Fourth Reich Archaeology - #083 - Mafiocracy w/ Moe Tkacik (Side B)

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

First things first: ¡Viva Cuba! Y viva la revolución y el pueblo cubano. ¡Hasta la victoria siempre! Down with the demonic imperialism of the yankqui vampire. Amidst the emergency conditions of the American strangulation of the Cuban people, we begin this episode with a discussion of the Trump administration’s criminal aggression against the island and its revolution. We cover the King of Crime’s recent executive order premised on the absurd notion that Cuba poses a threat to the national security of the United States. Every accusation is an admission, as they say. The latest Trump/Rubio gambit to lay siege to the island is collective punishment for the crime of daring to exercise sovereignty. All eyes on Cuba, break the blockade.From that intro, we zoom out from the present moment with the second half of Don’s discussion with the great journalist Moe Tkacik of the American Prospect, who has brought a much-needed historical materialist perspective to coverage of the government and the laundry-list of crimes that the most powerful people therein are responsible for. We pick up where we left off with the mobbed-up background and low-down gangster tactics of “Little Narco” Marco Rubio, and examine how his backstory intersects with the OG mafia-state collaborations in the form of the Bay of Pigs invasion, the Kennedy assassination, and the Iran-Contra drugs for weapons rackets. In this second part of the discussion, we dig even deeper and explore the Nazi roots of the Mafiocracy and trace the unbroken continuity of mob-state relations in the postwar era. As long as a so-called “democracy” like the U.S. needs to maintain the spectacle of legitimacy, it needs to carry out its dirtiest work off the books and out of sight. That was the case with the Nazi/ClA Gehlen Org, it was the case with the anti-Castro Cubans employed as state terrorists and assassins, and it remains the case today in the Time for Crime in which we live. Music: Songs of Carlos Puebla.Moe’s Article: The Narco-Terrorist Elite (https://prospect.org/2025/12/23/narco-terrorist-elite-rubio-south-america-iran-contra/) Fourth Reich Archaeology Patreon: patreon.com/fourthreicharchaeology

The following audio comes from an interview with Fidel Castro captured in Saul Landau's 1974 documentary, Cuba and Fidel. The famous Athenian democracy, which they taught us about in school. What was this democracy? It was a society of slaves. Only a few had the right to gather and to discuss. The great majority were slaves.

The goal of that state was to maintain the privileges of the ruling classes. We have the era of feudalism. Then feudal monarchies. They wanted to maintain a certain system, maintain the privileges of the landholders, and the aristocracy. That society was replaced by the capitalist society. With certain capitalists whose goal is to maintain their system

and to maintain it by force. We use force to maintain the collective ownership of the means of production. Our laws, our institutions, have as their goal, What is their goal, the creation of a new society, which is not a society of the patricians or slaves or huge monopolies, nor landholders, but is a society of the workers? I think there are two different concepts of freedom. You believe that freedom can exist within a class society, and we believe in a society without classes, where there are no millionaires or multi-millionaires at the top of the pyramid, and where there are no millionaires, where there are no millionaires, some don't even have a job.

I wonder if you can compare the freedom of the millionaire with that of the beggar of the unemployed. Within the American conception, they are all equal. They are all free. But we believe this is false. We believe that without equality, there is no freedom. Because then you have to speak about the freedom

of the beggar and the prostitute of the exploited, of the person discriminated against, of the illiterate. What is freedom to write and speak for a man who doesn't know how to write, who doesn't know how to read? Or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. It's one huge complex or combine. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. And this international power structure is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world

and exploit them of their natural resources. We found no evidence of conspiracy, foreign or domestic. The Warren Commission of the science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever. I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to require information, which showed that there were two wars going.

His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds vendors the more easy victims of a big lie than a small one. For example, we're in the CIA. Now, he has a model. This is he knows so long. I'm afraid of you never be secure. It usually takes a national crisis.

Freedom can never be secure. Pearl Harbor. A lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? This is the CIA. This is Fourth Reich archaeology. I'm Don.

Dick is away this week at the 26 Winter Olympics, representing the sovereign military order of Malta in the two-man-looges competition without me. This week, we are going to bring you the remainder of the conversation that I had with journalist Mo Tassik about Marco Rubio, about the mafocracy, and about the unhinged turn in U.S. imperialism in the Western Hemisphere. And I will tee that episode up for you in just a moment with a little bit of added introductory material on the more recent developments, more recent and very unfortunate developments in this ongoing developing story with the U.S. siege of Cuba

and the strangulation of the Cuban people, or I should say the intensification of the strangulation of the Cuban people by the Yankee imperialist jackboots, but first the typical thank yous and welcomes. So, listener, as you know, if you are a regular listener here, we at Fourth Reich Archaeology could not do this without you. We depend on your likes, on your reviews, on your ratings of the podcast, not because it lifts our spirits, which of course it does, but because it allows us to algorithmically reach more people through the podcasting apps that you are all accessing this on. So please, if you haven't yet, do all that stuff and also spread the word,

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But I will tell you what, listener, I already have a fire burning in my belly, and it's not caused by indigestion, although perhaps indigestion is yet another side effect of the ire, of the rage, of the sadness and impotence that, I, and I imagine many of you feel, looking at what is going on with the escalation of this mafia imperialism that this corrupt band of pedophile war criminal perverts is carrying out in the Western Hemisphere under the auspices of the so-called Don Roe doctrine. Of course, we know and we've covered the abduction, the kidnapping of Venezuelan head of state Nicolas Maduro under trumped-up charges of drug trafficking. Of course, we've covered the utter and insane hypocrisy of those charges

when obviously the CIA is the greatest drug trafficking organization the world has ever known. a crown wrestled off of the collective head of the British kingdom and the British royal family, the East India Company, and all of those other corporate outfits. But now, of course, the world championship title in drug sales belongs to no other source than. Those criminals in action, capitalism's invisible army. that's right, the CIA, the agency, the company. And it is at it again. I mean, not only the CIA,

but the entire mafocracy establishment around it. And I would be remiss to get right into this episode without updating you, the listener, on what has taken place in the last, few weeks, of course, in the aftermath of the toppling of the Venezuelan government or rather the beheading of the Venezuelan government because the rest of the government, as far as we can tell from up here in the north, it looks like the rest of the Venezuelan government remains intact, albeit at the barrel of an American gun pointed at the head collectively of the people administering the Venezuelan government.

