Fourth Reich Archaeology - #084 - She Harvey Oswald, Part 4, Side B

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

We are working our way back from a lengthy hiatus to Jerryworld, and our ongoing series within a series, She Harvey Oswald. Yer boys are back in the studio prepping the next installments, so as an on-ramp to that triumphant return, we’re releasing the long-awaited Side B of our last installment on would-be Gerald Ford assassin, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme. You will recall that Fromme emerged from the hippie counterculture of the 1960s, and more specifically, the so-called “Manson family.” As we’ve laid it out, it’s less of a cult than a criminal enterprise with hippie branding. And like any good American criminal enterprise, it has its ties to the intelligence services as well.When we last left off, Fromme, Manson Girls  Sandra Good and Brenda (who were not connected to the Tate and Labianca murders) had shaved her heads in solidarity, etched Xs were doing all they could to further Charlie’s message and help Charlie from the outside. Including by “taking care” of the Aryan Brotherhood members who agreed to protect Charlie in prison…Fromme had effectively swapped out the hippie free love vibes that she was immersed in the late 1960s for a much more brutish and violent culture espoused by the white supremecist Aryan Brotherhood.  And so we spend much of this episode examining whether Fromme, who willingly shacked up and rubbed elbows with the Aryan Brothers, was going along with them wholly ignorant of the violence the Aryan Brotherhood left in its wake, or if she was much more attuned to what was going on than she would have you believe? Beyond the facts, we spend a good deal of time discussing the white apologetics of Americans of the baby boom generation and how well buried is the bloody and disgusting history of the highest echelons of power adopting essentially Nazi views on race and White Supremacy.  Be sure to listen to the end for a big reveal of an underrated reichsman.

The following passage comes from Guy Debord's comments on the Society of the Spectacle. Going from success to success until 1968, modern society was convinced it was loved. It has since had to abandon these dreams. It prefers to be feared. It knows full well that its innocent air has gone forever. So it is that thousands of plots in favor of the established order tangle and clash almost everywhere as the overlap of secret networks and secret issues or activities

grows ever more dense along with their rapid integration into every sector of economics, politics, and culture. In all areas of social life, the degree of intermingling in surveillance, disinformation, and information, security activities gets greater and greater. The plot having thickened to the point where it is almost out in the open, each part of it now starts to interfere with or worry the others, for all these professional conspirators are spying on each other without really knowing why, are colliding by chance, yet not identifying each other with any certainty. Who is observing whom? On whose behalf,

apparently, and actually, the real influences remain hidden, and the ultimate aims can barely be suspected and almost never understood. So that while no one can be sure he is not being tricked or manipulated, it is rare for the string puller to know he has succeeded. And in any case, to be on the winning side of manipulation does not mean that one has chosen the right strategic perspective. Tactical successes can thus lead great powers down dangerous roads. In the same network and apparently pursuing similar goals, those who are only a part of the network are necessarily ignorant of the hypotheses and conclusions of the other parts, and above all of their

controlling nucleus. The reasonably well-known fact that all information on whatever subject under observation may well be entirely imaginary, or seriously falsified, or very inadequately interpreted, complicates and undermines to a great degree the calculations of the inquisitors. For what is sufficient to condemn someone is far less sure when it comes to recognizing or using him, since sources of information are in competition, so are falsifications. It is in these circumstances that we can speak, of domination's falling rate of profit, as it spreads to almost the whole of social space and consequently increases both its personnel and its means. For now, each means aspires and labors

to become an end. Surveillance spies on itself and plots against itself. Its principal present contradiction finally is that it is spying on infiltrating and pressuring an absent entity. that which is supposed to be trying to subvert the social order. But where can it actually be seen at work? Certainly conditions have never been so seriously revolutionary, but it is only governments who think so. Negation has been so thoroughly deprived of its thought that it was dispersed long ago.

Because of this, it remains only a vague yet highly disturbing threat, and surveillance in its turn has been deprived, of its preferred field of activity. Surveillance and intervention are thus rightly led by the present exigencies determining their terms of engagement to operate on the very terrain of this threat in order to combat it in advance. This is why surveillance has an interest in organizing polls of negation itself, which it can instruct with more than the discredited means of the spectacle

so as to manipulate not terrorists this time, but theories. Colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. It's one huge complex or combine. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. This international power structure is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world and exploit them of their natural resources.

We found no evidence of conspiracy, foreign or domestic. The Warren Commission was science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America ever. I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to acquire information which showed that there were two wars going. His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds, members, the more easy victims of a big lie than a small law. For example, the CIA. No, he has a mile.

He knows so long this is a die. Freedom can never be secure. It usually takes a national crisis. Freedom can never be secure. A lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? This is a model. This is a model. This is a model. This is a model. This is a model. This is Fort Reich Archaeology. I'm Don. And I've got a special message to relay from Dick. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from...

Don, it's Dick. Except the charges, man. at Florida Correctional Institution. This call is subject to recording and monitoring. Hey, everyone. It's the other half of your favorite noided lawyer podcast. Dick here, doing a proof of life to let you all know that I am alive and well, and I hope that my absence has made your hearts grow fonder. I won't sugarcoat it.

You heard it correctly. I am hemmed up at the moment. I came down to South Florida, do a little bit of field research on Marco, the Narco Rubio, and then decided to stick around for Mamay Sapote season. You know, I just had to get my hands on some of that right mammae.

For those of you who know, well, you know that there's just some good Mahme Sapote down here, and it's hard to find anywhere else in the country. South Florida happens to be one of those special places where you can find it. so I stuck around for maybe a little bit longer than I should have. And well, one minute, I'm having a Cubano sandwich at Enriqueetas, and the next minute some guy is asking me to hold his parakeet.

