Fourth Reich Archaeology - #112 - JewAnon w/ Bro. Isaac (Side A)

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

Brother Isaac is back, and this time he’s with Don to reprise a theme the two of them have already recorded 2 episodes on on Isaac’s podcast, Coexist, Inc. That’s right, it’s the Jewish Question. This time, rather than diving deep on the theoretical approaches that have been taken to the Jewish Question by Marxists of various stripes over the past 200 years or so, we dig into the discursive turf of 2026, where the “blame the Jews” narrative is on the rise.Don and Isaac discuss how this narrative serves as an anticommunist trojan horse, carrying the potential to merge together the reactionary politics of the likes of Tucker Carlson with people of conscience shocked and appalled by Israel’s ongoing genocide in Palestine (and Lebanon, for that matter). We call the episode “JewAnon” because–just like the QAnon narrative that posited the overrepresentation of perverted pedophiles in the upper echelons of power, while adding into the mix a whooooole bunch of batshit crazy bullshit–there is a grain of truth at the core of the most popular forms of the “blame the Jews” narrative. In other words, it IS true that Israel is engaging in daily atrocities with absolute cover from the U.S. government, and without any real consequences on the global stage, but it is not for “the benefit of the Jews” that it is doing so, or exacting global fealty in so doing. Instead, it is for the benefit of a global ruling class hell bent on developing (and testing out!!) new technologies of surveillance and mass slaughter that will absolutely “come home” to be deployed against those of us who dare oppose the Total Control sought by the techno-fascist ruling class. This one went on so long we’re breaking it up on the free feed, but you can get the whole thing on Patreon at: patreon.com/fourthreicharchaeologyAnd subscribe to Isaac’s work at: https://www.patreon.com/cw/u6112951

You make the observation in your book, and you say that you've said it many times when you were president of the United States, that no president is ever going to desert Israel, right? Correct. I put it more bluntly. I said, as I told congressional leaders during the 1973-Yon Kippur War, no American president will let Israel go down the two. Democrat or Republicans, it's not a nation. That is stated fairly categorically, and yet in your book you make it clear at the same time, that Israel really is not of any enormous strategic value to the United States anymore.

That's correct. So why then would the United States continue to burden itself with huge loans, in some cases outright grants to the Israelis, jeopardize possibly a young American fighting man, when there is no strategic value involved or little strategic value. Because the United States is concerned by more than strategic values. That's maybe a weakness, but it's the way we are. And there are moral issues involved here.

We don't have an alliance with Israel, as you know, they're not an ally of the United States in a technical sense. But we have a bond to Israel that's much stronger. It's a moral commitment. A moral commitment because what happened during the Holocaust and a moral commitment because it is a democracy, the only democracy in that area. And under the circumstances, that is why

American presidents and the American people in the future will support all out the survival of Israel if its attack. You've always been a very tough, pragmatic man, and I just wonder if you were the president of Israel, and you heard Richard Nixon talking that way, or for that matter heard any sitting American president talk that way, and say that there's really no strategic value anymore. How much faith would you place in that kind of a moral commitment if push really came to show? If I were the President of Israel, I put a great deal of faith in it because of the track record of the United States, and also because he would know that that is the way the American people are. There is no doubt whatever of our commitment to Israel.

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Jewish question. Now, those of you who follow Brother Isaac might know that he and I have already recorded a couple of different Jewish question episodes that were published over there on coexisting. You should check those out as well as Isaac's very eclectic and fascinating back catalog of podcast episodes. I think that it is useful. to recap briefly here a little bit of what Isaac and I have covered in those episodes, although of course the best way to recap that content if you've not yet consumed it is to head on over to coexist Inc and check it out, but I'll give you the 10,000 foot view and the very compressed version. So really what we set out to do was when,

this notion of the Jewish question made its way back into the discourse. You know, the Trump 2.0, remember that part of the appeal to right-wing Chuds who voted for and promulgated the Trump 2.0 campaign leading up to the 2024 election were people who wanted the fetters taken off of their ability to say slurs. Remember the perceived excesses of wokeness that were just making life so difficult for cis heterosexual white men who wanted nothing more than to be able to, you know, use forbidden words, to speak forbidden thoughts, and to break those all-repressive social taboos of language that constrained them in the one area of life where they faced some restraints on their freedom.

Now, I'm oversimplifying, of course, but you get the idea, and I think that it shouldn't be a controversial position to say that the discussion the openness of discussion about all kinds of racial groups, the use of race science as a framework for discourse has made an alarming comeback in general. And part of that does include the references to the Jewish question, to whether it's perceived as a Jewish race, a Jewish ethnicity, or just a good old-fashioned religious group, you know, the Jews are in the spotlight once again,

and for many reasons that some of which are very bad reasons attributable, of course, to the state of Israel. Anyways, Isaac and I jumped off at this question by digging deep into the Marxist, sort of historical materialist lens upon the Jewish question. So in our first Jewish question episode, we talked about Marx's essay on the Jewish question, one of his earlier writings, of course. And we also talked about Lenin's speeches on the Jewish question, which were gathered by an American communist, translated into English in that heyday of American communism in the 1930s. And so we discussed the content of their sort of theoretical approaches. And to paraphrase those very quickly, Marx's essay is, again, one of his early writings. So this was published before Capitol, before the science of

dialectical historical materialism had really come into its own in Marx's thought and writings. And it is very much a product of the context in which it arose. And that context was Marx is engaged in a public debate with a fellow by the name of Bruno Bauer over religious and political rights and sort of what is the role of religious groups, particularly minority religions like the Jews in the sort of revolutionary or even just liberal bourgeois revolutionary society. And Bauer had argued that Jews should renounce their separate identity in order to form a part of this liberal body politic, to be equal with all men in a sort of liberal political order where everybody is recognized as equal and that there can be no notion of the chosen

people which of course is associated with Judaism and was associated with Judaism especially in 19th century Germany and Marx pushed back on this not from a Jewish nationalist perspective at all but instead to argue that once again, the primary concern, the primary sort of social line to be monitored is the class line. And so socioeconomic categories to Marx proceed and supersede religious subgroups. And in that sort of hierarchy of identity categories, Jews do not need to either abandon their Judaism or their religious belief or their, you know, tribal identity, their group identity, their cultural identity, nor do they need to satisfy themselves with just equal political rights in the sort of flat way that Bauer prescribes as a liberal, right? So what Mark says is

that Jews should instead prioritize their identity along the class line, their identity as members of the working class, and to join in solidarity with their co-members of the working class, with their comrades, and to suppress only to the extent necessary to prioritize class identity their sub-identity in the pursuit of class struggle. In other words, to Marx, the emancipation of Jews as a group can only be achieved by the emancipation of the entire working class and indeed the whole of humanity from the repressive strictures of the capitalist mode of production.

