Fourth Reich Archaeology - #092 - Contra Iran, Part 4

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

As the fake veneer of a “ceasefire” in Iran dissolves under the acid of the truth, we’re back talking about the spectacle of this illegal, undeclared, murderous “war” against the people of I...ran. We unpack the agreement that we’re supposed to believe precluded a civilization-ending super-attack, track how it quickly fell apart thanks to the perennial, serial ceasefire-breaker, Israel. We also discuss the internal dynamics in the administration and make some key predictions about personnel changes and who’s getting thrown under the bus. (Hint: one of them is going to be the guy who farted into a tv microphone.) Finally, we discuss the myth that Iran is a “fanatical,” “irrational,” “rogue” regime. Much of it dates back to the hostage crisis of 1979, but was that really such a crazy move by the newly empowered revolutionary student movement? It’s a packed and hopefully helpful discussion of the war that still threatens to bring the global economy to its knees all because our leaders are insane and evil, serving a ruling class that knows it’s about to have to oversee a fundamental economic shift to automation and is gambling with the lives of millions to test out new methods of violence, surveillance, and control.

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Starting point is 00:00:10 This week, the battle fleet of the world's most powerful nation neared Iranian waters. But their arrival made little difference outside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, an embassy that is now unrecognizable under layers of revolutionary banners and posters. In the name of God, the beneficions are merciful. The hostages are in our hands, and we protect them strongly. And we are ready so that in the case of any military intervention, we will destroy them. The reporters want to know how the hostages are being treated. Instead, they get a lecture.
Starting point is 00:00:53 The CIA had various agents as embassy personnel to each of whom a cover was assigned, so that the true nature of his job would not be exposed. There are at least 400 students inside the embassy. But even after a month, no one can say who they are or who is really in control. Even at press conferences, the mystery is maintained. The students will only answer questions that have been written down beforehand. Questions about their organization or identity they just ignore. We cannot answer any questions about their security measures.
Starting point is 00:01:28 The United States is an imperialist power, and it's one of the characteristics of an imperialist power to plant spy dens and spy networks all over a country to control all its major political, social, economical systems. and to control these systems for its own benefits. So they work for its own profits. They exploited our natural resources. They exploited our oil.
Starting point is 00:01:59 But are you really saying that the people that you have taken prisoner that you're holding in this building are responsible for that in a way? No, we don't say that the people directly, the system, the United States imperialist system is responsible for this. The hostages here, okay, they were just people handling the thing.
Starting point is 00:02:15 We don't say that these hostages are innocent, no. They were the people through which these crimes, many of them have been done. And yet they bring... But they're still hostages, aren't they? I mean, they were diplomats and they're now hostages. Well, what does that have to... I mean... I mean, that is the basis, if you like, of international anger.
Starting point is 00:02:34 But what about the crimes? The international law, that international law has been broken. What about international law in the case of the crimes that the Shah committed? In the case of 60,000 martyrs we gave in this country. In case of 100,000 handicapped people we gave in this country. The Shah turned this country into a ruin. And of course, do the American people, do the Western people know this? No.
Starting point is 00:02:59 And of course they don't understand then what happens. Colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a disson. decision to make. It's one huge complex or combine. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. And this international power structure is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world
Starting point is 00:03:49 and exploit them of their natural resources. We found no evidence of conspiracy, foreign or domestic, the one of the one. domestic, the Warren Commission, the science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever. I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to require information, which showed that there were two wars going. His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders the more easy victims of a big lie than a small one.
Starting point is 00:04:27 For example, we're the CIA. Now, he has a mom. He knows so long as die. Freedom can never be secured. It usually takes a national crisis. Freedom can never be secure. Pro Harbor. A lot of killers.
Starting point is 00:04:42 You get a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? This is a day. I'm not much. This is Fourth Reich Archaeology. I'm Dick. And I'm Don. Welcome back, everyone.
Starting point is 00:05:08 And hello, this is our show. This week we're coming back at you with another installment of our ongoing series, Contra Iran. Before we get into it, really quickly, right at the top of the hour, as always, we want to do our preliminaries, which is to say, thank you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you to everybody who supports us on Patreon. Thank you to everybody who has been spreading the word about this podcast. You can find us on social media, on Twitter, on Instagram, at Fourth Reich Pod, and you can write us.
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Starting point is 00:07:07 There is no huge production crew behind us. We don't have producers. We don't have ad people. We don't have a marketing team. It's just Don and I. And we are working our darned us to get this program off the ground. We're on a shoestring budget. And we're doing this part time.
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Starting point is 00:08:03 please consider heading on over to patreon.com slash forthright archaeology and giving us some money. Yeah, and I would just add that we're also doing this because we believe, listener, in you. We really believe that whatever analysis we're able to apport to your understanding of the world will better equip you to intervene in this absolutely in time. tolerable set of material conditions in which we find ourselves and equip you to spread the word, spread knowledge among your community, right? We're not really doing this for our own enjoyment, although we do enjoy it, of course, but really it's in its deepest intent, an educational project and one that we
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Starting point is 00:09:29 We will be doing this just the same. That's right. It's a no pressure situation. As we always say, right, there's other causes for sure that need your money more than our podcast. But that being said, if I think there is some risk involved here, we could get fired if word gets out that we're doing communist adjutop in our spare time. Or maybe even on the clock. Yeah, or maybe if we get jailed, right, because of the way things are shaking out with this administration, it would not surprise me if someday soon they come after the noided folks in the United States. But really, again, the financial contributions, it's really to see how far we can take this thing.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Don and I have big aspirations for what the future may have about how we're going to expand this project, all the other things we want to do. all the other content we want to bring to you, and the only way we can do that is through your support. Let's get on with it. Let's get on to today's episode. Yes. So today we are back with Contra Iran, as you said, Dick. And, you know, we're not coming into this with a big historical excavation. We did that in part one of this series. if you've not listened to it, suggest checking that out for sure, because it is always, of course, important. And being practitioners or aspirants to practice the immortal science of dialectical historical materialism, it is our oxygen that we breathe the historical context in everything that we see.