And the shakedown artists pulling the puppet strings of the Venezuelan government have recently caused Venezuelan crude oil to be shipped to, that's right, Maduro's sworn enemy, Hugo Chavez, sworn enemy. Hugo Chavez, sworn enemy, and Maria Corina Machado's BFF, the government of fucking Israel, the genocidal apartheid regime, taken a swig of that sweet, sticky, crude from the Orinoco Basin. And if that's not bad enough, the U.S. is trying to strangle the Cuban people, into somehow abandoning the revolution that they've been pursuing for well over 60 years now. They're unlikely to persuade the people to do that, but you know what they say. To quote the great Bob Marley, of course, a hungry mob is an angry mob,

and the U.S. is really pulling a page out of the Israeli playbook. or you could even turn back the clock all the way to the Third Reich, the siege of Leningrad, way back in World War II, for the utter cruelty, the illegal and immoral suffering that is being deliberately inflicted, collective punishment for political crimes upon an entire population. And if you're not sure what I'm talking about, well, let me give a very, very brief explanation. In order to facilitate regime-changing Cuba, as of course we've covered on the pod, has been a priority for Marco Rubio especially and of course for the entire neocon ghoul class

that vampire-like sucks upon the lifeblood of the American body politic in order to capture consent for its demonic policies on the world stage. Well, those neocon thugs have sought to leverage their gains in South America, and to get rid once and for all of the Cuban Revolution. And to effectuate that on January 29th of 2026, the pedophile-in-chief Donald J. Trump issued an executive order, and I think it bears reading just a little bit of this absolute drivel to get. get a sense of the level of the mendacity, as if anything from this administration could possibly

surprise or shock. It is just outrageous the types of shit that they're saying. So what Trump says in this executive order entitled, addressing threats to the United States by the government of Cuba, he says, As president of the United States, I have an imperative duty to protect the national security and foreign policy of this country. I find that the policies,

practices, and actions of the government of Cuba constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat, very extraordinary. which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. D-minus four pros so far. The government of Cuba has taken extraordinary actions that harm and threaten the United States.

The regime aligns itself with and provides. support for numerous hostile countries, transnational terrorist groups, and malign actors adverse to the United States, including the government of Russia, the People's Republic of China, the government of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah. forgot about them, didn't you? Hezbollah. Can't forget about Hezbollah. For example, Cuba blatantly hosts dangerous adversaries of the United States,

inviting them to base sophisticated military and intelligence capabilities in Cuba that directly threatened a national security of the United States. Skipping ahead. Further, contrary to the interests and foreign policy of the United States, the Cuban communist regime, that's a communist regime, don't forget it, supports terrorism and destabilizes the region through migration and violence. Some have said those are the same. The communist regime persecutes and torture.

its political opponents, denies the Cuban people free speech and press, corruptly profits from their misery, and commits other human rights violations. For example, families of political prisoners face retaliation for peacefully protesting the improper confinement of their loved ones. Never happened here,

It would never happen in America. It never has, and it never will. Except maybe with a guy Joe Biden and the beautiful patriots, they were treated so unfairly for protesting on January 6th. But I fixed that for them. So despite Joe Biden, they're doing fine.

They're doing great. Many are doing better than ever. But the cute, Cuban authorities harass worshipers. We love our worshippers. We love our worshippers. They block free association by civil society organizations, prohibit free press, and deny the ability to speak freely,

including, and this is important, on the Internet. In the Cuban regime, it continues to spread its communist, ideas, policies and practices around the Western Hemisphere, threatening the foreign policy of the United States. And the executive order keeps blathering on for additional paragraph after repetitive, poorly written paragraph, expounding all the danger to the United States, the richest, most powerful country in the world, the country that spends about 10 times as much as the next largest military spender, and a country that obviously dwarfs Cuba in military might, to the extent that Cuba has any offensive military capabilities at all. It certainly hasn't used those

capabilities against the United States, and the opposite. Act is true, as it has been repeatedly, repeatedly victimized by U.S. military aggression ever since the 1959 revolution toppled the U.S.-backed dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista. So, in brief, the executive order's premise is built on a entire, entire castle. of lies, lies about Cuba's ability to threaten the United States, and lies about Cuba's actual conduct that is purportedly threatening to the United States. Nevertheless, Trump, based on these lies, has declared a state of emergency with respect to Cuba. Now, if you wanted to take a wild guess as to why this is happening now, it's not as though Cuba has done anything in the recent past to warrant or deserve this aggression from up north.

Well, it's simply a matter of what we on this podcast have called the reverse domino theory. If you've been with us from the jump, none of this will come as a surprise because this is how imperialism works. It sets its sights on all enemies of the empire, on all enemies of the regime, on all alternatives to the exploitative and cruel economic system of financial capitalism. that runs not only the United States, but this what Malcolm X called a global power structure, right? Of course, Venezuela was one domino, and now that the United States controls Venezuela's oil and can use that control to choke off Cuba's access to Venezuelan oil,

on which it was largely dependent, although its dependence on Venezuelan oil has been overstated. Nevertheless, the U.S. now wants to cut off Cuba's access to oil from anywhere in the world, from any oil exporting country. It's largely driven to places like Russia, but most of all to Mexico, which, actually, actually had surpassed Venezuela as Cuba's number one oil supplier even before the overthrow of Maduro. So what the executive order does to effectuate that goal is it threatens to impose tariffs on any country that supplies oil to Cuba. It's just about that simple. That's called secondary sanctions. Of course, primary sanctions would be sanctions direct.

at the target country, secondary sanctions are sanctions that target a country by threatening anybody else who may deign to do business with that country. And so, you know, it's not only tariffs, but it also includes kind of open-ended language about what will happen if any country violates the United States dictates with respect to supplying oil to Cuba. Interestingly, the executive order places a decent amount of authority in the person of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik. And of course, Lutnik has been in the news recently for getting caught lying about the closeness of his relationship with his longtime next-door neighbor, New York financier and notorious pedophile sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.

Lutnik lied about not having visited Epstein's island, and dare I say, he will now setting his sights on a much larger island in Cuba, see that his sick and sadistic appetites are quenched by yet more human suffering and immiseration than the billionaire vampire ghoul has already inflicted in his wretched years upon this earth. Now for the consequences of an oil embargo, you know, a tight oil embargo on Cuba. Well, it's not only transportation and logistics that are affected, it's the entire power grid. and the people of Cuba have been experiencing rolling blackouts as a result of this oil shortage.

