Founders - #399 How Elon Works

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

This episode covers the insanely valuable company-building principles of Elon Musk—and nothing else. I spent well over 60 hours reading (and rereading) the biography of Elon Musk written by Walter ...Isaacson. I then spent several days editing down 40 pages of notes from the book. I deleted everything that was not about How Elon Works. This episode focuses exclusively on the ideas Elon used to build his companies and his truly singular career. There is no one else like him — living or dead. Episode sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ramp⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ gives you everything you need to control spend, watch your costs, and optimize your financial operations —all on a single platform. Make history's greatest entrepreneurs proud ⁠⁠⁠by going to Ramp and learning how they can help your business control your costs and save time and money.⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://ramp.com⁠⁠ Automate compliance, security, and trust with Vanta. ⁠⁠Vanta helps you win trust, close deals, and stay secure—faster and with less effort⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠Find out how increased security leads to more customers by going to Vanta⁠⁠⁠. Tell them David from Founders sent you and you'll get $1000 off. ⁠https://www.vanta.com/founders⁠ Collateral transforms your complex ideas into compelling narratives. Collateral crafts institutional grade marketing collateral for private equity, private credit, real estate, venture capital, family offices, hedge funds, oil & gas companies, and all kinds of corporations.  Storytelling is one of the highest forms of leverage and you should invest heavily in it. You can do that by going to https://collateral.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The biography of Elon Musk that was written by Walter Isaacson came out a few years ago. It's 615 pages long. And so I read the book for the first time when it came out. And I didn't think I can make a great episode about it. And I think I've now finally figured out what I really want to talk to you about. It's going to sound crazy because Elon is the richest person on the planet and the most famous entrepreneur alive. But I think that all of the other stuff, the politics, the tweets, the constant appearance in the news or there's like, you know, new controversies all the time. It just really distracts and takes away from the fact that Elon has a set of timeless and brilliant and insanely valuable principles on how to build companies, how to invent new technology, and how to make an impact on the world around you.
Starting point is 00:00:42 And so this is what I did. I have spent at least, at least 60 hours reading and rereading this book. This book is written in chronological order. So I would say it's more akin to reading a series of news reports over a few days. decades, then the typical way a biography is written. And so as it turns out, that's going to be a major asset for you and I, because what you'll see and what I exclusively want to focus on is the enduring set of company-building principles Elon has used over three decades and across at least seven companies. So it may be apocryphal, but there is a quote from Michael Angelo
Starting point is 00:01:19 when he was asked, like how he created the statue of David. And he replied, I just chipped away everything that was not David. So what I've done is edited down my 40 pages of notes and highlights from the book into just the way that Elon works. I want to focus on the ideas that he used to build his companies and to build what I think is a truly singular career. I don't think there's anyone else like him living or dead. And so I'm going to go through his ideas in chronological order so you can see how they appear, reappear, and how they are edited and iterated on over time. And so at the end of the episode or by the end of episode, I should say, it will be impossible for you not to understand how Elon works.
Starting point is 00:01:58 And then what I think we both should do is we should sit with these ideas, write them down, and then think deeply about how we can apply some of them to our work. I think one of the superpowers of this project that has been going on for almost a decade, where you and I get together every week and we talk about another one of history's greatest founders, is that we see that somehow people that didn't know each other, were alive at different points in history, worked in different industries, lived in different parts of the world all arrived at very similar conclusions
Starting point is 00:02:24 on how to build themselves and their company into something great. So I want to start when Elon's in college right before he starts his first company Zip 2. This is something that's mentioned. Every single thing I'm going to tell you is repeated over and over again. This is why I think they're so powerful.
Starting point is 00:02:37 So one thing that's repeated over and over again is the fact that Elon loves strategy games, whether they're board games or their video games. In this case, in college, he was obsessed with this board game, this classic strategy board game called diplomacy. And it says that immersing himself in these games for hours became the way he relaxed, escaped stress, and honed his tactical skills and strategic thinking for business.
Starting point is 00:03:00 He was drawn to these games from an early age. When he was asked why, he told one of his friends, I am wired for war. That sentence, I am wired for war, Elon will repeat across decades. When he was in his early 20s, he had an internship. It says Elon did not like, nor was he good at working for other people. It was not in his nature to be deferential or to assume that others might know more than he did. Again, he was like this in his early 20s. He's still like that today. When they start Zip 2, one of the things that he repeats over and over again is the importance of being hardcore, of working every single waking hour. When they started Zip 2, they slept in the office and showered at the YMCA. Another one of Elon's core principles, this is the way I describe it,
Starting point is 00:03:44 This is not the way he describes it, is that Elon understands that showmanship is salesmanship. So they would bring people into the Zip 2 office. It says they bought a big frame for a computer rack and put one of their small computers inside so that visitors would think they had a giant server. Every time investors would come in, we showed them that tower. It made them think we were doing hardcore stuff. You will see him use that over and over again. Elon understands the power of one dramatic demonstration.
Starting point is 00:04:12 from the very beginning of his career, Elon was a demanding manager, contemptuous of the concept of work-life balance. He drove himself relentlessly all day and night without vacations, and he expected others to do the same. His only indulgence was allowing breaks for intense video game binges. That's a description of Elon in his 20s. I don't think he can be any other way. One thing he says when he's building Zip 2 and uses it for the rest of his life,
Starting point is 00:04:38 he is not a fan of camaraderie or being overly collegial with the people you work. work with. He says over and over again, it's both, doing so is both counterproductive and dangerous and that it gets in the way of actually putting the mission first. So he says he genuinely did not care if he offended or intimidated the people he worked with. As long as he drove them to accomplish feats that they thought were impossible. It's not your job to make people on your team love you. He would say years later at a space X executive session. In fact, that's counterproductive. One thing that he did not like early in his career and he never likes, he hates middlemen. A good way to think about Elon is Elon wants full control.
Starting point is 00:05:12 over everything, always. True product people have a compulsion to sell directly through consumers without middlemen mudding things up. Elon was that way. Less than four years after starting Zip 2, Elon and his brother, they went up selling the company to Compact Computer, compact bought it for $307 million in cash. So by the time Elon was 27 years old, he had $22 million from the sale of his company. And what's fascinating is there's all these interviews he was doing when he was 27 and we see that he's not it's not the money that's the motivator the true sense of satisfaction the true sense of accomplishment is building a real company and so he says i could go buy an island but i'm much more interested in trying to build and create a new company i haven't spent
Starting point is 00:05:54 all of my winnings i'm going to put almost all of it back into a new game he said the real payoff is the sense of satisfaction in having created a company and so this is the note i left after I read the book and I go back and I reread my highlights and notes compulsively before I sit down and talk to you. And so this is what I said. Make money and put it back into another company. That is a trait of his that he repeats for decades. More than 20 years later, when he had a bunch of cash from selling Tesla stock, he put it into Twitter. He hates having money just sitting there. And so that's a theme that's going to reappear over and over again is the fact that the money is for putting it into company and solving a problem. What interested
Starting point is 00:06:31 him was the problems that he wanted to solve. And he was willing to have an insanely high risk tolerance, even when he's younger, because he said, I'm either going to be wealthy or broke, but it's not going to be anything in between. And so another enduring principle of Elon said he used to start his career is the fact that belief is irresistible. You will hear quotes like this across decades from different companies and from all kinds of different people than knew Elon. Even when it seemed like crazy talk, you would believe him because he believed it. Elon has the ability to transfer his belief to other people. He is contemptuous of work-life balance. His management style has not changed from Zip 2, nor would it ever.
Starting point is 00:07:06 I am by nature, obsessive, compulsive, Elon said. What matters to me is winning and not in a small way. So Elon starts his next company, and it's the exact same management style that he had at his first company and he will have forever. One of Elon's management tactics was to set an insane deadline and drive colleagues to meet it. Elon slept under his desk most nights. Elon is intense in all things. This is a description of him when he's playing video games. He was sweating, and you can see that he has a bundle of energy and intensity.
Starting point is 00:07:39 One of the most shocking things of this book, especially if you eliminate everything that's not how Elon works, is Elon's obsession with simplification and deleting. Half the book is him just yelling at people to delete, to edit, and to simplify. He does this relentlessly. He had a passion for simplicity when it came to designing user interfaces. I hone the user interface to get the fewest numbers of keystrokes to open an account, Elon said. One of the conflicts he had with his co-founders of PayPal was the fact that he was not interested in making niche products. And you see a drastic difference in the size of his ambition after selling PayPal.
Starting point is 00:08:15 It says it was not in Elon's nature to make niche products. He wants to remake entire industries. We are 79 pages into this book and you will see one of his most repeated principles. He has to mention this, I don't know, 25 times for this book. Elon restructured the company so that there was not a separate engineering. department. Instead, engineers would team up with project managers. It was a philosophy that he would carry through to Tesla, SpaceX, and Twitter. Separating the design of a product from its engineering was a recipe for dysfunction. Designers had to feel the immediate pain if something they devised
Starting point is 00:08:53 was hard to engineer. Engineers, rather than product managers, should lead the team. One of my favorite maxims from the history of entrepreneurship is that if you know your business from A to Z, there's no problem you can't solve. Over and over again, starting with PayPal and all the way up until present day, people are shocked at how much detail Elon knows about their area of the company. So we have one of his co-founders, Max Lovchin, back in the PayPal days, we're saying, Elon will say crazy stuff. But every once in a while, he'll surprise you by knowing way more than you do about your own specialty.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I think a huge part of the way he motivates people are these displays of sharpness. another principle that he identified in my opinion very correctly from a young age is the fact that the CEO, the founder should be the public face of the company and that he really believed he was the best spokesperson for his company. Here's a collection of descriptions of Elon when he was building PayPal. The reason I include this is because Elon is still like this three decades later and you'll have people in all of his other companies say the exact same thing about him. He has a relentless and rough personal style. He has a desire to take risks. He was into amplifying risk and burning the boats so that we could never retreat from it.