And it turns out in South Florida, parakeet doesn't mean the same thing it means anywhere else. What it means is it's a surefire way to end up in the Miami-Dade deployment. Department of Corrections. So I guess you live and you learn. Obviously joking, guys. I'm doing fine, handling some personal stuff on my end, but so excited to let you all know that we've been back in the lab cooking up the remainder of our Jerry World series,

our She, Harvey Oswald series within a series. And I can't wait to get that out to you all. But in the meantime, I would just have to leave you in the very capable hands of my co-host and compadre Don. Talk soon, folks. Keep on digging. Thank you for using T-Netics. Well, with that out of the way, let me say very emphatically, enthusiastically, and warmly, welcome back, listener. Welcome back to Shee Harvey Oswald, which is, of course, a series within a series falling under the larger umbrella of Jerry World, the project that this whole podcast kicked off with, oh, about 18 months ago now back in August of 2024, seemingly simpler, more innocent days. However, we know that that innocence itself is but a siob,

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about to hear will largely be a repeat of one that you heard a long time ago. in its full form because this is yet another side B episode, this one being side B to Shee Harvey Oswald Part 4. And the patrons will know that we released the entirety of Shee Harvey Oswald Part 4, oh, a couple of months back. And we are dropping it now. We figured this would be a good on-ramp as we get back into She-Harvey-Haw-Haw-Ramp. Oswald after a prolonged absence from this series within a series. And yes, that's right. You heard

me correctly, listener. We are back in the studio, back in that booth, dropping bars, dropping new she, Harvey Oswald episodes. And the next one of those will be coming your way next week. We're so excited to be back into it. And since it has... has been a while, we thought that we would provide you with a bit of a recap to give you a sense of where we last left things off with the protagonist of this first half of Shee Harvey Oswald, of course, talking about none other than Lynette, Alice Squeaky, Froemy. Now, to be sure, if you are not caught up on the series of Shee Harvey Oswald, please do scroll your little thumb down that screen and dig up wherever you did leave off in it

because you'll want to have that foundation before moving forward. But if you have already been through it once, twice, however many times you need to get that info into the old brain architecture, well, listen up because here comes the recap. All right, you'll recall. Lynette Fromey was born to a family under the breadwinner of her father, Bill, who was an aeronautics engineer for the Northrop Aerospace Company in that growing, booming military-industrial complex of Southern California in the post-war years. And she had a troubled childhood, thanks to Bill. Bill's overbearing disciplinarian, dare I say, Germanic mentality that he brought to his role as

her father, and she was a born free spirit engaging in the arts from a young age and clashing with that titan at the Potter Familius. So soon after she became of age, she was out of the house. She left home after a fight with her dad and went right into the arms of her next father figure of sorts, a guy who she described as a fancy bum. That's right, Charles Manson, in the summer of 1967, the summer of love. She spent the next two years with Manson doing acid, living communally with the so-called family, and really coming under what could only be described as a spell, a trance-like spell of infatuation with Manson

and with everything that he spoke of and stood for, or at least everything that he purported to stand for to the extent that you can actually trace any coherent line through Charles Manson thought at all, not something that is easy to do when the guy is all over the place. And as we've discussed extensively, the reason why Charles Manson's discourse is so disjointed, so incoherent, is because he's not really a guru of any kind. No, he's a pimp.

He's a hustler. He is a hard knocks crook and a con, a guy who got. his education in America's prisons and whose primary objectives upon release were perhaps not transcendental for the betterment of mankind and saving the world, but for the betterment of Charles Manson, keeping his dick very much wet, keeping the drug supply flush, and essentially staying out of trouble and the way that he may very well have done that is to cooperate with any one or combination of the many spooks who he came into contact with during the escapades of the family between 1967 and 1969 so you'll recall for example that in san franciscoe in the summer of love and

thereabouts, not only was there a real magnet to the flower children of the growing and advancing consciousness of the 1960s, there was also a magnet right there in the heart of the Haid Ashbury for CIA-connected psychiatrists and mind-control researchers like the infamous Dr. Lewis Jollyon West. And we discussed how Manson and his family spent a good deal of time around the orbit of Dr. West of the hate Ashbury Free Medical Clinic and all of these ongoing, very secretive operations under the umbrellas of Operation Chaos and Project M.K. Ultra, both of which have been subject to mass, mass deletions of record. and it's to the point where we'll never really know the whole truth about what our government was up to with our tax dollars, but the glimpses that we do have paint a very bleak picture indeed, using hypnosis to control behavior, using drugs to induce psychotic states, all of the things that on a micro level, Charles Manson was doing, with his very flock of female followers, including Squeaky Fromey. So after these years of what she described as essentially Bliss, living in San Francisco,

in Mendocino, at the Spawn Movie Ranch, of course, and out in the Desert of Death Valley, well, in August of 1969, that all comes to a screeching halt. when the Manson followers commit seven acts of grisly murder in the Hollywood Hills, causing a national stir. And during their trial, of course, Squeaky, whose squeaky clean image kept her away from the bloody violence, while she becomes spokeswoman for the family, she holds an ongoing vigil outside the courtroom, and is performing day in and day out for the cameras in this spectacle. And spectacle was nothing new for the family,

given that they had emerged from this Hollywood milieu, you know, living with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, befriending record producer Terry Melcher, indeed, the owner, a former owner of the CLO Drive house where Sharon Tate and her friends were murdered by the Manson crew and otherwise kind of hobnobbing and rubbing elbows with the creme de la creme, the cool kids. You know, this was a time of mass experimentation with drugs, of course, and with sex. And Manson set himself up as kind of a pimp to the stars, if you will, a pimp and a dealer to the stars.

And in that respect, we analogized Charles Manson to Jeffrey Epstein. And we analogized Squeaky Frommi, his sort of manager, to Gilane Maxwell. Now, of course, those are not one-to-one comparisons, obviously. But beneath the surface, the family looks a lot more like a round. racket like a sex and drug trafficking racket and of course later a murder racket as well talked about how they're also producing pornography and just really engaged in illegal business as american as apple pie of course after the murders squeaky's life starts to derail because she is without the son of her solar system charlie manson he's

incarcerated. So what does she do? She dedicates herself to working at Charlie's orders with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang to help get not only Charlie, but also other Aryan brothers out of jail, to take care of them when they do get out of jail, and to otherwise kind of keep the scams going, keep the money coming in, keep the operations afloat. And to squeeze, If you'd ask her about it, you wouldn't get any inkling that she's engaged in anything untoward. Because for her point of view, she's trying to save essentially the living embodiment of Jesus Christ on earth, Charlie Manson, in order to save the world. This is her mentality. This is how she views the world and her purpose on it.