Starting point is 00:11:24 You cannot reach an understanding of the research. world and of current events and of what's happening in the world without understanding how on earth we got here this is the origin of the archaeology metaphor in our show title indeed so we covered that in part one and ever since then really parts two and three of this series have followed up on that context built up on that context and brought our analysis to the present day and we are just going to continue here today with more of the same, because as is want to happen, the events continue apace. Seemingly, they're both moving forward the events on the ground, but also circling around
Starting point is 00:12:17 and kind of spiraling and seeming to not materially advance, at least in terms of ending this war slash illegal invasion, whatever you want to call it. Self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head by the United States. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Calling it a war implies almost that there are two equally culpable combatants that started it, but here there's no doubt whatsoever that this was a war of choice by the United States on really not even a well-fabricated pretense. It was a false pretense that was transparently false from the jump. And indeed, as we covered in part two of
Starting point is 00:13:12 contra Iran, even the explanations for the initial invasion by the U.S. and Israel were jumping all over the place in the early days. And there's never really been a coherent rationale put forward as there was in the Iraq War, right, where you had the case made by Colin Powell at the UN that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. You know, here the allegation that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons was much more vague, much more non-specific, and much, I mean, even though the, evidence was fabricated in the case of Iraq. Here, they didn't even bother going through the rigmarole of fabricating evidence. They simply said so. And, you know, based on almost two and a half years of Israeli genocide going uninterrupted by the so-called global community, the United States and Israel
Starting point is 00:14:19 felt correctly, as it were, that they could just go ahead and do whatever the fuck they wanted without making real meaningful excuses for their actions and their aggression. And now, all these weeks later, here we are maybe in the seventh week, I think, sixth or seventh week, recording here on April the 14th in the morning, we should say, just after midnight, Eastern time on April 14th, because shit does tend to hit. the fan on a daily basis and these news cycles do tend to run pretty rapidly. So it's important to note like where exactly we are in time because the events very well could be eclipsed, you know, even before this episode comes out. But suffice it to say that the acquiescence of
Starting point is 00:15:16 the global community that perhaps stood by or at least stood aside from the aggressive initiation of this war have now started to come around to opposing it, whether you're talking about the Pope or whether you're talking about some of the traditional European allies of the United States, the chorus of voices speaking out in opposition is growing, and the flailing of the dying empire is becoming ever more violent, ever more. irrational and ever more detached from any cognizable objectives or strategic considerations. Like there's just really, you know, you can listen to the pundits on TV, sit around all day, and try to make sense of what's happening.
Starting point is 00:16:16 But I think any objective observer will conclude after listening for a little bit that no, there's actually there isn't a coherent case here. This is incoherence in action. This is the death pangs of a dying empire. And we simply hope that by understanding kind of how that's happening, that, you know, our listeners will be able to make a little bit of sense out of what really is nonsensical. Yeah, there's no coherence to any of this. And you know, you mentioned how this thing started. And I think you're right. It's been about seven weeks. I think last week I said this is like watching the worst possible improv show because it's just been the United States in Israel doing yes and for like the last two years. And it's been, you know, the last seven weeks have really been
Starting point is 00:17:18 that. And how this thing started, if you guys can recall going back a few. months now. I think one of the key things we said, one of the key things the United States said early on was that the United States is going into Iran because we knew that Israel was going to go in and we wanted to be there for that. And then of course we backtracked and we said, well, no, that's not why we're going in. But there really has not been a coherent plan from the get-go. The best of the best of we can do is say, you know, we're doing it because they're doing it. And the best they can do is say they're doing it because we're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you know, Netanyahu and Trump, not exactly paragon's of rationality and coherence, even under normal circumstances.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Okay. So where are we today? I mean, it seems like every day is just another opportunity for the United States to just have egg all over itself. You know, you wake up and there is some blowhard comment coming from the administration about how tough we are and how rough we're going to be. And then by the time noon rolls around, by the time 1 p.m. rolls around, it's just a full-on fall flat on your face situation where, for example, the most recent thing is this idea of a blockade. And the United States for some reason feels compelled to have its own naval blockade. cut off the Persian Gulf. And lo and behold, within hours of the announcement of this blockade, you find that there are actually ships going through, ships from China, ships from Iran, going to, through the
Starting point is 00:19:09 Strait of Hormuz, through the Persian Gulf. And yet again, showing the utter ineptitude, the utter failure for the amazing. government to say something truthful. Yeah, it does seem like an inability at this point. Like just a constitutional incapacity to speak the truth, to say anything that's not completely made up and actually the opposite of what's really happening. Okay, but before we get any further, let me say the magic words. Let's get digging.
Starting point is 00:19:50 The bad news is that we have not reached the degree. And I think that's bad news for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America. We've made very clear what our red lines are. The simple fact is that we need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon, and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon. That is the core goal of the President of the United States, and that's what we've tried to achieve through these negotiations. Yeah, obviously we were talking to the President consistently. consistently. I don't know how many times we talk to them, a half dozen times, a dozen times.
Starting point is 00:20:38 You know, I don't like to say this. We've won this. This war has been won. It's not a close battle. They're totally defeated. Hi, everyone. Dick here talking to you from post-production. And I just wanted to give you a quick update because we did record this episode. earlier this week before the 10-day ceasefire that was announced today, Thursday, April 16th, 2006. So that's right. A 10-day ceasefire was announced by U.S. President Donald Trump, agreed to by Lebanon and Israel, and that started at midnight local time. Now, the Israeli and Lebanese governments have agreed to the ceasefire following more than a month of vicious attacks by Israel on the country of Lebanon. Nearly 2,200 people in Lebanon have been killed by the Israelis.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Now, Mr. Trump is inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Lebanese President Joseph Aoun to the White House for direct talks. coming soon. And meanwhile, today, Pakistan's army chief met with Iranian officials in Tehran and is seemingly in a bid to extend the separate ceasefire between Israel, the U.S. and Iran. Now, with that update out of the way, I'm going to kick it over to Don to set the table for today. Take it away, Don. Remember in part three, we recorded on the eve of Trump's deadline, right? The threat to destroy the civilization of Iran to basically nuke the country or otherwise launch a devastating series of attacks on civilian infrastructure and commit all kinds of war crimes, atrocities, slaughters, and massacres.
Starting point is 00:23:00 By the way, let the record show, I did not think we were going to get to the point of a whole out nuclear war. And I admit that I was very, I was on the fence by the end of it. I think my conversation with you, Don, had me second guessing my position that there was just no way a bomb would be dropped like that in this day and age. And of course, Trump's truth, what is it, truth social post about a civilization. Civilization will end today. Did he say a civilization or a great civilization? Because it would be funny if he said a great civilization. I don't think he called it great.
