Founders - How Michael Bloomberg Works

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So there I was 39 years old and essentially hearing, here's $10 million in your history. John Gutfried, managing partner of Wall Street's hottest firm, told me that my life at Solomon Brothers was finished. It's time for you to leave, he said. I was terminated from the only full-time job I'd ever known and from the high-pressure life that I loved. This, after 15 years of 12-hour days and 6-day weeks, out, fired. Most of the 63 partners were asked to stay on as employees of the new company. Not me, though, and a half a dozen other guys were pushed out at that time as well. Was I sad on the drive home? You bet. But as usual, I was much too macho to show it, and I did have
Starting point is 00:00:41 $10 million as compensation for my hurt feelings. If they had said, we had another job for you. I'd have done it in a second. Just as I did at an earlier career turning point in 1979, when Billy and John told me to give up my sales and trading responsibilities and supervise the computer systems area. I was willing to do anything that they wanted. It was a great organization and I would have been happy to stay. I would have never left voluntarily. Afterward, I didn't sit around wondering what was happening at the old firm. I didn't go back and visit. I never look over my shoulder. Once finished, gone. Life continues. So that's from the beginning of the book that I'm talked about today, which is the autobiography of Michael Bloomberg. It is called Bloomberg by Bloomberg,
Starting point is 00:01:29 And he's describing the fact that getting fired was one of the best things that ever happened to him. There's a great line by Steve Jobs that comes to mind where he says that sometimes life is going to hit you in the head with a brick, but don't lose faith. And so Bloomberg said, I didn't look back. He was going to take the $10 million that he got from sale of the company and jump right back into the arena this time as an entrepreneur. And so Bloomberg grew up working class. His parents didn't have a lot of money. I'm going to skip over childhood. I want to go right into when he went to Harvard Business School, and this is right at the end of Harvard.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Really, he's not sure what to do after college. It says my two years at Harvard were well spent. Harvard's case method teaching honed my analytical skills and sharpened my communication abilities. The academic standards there were superior, but not what I would call outstanding. There were some very bright students in my class, some classmates I thought not exactly intellectually gifted, and a few that I considered total frauds who could only talk a good game. Those who I thought were smart generally did well later in life. Those who I consider dummies did less well.
Starting point is 00:02:31 The bullshitters faded away. Street smarts and common sense, it turned out, were better predictors of career achievements. By this point, I hadn't really pondered where my life and work would take me. What should I do with my life? I talked to my good friend Steve. Steve told me to call the firms of Solomon Brothers and Goldman Sachs to say that I was desperate to be an institutional salesperson or an equity trader. Who are they?
Starting point is 00:02:57 Meaning who is Goldman Sachs and who is Solomon Brothers. And what would I be doing? Don't worry about it, Steve told me. Just do it. Not having any better ideas of my own, I made the calls. And then he makes the point that these jobs at the time were considered very like low status. He says security trading and sales
Starting point is 00:03:13 were considered second class occupations in those days. Both involved getting your hands dirty by actually picking up the telephone and talking to customers. So essentially what he's describing at this point in his life and this point in this book, essentially he's learning the meta skill of sales. I did this episode of Ken Griffin, I think last year, maybe the year before. And when one of Ken Griffin's mentors retired, he said, hey, come to my office, you can grab anything that you want. And when I thought it was interesting is Ken wanted this like $10 sign, this plaque that was in his mentor's office, has said, if we're going to eat someone's got to sell.
Starting point is 00:03:46 And then in that episode, Ken was giving advice to college students. and he says, you're always selling, and if you don't like to sell, here's my advice, get over it. I think Michael Bloomberg would agree with what Ken Griffin was saying. Talks a lot about the importance of selling, and at this point in his life was hugely beneficial in the future decades of him building his own company, one of the most valuable privately held companies in the world, by the way. Both involved getting your hands dirty by actually picking up the telephone and talking to customers. Forget the fact that almost all occupations have big selling component. You have to sell your firm, your ideas, and yourself.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Overlooked the fact that a good trading mentality is synonymous. with the ability and discipline to compartmentalize, focus, and compete for success. In those days, no self-respecting research analyst or banker ever thought of working the phones, of actually bringing in business. They thought soliciting was undignified. And this is the first few years of his company. He was probably the best salesperson of Bloomberg when he starts it. For me, with college loans to pay off, a good job was a good job. And as I would learn later in life, it's the doers, the lean and hungry ones, those with ambition in their eyes and fire in their bellies who go the furthest and achieve the most. And so I absolutely love this part because he
Starting point is 00:05:01 winds up getting an offer from both Goldman Sachs and Solomon Brothers. Goldman offers him $14,000 a year. Solomon offers him $9,000. So he wanted to take the job at Solomon. He was like, I literally would starve. I cannot live on $9,000. I have no money. I have student debt. I'm in New York City. And so essentially this is his financial situation at the beginning of his career. Look, I cannot afford to work at Solomon. So he's talking to gut-free. This is the same guy that's going to fire him many years later. I want to. I love it, but I don't own another suit of clothes. I don't have an apartment to live in. I have no cash in the bank. All I've got or outstanding student loans that I took for tuition when the part-time campus job as a school parking lot attendant didn't
Starting point is 00:05:43 pay enough. And so he says, I need $11,500. So remember, they offered him $9,000 a year. He says, fine, that's $9,000 salary, and I'll give you a $2,500 loan. And so he talks about the culture at Solomon Brothers. He says, to say that I fit into Solomon and love the industry is an understatement. I reveled in it every minute of the day. The year is 1966, and Michael Bloomberg is 24 years old. And he talks about the difference in leadership between the two different people that are going to run the firm. He absolutely loved Billy Salomon.