You know, the healthcare facilities are without power. The schools are without power. They're making kids transition to virtual learning from home because they can't safely attend schools. The food is being spoiled because of lack of refrigeration. there are outbreaks of dengue fever and other diseases caused by a lack of infrastructure and a lack of sanitation. And, you know, it's essentially trying to impose the worst possible suffering on the people of Cuba to push them over the edge. you know, 60 plus years of U.S. blockade have not done the trick, have not toppled the revolution, have not crushed the spirit or the backbone of the Cuban people. And this utterly criminal siege is seeking to do so. And, you know, it really is with a heavy heart that

calling it as it appears, it just don't see how the Cuban Revolution comes out the other side of this. You know, obviously your Russia's and your Chinas, your sort of incipient global superpowers, they are not going to take on the United States over this cruel policy. they are not propping up the Cubans, notwithstanding their verbal messages of solidarity. And, you know, for all that Claudia Scheinbaum in Mexico is trying to do to continue the flow of oil from Mexico to Cuba, it is not looking great. It's certainly not looking as though they're going to be able to. to break the siege or otherwise kind of break the stalemate or push the U.S. to back down.

As we have said in a few episodes already, you know, what would really be required to make any sort of a dent in this imperial juggernaut of the Amer-Israeli Empire is a type of international solidarity and collective action that the world simply has not seen in generations. You know, we are living in a world that just sat through a live streamed genocide of Palestinians and Gaza. We are living in a world that has covered its ears and eyes to the existential threats posed by climate change. We are living in a fantastical world where people turn to science fiction bullshit about robots and computers saving humanity from itself, when the people who own and program those computers are designing them for the express purpose of surveilling, controlling, and repressing the working class to ensure that their gravy

train keeps rolling, that their profits keep on accumulating, that their way of life, their disgusting, perverse way of life, that we, We see on full display through these Epstein files, their eugenicist worldview, their racism, their rapist mentality, their entire non-consensual domineering way of viewing the world and everybody else on it. unless the ruling order and the ruling class that governs this world is completely overthrown and removed from any position of authority whatsoever and fast, I don't think that this world, the one that we're living in, is really capable of coming together to prevent the sacrifice. of the people of Cuba on the altar of capital. But of course, the flip side of that coin is that the ruling class is showing its ass. It's showing its ass by engaging in criminal behavior so out in the open, so blatantly,

and in such a despicable and disgusting and a cruel way. I mean, for these people, for this executive order, to say that the people of Cuba are yearning to be free and therefore we're going to torture hundreds or thousands of them to death slowly through starvation, through disease, through famine is just beyond the pale of what any reasonable person should tolerate. And it's, you know, as long as we do have a little bit of freedom of speech, a little bit of a voice to say and to do something about it, we really ought to do that. And hopefully all of our speech among and to each other can collectively lift our consciousness to pass that boiling point, to pass that breaking point to that, moment of action, that moment of praxis, because the criminality, as now transitioning to talk about today's episode, it is continuous with the criminality of ages past. So if you'll recall

inside A of the discussion that I had with Mo Tassick, and again, if you've not listened to that, please pause your player and go pop that one on now. before proceeding any further. In part one, we discussed the administration's operations in Venezuela and how those operations reflect this kind of mobster mentality. And obviously, we know that Trump brings a mobster mentality to the office of the presidency, but a lot of these Latin America policies in his administration, administration are driven by another gangster, a smaller gangster, a faux refugee gangster.

That's right, little narco-Marco Rubio on whom Mo has dug up all the dirt from his drug-dealing brother-in-law who was really the patron of his family when he was growing up, to his work in the pet store of a notorious drug kingpin and CIA informant, to his totally astroturfed political career, Little Marco is the man for this evil, evil moment. And inside B, things get even crazier because we see, just how much of a continuation of all of these threads of malevolency little Marco is bringing forward into the present moment. So in this episode, we're going to view the Fourth Reich through the lens

of Little Marco and this mafiacracy, and what a vista it provides. Because of course, you know, we've talked in our extensive series on the Kennedy assassination and cover-up about this anti-Castro-Cuban milieu that was employed by the CIA, employed adjacent to and under the mafia, and used first to attempt to kill Castro, and later turned against the president of the United States himself, John F. Kennedy, who was perceived to have betrayed the Patriots of Playa Chiron, the Bay of Pigs, anti-Castro-Cuban rebels. And after they pull off that hit, hand in glove with the so-called deep state, well, they've got to go underground. You can't very well keep guys like that on the payroll. So how do they scrounge up their funds?

Well, the same way that their mafia patrons know how to scrounge up funds through drug trafficking and related criminal enterprises. In that way, their operations reflect another group of off-the-books paramilitaries that the CIA had employed. That's right, I'm talking about the thousand. thousands of SS Nazis who were employed under the auspices of the Galen Organization after World War II by the CIA. And that core group of World War II Nazis really innovated the global drug trade on a whole other level than what the British Empire had been able to pull off before the great wars of the 20th century. and, you know, set up this massive network under the first iteration of Operation Condor in the second half of the 20th century, with drug-funded governments run by Nazis in many,

if not most, countries of South America to provide a massive, massive, not only bulwark against any potential incursion of communism into the Western Hemisphere, setting aside the example of Cuba, but also to prop up these death squads and repressive apparatuses that would ensure the cheap and exploitative extraction of much vaunted natural resources from under that soil. and the exact same dynamics are at play today. Not only the need to advance the cause of exploitation,

not only the need to advance extremist capitalism and fight against any alternative whereby the wealth of nations may be placed into the hands of the people of those nations, but also indeed the Nazi white supremacist and truly deranged ideology of our rulers today. Viva the Pueblo Cuban, now without any further ado, let's get digging. You know, with casas of apartments, and

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And if it's about the diversion, came to the commandant and to You know, we have many people that came from Cuba, that were thrown out of Cuba, that fled Cuba. They came over in rafts. They went through shark-infested waters. I don't know how they did it. At you think they'd continue,

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It's a hungarita and in that's a failed nation. Mexico is going to cease sending them all right. They're not getting any money from Venezuela and they're not getting any money from anywhere. It's a failed nation. Mexico is going to cease sending them all. The world is changing very fast. It's a lot of us.

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That doesn't mean that we're going to make a change But we would love to see a change There's no doubt about the fact that it would be a great benefit To the United States The U.S. embargo on Cuba is codified. It was codified in law And it requires resuming

change in order for us to lift the environment. All right, where we last left off, Mo and I were just discussing how all of these investigations by the DEA and other law enforcement agencies into international drug trafficking, especially involving Cuba and other South American mafia criminal networks, the finger always ended up pointing to the CIA, the call, as it were, was coming from inside the house. So let's pass it right back off to Motasik. There's a very famous story to that end. There was a great memoir by a longtime DEA agent who, you know, went into all of this who's stationed in Nicaragua. And there's a DEA agent who was a sort of squeaky wheel. Kiki Kamarina.