Starting point is 00:23:42 I think he just said a civilization. But when he did that, I was like, oh, damn. Maybe I was wrong and maybe we're about to see some shit go down. But it never happened. Yeah. And obviously, I'm glad you were right about that dick. if I was being a little bit more pessimistic about the prospects for Trump to pull out all the stops and go full, full on King Lear insane.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Right, but it was all bluster. It was all bluster. And what happened was it came down to the wire, right? Remember Trump said by like 8 p.m. tonight if the Iranians don't come to the table or open up the straight of Hormuz were going to destroy their civilization. whatever. And then there was a ceasefire, an agreement in principle to hold off this unchecked aggression for two weeks so that the Iranians and the Americans can sit at the negotiating table and see if they can hammer out a deal to end this war. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:53 And what I was kind of thinking as that day progressed, you know, glued to the fucking phone. and part of that is actually falling into the trap. Like, it's hard to balance, right? Like, this is just a non-substantive point, but more of like a procedural observation about how this spectacle of this war has us all acting. It's like the utter powerlessness that the spectator is, cast with that we are just meant to watch and see what happens without any say whatsoever it is
Starting point is 00:25:40 deliberately i think maddening for all of us especially those of us who are opposed to this to have to simply react to whatever they throw at us and sit there and see what's going to happen and try to make predictions all of which are at the end of the day like in vain because nothing that we say or do is going to affect the outcome or the thinking of these utter psychotics that are holding the nuclear codes. But as I was observing it that day, you know, backing down from they're actually going to do it, I began to think, you know, what is what is Trump's MO here? It's always seems to be to basically back down. to whatever the status quo ante was, whatever the prevailing conditions before the tantrum were,
Starting point is 00:26:37 and then declare that as a win. And I think that is how I view what this fake ceasefire agreement really was, right? Like, it was, you know, put out a bunch of bullshit about what Iran agreed to that basically matches whatever the conditions prevailing were before the invasion, i.e., the Strait of Hormuz is open to commercial traffic. And that's it, right? Like, this straight that was open before we launched this war is going to be open again. And we're just going to pause for a couple of weeks.
Starting point is 00:27:18 But even that was fake from the jump, right? Yeah, yeah, because it's a whole new world, baby. It's a whole new world. And I guess to take one from Pete Higgsett's book, the United States fucked around and they found out because the straight of Hormuz is not open for business, at least not to anyone who is disrespectful to the Iranian people. Right. And it's important to point out why? Because as with any ceasefire in the Middle East, you know that there is one country that no matter where the ceasefire is, it seems, will find a way
Starting point is 00:28:00 to break it and especially break it by murdering civilians, killing a bunch of children, and just lashing out like an utter fucking basket case. I'm talking, of course, about the Zionist entity, the state of Israel, which before the ink had dried on the ceasefire, before the tweet had sent on the ceasefire, as it were, had unleashed unprecedented devastation in Lebanon in the matter of a few hours, just leveling whole city blocks. I mean, the degree of the attacks that they were undertaking were insane. Like, I was looking right before we started recording at the numbers, the death toll in Lebanon from Israeli strikes, just since March, second, so we're talking like the last month since this Iran war has been going on, is over
Starting point is 00:29:03 2,000 killed and over 6,500 wounded, including over 165 children, 40,000 housing units destroyed. Like, imagine, just imagine, that's, I mean, to do the old American thing, Right, like that's almost the equivalent of a 9-11 right there, assuming that the death count doesn't increase with all of those wounded casualties there. It's like if you look at the images of Beirut and the images from southern Lebanon and just the hubris of this regime that under the shadow of this ceasefire lashes out like. out like crazy. I mean, for me, and I'm curious on your take about this, Dick, but from where I'm sitting, like, there is absolutely no way that this was, as the administration claimed, and as many, many of the media outlets covering it, sort of accepted uncritically, there's no way that this was a case of a mistake, of a misunderstanding. Like, you saw all these U.S. officials going and
Starting point is 00:30:25 saying, well, Israel was under the understanding, and actually we were too, that Lebanon wasn't covered by the ceasefire deal. Like bull fucking shit. I call bullshit on that. How about you? Yeah. You remember we were texting when this was happening and like the ceasefire comes out. And I think the first thing I said to you was like, I wonder if Israel's going to continue. It's bullshit. And I think your response was like 100%. Yeah. And lo and behold, it reminds me of that conversation we were having off air about the sort of old heads and international relations as states as rational actors. The guy we were talking about was Kenneth Waltz, this sort of old school scholar on nuclear disarmament on international relations, the sort of the guy of the last 50 years or so.
Starting point is 00:31:21 passed away in 2013 or 2014. But his whole thing was like states are rational actors on the international stage. Their whole purpose, the very foundational truth on any state, on any regime is self-preservation. So no state is going to go out and do something that is suicidal. That is like going to their whole point of their existence is self-preservation. and there are these rational actors. And this is his starting point to a lot of his discussions were around the idea of like Iran should have the bomb and they should have nuclear power because it would bring stability to the region or whatever. And we were talking, we were like, yeah, you know, this idea that like Iran is this irrational sort of wild card in the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:32:18 there really is no historical backing to that when you think about it as like a state actor right there isn't much in terms of a historical record of like the offensive attacks that it has done as a state actor and really nothing that would sort of jeopardize itself in its existence right as like a regime and we were sort of talking through it and like the idea of like how the united states or is Israel will frame Iran up as this like radical, irrational, erratic country that is going to destroy the world, right? And when we were talking, we're like, okay, well, actually, if we're thinking of like irrational, erratic, uh, wild card countries in the Middle East, I can only think of one these days. 100%. And also, I mean, the whole framework, too, is kind of bogus because it's like rational compared to what.
