely more normalized amongst siblings for me than it is.

I would never say to them, mommy. You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't say, or I need to see mommy. That just doesn't land right. I wouldn't pick up the phone and say hi, mommy, ever. Okay. Hey, mom, that's what it is. It's more, where is mommy?

That's, yeah. That's better. Sorry. I'm sorry. Am I getting kicked out of this room, bug? Oh, yeah. I'm getting kicked out, so I might have to leave you guys. You guys can keep going, but I think I got to bounce.

Who's kicking you out right now? I think mush the line is coming in. Okay. Yeah, they're live too, so I think. Yeah. Out of respect for the pod studio scheduling, I think I got it. Do you want to drop and then open it back up when you go to a room? Maybe.

I don't have my mic or anything, so it's going to be jarring to the listener. Drop, but yeah. me and you you can just drive me we've got an hour and ten of Trent daddy right now I mean don't know how much longer we'll go here it's a you know bleak just a couple things I'd like to talk about oh he wants to do his yay and nay thing try you can't stick around for that come on man I'll try to get a mic can you find a mic and go to a different room I'll try to jump into another room yeah I'll cares about the listeners with jarring come on they're fun they've been to enough they're going to like voice all right I'm out of here for right now

whether it's through a computer or a microphone or... Hopefully I will rejoin you in a couple minutes, yeah. Should be a couple seconds, really. Yeah, it should be quick, man. 35 seconds. Go fast. That's not nice, Trent. People on YouTube saw that.

He's leaving, I have like a little counter when we do this, and it's been an hour, 10 minutes, and 51 seconds. Frankie, quick, there's anything you want to say about Trent before he jumps back in? He's got to get his heart rate way down. That's a problem for all of us. And then he also needs to... Oh, there he is. I'm done.

You're talking shit? I knew it. No, I'm not talking shit. All right. You officially are starting at the 10 second mark. Let's see how long it takes him. It's going to be a bug. He's talking.

Oh, he's walking around. He's wasting his time now. So there's one thing that we did have to talk about on the show is Tim Rosafort, who passed away, who I was thinking about. He was all over anybody who files any golf stuff. Obviously, everyone was chiming in. We didn't know him. We never had him on the show or spoke about it. But that guy was as.

synonymous with any golf, you know, Golf Central, live from all of that coverage, whenever they would get into analysis and reporting insider. He was Mr. like TV insider. It was always, they would just cut to Tim Roseport. He would have a quote from Patrick Reed or from Tiger Woods or Tigers Camp or Justin Thomas talking about this shot that he hit or what his preparations like Rory recovering from an injury. He would always have the inside scoop. And he, I think up until a couple years ago, was on Golf Channel. They reported that he battled Alzheimer's for, you know, obviously later stages of his life and ultimately succumbed to that. But again, every single person just saying infinitely nice things.

And one of the things that stuck out to me that a lot of folks were from, you know, everyone that's worked at Golf Channel or in golf media, journalism, golf journalism, which like how friendly and welcoming he was to everyone else in golf journalism, how he was always really encouraging. And we know, like the golf media space can be a ruthless cutthroat world. People get jealous, upset. They try to stifle new talents and new voices that come up. And it sounds like he was just the absolute opposite of that. And again, just insanely welcoming and friendly to people,

which is really all you can be in this life. So just rest and peace to Tim Rose before, synonymous with me getting really into golf in like the mid, early 2000s, high school age, you know, college. And every time you flipped on golf channel, they would just cut to him for, again, 15 years, it feels like, that I was getting really into golf. So super sad news and that we'd be crazy if we didn't mention him. Yeah. Totally.

Yeah. Alzheimer's is one of the worst, honestly. I just feel so bad for he, his family, and just that stuff. But, yeah, he was, he was always the face of, like, cutting news, like, you know, any sort of insight. It was him. So, yeah, rest and peace. I mean, he had, he was made golf better for all of us. So, very sad.

It was cool seeing some of the clips, old school clips, when he had like a beard and we had kind of some hair and he was like, because clearly the role again that I knew was that he had sort of the Scott Van Pelt look with the glasses and the shaved head. I got the shaved head and like seeing kind of him and pictures of him in like the master's media center and I guess his writing. Right. Like I didn't consume a ton of his writing. So like there's a lot of that that I saw people highlighting that I went. back to it was looking at because again it was like a lot of the stuff that that I consumed of his was was the 10 15 years when he was the tv inside scoop golf insider they would always cut to like our

our you know rosy our inside our our golf insider and he again would have a quote from somebody or whatever um so it's cool to like the different phases of his life but he didn't just he wasn't just born that role he did a lot of other stuff before he got to that that i've been kind of going through combing through and that side of golf and i mean he grew up in in golf terms There was been a time when, like, that was the only way you could consume anything from golf media standpoint. There wasn't us. There wasn't podcasting. There wasn't the different avenues.

There wasn't even, like, you know, golf, golf central and that, the type of medium that there is now for people to consume golf. It was pretty much like you had a handful of your writers that you would read. And that's how you got your information outside of just watching it. So, oh, Trent has returned from the chicks in the office studio. It was about. Do you guys hear me? Yep. We can.

Okay, great. It was about three minutes and 50 seconds, if I did that right? That's pretty good. It sounds right. Sounds pretty good. All the, you okay with that time or no? Yeah, I'm okay with all the other, the little rooms that we have in Barcelona. Nobody's going to know what I'm talking about.

But they're all filled, so I jumped in the chick's room and I'm here. What are we doing? Well, we just did a quick tribute to Tim Roosevelt, who obviously you saw, I mean, everybody saw the news yesterday. So we were just talking about how he was synonymous with us watching and any golf coverage for the last, like, 15 years. Absolutely. That news was stunning and shocking and sad. He was great. I loved him every time he popped up on Golf Channel or anywhere. Just super sad and super unexpected. Those ones are always just, they really hit you in a different way. Yeah, especially when you find out that they were battling something as bad as Alzheimer's. You saw this with Chadwick-Boswin.