And it's not easy to view the world like that when the rest of humanity has abandoned Charlie Manson has really cast him out as a psychotic, as a menace, as a pariah, as an insane lunatic. But he was never that to squeaky, and she persisted in her pursuit of his free. and of his restoration to the proper role that she felt he deserved. And so where we last left off, Squeaky had fallen in with this rather rotten crowd of Aryan brothers and was traveling around. These were really bad criminals, not sophisticated guys, not ideological guys, not even that ideologically committed Nazis. These were just basically your classic thugs. And so where we last left her, Squeaky was kind of babysitting this band of Aryan brothers.

She's being pulled in a million different directions, trying to work on her memoirs, trying to get Charlie out of prison, trying to fight for this news. quasi-religious articulation of Charles Manson thought that he had communicated to her from his prison correspondence and trying to keep herself afloat. And if you'll recall at the very end of side A of this episode, we left the gang in Stockton, California, where recently they had caught a body, the body of one of their hangers on fell up by the name of James Willett. And James Willett was put down because his wife, Rennie Willett, had told their cohorts, guys by the name of Spider and Red Eye, that James was getting ready to rat to the cops. And so they're really dealing with some legal dilemmas to put it very

mildly. And in this episode, we are going to explore Squeaky's relationship to violence at this point in time, because ultimately one of the big questions that this series is seeking to answer, or at least to ruminate upon, because, hey, answers are not really easy to come by when you're dealing with the fractal-like narratives here that break in infinite directions depending on the source of information. And those sources in turn practically all conflict amongst themselves. So amidst this very tangled web, this wilderness of mirrors, to borrow an expression from old James Jesus Angleton, that principal question that we're interested in exploring, is of course whether Squeaky in fact wanted to kill Jerry Ford on September 5, 1975,

and who, if anyone, helped put her up to it. So let's pay attention to how Squeaky acts when the gang now bereft of its fearless leader Charlie Manson gets into some more violent crime. Without any further ado, let's get digging. It was said that we were sicko, sick, in a perverse way, stupid, all those kind of things. And why don't what people say that? Am I sick? Am I perverted? No, there's things I love.

My friends who did the killings, I stand by them because I didn't see anybody else willing to go to war. In war, there's death. Let's talk about that murder in Stockton. Now, almost immediately after moving into town, two of the Aryan brothers who had just killed their comrade, James Willett in the woods, robbed a liquor store in their new,

hometown and they were arrested after the attendant tripped a silent alarm. Of course, one was red eye, Manson girl Brenda's man, and the other was Billy Goucher who was dating another Manson girl named Crystal. Now the group turned to Goucher's mom for some bail money, but she only had enough money to bail one of them out. Now here is where Lynn gets involved in a ruse to trick poor Billy's mom alongside Brenda and the recently widowed Reni Willett. Reni, with infant in tow, begged Mrs. Goucher to bail out Red Eye instead of her son, Billy. Why? Because Reni said she and her daughter needed their husband and father out with them. Wait a minute. I was waiting for that. Never mind that he wasn't the husband or father.

the husband and father was rotting in a shallow grave. Or I should say out of a shallow grave at this point. It was being eaten by raccoons. Yeah. So, you know, they're saying, look, get red eye. Please get Red Eye out because the baby needs their dad. And they took it a little too far. They even said that his name was James Willett.

And Red Eye gave the name of James Willett to make the whole ruse stick. Instead of just saying, like, I mean, Rennie presumably could have said, oh, yeah, this guy, whatever Red Eyes real name is, like, he's my husband and father of my baby. I don't think that poor Mrs. Goucher would have been the wiser. No. But they went all in on the ruse. And that... It's so twisted, too, because it's like, actually, Red Eye's the guy who killed your husband and the father of your baby. Exactly.

Exactly. So fucked. And this whole charade Lynn played along. She hosted Miss Goucher for a night in her San Francisco apartment and facilitated that whole transaction. And wouldn't you know it? Red Eye gets out and immediately skips town with Brenda to Florida and comes back a few days later with guns. While Billy, Miss Goucher's boy, languish. away in county jail.

This is an interesting thing too, right? It's like, okay, they didn't have any money, so they needed Ms. Goucher. How did Red Eye have enough money to fly round trip across country with Brenda, buy weapons, and get back? How does that work out? Yeah, you would think that the bail money,

which I think it was set at like 300 bucks or something like that, you would think that all of the cash needed to get those plane tickets, to get a bunch of guns. And again, harken back, what a time to be alive when you could just fly down to Jacksonville, Florida from... Buy a bunch of guns. Buy a bunch of guns and fly them back across the country to California. Yeah.

Oof. It strains credulity that they had all this money but couldn't bail Billy out. And I got to think something else was going on. And more importantly, Billy had had to have thought that something else was going on because his bros just left him there to rot while they were out on the outside, living it up and doing their thing. and his poor mom, who I also want to note just for the memory of Guy Debord that Mrs. Goucher, her home in Los Angeles, she lived right across the street from the Paramount movie lot.

Oh, man. I just imagine her as like, have you seen Inland Empire? The David Lynch movie, like the old couple in Inland Empire getting taken for a ride. That's how I picture Mrs. Goucher in this whole saga. And her boy, you know, he's starting to wise up, but he gets an even ruder awakening and snaps out of any allegiance to his comrades when James Willett's body starts to smell, gets found by a hiker in the woods.

on November 6th, 1972, and the cops immediately come and visit Billy. Because, hey, Billy, wasn't your friend that you were arrested with that just got bailed out? Wasn't that guy named James Willett? We just found a dead body of a James Willett up north in the woods. Make it make sense, Billy. Yeah, I mean, if I were them, I would have done a quick, you know, ID swap when I'm bearing James Willett's body, right? And say, hey, let's just call this guy Red Eye. Red Eye is dead. Red Eye, now you're James Willett.

You're just Monday morning quarterback in the speed freak Aryan brothers here now, Dick. I don't think that they would have had the wherewithal to make such a plan. Yeah. And we have 50 years, we have 60 years plus of crime movies where this type of shit happens all the time that they just didn't have the benefit of yet back then. So the cops show up and they start questioning Billy. And honestly, I can't blame him for this. Like your boys, your friends go over to your mom's place and get your mother to turn her back on you. Like when the cops show up, Billy was ready to squeal.