Starting point is 00:33:26 You know, I think back to what is a piece of evidence that could be leveled against Iran in making the case that it is a basket case, that it is an irrational fanatical theocracy as all of the U.S. policymakers and U.S. media too, right? I think we have to keep the media on the hook to the same extent as we do the actual politicians that are lying through their teeth to us every single day because the media largely let those lies come through unquestioned or at least take the foundation of the lies and pass that on even if they maybe make some tweaks around the edges. But the example that I'm thinking of is taking the hot. hostages in the Islamic Revolution at the U.S. Embassy back in 1979. And you've even seen, I saw the other day, one of the former hostages come out of the woodwork
Starting point is 00:34:29 to actually make this case that I was there over 400 days and I can tell you that these are fanatical mullahs and they're crazy and they won't stop at anything to get their Sharia law in the world stage or whatever the fuck. But the hostage crisis in 1979 came after 26 years of dictatorship propped up by the United States, you know, after having overthrown the government democratically elected of Mossadegh. And don't forget, don't forget, the whole basis of storming the embassy, of the Iranian students, storming the embassy that led to this hostage crisis. These students were doing that to see if they could get documents, if they could get evidence
Starting point is 00:35:25 of the CIA meddling in world affairs and especially in Iranian affairs. But what they wanted was some evidence that they could show to the world and say, hey, look, this is what the United States has done to our poor country for the last 50 years. And this is what United States has done to the world. and, you know, these sweet summer children thought that by doing that the world would believe them and say, okay, this is, this is, you know, fucked up in the United States should face some sort of repercussion for this. Obviously, things didn't work out that way, but the, like the entire basis of the, what was, you know, ended up being the so-called hostage crisis was, as you say, the result of 50, 60, 100,
Starting point is 00:36:12 years of meddling into Iranian affairs. Yeah, and not to bring us too far afield, but I think it is interesting to point out because it's an event that probably many of our listeners will be much less familiar with than the taking of hostages in the U.S. embassy in Tehran. But during the internment of those hostages in Tehran, the U.S.-backed right-wing dictatorship of Guatemala on January 31st, 1980, actually set fire, besieged and then set fire to the embassy of Spain in Guatemala City and murdered 37 people, including Spanish foreign diplomats in the country. And so, you know, this is just another sort of notch in the tally of how rationally do states really act, you know, whenever you hear about national interests and governments pursuing
Starting point is 00:37:19 their interests and, oh, this is in this country's interest, but not that country's interest, the reason why we push back so forcefully on that framing, which is remains a dominant framing in discourse, in political discourse, is because it simply is not borne out by the facts. Like, is that a rational thing to do for the United States and for its client dictatorship in Guatemala during this genocidal civil war that was going on there at the very same time. Guatemala and security forces, that by the way, were also trained by Israel. So, you know, big picture here, I think the point that we're trying to illustrate is all of this stuff has its context.
Starting point is 00:38:11 and very little of it corresponds to a sort of academic narrative that is rolled out to explain away the atrocities largely carried out by powerful countries that have the ability to enforce their will upon the rest of the world. and, you know, breaking that stranglehold over the political discourse is something that still has not been achieved and something that, you know, drop in the ocean, right? But that's part of our goal here with Fourth Reich archaeology is to simply point the finger at these fucking inveterate liars and call them on their bullshit. And so the ceasefire was one particularly egregious form of bullshit that, You know, obviously it broke down in very large part because of this Israeli aggression on Lebanon, which, I mean, if the U.S. actually didn't know about it, you know, that's somebody in the U.S. knew about it, I think. But even if they didn't know about it, it's not any better for the U.S. that their client state is undertaking war crimes and mass atrocities without permission from their, their imperial sponsor. And at the same time, it looks very bad if the imperial sponsor is making these commitments
Starting point is 00:39:42 while also allowing its dog off the leash to go and wreak havoc on the allies of Iran in Lebanon. The last point I want to make about that is the degree to which, once again, the media narrative has parroted And yes, I listened again to the daily podcast, which good fucking God. I mean, if you want to get your blood pressure up in the morning, if you want to start your day off angry, pop that shit on. Because I think it was today, you know, Monday, the 13th episode that they were talking about this. And never once suggested that the Israeli assaults, which, you know, we see it on. on film are leveling full-ass apartment buildings and residential city blocks in the capital of the country, the New York Times never once frames that as anything but an attack on
Starting point is 00:40:48 Hezbollah. And not only an attack on Hezbollah, but a counter-attack on Hezbollah because, as the New York Times insists, Hezbollah is the one that piggybacked off of the invasion of Iran by launching strikes on Israel such that all of Israel's actions against Lebanon, against the people of Lebanon, are cast in the mold of self-defense, which, I mean, could not be farther from the truth. Obviously, Israel is attempting to conquer territory, to eliminate its enemies, to inflict mass casualties and to sow exactly the type of instability, of chaos, that will scuttle negotiations, scuttle the possibility for peace for an agreement, a long-term solution, because Israel, irrationally, right?
Starting point is 00:41:55 not in any sort of self-interest that we would recognize as legitimate, wants to balkanize Iran and make life essentially horrific for everybody. But if 5% prospered under the Shah, I think Israel would like to see that reduced to like 3 or 2%. And, you know, if they're the... Reza Polavi sign carrying diasporoids even better. Totally, totally. The vision is exactly what we see in the UAE or in any of the other Gulf countries, right?
Starting point is 00:42:41 Where you have facially this line that the state is apolitical. Anytime you hear that coming out of the Middle East, you should alarm bells should be ringing. and in reality it is as you say maybe 1% maybe 5% of the populace living in opulence lavish wealth of course there are folks there that are working the machine of capitalism they are working in finance and law in banking all that stuff keeping the engine humming and then there's shit going down like you know slave labor from indivism Indonesia from India, from Pakistan, and you have folks in these Gulf countries that are living literally as indentured servants or slaves. Yeah, I mean, look at Israel. It's an apartheid society,
Starting point is 00:43:42 an apartheid genocidal regime, and that's the vision. They want every place to be some form of apartheid of exploitation, kind of combining the best of all those worlds, right? If you can mix apartheid and slavery with a highly technological mechanism for surveillance and control, that is the dream. That's the objective. And it's not even, like, there are probably people listening and thinking that you're, like, exaggerating or this is hyperbole. They literally have passed the death.
Starting point is 00:44:20 penalty for the opposition, right? It's like, it's like a situation where, you know, if you are opposed to the status quo, if you are a member of the other, you can get killed by the state legally. Yeah. And their politicians walk around wearing noose pins on their lapels. Like, that is not healthy. That is not sane. Yeah, it's disgusting behavior. Golden nooses. And then like, I saw that when they passed, the law passed with it. And this law is, what is it? Palestinians can be, Palestinians can be given, executed by the state. And I think it's even like this ex post facto thing where the Palestinians in prison right now could even fall under it. And when the law passed, these motherfuckers are drinking champagne, you know?