Starting point is 00:06:15 He says, the boss when I joined was Billy Salomon. Billy made the culture special. He was decisive and consistent as a leader. If he ever harbored doubts after making a decision, I never saw it. He was easily approachable and willing to listen to everyone's views. When he said we were going left, we went left. When he said right, right it was. We didn't have to prepare for both directions.
Starting point is 00:06:36 He set the rules. There was no different set of rules for him. He led by example. What he said, he did, and the rest of us did as well. John was a great leader too, but I always thought that he listened to too many people. It made running the firm much more difficult for him. Smart people prepared for both left and right when John succeeded Billy. This event split resources and made it harder to lead when the going got tough.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Unlike Billy, John consulted all interested parties before making a decision. No matter how noble the motive, that resulted in indecisiveness. Comparing John to Billy on leadership, I always thought John was more. egalitarian but less effective and so he starts out at the very bottom in fact he has to work in his underwear in an unconditioned bankfall this is hilarious remember it's 1996 I worked my first summer there in the cage yeah we were physically counting securities by hand it was a pretty lowly start we slaved in our underwear in an unair-conditioned bankfall with an occasional six-pack of
Starting point is 00:07:39 beer to make it more bearable and then he reinforces the low status nature of the the job that he chose, the one that he had. He had no other way to feed himself. And he's really too embarrassed to tell his friends who had, you know, at the time we were much more successful than he was. My friends asked what I was doing for work. To save face, I told him I was studying methods and procedures to simplify workflows. My friends were research analysts and investment bankers with lush private offices. And I was what can only be called a clerk. Why didn't I quit? I was too embarrassed. And then again, this was great preparation for his future career. He talks a lot about sales in the book.
Starting point is 00:08:14 He's going to give us basically this definition of what he considers a good sales technique. We did what all great salespeople do. We presented everything we had and then highlighted whatever facts enabled customers to convince themselves that they were getting a good deal. And so he's selling securities over the phone. Both of his bosses are watching him. He says, Billy and John would stand over me, watching silently while I was on the phone with a customer, head down, totally focused on making the sale, talking, explaining,
Starting point is 00:08:40 cajoling, pleading. I felt a great thrill when I closed. the deal. After I closed the deal, they would walk away without a word. There weren't any congratulations. They weren't needed. I was expected to make big trades. Before we get back into this, I want to tell you about the presenting sponsor of this podcast, Ramp. I have been reading a lot about SpaceX lately. SpaceX is one of the most valuable businesses in the world, and one of the main themes in the history of SpaceX is constantly attacking and questioning your cost. Ramp helps many of the most innovative businesses in the world do exactly that, And they do this by using first principles thinking.
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Starting point is 00:10:24 He has this love of history. So he's constantly consulting history when he has to make decisions. And when he's going to start his own company, he's just like, well, okay, like, do I want to just be in finance? Like, well, how were all the great fortunes made? And so he says, Wall Street promised vast riches, although a few of the great fortunes had been made there. From John D. Rockefeller to Sam Walton to Bill Gates, great financial success comes from starting businesses with concrete products in the real world, building jobs, creating value, and helping people. We are not yet in the story, though, where he starts Bloomberg.
Starting point is 00:10:53 He's still telling us essentially lessons that he learned at Solomon Brothers that he would use when he builds his own company. So now this is in 1967. This is a year after he starts working at Solomon Brothers. And again, didn't grow up in money. Now he's exposed to people that have a lot of money. And it's just kind of like humorous and funny stories about, you know, him peeking into this world that he didn't even know existed. Now, fast forward to this day, you know, he's rumored to be, you know, one of, if not the wealthiest person in America. I've heard a bunch of different stories about this.
Starting point is 00:11:23 That he essentially been pulling out billions and billions in dividends out of his company for, you know, more than two decades. But back at this point in story, he's in his early 20s, mid-20s, and he's going to a fancy dinner at a very nice New York restaurant. And he says, I couldn't stop gawking. It was my first time in such opulent surrounding. So he's talking about the person that's sitting next to him. And he says, her topics of conversation were equally incomprehensible. She asked, where do my family have vacation houses in Europe? In what country was our yacht registered?
