Founder's Story - He Lost $50M and Didn’t Quit: The Mindset That Rebuilt Everything | Ep. 315 with Rod Khleif Founder of Lifetime Cashflow Academy

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Daniel Robbins interviews Rod Khleif about the crash that wiped out $50M of his net worth, the mindset tools that helped him rebuild, and the business mechanics behind commercial real estate syndications. Rod breaks down how he teaches students to take massive action, focus on cash flow, and design their lives with clear goals that push them through fear. Key Discussion Points:Rod explains how Tony Robbins reshaped his mindset around emotional mastery, learning, and giving back, including a pivotal moment watching Tony lead thousands of people during 9/11. He shares why vulnerability and “showing the dirty laundry” is the fastest way to build trust and remove the salesy barrier when leading an audience. Rod reframes failure as a “seminar,” warns against making a business your identity, and says fear regret more than failure. He then walks through why commercial real estate is a team sport, how syndications work, and how operators make money through fees, cash flow, and forcing appreciation by increasing net operating income. Takeaways:Your business is a vehicle, not your identity, and resilience starts when you separate who you are from what happened to you. Set goals with a clear why, because desire is what pushes you through fear, discomfort, and reinvention. Rod’s core lesson is simple: the people who win are not the richest, they are the ones who take massive action and build competence until confidence follows. Closing Thoughts:This episode is a reminder that the biggest comebacks are built on mindset first, strategy second. Rod leaves listeners with urgency to pick a vehicle, start learning now, and prepare for a faster changing future where adaptability matters more than certainty. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

So Rod, it's really great to have you on. I've always wanted to know what it's like to really be out there with Tony Robbins, like on tour, doing things, not just experiencing it one time. And I was mentioning to you earlier. So I just came out with a book and I was at the bookstore and I asked the people there, do you have this book? And they're like, yes, we have this book by Tony Robbins. Because Tony Robbins and I have the same last name. So funny enough, good things. people think my book was also written by Tony Robbins. So I'm going to play on that. I think that's cool. I would. I would. He's a billionaire. So, yeah, there you go.

Be like the person you want to be. So I love to understand. And you have, I mean, you have an incredible story. Like losing $50 million, rebuilding, you know, one of the largest podcasts, like commercial real estate, sold out events. Take me back to your time with Tony Robbins. Sure. Well, actually, you know, it's funny.

I was working on myself. I'm a work in progress. We all are. And so I went to one of his events, and I was just blown away candidly. It was in Fort Lauderdale. I went with my brother. And it was an epiphany for me around giving back as well, because I saw that he fed families for the holidays.

And we can talk about that if you like. But I'll just briefly say in the last 26 years now, I fed 150,000 children for the holidays, at-risk kids. So he had a huge impact on my philanthropy. But before then, I was totally focused on Rod. So, you know, that was a big impact. And, and, you know, what I found, you know, a lot of people think it's a cult or some other crap like that. But he's the best in the world at emotional mastery.

He's the best in the world of relationship mastery. He's the best in the world of business mastery. And he teaches all of these things. And so I was just blown away. And I signed up for his whole thing. And I was actually with him in Hawaii when 9-11 happened. Okay. And that was extraordinary to see his ability to take 3,500 people and have them focus.

focused on the positives of what was happening. By the time we woke up, both towers had fallen, it was extraordinary to see his brilliance at work at that event. And that's when I really saw it. But, you know, I kept going to his events every year for literally 11 years in a row. And because I was working on a different part of me every year, you know. And I had this picture where I literally have hundreds of lanyards from his events and other events around my arms, hanging from my arms, around my neck.

because, you know, I'm always doing that. You know, I feel like if you're not growing, you're dying. If I just went to a boot camp two weeks ago in Pleiota Carmen, I've got two coaches right now. So I believe in that continual education. But, you know, I'm on my 11th year of doing the same event that he teaches called Date with Destiny. His head of security is like, dude, why don't you just join the team and you can just come and work with us and you see behind the stage and all that stuff?