Starting point is 00:10:04 He has a level of certainty that causes him to put all of his chips on the table. And then what I would say is they talked about the fact that he got kicked out of PayPal as CEO. He does something really smart, which I'll get to later, which he doesn't destroy the relationships with his co-founders, which actually winds up saving SpaceX about a decade later. But I think it's very obvious and it's very important. Elon has superhuman levels of self-confidence. He was being interviewed by the author by Walter Ixson, many decades later.
Starting point is 00:10:34 And he says this, if I had stayed, PayPal would be a trillion-dollar company. I think he truly believes that in his heart and soul. So when he gets kicked out of PayPal, he's got to pick, what do I want to work on next? And this is where his ambition just sky rockets. And so he's going to start a rocket company. This is what he does. He went to the Palo Alto Public Library to read about rocket engineering and started calling experts asking to borrow their old engine manuals. There would be many times where people said Elon read
Starting point is 00:11:01 everything. This is something that reappears with the history of entrepreneurship. The shorthand I have for this is they devoured entire shelves. Thomas Edison, Winston Churchill, Michael Dell, Edwin Land, they would read every single thing in a library on their subject of interest. One of my favorite stories about this is Edwin Land goes to Harvard, is obsessed with the science of light and optics, reads every single book on light and optics in Harvard's library once he gets to the end
Starting point is 00:11:30 realizes I've learned everything I can learn here drops out moves to New York City goes to New York City Public Library does the exact same thing they devour entire shelves and so in between PayPal and starting SpaceX
Starting point is 00:11:43 he's asked what are you going to do I'm going to colonize Mars my mission in life is to make mankind a multi-planetary civilization he was talking to somebody and they're like, wait, how is this a business? Then the person he's talking to is like, oh, Elon doesn't think that way. Elon starts with a mission.
Starting point is 00:12:01 This is very important. This will be repeated over and over and over again. Elon starts with a mission and later finds a way to backfill in order to make it work financially. And I think the following sentence is one of the most important sentences in the book. It is useful to pause for a moment and note how wild it was for a 30-year-old entrepreneur who had been ousted from two texts. startups to decide to build rockets that could go to Mars. Another principle that he starts to repeat around this time, you can still hear this
Starting point is 00:12:32 to this day, is the fact that technological progress is not inevitable. It's not some kind of abstract concept. Humans make technology. If we don't do it, it will not happen. It just doesn't march forward on its own. And in many cases, it could even backslide. He says, people are mistaken when they think that technology just automatically improves. It only improves if a lot of people work very hard.
Starting point is 00:12:53 to make it better. This is directly tied to one of his most used principles. Elon has the ability to see his endeavors as having epoch-making significance. One of Elon's greatest skills is the ability to pass off his vision as a mandate from heaven. He understands the importance of inspiring people, that we must have inspiring things in the world, that we must pursue great dreams. This is what he says. To have a base on Mars would be incredibly difficult, and people will probably die along the way
Starting point is 00:13:22 just as happened in the settling of the United States. But it will be incredibly inspiring, and we must have inspiring things in the world. Life cannot be merely about solving problems. It also has to be about pursuing great dreams. That is what will get us up in the morning. And this next part is like the kernel of an idea that he'll use over and over again,
Starting point is 00:13:42 that you need to go where you have the highest chance of succeeding. And later on, the version that he uses over and over again is you need to go to where the problem is. He's constantly searching for bottlenecks. across this entire empire, and then once he identifies them, he just gets on the plane immediately and goes right to the problem and stays there until that problem is solved. He decided if he's going to start a rocket company, it was best to move to Los Angeles. The probability of success for a rocket company was quite low, Elon said, and it was even lower if I did not move to Southern
Starting point is 00:14:11 California where the critical mass of aerospace engineering talent was at the time. Now, the next sentence. I truly believe that sometimes a single sentence can tell an entire story. This next sentence is an example of that. Keep in mind the fact that his first wife's name is Justine. He didn't even explain the move to Justine. That is another thing that will reappear over and over again in Elon's life. In fact, it says Elon was not bred for domestic tranquility. You cannot work as much as Elon works. You cannot dedicate as large part of your waking existence to your work as Elon does and expect to have relationships. So then as he's trying to figure out how the hell do I build my own rocket, he comes up with one
Starting point is 00:14:53 of his greatest ideas and something he's going to use the rest of his career. He names things really well, too. He calls this the Idiot Index. So it says Elon employed first principles thinking, drilling down to the basic physics of the situation and building up from there. That is, again, something you and I are going to talk about 100 times today. This led him to develop what he called an idiot index, which calculated how much more costly a finished product was than the cost of its basic materials. If a product had a high idiot indexed,
Starting point is 00:15:21 its cost could be reduced significantly by devising more efficient manufacturing techniques. Rockets had an extremely high idiot index. Elon BM calculating the cost of carbon fiber, metal, fuel, and other materials that went into them. The finished product, using the current manufacturing methods cost at least 50 times more than that. The word cost appears 158 times in this book. Elon is obsessed with controlling costs. I have a note to myself from later in the book that says he surrounded himself with biographies. Of course, he's obsessed with cost control. There are many examples in other books that I've read on Elon of Elon obsessively reading biographies. This is something that he is in common with all of his history's greatest entrepreneurs,
Starting point is 00:16:10 from Elon today, all the way to Carnegie and Rockefeller and everyone in between. If you are great, you stay in the details on costs. That is why Ramp is the presenting sponsor of this podcast. I've gotten to know all the co-founders of Ramp and have spent a ton of time with them over the last two years. They all listened to the podcast, and they picked up on the fact the main theme from the podcast is on the importance of watching your costs and controlling your spend and how doing so will give you a massive competitive advantage. You're going to see this with Elon's companies over and over and over.
Starting point is 00:16:40 again as we keep going through this book. One of my favorite ways to illustrate this and why it's so important is actually from a biography of Andrew Carnegie, who keep in mind, when Carnegie sold his company to J.P. Morgan, Carnegie had the world's largest liquid fortune. And so the quote from his biography says, Carnegie would repeat this mantra time and time again. Elon, as you'll see today, he repeats mantras again and again and again. I'm like screaming about this. I'm telling you, if Carnegie says this, if Elon says this, that is, it's like a bright, flashing
Starting point is 00:17:10 red light to you and I, hey, this is probably a good idea. This is what Carnegie, this is Carnegie's mantra. Profits and prices are cyclical, subject to any number of transient forces of the marketplace. Costs, however, could be strictly controlled and any savings achieved in the costs of goods were permanent. Cost control became nearly an obsession for Andrew Carnegie. It is an obsession with Elon 2, and that is a main theme for Ramp. The reason that Ramp exists is to give you everything you need to control your spend. Ramp gives you everything you need to control your costs. Ram gives you easy to use corporate cards for your entire team, automated expense reporting, bill payments, accounting, and cost control, and they do this
Starting point is 00:17:48 on a single platform. The greats all study the grates and the easiest way to study the greats today is by listening to founders. So many of the top founders and CEOs listen to founders, and I hear from them all the time. Most of the excellent operators I know run their business on ramp. If you're not running your business yet on ramp, you should be make history's greatest entrepreneur is proud by going to ramp.com to learn how they can help your business today. That is ramp.com. Now back to a principle that Elon repeats a lot. In laying out the factory, Elon followed his philosophy that the design, engineering, and manufacturing teams would all be clustered together. The people on the assembly line should be able to immediately collar a designer
Starting point is 00:18:25 or engineer and say, why the fuck did you make it this way? Elon explained. This is really brilliant what he's about to say. It's like a simple genius. If your hand is on a stove and it gets hot you pull it right off but if it's someone else's hand on the stove it'll take you longer to do something and so he will constantly repeat you cannot separate design engineering and manufacturing they need to be together because you are going to make mistakes and you want to identify and fix those mistakes today right now and if you separate them the mistakes will fester there's a term that's used in the book that says Elon likes fresh blood he will churn through people rapidly if you are negative or thought something couldn't be done, you would not be invited to the next meeting.
Starting point is 00:19:09 In many cases you were fired, he wanted people who would make things happen. On to the next highlight. Elon was laser focused on keeping costs down. Cost effectiveness was critical. He challenged to the prices that aerospace suppliers charge for components, which were usually 10 times higher than similar parts in the auto industry. He'll constantly go back. What is the idiot index on this?
Starting point is 00:19:32 He'll drill into in meetings if you don't know. his focus on costs as well as his natural controlling instincts led him to want to manufacture as many components as possible in-house. Remember, Elon wants control over everything always, rather than buy them from suppliers, which was then the standard practice in the rocket and car industries. He does not give a damn what the standard practices of any industry. He will constantly challenge himself and other people around him go down to first principles thinking. Here's an example of the idiot index. A supplier quoted a price of $120,000. Elon said that the part was no more complicated than a garage door opener
Starting point is 00:20:05 and told one of his engineers to make the part. His engineer made it and it only cost $5,000. This directly leads into another one of his most repeated principles and one thing that he repeats over and over again, you need to question every single requirement. He probably says that 25 times in the book. He made his engineers question all specifications. This would later become step one in a five-point checklist dubbed the algorithm.
Starting point is 00:20:29 They became an off-repeated mantra. when developing products. Whenever one of his engineers cited a requirement as a reason for doing something, Elon would grill them. Who made the requirement? And answering the military or the legal department was not good enough. This is brilliant. Elon would insist that they know the name of the actual person who made the requirement.
Starting point is 00:20:51 All requirements should be treated as recommendations, Elon repeatedly instructed. The only immutable ones were those decreed by the laws of physics. he said. Another one of his core operating principles that he will repeat over and over again is that a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. A maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. Here's an example of that. How in the fuck can it take so long, Elon asked. This is stupid. Cut it in half. Mueller balked. You can't just take a schedule that we already cut in half and then cut it in half again. Elon looked at him coldly and told him to stay behind after the meeting.