Starting point is 00:45:18 Yeah. That's not right. It's sick. That is not right. It's utterly sick. But at the same time, to suggest, again, and this is kind of a horse that we've beaten quite a bit, and it may be deceased already, so at risk of beating the dead horse here, it's again worth pointing out that the United States, by allowing Israel to take the lead, to pursue its insane objectives with a blank check from Washington is not, is not an example of Israel simply exercising control over the United States at gunpoint or, you know, by force or coercion. Certainly they have some coercive arrows in the quiver, right? They have the so-called what do they call it, the Samson option or the nuclear first strike? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there, it's like China and other countries have made clear that they will not tolerate
Starting point is 00:46:36 in Israeli nuclear first strike on Iran. And so basically that is suicide for the entire global economy. and the United States could simply cut off the spigot to Israel and could co-sign all of the indictments pending against Israel's leaders in the International Criminal Court, in the International Court of Justice, and participate in all of these institutions, these international institutions that were set up after World War II to actually bring world peace or bring at least some set of norms and expectations to the global
Starting point is 00:47:27 community in furtherance of the end of the day world order that skews towards capitalism and would therefore be in the U.S. national interest. It's the cravenness of the leaders of the U.S., not the fact that the fact that the fact that that they're blackmailed, but the fact that there's something in it for them. And the reason why there's something in it for them is because there's a lot in it for their domestic backers, and you need look no further than the Silicon Valley ghouls behind the throne. Your Peter Teals, your Palmer Luckies of Anderrill, your Alex Carp of Palantir, to a man, these guys are rabid Zionists. Why? Because, like we just said, Israel has a very clear vision of the future,
Starting point is 00:48:28 a hellscape vision, to be sure, an apartheid vision, a racist vision, a genocidal vision. But that's what these guys want to. That's what these guys want to. And they've bet all their fucking chips on that outcome. Because if it doesn't happen, then the alternative for them, for their whole ilk, for their whole industry is the same ruin and imprisonment that awaits the likes of Netanyahu if the world can get its shit together and actually hold him and anybody else of his co-conspirators to account. That's exactly right. You mentioned, okay, so coming back on track, you mentioned beating a dead horse, and for some
Starting point is 00:49:10 reason that reminded me of J.D. Vance. And so I think we should come back and talk to him, talk about. him first of all man what a glow-up this guy has had I'm putting it out there I'm putting it out there I'm not sure if the internet has been talking about this but this motherfucker is on Ozempic right that's what's going on he's got the face just look at his jowls yeah yeah that was I think I'm quoting I think a text that you sent me like, have you seen, have you seen J.D.'s jowls lately? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:57 He's lost weight. He got a little thinner and I'm looking for, I'm looking for a heavy set gentleman and now I find a perfect, a perfect looking specimen. And he's doing a great job and he's working on the deal, right? How's that moving? Is it okay? The big deal? You see it happening? So if it doesn't happen, I'm blaming J.D. Vince. If it does happen, I'm taking full credit. Yeah, he's got the Ozzymp face.
Starting point is 00:50:27 And look, no shade to anyone out there that's on those, what are the GLP-1s or whatever it's called, right? No shade. If you, there's actually a medical purpose for that stuff, right? If you're a pre-diabetic or overweight and you really need to get yourself healthy, fine. but this motherfucker is you know this is part of his drug cocktail now and he's doing it just because the presidential election is coming up it's not too far away right we're we're coming in on two years to the big day and as far as i can tell he's the best shot the republicans have for 28 and this this like negotiation stuff that has
Starting point is 00:51:14 happened. I mean, I don't know how he inserted himself into this, but it just happened, right? And he is, he's the man that went to, it was a Pakistan, right? To bring peace. He's going to be the big peacemaker. And so he led the charge. I don't know how it happened. Yeah. I mean, this is speculation. I have no idea, but it is kind of fun to game it out because on the one hand, And, you know, you do have Tucker Carlson, as we've pointed out, has been hammering Trump and has been hammering this war in general, rightly so, right? I mean, he's not wrong to point out that it's insane, that it's self-defeating, that it's making life worse for Americans.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Like, he's not wrong about any of that stuff. But amidst that narrative that Tucker has been rolling out, at some point he's like, Like, and the, you know, I'm hopeful that J.D. Vance will get in there and we'll, we'll put some order here. And you got to almost wonder if Trump, who's certainly paying attention to what Tucker is saying about him, because, of course, he tweeted like a whole wall of text against Tucker and Alex Jones and Candice Owens. And it's like a, you know, a thousand word truth that he put out about those guys calling them nuts. jobs and whatever other names. But you got to wonder if Trump isn't trying to poison Vance a little bit, to poison his
Starting point is 00:52:55 brand and stain him with the stench of this war. Because, I mean, Trump clearly loathes to be in a worse light than the guy who's supposed to be under him, right? even if he still, I think, entertains a fantasy of running for a third term in 2028, for one. But even if he accepts that, like, Vance is going to be the candidate, he doesn't want him to be a candidate running against Trump's legacy. And so I do think that Trump has an interest in pulling J.D. down into the shit with him so that when he runs in 2028, it will be, you know, he'll be forced to embrace the greatness of Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And JD's statements since his failed, I mean, beyond failed junket to Islamabad, have kind of borne that out. Like I saw even right before recording, he was even defending as a Catholic Trump's attacks against the Pope. and Trump's tweeting of AI images of himself as Jesus Christ. He, you know, resurrecting the dead or whatever. So J.D. is back in the bitch seat big time. Trump is such a broken record on this stuff. He's such a simple sort of mindset that you just have to look at his track record. And what I'm talking about right now is his last vice president, right?