Is this Kiki Kikki Kameiraena, who is this? recently, you know, who is said now to have been actually assassinated by, it was said at the time that he was assassinated by, you know, some cartel bosses. And he was tortured. First is very, very gruesome. But actually, that assassination is now said to have been directed personally by Felix Rodriguez. another Bay of Pigs veteran, long-time CIA asset, who was deeply, you know, running things in in Nicaragua during the 80s. And his biggest, I think, claimed to fame was he oversaw and kind of masterminded the murder of Che Guevara in 1967 in Bolivia. And, you know, one thing that I started to get into, obviously there was this, there were two programs sort of running concurrently called Operation Condor.

One was a DEA project in Mexico that focused a lot on eradicating marijuana farms. And opium too, right? When poppy plantations were popping up in Mexico, I thought that that was. Right, after the French connection. Yeah. And they, so they focused on, on, on those operations, but I think also there was just a, a real focus on, on, on, you know, small farm organizers and, and, and just kind of like the civil society of like kind of subsistence farmers in Mexico, because they were, you know, left wing. there's a lot of, you know, left-wing sentiment among those, understandably, among those factions. Yeah, it was almost a direct copy of a lot of the stuff that the U.S. was doing in Vietnam, like strategic hamleting and burning fields and moving people off of agricultural lands as part of the urbanization and pushing people into these big cities that eventually

you know, would end up with these megalopolis type situations in places like Juarez, where the maquiladores come in and are employing people for just absolutely below poverty wages, below subsistence wages, and destroying their traditional ways of life. Yeah, it's, you know, it was, again, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, DEA operation that was sort of seen early on to be bad faith, I guess, is, and that was a thing, too, about the DEA is that, you know, there are, there were, there were always CIA and Intel. I mean, now you're seeing this so much. The DEA's been over the years, I think, completely infiltrated.

by just, you know, drug dealers. If you, and, you know, the extent to which they sort of had to micromanage the prescription opioid epidemic, right? Because the controlled substances, like, are so controlled. Like, they had to raise the quota every year of the amount of opioid precursors they were going to import it to the country. And, you know, they had to oversee all of the, the distributors. I mean, there's just an enormous amount of corruption in the DEA. But the CIA was, there were, you know, especially in the 1980s when the, when drug addiction was really sort of becoming the number one scourge of America. there were good guys and many, many have come out to, you know, this is Gary Webb.

His sources were in the DEA, you know, guys who had been screwed over by the CIA saw all of their work going down. I wouldn't be surprised. So Janet Reno was the prosecutor who's apparent incompetence with regard to some of the crossing the T's and totting the eyes of the wiretapping applications. I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, she was purposely but incompetent, but in any event. Yeah, just look at what she did in Oklahoma City with Pat. con and all that shit. Exactly. I mean, she never, you know,

she really never struck anyone as being a paragon of excellence, I don't think. So I haven't looked deeply into her. I should probably look at that next. That was just like a familiar name. I was like, oh, okay. But suffice it to say, this group of drug traffickers, which Orlando, Cecilia, My Rubio's brother-in-law's operation, was said to have trafficked

$80 million or $90 million worth of cocaine and marijuana over the years that they were active mostly during the 1980s, which was a lot of money in those days. And the indictment against them is unbelievable in its... It's like an 83-page indictment,

and they track these shipments and where they, you know, where they came in from, where they were delivered and where the, the drugs subsequently went, they account for all $90 million worth of that stuff. It's nothing like the Maduro indictment. It is, you know, they had been tracking this group for, you know, 15 years by the time they caught up to them. Of course, at the very last minute in the 10th week of the trial of these guys, a CIA case officer walks in and says, hey, you know, this guy was ours. You know, he was an informant.

He was doing, you know, serious classified work for the United States government in the interest of national security. And, you know, you should just know that. So the Patriarch, Guillermo Tabrao, ends up getting off with like barely any prison time. You know, basically time served. He's fine and he, you know, he dies probably five or ten years later. I'm not sure. But he, you know, he gets off.

The real shocking thing is that they let off Mario, his son. And his son was clearly doing. a lot of cocaine because he was just like ordering people murdered right and left. They murdered an ATF informant. They murdered his wife because she said she was going to

go to the cops. And they probably murdered a lot of other people. I mean, they were really bad guys. They dismembered the ATF agent and dissolved his body. He ends up getting off after 12 years

for his is, you know, unbelievable cooperation in some other investigations that they have. And at the time, one of the guys who prosecuted him, you know, was really shocked. I mean, this made that, you know, this was a big story in the Miami Herald. And because he says, listen, like, this guy was as big as it gets, you know, he was a kingpin. Like, there's, he wasn't, and he's not providing us anyone who was bigger than him. but but you know he got off and and and and Cecilia got off around the same time Cecilia was not you know said to be a violent guy anyway Marco Rubio at this point is

you know the junior senior year of high school and fascinatingly the prosecutor is the husband of Ileana Ross Latinen the long time Cuban congresswoman her father father, you know, Padre Ross, I forget his first name, was a longtime Radio Marti, Voice of America personality. So, you know, in the... In other words, CIA. Yeah, yeah, very, very much in all of those documents. And she has just been elected to Congress and her husband's a prosecutor and he prosecutes the Tabrao family and then he moves on to prosecuting. And this is just so funny because he's very befuddled when the CIA guy walks in. And his next case is the prosecution of Manuel Noriega.

The CIA asset turned sort of scapegoat. That's sort of the blueprint for what we're now doing to Maduro, except that, you know, Panama is a slightly different can of worms. And again, Maduro has never, as far as I know, been a CIA asset. Or besties with George Bush. Right, exactly. So he moves on to prosecuting Manuel Noriega. And that's a really fascinating trial because none of the evidence gets, you know,

there's so much evidence that is thrown out that's deemed inadmissible by the judge as to, you know, the unbelievable amount of CIA involvement in any, like, Noriega wasn't even really accused of. trafficking drugs. He was just accused of laundering money. And he was laundering money, and they get the Medellin cartel's main money launderer, who, by the way, is the protege of Manuel Artime,

our Bay of Pigs leader. So that's a really fascinating trial. And while that is going on, Marker Rubio has somehow caught the eye of Eliana, the freshman congressman,

and she gives him this internship and he wowes everybody. And from, you know, very early on, Marco Rubio was considered to be a rising star in the political world. So he goes off to college. He goes to law school, but he goes to kind of a fake college for the first year, which is like another... Is that where the foam party picture came from?