So it's a theoretical point of view of. view and it's one that's deeply rooted in the context of the Germany of the day. Lenin puts a little bit more of a fine point on the question in his speeches on the Jewish question with, of course, the benefit of another 50 years or so after Marx's writing, which includes the benefit of Marx's publication of capital and the other texts comprising the dialectical materialist methodology of Marxism. And what Lenin says is more directly addressed to the working class and to the Communist Party vanguard. And Lenin decries in his writings, in his speeches, the use of sort of divide and conquer anti-Semitism by the Russian ruling class.

That was something that was common among the Tsarist regime, of course, to sort of vent off steam among the Kulaks by permitting them to engage in these pogromes to take out their rage rather than against the Tsarist forces, against the Jews and against the Stettles, right? And so for Lenin, it's a very practical approach to identifying anti-Semitism as a tool of the ruling class to divide and conquer the working class in pursuit of control, in pursuit of the control requisite for the exploitation of labor. in our second discussion in my second discussion with isaac we still stuck with a bit of theory we updated yet again to later in the 20th century to jean paul saut as a anti-semit and jew written i believe in 1944 in paris so this is in the middle of the second world war in the middle of the period where the Nazi anti-Semitism had really spread across Europe, including, of course, Tevici France, and resulted in the deportation to labor and death camps of Jews from all over Europe. And what Sautch emphasizes what we sort of focused on in Salkt's work was how he abstracts the Jewish question

to a social relationship. And in that process of abstraction, Isaac and I discuss how really you can see what Sartre is discussing and describing as the anti-Semite is really just the fascist. It is a person who is mediocre, who is in need of a scapegoat to blame for his own inadequacy, somebody who's looking for social cohesion on the basis of exclusion of the other, right? This just boils down. You can kind of take it one more level of abstraction to your run-of-the-mill fascist whose ire can be directed one day at the Jew, one day at blacks, one day at immigrants, whatever. the principle of a sort of mass of people looking for this populist direction to fasten their rage upon some external object, well, that's something that we think could apply to any number of groups.

And of course, has been mobilized against different groups besides just Jews throughout the 20th century. And now we're revisiting the question again. So before turning to our conversation, maybe just a very quick word about why I think we get into about why, but just to kind of preface this by saying, no, this is not a discussion prioritizing Jewish feelings. We're not here to wring our hands about rising anti-Semitism. No, we are doing this because as anti-fascists, as communists, we observe amongst our own sort of discursive circles an anti-communist Trojan horse being built under the banner of what we refer to as the blame the Jews narrative.

And this not only opens the door into the fascist maga-coucou. to people disgusted by the Democrats indefensible and insane locks-step support for the state of Israel, but also this Trojan horse threatens to divide up left-wing opposition amongst itself one more time, even more than it already is, by introducing, once again, this specter of ethno-religious hatred and the sort of logic of racialism and of racism that is so noxious to any political movement, to any politics. And it's also a timely discussion, considering that we are on the verge of the 25th anniversary of 9-11. And one of the favorite narratives being rolled out this time around seems to be that it was primarily Israel responsible for

or that knew about 9-11 in advance and either, you know, let it happen on purpose or failed to tell the poor United States intelligence community about it, resulting in all those American deaths. And, you know, there's the same sort of narrative around the war in Iran, which is evidently disastrous, of course. and so to absolve the United States for this utterly stupid and criminal military endeavor, we hear a lot of people out there saying this is Israel's war. Israel is embroiling the United States in this war against American interests. So Isaac and I will talk about what is meant by that and sort of what to make of that proposition. And, you know, finally, just why brother, Isaac. Well, if anybody out here is listening, spends any time on Twitter or Instagram, you'll

see that Brother Isaac has taken it upon himself to sort of push back against a lot of the discourses being deployed here in this Blame the Jews narrative. It's a hapless task, and we want to give him a chance to speak his peace as to why he chooses to engage. in what seems like a real fruitless and uphill battle there. This episode, we're dubbing it Jewanon because just like the QAnon obsession with, you know, pedophiles in high places and real evil rot at the core of the American deep state, you know, the blame the Jews narrative too has this grain of truth, not to say that quote unquote Jews, or Jewish people as a group are to blame for war crimes or for America's foreign policy,

we unpack a lot of that nuance in the episode, or at least try to. But rather, you know, there is, of course, this American apparent subservience to Israel, which does appear illogical, and the crimes of Israel are certainly open, notorious, despicable and disgusting to anyone with a conscience. And so it is disturbing, right? And it does create this seed of frustration of rage in the rational observer who sees all of this influence that this truly evil ethno state of Israel has, not only over the United States, but over the entire world, it seems.

And so, you know, it's hard not to, like the followers of the Q&on conspiracy theory, plunge deep into the depths of madness in pursuit of this grain of truth. And so really that's what we are trying to assist our listeners in avoiding with this discussion. And we hope that you'll enjoy it. Now, without any further ado, let's get digging. You need not be a Jew to be a Zion. Because the connection between the Israeli people and the American people is bone deep. The number one enemy to the people in Israel are American Jews that do not support Israel and do not support Maga.