Starting point is 00:11:52 Where do we keep our plane? My late father, who never earned more than $6,000 per year, would have chuckled. In front of me was more silverware per place setting than my family owned in total. I thought I'd gone through the looking glass into another, world. And so early in his career, he has a really great idea where he's like, okay, Billy's the boss. I'm going to make myself indispensable to the boss. Now, keep in mind, this is his first, second year that he's working there. Let's say 14, 15 years in the future. He's going to wind up getting $10 million and then fired from this job. But this, he would have never got the $10 million,
Starting point is 00:12:27 and then, therefore the seat capital he needed to start Bloomberg, this, you know, this very valuable business that he's still owns today, if it wasn't for the things that he's doing at this point in his career. And he's like the right thing about this book is one, it's very simple language. Bloomberg is unapologetically extreme and he's also very, very direct. And so he'll tell you a story and he's like, I don't know, this seems like obvious. Everybody should just do this. And the moral of the stories about to tell us is like you should just, if you have a job and you have a boss, like why aren't you automatically making yourself indispensable? It's the fastest way to move up. I came in every morning at 7 a.m. getting there before everyone else except Billy.
Starting point is 00:13:04 When he needed to borrow a match or talk sports, I was the only other person in the trading room, so he talked to me. At age 26, I became a buddy of the managing partner. I would stay later than anyone else when he needed someone to make an after-hour's call to a big client or someone to listen to his complaints about those who had already gone home. I was that someone. Making myself omnipresent wasn't exactly burdensome. I loved what I was doing. And developing a close working relationship with those who ran the show probably didn't hurt my career either.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I never understood why everybody else doesn't do the same thing. Make himself indispensable on the job. That was exactly what I did. And then this is one of my favorite parts in the book. This part is absolutely amazing. I'm just going to read huge chunks of the book to you from here. It's really on the importance of showing up, working hard, staying flexible, and then loving what you do. There's a handful of ideas that Bloomberg repeats throughout this entire book.
Starting point is 00:13:54 It is said that 80% of life is just showing up. I believe that. You can never have complete mastery over your existence. You can't choose the advantages you start out with, and you certainly can't can't pick your genetic intelligence level. But you can control how hard you work. I'm sure someone, someplace, is smart enough to succeed while keeping it in all in perspective and not working too hard.
Starting point is 00:14:13 But I've never met him or her. The more you work, the better you do. It's that simple. I've always outwork the other person. And if I hadn't, he or she would be writing this book. Still, I had a life. I don't remember being so driven or focused that my job got in the way of playing in the evenings and on weekends. I dated a lot. I skied and I jogged and I hit the town more than most other people.
Starting point is 00:14:38 The more you try to do, the more life you'll have. Although I was serious about my career, I never had a budget for my future. Unlike so many of my classmates, I didn't set out to be a partner or vice president at age 30 or a trillionaire at 35. Make a comprehensive scheme for the rest of my life. I had trouble filling out the part of the college application where you're to write 1500 meaningless words about what you're going to do for the next 10 years. Both at business and at home, I've never let planning get in the way of doing. Life I've found works in the following way. Daily, you're presented with many small and surprising opportunities.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Sometimes you seize one that takes you to the top. Most, though, if valuable at all, take you only a little way. To succeed, you must string together many small incremental advances, rather than count on hitting the lottery jackpot once. Trusting to great luck is a strategy not likely to work for most people. As a practical matter, constantly enhance your skills, put in as many hours as possible, and make tactical plans for the next few steps. Then, based on what actually occurs, look one more move ahead and adjust the plan.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Take lots of chances and make lots of individual spur-of-the-moment decisions. This is such a great line. Don't devise a five-year plan or a great leap forward. central planning didn't work for Stalin or Mao, and it won't work for an entrepreneur either. Every significant advance I or my companies ever made has been evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Small earned steps, not big lucky hits. I stay flexible. A reporter asked me what we at Bloomberg had failed at. My answer, after some thought, was nothing, but what we accomplished wasn't always what we set out to do. often in the process things worked that we hadn't planned on.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Unforeseen uses arose for our products, customers appeared whom we hadn't known existed, and exactly the reverse occurred for those I had been dead sure of. Planning has its place. The actual thought process sometimes leads to great new ideas, but you can only accomplish what's possible when you get there. Then, whatever your idea is, you've got to do more of it than anyone else, a task that's easier if you structure things so that you like doing them, since doing more almost always leads to greater accomplishments.
Starting point is 00:16:56 In turn, you'll have more fun, and then you'll want to do even more because of the rewards, and so on. I've always loved my work and put in a lot of time, which has helped make me successful. I truly pity people who don't like their jobs. They struggle at work so unhappily for ultimately so much less success, and thus develop even more reason to hate their occupations. There's too much delightful stuff to do in this short lifetime, not to love getting up on a weekday morning. And then he brings the story to after he got fired and starting Bloomberg.
Starting point is 00:17:28 And again, I've said this a few times, I think Bloomberg is unapologetically extreme. And you see that right here in this paragraph. He says, did I want to risk an imperising and costly failure? Absolutely. Happiness for me has always been the thrill of the unknown. Trying something that everyone says can't be done. Feeling that gnawing put in my stomach that says danger ahead. I want action.