Starting point is 00:21:30 He then asked Mueller whether he wanted to remain in charge of engines. When Mueller said yes, Elon replied, then when I ask for something, you fucking give it to me. Half of this book is Elon telling people to go faster. This is why he does this. Even though we failed to meet most schedules or cost targets that Elon laid out, we still beat all of our peers, Mueller admits. That is the result of having a maniacal sense of urgency. as your operating principle.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Another thing he repeats to everybody around him, he expects you to know all the details of your part of the business, and he will erupt in anger if you don't. Elon would pepper them with technical questions. He would erupt with searing theory when an engineer did not know an answer. He considers himself a frontline general. He will repeat over and over again how important it is to be a frontline general. He's on the factory floor.
Starting point is 00:22:21 He's climbing on top of roofs. He's underneath rockets. And so as a result that he's constantly there talking directly to the people doing work says Elon's willingness to work all night at the factory pursuing innovations inspired his engineers. Another thing it's important to understand and repeat is Elon wants total control all the time always he does not like partnering with other companies. He will turn through people. There is an exception to this. Says Elon does not naturally partner with people. Collegiality was not part of his skill set and deference not in his nature. He does not like to share power. One of the few exceptions
Starting point is 00:22:53 was his relationship with Gwen Shotwell. She has worked with Elon for more than 20. years longer than anyone else. And so she has a bunch of advice on how do you actually work with people like this. It says, Shatwell thought the team was clueless. This is when she first met Elon. Shotwell thought the team was clueless about how to sell services. The guy you have doing discussions with possible customers is a loser. She told Elon bluntly. The next day she got a call asking her to be vice president of business development. This is very obviously if you read a bunch of books on Elon. It also pops out in a bunch of books on Steve Jobs. I would say the principle applies across when you're dealing with these maniacal people like this, the worst thing you
Starting point is 00:23:29 do is knuckle under. The worst thing you do is back down. They only respect strength. And over time is to become more powerful and more famous. Very few people actually tell them the truth. And so what Gwen did there is perfect. It's like, no, this guy's a loser and here's why. I could do this better. And then at the very beginning of Tesla, we see the exact same idea used over and over again. Again, this is repeated over decades. Elon focused on the importance of the mission rather than the potential of the business. Here's an example of his obsession with cost control and with control in general. One of the most important decisions that Elon made about Tesla was that it should make its
Starting point is 00:24:03 own key components rather than piecing together a car with hundreds of components from independent suppliers. Tesla would control its own destiny and quality and costs and supply chain by being vertically integrated. Creating a good car was important. Even more important was crafting the manufacturing processes and factories that could mass produced them from the battery cells to the body. In the early days of the industry, Henry Ford and other pioneer carmakers did most of the work in-house. When I got to the
Starting point is 00:24:34 section, the note I left myself is Ford was so obsessed with control. He owned a fucking railroad. And he did that so he could ensure all the source materials that he needed for his car, which he also owned, got to him when he wanted them. And so that's the way the industry starts. Then in America deviates. And they wonder why the quality falls off a cliff. And then 50 years later you have Elon started another car company. He's like, no, I'm just going to go back and control everything. This is one of the things I personally admire most about Elon. He's anti-outsourcing. And over the following pages, there's just a few lines that give you an idea why he has to be this way. It is in his nature. Elon had to have ultimate authority. It was not in his nature to defer. A few pages
Starting point is 00:25:14 later, he could not refrain from getting involved in design and engineering decisions. Now, one area that Elon is very different from most of the people that you and I study is the fact that he's running all these companies simultaneously. Usually, the people you and I talk about are focused inside one company. Now, what I realize is one of the benefits of running multiple companies simultaneously is this transfer of ideas and lessons learned in one to other ones. And so I'm going to bring that to your attention a few times today, so hopefully for that lesson to really stick in your brain.
Starting point is 00:25:44 But here's the first example. Over the years, Elon was able to use techniques learned at SpaceX and apply them to Tesla and vice versa. When Eberhard pushed back on the cost of carbon fiber, this is at Tesla. Elon sent him an email. Dude, you could make the body panels for at least 500 cars per year if you bought the soft oven we have at SpaceX. If someone tells you this is hard, they are full of shit.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Let's go to one trade of his that ties everything together. This guy's got superhuman levels of determination and there's just the only way that he's ever going to quit is when he dies. And what's fascinating is even people that made money off of him in the past still underestimated his level of dedication. And so he's pitching Michael Moritz at Sequoia to invest in Tesla, even though they made a bunch of money in PayPal. And so Moritz calls Elon. He's like, hey, I'm not going to invest. We're not going to compete against Toyota.
Starting point is 00:26:36 That is mission impossible. Years later, Moritz conceded. I didn't appreciate the strength of Elon's determination. Another principle I've already mentioned once. It's over and over again in the book. the maxim I have on this is showmanship is salesmanship. Elon had an enthusiastic attraction to publicity. Elon believed an important element in launching a new product is an event.
Starting point is 00:26:58 So they're building the very first Tesla Roadster. I think they only made like 2,500 of these things. When the prototype Roadster was ready, Elon put on the event. And then this also ties in the fact that he's a showman, but he's obsessed with details. All of his ideas, you'll see he uses a river again, but they interact well with each other. This is the magic. So when the event for the prototype Roaster was being planned, Elon planned the event. Elon personally took over planning the event.
Starting point is 00:27:25 If it's, I guess what I'm trying to tell here, if it's important, he's doing it. Elon personally took over planning the event. He oversawed a guest list, chose the menu, and even approved the cost and design of the napkins. Another thing that's repeated over and over again in the book by Elon is the importance of making sure that you have failures. He says something later on. He's like, yeah, your first 50 failures are going to be really painful. and they're going to really hurt. But eventually over time, you're less emotional. And if you're less emotional, you could take more calculated risks. What I would say is one of the most important
Starting point is 00:27:53 things about this book is the book is full of Elon making decisions that he'll come to regret later. That is inevitable if you're trying to succeed anything, especially if you're trying to innovate and create something new. And then I think one of the most important concepts of this book that really sat in my mind after is like, oh, the people that succeed the most also have the most failures. and part of what makes him most successful and also fail a lot is the fact that he doesn't have any patience. It's a virtue that he lacks
Starting point is 00:28:20 and so he's talking about the fact that they tried to build and launch the first SpaceX rockets from this remote island called Quaj and he says Elon would later admit that moving to Quas was a mistake. He should have waited for Vandenberg to become available but that would have required patience and that's a virtue he lacked.
Starting point is 00:28:35 This is what Elon said. Every now and then you shoot yourself in the foot. If you had to pick a path that reduced the probability of success, it would be to launch from an inaccessible tropical island. And so then they tell a story about just how difficult it was because of this remote location, just to get the supplies they needed for the rockets there.
Starting point is 00:28:53 And so this is a great little story. Don't worry about remembering the names in the story. The capacitors were available in an electronic supply house in Minnesota. So an intern that was in Texas was dispatched there. So send the intern from Texas to Minneapolis to pick that up, right? Meanwhile, Altaan removed the power boxes from the rocket on Omaha. which is this island in the Pacific, jumped on a boat to Quaj,
Starting point is 00:29:16 slept on a concrete slab outside the airport waiting for an early morning flight to Honolulu, and then made the connection to Los Angeles and then drove to SpaceX headquarters. There he met the intern, who had gone from Texas to Minnesota, now he's in L.A., who had arrived from Minnesota
Starting point is 00:29:31 with the new capacitors. He swapped them into the faulty power boxes. Then he and Elon jumped into Elon's jet for the dash back to Quash. Keep in mind at this point. Space 6 had yet to successfully launch a single rocket. On the plane, Elon bombarded him with questions on every detail of the circuitry. So that part reminds me of this excerpt from the Elon biography that was written many years ago by Ashley Vance.
Starting point is 00:29:58 And the way I think about this excerpt that I want to read to you is this is how Elon thinks about the relationship between time and money. And it's one of my favorite ideas I've ever come across. So it says Elon would always be at work on Sunday. and we had some chats where he laid out his philosophy. So this is an early SpaceX employee that is telling us this story. He would say that everything we did was a function of our burn rate and then we were burning through $100,000 per day. It was this very entrepreneurial Silicon Valley way of thinking
Starting point is 00:30:26 that none of the aerospace engineers in Los Angeles were dialed into. Sometimes he wouldn't let you buy a part for $2,000 because he expected you to find it cheaper or to invent something cheaper. Other times he wouldn't flinch at renting a plane for $90,000 to get something to the quash because it saves an entire workday so it was worth it. This is my favorite part and the main point. He would place this urgency that he expected the revenue in 10 years to be $10 million a day and that every day we were slower to achieve our goals was a day of missing out on that money.
Starting point is 00:31:04 And then I absolutely love Elon's response to failure. to a rocket blowing up to not having a successful mission. Later that day, he posted a statement. SpaceX is in this for the long haul. Come hell or high water, we are going to make this work. I think those kind of statements are important. We're in this for a long haul. We'll never give up.
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Starting point is 00:33:22 You'll be amazed how many times Elon uses that principle over and over and over again. And so Elon will talk later on about how he just repeats the same things over and over again. And he's constantly teaching and training everybody around him. And one of the ideas that he repeats over and over again is you are not friends with people on your team, wanting to be. everyone's friend lead you to care too much about the emotions of the individual in front of you rather than caring about the success of the entire enterprise. Now, I'm going to pause there. I could see how other people like, hey, I don't want to be harsh with people around me. The next sentence of this is really explains, I think in the best way possible, why he's like this. He says
Starting point is 00:33:52 that approach can lead to a far greater number of people being hurt. His point is you have to demand, demand, demand excellence from everybody in your team, that the mission is over the personal feelings. But if you let these, you know, instead of having A players, you have this B or C player, they can jeopardize the entire mission. So instead of hurting one person's feelings, when we all go to business, you're going to hurt thousands of people's feelings. And one thing Elon picked up on, and there's a great line in the book about this, it says, A players don't want to be around fuzzy thinkers. Elon is always very easy to understand. He may be asking for things that are what you think are possible, but you definitely understand what he wants. He's not, I don't
Starting point is 00:34:33 think you can describe him at all. He's a very clear thinker. It's the opposite of a fuzzy thinker. And then he also tells people around him what's important to him. I'm not willing to share ultimate responsibility and power. He says, I've got to have both hands on the steering wheel. I can't have two of us driving. And in the book, there's many examples of just like how powerful his presence is, how intense he can be. In fact, I thought this description, his first wife has a great description of Elon in the book. And there's actually a lot of people in the book that says Elon has multiple personalities in the same head. And I think Justine describes this wonderfully.