Okay, Maga and the Evangelical Christian. and the traditional Catholics in this country have Israel's back. They have the Jews back. The biggest single enemy to the Jewish people are not the Islamic supremacists. The biggest enemy you have is inside the wire. Progressive Jewish billionaires that are funding all this stuff. They are the number one enemy, and the people in Israel have to have to have to set that right. This is why we had to oppose Trump, because Trump is being skin-suited by,

the Jews. The best way to think of it is that he is literally a Trojan horse. And you can literally see Stephen Miller and Ben Shapiro and Jared Kushner and Howard Lutnik licking their fucking chops. They are standing behind him, rubbing their hands together, smirking evilly with wicked intent. I mean, I don't own the country, but I'm a shareholder in the country. I'm an American. And you can't use my country like some kind of disposable products. Like you just can't. I mean, BB's running around. This is a fact.

I'm not guessing about this. Because I've talked to people he said it to is running around the Middle East, his region and his own country and telling people, point blank, just stating it, I control the United States. I control Donald Trump. He's saying that, I'm an American. You can't treat. It's too humiliating.

I can't handle that. Brother Isaac, welcome back to Fourth Reich Archaeology. It's great to have you, my friend. Shalom. It's good to be here. Shalom. Before we start, I must ask you, are you circumcised? What are we dealing with?

I was, but then I grew back. Oh, wow. That's a miracle of God. Talmudic scholars will debate the significance for a millennia to come. Technically, technically, Abraham never had the covenant with God. he stole his slaves foreskins, right? Am I getting that right? Or his wife, through the

slaves' foreskins. It depends on which version. Am I making that up? Which volume of the Talmud are you referring to here? The abridged version. Ah, the only one that I would ever deign to take off the show. The one that I found on

4chan, I think, is the most accurate one. Or so they say. See, I'm waiting for the Candice Owens edited, abridged edition. to come out. I'm waiting for Anna Paulina Luna to tell me the book of Enoch. The Talmudic book of Enoch. Well, as the listener will know by now, this is yet another Jewish question discussion

between your two boys here. And this time we are putting it on Fourth Reich archaeology in the first instance. We've had a couple of these already. I will have recapped them. in the episode intro. But I think before we really dig into it, I thought that it would be helpful to lay down some first principles here about the issues swirling around what we have dubbed the Jewish question.

Because really, this stuff is not hard, actually. The more that I think about it, the actually easier. it gets to analyze and digest sort of what's going on and what is a morally defensible, ideologically coherent point of view on all of these issues. So I'll just kind of go down the list, Isaac, and then maybe you can chime in or you can take some more of your own. And then we'll get into sort of why are we doing this now and go through our set of exam. that we have been passing back and forth over the past few days. How does that sound?

Sounds beautiful. Okay. So I think that the first and the most obvious point to make, which should really be uncontroversial for anybody who has paid any attention whatsoever to the Middle East and to U.S. policy in the Middle East and to the Israeli genocide in Palestine and now elsewhere, as well. The first point is that Israel, the Zionist entity, is a settler colonial project of the ruling class. And as such, right, it is a reflection of a colonial era built on the racist, white supremacist

domination of the entire world by the European powers, a torch which was passed to the United States in the 20th century and it's something that should be opposed and as people who are on the left you know communist as i identify uh should oppose it no qualms there i got nothing to i got no bones to pick with any of that by the same token i think we can safely say that ethno nationalism in any form it takes is bad full stop so that means that there should not be a quote unquote Jewish state in Palestine, there should be a democracy or if, you know, if we are dedicated to the concept of self-determination and democracy, that is incompatible with having a Jewish state and apartheid state that privileges people based on their status as Jews in

that territory, right? Absolutely. So that means, you know, we oppose. U.S. support for Israel. We support boycotting, divesting from, and sanctioning Israel, and ultimately believe that all of the war criminals, whether they be Israeli or American or of any other nationality who have been involved in with responsibility for the genocide and the slew of other war crimes carried out by Israel, all of those people should be held accountable under international law, they should be prosecuted. There should be some sort of an international tribunal, some sort of a reconciliation process, which should include, you know, massive, massive reparations to the victims, the multiple generations of victims of this ongoing long-term genocidal project.

And I wouldn't limit that just to Israel-Palestine. I think that, you know, the genocidal force of Western colonialism is a global phenomenon and if we are to have any justice in the world you know we need to confront this on all fronts yes what does the Talmud have to say about the death penalty I'm sure it's in favor something about oxes being gourd yeah it's probably in favor of it right this is one time I think I will say I will agree with the Talmud okay like I am in principle opposed to the death penalty okay but that's for civilians and I think that war criminals cease to be civilians. I think there's probably some legal arguments there, right?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it's not something for today necessarily. I think maybe we could do a whole death penalty episode at some future date. But my views on the death penalty have changed from sort of an absolutist abolitionist point of view to actually providing critical support. Under certain circumstances, you know, I don't think that there's any doubt about the susceptibility of people calling for and actually executing genocide.

You know, those people like the perpetrators of the Nazi Holocaust should be strung up and even more so than the Nazis who pulled strings, no pun intended. with their imperial friends in high places to get off the Schneid, you know, the number of Nazi war criminals that have escaped. We've talked about at length here. Yeah. Was it Goering who died in an Italian villa?

Mangala died peacefully in a farm in Brazil in his 80s? Yeah. I mean, so many of them. Obviously, like, I think Martin Borman, you know, there's some debate, but I think it's highly likely that he lived out his entire life. I mean, just so, so many from the very high profile. You know, Reich's finance minister Yalmar Schacht, Reinhardt Gaelin, and all of the SS men that he recruited into his CIA Gaelin org. You know, the numbers are in the thousands of SS members and officers that escaped prosecution.

in order to help the allies fight Bolshevism after the war. So it's certainly something that we should learn from in history and not let that happen again. Speaking of Nazis, Israel, which is the topic at hand today, right? What's the difference this time you think? And what Jewish questions are we asking today that we are we repeating ourselves? I know I get criticized by asking these questions or pointing these kinds of things out. People give me a hard time when I push back in the slightest against what I perceive to be.