Starting point is 00:17:50 I want challenge. Work was, is, and always will be a very big part of my life. I love it. Even today, after toiling for 50 years, I wake up looking forward to getting in early, practicing my profession, creating something, and competing against the best. It is a real high to be a participant rather than a spectator. Think about the percentage of your life spent working. If you're not content doing it, you're probably pretty miserable with the situation.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Change it. and then he advice that gives to start a company think about what you do better than anyone else. I would start a company that would help financial organizations. There were better traders and salespeople. There were better managers and computer experts,
Starting point is 00:18:31 but nobody had more knowledge of the securities and investment industries and of how technology could help them. I wanted to create something that would make smart investors out of mediocre ones and would create a competitive advantage over anyone lacking these capabilities.
Starting point is 00:18:45 And then he goes back to this thing that he repeats. He's like, stop overanalyzing, stop planning too much. Just start. If you're going to succeed, you need a vision. One that's affordable, practical, and fills a customer need. Then go for it. Don't worry too much about the details.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Do not second-guess your creativity. Avoid over-analyzing your new project's potential. He talks about the people stay away from. He talks a lot of shit about bankers and venture capitalists in the book. So it says banks and venture capitalists can be the worst enemies of entrepreneurs. They create doubt in entrepreneurs' minds. And worst of all, they think that an originator will be helpful. by their oh in oh this is funny and worst of all they think that the originator
Starting point is 00:19:24 meaning him in this case situation will be helped by their oh so insightful views on how he or she should run the new business often they kill off what's different special and full of potential and so he gives an example of this happening early in his career early in the days of Bloomberg I should say in our early years one venture capitalist came to see us this guy was one of those self-entitled men who had been born on third base and thought he hit it triple After telling us everything that we were doing was wrong and that we were too unstructured to survive and we were stupid because we were unable to predict future growth with specificity, he left to advise his partners not to buy from Bloomberg. The reason we didn't show much interest in his views on how to run our company.
Starting point is 00:20:08 He was sure right about that account. At Bloomberg, and then he's talking about work on product and sales first and work on them in parallel, and then you can work on everything else after that. At Bloomberg, we'd always built the product first. We think about accounting and shipping much later in the process. Selling is the only process we run simultaneously with development from the start. And then he talks about the very humble first days of what becomes one of the most valuable private companies ever created. I rented a one-room temporary office. It was about 100 square feet of space with a view of an alley.
Starting point is 00:20:41 I deposited $300,000 of my Solomon Brothers windfall into a corporate checking account. and 15 years later, I had a billion dollar business. And before we get back into this, I want to tell you about Apploven. One of my all-time favorite quotes is from the book Zero to One. In that book, Peter Thiel writes, he says, The single most powerful pattern I have noticed is that successful people find value in unexpected places, and they do this by thinking about business from first principles instead of formulas. And that is exactly what Apploven has done with their advertising platform.
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Starting point is 00:23:11 It brought in cash, gave us exposure, and helped provide us with some legitimacy that would later lead to work for more clients, and it bought us our first sale to Merrill Lynch. And then I love that he sold to Merrill Lynch before he had a product. When I came back from the meeting, my colleagues were elated until the reality of a six-month delivery for something that didn't exist began to sink in. So it's like, okay, we sell this product doesn't exist, and we say, don't worry, it doesn't exist, you're going to have a six months from now. He just made up the day. As developers were magicians, not miracle workers. Month after month as we worked, our mood alternated between elation and the feeling of an impending disaster.
Starting point is 00:23:48 We weren't just putting out fires. We were adjusting to major earthquakes when some new software bug forced us to start over. But every day we got closer to building the machine that we promised at the time he's also building hardware, which he'll talk about. He's got a lot of great ideas about that, by the way. Essentially he looks at his business as just content like data and analytics. And he built hardware when he needed to build hardware, but once somebody came along that could build a better hardware than him, he just focused on what. what his actual business was, and he never confused what his business was with the device that delivered it. He has some great lines on that, which we'll get to him in him. Our style then was
Starting point is 00:24:20 pretty much the same as today. We took the problem and broke it down into little, manageable, digestible pieces. Then each of us took responsibility for the one we were best suited to do. And then he goes back to this idea, get action. We acted from day one. Others plan to plan for months. I must admit, I was worried. Remember, he started the company with 300,000 of his own months. Now he's $4 million into this thing. He only has $10 million to his name. We were spending what would grow to be a $4 million investment of my $10 million. Simultaneously, I was becoming responsible with our families of almost two dozen company employees.
Starting point is 00:24:55 I convinced these people to follow me. And if the venture had not succeeded, I would have failed them, their spouses and their children, as well as our prospective customers. Yet we plowed ahead. From the beginning, I was convinced we were doing something that nobody else could do, nor was anyone even trying. Our product would be the first in the investment business where normal people, without specialized training, could sit down, hit a key, and get an answer to financial questions, some of which they didn't even know they should ask. Over time, the Bloomberg Terminal evolved to allow users to run an ever-wider array of functions, developed by our more than 5,000 programmers and engineers. but it all began with a simple premise, putting more information at people's fingertips, more quickly and more accurately than they could otherwise get it.