He had cancer and no one knew about it. And one of the worst cancers he could have and he's doing Black Panther and it's just he's acting and you're watching him and getting entertainment and enjoying him and you want him to have this amazing career and all these movies and you're like this career for this guy's going to be insane and then one day is just gone

and you have no idea how that happened or why it happened and you find out that he didn't want anyone to know and so yeah it's amazing that stuff like that and people like that they don't like to get the sympathy like you know for him for both these guys they didn't

promote you know as much as like you'd think when you're going through something like that you'd want everyone to just feel bad for you and the whole golf world should have we all should have been talking about it like oh like get better and all this things and he just kind of battles it on his own and it's uh there's definitely there's a lot of there's a lot of guts to do something like that and shows the kind of person you are that you just want to make you don't want to make it about yourself and you kind of just want to keep plowing ahead yeah there's been a couple like that norm macdonald was recently too the same way it was just like it's just like it It happens all of a sudden and right. They're doing these private, quiet battles. And then it makes it all the more shocking when the news yesterday came out. So just really sad, really tragic stuff, unfortunately. Yeah. Rosie was awesome.

Obviously, never forget him. And again, go consume some of his reports and some of the great videos of him that are going out. Some of his writing phenomenal because he was one of the best. So rest of peace, very, very sad news. All right. I got a little segment I would like to do, which, again, is, A little yay or nay, I got just a handful of things that I listed. And each person go around and say basically yes or no, if they think that this is going to happen.

I'm going to start with, will Tiger Woods play in four or more tournaments this year? Yay. Nay. You don't think he plays in all the majors, at least? No. He does not play in the Masters. Wow. I'm a yay.

Hard year. I think he plays in the U.S. Open and the Open. I don't think he plays in the PGA. I'll take the number is six. Wow. Oh, wow. I'm saying yay, because I do think, I do think he'll play in all the majors.

And even if he doesn't play in the Masters, I think he works another one in there somewhere. Right, to warm up. I think he plays sawgrass. It's really close for me. I originally had it at like, I had it like three and a half. We'll do the three and a half.

And I was like, no, four, because the majors. I'm going to say, but I don't feel great about it. I think that he might sit a few of the majors out. I do think he plays Augusta, but again, I could see him, whether it's weather-related or whatever, sitting out a British Open or...

Who knows? I just, I could see, or, you know, he has a setback or whatever, so I don't feel awesome about it, but I am going to say, yay. This one is a little different because I know somebody picked him for one of them, but I'm going to say simply, will John Rom win a major this year?

Oh, yay. Yay. That guy's on top of the world. His golf game is preposterous. Yeah. I mean, you would seem crazy, as crazy as it sounds to say this, that he's not going to win a major. When winning a major is an incredibly difficult thing to do. But when you watch this guy play, even at a place like Capului, he didn't win, but he was right there, clearly.

And he's just, in terms of golf, even how fluid that is, and you never know how much. good you're going to be week to week. John Rom feels like about as good of a bet as you can get. Dude, we talked about him prior to Capulua, how he's the best player on the planet. The guy's nails doesn't ever have a bad day on the golf course. He showed up to Capulua. After taking two months off.

He didn't play for two months. Tied the course record with a 61 minutes after JT did it and then finished 32 under par, barely missed winning the tournament. I mean, that was our first time seeing John Robb, since we've been talking about how amazing is, and he just, he went 32 under par. So, I mean, at the end of the day,

this guy's not going to stop winning. He's not going to stop playing amazing golf. When he plays, he plays amazing. Yeah, I'm going to say, yay. Again, it might be reasoncy bias. Like, I think a week ago for as stupid and illogical as that is a week ago, I don't know that I would have said yes. But he's the best player in the world,

and he showed up and, like he said, just shot 32 under par. It seems like, looking at it right now, it seems like you have to say, yay. but as you guys start at the beginning, like it's, in any given year, it's really unlikely that any one player just wins a major. It's really, really unlikely,

no matter how good they are. So it feels like it should be an obvious yes. Statistically, it's probably an obvious no, but then I'm going to say yes and yay as well. The way I would look at it is he's in one of those windows where when you look at John Rom, you think at some point in his career, he is going to rack up a bunch of wins,

majors, regular tour events, whatever. And there's going to be those windows where he's just insanely good. And I think he was in that window last year. And I think he's continuing that window right now. So you've got to think in this window, he's going to get at least one, maybe two. Again, statistically seems unlikely. But you watch him play golf and you're like,

this guy is easily the best player on the planet with a guy like Colin Morcawa, who is also on this planet playing golf. And John Rahm is better than it. His stats are ridiculous last year. He entered 22 events, made the cut 21 times, was the top 10, 15 times of those 21 or 22 events. Like, those are outrageous stats. And then if you bake it back one more, he was top 25, 18 of those 22 events.

So like, the guys are freak in terms of what he brings. Like, he's, I would say, I would love to know what the line is, the Vegas line on Will John Rom when a major. I would bet it's somewhere close to like even money. I bet it's like minus 120 even. You think it's a favorite. So you think it's better chance that he will than won't. Yeah, because I think with those types of bets, I think that the house knows how it's similar to like when Tiger used to be like a one-to-one guy.

Right. The house knows that people are going to be kind of emotional about it because of how good he's been for the last year, that they could get away with skewing it a little bit more towards a favorite. I don't know. I think that's tough. I think because each one, when he's a favorite, he's like still plus 350 plus 400, right?