I hate the word anti-Semitism. I prefer almost just to call it anti-communism, but this is how it manifests. Yeah, I mean, it's all over the news lately, right? like it's back with a vengeance, you know, whether we're talking about the insufferable fucking 24-hour news cycle about Hassan Piker and the media trying to throw the 2026 midterm elections back to the Republicans as, you know, on the premise that all of these Democrat campaigns are somehow infected with anti-Semitism as a result of a civil. with Hassan Piker, who is allegedly, according to all of these talking heads, some kind of a raging anti-Semite or Abdul El-Sayyad, the Senate candidate in Michigan,

they're just sort of dusting off the old Muslim radical extremist terrorism playbook from 2003, it seems, or 2001 even. and just going for it all over again. And I think it's evergreen. How dare you be Muslim? How dare you be a Muslim mayor on 9-11? Who the fuck who you think you are? Yeah, exactly. Or like, yeah, in the case of fucking Mamdani, right,

he was probably a teenager on 9-11. Yeah, where were you, Momdani? Where were you on 9-11? Yeah. So I think that confluence of, the bringing back the accusations of anti-Semitism once again. Not that they ever really went away, but that combined with the 25th anniversary of 9-11 and just the continued

seeming slide into this, you know, I think one feature of politics today is there's a political value perceived, and it's probably real, in breaking taboos for the sake of breaking taboos. And that builds off of Trump's 2016 electoral victory where, you know, you had Trump, really giving a master class in those debates with 15 Republicans or whatever in the primaries of just calling their bullshit and breaking the taboo of respectability. in politics and now the new taboo that is in vogue to break is I think calling out the Jews. It's at least one taboo that people are using and deploying as a new purity test. Like, oh, are you really anti-system?

Because if you're not willing to call out the Jews, then you know, you're just a tool of the Jews. At the same time, there's this absolution campaign for the U.S. Empire that is casting Israel in this Svengali role of Oz-like, you know, pulling the strings behind the curtain of the U.S. Empire and everything bad that the U.S. does is actually Israel's fault. And, you know, all these things they've been around. Everything that's bad throughout history is somehow Israel's fault. And that's the thing I've been trying to push against. And I'm shocked by the amount of ostensible leftists who can't seem to make that distinction. I'm very disturbed by it. Yeah. So you are in these trenches on the internet and you're taking a lot of flack. Maybe you could just

talk a little bit about sort of what are some of the threads that you've seen and picked up on and give some of these examples so that we can have a concrete jumping off point to discuss. I'm going to plug myself really quickly here. I interviewed Dan Bilzerian just a couple of months ago in Daytona Beach where he began his run for the 6th District of Florida against the pig-faced Zionist himself, Randy. fine and Dan Bilzeran ran on an explicitly

I hate Jews campaign I mean he when I visited him in this hotel in Daytona after our interview his campaign manager wherever the hell it was said we got to stop we got to go out in the balcony and check this out and what we saw

streaking across the ocean was a prop jet towing a banner that said fight or end Jewish supremacy vote Bill Zer And he was like, oh, cool. I was just like, oh my God.

And I kept hearing this word from him, Jewish supremacy. And you watch the interview, and we can kind of talk about some of the themes here in the Bilzerian interview that we've seen across the internet. But he lost, which is a shame. I would have actually preferred the Jew-hating Dan Bilzerian over Randy Fine. so if I could have voted for him I would have literally voted for Dan Bilzerian Talk about a race to the bottom

But no Randy Fine beat him Pretty resoundingly I want to say I think Bill Zerian garnered maybe 19% of the vote Which is still significant But it wasn't

It wasn't really close And he didn't run a very serious campaign Besides creating AI songs about the fat Jew. I don't know if you saw any of those where... Oh, no. Yeah, it's this... It's some AI slop song that he created as a campaign video against Randy Fine.

And one of the lyrics is something along the lines of maybe we should revisit the ideas of that famous Australian painter. So like... Australia? He said Australian? No, sorry, Austrian. Oh, okay. It would be funny if the AI just like hallucinated Hitler as an Australian. Might as well be.

So Dan Bilsarian lost after running an explicitly like not anti-Israel but anti-Jewish campaign. And then for the governor we had James Fishback who was also, he wasn't as explicitly anti-Jewish or whatever race. I mean, he was more racist towards black people than he. he was Jews because he was running against this guy named Byron Donald's, who he would refer to as Byron and call him ghetto. It was really gross, and he was, like, just putting out red meat for the Groypers, thinking that that would create some turnout, but I don't think he seriously ran that campaign either. Also, there's that famous clip of James Fishback just, I think, like, less than two years ago debating the Zionist destiny and out Zionist, and out Zionism

Zionisming destiny and defending the rights of Israel. And then like a year later, he would go on to run this campaign that was using the pro-Palestinian fervor to his benefit. And of course, these people never talk about Palestine anymore. Have you noticed that in this conversation about Israel, Palestine is no longer referred to? Yeah, it's amazing. It's actually amazing. They are trying to exploit and take advantage. of the fact that everybody has seen the horrors of a live stream genocide and rightfully and

righteously are being moved to indignation by those images and by the U.S.'s support of it and by, you know, the control over our Congress by APEC and all the rest of it, right? All of that is the grain of truth at the heart of all of this. But now you're right. It's like there's no mention of Palestinians. And that's because to these people who are fundamentally racist, the Palestinians aren't real human beings anyways. And they're just a tool.