And so I did that for eight years until I had a bad car accident. I couldn't do it anymore because you've got to stand for a long time. But, you know, I got to see what he does. And I got to see how extraordinary his pitch is. You know, he does a sales pitch, obviously, to sell his courses. And he makes millions of, I mean, tens of millions of dollars in like 45 minutes. And so that really helped me, you know, build what I do in the multifamily space because, again, he's the best in the world. He uses neurologistic programming.

He'll stand at one side of the stage and say, you know, this is our common sense corner. And he anchors that in. He's just brilliant it. at how he does that. And yeah, it was just, I've been to his resort in Fiji twice. He's just a, he's a magnificent human being. You know, he's a human being, though. He's, you know, he's not perfect, but, but again, he's had a huge impact on every area of my life. I mean, my health, I'm 66 years old. I work out every day, my relationships, you know, an extraordinary business class that he does called Business Mastery. I got to meet Wayne, Steve Wynn, Tony Shea, the owner of Zappos,

unfortunately, he's no longer with us. I got to John Paul DeGioia. I mean, these billionaire people that he brings in. And so it was a real treat to be in his presence and be around these luminaries. What is something? I can imagine that must be really exciting. And I'm glad you clarified the fact that because I always wondered, if somebody is going every year, are they just never learning to change? But what you're saying is you go every year because there's a different thing that you're focusing on. So then you're really changing that one thing versus trying to change everything, which is nearly impossible. We're always evolving. Yeah, we're always evolving, right?

Always evolving. We're not evolving. We're dying. When you think back to spending that time with him, when you look at like the sales, the connection ability, building rapport, was there something that's stuck with you since then that even today that you use? Well, one thing that I learned partly from him and partly from a story coach is, is, To connect with your audience, you need to be completely vulnerable. So I do a boot camp every month and a half. In the first five minutes, you're going to hear about the worst moment in my life. And so, you know, that authenticity, that vulnerability connects you with your audience and

helps you and mitigates, you know, the salesy component and all that. You know, I think the word, and this is not ego, this is just fact. The word that's used to describe me most often is authentic because I share all the dirty laundry. I mean, to a fault, honestly, everything that's happened to me. And people respect that, you know. I'm not taking pictures in front of my Lambo, which I've had, or my Rolls Rorfs, which I've had, or my Bentley, which I have. You know, I'm not doing that stupid stuff.

I'm, you know, I'm real. And so I think people, and Tony's good at that as well. He talks about, you know, coming from nothing and the trials he's gone through and the pain he's gone through. And I think that helps help connect him, you know? Well, I've heard that you, lost $50 million. Conservatively, yeah.

Conservatively, maybe more. So I don't know if that was your lowest point, but I'd love to hear about that moment in your life because I think people go into business with the fear to lose, right? And obviously people like yourself who have lost and then regain or rebuild. And if that also was not the lowest, I'd like to understand what was the lowest on top of that. Well, the lowest was probably my first divorce telling my kids we were getting a divorce and hearing my daughter scream, no, and just that pain of that. That was probably the lowest point. But 50 million sucked. I'm just going to say that, okay? It wasn't fun. Okay, I call it seminars. And that's actually from Tony. I think Tony does the same thing. He calls his failure seminars. Because if you don't get back up or you don't get the lesson, you know, then it's truly a failure. Otherwise, it's a seminar. And I will tell you, so it was an expensive, freaking seminar, don't get me wrong, okay, 50 million. But, but, you know, I've built 29 businesses so far in my

career. Several worth tens of millions of dollars, two right now are, but most were spectacular flaming seminars, okay? You know, we fail our way to success. I'm going to tell you, if you're listening and you're one of these analytical people that fears failure, don't fear failure. Fear two things, being the same place you are right now, unless you absolutely love where you are right now a year or two from now, or fear regret. You know, there was this nurse in Australia, Dan, a hospice nurse. And so she took care of patients. She took care of patients that they're about to die. And she asked him a question. And the question was, do you have any regrets? And she even wrote a book about it. It's like a national bestseller, something like the five regrets of dying. You know what the number of