Going into a tournament, you're telling me combining all four and you think it's going to be minus 150 to just win one? No, minus 120 or minus 110, which is pretty much a pickum. I guess, yeah, if you went into, like, because I agree, Frankie, like, he's usually between like plus 300 to plus 600, I feel like, for most majors. So if you just went in and did a parlay with those same odds to a different, you know, just found some odds where, you know, four different games were plus 300 to win. I'd be interested to know what that comes down to because I do agree, like, that's about

where it is to see if he would win one of them. But I can't think that it's minus. Either way, the guy's a freak and I'm very much bullish on one major this year out of him. Will Patrick Reed have a cheating scandal? Oh, God. Nay. Nay. It won't be a, nothing's going to be a scandal with him anymore.

I mean, what? No, he, no, I'm going to say no. I'm going to say yay, because he is the kind of guy, and this might not be the right way to view it, where trouble finds him. One would argue that he finds trouble. But for whatever reason, these things gravitate towards him, just like headlines gravitate towards Tiger.

Weird scandal situations on a golf course seem to find Patrick Reed. for whatever reason. And I think it, I think it's undeniable that it'll likely happen again. I'm going to say, yay, I'm going to say yay, I think it happens.

I think Trent's right. I don't know. I think the combination of there's a microscope on him, people hate him, people want to, you know, attack him and expose him for stuff. So they just zoom in on every little thing that he does.

There's a Pruder film. And I think he can't help himself. I think he kind of enjoys it to a degree. I really do in a sick fuck kind of way. So I think yay. And I was thinking like they're the Torrey Pines was last year, right? When he had the incident with Tiger or not Tiger with the, when Roy did the same thing with the ball and the relief and all that.

Yeah, that was last year. So it's been like less than a year since he had one. And then the one, the year before that, it was like he had the Hero World Challenge thing with the, but so it's like, I think about every year, it feels like something happened. So I think we might be due and we have a whole other basically almost full 12 months for him to do it. So I think he's going to do it. I just think he's not the Patrick Reed that he was even last year or two years ago. He's not his personality. I mean, like, he left off the Ryder Cup.

It's just, I don't know that the microscope's going to be on Patrick Reed with all these other golfers. I think Patrick Reed was a different Patrick Reed last year, two years ago. There's just something, like, I just don't think he moves the needle as much as we want him to because there's so much other good stuff going on in golf that we don't need, we don't need the Patrick Reed being Patrick Reed to make. golf interesting right now. I just don't think we're going to look for it. It's almost not up to that. It's almost up to places he finds stuff on a golf course. Yeah, but like it's been like a year since he did the last one and like he would argue that like he didn't do anything wrong at that point, even though it finds, you know what I mean? Like I would assume with less eyeballs on him,

he should be able to make it through the year just like he did in 2021 essentially for the whole year. Like we just didn't, I haven't thought about Patrick Green until he just left off the Ryder Cup team. Yeah, but if you ask like a golf fan about Pat. Patrick Reed, you'd be like, what's the first thing that comes to mind when we think about Patrick Reed? It would likely be a cheating scandal. Totally. Yeah. He's got like three or four of them.

That stigma or whatever hasn't gone away. Yeah, I think he was in the brighter lights. Frankie, I think, like, Patrick Reed's always, I feel like he's gone dormant and then he's had great results. You know, so if he matches that early on, like, he's always played, you know, really well at Augusta. Like, if he has a good outcome there, he brings himself right back into the limelight. And then all of a sudden, you know, God forbid it's another president's club where he like moves a bunch of dirt and then hits the ball. Whatever the case happened, you know, figure out what use golf act said. But like that all of a sudden it's just bang.

Like that, I think it's really just a switch. Like if something happens and it's on film, he still could be almost about to make the cut. And Patrick Reed's enough of a name brand where it's like, that's a light switch. Things are back on and people hate this guy. Yeah, I just think he can't help it. I think he can't help it. I think it's just what he does. I think he has to do it.

He won the farmers, right? I'm not the same. Yes. Yeah, he was playing well. Like we're just saying, he was playing well. That's what I mean. It comes with him being in the spotlight. He almost gets, he almost gets cheating yips,

where the spotlight's on him and he's like, oh, fuck. A heavy turrity. And it's just, and he just does something. I'm with Riggs. Will Trent Ryan break 90? Oh, it's about to get real in here. I'm going to go last. I'm going to go first.

I say yay, and I'm probably the most confident yay that I have. Yeah, I think it's a no doubt. I've seen him. He should have broke 90 the day he shot 95. Lurch is not. Lurch is trying to find a yay. He's trying to find a yay in there, but he also wants to be honest. I mean, if we're going for the path of honesty here,

T, how committed are you playing a bunch of golf this year? Very committed. Is there any goals in place of how many rounds? that you're trying to get this year? No, I haven't thought about a number. It's not the answer that Lurch wanted. No, I'm going to, like, if you put in the work, you can do it, but I think that you're going to play about the same,

you're going to go on these trips, I'm a nay. Fuel my fire, baby. Fuel my fire. I'll be that ugly mug here that's saying that. But I'm putting it up there. I'm putting, I'm putting, Lurch doesn't believe in me on my billboard. No, no, no, that's not it. No, I'm saying,

due to the current situation, you're not going to do it. Now, if those change, if we've got market changes, then yes. Well, I'm giving myself a yay because I, not only do I trust myself, I trust my guy John Tilleri. I know I can't wait to start working with him again, and I know, you know, congrats to him. His dog's just won the title. He'll be in great spirits the next time I see him,

although Jake Bass, Alabama fan will probably be with us, so that'll be odd. But I think once I get back in the mode, and Tillery's going to be excited because we have I haven't spent really much time at all together since I broke 100. So when I go down there, it's going to be good vibes. We're going to get back on the grind. And then to Lurch's point, I am going to try to play as much as I can, as much as New York

City affords or the trips that we go on to Ford. And I think if we get back in a rhythm, playing pretty consistently, practicing a five-iron consistently, I see sub-90 in my future, for sure. I see it in your game 100%. It's just like if you go out and play, I don't know, 15 to 20 times. this year. Yeah. It's going to be tough. Would you shoot when he broke a 90? You shot 95? I mean, he broke 100. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he made it eight on the first hole or seven

on the first hole. So there, there were a lot of blowups to at Garden City that day that if you really go back and see how dumb some of the decisions were that we made and we just got away from us and bad drives or whatever. I mean, that's an 88, 89 with a couple good, it's going to take a couple long pots and a couple good chips, which it does for all of us when we're trying to score low, but I think it's going to happen. I think he's going to get to a point where mid-90s are the average round for him, where he's playing well, just getting off the T, hitting greens, getting out of bunkers is the biggest thing.