Right. And it's the same with Iran. I mean, I think they're even less sympathetic towards the Iranians than they were towards the Palestinians because I don't think there's as much political capital in that. or at least like empathetic capital that has clearly been used to sheepdog people into what is explicit anti-communism and racism. Yeah. So besides this recent Florida primary that was a kind of a, it was a bit of a testing grounds for the electoral viability of anti-Israel, like Jew hatred in the state of Florida, which is a deep. red state. And the fact that both of these James Fishback and Dan Billsarion lost pretty resoundingly,

I mean, again, Bill Zerian actually did better percentage-wise. He lost by fewer points, but I think he only ended up with something like, I want to say, 19,000 votes in the end. And then Fishback, who ran this on the statewide level, I think he only got 120,000 votes, which was I think 10.7% to Byron Donald's, like, 56%. percent, I believe. So even in Florida, Florida, which is a deeply racist state, still preferred the black candidate to the 31-year-old who's actually Jewish. I mean, James Fishback, from what I understand, is Jewish.

Just like Dan Balsarian is 12% Jewish. That's the funny, that's the other fucking funny thing about all this. And maybe we can also get into the, like, Jewish investigation, which I think is a akin to the transvestigation phenomena where everyone throughout history is somehow Jewish. Everything is Jewish throughout history, especially if it's a bad thing. But there are other characters out there I've been noticing in the trenches of the internet. And so maybe there's like a bit of a confirmation bias on my end because I am on I am on Twitter and it's pretty bad there.

But it's really bad on Instagram too. there was actually an article written about meta paying its users who are explicitly neo-Nazi accounts and I've seen this a lot like where you have explicitly racist Nazi accounts who I will report as an exercise to see if they are violating those very nebulous community guidelines that Instagram refuses to actually say what matter will won't tell you what they actually are try and report like an account that has like a lolly swastikas all over it and you'll see they'll say no this doesn't violate our community guidelines somehow but it was exposed recently that meta is paying them it must really put a crimp in the critique of people like professor jiang another favorite in this sort of tilt or pivot towards blame the Jews who I was just watching my friend Marcus of the return of the repressed podcast had sent me this video of Professor Jiang on some bullshit podcast where he's talking about how Mark Zuckerberg is like an agent of the Khabad Lubavich because he went to Harvard at the same time as Jared Kushner years apart and because chat GPT said that that Mark Zuckerberg attended a few events sponsored by the Khabad.

And because apparently there's an anecdote in some article that Mark Zuckerberg's father sought a blessing from Rabbi Schneerson, the, you know, Shabbad Lubavichur Rebbe, the famous guy from New York, right, that all of these particular sect of Orthodox Revere, and his Jiang is just like blowing this up into how Mark Zuckerberg is a Jewish sleeper agent alongside Jared Kushner and that, you know, they did such actions as pushing Chris Christie out of the Trump administration on behalf of this Jewish cabal and all the rest of it,

when, in fact, like, not only is Zuckerberg not religiously observant, like you just said, meta in the age of Musk's X post-Twitter is not at all censoring, or at least doesn't seem to be censoring any speech that is anti-Semitic or, for that matter, anti-Zionist. I think they're turning the dial up. I think that's been the case for quite some time now. And I think meta did it, or not meta, but Twitter did it first with Elon Musk. I think the second Elon Musk bought Twitter, they turned that anti-Semitism dial, that pro-Nazi dial way the fuck up.

Which is curious considering Elon's close ties to the state of Israel. I mean, if you recall, he's been on, you want on that silly visit with Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro to Auschwitz, where he put his his uh his his human shield baby bulletproof vest on his shoulders yeah because he's bulletproof vest on his shoulders yeah um so it's bad and it's getting worse and there are things i'm seeing that i find disturbing and i it's it's not because i'm a jew right i'm not worried about myself because technically i'm not even jewish according to some so uh Thank you, Dad, for marrying a beautiful Shiksa. That's very nice of you.

To spare me of very expensive therapy sessions. But no, you're seeing it's K-Fabe, its entertainments. There's something going on right now where, again, I think that they have just leveled up this dial. And again, I hate saying the word anti-Semitism, and Jew hatred doesn't sound great. I don't know what word I want to use for it exactly. Maybe we just say racism. I don't know. Do you have a preferred term?

What I've been saying is the blame the Jews narrative or the blame the Jews discourse. I think that for me describes not anti-Zionism, which is something that a viewpoint that I subscribe to. I think that just means being against the Zionist project for a Jewish state in Palestine. when you get to the blame the Jews narrative, it broadens the power attributed not only to the state of Israel, but to Jews within the U.S. as well and kind of masks all of these other ideological formations like neoconservatism and American imperialism as predominantly a Jewish project. Which, you know, to be sure, like, you know, it was very funny on your interview with Bill Zerian when he's like, 11 of the 12 top neocons are Jews. It was like, you made a comment like, what the fuck are the top neocons? And it turned out it was just a chat GPT thing.

And Jiang on his thing was also consulting chat GPT. And I think that's another piece of the puzzle to definitely keep. tabs on the degree to which the outsourcing of critical thinking to these fucking chat bots and the degree to which the chat bots will engage in sort of confirmation bias of the user, no matter what they're trying to prove, the natural tendency for the bot is to validate the point of view of the user. And that's something that all of these guys are so uncritically walking right into. Like to say that neocons are predominantly Jewish when Cheney and Rumsfeld, right, the original Dick and Don,

who emerged within first the Nixon administration and then, of course, in our boy Jerry Ford's administration, where they get their foot into the door of power in the first place, Rumsfeld, be, not fooled, right? Some people probably would Jew investigate Rumsfeld and say that he's some kind of a secret Jew. Feld is kind of a Jewish last name.

Like Seinfeld. Yeah. Exactly. He's a fucking German and Dick Cheney is you know, not Jewish at all. He's a reptile. He's a reptilian. And he studied

under, you know, the This Nazi, I think it was when he was at Yale before he dropped out, his favorite professor was a Nazi that had escaped prosecution and made it into U.S. academia, kind of like the alongside some of the other libertarian types of the mid-century German libertarian movement in the U.S. Those two guys, I think, are the scenic quannon of neoconservatism, as is George H.W. Bush, who comes from a long line of American imperialists, of course, his father having worked hand and glove with the Nazis during World War II, Prescott Bush, and his grandfather, George Herbert Walker, was himself a colonialist with massive holdings in the island of Cuba, that he was exploiting slave labor. conditions in order to enrich himself and, you know, then invest in oil and all the rest of it. So like the notion that primarily American imperialism in the 20th century is a Jewish or a Zionist even project is a historical. It's simply not borne out by the facts. And you can name the Douglas Fythes and the Paul Wolfowitz's all you want.