regret was? Not living the life I could have lived, living someone else's life, not doing what I know I'm capable of. Fear that. Don't fear. Don't fear. failure. Again, we fail our way to success. It's only a failure. But I will say this. There are incredible opportunities right now, incredible opportunities, 10,000 people a day turning 65. They've got businesses they want to sell. There's a ton of opportunity in real estate because a lot of deals have gone south because of the interest rates. You know, with crisis comes opportunity. But, you know, so you need to select something as a side hustle. Pick what you're going to do to take advantage of what's coming. But don't let it be your identity. It's your vehicle. You know, if

If losing 50 million would have been my identity, that'd be one of those guys that jumps off buildings, like in the Great Crash or that crypto guy that shot himself in his Lambo a few months back. You know, they made it their identity. Don't let it be your identity. You know, because if your vehicle fails, you're not a failure. If it's your identity, then, you know, obviously you'll consider yourself a failure.

So just as an aside. I like that. And I'm with you because I've lost as well. And I learned at that moment when really was, for me, it was 2020. I said, you know what, I'm going to give myself a personal mission. And I'm going to fit everything into that personal mission. So it can never really be a failure. Because if a business fails alongside, that was just the business.

I have a personal mission. And shockingly, everything that I've done since then just oddly fits into that versus before it was like chasing money, chasing success, chasing titles. For you, I know mindset is massive. And many would say that mindset is way more important than anything else when it comes to success. Myself included. Myself included. Yeah.

I think it's 80 to 90% of your success in anything. Only 10 to 20% is the real estate stuff I talk about in my boot camps. But I spend time on mindset as well because that really is 80 to 90% of it. You've got to actually do it. There's a reason my students now own upwards of 300,000 multifamily units under my tutelage, tons of senior housing, tons of self-storage, mobile home parks, industrial flex space. Every commercial asset class you can think of, they own a ton of it. And those 300,000 units, we believe that's what it is.

We're counting and we're in the 270 plus range, but we know we're missing a bunch. I mean, that's more than all the other people that do what I do combined. So it's something I'm very proud of. But the reason I believe that they're so successful is because I spend so much time on mindset. You come to my boot camp, the first thing we do is goal setting on steroids. Because how do you get anything if you don't know what it is, right? You got to know what it is you want and more importantly why you want it. So that's the first thing we do.

By the way, if you're listening and you're not interested in real estate, go to my link tree, rodslinks.com. And at the bottom is my goal setting workshop. You know, here's the thing, Dan, people spend more time planning a freaking birthday party than they do designing their lives. And if you go to Rod's Links, you know, doing your goals is designing your life. If you go to Rod's links, at the bottom is this workshop, it's about an hour. There's a guide you can download.

I'm not to try to sell you anything. you know do it have your spouse do it have your kids if they're over 10 years old do it design their lives you'll leave so motivated you'll be coming out of your skin so again that's it my link tree rods links com but that's you know that's the first thing i did when i lost everything dan was i reassociated with my goals so because you've got to have goals because you've got to create a burning desire or a hunger and that's how you push through fear that's how you push through limiting beliefs or that's how you get uncomfortable, right? The comfort zone's a nice warm place and nothing grows there, right? So, but it starts with goals. Well, thinking back to 2008, I remember for myself, I lost the ability to

buy a home. I was fired and I literally lived in a tool shed. I converted a tool shed with the bed and I lived in there for a year. And I was like, this is horrible. I never want to go back. It wasn't 50 million, but I think a lot of people were in that place. Now, on the flip side, like, remember 2010, I started seeing so many opportunities, but I didn't have any cash, nor did I have the know-how to even buy real estate. I wish I did. So what do you suggest? We're there again. I mean, we are there in the commercial multifamily space, okay? The perveral. How can I play here? What can I do? You got to get up to speed. Okay, bottom line is get up to speed. Whether you learn from me or somebody else, I've got a virtual boot camp coming up