We can't have the 11s. If we eliminate the 8s to 11s, he's breaking 90. One of my favorite stories of T was we didn't see him for five holes that Bethpage Black, it felt like. And I was like, T, what did you, what happened in those last couple holes? And those were in the days where you captain, maybe you still do. you keep all your scores on your phone. So you go into the notes app or something like that and put it.

And you were like, yeah, I just had like a 12 and 11 and a 13 and then maybe a 10. And I was like, oh, boy. Yeah, I was looking at, I got the 95 scorecard from Garden City on my refrigerator and I'll sometimes just be standing there looking at it. And on the back, I think I made three triple bogeys in a row. And vibes were fucking low. And like, Frankie and I were like, we're once again out here and today is not the day. And then I mixed in a bogey, I think a couple pars. And so if I can just clean up the runs where I just triple bogey after triple bogey,

then I think we're in a really good spot because Frankie's right. If I had just played a little bit better at Garden City that day, that could easily have been an 89. Breaking 90s is bogey golf. So we play bogey golf and we mix in a par. We mix in two pars. Then we have a double boge. Game five. Right.

You're able to just do that. And we're going to find that line where you make two or three, maybe you make a burgy. On a par three, you're actually sick on that. these 145 yard part 3s, you hit it to four feet, we make a birdie, now we make a triple on the next hole, we're right back to the game of five. We're fine. We're going to be okay. We're going to break 90. T's game is there to break 90. I'm more just saying how much is he going to play to do it because like I, I mean, he hits the baby cuts down the middle. Like there's, like I'm bullish on that side. It's just how much is he going to play? Well, the trend that I see

is that Frankie is already committing a lot more. He's out there hitting balls all the time. You guys got a great little connection. You guys seem to rally each other when it comes to playing golf around the New York area. So I think Frankie is going to be playing a lot more. He's into it this year. I think that's going to make Trent be into it a lot more. I see you guys playing a lot more golf, especially once spring starts to break. We got more trips coming and all that. You're going to get fired up once we go to the kingdom when we get fitted for our new tailor-made gear. So I think all that's going to trend towards Trent playing and committing to more golf. We know the game's in there. So that combination, I think Trent's going to shoot like 86 one day. I think he's going to

to like blow it out of the water. Hell yeah. That's going to be so much fun to watch because that would be real golf. 95 was real golf, but there was three triple bogeys. He started off with a seven or an eight. I can't remember what it was.

86 puts you in like the top 10% of golfers. Like, you know what I mean? People say that like they're good. Oh, you guys suck. It's like, dude, 86 is real golf. Yeah. Yeah. It's so hard to make pars.

Like, think about how hard it is to make a par. You have to stand up there, hit a ball like two to three football fields in the air into a narrow spot then that's just one now you got to go take what looks like the upside down version of a fucking knife and then hit a ball that's like two inches wide onto a tiny little surface and then there's a hole that's the size of a fucking cup that you have to like roll this ball into like a circular hole and that's just once you got to try to do that 18 fucking it's impossible it was funny i was doing that i was doing that simulator last night and they give you we didn't do the um gimmee putts we just did auto putt so that we can

kind of get through it and sometimes it just decides if it's a one putter or a two putt and that it's pretty funny at one point i was four over through like 11 holes and it was just giving me these auto two putts from i was hitting these greens for sure but giving me an auto two putt from 45 feet away and i was just laughing being like they're i'm in real life um yeah eight over through these 11 holes even just because of me three putting at least half of these that they're giving me the two putts on. So the game is impossible, and it's very funny to watch how much better we'd be

if we just were competent around the greens because I was just had, all I had to do was get it on the dance floor, and it was giving me a part. I got a bunch of messages yesterday when I said my goals is to hit better drives. People were like, are you even a human being? Like, if you could just put the ball,

you'd be way bad. How is that not a goal for you going in the next year? Which is very fair. It's valid. Those are valid points. Yeah. I've almost like to Frankie's like chipping issues. It's like I've almost given up on putting for at least until I feel like I'm really

dialed with everything else and then I'll think about that again. Riggs brings up a good point about PAR because par is the golf course has decided this is what you're supposed to do potentially. And I've never done what I'm supposed to do on a golf course. And that is that's what's scary to me because they're like, all right, you're supposed to make, you can make a four here. competent somewhat competent golfer can make a four here or a three here and i just feel like that's scary to me because i i don't know if i'm able to do that so i got to get over some mental hurdles as

well but i think the game is there i think it'll happen i do think the biggest thing that i've learned and all the golf that i've played or who knows if it's right or wrong but it's just what i've learned is that like you should be able to get to a point where making bogey is pretty easy that's like right like you can hit a pretty shitty drive and be like okay i can still find out how to to make a pretty easy bogey. I can slap one up there within 60 yards of the green. I can wedge one into the middle of the green. I can two putt or maybe even have a chance for a par. In worst case, I can make a pretty easy bogey. And then when you're playing even pretty shitty, if you can string together a bunch of pretty like easy bogeys. And then when you're playing well, mix in a good handful of

pars, all of a sudden you're kind of in the low to mid 80s and that's not that bad. And then like, if you get a little bit better than that, you can be in the high 70s. You play a little bit worse than that. You might be in 90 low 90s, but like if you can just kind of, I feel like get the mindset of making pretty easy bogeys or learning that like bogies pretty easy to make, great. Doubles fucking suck. When you make a double bogey, you're just like, ugh. Like that's just so demoralizing. And I think we all know that. Whereas bogey, you're like, all right, some bad shots there.