I don't know if they were having phone parties. It was like in Indiana or something, like, or Missouri. But it was like a scheme where like the president, like he got recruited to play football, but it was like this scheme where this president was recruiting all these sort of fake athletes to just bring in, you know, federal student loan money. In any case. The superstructure really does reflect the base structure. Even even the fake colleges are like cutouts, cut out ups. And everything. And that is like this is the.

world that Marco Rubio is coming to us from. He's coming to us from this universe where, number one, like, much bigger deal than his brother-in-law in the Cuban community than his brother-in-law was a drug trafficker was the fact that, oh, his family came over in, like, 1956. They didn't flee Castro. They fled Batista. And actually, his mother-in-law, or like his grandmother, his grandfather went back to Cuba for a while because he just wasn't like making it in America

and he needed to sort of save some money. Did they even own slaves? I know. It's like he was they, this is, this was a big deal when this sort of emerged. It was that he was presenting himself as being a Cuban exile, but really he was, you know, just an economic migrant. And so like this. is the milieu that we're operating in

in the sort of Cuban exile intelligentsia in Miami and this is very similar to the Venezuelan you know intelligentsia like it this

this hypocrisy this cognitive dissonance around drugs and the way that the understanding that the drug war is nothing but a method of criminalizing poverty

it's really it's not it's not considered a contradiction it's just that's just how it is yeah you know it is a deeply classist deeply racist milieu and that sort of

uses the rhetoric of the drug war and uses the rhetoric of immigrant you know, the American dream to, you know, disguise its like the dark heart of, of, of, it's kind of just brutally, you know, like sadistic and this kind of, the mafocry-the-maficracy. Yeah, the extractive capitalism.

Like, it's the way that these extractive industries, the types of thought leaders that are produced by these extractive industries are like, you know, uniquely humane and, and very much sort of hypocritical and self-contradictory on a level that, you know, you don't necessarily see in other industries. And it's kind of funny because I was just reading, like, some of Marx's journalism about the opiate wars. Now we're talking. Let's go. Let me find it. We cannot leave this part of the subject without singling out one flagrant self-contradiction

of the Christianity, canting, and civilization-mongering British government. In its imperial capacity, it affects to be a thorough stranger to the contraband opium trade, and even to enter into treaties prescribing it. yet in its Indian capacity, it forces the opium cultivation upon Bengal to the great damage of the productive resources of that country. It compels one part of the Indian riots to engage in the poppy culture, entices another part into the same by dint of money advances, keep the wholesale manufacturer of the deleterious drug a close monopoly in its hands, watches by a whole army of its official spies, its growth, its delivery at appointed places, its insipation and preparation for the taste of the Chinese consumers,

its formation into packages especially adapted to the conveniency of smuggling, and finally its conveyance to Calcutta, where it is put up at auction at the government's sales and made over by the state officers to the speculators thence to pass into the hands of the contrabandists who landed in China. The chest costing the British government about 250 rupees is sold at the Calcutta auction mart at a price ranging from 1,200 to 1,600 rupees, but not yet satisfied with this matter of fact, complicity, the same government to this hour enters into express profit and loss accounts with the merchants and shippers who embark in the hazardous operation of poisoning an empire.

And so it's like, well... Not nothing new under the sun. I wish I read that before I wrote this story, because he kind of had it. And yeah, there isn't anything new under the sun. And what was funny about researching the von Hul family, which I did for a... a story earlier last year, the sugar barons is that their family has actually been, you know, extremely influential in our foreign policy since going back to the Spanish-American War. These sort of Spaniards, you know, they never even had Cuban citizenship, anyone in this family.

They're always referred to as Cuban exiles. But they just kept their Spanish citizenship. And so, yeah, this has all been going on. There is continuity. It's all been going on for much, much longer than we sort of recognize. And I do think that the Reagan administration, like I was, you know, a kid during the Reagan administration. So it's hard to.

And my dad is still a big Republican. So I was not learning about a CIA. complicity and drug trafficking back then. And when I say complicity, I mean micromanagement of control over the entire concept. But it does seem like I remember there was a book called Reagan's ruling class that Public Citizen put out in like 1981. There was just like profiles of like the top 100 oligarchs who were getting rich off the Reagan administration. and I remember reading it and just being so overwhelmed by, you know, it's like a 700-page book. I think like Jane Mayer worked on it.

Like there were definitely like some people who. I was going to ask, is that like the Ralph Nader era? Wasn't he at Public Citizen at some point way back in the day? He founded it, right? Like he found a public citizen. Yeah, it was definitely the Nader era. But they put together this like wonderful book with profiles of all these people. and, you know, the sense you get is very, it's very trumpy.

And there was a story in the America magazine, I think, or the common, one of the, like, the woke Catholic magazines my mom sent it to me about Renee Good. And they reminded me that in December, 1980, I guess, Contras had, actually, I'm not sure if it was Contra, put a hit out on Archibrate. Romero, but there were four, there were three nuns and one missionary, American citizens, who were assassinated in El Salvador. And Jean Kirkpatrick, you know, one of Reagan's, you know, main U.N. ambassador. For policy, like, yeah, I forgot what her title was, but she was, you know, the Reagan administration

had not yet started. It's still a, you know, dying, lamest of lame duck eras of the Carter administration. She goes on Meet the Press and says, well, you keep calling them nuns, but, you know, they were really political activists. And, like, with that term... And she went on to be employed by Georgetown University for the fucking Jesuits. That's fucking insane, really? Are you kidding me? That's so crazy.

Yep. God, they, like, that's gross. I mean, maybe that was actually in the story then, because it's like, it was a Jesuit magazine that was, um, that was pointing this out. But it was, you know, likening that to the sort of the dehumanization, you know, of any of these labels.

Like, and there's this massive project to just like dehumanize, obviously everyone, that they would rather just not exist. And, and it seems, yeah,

it seems like the Reagan administration was a lot more like the Trump administration than we, then we might realize because this all is so insane. But back then, Congress was a lot more real and the media was a lot more real. Well, yeah, I mean, the whole reason that the Contra operation had to go underground was because of the Boland Amendment, right? That was the outlawing of any U.S. funds to be directed to the human rights abusing Contras, who Reagan described as the moral equivalence

of our founding fathers. And so Ali North and all of his gang had to keep the money train going covertly. And, you know, if I could get Forth Reich about it for a minute here, it really rhymes even with what the CIA and what the U.S. was doing with the Gaelan organization in Germany and in Eastern Europe after World War II, that they brought on all of these Nazi spies and members of the SS onto the CIA payroll in the thousands of SS members. And those SS members in turn were controlling all these paramilitary squads behind the Iron Curtain, places like Ukraine with the BND or in Croatia with the Ustashi, which still has.

its little fingers in South America, right? All of these networks, a lot of them came over the rat lines into South America and formed these cadres like Klaus Barbie, who was so deeply involved with Bolivia and the cocaine coup there and the government of Hugo Banzer that ran the country with an iron fist for a while. But the model that they employed was essentially, look, this is the CIA talking. You guys are fucking SS Nazis. We can't put you on the payroll. We can't submit a bill and expense it to the American people.