literally in three weeks. I don't know when this is going to air, but then I do another one in 45 days. And I don't sell anything there. It's two days of training, nothing being sold. Hell, the bonuses are worth thousands of dollars because you get my evaluation software, my document library. But regardless, whether you learn from me or not, get up to speed fast, because the deals are coming. I mean, there's a trillion dollars in debt that's going to be due by the end of this year. A lot of it's already due. My SEC attorney that does syndications, which is how you buy these big apartment complexes, through a syndication, He got six new apartment complex foreclosure clients in one day, three weeks ago, he was telling me, okay?

There's a lot of stuff hitting the fan right now. So, you know, I've got, I just interviewed a guy on my show, my podcast that just bought an asset at 40 cents on the dollar. And that's what's out there. It's hitting. It's going to keep hitting. And so, you know, if there was ever time to get into this business, it's right now. You know, Warren Buffett's famous quote, you know, because people are fearful right now. It's like, you know, be fearful when others are greedy.

It's been a lot of greed these last few years. I'll give you an example of that in a second. But the other side of that quote is be greedy when others are fearful. And there's a lot of fear right now. So, you know, be a contrarian investor. I've got an asset, we call them assets, an apartment complex in San Antonio, 200 units. It's on a lake. It's beautiful.

There's one right next door that's on the same lake. It's 300 units, 300 and a handful. And it's sold for 43 million, I think, in either 21 or 21, or 22, okay, $43 million. Bank owns it now, it's down to $28. I'm not even interested unless it gets to $24. 43 to 24. Okay, that's what's out there right now.

But, you know, the interest rates don't make it viable for me to get that property until it comes down some more or the rates come down. And, you know, and that's a, let me, let me preface this by saying cash flows everything. I don't care what it's sold for. I'm just using that as an example. Cash flows everything. So, you know, focus on cash flow if you're going to invest in real estate, but and businesses as well anyway. Yeah.

We had somebody who's an executive at Raymond James on the show a few days ago, and she said that they are looking at around $80 trillion in wealth transfer in the next 15 to 20 years. It's the largest ever. Most of it going to millennial Gen Z, which is fascinating. Like you said, from businesses to 401Ks, IRAs. to homes, all this property from baby boomers that are obviously passing away. What is a syndicate? And how does one even get into commercial real estate? By the way, that's the reason I'm getting into senior housing as well. Okay, there's 10,000 people a day turning 65. I think about 9,000 are turning 75. This baby boomer, this generation is insane. It's impacted everything since pamper's

diapers to suburbia to now it's going to be, you know, senior housing. So I bought my first assistant the living facility a few months ago, and I'm gearing up to buy a bunch of them. If you see an apartment building or an office building or a strip center or a big senior housing facility or any commercial real estate, chances are it was purchased in a syndication, meaning somebody pulled a bunch of investors together to buy it. It's not one rich person, okay, is somebody, an operator, which is what my students are. They pool investors together. They've raised hundreds of millions of dollars, so have I. And I know it sounds intimidating as hell. Come to my book. and I will demystify it for you because it's not it's you know it's it's you hire an SEC attorney like

the guy was just talking about he does all the paperwork and you just dot the eyes and cross the T's and and and you know I raised 12 million dollars from my last deal and you might say well that's you rod well my students have raised hundreds of millions of dollars okay for to buy these deals but that's that's a syndication it's a pooling of money you've got a handful of people that that that put the deal together sometimes sometimes it's one or two and they raise money from other people and people. And then they go out and they buy these big assets. And again, any big commercial building you see, that's how it was taken down. Now, some of, some of these syndications get all the money from big private equity funds or family offices of wealthy people. But, you know, the rank and file,