Starting point is 00:35:06 She says, he's strong-willed and powerful, like a bear. He can be playful and funny and romp around with you, but in the end, you're still dealing with a bear. And then we see several more examples of what Michael Mort said. I didn't appreciate the strength of Elon's determination. Elon is relentless. Elon will not give up. It's very hard to beat somebody that just will not give up.
Starting point is 00:35:25 SpaceX had crashed three rockets in a roll. Elon was not ready to give up. He would go for broke, literally, he said. I will never give up, and I mean never. Optimism, pessimism, fuck that. We're going to make it happen. As God is my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work. And so it's nice to say that.
Starting point is 00:35:47 It's nice to believe that. Are you actually willing to do it? You and I know, maybe the greatest maximum history of entrepreneurship ever. Excellence is the capacity to take pain. Elon has infinite levels. He has unlimited capacity to take. take pain. This is a description of him when he's 37 years old and both SpaceX and Tesla are about to die. He is now with, I think, his second wife, Tallulah Riley. And this is what
Starting point is 00:36:12 she describes. Tolula watched in horror. As night after night, Elon had mumbling conversations with himself, sometimes flailing his arms and screaming. He was having night terrors and just screaming in his sleep. He would wake up, go to the bathroom, and start vomiting. Elon's tolerance for stress is high, but 2008 almost pushed him past his limit. I was working every day all day and night in a situation that required me to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Now do it again. Now do it again, Elon says. This is what I mentioned earlier. I don't even understand why. I can just tell you that this happened. I don't understand why. It was very wise on his part. When there was a coup and he was kicked out of PayPal by his co-founders, he moved on. And
Starting point is 00:36:59 And he didn't let his relationship with his PayPal co-founders die. Six to seven years later, they help save SpaceX. Elon had stayed friendly with the coup leaders from PayPal. Peter Thiel agreed that his fund could put $20 million into SpaceX. Elon says, after I got assassinated by the PayPal coup leaders, like Caesar being stabbed in the Senate, I could have said, you guys suck. But I didn't. If I'd done that, founders fund wouldn't have come through in 2008. 8 and SpaceX would be dead.
Starting point is 00:37:33 That is one of the ways he saves SpaceX. One of the ways he saves Tesla is by convincing a giant car company, Daimler, to invest. Now, this story is going to combine two of his operating principles that he repeats over and over again. It's this idea that a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. And he can combine that with dramatic demonstrations, which, again, the way I would describe the maximum for his dramatic demonstrations. showmanship is salesmanship, and it can take many forms. Here's an example. Dimer executives told Elon that they were interested in creating an electric car,
Starting point is 00:38:08 and they had a team that was planning to visit the U.S. soon. They invited Tesla to show them a proposal for an electric version of Dimer's smart car. Tesla scrambled to put together an electric smart car prototype by the time that the Diedmler team had arrived. So they bought a smart car and then put a roadster electric motor and battery pack in it. This is so great. When the Daimler executives arrived at Tesla, they were expecting some lame PowerPoint presentation. Then Elon asked them if they wanted to drive the car. Tesla had created a working model. Dymer executives were shocked. So they put the Daimler executives inside the car. The car bolted forward in an instant and reached 60 miles per hours in four seconds. It blew them
Starting point is 00:38:53 away. Elon then asked Daimler to invest. Daimler agreed to take a 50 million. million dollar equity stake in Tesla. This is what Elon said about this. If Daimler had not invested in Tesla at that time, we would have died. Before we get back into the book, I need to tell you more about this idea. This idea that showmanship is showmanship is extremely important. Steve Jobs said that the storyteller is the most powerful person in the world. Don Valentine, founder Sequoia. He has this great line about this too. He says the art of storytelling is critically important. Most of the entrepreneurs who come talk to us can't tell a story. Learning to tell a story is incredibly important because that's how the money works. The money flows as a function of the stories. That is exactly
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Starting point is 00:40:20 you should invest heavily in it, and you can do that by going to collateral.com. Now, another thing that Elon's going to repeat, and he learns this through pain, do the capacity to keep going through immense amounts of pain, is if your design is hard to manufacture in large numbers, then your design is flawed. He says design is not just about aesthetics, the true industrial design must connect the looks of a product to its engineering. There's actually a great quote about design from state. Steve Jobs in this book that I think is exactly the way Elon thinks about it.
Starting point is 00:40:54 And this is what Steve said. In most people's vocabularies, design means veneer. Nothing could be further from the meaning of design. Design is the fundamental soul of a man-made creation that ends up expressing itself in successive outer layers. One of the things I love about Elon and that he'll use this same idea throughout all these different companies. He's going to prioritize personality and fun and unexpectedness. in his products. So in early examples, if you saw one of the early Model S sedans that Tesla makes,
Starting point is 00:41:26 the head designer at Tesla came up with an idea where it's like, okay, the door handles, we're going to keep them flush to the car. And then when you walk up to it, they would pop out and they would light up. And he described this like the car having a happy handshake when the driver approached with a key. And so everybody told Elon around him was like, yeah, but a door handle, like just a regular door handle, would work just as well, but it says Elon immediately embraced the idea. It would send a chirpy signal of friendliness. The handle senses your approach, lights up, pops out to greet you, and it's magical, Elon said.
Starting point is 00:41:59 And it's also fun and unexpected. And I think it's tied to showmanship as a form of showmanship is salesmanship. When you surprise your customers, when you delight them, they form a deeper emotional bond with your company, but they also tell other people. It's inhuman nature to share things that surprise us. So then we see another example of him combined. finding a few principles together, the fact that he's just absolutely relentless about reducing costs and he's relentless about constantly questioning requirements and regulations. He doesn't believe the world is static.
Starting point is 00:42:28 He definitely believes he can bend it to his will. He'll get laws changed on his behalf later on in the book. We'll get there. It says, Elon saved money by questioning requirements. When he asked his team, why it would cost $2 million to build a pair of cranes? These are cranes or so little for rockets. He was shown all the safety regulations imposed by the Air Force. Most were obsolete.
Starting point is 00:42:48 So SpaceX then goes to the Air Force. And they start questioning them. And it says SpaceX was able to convince the military to revise them. The cranes ended up costing $300,000 instead. He does this over and over again, but the way he does it, too, it's just really, really smart. He's just constantly comparing costs for parts and materials to other industries and other use cases. So here's an example. Elon constantly pressed his team to source components from non-airospace companies.
Starting point is 00:43:11 The latches used by NASA costs $1,500 each. A SpaceX engineer was able to modify a latch used in a bathroom stall and create a locking mechanism that only cost $30. So there's one example. Here's another one. When an engineer told Elon the air cooling system for the Falcon 9 would cost $3 million, he shouted over to Gwen Shotwell to ask her what an air conditioning system for a house cost. About $6,000, she said.
Starting point is 00:43:37 So the SpaceX team bought some commercial air conditioning units and modified their pumps so they could work atop the rocket. And then we see him again apply that principle, that a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. The day before launch, a final inspection, revealed two small cracks in the engine skirt of the rocket's second state. Everyone at NASA assumed we'd be standing down from the launch for a few weeks. The usual plan would then be to replace the entire engine.
Starting point is 00:44:03 What if we just cut the skirt, Elon said? Like literally, cut around it. Why not just trim off a tiny bit of the bottom that had the two cracks? Using a big pair of shears, the skirt was trimmed and the rocket launched the next day. It took less than an hour to make the decision. Three more principles combined that repeat over and over again, Elon's anti-outsourcing, pro-control, and pro-daily iteration. By sending their factories abroad, American companies save labor costs,
Starting point is 00:44:35 but they lost the daily feel for ways to improve their products. Elon bucked this trend. He wanted to have tight control of the manufacturing process. He believed that designing the factory to build the car, the machine that builds the machine, was as important as designing the car itself. Tesla's design manufacturing feedback loop gave it a competitive advantage, allowing it to innovate on a daily basis. And he has a great way of describing why this is so important, why this is where he spends most of his time. Elon took on the manufacturing, the materials, the huge factories.
Starting point is 00:45:10 He spent more time walking assembly lines than he did walking around the design studio. This is why. This is what he said. The brain strain of designing the car is tiny compared to the brain strain of designing the factory. And then we see over and over again he's going to use that same idea. Make sure that your team feels the immediate pain and feedback of their work. When redesigning the factory, Elon put the cubicles for the engineers right on the edge of the assembly lines so that they would see the flashing lights and hear the complaints whenever one of their design elements, caused a slowdown. Elon often corralled the engineers to walk up and down the lines with him.
Starting point is 00:45:46 And he combines that with the fact that he is going to demand, to demand, to demand excellence. So he gets one of the first Model S's that come off the assembly line. And he is, he's like, this sucks. And what is he going to do? When Elon gets angry, he is quick to pull the trigger. So he gets the Model S. He thinks the product sucks. So he fired three production quality chiefs in quick succession. His focus was always on root causes. what in the design was to blame for the production line problem. Think about that. You get a car off an assembly line.
Starting point is 00:46:17 You're like, what in the assembly line caused this poor quality? He goes all the way back to the root cause. What in the design was to blame for the production line problem. And so I don't know if Elon has any tattoos, but if he did, I would imagine he's got the word hardcore tattooed somewhere on his body because that is one of his favorite words. It's one of his favorite concepts. this idea of hardcore.
Starting point is 00:46:41 He used it to describe the workplace culture that he wanted. As the Model S production line ramped up, he spelled out his creed in an email to employees, titled Ultra Hardcore. It read, please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have experienced before. Revolutionizing industries is not for the fate of heart.