And squeal he did. And I can't blame him. I don't think, Don, you would blame him. And so, you know, as a result, what happens is the cops are now on to Red Eye, they're on to Brenda, they're on to Reni, and they're onto the whole crew. Yeah. And they know that the crew is in Stockton, and they know more or less where to look. and they put a watch around this whole circle.

Meanwhile, let's check back in with our girl here. Lynn was bouncing back and forth between her apartment in San Francisco, where she is trying to live the quiet life and write her book, and down to L.A., where there was yet another Manson family trial going on at this time in the fall of 72, this was the trial for the Hawthorne raid and shootout. So Gypsy and the others were on trial in L.A. back at that old familiar Hall of Justice building. So on one of these jaunts, squeaky, is down on November 10th.

So remember, this is four days after James Willett's body is, found. Of course, Lynn knows nothing about that, but she is attending the trial on that Friday, and she gets in touch with Billy Goucher's girlfriend, Crystal, and says, hey, Crystal, you know, I'm going back up north this weekend. Why don't we visit Billy in jail? See how he's doing. or perhaps there was an ulterior motive of talking to Billy either about the events of the Hawthorne trial or sending some other message from the Aryan Brotherhood or indeed making sure that Billy hasn't squealed on all of their friends. It's not clear exactly what the motive was in making this visit. It's clear enough for Crystal though.

she just wants to go and see her man. So on that Friday, they go up from L.A. Crystal immediately goes to visit the jail that same night, while Squeaky goes up to the Stockton House to bunk with Brenda and the crew. And of course, by this time, unbeknownst to either of them, the cops had staked out Billy's cell, so they stop Crystal as she's leaving her visit with Billy and search her for any contraband. They're looking for a pretext to take Crystal into custody.

And wouldn't you know it, Crystal, good Manson girl that she is, has a nice big buck knife that she's not licensed to carry in her purse. And so they take her in for questioning and she squeals even more. gives even more detail to the cops about the crew than Billy had given. Maybe Billy told her that he had already been forced to talk. Maybe Billy told her that he was on to the scheme of his friends who had presumably betrayed him. Who knows, the fact of the matter is that the cops then stake out the Stockton House on Friday night.

Meanwhile at the Stockton House, the crew of people that are staying there is none the wiser to the police presence and the police surveillance that is closing in on them. And they begin perhaps to suspect that something is up when Crystal never makes it back. Lynn, of course, is at the house by this point, and she leaves. the next morning first thing to go and visit Billy herself as she had planned. So she spends some time with Billy in the prison. She leaves everything as hunky dory according to at least the superficial version of the story when she departs the Stockton house. And when she finishes up with her visit, she calls the house for a ride. And the person who answers, she thinks,

is the Aryan brother known as Spider, and so she gives that person her location and requests a ride. But Spider doesn't come up to pick her up. Instead, she is promptly arrested. And the reason why is because that person on the phone was a cop. In fact, the whole house was full of cops, and all of her friends were locked up. This time they were locked up for murder.

And wouldn't you know it, it wasn't just James Willett's murderer that was on their hands. Right, Renny Willett, it seems, got her comeuppance for turning on her husband on the father of her child. You see, sometime in the preceding day or days, Rennie was shot and killed. in the home, and she was buried in the basement crawl space. Now, one of the witnesses, Spider's girlfriend, Tuffy, said that this was an accident and that Red Eye was drunkenly trying to clean or fix his gun, and he was playing around with it when it went off. No one else spoke up about what happened.

The cops thought Reni was murdered to prevent her from squawking about her husband's murder. Now, Lynn's alibi was that she was still on her way to Stockton and only found out about Reni upon arrival. This all seems off, doesn't it, Don? Yeah, because the version of events that Tuffy gave had this killing take place on the very Friday night that Lynn was supposed to arrive. And so the official narrative, according to the only witness account of the murder, stated that all of this happened, not only the shooting, but also the burial in this basement crawl space, was over and done with by the time that Lynn got there and that Lynn only found out after she arrived and that everything had been done.

In other words, there was not enough information in that account to pin any liability on Lin for any sort of aiding, abetting, or accessorizing the murder after the fact. And why this seems off, well, the first red flag about this story in my mind is, if Crystal had time to get to the jail on Friday afternoon or evening during visiting hours and if she gave a statement to the police after being arrested outside the jail, her statement was taken and time stamped shortly after midnight on Friday. So Crystal had gone to the jail, spent a bunch of time with Billy, been arrested, been taken in time to give a statement to the cops a little bit after midnight. So that's got to be

hours of time. What was Lynn doing during all that time after she parted ways with Crystal? The jail was only like 20 miles away from Stockton. So it's not like she was driving or in transit for hours upon hours in between leaving Crystal and getting to Stockton. It doesn't add up unless she's out doing something, and because she did stick so faithfully to the no-snitching principle, she didn't actually give an account of her whereabouts, as far as I know ever. So this is a big question mark.

And remember, just a couple of months before the murders of the two Willits, Lynn was sharing an apartment with them. Like she would presumably have been a pretty important witness in the case knowing all of these people and having shared, a roof with this couple and with their infant child. And so that relationship that she had with Reni was close enough that she was involved in the scheme alongside Reni to trick Mrs. Goucher into bailing out Red Eye. She was up to her eyeballs in this crew of people at this time.

And meanwhile, she was also passing messages back and forth between the, folks and Charlie Manson in prison and San Quentin. And so even assuming that Lynn is correct and that she's telling the truth when she says that she was never involved in any sort of violent activity in her entire life, she was no wilting violet. Okay, she was at least adjacent to some pretty seedy criminal activities going on. But as luck would have it or as planning would have it or as Providence would have it, we'll never know, she once again was able to beat the rap. You want to talk about the investigation and her release?

Yeah, so, I mean, despite holding her for almost two months, the cops never came up with any evidence tying Lynn to the crime or the cover-up. There was no chemical evidence, no fingerprints, no witness statements, nothing that tied Lynn to the murder. All they had on Lynn was the fact that she called the house while the cops were there. Now, if the cops had approached the Stockton house in the wee hours of Saturday morning when they had the address from Billy's girlfriend Crystal in hand, they might have seen who was in the house and what they were doing.