So you're going to have to come up with some funds. You're going to have to scrounge. And how did they do that? They got involved in illegal business, right? Smuggling, human trafficking, arms dealing, and drug smuggling. And they continued that. into South America, brought it across the Atlantic into the Western Hemisphere, and that whole operation just kept on rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling. And, you know, I thought it was

interesting. I didn't want to interrupt your flow, but that you mentioned 1964 as a pivotal year when Artime and the Cuban exiles are kind of dropped off of the payroll. Cut loose. Right. We have to be after the Kennedy assassination. Exactly. It's another thing. Like, yo, we got to lay low, you know, we got to take it easy for a minute because we just killed the president of the United States in broad daylight in Dallas. Exactly. So fund yourselves, guys. And how are you going to do that? You're going to work with our buddies in the mob. And, you know, just keep on doing the same thing we've always been doing. Just keep that gravy train running. It's to that end

He had a French-sounding name The general who was He's widely credited For the assassination of Archbishop Romero In El Salvador Robert Dobison Yeah so he there's this I was reading this

Mary McGorry I guess it was Roberto actually Because I think he was Spanish speaking But he just had a French name Yeah there was a Chinese sounding name Contra, who actually, like, did the thing. They called him Chinito. They called him Chino.

Roberto, something else. Lou. Lao, right? Lowe, yeah. There you go. But Da Wusson was, like, basically taken on this Mooney-sponsored, you know, speaking tour of America by Young Americans for Freedom. Bill Buckley's old outfit?

Yeah. And it's so funny. because, and I was just reading this Mary McGorrie, a column about it. But he's on this trip, and he's saying, you know, the Germans were very smart. They understood that the Jews were responsible for the spread of communism, and they started to kill them. And that's basically what we are doing with the Jesuits. Like, it's like, and it's just like, damn. He said that.

And they brought him over and, you know, and touted him as a crusader for freedom. Like it wasn't, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to understand how a country that had been sort of that had just seen the church commission and had, you know, the fall of Saigon, the Carter administration. a country that it experienced so much sort of public like official reckoning with its empire and that was

dealing economically with really tough stuff right? You know like the average it's not like this was a period of giddy you know prosperity right

it was like a kind of it was a shitty time for most Americans, for for most of the time that this, you know, this stuff is going on. It's shocking that the Reagan administration was like similarly sadistic and similarly fascist to the Trump administration. They were less stupid. I don't know if there was anything like ICE out there. Yeah, well, they had Rex 84.

They had all of these continuity of government. programs in the works where they were complying lists of potential dissidents to round up basically into concentration camps in the event of some cataclysmic revolutionary upsurge. But I think it's, you know, what rhymes between the late 70s into the 80s with today is also super structural consolidations and infliction of pain and sadism and torture and immense suffering over the top of a deeper consolidation of power and of wealth in the hands of an ever smaller and an ever more unaccountable segment of the ruling class. And, you know, in order to, resolve the contradictions of capitalism that are exposed by crises, like the crisis of the 70s,

you know, whether you want to pinpoint it at the oil shocks and the embargo following 73, that led to that massive stagflation or, you know, the so-called oil shortage of the later 70s. This is really why, you know, in our... The regulation of the banking sector and the emergence of like... the shadow banks that were I mean like the so much of this

you know such an enormous cause of all this criminality is just the the willingness to allow the banking system to just become a vehicle for Ponzi schemes and fraud and like you know

you don't need to you don't need to do that right but then again it's like it's the It's the astronaut meme. Always has been. Right. Right. Like, this is why we started our podcast with Jerry Ford that, you know, he let these Nazi foxes into the henhouse with Dick and Don, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld, that rat fucked his 76 campaign that worked underhandedly with young Americans for freedom to bring about the rise of Reagan.

that, you know, in 1979, 1980, they were doing the secret deals with the Iranians for the hostages to get Carter's electoral chances into the toilet. And all of this kind of maneuvering to bring about a new order. And I think what the fascists in power today are trying to do something similar with an evolved set of fascist. economic interests, you know, you could think about the tech billionaires that have now really thrown their wokeness to the wind and lined up behind Trump. I mean, all these guys are investing now in Greenland, right? Bill Gates and Bezos and Teal are all put in skin in the game. The president's interest on Greenland has been clear. It's a national security interest. It's a longstanding interest that predate this administration that the United States was not going to use

force or military force in Greenland. I had read that, like, that the louder, Ron Lauder was the one who really, like, wanted Greenland. Another Epstein associate. Well, also, so Ron Lauder literally started the anti-Semitism crisis before October 7, because he wanted to force the, I went to Penn, and he wanted to force the president of UPenn to cancel this Palestinian Literature Festival in September of 2023.

He was so mad about it. And, you know, he got, you know, Mark Rowan all, you know, he got the whole donor community, you know, all pissed off about the fact that they were allowing this Palestinian Literature Festival to happen. And then October 7th happened and they were like, see, see what happens. See what happens.

Well, he was concerned about anti-Semitism way back when he got Jeffrey Epstein. The thing, Austroen passport, yes. So that. So that he wouldn't be unfairly targeted for his Jewish physiognomy. Well, yes. Really. So I, like, I've been kind of trying to understand what green, because people who understand the Trump administration have been talking about Greenland for a while.

Like, yeah, there's some people who are really serious about Greenland. And then it blows up and you're like, God damn. But we are living in really terrifying times. And it is very strange to be in this position where, you know, the Catholic Church is woke and Tucker Carlson is woke. And, you know, like, I don't know. I don't know how. We deal with it because I do think that the, you know, Josh Shapiro's of the world.

Like, you know, Josh Shapiro came out like last week and or two weeks ago, maybe it is now, to talk about how Kamala, you know, insinuated that he was an agent of Israel and it wasn't that so anti-Semitic of her. And I don't think that that, like, I think that the most people, or I don't know, I, I could be wrong, but I think that, like, a lot of, the audience was like, no, that, that, that actually gives me a lot of, you know, more respect for Kamala Harris's team. Like, that's, that's a real, you know, serious question. Like, you kind of seem like one, don't you? You know? Like, um, and, uh, and yeah, that's another thing. It's so, like, really, I'm dying for somebody to do. the story of like Nazis and misod agents hanging out in Latin America in the

70s and 80s and and you know training up like death squads you know like because they were both they've both been there they were both they were working side by side and you know

maybe there's something oh absolutely I mean Otto Scorzini right? Hitler's favorite commando was a massive exponent of the Nazi regime. And again, like to cast this entire mafia, paramilitary torture, death squad, milieu, as something totally off-board and distinct from the mainstream economic system is really misguided. because even in the person of Otto Scorzini, you see he was like the kind of adopted son.