Made a bogey. No big deal. Let's keep rolling. So that's sort of like the mindset that I've tried to get into. It might be a loser's mindset. Like you probably should want to get to a point where like par is pretty easy. But I think bogey being pretty easy is kind of a good goal. Agreed.

Yeah. I like that. It's tricky. Because, like, I mean, for me, yeah, just putting. Like, then you're kind of guaranteed two putts. Like, once you're on the damn green. But, like, I got to get there soon in order to ensure that I can make a par or a bogey. Because I just don't need to get ahead quickly.

Right. I get, like, if we're playing a match and we're on the green at the same time, I'm going to lose that in, like, a bad way. and so that's that's why I'm talking about like driver and irons because i think if i can up my level precision with those then i've got a better chance of like kind of leveling the playing field with with pars and bogies because you know there's a good chance i have an 18 footer and i leave it four and a half feet short and it's like now what do we do do the guys at the tailor made shoot when we were over by the putting green checking out a bunch of their new putters and lurch

leaned his up against like the bag that held the putters and one of them just came over to me grabbed it and just goes, he doesn't actually use this thing, does he? I was like, yeah. And they were like, how is this putting? And I was like, well, I mean, what do you think? And they're like, Jesus Christ. That guy, Bucky comes over to me. He's like, dude, this thing is jacked out of its mind.

I don't even know what that means, but I guess it's like off where it should be. And he was like, I got to take this and fix this. He's like, you play with this? I was like, yeah, I don't know. He's like, does it look wrong to you? I was like, no, I don't know. It looks fine. He said it was bent to like a one degree loft.

He said it was like seven feet tall. He's like, there's just no way somebody can roll a ball. Okay, last one for yay or nay and then we're done. Will Tiger Woods break 70 this year in a PGA tour round? Shoot 70 or better? Break 70. Shooting the 60s. Yeah.

450s. I feel like this is, I feel like I'm an idiot right now. Yeah. Yay. No. Yeah. Well, yeah. you hope if he is decided that he's healthy enough to play in an event,

we don't want him out there shooting 71, 72. Yeah, like, yeah, you hope. He's decided he's healthy. I want to see him in the six. So three under one round? Come on, man. Here's my logic is that the only tournaments I think he's probably going to play are going to be hard ones.

It's going to be major championships or maybe players or like the Memorial, which is a really hard golf course. So if we're just saying, saying, like, we didn't even know that he's going to guarantee to start in four events. So now if he's got three to four tournaments and we don't even think he's healthy enough to guarantee that he can play in four or five, I don't think it's a lot that he shows up in his posting scores in the 60s. Now, I'm going to say yay because I'm a big Tiger believer, but I don't know if you put it

on a sports book or something, Will Tiger Woods post a score of the PGA tour in the 60s year? You guys think those odds would be like astronomically favorite that he will break 70? with the idea that he is playing this year it would be astronomically favored that he would break 70 he could play at Bay Hill or fucking sawgrass or something post a 68 and still be in 15th or 20 you know what I mean?

He doesn't even have to be that competitive by shooting three under par if he plays in just a regular tournament to warm up for something I think he can knock himself around St. Andrews no problem and get in the 60s. I mean I think he could do that on one leg

in his sleep. He loves that place he's the best golfer of all time. I'm putting hard. If he is playing this year, hard yay in the 60s. Hard. Yeah. I'm a yay too just because I trust him.

And I trust that he knows when he's going to be ready. And I know he's always said in the past and it's been the thing people talk about where he's like, I'm only playing in a tournament if I think I can win it. That mindset, whether or not he says that's still true, I don't know. But like, if he's playing, he's at least going to be competitive.

He's not just going to go out there, shoot 74, 74 and fly home. I'm a big yay. I'm a yay. This is actually the first time where I've been like, you know, it's a, I would say it's a thoughtful consideration and question, but this is almost anti-woods. This is almost like negative woods out of ricks. Well, I would say that Frankie's saying, like, if he plays,

well, that's part of it, right? Like, if he doesn't play a single tournament this year, then he didn't break 70 in a PJ tour event. So I think all of those considerations, I just don't, I don't, I'm super happy with your guys' answers. I'm glad that everybody thinks it's a no-brainer. I'm obviously a yay. I think I picked him to win the British Open.

So, I mean, unless somebody, unless it's fucking 200 Mount Arr wins the whole time, I'm going to need that guy to post some scores on the 60s. I, you know, I'm glad that this is an obvious one. And I think that it actually has us ending on, like, of course, Tiger Woods, which, I think less than a year ago, that guy was in that mangled car and now we all think it's a no-brainer. He's going to shoot a PJ tour score in the 60s this year.

I love that. Fair. All fair. Before we wrap up, I want to give a shout out to my guy. Pretty decent golfer Colin Morikawa. If you go on his Instagram, well, I don't know if it'll be up by the time you listen to this, but he was doing a little AMA on his Instagram story. And someone says, will you be turning up to more tournaments in suits in 2022?