Starting point is 00:25:44 That is still the heart of our business. And then I absolutely love this part because this describes again the beginning of his business. Finally the day arrived, almost. The six-month promise ran out on a Saturday so we could postpone delivery until Monday. So now we're at six months and two days. And Monday didn't necessarily mean Monday morning. It could be Monday afternoon. We were constantly having to fix the software,
Starting point is 00:26:07 rewriting it again and again to deliver the consistency needed for reliable real-time analysis. We're out of control, I would shout, as each software bug surfaced. We're going to be out of business if this continues. I still say the same things today. It was June 1983,
Starting point is 00:26:24 and we had delivered something on time, close to, something that worked, sort of, and a machine that would be useful somewhat. So then we get to the very important role that Merrill Lynch plays in Bloomberg stories. Not only their first customer, they're their first major investor. So in 1982, this is going to blow your mind. 1982, they buy 30% of the company for $30 million, okay?
Starting point is 00:26:49 That's in 1982. And around 1996, Michael Bloomberg buys back 10% of the 30%, okay? 10% for 200 million. So then about 10 years later in 2008, Michael Bloomberg buys the remaining 20% that Merrill Lynch still owned from this investment they made in 1982 for 4.4 billion. So a way to think about that is for 30 million invested in 1982, Merrill Lynch makes what? About $4.6 billion. Now only that, they helped him understand the product he was building. And so he has two traders working in Merrill Lynch that are essentially telling him everything about the product that needs to be fixed so it's useful to them. And so he's And therefore it's useful to them. It could be useful to the future tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people just like them. When we first installed it, Merrill assigned two traders to work with us.
Starting point is 00:27:41 I thought they'd be real pains and second-guess us every step of the way. Was I wrong? It turned out both of them were as responsible for success as anyone. They were nitpickers, but not in a nasty way. They wanted us to succeed. When they said something didn't work, they could show us it didn't work. So we knew for sure it didn't work. And more important to help fix the problem under what specific circumstances
Starting point is 00:28:04 it didn't work. Every day, our system got better as we fixed each problem they pointed out. I'd always rather have a smart, fair, honest, demanding client than a nasty dummy or an I don't care user. And then more about the early days, which I think were his favorite part of the company, the fact that you should be doing everything yourselves at the beginning. For our first three or four years in business, I did all of these functions. I worked full time selling our services, negotiating all of our supplier and customer contracts, and running the company. Never before, or since did I have as much fun and as challenging a time in business. Back when we started, the original half dozen of us, after finishing a regular job, would go into clients' offices on the
Starting point is 00:28:46 weekends. We would crawl under the new customer's desks and we would lay our own cables. We would drag wires, stuffing the cables through holes that we drilled in other people's furnitures, all without permission, without giving any thought to any fire law or building code. It's amazing we didn't burn down some office or electrocute ourselves. At the end of the day, 10 or 11 o'clock at night, we'd turn it on and watch what we created come alive. It was so satisfying. We improvised everything as we went along. I got to stop there. He's used the word improvise, steering the boat, you know, a little bit every day just to use the words of Henry Singleton. He uses that over and over again. We improvised every day. We just came and we iterated and got better every day. The
Starting point is 00:29:32 difference is, he iterated, got better every day, and didn't stop for 50 years. I used to write all the checks myself. I signed every contract. I paid every bill. I did the hiring and firing. I bought the coffee, soda, cookies, and chips. I emptied the waste paper baskets. I dusted the windowsails. I wrote and handed out the paychecks personally. Those were the best days. The first few years in the early 1980s, we were involved in every aspect of our company. As we grew and turned these functions over to newly hired specialists, I felt like I was losing a child to adolescence. Good for the kid, but painful for the parent. So then we get to one of my favorite parts of the book, and this is where he starts building out the media part of his company, starts with this guy named Matt Winkler,
Starting point is 00:30:14 who's a reporter at the Wall Street Journal, keeps hearing about Bloomberg and this Bloomberg terminal and trying to figure out, okay, what's going on? Like, he's hearing about it throughout the finance industry. And he's like, okay, I'm going to go and like interview Michael Bloomberg. And so, So in this part of the book, this is where Bloomberg is describing this first meeting they have. He says, when they arrived in my office, I offered them the same speech that I used to convince people to take jobs with us. We've got the best people in the world working here. All of them think they walk on water. All of them are workaholics.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Once they come, they stay for the rest of their lives because they love it. They've built the better mousetrap. They're doing something important. They're giving the little guy information he needs to fight. And he's saying, you know, one thing for him to say that he's got the best product, the best people. But he said, you don't have to believe me. Here, he does something really smart. And he actually, it's a good idea whether you're talking to, I guess, a reporter
Starting point is 00:31:03 or even trying to recruit somebody to join your company. And he comes into, leaves the room, comes back with this big, thick printout. And he goes, here's every customer we have by name, by firm, and by phone number. Call them yourself. And essentially verify everything I just told you is true. And so as Michael Bloomberg builds a relationship with Matt Winkler, he starts seeking Matt's advice. And really the main point of this section, think is really important. It's like, hey, your company likely has information that no one else has.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Start thinking about how you can repurpose it to benefit other people and then achieve your objective. So he's on the phone with Matt and he goes, hey, I want to make our terminal indispensable to stock as well as bond traders. Should we get into the text news business? His answer wasn't what I expected, although it encouraged me to keep the conversation going. Mikey said, you and the people who work with you have created a terminal that explains more about why bonds fluctuate each minute, each day, and each week than any collection of reporters ever could. You already provide charts and grasp that influence the major debt trading decisions worldwide. Add text to that information, and you'll have something that doesn't exist anywhere else. No one in debt or equity will be able to live without it. And then we see he goes back to this
Starting point is 00:32:14 habit they has. He consults history when trying to decide if he should enter the news business, right? So he says history shows that any gutsy entrepreneur, Joseph Pulitzer, William Randolph Hearst, Henry Luch, B.C. Forbes, Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, and Oprah Rimfrey can enter the news business any time. And then he compares his advantage that he has, that these other historical figures did not. Best of all, we had revenue from terminal rentals, which meant we didn't have to worry about a news service paying for itself as a standalone product. One hack of an advantage. Fundamentally, at Bloomberg were builders, not buyers. So it has never occurred to me to acquire a news organization as a starting point. It's always more fun to create from scratch and a lot less risky.