He was married to, I believe, the niece of the Reichsbank head, Yalmar Schacht, who was allegedly in the room with Hitler when he came up with a lot of his ideas in mind comp while he was in prison and helped to plan the Reich from the, the early, early days as a mainstream economic actor. This was not like some fringe figure. He was best friends to the point where he was godfather to the child of the head of the English bank, the head of the Central Bank of England, Montague Norman. Like the connections and the mainstream legitimacy of the people at the very top and their deep entanglements with figures that we would consider to be outlaws, pirates, murderers, torturers is all over the historical narrative.

Like, it's written in a way that just totally, like the history is written in a way that just buries all of that shit. And Scorsani, of course, trained the Massad. He trained the Green Berets. He trained the Libyan security. forces as well. And the Egyptians. Like he was all over the place.

And what do they all have in common? They're all kind of involved in this network behind the curtain of the events that we interpret through these layers upon layers of rose-colored glass that the mainstream media and, you know, academia and the propaganda apparatus forces upon us to dissuade us from really getting to the level of rage and kind of disgust that naturally emerge once you do kind of dig beneath the surface. I've been, yeah, and this is something that, you know, I think, it's so important to it's it's it's a little too hot for a lot of mainstream audiences I found but um looking at that period of time between when the holocaust happened and when the

holocaust became a thing that people learned about you know this 20 year period of time when it happened we're not talking about it um when um i think there were like 11 i g farbin executives who were prosecuted at Nuremberg. And they were kind of some of the last ones. But, you know, they were at the very tippy top. They, you know, used slave, they made money on the slave labor, you know, and there's this rubber plant. And then they made money on the Zeichlon B. You know, they were, it was really like, it was an amazing arbitrage for them. Flush with American capital, too. I mean, investments from Rockefellers. Oh, yeah, 100%. And these guys were, you know, they had this team that was sort of the FDR

antitrust team that were the experts on IG Farbin, was prosecuting these guys at Nuremberg. And they were just getting clobbered by right wingers in the press back home and accused of lynching. and, you know, these people were patriotic businessmen, like, why would you go after them? Really, like, horrific stuff. And a bunch of the prosecutors, especially the lead one that's say Josiah Du Bois, like, he was, you know, he was interrogated by the House on American Activities Committee. I mean, as soon as 1946 came along, this guy was out. he'd been this sort of like rising star in the in the because he had he had uncovered the conspiracy in the state department to suppress all of the final solution cables from you know

to reroute them make sure they never reached the president or the treasury secretary um he he had discovered that and they had started like the very belated uh refugee program and this guy just gets absolutely, I mean, consigned to obscurity and, you know, totally canceled. And a lot of those guys did have their careers canceled because they, and the guy who wrote, the guy who wrote Hiroshima also wrote a similar book on the, on the Warsaw Rebellion. And he also was like, you know, just like those early Holocaust, And I, Murna Winklstein says that

you know, Raul Hilberg faced the same thing. Like basically you were canceled if you talked about the Holocaust in the 50s. And, you know, during like the McCarthy era especially. Well, yeah. The Dulles brothers were in charge of the State Department and U.S. foreign policy and they were invested up to the eyeballs in IG Farben. Like they had represented half of those companies

when they were working at Sullivan and Cromwell during the war and before in the lead-up. Yeah. And it's funny that you mentioned the cutting off the path of the documentation within the government because one of the people in the war department who also helped to suppress the reports of the concentration camps and advocated against bombing the train lines to Auschwitz was none other than John J. McCloy, who sat on the Warren Commission with Alan Dulles. Jesus Christ. And was the head of the World Bank, you know, right after the war.

Yeah, these guys just kept getting sweeter and sweeter jobs. It's really, and, you know, meanwhile, like, you know, again, there's, I mean, the biggest, just, like, unbelievable thing is, you know, these guys that prosecuted the far big. executives, you know, their documentary evidence largely came from this the chief sanitation chemist at Ashwitz, I think, the guy who actually

ordered the Zeiglion B was a like fake Nazi Gerstein, Kurt Christine. He joined the SS because he was trying to figure out what happened to his like bipolar sister-in-law and he tried to, he was in charge of like ordering the cyclone, you know, setting up the gas chambers essentially and he would just try to like destroy the Zyclombie that he got and he was going to, you know,

he went to the church, he went to like the Danish embassy. He was, he spent his life trying to tell anyone who would listen what was going on because he was like, he was so aghast and he, you know, wrote it down like very meticulously. But then he ended up dying in a POW camp and, you know, couldn't even get, uh, his, his like widow couldn't even get like a pension because it was kind of in this like no man's land of like, what, you know, was he a hero or was he a villain? Um, you know. It would be interesting to compare his story with the story of another employee of the

chemical plant at Auschwitz, Monowitz. who went by the name of Catole Wojila, of course, better known as Pope John Paul II. Oh, my God. Was Pope John Paul the Second? Well, that explains everything. He worked, he was like a laborer at Auschwitz as a pole, right? So he was a cut above the slave laborer of the Jews that were capital. That's insane.

But he was he was up in there too. That is so insane. That is so insane and it kind of makes, yeah, no, because now, um, you sort of wonder, like, how the fuck was El Salvador getting away with, like, just murdering, like, all of these priests? What was, like, how was that allowed? Yeah. How was, how was, um... It goes so deep.

I mean, honestly, it's like we could probably spend like five hours talking about all this stuff and just going down different limbs of the tree of Nazi life that we are all hanging from in one giant noose right now. Oh, my God. Like, you know, you talk about how is it like the all of these Operation Condor, death squads and dictatorship. were also propped up and financed by networks leading to the Vatican Bank, like where straight up Italian mafia money was laundered with mainstream, you know, above board business money through like Banco Ambrosiano, McKellie Sondona and Roberto Calvi, like the Italian bankers that get killed. But that money go around that's financing operasian.

in Gladio in Europe is financing the death squads in South America and the dictatorships, is taking a cut of the drug proceeds. And it's just all mixed up in one big wheel of cash that, you know, to participate in the ordinary bourgeois economy on a day-to-day basis, you know, in the world of finance and the world of, law, you know, that operates at the periphery of the economic system and keeps it going, is to blind yourself to the illicit nature of the base of this whole pyramid that the global economy is constructed as. Like, the whole thing at the very bottom is exploitation, drug trafficking, human trafficking, cruelty of an unnameable,

an unimaginable sort. And yet, you know, that is what builds McMansions in the suburbs for... Well, that's, I mean, again, like, the, like, there's such a thing as industrial policy. And, like, even, I mean, if you could read some of the stuff that, like, you know, whatever, Thomas Jefferson wrote about usury and, like, how, you know, I think that he set capped interest rates at, like, 5% in Virginia because he thought that, like, you know, he also, like, was like deeply in debt. But like,

you've got a bar to buy slaves. Yeah, exactly. There are industries that are, um, fundamentally destructive to the rest of your economy. And obviously like drug, you know, addictive drugs is, uh, anything addictive.