This needs to take off. He posts a picture of himself at Liberty National and goes not sure yet, should we, at Frankie Borrelli. So, I mean, that guy is just. he's one of a kind Kalamorakawa He tagged four play too He just knows how he just knows what's going on

You can't He was It's like he was made in a lab It's just the nicest guy on the planet Answers all the questions correctly He knows the jokes He knows that to be one of the guys The most competitive person

I think I've ever met And yes I think he should show up with more suits And for anyone that's confused As to why he did that with me That means that you didn't listen To the interview That I was thrown upon

where it was just me and Colin Warcawa talking a little golf in the office. And I came up with the idea that he should show up to every single fucking tournament in a suit. And then he just listened to me and did it at Liberty National. Missed the cut or did he miss the cut that day? Oh yeah, he missed a cut. Missed the cut and then missed a couple cuts after that. And people think it was the curse of the suit. But he's still Colin Warcawa.

I picked him to win the PGA. He's a fucking stud. And I think that that should be his thing. He's just got this James Bond sleek look to him where if he showed up just with a briefcase and a suit, business time. It's going to work. It's going to work more often than not. So he might as well just start the trend now because his game is just going to keep getting better. Let's start the trend right now.

Did you ask that question on his Instagram? No. Okay. I saw that lot when we logged on here for the podcast. I saw it when I was with you guys. I didn't. That was six hours ago, too, when he did it. That's very cool.

That is awesome. That guy's the man. He's just the best. Like you say, he's kind of created in a lab. He'd just say, yeah, yeah, answers speeches are better than anybody's speeches.

He's the best. So, quick, quick tidbit, though, Colin Morikawa, entered 23 events last year, missed the cut only four times. So if you're talking good vibes,

I don't know, if the suit truly helped, but I'd be a buyer in terms of the game. The suit's probably out. I mean, I think he's probably out of the suit. I don't think so. Frankies,

his game is so good that if you sprinkle suits throughout an entire season, that's not going to be the case every time. But yes, it would have been an, it would have been the best storyline ever if you wore the suit and won at Liberty National. It would have been the thing that goes on forever with Kalamorkai wears a suit. Now, he missed the cut, so you could always say you're never doing that again. I just think, all right, the, the amazing, um, dreamlike story is done.

You didn't do it. Let's restart and let's just make it a normal thing that you wear a suit to the golf course. because these guys do want to, it's not just him. I think a lot of guys should do it. They want to show off their style. It doesn't have to be a suit. It doesn't have to be a suit. It can just be a t-shirt and fucking joggers if you want.

I just think it's crazy that these guys show up to golf courses. They show up to their sporting event wearing the thing that they're going to wear on the first D and they're just like driving in the car wearing it. It doesn't make any sense. They're stopping at Starbucks. You see Rory Macquarie in the morning before the U.S. Open. he's just wearing his sport outfit for that day. It doesn't make any sense.

It's not what the other athletes do. They get to show off their personality. They get to do whatever they want. Golfers are like... More Tiger Woods literally wears a red fucking shirt in the parking line. He's one miscut suit-wearing tournament away from he's never wearing a suit again. Yeah. Maybe we switch it up.

Maybe the next time it's a parka or something. I don't know. I disagree with that. I think Colin clearly likes the idea enough that he wants to, he wants to bring it back despite missing the cut at Liberty. Yeah, I agree with that. He wants that. He wants it to go out on a positive if it goes out. He misses another cut

wearing a suit. You think he's going back for a third time? Yeah. You do? I think that's... I don't know. I don't know that it's a lock. I don't know that it's a lot. He's competitive enough that he's like, I want to make this suit work. Overcome Suitgate? Yeah. But do we know how superstitious he is? Right. He might be a little too stitious for that. We'll see.

I hope he gives it another shot. Maybe do it out like He will. He should join John Deere or something. Yeah, where he can just dominate. Just get a W under our belt. Also, it's also up to the broadcast to make it a thing. Because, yeah, the NBA, like the NBA has clearly done it better than every other league

where these guys show their personality with what they wear to the arena. And they always have the camera walking them in from the underground parking lot or whatever. So Golf Channel, NBC or CBS, whoever. has the coverage has to be on that as well. I don't know that he can wear a suit to the John Deere. I mean, that's... Wear some overalls. Have a little strike coming to his mouth.

That would be awesome. Yeah. I said that as well. I said that each tournament should be a different style, right? Liberty National was a suit because it was New York City. It was business. He was taking the ferry from the financial district. There was a reasoning for it.

You know, I'm not opposed to him showing up to another. tournament with the style of that. You know, maybe it's a Miami tournament and he wears like a Miami Vice outfit or you don't just a little pizzazz you're looking for. It doesn't have to be a suit. Just a little pizzazz. Let's see your personal out a little bit. Right.

Stop showing up and the thing you're going to tee off it. Yeah. It's so weird. It's so weird. I mean, it's a little bit different though because in those sports like that you're talking about, they're putting on, it's a central location where all their gear, all their stuff is, NBA, NHL. They go in the locker room, though.

NFL, no, I know, but it's just for that weekend. Like, that changes every week over the year. So it's a little different, but I, yeah. Really, dude, the fucking company, Taylor made sending the hat to the locker and Peter Malar sending the shirts that they have to wear for the week. Like, that stuff could just be in the locker. You can wear whatever you want to that locker. You don't have to, it doesn't have to be sent to your Airbnb for the week and you have to get changed in it.

I think it's a little different in that, like, golf clothes are also like polos and pants, which people just wear around. Like you don't wear a jersey, a football jersey, like in the, like, I think people wear polos and pants. It's going to take effort. It's going to, you've got to change the game. Yeah, there's people out there like lurch and rigs that are going to be opposed to it, and that's fine.

I'm not opposed to it. I'm just saying it's a little bit. You know, wear pants and polos and you think. You even think through one of Francis's idea and you don't think it's bizarre. He's upset. I think it's bizarre that you could possibly walk into a Starbucks and watch Rory Macro order a venti latte. in his bright yellow polo and his nice Nike golf pants.

And then 10 minutes later, check on Twitter. And he's just teeing off in a professional event to win $10 million. I think that's strange. I just think that there's no personality there. I think he's just a walking poster boy, even on the days that he's not at a fucking golf event. It's just let him be a person. We're literally just thinking through the idea.