Starting point is 00:47:03 And so this next part is a great description of why I've just identified this handful of principles that you see a problem. appear over and over again in chronological order applied across decades and multiple companies because everything is connected. He's maniacal about repeating himself. He's maniacal about simplifying. He's maniacal about reducing costs. He's maniacal about deleting. He's maniacal about framing his endeavors as having epoch making significance. In four sentences, you see all of these at play, like a mountain climber. Paring the contents of his knapsack, Elon obsessed over reducing the weight of his rockets. That has a multiplier effect, removing a bit of weight by deleting a part, using a lighter
Starting point is 00:47:43 material, making simpler welds, results in less fuel needed, which further reduces the mass the engines have to lift. When he walked through the space X's assembly lines, Elon would pause at each station, stare silently, and challenge the team to delete or trim some part. At almost every encounter. He maniacally hammered home the message. A fully reusable rocket is the difference between being a single planet civilization and being a multi-planetary one. I think the implication of everything that you and I are talking about is really important. The unrelenting application of his core principles over decades. That is how greatness is built. In his relentless quest to conquer gravity, Elon kept hammering at us to eke out a tiny percent more efficiency. A few times when an
Starting point is 00:48:30 employee pushed back saying it would present challenges with valves and leaks, Elon was unrelenting. There is no first principles reason this cannot work. It's extraordinary difficult, I know, but you have to muscle through. Elon liked to focus on work. He treated the rest of his life as an unpleasant distraction. The sheer amount of time that I spend at work was so extreme that any relationship was very difficult to maintain, he said. SpaceX and Tesla were difficult individually. Doing them both at the same time was almost impossible. So it was all just work all of the time. Again, Elon was not bred for domestic tranquility. Another one of his ideas that I think is very interesting, and it was not obvious to me until I went back and re-read certain parts over and
Starting point is 00:49:16 and over again. He will compare the products he's building to how things work in the natural world, like how a gopher digs a hole or how humans drive. So this is the first time I'm going to mention this. You'll see this a few times. Elon resisted the use of LiDAR. that a self-driving system should only use visual data from cameras. The reason he said it is because humans drove only using visual data, therefore machines should be able to, too. He thought there was no first principles reason that machines couldn't drive just like humans did. And so you see this later on.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Even though what they're trying to achieve is almost impossible, he distills it down into a sentence that you understand. Make the car drive like we do. Or dig this hole like the gopher in my front yard does. Or manufacture the bottom of a Tesla just like this toy car does. are when working on autonomy, why can't the car drive itself from my home to work? So, again, inventing all the technology to actually do that is insanely difficult, but you understand where he's trying to go to.
Starting point is 00:50:10 And so at this point, he's starting all these other companies. But again, he just takes that same principles that he was using his other companies, applies them to the new companies. This is an example of that a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. You start now. And he's having this conversation. Did you ever notice that cities are built in 3D, but roads are only built in 2D, Elon said. You could build roads in 3D by building tunnels under cities, he said. So he called
Starting point is 00:50:33 Steve Davis, a trusted engineer at SpaceX. That's another thing that I need to point out to you. Because he's running so many companies, he's constantly taking like talent from other companies. And when there's problems, he like air drops them in, like almost like a Navy SEAL unit or something. So here's an example. He called Steve Davis. Now he's about to start the boring company, okay? He called Steve Davis, a trusted engineer at SpaceX. It was 2 a.m. But Davis agreed to study ways to build tunnels quickly and inexpensively. And again, I'm going to pause here and interrupt myself. One of the things that's obvious if you read the book is, is Elon's full use of time. It doesn't matter what day it is, what time it is. The right time would be right now, I guess is the way to think about it. So it's
Starting point is 00:51:12 2 a.m. I'm going to call this guy. You need to start studying how to build tunnels quickly and inexpensively. And then Elon goes, and I'll call you back in three hours. Again, you start now. Maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. When Elon called him back, Davis had figured out a few ideas for using a standard tunneling machine to bore a simple 40-foot diameter round hole and not have to reinforce it with concrete. How much do these machines cost? Elon asked. Davis told him $5 million. Buy two of them and have them when I get back. And so even though it's a new company, it's the same Elon. He's going to go to where that work is actually done and he's going to teach you his algorithm. You're going to move maniacally fast. You're going to delete. You're going to
Starting point is 00:51:49 simplify and you're going to compare. And this is what I mean. Elon would frequently check on the progress. How can we move faster? What are the impediments? He spent a lot of time giving us lessons about the importance of deleting steps and simplifying. For example, they were drilling a vertical shaft at the beginning of the tunnel to lower in the tunneling machine. The gopher in my yard doesn't do that, Elon said. So they ended up redesigning the tunneling machine so that it could simply be aimed nose down and start bearing into the ground.
Starting point is 00:52:19 As you can imagine this 24-7 all-consuming work schedule that he maintains is incredibly stressful. And so there's a few times, not even few, there's many times where he will zone out even if you're around him and go deep into thought, but many times he has to isolate himself. And that's where he'll do his best thinking. So I'm going to read this to you and then I'm going to read my note. And so this is what he said. I've got to lay down. I've got to shut off the lights. I need some time alone. So Jim Simons, the founder of Renaissance Technologies, okay, I read his biography twice. The first time I read it was like five years ago. The idea that he used in that book is one of the most effective ideas I've ever found in a book because I started
Starting point is 00:52:56 using it since then. So what Jim Simons would do, he would lay down in the dark, in silence, no stimuli at all, and think through problems. Elon does the same. And it's interesting, he said, I've got to shut off the lights. So what I learned from Jim Simon's is you lay flat, you're on a couch or on the bed and on the floor. It has to be completely silent. I put in like little soft like foam earplugs, and then I put a sleep mask on. So I can't hear or see anything. I don't try to control my thoughts. I just listen to my mind.
Starting point is 00:53:28 And because you have no stimuli for 20, 30 minutes, an hour, however long you do this, it's remarkable how you find solutions to something you're thinking about and then how energized you feel after that. And there's some examples later in the book where Elon will sit silently staring at the wall for an entire night. So let's go back to his desire. Remember, I am wired for war. I think he likes chaos.
Starting point is 00:53:47 I think when things are going well, it's not. He's just not suited for that. He wants to be hardcore all the time. This is when they're ramping up production. They have to build 5,000 Model 3s per week or they die. The major challenge for us over the next six to nine months is how do we build a huge number of cars? Frankly, we're going to be in production hell. This is Elon talking to his employees.
Starting point is 00:54:06 He told all of his employees, I look forward to working alongside you journeying through hell. As the saying goes, if you're going through hell, just keep going. And again, we see amazing how consistent. even when he's on the precipice of death, on the precipice of bankruptcy, how consistent his operating principles are, big goals, tight deadlines, up to the edge of bankruptcy, him living at the company until the job is done, with constant repetition of their organizing principle in an easy to understand way. And so in this case, he distills it down, 5,000 cars a week or were dead. Elon had one primary focus, ramping up production so that Tesla was churning out
Starting point is 00:54:42 5,000 Model 3s per week. He had done the calculations of the company's costs, overhead, and cash flow. If it hit that rate, Tesla would survive. If not, it would run out of money. He repeated like a mantra, there's that word again, to every executive. And he installed monitors at the factory showing the up-to-the-minute output of cars and components. Elon decided he had to move himself, literally, into the factory floor and lead an all-in search. And he expects you to work just like he does. He will never ask you to do something he's not doing, but he expects to do this.
Starting point is 00:55:11 He calls up one of his employees, and he says, hey, meet me at the Van Nuys air strip in an hour. We flew to Reno, and I end up staying there for four months. the way I would describe what just happened. When? Now. And so this is when he's starting to develop and really refine the algorithm, which is, again, I think of probably the most important idea in the entire book. I'm going to read you my note first.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Find the bottleneck. Keep asking why until you get to the root cause. Then delete and simplify. You don't have to be a genius to do this. You just have to constantly apply these ideas over a long period of time. They go against human nature, even for smart people. Our nature is to overcomplicate and go along with the flow. What do I mean by that?
Starting point is 00:55:50 Elon noticed the assembly line was being slowed at a station where strips of fiberglass were glued to the battery packs by an expensive but slow robot. I realized that the first error was trying to automate the process, which was my fault because I pushed for a lot of automation, he says. Elon asked a basic question, what the hell are these strips for? The engineering team told him that it had been specified by the noise reduction team to cut down on vibrations. So Elon called the noise reduction team, which told him that the specialization. classification came from the engineering team to reduce the risk of fire. It was like being in a Dilbert cartoon, Elon says. So he ordered them to record the sound inside the car without the fiberglass and then with the fiberglass. See if you can tell the difference he
Starting point is 00:56:35 told them. They couldn't. Step one should be to question the requirements, Elon said. Make them less wrong and dumb because all requirements are somewhat wrong and dumb. And then delete, delete, delete. The same approach worked even on the smallest details. For example, when the battery packs were completed in Nevada, little plastic caps were put on the prongs that would plug it into the car. When the battery got to the Fremont factory, the plastic caps were removed and discarded. Sometimes they would run out of caps in Nevada and have to hold up shipment for the batteries. When Elon asked why the caps existed,
Starting point is 00:57:12 he was told that they had been specified to make sure the pins did not get bent. who specified that requirement he said the factory team scrambled to find out but they weren't able to come up with the name so delete them elon said they did and it turned out that they never had a problem with bent pins so i think those two stories a great example of why he's just saying you have to constantly question requirements and you're going to be surprised at how much you can delete and simplify and so as you can imagine as he's going through production hell he's also firing a lot of people And so he repeats himself here. By trying to be nice to people, you're actually not being nice to the dozens of other people who are doing their jobs well and will get hurt if I don't fix the problem spots.
Starting point is 00:57:56 So if you remember earlier when we were talking about the fact that the most successful people also have the most failures and the great thing is you see all these examples of Elon making a decision that he'll come to regret later. So he's constantly learning and updating it. So he was obsessed with automation. This is when he starts updating the Elon algorithm and he goes all in on de-automation. And there's probably 300 pages left in the book from where we are, and he's just relentless about this. This is excessively, excessively important to him. One of the most important ideas that he learned, and it came 25 years into his career. So we had this enormously automated production line that used tons of robots.