But the cops limited their surveillance to conducting periodic drive-bys. To see if Red Eye's car, which was described to the cops by Billy Goucher, to see if Red Eye's car was there. So they didn't, you know, they didn't have anything on Lynn. Lynn walks again. It's another one of these, I think we can put it in the column of

examples of the catch and release of Squeaky. And you know, at this point, Red Eye pleads guilty to the murder and the rest pleaded guilty as accessories after the fact.

After spending a formative two months in jail during which Lynn takes every chance she can to talk to the media and kept spreading Charlie's message, she was released on January 3rd, 1973. Now, unfortunately for Lynn, the cops that dispatch from L.A. were waiting for her upon her release, and they locked her up yet again at the Civil Brand Institute for Women in Southern California. This time they picked her up for an armed robbery of a convenience store from the previous October

when the clerk who was robbed identified a photo of Lynn as the perpetrator. This was after rejecting several pages of photo arrays and the eyeball identification broke down easily on cross-examination. So, okay, so, you know, you have this clerk who identified Lynn as the perpetrator It's your classic photo array case, right? Like she's the, the clerk is there. They show her a bunch of pictures. As the story goes, she went through several pages of pictures.

And like points out, you know, fingers Lynn is like, fingers Lynn. And it's like this is the person. But then it's like your classic breakdown of like eyewitness testimony being, you know, not being reliable. because on cross-examination at the pretrial hearing, the clerk couldn't recall seeing like the big old X carved in the Perp's forehead, right? One of Lynn's most distinguishing characteristics, one of the, you know, most the oddest things that you could sort of recall of this face is this giant X in her forehead.

You know, the clerk also said the robber was blonde, whereas Lynn famously is a redhead, right? So the eyewitness testimony sort of deteriorates, and the charges were dropped yet again, and Lynn was free to resume the work of keeping the family together even while they were all apart. And in 1973, they were, of course, growing further apart than ever. In February, after another high-profile circus-like trial, the Hawthorne defendants were convicted and sentenced to prison time. Some of the girls, including Gypsy and even Mary Brunner, the first ever Manson girl, saw the leader of that group Kenneth Curley Como as a replacement for Charlie. And Lynn was smack in the middle of all of this.

When we say that she was the communications node between Charlie and the rest of the family, like she was literally getting the community, like literally getting writing from Charlie and messages from Charlie and transcribed. and translating and annotating, and then conveying them to their intended recipients. Like, she was the choke point for all comms coming from Charlie to the outside world, to his followers, and all of that. So for Lynn, the stakes were personal. In fact, we maybe forgot to mention this when we were talking about the family trials for the Tate-La Bianca murders,

but actually the Stockton murder was not even the first time that Lynn was taken into custody in connection with an alleged attempted homicide. And very quickly, there is the anecdote we would be remiss to exclude about the time in late 1970 when the Tate-Law-Bianca murder trials were still going on, and squeaky and gypsy and weesh were involved in an alleged plot to try and dose a witness,

a young girl named Barbara Hoyt, who was kind of a marginal Manson girl that was considering testifying against the family in the trial. they were trying to get her either to change her testimony or to freak out because they, this group of girls, lured Barbara Hoyt on a trip to Hawaii during the trial, and we're talking about it, her testimony, and when she was about to board the plane back to Los Angeles, Weish, who was in Hawaii with, her gave Barbara a hamburger dose with 10 doses of LSD. Yeah, damn. Yeah, that's what happens when you leave it to the amateurs to handle the mind control. You know, our guy Jolly West, he would never get caught with his pants down like that.

Yeah, exactly. And it is funny because as we know and as you, the listener, know, unwittingly dosing somebody with a shit ton of acid was just another day at the office for the CIA. Right. Those guys would even dose each other. And of course, famously Frank Olson, who was threatening to blow the whistle on U.S. bio-warfare programs was dosed with a shit ton of acid unwittingly and was thrown out of a window by the CIA. So it was a goof to his death.

And funnily enough, that comes full circle back to Jerry World because it is president Jerry Ford who invites Olson's surviving family to the White House for an official government apology. And to bring it back to Squeaky, there's one more real interesting tidbit about these arrests and incarceration. and that is when she sits down for her psychological interview after her arrest in September of 75, she only refers to her incarceration for the hamburger incident, completely omits any reference to the entire Stockton drama, which was actually the cause for her longest period of incarceration. So that's an interesting fact to keep in mind. The time you were charged with something that the trial didn't come off, what were you charged with it?

Diswasion of a witness. Why was it dropped when? It was not dropped. The original charge was attempted murder. This was a case where a girl allegedly received a hamburger with LSD. She allegedly received the hamburger in Hawaii. And at that time, I was in the States. But this was brought as a conspiracy, and due to the Tate La Bianca trial that was going on,

it was going to pass through with publicity. Consequently, I accepted a disposition. Isn't that what you called? Did you plead guilty and do some time or something? No contendure it. I wouldn't plead guilty, but I did plead no contendee. And received three months on the county job. Okay.

How did you feel while you were incarcerated? Was that a really bad trip or got along all right? Well, because of the place, Los Angeles County Jail is, I would say, is a very bad place to be incarcerated. Because of how large it is. Me very impersonal. That's right. But I go on fine.

Go along with the guards and inmates alive. Again, I would say some people might read into this that Squeaky Frommi was some kind of a hard-boiled killer because of her involvement in that affair. I think that that's an overstatement. But needless to say, she is involved in these conspiracies. of a criminal nature, and from that you can read whatever you will. I got to say,

if I had to guess what would be the person's name, the person who is dosing a minor with 50 tabs or 10 tabs of LSD, I think it's a safe guess to say that their name is whish. Yeah, weish sounds like the kind of person to dose a kid. But I think your point is that Lynn was not some passive observer. She was smack in the middle of all this dirt.

Was she not? Yeah. Yeah, that is the point. Thanks for bringing it back, as you always do. And so she was like varying information. She's the communications node, the choke point between Charlie and everybody else. And, you know, for her, this obviously brings her closer to Charlie. It brings her closer to Charlie's message.