Starting point is 00:54:37 And during the coronavirus pandemic, what did he do? Shit was going south and he brought in Mike Pence to sort of hold the bag on that whole thing. And Sully his name because he didn't want to be the one that was covered in shit. And I still remember like the press conference he gave. Maybe it was one of the first ones where he essentially was like, all right, Mike Pence is going to take care of it. And then he just left. he just left the room and it was pens and that's when he talked about like the private public and private partnership and all that bullshit but 100% agreed that first of all
Starting point is 00:55:20 vance is stupid enough to think that this was an opportunity and so he was like yeah I'm willing to ready and willing to serve but 100% Trump saw this as an opportunity himself to make vance look like absolute shit because things are going sideways and they're going sideways fast. Yeah, and he sent along Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff fucking tweetled dumb and tweeter tweetle dumbass to flank Vance. And if you read the reports, like I suggest, you know, if you haven't seen what's been written about it, it's just so embarrassing. Like these guys show up. It's interesting. It's interesting that it's Kushner and Whitkoff, right? because those are like those are Trump's guys right like that's his son-in-law and
Starting point is 00:56:09 wickoff's like his business partner from way back when right like they're their boys from from from New York right yeah something like that I'm sure that in private he calls them like my jew boys or something like that oh god but exactly like I I wouldn't be surprised if those two were there of course there to do their Tweedled Dean, Tweedledum, dumb, bullshit. But also there as his eyes and ears to see how Vance is doing. For sure. And apparently Vance called Trump, like, double-digit times during the discussions.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Like, he was just pulling out his phone all the time and trying to call Daddy and get his sign off. Like, he came there with no preparation, with no specifics, with no understanding of the stakes, or of Iran's position and with no fucking negotiating authority. So it's like the most unforced error, just humiliation beyond like the diplomatic legitimacy of the U.S., like its position as a serious partner in talks, is not just destroyed vis-à-vis Iran. Like everybody in the world sees this shit and realizes like, Holy shit, you know, if we thought that there was any fucking adults in the room over there, like, there are not.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Because the guys at the other end of the table, the other side of the table on the Iranian side, right? Like Arachee and, what's the other guy that was there? Barre? Is that his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. These guys are heavy hitters. These are serious guys. You know what I mean? These are people that know what they are doing.
Starting point is 00:58:01 They are masters at their game. and if you're coming in Are you selling short Yale law school dick? Jerry Ford's alma mater. I'm selling short J.D. Vance. And you know this better than anyone, Don. We don't sully institutions. We sully people for their actions.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Oh, we sell institutions. Come on. When it comes to Yale, yeah, we'll sell a yell all the time. But what I'm saying is like, you're sending these three knuckleheads to meet with some serious heavy hitters. Of course it's going to go terribly. Of course it's going to go terribly. And it didn't even have to go terrible because even the most basic stuff, right? Because the guys that are there for Iran, they're not putting super controversial stuff out on the table.
Starting point is 00:59:00 It's not anything that like no one's ever heard of. before, right? It's like, give us access to the funds you froze 40 years, 50 years ago, right? Like, stay out of the region. Like, very simple shit, right? Like, they're very much there for diplomatic relations. They're there for this ultimate goal of, like, okay, you'd be good to us and we'll be good to you. And Vance and his team just bungled it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Iran shows up. They have their points that they want, which the year. U.S. had already, in principle, agreed to, and then backtracked on by saying, takes these backsies, Lebanon doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:59:43 You know, and even Aragchi described the discussions with Vance at all in the following way. Quote, maximalism, shifting goalposts, and blockade. Zero lessons learned. Goodwill begets goodwill. enmity begets enmity. You couldn't sum it up any better. These guys walk in there. They have no clue how to get themselves out of this bind.
Starting point is 01:00:16 And so they just keep playing for time, shifting the goal pose and fucking around. And then they come back home, point the finger at the other guys. But anybody with two brain cells to snap together. can see who's lying here. And it's J.D. Vance. It's the American government. It's the U.S. media that continues to carry water for them. Because as we heard in the daily podcast, as we constantly see in these media outlets,
Starting point is 01:00:54 there's an even acknowledged nationalistic bias of, Well, the U.S. is in this war, so that's us, that's me, that's me and you, reader, and therefore, you know, we want to win the war against our enemy, the Iranians. There's nothing objective about it. And, you know, part of that maybe if you want to be like really kind of giving the benefit of the doubt to bend over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt to these media outlets, you could say, well, if they spoke out against the administration, their access would be cut off, they would be jailed, you know, in this free speech crackdown, and they would have their press credentials taken away and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these consequences.
Starting point is 01:01:48 But it's like, so your solution to avoid that is to just parrot lies that get thousands of people killed for no fucking reason and throw the global economy into a tailspin that leads to absolute devastation. I mean, the devastation economically that we're seeing in the U.S. of high gas prices, high food prices, et cetera, et cetera, is a sliver of the economic devastation on the rest of the world because it's not only gas, it's also fertilizers, it's also petrochemicals, It's all of these input to the global supply chain that are also just devastating global food supplies. I mean, there was an episode of Truenon that they were just reading news articles, and a lot of them focused on the effects of this war and of the reductions in commercial traffic through the Strait of
Starting point is 01:02:59 moves on the global south countries. And they're already rationing. They're already suffering hunger as a result of this. So it's like for the media and for the individuals, again, like, yes, the institutions at fault, but these individuals within these media institutions who hitch up their wagons to this crazy horse to continue with the equine metaphor here. and say this is us. And it's this horse's enemies, this insane Trump's enemies, and the enemies of Israel are also
Starting point is 01:03:40 our enemies because we are Americans and we salute the flag or whatever the fuck. Like that is not only infantile and childish mentality, it's also murderous and morally repugnant to continue down that track. Like, wake the fuck up. You are grown people with advanced degrees, earning six figures, pull your head out of your fucking ass, and tell the fucking truth. Stop lying to save this empire. Let it die. And in fact, the more truth you tell, the more swiftly and the more decisively its end will come about. And that's the only. That's the only thing. And that's the only good outcome that could succeed all this devastation. Yeah, slap on a pseudonym, start a podcast, and start talking shit.
Starting point is 01:04:35 It's not that hard. It's not that hard. If we can do it, you can too. Let's take the horse metaphor one step, one more, and talk about the dark horse in this war, which is Iran and the future of the country in the region before we wrap. things up because, God, you could not have planned a better 60 days or however long it's been for the country, right? Like, in January, February, it was supposedly on the brink of a revolution of regime change, and man, just shows you how far the United States has come. Their intervention not only does not create the regime change anymore,
Starting point is 01:05:24 it like entrenches the people in power because what do the Iranian people hate more than their oppressors domestically? They hate the imperialist oppressors. And so now you have Iran as a country that is emboldened, empowered over the last 60 or so days, having shown the American empire, for what it truly is, nothing more than this paper tiger. And what does the future have in store for them? I think, like, we were talking about glow-ups, a whole lot of glow-ups, right?