You can name Leo Strauss and Irving Crystal. Irving Crystal, William Crystal. Who is considered by Wikipedia and therefore chat GPT, the Jewish chatbots. I don't know which ones aren't. Anthropics probably Jewish too. I don't know. But yes, they will crown Irving Crystal the philosopher king of the neo-conservative movement that he wrote it and therefore that makes it Jewish.

Yeah, so all this stuff. I mean, I guess to get back to your question, right, like I think when you cross the line into prioritizing or privileging the Jewish identity of your political enemies as the motivating factor behind their nefarious deeds and ideologies, that is when you have crossed this line into the blame the Jewish. what I call the blame the Jews narrative. I don't, you know, I like you shy away from calling it anti-Semitism because you know it's hard to, um, you just don't want to wade into those, those waters where you're already like on enemy territory when you're talking about anti-Semitism

because then it becomes, oh, you're denying the Holocaust. Oh, like, just a can of worms that isn't necessarily opened up when you say, no, what we're talking about is a form of political discourse that points out, you know, beyond the politics of a group of people, the religious or ethnic Jewish identity. Maybe Jewish patsyism, because much like Lee Haram. Harvey Oswald, who was complicit. There are Jews complicit in all this. And I think that's the one thing that...

More than Oswald, for sure. Yeah. And so, I don't know. Yeah, I get frustrated with the term anti-Semitism and Jew hatred just seems like it doesn't feel right in my mouth. Because I don't know. I don't feel like it's something else. And I actually, there was one.

term. We will be reading an article I sent you from the Atlantic and he did come up with a very funny term. I'm excited to read to you. I found on, I think it's his free, I think it's his organizations page, the movement against anti-Zionism. So, yeah, I've been noticing on the internet increasing, increasing Jew-blamingness. I have to find that term. Jew blame. With the 25th anniversary of 9-11 coming up, one thing I am noticing is people not absolving the Saudi connection, but saying that it's not, that emphasizing the Saudi connection to 9-11 is absolving Israel, that Israel should be getting more blame for the 9-11 cover of the 9-11 conspiracy. And so I've been finding some like funny pushback there because I'm actually about to do some

more 9-11 stuff that focuses on the Saudis because the Saudis were here in Sarasota. And as far as I know, there were no, there were actually Israeli art students here and that had to do with the anthrax attacks that would happen after 9-11. There is some very bizarre Israeli connections here in Florida. But the one that I focus on is the one that's gone through court and the one that where we have actual released FOIA documents implicating the Saudi connection to 9-11. But we saw this last year with Tucker where he did his 9-11 series, which wasn't bad. I mean, to have Tucker bringing up these particular subjects that would have been third railed, you know, just five years ago shows just how much things have changed.

But he does a good job of, I think, absolving the CIA and blaming Israel. And you and I, when we did our Tucker episode more than a year ago, I think, maybe almost two years ago, we were emphasizing this very phenomenon, right? That Tucker himself was masquerading as an anti-Zionist, right, as an anti-Israel advocate when in fact is anything but. So we're watching them perfect this. We're watching them get better at this tactic, again, of sheepdogging people to the right, to anti-communism, through these ostensible criticisms of Zionism. You would condemn what Israel's done in Gaza, for example. I don't want to be involved in that. I mean, nearly 20,000 children said to have died.

I don't... Do you condemn it? I think that that is a... By your criteria, you can never... Is it morally justified? That is a calculation that Israel has to make. I don't want to be... have anything to do with that. You have no view?

It's hard to take a lecture from someone who just admitted that he hates Israel in every fiber of his body. I never said that. You said that on the camera. No, no. No, yes, you are. You're not distracting. You're not distracting.

You said, I hate Benjamin Netanyano. No, I didn't. I said I don't think you should be leader anymore. You hate him. Should be leader. With an international hatred that, you know, I don't know, where it comes from, I can't account for what's in your soul, I don't have an x-ray into what's deep inside you. What Israel has done in Gaza, which is ethnic cleansing, which is murdering people

and moving them out because you don't want them there, and by people, people on the basis of bloodline, not even on the basis of religion, this is happening to Christians and Muslims, but they're Arabs, they're Palestinians, and they're being moved out of Gaza and the West Bank and southern Lebanon because Israel wants the land that is ethnic cleansing, it's genocide, it's the definition of genocide. We know that a group of Israeli art students, who clearly were not art students, clearly some of them were aligned with Israeli intelligence, were arrested and held for quite some time in the United States before being released without charges. And we know that a group of them filmed the attacks on 9-11, and I'm quoting, seemed to have foreknowledge of those attacks. Benjamin Net Yahoo, on camera right after, said this is a good thing because it brings the United States into a conflict that we've been involved in on an existential level for decades. I think that the United States government, which is the largest human institution in history,

has been completely hijacked by people who are using the United States for their own purposes, who have no real interest in the United States and its future, who aren't tied to its past, and who are basically just wearing it as a skin suit in order to, who knows what, lots of things. But none of them in the interest of the United States. Yeah, and maybe now is a good time to actually pause and talk about the Jews in the Trump administration and about the actual forces that are bringing to bear on U.S. foreign policy that you could broadly describe as the ultra-Zionist wing of U.S. foreign policy, because there's also this tendency, I think, paint with a broad brush the entire right wing, the entire MAGA phenomenon and the MAGA

cult, and I think it is fair to call it a cult at this point, that we observe these tendencies to turn against Israel and to throw Israel and to an extent the Jews writ large under the bus for all of these disastrous foreign policy decisions. But we shouldn't lose track of the fact that the Trump administration, including many high up members of the Trump administration, are still working in lockstep with Israel and pursuing an extremist genocidal Zionist agenda on behalf of the state of Israel and on behalf of the U.S. financial interests that are deeply interwoven with the state of Israel and its genocidal technological apartheid state project. So you do have guys like,

obviously Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, who is a practicing Orthodox Jew, whose wife Ivanka Trump has purportedly converted to Orthodox Judaism. They observe the Sabbath and turn off their appliances or whatever, according to what they say. Yeah. Ivanka being Jewish for some reason makes me think of when people call Bill Clinton our first black president. Although I don't think there is a mikva that you can go into and when you come out, you're black. Whereas, according to Jewish tradition, Ivanka, she came out the other side. No, he he blew his saxophone on the Apollo stage in Harlem.