And it makes everything, it adds this layer of, you know, making things way more personal for her than perhaps for the other members of this crew. Yeah, I almost think of her at this time as in one of these sort of comedy of errors type. movies or TV shows where somebody unwittingly kind of inherits a criminal enterprise that belong to their family or somebody else or something like that that they are the fish out of water and squeaky fromey goes gets into this role of administrator of Charlie's little mafia when he's locked up and she's just doing whatever she can and obviously that brings her very close to the edge and being close to the edge in the early 70s means working hand and glove with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang and you know while we discussed

the pact made between Charlie and the Aryan Brotherhood that was working pretty well for both sides for a time, even if it didn't, of course, succeed in getting Charlie out of prison. Apparently, some of the proceeds from some of these robberies that the gang was doing were helping pay his legal bills, and the girls were, of course, getting the fast and exciting outlaw lifestyle that they had become accustomed to. So, you know, there was some mutual benefits, but those benefits started to fray a great deal as Charlie is threatened with descending into irrelevance. And do you want to talk about why that was, Dick? Yeah.

Well, I think before we do that, maybe we start with how it came to be that a group like the Aryan Brotherhood, which is very violent, very brutish. These are basically modern day pirates or barbarians or whatever. But the toughest of these gangs would come together in Folsom and Sam Quentin prisons. There, white inmates decided on the name the Aryan Brotherhood. The Aryan Brotherhood was one of the first gangs that had the blood in, blood out oath. That meant to get into the gang, to become a member, you had to shed somebody's blood. And there's no retirement plan. You just couldn't say, I want out.

because they would kill you. Few details about their earliest days are known, but growing in the shadows of the penitentiaries, the Brotherhood soon establishes its violent reputation, launching vicious attacks against blacks and Hispanics, and leaving a bloody trail in their wake. What's like the Venn diagram between them and the Manson family, who, by all accounts, has developed a reputation of free love

and, you know, no ego and hippie-dippy bullshit? it. Like when I'm thinking of these two groups, to me, there's like some serious disconnect. Like, what's the common factor here? What is the overlapping part of the Venn diagram that made them such close buddies? Yeah, that's a good question. And it's not an easy one to answer, but I think it hints at and scratches at this bigger picture of, you know, what I think we're going to get into in a minute, this bigger picture of the operation to shitcoat the counterculture. And, you know, as any good mafia group, the Aryan Brotherhood has connections as well to law enforcement, to the prison administration, to the prosecutorial agencies in California.

like all of these criminal networks are overlapping not just with one another but also with what we refer to in shorthand as the deep state right so both we talked about the manson family's connections to the CIA through the operation chaos and mk ultra experimentation that was going on we have hinted at the possibility of catch and release for Charlie Manson himself and for Squeaky Fromey and the potential that that has as a symptom of involvement with state agencies or counterintelligence agencies. and the Aryan Brotherhood was certainly not beyond being used as an arm of this larger mafia, CIA, drug, and human trafficking networks that spanned across the entirety of North America. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, racial tensions were flaring up across the country.

They would soon hit American penitentiaries. Behind prison walls, race riots took a particularly brutal turn. In this climate, groups like the Mexican mafia, which modeled itself after the Italian mafia, and the black gorilla family with ties to the Black Panthers thrived. These gangs came together along color lines. No one man can stand alone in the system. You gotta side up to somebody. So you usually side up by your race.

For me, like, if we wanted to get real simple with it, to me, like, the real crossover for them is that they're both fucking racist. Occam's razor, yeah. You know, like Charlie had the apocalyptic theory that there was going to be a race war and the blacks were going to win, but those feeble-minded blacks can't govern themselves. and that's when we'll step in from deep, you know, deep hiding and we'll take on that role in the new black society, which is so fucked up to think that, like, the way that you would get to that conclusion, it's like the level of psychosis and brainwashing you would need to reach that conclusion with Charlie, really fucked up. At the same time, I mean, the Aryan Brotherhood, it says it right there in the name, right?

The recipe is in the name of the dish. The Aryan Brotherhood was very much a white supremacist organization. And they bought into the race war stuff that Charlie was dropping, right? Like, they were down with that. Yeah. We said it before in this episode. Like Charlie had and the group had like pretty outdated ideas about like sex, about keeping men in a position of power and keeping women in a subordinate position,

they had pretty backwards ideas about race as well. So I think this was one of the things that from a foundational point, like this is why the Aryan Brotherhood could get down with the Manson family, they were all white after all, you know? Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. And both the Manson family and the Aryan Brotherhood have these very slippery and kind of incoherent alibis for their racism. Like you hear it all the time that the Aryan Brotherhood be like, well, it's really just a criminal gang.

And really it's about white people sticking together in prison because all the other race. groups stick together and so the divisions are just along color lines once you're in that environment and there's a rigid structure and this helps to keep the order and it's like why do you think that is gee that just happened by accident and that goes kind of back to the point about collusion with counterintelligence and with government officials that that whole breakdown and the use of these very hierarchical structures with connections to the guards and to the cops and the prosecutors is behind the curtain of that division and that adoption and that adoption of race categories in prisons.

From the beginning, race is mixed freely in the yard here, and by all accounts, with relative peace for the first 80 years. That all changed in the tumultuous 1960s when rival gangs, including the AB, began competing for power. Today, Folsom's Yard is a patchwork of races and ethnicities. These guys like to segregate themselves on this yard by race. Off to my left, if you see the inmates over here, this is our white area. Over here, you'll have your skinheads.

You'll have your pecker woods and you'll have just your white inmates. And then off to the right, you'll have your, you know, a portion of the yard where the southerners are, the southern Mexicans from Southern California. The Serenios is what we call them. There are at least eight different gangs represented on this yard today. Tension is the norm. This friction laid the groundwork for the Aryan Brotherhood's rise to power. And interestingly, Lynn Frum,

Romi started to get uncomfortable, increasingly so, with the Aryan Brotherhood, because we may have hinted at it, but this guy Curley, the daring Aryan brother, who had enraptured many of the Manson girls with his daring feats, he was threatening to take Charlie's place at the the top of the pyramid and was doing so using kind of the more radical, the more big-picture racist ideology to bring people in around him. And he was successful by and large, right, or pretty successful. You know, Charlie is in jail, in prison and he's becoming more and more irrelevant. And as we're heading into the 1970s in the early 70s, like the Manson family is drifting farther and farther apart because there are some Manson girls that are down with

adopting Curley as, you know, the new leader as taking on Charlie's place. Yeah, exactly. And that becomes a big cause of strife with Squeaky. She's writing letters to them. They're writing letters to her. They start to threaten each other. I think at one point, even Mary Brunner, the very first ever Manson girl, is saying like, you're dead, squeaky. And Curley is sending squeaky, coded, threatening messages himself. And so it causes her to write in a letter around this time that the Aryan Brotherhood moves much on pure hate. They want Charlie to kill Black because Black is Black, and he will not do this, and they are against him. I have thought that all would come together, but men are playing bullshit games of personality and ego.