We're not against it by any. We're just literally doing it. You know that you're against it. We're going to, yes. I'm letting you know where you stand. It also could be an opportunity for these, their clothing brands that they wear on the golf course to get into the casual wear.

Totally. And they can outfit them do two separate out. Lifestyle brand. Lifestyle brand. All right, this is the outfit you're going to wear to the golf course. And then this is the uniform you're going to change into when you play golf. You can hit both. Yep.

I like the idea. We were just talking through it. I'm glad we got to talk through it. That was fun. Birch. Gets the idea and doesn't think I'm going to break 90. It's a sad day. That's right.

That's right. It's an ugly day for me. Frankie, tell me where I stand on everything. You're just negative. Negative Nancy. Oh, my God. That's a perfect close. How do you think Trent's not going to break 90? That's insane.

So, wait, we're not going to redo the whole thing. He's not going to play enough. I know. All right, boys. I think that's all we got.

Give a big smile before we go. Let's see those dimples before. I'm looking at this. I got this hyper-ice thing. I'm just going to absolutely crush my muscle. I don't like that came from under the table. I'll be honest. I wish that came from.

Here. This is on top of the table. All right. All right, boys. I hope everybody has a lovely weekend. It was really nice to talk to you guys, talk through a lot of things per usual. We'll be back on Tuesday.

We got a little Sony open, little Hawaiian golf. On Friday, so tomorrow, people are listening, we are going to release the 2022 Barstool Classic schedule, and we're going to release where the championship's going to be and all that information. And then I believe Wednesday, January 26th, at noon Eastern Standard Time is when registration will

go live for the 22 Barstool Classic. So a lot of people ask me about that. That's our schedule as of now. Friday, release the schedule, January 26th, Wednesday at noon, registration begins. They usually sell it in five to ten minutes, so people will need to be ready for that. Other than that, have a lovely weekend.

Everybody stay safe, hug your loved ones. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. All right. So we've got information on the PGA Tour Netflix documentary that's series, that's similar, you know, based off of Formula One. Drive to Survive, which we talked about a lot on the show.

That just broke after we finished recording, so we obviously have to talk about it. Phenomenal cast of characters, phenomenal, long, 22 players. Frankie, you read them to us earlier. Would you like to read again the players who will be participating in an official capacity? Yeah, so Netflix, Drive to Survive, we're all excited. 22 pros, including also has the number one ranked amateur. Keita Nakajima is going to be in there. And five of the top seven players on the planet are going to be.

participating in this. And some of the names I'm going to read off are going to be very exciting for us. I mean, these are our guys, and it seems like they're taken from the foreplay pool a little bit, which is nice because these guys have amazing personality. So Abraham Answer, Daniel Berger, Cameron Champ, Joel Damon, Tony Fienow, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Tommy Fleetwood, Ricky Fowler, Sergio Garcia, Harry Higgs, Max Homa, Victor Hovlin, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Keppka, Colin Morikawa Kevin Nah Mito Perriette

Oh fuck Perea Perea I'm sorry Mito Oh my God Ian Poulter Zander Shafley

Jordan Spieth Justin Thomas And Bubba Watson rounds out the list Those are some big names in there guys It's fucking exciting that they're gonna I don't know how they're going to cover

all those guys playing But it looks like It's very exciting I mean from the From the Formula One you know They did such a good job with that of, yeah, there's a bunch of characters. There's obviously 20 drivers.

There's a bunch of heads of the different teams. And they did sort of segmented focus on each one. I imagine they'll do something similar. Something that stuck out to us was they said, you know, we do not, this is the PJ Tour spokesperson saying we do not have editorial control. We will be involved in the extent that Netflix and the producers have the access, they need to film in our events. We want them to make a great show. And we all agree the documentary needs to be as authentic as possible.

Huge the tour does not have editorial control because, as we all know, the tour protects everybody to an extent to a degree that's infuriating to many. It says the production team will have complete rights to film at events and use broadcast footage from competition, which will make it really cool that they can mix all that in with a lot of the behind-the-scenes scene stuff. And then in terms of the major championships, it also said for the first time ever, the PGA tour and the governing bodies that conduct men's major championships, Augusta National Golf Club, PGA of America, the USGA and the RNA will. provide entry into the sports biggest events. So they're going to have major coverage as well, which I believe was one of the late hurdles.

And then there are a handful of, you know, very notable names that were not included in that list of 22 and a pretty good note that they put in a lot of this coming from our guy, Dylan DeCher at golf.com put in that just because players aren't listed in those 22, they can still appear in the show. They might see that these guys are getting all kinds of coverage. It might be helping them with the PIP, whatever, and decide to be more involved than they thought they would be. So it's not that those guys are out.

Phil, Tiger, a few other names in there. So, Bryson, overall, I mean, I think this is fantastic news. It's amazing. It's so I think they're trying to model it obviously after Drafts to survive. So they'll film in 2022 and try and push hard for the 2023 season, I'm assuming. So that'll be really exciting. The fact that this is off and running, it's actually happening. Augusta National behind the scenes, watching guys show up to fucking Augusta.