Um, it, you know, takes away from the rest of your like economic growth. You know, this is like stuff that economists obviously study. Um, this is something,

you know, China, learned the hard way. But we refuse to sort of like learn this lesson that like, yeah, no, there's industries that are like not as bad, right? Like it's like obviously and what we have and that like, you know, kind of foster like economic growth. You can run a banking system like a utility, right? Or you can run a healthcare system like a healthcare system or you can run it like a freaking, you know, extortion ring. Like you there and everything we in this country, we choose to run everything in the most

exploitative and kind of inefficient like, well, you know, they've sort of redefined efficiency. But I mean, that's that that's a, that's a thing that like I, you know, that I have always marveled is like, well, you know, like, and you see this in, you know, like the way that like, the way that like oil oligarchs act. Now all of our tech oligarchs in this country are acting the way that, you know, the Hunt brothers did in the 80s. But yeah, you know, like there are, like there are choices

that you can make if you're trying to run an economy, right? Like you're, there's, there are ways that you can. I guess it depends what your goals are. Right. You know, no, you have to have like goals. like you have to like there there's the possibility of wanting to maximize employment right like that's what like most of the East Asian countries have like built their systems on doing and you know lo and behold like they don't have the same problems with drug addiction that we do and like their

economies you know and like yeah when the economy grows in those countries then like regular people standards of living tend to like also improve um But that's really the, you know, those are like kind of outliers. And I've also often marveled like, well, why did we allow like China to industrialize and like build factories? And like why didn't we condemn them to misery the way that, you know, we have, you know, Venezuela and Iran and like, you know, every, basically every country in the Middle East? Because those countries weren't going communist during the Cold War. We didn't need to pin them against the Soviet Union to make an example of the, you know, the ways in which socialism would be tolerated in other parts of the world.

I feel like the... Right. Or they be, or because they did go communist and then they got, you know, they established, you know, nuclear deterrence, I guess. Yeah. You can be communist. Just don't help anybody outside of your borders, China. Like, I feel like that was kind of the Kissinger message to China during the 70s. I just got it.

And they heard it, right? Oh, yeah. They're like, you know, but in any case, if you look at, like, Taiwan, obviously, it was another one of these, like, mafia states run by drug traffickers. and then they like they switched their methadone was semiconductors

and then they built you know they exported all of their other industries to mainland China and you know it's just like a much much more benign and less like just stomach churningly destructive story

and I just sort of wonder like Like, what, you know, like, why? Because when you look at Latin America, you look at the history of our relationship with those countries and like how we've reacted so violently every time there's anything resembling, you know, a movement for, a popular movement for some kind of wealth redistribution, it's just such a, like, orgy of, you know, pointless destruction. It doesn't, but like, it doesn't have to be. that way.

Well, pointless to who? That's the thing. It's like, it's not pointless if you are the Rockefellers. It's not pointless if you need to squeeze like 5% returns on investments for your portfolio. Right. It's not pointless if you're part of like this like perma elite, you know, like that was the thing. You know, like this is these guys, you know, the Venezuelan perma elite and the Cuban in permanently, you know, exile elite before them.

You know, they're just trying to sort of, you know, keep their racket going. And it just oftentimes seems like what, you know, only, and this is a thing that you kind of observe in the kind of lobbying circles is that like in an industry trade group, the most toxic and abusive and bad actor will always sort of take over the industry trade group. and like, you know, their policy priorities will be the one that the industry trade group tries to promote, you know, like the most abusive, the most like risky, the most, you know, doomed to kind of cause, you know, massive disruption. That's always what we're going for. And it would be nice if we could just like get into harm reduction. And I do think, you know, like it seems like, you know, like, you know, it seems like, you. know, there are, even inside the Trump administration, like, it would be really cool. Like, there's all this talk about impeaching Kirstie Nome.

And it's like, I'm sorry. Like, if we impeach Steve Miller, like, we could actually reduce harm, you know? Like, he is a straight of Nazi. And nobody likes him. He doesn't have the charm of a Rumsfeld or even a Cheney, you know? He's just a freaking creep. Yeah. So anyway, I'm about harm reduction right now, but I have to reduce the harm that I've inflicted upon my marriage by not being available to my long-suffering husband who has to work very late hours.

So I'm sure that there will be another time, there will be another opportunity for us to talk. hopefully I will say like fewer times. I really need that media training. Well, yeah, thank you so much. I really hope that we can do it again soon because I think, you know, you mentioned media training, but I think, you know, I did want to ask you and we'll save this for the next time, but being in the media now where there's just this ever widening golf between what the narratives that we're getting sold from official sources

versus, you know, people reporting actual facts, and how might we bridge that? I think there's a lot to think about, a lot to discuss about kind of taking observations and turning that into actionable information. I commend and thank you for all of your work doing that as a journalist and as one that not only really covers the beat of global capitalism in a very transparent and factual way that's unfettered by all of the propagandistic chains that bind most media narratives, but also in a prose that is really fun to read and digestible and and you make it, you know, I wouldn't say entertaining in a frivolous way, but in a way that strikes, you know, both the humor chords and the heartstrings of your readers.

So big fan, big admirer, and very thankful that you gave me two hours of your time tonight, and I wish you a very happy weekend. Thank you so much. Yeah, I really appreciate it. well, it's not the greatest time to be a journalist, but it's not, it's not dull. Think about, I mean, think about like Renee Good, like we would still be sort of processing that, you know, five years ago. So it is, it's, it is a crazy and wild time. And I think that people are starting, people just need to start understanding.

I mean, this might be sort of good. Everything the Trump administration says is a lot. And that's actually been going on for a longer time than like any of you will admit. Oh, yeah. Stream media folks. Anyhow. But we can talk about that later. Have a great weekend.

All right. Stay warm. Okay. Thank you, Mo. Bye. Bye. And on behalf of Mo Tassick and on behalf of Dick, I'm Don. saying farewell and keep on big in.

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