Yeah, no shit, Squeaky. You think? And it's amazing that she's still unable to look critically at all at Charlie, or anything that he does, says or stands for. notwithstanding the fact that she's seeing this hate in this group of people that up until recently were totally cool with Charlie. It's like, but I think that this maybe opens us up to talk a little bit about these race alibis that all these white boomers built for themselves because it's something that shapes our very world today.

And I actually think, you know, we recently released our No Kings faux kings episode. And we were talking about the presence of these boomer lives that police the speech of the American left to this day. And so much of their political ideology and identity is built around white apollosius. right the kind of self-justification for enjoying white privilege while also claiming to be in favor of equal rights for all and be progressive so like the mansinite discourse just to put a very fine point on it they couch their racist worldview in this idea of the colors of the rainbow that the different colors, the different racial groups should all shine through in their purest form. So black should be with black and brown should be with brown and white should be with white. And the mixing of the colors and the mixing of the races, it just turns everything gray, man. And we don't want to lose that beautiful brilliance of color that makes us who we are, which like,

all for cultural preservation here. Don't get us wrong. We are not a universal assimilationist podcast here, but we are also not anti-miscegenation for fuck's sake. Yeah, that's why the message is so successful, right? There's that there's that source of truth. It's kind of like what's going on today with these right wingers, right? It's like the message is right there baked into the statement where it's like, yeah, of course, we don't want to lose anyone's culture. We want to preserve everybody's way of living. No one should be subordinate to anyone else. But then you see when they get to their conclusion when they're like, and that's why we think that a race war is inevitable and that the blacks can't govern themselves and that's, you know,

we'll take our position as the leaders. It's kind of like what's happening today, right? where it's like people need jobs. We need to bring back jobs to the country, and that's why we need to cage every single immigrant in this country and put them in cages and ship them out, you know? It's like the same sort of idea of starting from a very basic point, which I think we can all agree on, and moving towards the crazy.

Yep. Yeah, it's, you could call it a form of national socialist rationality and logic, right? Because it's pointing the finger at a historical injustice, right? In the case of the Mansonites, they're pointing the finger and saying, the white man has mistreated the black man for so long that the black man is inevitably going to rise up and do away with white society that was built on.

exploiting the black man. So in that sense, they're not diverging too terribly, even from like a Black Panther sort of a discourse. But then it's the prognosis. It's the prescription for what's to be done where they go way off the reservation to use a deliberate problematic analogy. right these guys are very much serving in adopting a racist end game they're serving the goals of the same deep state forces that are deliberately attempting to shitcoat the counterculture at this time

Right. And in fact, like, this was, it was sort of what was happening behind the scenes in the, like, mainstream, you know, government institutions in the late 1960s, right? They, the people in power behind the scenes were very much preparing for a race war. Yeah. Yeah. Like literally. Yeah, like literally. And we weren't, when I say we, the government wasn't on the good guys side. No, the government was on the capitalist side, which is divide the working class, make them fight and kill one another, and reap all of the rewards, and build up infrastructure for caging people that can be used equally to, quote unquote, reduce or. control crime as it can to repress political dissent. That was the game plan for the Reagan gubernatorial administration, and that was the game plan for the incoming Nixon administration

that took office in 1969 in January. These administrations were both staffed up to the gills with literal World War II fucking Nazis. And it doesn't take 2020 hindsight to clock all of these angles. In fact, a lot of the information that we're discussing here is based on real-time research conducted by the likes of Ed Sanders, the author of The Family, conducted by the likes of the great late May Brussels, the radio host and conspiracy researcher from California, who was on top of all of this stuff and really became Nazi obsessed and Fourth Reich pilled way before it was out in the open. And I think it bears listening to a little bit of what she was saying about the Manson Op.

way back on October 21st, 1971. The Manson people, Tech Watson, were agent provocateurs. They were people dressed up in costumes of supposedly to be hippies, because they used drugs, because they were free with their sex, and had beards. They were supposed to be hippies. They were racist. They were Nazis. They were anti-Black.

They had no part of a flower scene or the hippie scene at all except to take on all the outward role. There were products of Manson of our prison system, and what is worse is that Charles Watson is the product of a Puritan ethic or repressed acceptable member of our society, and in order to justify his slaughters, we put him with all the gar, put him in a bus, and called it a hippie massacre. Los Angeles Police Department and the FBI have a special squad to provoke violence which will be blamed on leftists, the object to create a situation which would permit the president to invoke emergency powers and arrest and detained political action. Los Angeles Police Chief Edward M. Davis said a Bolshevik has been working to plant a false story involving the president of the United States and the Los Angeles Police Police Department. apart. He said it was a Bolshevik.

That cover story hasn't been used. I think Jedger over used, you know, like 30 years ago. It hasn't been used in three years. This massacre was done to effect a change in our society, an economic revolution. Moon's a common scene around my child. Do that's not the way? Let's go. And everybody.