Starting point is 00:32:58 And so this is the initial idea of this media business that he begins to build. I handed him a three-page list of what Bloomberg News should be doing. Our purpose was to do more than just collect and relay news. It should also advertise the analytical and computational powers of the Bloomberg Terminal by highlighting its capabilities in each news story. With our terminal functions included, each of our news stories would be more informative than the competitors. and more people would want to access them. This meant more revenue,
Starting point is 00:33:25 which in turn meant we could afford more reporters and have more news and so on. So think about it. Each new story is a product demo. More demos lead to more revenue. More revenue leads to more stories and even more revenue. And so this is the part I mentioned earlier
Starting point is 00:33:39 about really understanding what the actual business that you're in. When we first began, we manufactured computers and keyboards because we had to. Personal computers didn't really exist in order to deliver our product. But we never made the mistake
Starting point is 00:33:50 of believing that we were in the hardware business. We are in the business of producing and distributing the world's most accurate, reliable, comprehensive, up to the second information and analysis. This has been our mission from day one and it has never changed. Technology will continuously revolutionize
Starting point is 00:34:06 distribution, but our product is content. It remains consistent. Much of that content sits behind the media world's most expensive paywall. A subscription to Bloomberg costs about $22,000 a year. This book, I think is almost 20 years old.
Starting point is 00:34:23 I think the price is over $30,000 a year, if I'm not mistaken. That works out to be about $80 to $8 per workday. When customers complain that it's expensive, we tell them, if you can't make $88 a day using Bloomberg, you have a bigger problem than our bill. And he's got some great advice on how to make your product or your company stand out. I should say at this point in the story, his company is not called Bloomberg.
Starting point is 00:34:45 It's called Innovative Market Systems, and he's about to change that. So he says, entrepreneurs in the booming 1980s, were commonplace. My company was small and virtually anonymous. Our product, the market data terminal that we were selling, was called Marketmaster. And it could have been confused with a kitchen appliance. No one knew us, no one cared about me. But by 1984, this was about to change. Those were the days when Ronald Reagan proved how marketable ideas could be when they were peddled with charisma. You needed a spokesperson for mass appeal. Consumers and the media identified products and policies with the people who pitched them. That's actually a very old idea. You and I have talked about David Ogilvie,
Starting point is 00:35:23 Albert Lasker, Claude Hopkins. In any case, they tried to get away from the company and basically have like a spokesperson, even if it wasn't the founder. But they wanted, they said people identify with people, not products and not companies. And essentially were what, 60 years later than Albert Lasker and Claude Hopkins were applying that same exact idea to all kinds of different products. He just happens to apply to his own product. So you need a spokesperson for me. mass appeal. Consumers and the media identified products and policies with people who bitched them. Nike didn't just make sneakers. It pushed them with the mystique that could only come from Michael Jordan. To have the best mousetrap wasn't enough. Success was delivered by people
Starting point is 00:36:02 promotion. If we were going to build our business, we too needed a personality. The obvious choice, me. Our competitors, founders, were all dead. I, on the other hand, were alive and out making speeches and sales calls every day in city after city around the world, turning my name and work into a great weapon that others in the financial news and market data businesses could not match. And since I'd spent so much time demonstrating our product, people would begin to mentally interchange me with the terminal. So they would already, they were already, before they were called Bloomberg terminals, they'd say, hey, give me, instead of saying, what was this thing, market master, which is a terrible
Starting point is 00:36:37 name by the way, or even they're using word terminal, they're just like, hey, give me some of these Bloomberg's. I acquiesced to a decision that the marketplace already had made. henceforth the product in the company itself would be Bloomberg. And then he has a hilarious line here. I would become the Colonel Sanders of Financial Information Services. As the owner, by definition, I spoke with authority. And to make good copy, I gave the press a colorful personality to focus on.