the people I teach, do it, you know, 50 to $100,000 at a time from private investors to take down these beautiful assets. So that's a syndication. So how does one then make money from that? So let's say they have. Sure. They have this certification. They put it together. You said something about how we know the cash flow. How do you make money though? Sure. Well, there's several ways. And, of course, that's one of the first things I talk about to get everybody excited when they're on the boot camp. So the first thing is to put one of these things together, you charge an acquisition fee. Investors expect it. Okay. And it's anywhere from three to five percent. And I mean, to give you an idea, even a small multifamily would be $3 million. Okay. That's 150 grand at a 5%

acquisition fee. One acquisition fee can change your life. Okay. So that's the first thing. Second thing is asset management fees. You're going to charge fees to manage the property. Even if you get a property management company, you have to stay on top of them. So I typically charge 2% of the gross collected rent asset management fees. In fact, I just saw my property management company just sent me an email saying she just put like 4,300 in the account from one of the properties. But the name of my podcast is lifetime cash flow, because that's That's really what you're building. Our business model is like a big version of the Burr method that maybe you've heard about.

Buy, renovate, refinance, repeat. Okay, that's the Burr method. Buy, renovate, refinance, repeat. See, the beautiful thing about commercial real estate is it's valued based on a multiple of the net income. So if you get that net income up, the value exponentially goes up. I'll give you an extreme example. I have a 296 unit asset in San Antonio.

and we had a towing company paint numbers on the parking spaces, okay? Then we told the tenants, the towing company did it for free because they wanted the towing contract. And so they painted them, so we didn't pay for it. And then I told that we told the tenants, hey, first come first served, you can get a parking spot right in front of your unit. We had 100 people take it. Here's the math.

So 100 people at $25 is $2,500 a month, right? You annualize it. That's $30,000. time that property was trading for meaning that's what it would sell for trading is the word the nomenclature was trading at a four cap four percent capitalization rate okay that's what it was worth then it's a little higher than that now but it was four percent divide 30 thousand by four percent that was a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollar instant increase in value we didn't even pay for it okay that's an example and that's the beautiful thing about what we do is through your efforts you get

the rents up you get the expenses down you get that an n-o-i net office bringing income up that and and it's exponential increase in value it's extraordinary i give you one more extreme example i had a 101 unit complex in uh dayton ohio beaver creek ohio it's suburb hundred and one units just sold a a few months ago it got destroyed by a tornado i mean devastated okay destroyed all 101 families had to move thank god nobody died a couple people had to have surgery no kids got hurt thank god but we were able to rebuild it and we got 600 to 650 dollar rent bumps That was a $10 million increase in value on 101 units. Okay.

And I know that's an extreme example. That's my biggest example, actually. But any version of that, that's what you're able to do in this business. Very exciting. You can't do that with residential like houses or duplexes. You know, anything under four units or lower is residential. And the value is based on comparable sales. But five units are higher.

It's based on a multiple of the income. And so, you know, you can make a lot of money. Take in a shopping center, for example, putting in a big tenant. instant increase in value, you know, getting the rents up on a multifamily property, you know, or on a senior housing facility or on self-storage, any increase you get to that income, it equates to a big value increase. For every dollar in income, it's typically $17 to $20 in increased value. I was going to ask you, why are you, you know, why are you not residential versus commercial,

but now it makes total sense. So I always, I've worked in different states, and I feel like in different states, it's me the ability to see things of opportunities that would have never seen because I never, like I worked in New Mexico. I would never had been to New Mexico before I worked at. And then I started to see opportunities. So I always wondered about how does one find opportunities if you're not physically there all the time? Like how do you see the, because I hear all these times these states like up being like Dallas is now or Austin was the thing. But how did you know Austin was the thing before everyone else. Well, Austin's hurting right now because they built a lot of stuff. Same with San Antonio

where I have two assets. Back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. San Antonio is hurting as well because they built so many units. It's going to come back. I mean, they're both beautiful towns that are going to continue. They'll bounce back, trust me. But, you know, I have assets in seven states, or I did. I've sold some of them off now. And I teach this. I mean, I give you lots of different examples. I give you websites that you go look at to look at demographics. But I teach this at my two-day boot camp but but that's i mean you you you select an area uh you select a you select a city and i tell you what to look for in that city population gross income gross job growth um and no one horse towns um things like that an airport with a main carrier i mean i i so many pieces to this but but but um