Starting point is 00:58:32 There was one problem. It didn't work. Elon flipped from being an apostle of automation to a new mission that he pursued with similar zeal. Find any part of the line where there was a holdup and see if de-automation would make it go faster. We began sawing robots out of the production line and throwing them into the parking lot. We had to put a hole in the side of the building just to remove all the equipment, Elon said. The experience became a lesson that would become part of Elon's production algorithm. Always wait until the end of designing a process after you have questioned all the requirements and deleted
Starting point is 00:59:06 unnecessary parts before you introduce automation. And so we see another one of his great ideas. you need to have an easy way to see data that allows you to identify a problem. And then once you do, you need to get your ass straight to that problem. So he calls this walk to the red. There was a monitor that showed each station on the assembly line with a green or red light indicating whether it was flowing properly. So Elon was able to walk the floor and hone in on the trouble spots. He called this walking to the red.
Starting point is 00:59:36 He would head straight to any red light he saw. What's the problem? A part was missing. well who's in charge of the part get him over here a sensor keeps tripping who calibrated it find someone who can open the console can we adjust the settings why do we even need that fucking sensor Elon would then resume his procession through the factory looking for the red lights and so he's just constantly questioning things and trying to find the limit why do we have to have four bolts there who set that specification can we do it with two they would say no we'll try it see if it
Starting point is 01:00:07 fails and then on and on and on he just moves down the line so this is is what I mentioned earlier. You need to be decisive or you're going to be dead. Elon calculated that he made a hundred command decisions a day as he walked the floor. At least 20% are going to be wrong, he said, and we're going to alter them later. But if I don't make decisions, we die. He then turns it into a game. Elon started walking the conveyor line, wielding a can of orange spray paint. Go or stay, he'd ask his vice president of engineering.
Starting point is 01:00:36 If the answer was go, the robot would be marked with an orange X and workers would tear it off the line. Elon took responsibility. This is another thing he does over and over again. He accepts full responsibility and blame. Elon took responsibility for the over automation. He even announced it publicly. Excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake. To be precise, my mistake. Humans are underrated. And so they're still in production hell. They still have not hit the goal that would keep Tesla alive, which is we have to make 5,000 Model 3s a week. Now, one of the most fascinating things that I've already said once to you, but I think we'll keep being more and more obvious as we go through this, is that Elon takes lessons from everything around him, how humans
Starting point is 01:01:17 use eyes to drive, how gophers dig holes, how toys are manufactured. He will get countless ideas from science fiction books, from science fiction games and movies. He will also take examples from history. He loves military history, and he will apply that to car production. Elon likes military history. He recounted a story about World War II. When the government government needed to rush the making of bombers. It set up production lines in the parking lots of the aerospace companies in California. Start building a huge tent in the parking lot, he said. Just three weeks after Elon came up with the idea, the new assembly line was rolling Model 3 sedans out of a makeshift tent in Tesla's parking lot. And then he says one of the
Starting point is 01:01:58 best lines in the book describing this. If conventional thinking makes your mission impossible, then unconventional thinking is necessary. A few weeks later, Tesla starts manufacturing 5,000 cars a week. And that brings us to what I think is the most important part of this entire book, Elon's algorithm. At any given production meeting, there is a non-trivial chance that Elon will in tone, like a mantra, what he calls the algorithm. It was shaped by the lessons he learned during the production hell surges at the Nevada and Fremont factories. his executives sometimes move their lips and mouth the words. I would argue that, you know, I tell you over there again, that reputation is persuasive.
Starting point is 01:02:44 If your executives and the other leaders on your team don't already know where you're about to say, you're not saying it enough. And I think Elon would agree with me because listen to what Elon says. I became a broken record on the algorithm. I think it's helpful to say it to an annoyingly degree. So we're going to go run through this and then we're going to run some additions to the algorithm. The algorithm had five commandants. Number one, question every requirement. Each should come with the name of the person who made it.
Starting point is 01:03:10 You should never accept that a requirement came from a department, such as the legal department or the safety department. You need to know the name of the real person who made the requirement. Then you should question it, no matter how smart that person is. Requirements from smart people are the most dangerous because people are less likely to question them. Always do so, even if the requirement came from me. Then you need to make the requirements less dumb. Number two, delete any part of the process you can.
Starting point is 01:03:36 You may have to add them back later. In fact, if you do not end up adding back at least 10% of them, then you didn't delete enough. Number three, simplify and organize. This should come after step two. A common mistake is to simplify and optimize a part or a process that should never exist. Number four, accelerate cycle time. Every process can be sped up, but only do this after you have followed the first three
Starting point is 01:04:01 steps in the Tesla factory I mistakenly spent a lot of time accelerating processes that I later realized should have been deleted. Number five, automate. This comes last. The big mistake in Nevada and at Fremont was that I began by trying to automate every step. We should have waited until all the requirements had been questioned, parts and processes deleted, and the bugs were shaken out. So there's a few other additional ideas that are related and accompany the algorithm. These are I consider these like the postscripts to the algorithm. Number one, all technical managers must have hands-on experience. For example, managers of software teams must spend at least 20% of their time coding. Solar roof managers must spend time on the roofs doing installations.
Starting point is 01:04:48 Otherwise, they're like a cavalry leader who can't ride a horse or a general who can't use a sword. Number two, camaraderie is dangerous. It makes it hard for people to challenge each other's work. There is a tendency to not want to throw a colleague under the bus. That needs to be avoided. Number three, it's okay to be wrong. Just don't be confident and wrong. Number four, never ask your troops to do something you're not willing to do. Number five, whenever there are problems to solve, don't just meet with your managers. Do a skip level where you meet with the level right below your managers. You'll see many times Elon just goes to the people that are actually doing the actual work. Number six, when hiring, look for people with the right.
Starting point is 01:05:30 attitude. Skills can be taught. Attitude change requires a brain transplant. Seven, a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. Eight, the only rules are the ones dictated by the laws of physics. Everything else is a recommendation. And so as you can imagine, many of Elon's top executives fled during the 2018 production hell. Elon is not sentimental about people leaving. He likes fresh blood. He is more concerned with a phenomenon he calls phoning in rich, meaning people have worked at the company for a long time and because they have enough money in vacation homes, no longer hunger to stay all night on the factory floor. So Elon likes fresh blood. If he's focused on a particular thing, he will not get stimulation nor consume any
Starting point is 01:06:12 inputs from the outside. Stuff can be right in front of his eyes and he won't see it. So he can be lost deep in thought and not receive outside stimuli. I've only read that to you, maybe a handful times. It's in the book over and over and over again. But I think you get it by now. Here's another thing. Laws can be changed. If you think laws can be changed, that's just another way of saying question every requirement. Elon was allergic to joint ventures. He did not share control well. Tesla had a big challenge. How are we going to manufacture in China? Because at the time, the Chinese government insisted that you have to do a joint venture. But Elon was resistant to have Tesla form a joint venture. Every other car company, though, had done just that. So he had
Starting point is 01:06:49 to convince China's top leaders to change a law that had defined Chinese manufacturing growth for three decades. So month after month after month, they lobbied the Chinese government. China finally agreed in 2018 to let Tesla build a factory without having to enter a joint venture. Again, that's another example of question every requirement. Go back to this idea that a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. Well, what does Elon do if you move too slow? One Sunday night, without much warning, Elon flew to Seattle to fire the entire top Starlink team. He brought with him eight of his most senior SpaceX rocket engineers. None of them knew much about satellites, but they all knew how to solve engineering problems
Starting point is 01:07:28 and apply Elon's algorithm. They threw away the existing design and started back at first principles level and questioned every requirement based on fundamental physics. Another thing that you'll see Elon do it over again, we have to find the limit. Let's find the limit. I want to delete as much as possible, and we can't do that unless we find the limit. So it says SpaceX contracted with a company that erected stainless steel water towers. Elon talked to the workers, so those actually doing the welding, not the company executives, the people doing the welding.
Starting point is 01:07:56 And he's asking him, well, what do you think is safe? He's asking, like, how thin can we make these walls? And one of Elon's rules is go as close to the source as possible for information. So the line workers said that they thought the tank walls could get as thin as 4.8 millimeters. I think you already know what Elon's going to say here. What about four? Elon asked. That would make us pretty nervous. One of the workers replied, OK, Elon said, let's do four millimeters.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Let's give it a try. It worked. And again, I think what he's doing there, he's like, well, I know one of my principles, I want to delete as much as possible. I think he says the best part is no part later on. So I want to delete as much as possible. I can't do that unless I actually know where the limit is. I have to find the line.
Starting point is 01:08:35 And I think the fact that I've spent, I don't know, 10 days now, like in Elon's brain thinking about this, rereading everything, editing it down, deleting. I think my own personal takeaway is stop thinking that you have limits. Stop giving into imaginary delays. And I think one of the smartest ways that Elon teaches that is just start with whatever you have in front of you. Whatever is available right now and go.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Resist your innate urge to overcomplicate things. Elon became frustrated at the slow pace. The crew had still not even made one dome that would fit perfectly on Starship. He issued a challenge. Build a dome by dawn. That was not feasible, he was told, because they didn't have the equipment to calibrate the precise size. This is what Elon said when he heard that.
Starting point is 01:09:17 We're going to make a dome by dawn if it fucking kills. us. Slice off the end of that rocket barrel and use that as your fitting tool. They did so and he, this is key though. He stays with them. He's in the factories. He's on the roofs. He's under the cars. They did so and he stayed with the team of four engineers and welders until the dome was finished. We didn't actually have a dome by dawn. It took us until about 9 a.m. Stop thinking you have limits. Stop giving into imaginary delays. Start with whatever you have in front of you, whatever is available to you right now and go. Resist the urge to overcomplicate. Elon sat. This is, again, it's fascinating to me. Long time spent in silent thought. This is the
Starting point is 01:10:02 opposite of our modern world. He spent an insane amount of time in silent thought. Elon sat upright on the edge of his bed next to Grimes, this was his girlfriend at the time, unable to sleep. Some nights, he did not move until dawn. One night he left the light on and just stared into space silently. Every couple of hours, I would wake up, and he was just still, sitting there completely still in the thinking man's statue post, just completely silent on the edge of the bed. And so this next part, I've already mentioned a few times, but I didn't tell you how he actually did this. He has this really interesting appreciation for the toy industry, and then he's just got this relentless dedication to questioning requirements and working from first principles. Elon was playing with a toy version of the Model S. He noticed that the entire underbody of the car had been die cast as one piece of metal.