That is the black mikva right there. I don't know if it was on the Apollo stage. I think it was on the Arsenio Hall show. And we'll have to consult the rabbinical scholars of blackness as to whether the Arsenio Hall show is the black equivalent of a mikva for a conversion ritual. That's for another day. But yeah, I think that's a pretty funny comparison. It's also funny that Chelsea Clinton is also famously married to a Jewish guy as well.

And I love that Adam Friedland joke being like, Chelsea Clinton's not Jewish. She's just ugly. That's pretty good. Oh, yeah. And then she answered that. Which she should not have done. It would have just, it disappeared into the ether. had she not said anything.

Yeah. But so, okay, so you got Kushner. You've got Steve Whitkoff. Besides being Jewish, both of these guys are also real estate criminals and utter sheisters, right? It's not a ticket to entry into that game to be Jewish, but it is certainly an industry that has a large representation of Jews for materialist reasons dating back. to the early 20th century, the same reason why the Italian mafia has its fingers in a lot of real estate and other sort of ethnic enclaves have used real estate holdings, like even Armenians, right? Like any ethnic group you'll find.

Fucking Mormons, dude. Mormons are some of the biggest landowners in the country. 100%. 100%. So, yes, both of these guys are Jewish. they're also basically crooks and so is Trump. Trump very famously not only is not Jewish but I think is himself pretty anti-Semitic in your classical sense like just your stereotyping Jew jokes sense because it's so charming now by comparison yeah we'll remember even before he ran for president right when I think

the Clinton campaign tried to use the comments against him. him and it just bounced off him like everything does, but he was on tape or in an interview or something saying, like, I like my accountants to be little short guys with glasses wearing yarmacas, you know, it's like you're sort of classic stereotyping Jews as bookish nebishes handling money. And obviously that did not have any political fallout for Trump. and he surrounds himself, you know, you could say with these Jewish guys, but by the same token, you could say he surrounds himself with real estate crooks who know the same game that he does and emerge from the same scene as he does.

His other friend, Tom Barrick, is another guy that comes to mind as part of this triumvirate of New York real estate goons, and he's not Jewish, right? I think Tom Barrick is, I can't remember what is his background, but he also has some ambassadorship or something now. I remember being, when I was a kid and I was, you know, trying to, like, discover my Jewish identity, because I didn't want to be white, you know. I grew up and went to a public school of mostly black kids, and I didn't want to be a white kid.

And so I tried to do a, just don't call me white, you know. I was trying to do that thing and trying to discover myself. And one of the things I would do was I would always try to find a Google like, oh, who's Jewish? Did you ever do that? We're like, oh, this actress is actually Jewish. Well, yeah, and we were kids when Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song came out too. Yeah. So we were, it's funny, we were trying to find Jewish lineage to like be proud of being like, see, Jews can be athletes too.

Jews can be hot actors with muscles as well. And now we're doing the opposite where it's just like, please don't be Jewish. Now we're trying to find people who aren't Jewish. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I just looked it up. Tom Barrick is a Lebanese Christian, by the way.

And he's currently Trump's ambassador to Turkey. Put that one in the bucket. Yeah. Well, there you go. This is what I'm saying. There are these sort of vectors of affiliation and ideological co-mingling. that are not necessarily ethno-religious and have more to do with material circumstances. And I would put Barrick in the same bucket.

And obviously the ambassador to Turkey also has a pretty important role to play in Middle East policy, even if it's not of the same caliber as what Kushner and Whitkoff are doing when they trip over their dicks to try and talk out of both sides of their mouth to the Iranians. A couple more of the Jews that get tossed around in the Trump administration are Howard Lutnik, obviously a piece of shit, you know, nothing good to say about the guy. And Stephen Miller, and I don't know about Lutnik's religious identity, but I know that Stephen Miller never practiced Judaism or really identified as Jewish. Like his uncle has come out and been very vocal about his identity and sort of his role

and everything and how he repudiated the family's Jewish values and upbringing and whatever. So like, yeah, they are Jews by certain metrics, but this reminds me of something we talked about in our last episode on your pod, talking about Sartra and how the category of Jew is actually something that's not determined by the Jews themselves, but determined by the anti-Semites. So, you know, you could point the thing. I mean, now, of course, Stephen Miller likes to wave the Jewish flag and hide behind it and say that he's this proud Jew and whatever, and that, you know, if people talk badly about him, it's on account of his Judaism or whatever, but he's full of shit.

And I'm planning on doing some Jew investigating of Randy Fine himself, the most despicable Zionist in Congress. I have a theory that he's also not Jewish. The same has been said about Laura Lumer. Yes, I was just going to bring that up. Milo Yanopoulos, they're going scorched earth against each other, so we should enjoy that. but he did in an interview clip that came up pointed out that Laura Lumer didn't know how to draw a star of David

she drew a pentagram So yeah how Jewish are you if you like you can't like Like that was the funny thing with Dan Bilsarian When he is talking about Jewish supremacy And he's he's saying that Lenin is Jewish Because he has a single maternal grandparent Who was later discovered to be Jewish Even though Lenin did not know he was Jewish

Did not speak Yiddish in the home Dan Bilzerian is So the same percentage Jewish as Dan Bilzarian I think perhaps yes Are that might be a quarter If you have I couldn't quite figure out the The genealonic tree there

I think if you have a single grandparent That would be 12% right You have both grandparents on one side Or no that would be No it's it's Lennon would be 25% Jewish I guess If he had a single grandparent But still that's also like

There's no this thing as being 25% Jewish. I think that's the other funny thing about this. Like, I'm 12% Jewish. What the fuck does that even mean? You know? The fact that he's like half Armenian is more significant because you might as well be Jewish if you're Armenian in America.