Starting point is 01:06:04 They are going to be a bigger name in the region and in the hemisphere, in the world, going forward, no doubt. I think the regime is, no doubt, secured for at least another couple of years. and they're, I think, going to show that they're able to rev up their military might. I mean, already they have this military that I think is one of the largest in the world, right? I think certainly a top 20, top 15 maybe even Army, Navy, whatever. But I think they're really going to ratchet that up in the next year or two, and you're going to see that come out. And I think, you know, they will pursue nuclear enrichment and perhaps even get the bomb. And they would have a massive gallery in the global community cheering them on in that pursuit, too, right?
Starting point is 01:07:07 Like, you say that they're entrenched with the domestic population. They absolutely are. Of course their popularity is going up. you know, I don't know if you saw those Lego AI videos, the music videos. Oh, totally. Yeah. Our inbox is flooded with Americans saying they don't watch the news. They listen to our songs instead. Since your media is full of shit, let's keep it a hundred and talk reality.
Starting point is 01:07:38 5,000 years of Persian soul of poetry and light. You sold nuclear threat to every camera in sight. But I lead it to nukes of haram. I wreck it clear. The real atomic arsenal? Tel Aviv, my dear. The I-E-A-A in the building, they've been watching the file. Israel's undeclared, warheads stacked up mile by mile.
Starting point is 01:07:54 You weaponized the fear of Iran to fund the machine. Why A-PAC lobby Congress and pocketed your team. Why soldiers bleed for BB's dream. Your son-in-law cash $2 billion from the Saudi regime, Khrushner. Your lobby chain is tight as choking out the globe while your son is trading stocks inside his velvet road. Barron, barren, barren, bear in way. So many others like that, you know, who aren't in this sort of lunatic fringe of either the M.E.K. supporters or the Pahlavi monarchist restorationists, you know, that represents an negligible number of human beings. The much bigger number are people who see things for what they are, who see, you know, judge them by their enemies. The enemies of Iran are the genocidal terrorist Israeli regime and the horrifically bungling American empire.
Starting point is 01:09:09 The global oppressors. Of course, it's easy. Yeah. Yeah. And we should say as far as we can tell, right? Because from our vantage point, it seems absolutely true that it is the MECs and the Palavi supporters, they are the fringes and that the majority of the Iranians in Iran seem to, at least for now, really.
Starting point is 01:09:33 want Iran to show its strength to the world stage. And so that's, I think, from our point of view, and I think that it's worth saying, because I'm sure people will disagree. I would like to see evidence to the contrary. I haven't seen any, but, you know, for the listeners out there, we should make that. Yeah, but it's, and it's not even just Iranians that are watching and judging.
Starting point is 01:09:59 It's also the Europeans. It's also the Chinese. it's these other growing industrial powers like there's always kind of an ambient bonus to be earned by a government that can stand up to and exact concessions from the global hegemon right there's something pathetic about the toady governments your palaus right that those like little island nations that the only ones voting with the U.S. and Israel to reject the Zionism is racism, UN resolution or whatever the fuck. But now you see it in Europe, you know, you see it with Spain that's getting closer to China
Starting point is 01:10:50 and France that is openly talking shit about Trump. And even the UK, I saw what's his name? Fucking Starmer. Yeah, fuck. care cares yeah starmer the storm trooper himself you know and that guy yeah the tides are turning the most amoral striver piece of shit imaginable like that guy his finger is just up in the wind he's not leading anything he is following the tides and that is itself an indication that like the credibility gap between the U.S. and Iran, with Iran having the better end of it, something that,
Starting point is 01:11:39 again, the media is loathe to admit. Like, they will never say that shit out loud, that Iran has earned the world's respect for its stance against imperialist aggression. Something that, you know, Saddam never really got, right? And it kind of, it kind of, kind of goes to the degree to which the Iranian government in the last, you know, 47 years since the Islamic Revolution, although of course not starting in 1979, but building on the economic power of the country, both from its geographic position, but also from its, you know, dedication to education, right? There's so much domestic industry in Iran, domestic, you know, brain power, besides just industrial power. It's something that is a force to be reckoned with,
Starting point is 01:12:49 not only in the region, but like you said, Dick, you know, once the, once the dust settles on this thing, I think is inevitably going to be a much bigger player on the global stage beyond just the Middle East because there's no way that the toothpaste can get back into the tube. Or the horse back into the barn. I don't know. On the enrichment question, I think that it's worth reading in some of this statement from Arachie. Sure. So he goes, enrichment is our right under international law, and whether we choose to exercise it is our business alone. For years we've been told, you have no right to enrich. Enrichment must be zero. Why? Because we're concerned, they say. If you're concerned, we're prepared to address that.
Starting point is 01:13:46 Have questions? We'll answer them. Is trust lacking? We'll build it. But no one has the right to say, you cannot have this because we don't want you to. This is the heart of our resolve. We have stood firm in defense of our own rights. Enrichment matters, but what matters even more is demonstrating that the Islamic Republic of Iran takes orders from no one and submits to no domination. If there are doubts about the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program, we are ready to answer them. The only path forward is diplomacy.
Starting point is 01:14:22 every other path has been tried and has led nowhere. Negotiations will only succeed when the rights of the Iranian people are recognized and respected, not granted, because our rights are already legitimate in and of themselves. What we ask is simply that they be respected. That's some based shit right there. I mean, you cannot take issue with anything in that statement. like again we said it in the last episode it bears repeating iran has been a party to the nuclear non-pluriferation treaty iran has opened its doors to weapons inspectors there have been documented cases of
Starting point is 01:15:11 israeli misinformation casting false aspersions on the iranian nuclear program to accuse use it of building a weapon when it wasn't. The Ayatollah issued a fatwa against the construction of nuclear weapons way back in 2010. The JCPOA during the Obama years was the strongest prevention measure against Iranian nuclear armament, and Trump blew it up. And of course, by contrast, Israel sitting there just nearby, the same neighborhood there of countries, not a party to the non-proliferation treaty with a nuclear program that refuses to acknowledge its nuclear weapons publicly and whose nuclear program the U.S. has supported from day one, you know, all the way back to James Jesus Angleton of the CIA,
Starting point is 01:16:19 who, by the way, was not Jewish, even if he was a very, very vehement Zionist. Once again, ask yourself why, not because he's in the pocket of big Jew, not because he's being blackmailed, because he loves the idea of a nation state, an ethno-religious nation state that coheres around ideology that is diametrically opposed to communism in his day, right? And that is a bulwark against the incursion of any power that might be an enemy to the U.S., to the global flows of commercial traffic, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 01:17:12 And, you know, now with that picture being what it is, with Israel having showed its willingness to use its arsenal to commit genocide, I don't know that there's any moral case to be made against Iran developing a nuclear weapon. And yet, you know, apparently with J.D. Vance and these failed negotiations, the shifting goalpost was that the U.S. reverted its position to zero enrichment, not for energy purposes, not for weapons purposes, because there's this sort of memeified reality in the minds of all of these fucking psychos that any level of enrichment is inevitably a slippery slope to a nuclear weapon. And in turn, a nuclear weapon is inevitably a slippery slope to a unilateral first nuclear strike against Israel to wipe it off the face of the map. Like, this is... It's a crazy thing. It's a crazy thing when you think about how many nuclear warheads are just fucking loose in the former Soviet countries. And like, if Iran really wanted to, they could just go out in the black market and buy one.