Starting point is 01:10:49 Why can't we do that? One of his engineers pointed out that there's no casting machines to handle something that size. That answer did not satisfy Elon. Go figure out how to do it. Ask for a bigger casting machine. It's not as if this would break the laws of physics. They then called six major casting companies and five of them dismissed the concept. But one company agreed to take on the challenge and built the world's largest casting machine.
Starting point is 01:11:14 The process reinforced Elon's appreciation for the toy industry. They have to produce things very quickly and cheaply without floor. laws and manufacture them all by Christmas are there will be sad faces, he said. He repeatedly pushed his teams to get ideas from toys, such as robots and Legos. He spoke about the high precision molding of Lego pieces. They are accurate and identical to within 10 microns of each other, which means any part can be easily replaced by another. Car components should be that way.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Precision is not expensive, Elon said. It is mostly about caring. Do you care to make it precise? Then you can make it precise. And so we see another quick story. Combines a bunch of these operating principles, the fact that you're going to maintain a maniacal sense of urgency, you're going to work all the hours,
Starting point is 01:12:02 you're going to be hardcore. You will move into the company and that he insists on being a frontline general. He has a great quote about this later. Elon feared complacency. Unless he maintained a maniacal sense of urgency, SpaceX could end up flabby and slow. He paid a late night visit to Pad 3rd.
Starting point is 01:12:18 39A, which a launchpad, there were only two people working. He expected everyone to work with an unrelenting intensity. We have 783 employees working at the Cape, he said, in a cold rage. Why are there only two of them working now? He went into hardcore all-in mode. He moved into the hangar at Cape Canaveral and went to work around the clock. And so Elon has that intense desire to work maniacally hard. And one way to make sure that everybody around him has that,
Starting point is 01:12:46 he doesn't delegate the hiring decisions. And so at this point in SpaceX history, he's still interviewing every engineer hired. And so it says when hiring or promoting, he made a point of prioritizing attitude over a resume. And his definition of a good attitude was a desire to work maniacally hard. And so he's constantly bringing in new people, but he will also, remember he's like, I'm worried about people phoning and rich, he will also push old people out. He is remorseless. He is mission first. So he is sending an email.
Starting point is 01:13:15 He's going to wind up pushing out one of the first engineers that worked on Space Space. sex. This guy worked there for 18 years. Remember, he said that camaraderie is dangerous and makes it hard for people to challenge each other's work. There's a tendency to not want to throw a colleague under the bus and that you should be avoiding it. So he sends this email to this guy and it's been working with him for 18 years. You did an awesome job over many years. But eventually everyone's time comes to retire. Yours is now. Back to Elon comparing his work to other industries again and being easy to understand. Rockets should be like airplanes. They should take off land and then take off again as soon as possible. Another repeated saying of Elon's. The best part
Starting point is 01:13:53 is no part. Delete. Delete. Remember, we're working through this book in Chronology Corner. The repetition is intentional. Do not get too close to your employees. Emotions blur judgment. Commertery is dangerous. Elon began with a lecture on collegiality. I want to be super clear. You are not a friend of the engineers. You are the judge. If you're popular among your engineers, this is bad. If you don't step on toes, I will fire you. Is that clear? And Elon is absolutely unrelenting. You must know your area of the company down to the ground. So he's going to quiz you on the idiot index. If the ratio is high, you are an idiot. He's going to drill his employees on this. So he says, what are the best parts in Raptor as judged by the idiot index? He's talking to this guy named Hughes. I'm not sure. I will
Starting point is 01:14:40 find out. Elon says, you better fucking be sure in the future that you know these things off the top of your head. If you ever come into a meeting and do not know what the idiot parts are, then your resignation will be accepted immediately. How the fuck can you not know what the best and the worst parts are? He continues, what are the five worst parts? Hughes says, there is the half-nauzel jacket. I think it costs $13,000. Elon replies, it's made of a single piece of steel. How much does that material cost? Hughes responds, I think a few thousand dollars. Elon, of course, because he's upset. maniacal about costs he knows the answer no it's just steel it's 200 bucks if you don't improve your resignation will be accepted and so after this happened the author is asking him like don't you
Starting point is 01:15:27 think you were too harsh with this guy and elin's response was i give people hardcore feedback i try to criticize the action not the person physics does not care about hurt feelings it cares about whether you've got the rocket right and then we see more repetition on repetition Repetition is persuasive. You are not repeating yourself enough. You have to say it again. Elon often repeats himself in meetings. He wants to know that you've listened. His employees learn to repeat his feedback. And one of these things that he repeats is you need to be a frontline general. You have to stay as close to the work as possible. He loves being a battlefield general on the front lines. He repeats it over and over again. He's going to reference Napoleon a little bit. What he says is when Elon asked him how many solar roofs he installed, Tony explained. He was an engineer and had not actually been doing, had not actually been on the roof doing the installation then you don't fucking know what you're fucking talking about elin said that's why your roofs are shit and take so long to install so then this guy spends the entire next day installing roofs and then what elin will do to is if something's important he sees the problem he will make sure that you're meeting about that problem every 24
Starting point is 01:16:32 hours him with him until it's fixed and so just making this engineer install the roofs was a very valuable form of education for the engineer so even within the next 24 hours the the the next meeting they had went a lot better. And then he makes sure that the guy keeps installing, you know, what he said, 20% of the time, you should actually be doing the actual work. And one of the reasons this is so important is because they'll see the problem with the design and the engineering when they actually try to manufacture it to make it. And then you also notice that his adherence to the mission, his dedication to the mission, it's why he works, you know, maniacally hard, but it's also why he has a problem with developing personal relationships. So
Starting point is 01:17:09 his his ex-girlfriend, Grimes, actually writes a song about. him. And the song, when you read the lyrics, I think it's really illustrative of Elon as a person. It's called the player of games. And I think the most important line in the song is he'll always love the game more than he loves me. And I think that's why a lot of the founders that you and I cover on the podcast and we talk about, they have such, they're not bred for domestic tranquility. They have a lot of problems maintaining long-term relationships. And then just in this random conversation he was having, It was interested to hear Elon's take on like, okay, you're running all these companies. But like, which one is actually most important?
Starting point is 01:17:47 And he said something that was very fascinating to me. He says, building mass market electric cars was inevitable. It would have happened without me. But becoming a space-faring civilization is not inevitable. To me, it's like he's saying, SpaceX is the most important. In fact, one of my favorite investment firms has a very simple thesis, invest only in things that wouldn't happen without us. If we don't make this investment, it's not going to happen. And what's fascinating is if you look at their portfolio, it's insanely highly concentrated,
Starting point is 01:18:15 tiny number of bets, but those bets are massive. And I love the idea of us deciding on, like, what are we going to work on? Like, what do we want to dedicate our life to? Dedicated to something that wouldn't happen without you is a very interesting organizing principle to me. Back to Elon's idea that if we are slow, we are dead. Again, just very straightforward, clear thinking. It was better to try and fail rather than analyze the issue for months.
Starting point is 01:18:37 If you make this thing fast, you can find out fast. And then you can fix it fast. And so at the time, he's trying to drastically simplify the Raptor engine design, which there's this great picture. You could just Google, you know, Raptor design over time. And you see the actual application of his algorithm and his simplification and is deleting. It's just absolutely beautiful. But again, it goes back to, like, if it's important, Elon's going to do it himself.
Starting point is 01:18:59 Elon interviews and picks the talent himself. Elon was looking for someone who might be able to oversee Raptor design. So he started having one-on-one sessions, peppering mid-level engineers with questions. After a few weeks, a young engineer began to stand out. And when you pick the person, what does he do? He starts to teach the person. He starts to indoctrinate the person to the algorithm. He's going to repeat over and over again.
Starting point is 01:19:21 You need to keep everything together so the feedback is immediate. He says, I created separate design and production groups a long time ago, and that was a bullshit mistake. You are responsible for the production process. You cannot hand this off to someone else. If the design is expensive to produce, you change the design. you move your desks next to the assembly line. And so he says later on that the people on the assembly line should be able to immediately call her a designer or an engineer
Starting point is 01:19:46 and say, why the fuck did you make it this way? It goes back to that idea. What he said, if your hand is on the stove and it gets hot, you pull it off right away. But if it's someone else's hand on the stove, it's going to take you longer to do something, which goes against the fact that he says, and it repeats, ad nauseum over and over again,
Starting point is 01:20:03 a maniacal sense of urgency is our operating principle. And so as they're working on the engine design for one of his rockets, he sends this giant email with exclamation points. We are on a deletion rampage. Nothing is sacred. Any remotely questionable tubes, sensors, manifolds, et cetera, will be deleted tonight. But I just love this quote. Please go ultra-hardcore on deletion and simplification. And it's obvious he's very difficult to deal with.
Starting point is 01:20:31 But I think this next quote, it illustrates like why you would want to do this. And I think very few people are going to be able to spend their life working with him. You know, he's churning through people. There's a lot of people, especially when they're in like their 20s, they do really great. And they're like, whoa, man, I need some like more balance here as I get older. But I just love this description of him. It says, I notice that I learn more unique lessons from Elon per minute than any other human have met. It would be dumb to not spend some of your life with such a person.
Starting point is 01:21:02 So again, you may not be able to last through all this, but you're going to learn a hell of a lot working with him. And then you can use those ideas and lessons for the rest of your life. Again, going back to this ultra-hardcore on deletion and simplification. I, this sounds crazy. The very first episode I ever did of Founders, September 2016, it's a biography of Elon. I was obviously a big fan of this guy. And the idea for Founders came from Elon. I was watching an interview in 2012 that he did with this guy named Kevin Rose.