Augusta will be insane if they show that stuff and all the stuff that goes behind the scenes and all the stress and all the anxiety that goes about leading that goes into stepping up to the first tee at a major I hope we see everything. There was one source that says that everything that I've experienced so far is that the tour is fully invested in making this the realest possible reality. So them not having any of that control and just opening up the doors to these guys is insane. I know Netflix, you know, with us as media members quote unquote we're always held by our hand when we kind of go to those places where they're like you can't go here you can't walk there you can't interview this guy you can interview that guy Netflix obviously has a better um you know reputation I guess when it comes to

getting stuff crazy like amazing amazing documentaries so the fact that they're like all right we'll give you guys as much access as we've ever given anyone ever is at least somewhat um it makes me feel good that the PJ tour is going in the right place. Maybe more media companies will get access to that kind of access granted because they've been the worst when it comes to all that stuff in the past. And the fact that they're doing this is, I mean, night and day from what they usually do, which is awesome to see. Yeah, it's kind of everything we've always wanted. We always preach on this show that there's interesting personalities on the PJ tour. We know that. Maybe they're not the biggest names in the world. Like, I think Joel Damon being on that list is super

important. He is going to be exposed to such a massive audience with this Netflix documentary that people are going to see like, oh, I really like Joel Damon. He's obviously a professional golfer that I maybe hadn't heard of before. But man, he's funny. He's relatable. He's down to earth. He has a good sense of humor. He's just one of the guys. Max Homa, another one. Like having names like that, obviously having the big names like DJ and Ricky and those other names that you listed, having them on there, it'll be great to get a peek into their lives because they're just larger than life and it'll be cool to see what they're like behind the scenes. But I think highlighting some of the lesser known guys who we know have great personalities,

it's just going to make the pool of people that are interesting on the PJ tour bigger. More people tune in to see a Joel Damon, a Max Homa, an Abraham answer. And I think that's just great for the game of golf. And if you just model it after a drive to survive, we all watch that show. We all know how amazing it is. You don't let the PJ tour cut stuff that they otherwise wouldn't want. put out there. You just had this great mix and this great look into a sport that I don't think are enough eyeballs on certain aspects of it and certain guys that we know have great personalities.

So the whole thing is great. And personally, just as a golf fan, I can't wait to see what they come away with. And Damon in DeChares article on golf.com says, I've never had anything like this before, unlike some of these other guys, I'm not used to having cameras around me all the time. And as for his role, he says, I know that I'm going to be on the show with a bunch of good golfers and me, which is such a Joel Damon quote. He says, I can't, I can assume that based off the other people on the show, meaning the top five of the, five of the top seven players on the planet are going to be in it,

based off those guys, they'll probably want a little bit more of the fun from our day to day of life, although I also don't want to be the class clown who's never practicing or being productive between myself and Gino, the shit we do on a day-to-day basis, we should be able to strike that balance. So that's just Joel being Joel and he's probably really nervous about it because like he said, he's never had that kind of limelight on him, but he's going to knock it out of the park because we've seen him and he's going to be amazing. And there's also, I mean, one thing, right, we're all talking about the positives and it's

going to be fun. There's going to be some negative shit. Like if you remember from Drive to Survive, dude, there's fucking bad moments where people are pissed to each other. People save. Almost fist fights. Like there's going to be people caught on camera that do not have editorial control of things of them roasting guys that's going to like ruin and hurt relationships. It's going to maybe reveal

like somebody is candid about an incident where they weren't fully into the rule or who knows what's going to come up. But like we, I feel like people are sort of glossing over that like this is going to unearth some negative shit too, which as we all know, news and media and the internet loves to harp on negative shit. So that's going to get some eyeballs and some ears from this thing for sure. Love it. Yeah, I was going to say, like, we talk about the PIP on the show a lot and how they put in that clause where this only, it's only factors in positive things. And we're like, you've got to get rid of that negative clause because that negative shit, for better or worse, whatever human nature, whatever it is, people like to hear about negative shit. So you need to factor all that in.

And like Riggs is saying, it sure sounds like anything goes with this. I would be curious, and this would be a question for Drive to Survive as well, like what type of editorial? editorial control the players have. I would imagine it's pretty limited. So whatever they put in there, or whatever these guys say, or whatever they do, is likely going to go into this docu-series,

and who knows what's going to happen, and that's going to be probably the most interesting shit. Yeah, I can't imagine editing this thing. 22 players, all these tournaments. How much fucking footage they have? How do you tell that story? Fuck, man. Really impressive stuff by Netflix,

and just the fact they're able to do all this stuff. When I watch Netflix documentaries or just any documentary, it's amazing the stuff these guys do. I watched that one where they found the soccer team in the freaking cave. And like, where is this footage coming from? How do we have this footage? It's because we all pay 20 bucks a month. Like a billion people pay 20 bucks a month. They just got endless fucking money.

And Frankie, there's probably, I'm sure. I know there. There's a small part of you that wishes we can do shit like this. 100% dude. I would love to be able to do this. Behind the green stuff is so great. And like if you could just. focus that energy into

even if you we wanted to do it with one player where we just follow a guy around and see the day to day the before a tournament the training all that stuff and Netflix like Riggs is saying they have such an influx of cash at all times they can pitch these huge ideas and turn it into a reality

so there is a bit of jealousy on our end because we know how great the content is going to be. Of course man I wish we had endless money to be able to spend around I have to like fight and claw to make sure we get a camera guy for behind the green that's why we don't do that many and it's like we have to get the access and that's also why we don't do so many it's crazy just like we have the ideas and you can't get it done and that's also why

we are still like common men quote unquote people say that we've sometimes jumped ship with all tailor made stuff but you got to remember like we're we're watching this just like you are wishing that we could be the people that Netflix are like the documentarians that Netflix has because I know that this is going to be a fucking success these these these personalities they have are to be phenomenal. There will be negative shit. And it's going to be shot so beautifully and so unbelievable. The game of golf has never been seen this way.

It's going to be awesome. I can't wait for it to come out. It's going to be hashtag good for golf. Dave Portnoy's favorite phrase. It'll be very good for golf. Get it out there. Think about how good drive to survive was for Formula One. I mean, I'm into it now.

I love those guys whenever I see Daniel Ricardo out there on the internet or responding or unpart in my take. I'm fascinated by it. So it's going to be hopefully have that effect of people that don't follow golf. So it should be a great thing. I think great news. Very nice. Good stuff.

Very nice.