Starting point is 00:37:03 You kind of see, obviously, I think if you're listening to that, you've already know, you've heard his name, you know, about his business. But you can see, he's, you know, he has a colorful personality. He's unapologetically extreme. he talks a lot of shit throughout this book. He has a perspective, a point of view. And he used that perspective, that person on that point of view, to build his company. And so then he talks about this very important extension for his media business where he expands into television and radio.
Starting point is 00:37:28 And the interesting part about this, and it goes against his idea that he doesn't want to buy things. He wants to build them. So one, he didn't want to do television or radio. I think the person had asked him three times. And then two, he realizes, oh, it's actually smarter in this case. I can buy something that I kind of jumpstart this process. and again, he goes back to this flexibility that, you know, he has this goal, this end goal,
Starting point is 00:37:48 he has a basic idea of where he's going to go, but he doesn't know how he's going to get there, and he's willing to be flexible every day. This is a guy named John Fram calls him. John was an employee at the FNN. The FNNN was the financial news network. It was a television channel whose parent was in bankruptcy.
Starting point is 00:38:02 He told me I should buy FNN. Mike, what you really need to do is get into television. It will create synergies with everything else you're doing. What a dumb idea I said, cutting him off. My operating principle has always been billed, don't buy. besides, what did I have to do with television? And I think the price of this television network at the time was $200 million. She's like, listen, we're not going to buy.
Starting point is 00:38:22 I'm not spending $200 million on this, no matter what you say. You're crazy. Guy calls him back the next day, starts talking to him as if we're old friends. He suggested now instead of, he goes, so you should buy this, but then you also need somebody in-house to develop audio and video programming at Bloomberg, and you should hire me and two other guys to do this. once again I said television and radio makes no sense for Bloomberg and I hung up the phone. A few days passed and then I got another call from him.
Starting point is 00:38:48 And as I listened to a longer version of the pitch he made a few days earlier, it occurred to me. One of us is stupid and it isn't him. So I hired the three of them that day. And so the first thing they do is they start going out and buying radio stations. And then from radio they start pushing and extending into television and he talks about this. And again, this is I think one of the most important parts of the book. he's got like a lot of these like roundabout ways to get in front of potential customers. I think this is maybe one of the most genius things he's ever done is obviously the media
Starting point is 00:39:18 component of his business. He says, people often ask me why Bloomberg ventured into radio and TV. Was there some hidden motive? And the motive wasn't hidden. The motive was to sell more subscriptions. That it was, that's what his entire business runs on. And he talks about why he has an advantage of doing this. He says, we have the necessary information and the technical know-how.
Starting point is 00:39:36 So broadcasting is an easy extension of what we're doing elsewhere. Radio and television provide our company with instant visibility. The media like nothing better than writing about themselves. The more exposure Bloomberg has to the fourth estate, the more they'll promote us to the general public. To reach potential customers who don't yet subscribe to our print products, radio and TV, help us get our message out. The people who lease our terminals are part of radio and television's masses.
Starting point is 00:40:03 They need news while jogging, showering, driving, or sitting at home. And we've got to give them what they need. where they are. Radio and television simply became another delivery mechanism for the same content. And every piece of content he produces is a ad for the Bloomberg subscription. And he talks about the same idea a few pages later. Again, everything they do increases the likelihood of selling Bloomberg subscriptions, TV stories relate to magazine articles that relate to the computer data. And he's got a great idea on how to pick the person that should lead the project, any new project inside your organization. As a true capitalist, I've always believed in the market's ability to make
Starting point is 00:40:41 efficient selections. In many of our new ventures, we do not appoint a manager at the beginning. We simply throw everyone interested into the deep end of the pool, as it were, and stand back. It becomes obvious very quickly who the best swimmers are. We just watch who people go to for help and advice, and later, when we formalize a management appointment, no one's ever surprised. The leverage we gain from employing creative people and letting them do their own thing is incredible. A few pages later, goes back again to that idea. Everything we're doing is just increasing the likelihood of selling more Bloomberg subscriptions. Our business is information, not the medium that the information is delivered into. You see, he's already
Starting point is 00:41:18 been flexible about this multiple times. Why use all forms of media rather than focus on just one? What business are we in? Some companies declare themselves to be in radio or in television, or newspapers, and so on. We have a greater vision. Bloomberg is in the business of giving its customers the information they need in whatever form is most appropriate. With all methods are at disposal, we do better. We create or adopt a new medium. We do not ask our customers to accept less. And then I think this paragraph is interesting because he talks about the necessity for having a lot of self-confidence, having a big ego, but not making sure your ego is not too big. And so he talked about, you know, the fact is he was a micromanger. He had a really hard time delegating. And so he says,
Starting point is 00:42:01 I was there in the beginning, and I too think I could do everything better than anyone else. I believe in my design instincts, in my sales savvy, and my management skills are the best around. Still, my ego does allow for the remote possibility that someone might be as good at one or two little things. I've admitted there's a slim chance that ideas coming from others could be valuable as well. In other words, I'm the same as every other entrepreneur, but at least I know what I don't No. And then it goes back to this aggressive personality that he has, the fact that he's unapologetically extreme. He considers his competitors as if they're trying to starve his children. Every day at Bloomberg, we face challenges that jeopardize our comfortable life.