and don't be overwhelmed you know how do you eat away a one bite at a time and you don't have to know the whole business to do it see my business luckily is a team sport okay and you're not going to do it by yourself. I bought 2,000 houses by myself. I rented long term. You can do that, but I would never try to get an apartment complex by myself or, you know, a decent size property. And so, you know, you can be the person that finds the deals. You could be the person that's analytical that underwrites the deals. You could be the person that raises money from investors. You could be the mouthpiece like me. You know, you could be the, you know, the asset manager that has some construction experience, project management experience, really any management experience. You could do the asset management where you

manage the property management company after you buy it. So there's just a lot of different hats you can wear in our business. And I would just tell you, figure out what you love and play to your strengths. Your strengths are your greatest assets. And then you hire a line or partner for your weaknesses. The reason my coaching students are so successful is because most of those 300,000 we believe, deals or units were done between my warriors. They're called my warriors, my students.

And so, you know, they align with other people that, you know, that are the yin to their yang, you know. And so that's how it works. In fact, the best partnerships I see are an analytical introverted person with an extroverted outgoing person because it's the business is a lot of numbers, but it's also, you know, building those investor relationships so you can raise the money for these deals. So, yeah. I remember doing, we, I've done a few residential homes and we did Airbnb, which I think will be totally illegal in the U.S. in the next decade. It's hurting right now. Airbnb is hurting right now. My brother's got some cabins and he's hurting.

But I would tell you what is doing well is midterm rentals to nurses and things like that, traveling nurses. But anyway, when you think, I'm fascinated by, I'm like really fascinated by all this because I never even thought this was like a thing that somebody could just do without having $40 million in the bank. I've got single moms with three kids that own 1,000 units, okay? I'm more than one, okay, or more than 1,000. I'm not exaggerating. One's a pharmacist. Another one was a school teacher. I mean, these are single moms. I mean, of course, I've got a lot of men as well, primarily men, actually, but I've got a lot of very successful women.

So I'm sorry I interrupted, but anybody can do this. They just have to want it. I will tell you, the successful students that I have aren't the ones that are the wealthiest. I've had NFL NBA players, famous actors. I've had people that live in Manhattan and people that live in a town of 2000. It's not money. It's not pedigree. It's not race.

it's not education. It's the people that just take massive freaking action and go do it. That's the secret to success. There's no secret other than you just got to go do it. And that's why I think I'm successful because I push them to actually go do it with the mindset stuff.

I'm wondering if AI, like the ability, because obviously we have a lot of LLMs like Claude and ChatGBTBT and such, that can do an immense amount of research, are you finding the ability now that we can do such, extreme research to open up a lot of opportunities that we wouldn't have had before. The opportunities are going to be there regardless. However, what that does is allows you to filter

them much faster, much easier, and hone in on the ones that make sense. You still have to do that yourself. A, I can do that for you now. It's extraordinary. We're in the midst of evaluating and doing that right now. Sounds like a lot of opportunities. So when is your next boot camp? Okay. My next one's March 7th and 8th. It's a weekend. Okay. And, and, It's two days. If you go to Rod's links, the link is there. It's $47, I believe. It's more than that.

Let me know on my social media is on Rod's links as well. Just DM me. Let me know you saw me on the show. I'll give you that $47 price. And it comes with my deal evaluator software, which does that for you. My document library, spent tens of thousands of dollars, my finding deals course. I think there's even more than that. But, you know, and if you don't love it on Monday, you tell me you didn't love it.

I'll give you your money back. I don't mean like it. I mean, love it. I've never done it. But there's a first time. And I've had eight, I think about it. about 18,000 people attend my events. And I've never had anybody ask for their money back.