Starting point is 01:18:34 That's like, that's ultimately the thing that it's like, I don't buy this. It's like, if they wanted to do that, they would have done that already. Yeah. I think that these people just don't have a fucking clue. And what's really incredible is that this whole chain of command exists, like the biggest military by far in the world, plus all the contractors. plus all of the military industrial complex participants who are, you know, supposed to be in the room intercoursing and dialoguing with the policymakers to ensure
Starting point is 01:19:16 that the so-called national interest is pursued rationally. And like, this is what they've come up with. It's not like any of them checked out for sure. you know, don't forget Trump did fire a bunch of generals. Okay. Yes, he fired a couple of dozen tops. He didn't fire hundreds of generals. There's still thousands more where that came from. And not a single one of these fucking bitch ass pieces of shit, jingled jangling down the fucking hallways with their little medals, walking like they got to stick up their ass, making themselves. look bigger than their five foot eight inch frame wearing lifts. Hey, hey.
Starting point is 01:20:04 You know? We love our short kings. We do. We do love them. We do love them. Especially when they don't try to overcompensate by going out and killing people. The ones that do that, you know, we don't love them that much. We love our short kings that don't try to kill people to make up for it.
Starting point is 01:20:27 but you know what I'm saying like hell yeah it goes to the paper tiger but it's like a paper tiger is not even the apt metaphor here because it's not that it's promising a lot and is unable to deliver it's that like there's so much inertia there's so much institutional momentum that there's no ability like there's no check there's no choke point in the chain of command between an insane president who's surrounded himself with these flunky yes-men pieces of dog shit half of whom are either mental defectives or have some real substance abuse problem and the mass murder of innocence and the utter devastation of the entire global economy. And, you know, I was listening to the farm podcast earlier today and recluse over there
Starting point is 01:21:38 had a pretty interesting analysis. It was a couple weeks ago, I think, talking about how this could be steered to kind of control demolition of the old Cold War heavy artillery-based military industrial complex in favor of the Palantir's New Army paradigm where you have drones, AI, surveillance, smart war, quote unquote, and that kind of shit. And, you know, there's something compelling about it. I don't know that those guys are sane and effective enough to actually get that goal done. And I certainly don't think that they have shown any signs. Like they've largely, like I was saying before, hitched their wagons up to Trump as well.
Starting point is 01:22:36 You know, you see all these guys, Sean McGuire, Mark Andresen, they're still out there saying, you know, we're rooting for the USA. say, like this flag-waving rah-rah bullshit that is not really compatible with the idea that they're going to try and throw Trump off the train, throw Israel under the bus, and install J.D. Vance as the technocratic overlord to rein in the Teal Reich after, you know, Trump, his brand deteriorates. I don't think that that's a realistic scenario. I think that these guys think that they can kick the can down the road for long enough and make things bad enough that they will be turned to as the source of a solution to rebuild out of the rubble.
Starting point is 01:23:32 And that is where, you know, I think we should focus some attention as we see all this bullshit play out, all this horrific. And I mean, we have a laugh on the pod, but like, don't get us wrong. This is not light stuff. Like, it's so fucked up what's going on. It's beyond fucked. And if those guys get the job of rebuilding out of the rubble, which, again, maybe it's unlikely because somebody who's not an American will hopefully be holding the keys to the post-war paradigm.
Starting point is 01:24:15 But if they do, we're even more fucked than we are right now because they're even more insane. And it's just Skynet Terminator time. Like there's no stop in them. What do you say we bring this horse to water? We can bring it to water. we can't make it drink what's the saying I guess what's the idiom lay this horse down bring the horse down
Starting point is 01:24:41 I think take the horse to water let's put this one to rest let's look this gift horse in the mouth just pull out all your horse metaphors here I guess it is apt like beating the dead horse though right like it reminds me of Nietzsche as well yeah yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:25:01 Farewell, I'll be to say good night. I hate to go and leave this pretty sight. I think you covered the long-term sort of what's on the horizon very, very well. I just want to put it on record right now. We're giving Pete Hexeth, what, till June, July before his ass is fired? Because that's coming. Oh, I'm glad you're remembered, yeah. That's coming. And I want to put it on the record that like it's like we said, like this Trump guy, he's got a very short list of behaviors of things that he does.
Starting point is 01:25:47 And one of the things he does is when things go south, he looks for the fall guy. And unfortunately for Hogshead, that's him. He's the man. And I'm going to add Tulsi to the list of heads is going to roll. I think neither one of those guys. makes it to the to the 4th of July in the administration not saying that they're going to be right right make that clear right yeah totally they're getting fired from their jobs that's it totally going to be alive although Pete might drink himself to death after that this is my hope But I really, I would love to see a Joe McCarthy future for peak hog sex. Just utter cirrhosis, quick onset. Like, with, you know, he works himself up to a full bottle of scotch per day as our friend, the senator from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy, did after being ignominiously thrust out of the Senate.
Starting point is 01:26:56 I mean, he's already not doing well. I mean, I heard that fart. all heard that fart. That that fart is from a diet of strictly a diet of scotch and rib-eye steaks. Good morning. A guy hasn't taken a shit in six weeks. Right, exactly. He's not doing so great. Okay, well, that's our show, folks.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Join us next week where we will no doubt be covering some other wild and crazy topic. Maybe it's going to be about Iran. Maybe it'll be about something else. Until next week, I'm Dick. I'm Don. Saying farewell. And keep on digging. Here we can't have you,
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