Starting point is 00:42:41 We constantly have to fight established competitors trying to take food out of our children's mouths. And then there are the startups that want to destroy everything that we've built. Another thing that he repeats, he has in common with Edmund Land and Peter Thiel, this idea that you should not be making Me Too products. Edwin Land says, don't waste your talents on Me Too products. Peter Thiel says, don't build an undifferentiated commodity business. Michael Bloomberg says, what can we do that our competitors can't? There's no reason to do a copycat product.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Consumers can just as easily buy from others. And then he goes back to what he was saying at the beginning of the book, that he prepares a lot of these small bets with limited downside and uncoct upside. Aramis operandi remains building from within, which avoids the bet to store high-risk gambles that often characterize large takeovers, such as the disastrous Time Warner AOL deal. Maybe I'm just not that smart. When I'm looking to expand, I prefer starting with a little capital that we can afford to lose
Starting point is 00:43:31 and a few people we can always reassign to other projects. This way, we never feel we've committed to stay with our mistakes. Nor are we so overextended we can't handle other additional experimental ventures simultaneously. And so then there's some hints in the book of just this unreal financial performance. Again, I think he was like 98 or he might own 100% of the business now or something like 98%. even and he was like wildly successful almost from the beginning. So a few years after founding Bloomberg, I think it was in the 90s. He was making so much money and cash.
Starting point is 00:44:01 He was giving away $200 million a year at charity. I think in the early 2000s he was donating like $700 million a year. I think he's given something like over $10 billion a year to like philanthropic, different like charities and philanthropic endeavors that he was interested in. At the same time, scattered throughout the book, he's got these just like very, again, unapologetically extreme perspectives. This is one of my favorite. He says, since Bloomberg was always up against companies many times our size, we had to enter each commercial fight with an advantage. I don't believe
Starting point is 00:44:36 that business battles should ever be even. At Bloomberg, we do not want fair fights. We want to go into contests with an advantage. And so this made me think of when I got to this section, Jeff Bezos said something that's very similar. So I asked Sage about this. And I asked, Like, what did Jeff Bezos say about not wanting to fight a competitor as strong as you are? And it pulled a quote from one of this past episodes. And it says, when it comes to competition, this is Jeff Bezos now. When it comes to competition, being one of the best is not good enough. Do you really want to plan for a future in which you might have to fight with somebody who is just as good as you are?
Starting point is 00:45:07 I wouldn't. Bloomberg is saying the exact same thing. We want to go into all these contests with an unfair advantage. I do not believe that business battles should be even. And then he talks about the importance of persistence, of resourcefulness. He says most fortunes are built by entrepreneurs who started with nothing and generally got fired once or twice in their careers. And throughout history, the vast majority of great writers, artists, musicians, dancers, and athletes have come from the less financially secure families. The CEOs of many Fortune 500 companies went to a state university rather than an Ivy League school.
Starting point is 00:45:41 The rewards almost always go to those who outwork the others. The time you put in is the single most important controllable, variable, determining your future. Communists tried to eliminate any form of meritocracy for 70 years, and in addition to wrecking their economies, they starved millions of people to death in the process. And then finally, he has some great advice for the future generations of entrepreneurs. Periodically, while surrounded by the fruits of our success, the profits, the power, the notoriety, I get frustrated and dream of starting again. But something stops me. Perhaps I'm too old. Perhaps I'm afraid it was all luck.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Or maybe deep down inside, I really do like the trappings that have accumulated. Nevertheless, when I find we have to clear it with legal, or had a meeting just to keep others in the loop, or are justifying staff versus producers, I want to scream. We used to have the Nike motto attitude. We just did it. Now there's a why we can't lurking in the background. Keeping it from coming out while we grow is our number one management focus today.
Starting point is 00:46:45 What started simple with time has become. complex. A single straightforward policy is picked up exception after exception over time. Products have grown to overlap. No one's got an excuse, but everyone's got a reason. This is maddening. Why not just quit then? Chuck it all. Sell the business. Take the money and run. Why not cash in? Play it conservative. Relax. Real entrepreneurs never do. And I haven't either. Real builders are so focused and dedicated they'd have a nervous breakdown after two weeks of sitting around. Their challenge, even their reason for living, would be gone.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Why swap fun, influence, challenge, and more money than you could ever spend for only a multiple of more money than you can ever spend? I can't think of anything better than my current situation. And why would I take the company public? Why would have to answer to more partners, stockholders, and security and analysts. I know why the investment bankers want me to issue stock, but why would we want to do it?
Starting point is 00:47:50 We're going in the other direction. We've already bought back Merrill's 30% investment in our company, the first 10% for $200 million in 1996, and the second 20% for $4.5 billion in 2008. Not a bad return on their original investment of about $30 million. So why not sell? No thanks.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Answering to no one is the ultimate situation. So back on the treadmill, ratchet up the risk, enter a new medium, start another project, improve, develop, expand, go. And that is where I'll leave it for the full story. I highly recommend reading the book. That is 433 books down 1,000 to go, and I'll talk to you again soon.

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