So, you know, it's first time for everything, I suppose. But, I mean, you'll leave so motivated you'll be coming out of your skin because I spend time on mindset. I help you create your identity statement that pulls you in to that identity you aspire to be. The goals are powerful. And, of course, you learn the real estate. I mean, we go through, you'll leave knowing how to pick a market.

We just ask me about how to evaluate that market, how to find deals, how to evaluate the deals, how to raise all the money you need. for your deals, how to syndicate, joint venture, I mean, and a whole lot more. Amazing, Rod. I know. Lifetime Cashflow Academy. I could tell you, I could tell you're a very good teacher. You're a very good coach. Thank you. I enjoy the fact that you're not just teaching about something. Like you said, you can have the skills and you can have the knowledge, but if you don't have the mindset, then we know, especially if you're talking about going into business, you know, you could work for anyone. It's pretty easy to work at a job. But

is really, really hard to be a business owner, in my opinion. It's not super easy when it comes to the mindset. You have to take off the employee hat and put on the entrepreneur hat, bottom line. And if you're an employee, if you're not the leader, the view never changes, right? And so, and I'm going to tell you something else. AI, let's talk about AI for a second. I don't know if you heard Elon Musk on Joe Rogan's latest interview. He basically said that every job in front of a computer is pretty much going to be gone within a couple of years.

and programmers, you know, receptionists, administrative assistance, even surgeons. I mean, I've got one of my most successful students is an orthopedic surgeon, dentist, but a lot of these jobs are going to go to robotics, but the fast ones that are going to go are these ones in front of the computer. So if that's you and you're listening, you know, I'm not trying to scare you, but don't sit there with your blinders on think it's not going to happen because that shoe's going to drop. So decide what your vehicle is going to be. Maybe you go buy a business, build a business. Again, 10,000 people a day turning 65. Many of them have businesses.

If you want to do real estate, get your ass to my boot camp. I promise you'll be glad you came. But whatever it is, decide now. Decide on your side hustle, start learning it now. Because it's going to take a while to get up to speed and get comfortable. You know, you've got to have confidence. And that confidence won't come until your competence. Competence, then confidence.

So, you know, get busy now. Don't wait if that's you. And you know that, you know, that shoe could drop. A lot of people are burying their head in the sand. Even programmers and IT professionals, I've talked to someone like, oh, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, well, it's not going to be okay. When you get that notice that you're out of work, you know, metal just laid off,

I don't know, tens of thousands of people, Amazon, they're on the forefront of this stuff. The rank and file is going to hit pretty soon. And I'm not trying to scare you if you're listening. I just, you know, open your eyes to possibility. I like to be prepared and be ready in case that stuff happens. That's all. And I've had to, you know, I've had to reinvent myself several times. And you may have to, if you're listening, change is scary.

You may have to reinvent yourself. So start with a side hustle. Decide what the vehicle is going to be and get going. Don't wait. I mean, I've been fired more than one time. So I can relate to that. And we've had some incredible AI experts on here that have been doing it for many years. All of them has said, basically, most jobs will be eradicated at some point.

So, and I think it's moving way faster than we expect, mixed with robotics. It's crazy. 50% of July. Two years might be eliminated. Who knows? Elon's going to, everyone's going to have a freaking robot with that two or three years.

I mean, he's mass. He's going to be mass producing these things. Yeah, we all need new opportunities, but start now versus starting later. But Rod Clef, I'm excited to do the boot camp. I can't wait to get started. I've been thinking about commercial real estate for a very long time,

but never knew how to get started. Well, thanks. I'll see you. I'll see you in March. Oh, you'll love it. And guys, if you're listening, go to rodslinks.com. If you're driving, text the word links to 7, 2, 3, 4, 5. And just bring your A game, okay?

Because we're going to pack a lot. Yeah, Rod's links. On the URL, man. I love that. I'm going to go get Dan's links.com. It's not. Thanks for joining us today. Rod, thank you so much, too.

I learned so much today, and I appreciate that. Thanks, brother.