Starting point is 01:21:27 And it's on the factory floor at Tesla. I think they had, like, barely producing the model this time. And he was asked the question that was fascinating. And he was like, you know, how the hell did you learn how to build companies? Did you read a lot of business books? Did you have a lot of mentors? And he says, no, I didn't read business books and I didn't have any mentors. I looked for mentors and historical context.
Starting point is 01:21:45 And the way I did that is I read a lot of biographies. He starts naming off the biographies, Ben Franklin, Henry Ford, Nicola Tesla, etc. And I was like, oh, shit, that's a really good idea. I should read more biographies. And didn't realize that now, because of that, you know, we'll see how it goes. But I might read more biographies anywhere else in the world. The reason I bring that up is because obviously, he read a lot of books on Elon. I've spent a lot of time studying them. I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:22:07 Something about, you know, the 10th book, I think this is probably the 10th book I've read on him, or 10th time I've read a book on him. It just, I didn't understand his evangelism and his dedication to just simplification. I don't know why that wasn't in my head before in a way that now that idea is lodged in there. Like delete, delete, delete, simplify, simplify, simplify, this guy's obsessed with it. It makes perfect sense because it affects everything single everything else especially as he scales complexity is the enemy of scaling so says Elon pause silently for two minutes he he's looking at i think this is a neuralink device if i'm not mistaken says Elon pause silent for two minutes then he delivered his verdict he hated it was too
Starting point is 01:22:48 complex too many wires and connections he was in the process of deleting connections from SpaceX's raptor engines each was a possible failure point there has to be a single device yeah it is neuralink. There has to be a single device, he told the deflated neuralink engineers, a single, elegant package with no wires, no connections, no router. There was no law of physics that prevented all the functionality from being in one device. When engineers tried to explain the need for the router, Elon's face turned stony, and he said, delete, delete, delete, delete. And so I want to go back to the fact that Elon is constantly learning from everything around him, everything and experiences, he comes up with a, he was obsessed with this game called Polytopia,
Starting point is 01:23:31 and he comes with a list of Polytopia life lessons. He actually thinks playing the game will make you a better CEO. So as one key to understanding his intensity, his focus, his competitiveness, his diehard attitudes, and love of strategy is through his passion for video games. Hours of immersion became the way he led off steam and honed his tactical skills and strategic thinking for business. He became obsessed with a multiplayer strategy game on his iPhone called Polytopia. In the game, players compete to develop technology.
Starting point is 01:23:56 corner resources, and wage battles in order to build an empire? What did his passion for the game say about him? I am just wired for war, he answers. Remember, he's been repeating that maxim for decades. I am wired for war. Elon told his brother to play Polytopia because it would teach him how to be a CEO like he was. They came up with a list of Polytopia life lessons. So I just pulled out a couple here and put him into a list for you and I.
Starting point is 01:24:20 Number one, empathy is not an asset. Number two, play life like a game. Number three, do not fear losing. You will lose, Elon said. It will hurt the first 50 times. When you get used to losing, you will play each game with less emotion. You will be more fearless, take more risks. Number four, be proactive.
Starting point is 01:24:44 You will never win unless you take charge of setting the strategy. Number five, optimize every turn. In Polytopia, you only get 30 turns, so you need to optimize each one. like in Polytopia, you only get a set number of turns in life. If you let a few of them slide, we will never get to Mars. Number six, double down, put everything back into the game to grow and grow. And so I think I've mentioned a few times that, you know, this is the way Elon was in his 20s, this way he's in his 30s, I don't think he'll ever change.
Starting point is 01:25:17 I don't think he wants to change, but you'll have several examples in the book where people are like, you know, just calm down, you don't have to do this. And so I think this is just one great example. and how he thinks about himself. So someone says to him, you don't have to be in a state of war at all times. And his response was, it's part of my default settings.
Starting point is 01:25:34 Extended periods of calm are unnerving to him. And he does say something that's, I believe, I wouldn't take, obviously not as intense as he is. And he says that life needs to be interesting and edgy. And that the way that he wants to spend his life is heads down focused on doing useful things for civilization. Which also ties to what he was saying earlier in the book
Starting point is 01:25:53 that, you know, we need, it can't just be about solving. solving problems. We have to be, we have to do things that are inspiring. We have to do things that even if we think they're, you know, semi impossible. That's spending our lives, working on things that inspire you and that are good for civilization as a life well lived. And so there's this meeting they're having in SpaceX that I think combines a lot of those ideas. You know, number one, work on things that inspire you and a good for civilization. Number two, that you have to maintain a maniacal search of urgency. When something is important has to be in quickly, you should
Starting point is 01:26:20 have meetings every 24 hours to run the algorithm and then check on the previous day's progress. That's another idea that he uses over and over again. And you'll be shocked at actually how fast this speeds things up. And then number three, the fact that Elon just frames his endeavors as having epoch making significance. So here's an example of that there have to be things that inspire you that move your heart. Being a space-faring civilization and making science fiction not fiction is one of those. As they walked him through the slides, he got increasingly angry. These timelines are bullshit, a mega fail.
Starting point is 01:26:51 Like no fucking way these should take so long, he said. He decreed that they would start having meetings on Starship every night seven days a week. We are going to go through First Principles algorithm every night, questioning requirements and deleting. That's what we did to unfuck the bullshit that was Raptor. How soon he asked would it take to get the booster on the launch pad to test the engines? 10 days, he was told. That's too long. This is critical for all human destiny.
Starting point is 01:27:21 It's hard to change destiny. You can't do it from nine to five. And so this idea that he's going to move into where the problem is, he's going to be one doing the meetings every 24 hours. He talks about the fact that being a frontline general is key to being effective. And this is what he says. If they see the general out on the battlefield, the troops are going to be motivated, Elon said. Wherever Napoleon was, that's where his armies would do best. And I think that's one of the things I most admire about him.
Starting point is 01:27:49 You know, the fact that he's on the job sites, he's in the factories. he is leading from the front he is hyper focused on the problem areas he's actually got a great line about this i love all bad news should be given loudly and often good news can be said quietly and once another way that he works is if an idea worked once he'll use it again later and in a different company so this time i guess he's the same company but they're different product so they were building cars earlier right now tesla's building the optimist robots so what does elon do he goes to meeting and he brings a bunch of toys He says he believed that toys could offer lessons.
Starting point is 01:28:23 A little model car had inspired him to make real cars using big casting presses. And Legos helped him understand the importance of precision manufacturing. This idea worked when making cars. It can work when we were making robots. And then what does he do? He ties what they're working on to having epoch-making significance. Our goal is to make a useful humanoid robot as quickly as possible. This means a future of abundance, a future where there is no poverty.
Starting point is 01:28:48 It really is a fundamental transformation of civil. And so he's driving the team to develop the robot as fast as possible. Because again, if you really believe what he is saying, that we have an opportunity to create a technology that would be a fundamental transformation of civilization, you want to get there as fast as possible. And so he says the future will not get here fast enough unless we force it. Again, that's another line that Elon repeats. The fact that technological progress is not inevitable.
Starting point is 01:29:13 It can stop. It can even backslide. Technology only goes forward if a lot of people work very hard to make it do so. And so then he tells the team that's working on the Robotoxy. Same thing. We are all in on autonomy. This will be a historically mega revolutionary product. It will transform everything.
Starting point is 01:29:30 People will be talking about this moment in 100 years. And so again, if you believe that, what are you going to do? This is only going to work if we're able to manufacture tens of millions of these. So I'm going to work with you developing the manufacturing process. This is Elon spent hours each week working with his team to design each station on the line, finding waves to shave milliseconds off each step and process. It starts with the end in mind. A millisecond off of this process might not make a difference today.
Starting point is 01:29:59 It makes a hell of a big difference when we're making tens of millions of these things a year. Don't think about what we're doing as tiny improvements. They're tiny improvements today. In reality, there are massive improvements over time. And so then when he buys Twitter, we see he does the exact same thing. He takes all these engineers. He kind of like just drops them in. from his other companies, and he starts trying to remold the culture to how Elon likes his
Starting point is 01:30:24 companies to run. If you could figure out, I think if you're like, hey, can I design a culture that's a directly opposite of an Elon company? What would that be? It sounds like it was Twitter. I'm just going to read a couple of this. I wrote, Elon finds this complete opposite company culture. Twitter prided itself in being a friendly place where coddling was considered a virtue.
Starting point is 01:30:43 Everyone needs to feel safe here, says Leslie Berland, or Berland, who was chief, and people officer. She was fired by Elon. Twitter has instituted, had instituted a permanent work-from-home option and allowed a mental day of rest each month. One of the commonly used buzzwords at the company was psychological safety. Care was taken not to discomfort. Elon laughed when he heard the phrase psychological safety. It made him recoil. He considered it to be the enemy of urgency and progress. His preferred word was hardcore. Discomfort, discomfort. he believed was a good thing. It was a weapon against complacency.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Vacations, flower smelling, work-life balance, and days of mental rest were not his thing. And so he starts making changes to the product immediately. He wants to explore page changed. And so they send a message to the engineer. Of course, the engineer is not in the office. So they send a message to the engineer that was in charge of the explore page. And he sent back a message saying, I will make that fix when I get to the office on Monday. Do it right now is what he was told.
Starting point is 01:31:51 And what was fascinating is this went on for a little bit, but the engineer actually liked this decisiveness. He says, we had worked on many possible new features for years, but no one ever made decisions about them. And suddenly, we had this guy making rapid decisions. And so then Elon immediately starts implementing that core belief, that you cannot separate engineering from product design, that product design should be driven by the engineers.
Starting point is 01:32:14 And he wants his product managers to understand code. He says product managers who don't know anything about coding, keep ordering up features they don't know how to create. This is like Calvary Generals who don't know how to ride a horse. You must stay as close to the actual work as possible. Do not separate yourself from the pain of your decisions. And remember, if a timeline is long, it's wrong. And then finally, there's just a single sentence I want to end on.
Starting point is 01:32:43 I think we should keep in mind. Hopefully, Elon has decades of work. in front of him. And I think it's smart for us to resist the other distractions and just hone in on the company building principles that we can learn from him. And that sentence to keep in mind is both his accomplishments and his failures are epic.

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