They were still fighting that war, right? Reagan's long-time personal secretary, who later became his appointments secretary during his presidency, was herself an Austrian national, Helena van Dam, who spent her private sector career working with SS Obergruppen-fiere, Otto von Bolshev in North. Northern California. So these Nazis are in the mix. They are behind the scenes. And if you think about the world through the Fourth Reich archaeology lens, where the World War II never really ended, but just transmorgified into a different form, then you'll see the ways in which both the Manson family and the Aryan Brotherhood form two sides of the same coin,

or you could think of them as two different Nazi puppets being manipulated by the Nazi puppet masters, whether directly or more probably indirectly through the staging of all of these events and the details around the, around them. Not to say that there's some control at the operational level of the decisions being made on the ground, not to say that some fucking Reagan Nazi called up old red eye, the Aryan brother, and told them to ice out the Willits or something like that. But by putting these groups into contact with one another in a controlled environment like the California prison system,

you can mix ingredients together in a recipe that will have something of a predictable outcome, at least an outcome that is in line with this larger goal of MK Ultra, of chaos, of Cointel Pro, the goal of divide. Conquer and Cage. In some of her interviews from post-release, Squeaky even intimates that she was aware of the infiltration going on around her. We thought there was going to be an upheaval and that people were going to say, okay, that's enough.

That's enough. You try. is, I think, what is playing out here. It's also what's playing out in the Sally Moore story that we'll get into, but it's something that is really interesting to look at. And Dick, we were just discussing earlier, you know, we're recording this episode in two different sessions. And between the first session, and this session we're recording right now,

we discovered that there's a normie version of she Harvey Oswald out there, another podcast about the two assassination attempts on Ford. And it's like a classic true crime look at the events, right? And without casting aspersions on the work that they're doing, although I think it's superficial, it leaves this entire bigger picture out and therefore sucks the actual historical political content out of the story because if it's just viewed as though a two-dimensional picture of events and of a chronology of occurrences you might as well get that on Wikipedia, on the history channel. So hopefully this is a more enriching way to look at these events. And one that gets you thinking about how the world that these events shaped in the 1960s

and into the 70s is the world that we live in today. Right. So to just bring it all together, The broad countercultural diagnosis put forward by Manson, by the hippies, by communal living experimenters, by the rock bands of the 1960s, all of that. It was correct, namely, that the post-war mythos of Pax Americana, the Consumers Paradise, that was false. That was a big old pile of bullshit.

The suburban dream of the single-family husband, happy home made possible by GE and Westinghouse and Ford Motors, all of that was a lie. But as we've said many times, the way to truly confront and address that lie to right the wrongs concealed by the mendacious mythology is through the expropriation of the parasitic capitalist class that deployed these lies in the first place to shield its greedy. hoarding of resources. Now, obviously, the Mansonite solutions on offer were a far cry from any sort of class analysis, because at bottom, as we've said many times, Manson was simply using these forms of

hippie counterculture as camouflage for essentially a criminal enterprise. And meanwhile, that parasitic capitalist class with its cloverdly, and tentacles all over the apparatus of government and of the media also had at its disposal these intelligence and counterintelligence agencies at the state and federal level, which were used to splinter the counterculture into a thousand pieces, and to borrow a phrase from John F. Kennedy, scatter them into the winds. Recall that was what he said that he wanted to do with the CIA

after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Well, somebody was tearing something into a thousand pieces and scattering it into the winds, but it wasn't JFK. In fact, his skull and brain arguably were, tore into a thousand pieces and scattered into the winds on November 22nd, 1963, in the opening salvo of this not culture war per se, but culture, political, economic war of the rulers against the people that has perhaps been won by those rulers.

And one soldier in that war that we want to give his laurels to, on behalf of the rulers, was a fella whose name may have come up in this series. I'm not sure, but it's a name that comes back again and again in the story of the California countercultural crew, that KKK that we have dubbed in our Maoist American Standard English, talking about Evel Younger. Evel Younger at this time was the Attorney General of the State of California, but he got his start in counterintelligence in the OSS during World War II, in the Burma Front, working with.

those heroin growers and traffickers, well, who were subordinate to, of course, the Generalissimo Changkaishek, a doctrinaire fascist who allied with the Americans against first the Japanese and later against the forces of Mao Zetong. He remained in Air Force counterintelligence. He was in the same unit, in fact, the Office of Special Investigations of the Air Force as old friend of the pod. Our listeners remember Arlen Specter spent the Korean War in that unit as well. And Evel Younger got his generals stripes through rising the ranks, but was also a practicing attorney.

And he became the DA of Los Angeles first, where he oversaw all those Suss Los Angeles cases of the late 60s. Talking Sir Han Surhan trial. Talking the Manson prosecution. That shot him up to the higher position in 1971 to Attorney General of. California, where he had basically a blank check to build the greatest counterintelligence apparatus ever constructed at the state level.

For our pinch on heads out there, you could think of Evel Younger as kind of the inspiration, although perhaps indirectly for the character Brock Vaughn from Vineland, on whom the Sean Penn character, Lockjaw, is based in the movie, one battle after another. So Evel Younger, we mention his name because he's a real stand-in for this hand-in-glove operation of the CIA, of the FBI, the LAPD, and the prosecutorial apparatus of the state of California that was very, much a conspiracy above board, you know, above the surface and open and notorious.

Like younger, if you look at the files on him in the CIA's release documents, you see. He's always in contact with the CIA, and it's in the interests of law enforcement, in the interests of counterterrorism. He was one of the godfathers of counterterrorism. In fact, he wrote a manual on counterterrorism in 1974 that became the blueprint for later iterations of this war on terror that has become sort of the permanent war that is no longer just on terror. It's against drug traffickers, it's whatever. It's an abstract and totally malleable war that can be directed at any force in society deemed enemy. Do you want to know something else about Evel Younger, Dick? Do I ever?

In 1975, he was selected by Jerry Ford to run his campaign in the state of California. He was the guy that set up the fateful tours of California that nearly took our boys' life. And that might be actually a good place to tie it off. I don't think that we can probably pick up in the next one with Squeaky's move. You know, Charlie moves from San Quentin up to Folsom Prison. And now having had her name cleared once again from all criminal charges, Squeaky is a free woman, free to follow her beloved up north even further from San Francisco to Sacramento. And that is sort of the new petri dish in which this new iteration of Squeaky gets her formation. I don't know. Do you have other closing?

thoughts that we should cover here. We're coming over two hours. I think driving the bomb of younger sort of scheduling Jerry's trip, I think that's a good place as I need to stop. Well, in that case, I am Don. I am Dick.

Sayin' farewell. And keep on digging. Don, it's Dick again. Accept the charges. An inmate at Florida Correctional Institution. This call is subject to recording and monitoring. One other thing, folks. I got one other thing. It's something else that's been

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