But yeah, with these people who like, God, it's just, it's so frustrating. With these people who come up with... Anyway, I'm losing track of thought out of frustration, right? No, go on. I forgot what we're talking about. Well, we were just talking about the sort of identifying the Trump administration, as well as the mainstream Republican Party, as well as the mainstream Democrat party, for that matter. Right.

So you've got these guys in the administration. They are taking these actions that are obviously favorable to Israel, i.e., continuing U.S. support for Israel, waging the war in Iran, which obviously Netanyahu and the Israeli government are very eager to keep that going. The recent legislation in the National Defense Authorization Act that basically combines the IDF and the U.S. military, and so now you have this line of, well, we're not going to provide military assistance for Israel anymore, but we're just going to like make the IDF part of the U.S. military. Yeah, now we no longer have to do the paperwork.

Which is outrageous and seems to have flown way under the radar. And I think that it also, it definitely gives credence to that whole Zog theory that I think people hold up Mearsheimer's The Israel Lobby book. And I'm a fan of Sean McCarthy, but I think that sometimes I disagree with the framing of this Israeli influence. Because frequently, I'm sure everyone has seen that meme that says, I'm not going to die for Israel. Which is like, it is basically saying that everything that the United States is doing

to Iran, to the rest of the world, is not for the sake of the U.S. elite ruling classes interests. it's for Israel's interest. And again, this is this whole thing. And I think this is what you and I are really trying to emphasize is this absolution of America and capital from this entire equation. And what they're implying by saying,

it's all for Israel. This is only being done on behalf of Israel. I had someone, when I posted that picture of the video of 2003 in Iraq, the soldiers like tied an MRE bag. There's some food to a rope and we're dragging it behind a Humvee and like starving Iraqi children were chasing after it and they're just giggling. And I said like, quick, find a way to make this like the Jews fault. And my only follower's reactions was to post like pictures of Paul Wolfowitz and evidence that

the Iraq war was done on behalf of Israel. And I guess to me that kind of missed the point, right? It was like he said that Israel was pointing its pit bull and letting it do its thing, which again is saying that America is the pit bull and Israel is the owner of the pit bull. And I think maybe a better way to kind of understand this is that there isn't a distinction, right? That American ruling class and Israel's, I guess, more than just their ruling class, they are worse than America. I think. But that's only because maybe they're at the tip of the spear. Maybe you could say the same thing about American settlers in the 17th and 18th century murdering Native Americans. But the idea that Israel is controlling the United States and it's only serving Israeli interests and not the interests of the American ruling class is the one thing I really want people to,

have a better understanding of her, a better frame. Yeah, and here I think you're giving too much credit to this form of analysis in a way that is a very useful window onto what's really going on. So you said, you specifically said that they're saying it's for Israel and not for the American ruling class. And I don't think that that's what these people are actually saying. I don't think that that's what the people that grab on to the Mearsheimer thesis are saying. I think that they are importing wholesale this notion from international relations,

which is a field of academia that is part of the fracturing of political economy into a million pieces so that each academic discipline only looks at one square foot of the elephant and misses the bigger picture, which is class struggle, right, which is the Marxist analysis of class as the decisive factor in the functioning of capitalism, the control of the political system by the ruling class. And that notion from IR, from IR realism, which is Mearsheimer's sort of field, his ideological or academic neighborhood, his sandbox that he's coming out of, is that there's such a thing called national interest that is pursued by the government in the name of the nation abstractly, right? it could be, in the best case, in the interest of the people of the nation. And so I think when these people talk about we are fighting for Israel and not for America's interests, and that's something that you hear as just across-the-board framing of this discussion,

it obscures the fact that there is no such thing as an American national interest, really, because the American government doesn't represent 300 million people and their best well-being. It represents the interest of the ruling class, and so by engaging in this discursive operation, what these people are actually doing is obscuring the class dynamics on a global level. Obviously, capital knows no borders, right? So when you talk about fighting for Israel, what does that mean? Well, some of the companies that we were just talking about, Meda, Elon Musk's companies

like fucking Starlink and Tesla and Cyber Truck and X and whatever else that are supplying, that are serving as military contractors to the state of Israel, which in addition to being a settler colonial outpost in the Middle East, in addition to being that so-called aircraft carrier for the United States and the Middle East is also a proving ground for the technology of mass slaughter and repression for surveillance for all of these nefarious activities that come home constantly to the United States, constantly. You know, the author Australian Jewish anti-Zionist author Anthony Lowenstein has written extensively about this.

I would encourage listeners to check out his work, really talking about the deployment of technology and the way that the Israeli apartheid genocidal regime serves as this experimental laboratory for all kinds of surveillance and military. military technology that serves the interest of the global ruling class as a means of fighting off any threat from the working class, from a revolutionary mass of people that could threaten the stranglehold on power enjoyed by the ruling class. And so that, I think, is at the bottom of what you and I are trying to do with these discussions here really is to put front and center in its rightful place this class analysis, this geopolitical Marxist analysis that views things holistically and sees the rest of the pieces falling into place downstream from the overarching ruling class project not only to colonize

the Middle East and take the oil from Iraq, Iran, wherever, but also to develop and try out and improve and perfect surveillance and repression that are now deployed against a totally dehumanized population, the Palestinians, who the blame the Jews faction, could give two shits about nine times out of ten and um you know those those very same techniques are currently and will continue to be increasingly deployed against us and our brothers and sisters you know most prominently those of us who have already been dehumanized by racism talking about black people talking about immigrants and their allies and supporters and comrades, regardless of race, who speak up and take action in favor of the oppressed against the ruling class.

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