Fourth Reich Archaeology - Fourth Reich Geopolitik 4

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

We're back this week with the fourth installment of our ongoing Geopolitik series. Picking up where we left off, we continue our exploration into the normalization of genocide in the Fourth Reich. Despite the fact that genocide is reviled as one of (if not THE) worst crime against humanity, as we discussed in Part 3 it is hard to remember a time when the United States was not involved in genocidal violence in its relentless quest for global hegemony and imperial domination. This time, we approach the subject through the lens of ideology—specifically, white supremacist and Nazi ideology—and examine the dialectical relationship between genocidal tendencies in American foreign policy and the resurgence of white supremacist ideology within American society. Beginning well before the United States officially became a country, it has always relied on racialized violence in pursuit of economic exploitation, territorial expansion, and eventually the expansion of markets in which to plunder natural resources and discipline masses of workers. We begin our excavation by examining the recent backlash to “DEI” initiatives. We point the finger at the hypocritical weaponization of “anti-racism” discourse to shift the blame for racial inequality and strife away from the economic system and its beneficiaries and onto the subjective beliefs and behaviors of the working class. We then trace how this paradigm teed up the opportunity for the political right to use anti-DEI and anti-woke rhetoric as a trojan horse for laundering Nazi-aligned beliefs into the mainstream. With Trump and his allies practically begging to kick off a constitutional crisis and claim even more dictatorial powers, the danger of this rising tide of American Nazism cannot be overstated.From there, we take a historical turn to analyze the white nationalist immigration policies emerging from the Trump administration, tracing their roots back to the inception of U.S. border policy—which, unsurprisingly, was grounded in deeply entrenched racist attitudes toward Mexicans and other immigrants of color. So pervasive is the Trump administration’s ideological commitment to white supremacy that it has shown a willingness to turn against its own, including judges appointed during Trump’s first term, to push its agenda forward.Throughout our discussion, as always, we bring you our analysis using the one-of-a-kind Fourth Reich Archaeology lens, and once again this episode features some original music from our co-host, Don. The outro song was produced by friend of the pod Compost Ghoul: https://soundcloud.com/compost-ghoulWe remain deeply grateful to our listening audience for your continued encouragement and support. If you’re able, please consider donating to help sustain this project: www.patreon.com/fourthreicharchaeology

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because I think it's just so important to get the word out. And that's right, we're going to do another one of these geopolitic episodes. The last one we did was about genocide, and we largely focused on the, the genocide going on in the world today. But we, and I don't think we really talked about it last time, but this time we're going to sort of dig deep into sort of the origins. Don't you forget, folks, that the premier genocides of the 19th and 18th and 17th century were the Americans, right? We, through the horrors that were met it, upon the Native Americans and the violence that was done upon so many people,

that was really the inspiration to what followed in the 20th century. So even before, I would say, even before the United States was a country, genocide was a part of the blueprint. It's become, nowadays, pretty much the ordinary state of affairs. under this late capitalist imperialist society that we live in. It is advanced and advertised by both sides of the two-party duopoly, right? It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or a Republican. In this day and age, it seems like you would be down with genocide if the price is right

and if the target is correct. That's right. the contingent of people both in the United States and really in the larger Western world, countries who have been responsible for carrying out what we called the successive genocides that have recurred one after the other in sequence ever since the ships sailed that ocean blue, back in 1492 out of Europe into the new world, the normal state of affairs has been mass slaughter, and that is because mass slaughter is itself a highly productive endeavor

from the perspective of capital accumulation. Not only does mass slaughter clear land of its inhabitants for ownership by an exploitative capitalist class, but it also emiserates the masses of toiling people worldwide and forces them to accept the conditions of labor that are imposed upon them by the ruling classes and that's something that we attempted to trace because it's tempting in a certain respect to follow the mainstream and the mainstream says there was only one genocide in the history of the world it was conducted by the Nazis and it was conducted against the Jews and it was conducted because the Nazis had this very special and specific hatred about them, which was particular to their context, to the German experience and ideology,

and to the European relationship over the historical period dating back to the medieval times with the Jews. Of course, we here on Fourth Reich Archaeology know that this is a gross oversimplification, and that while the Nazis certainly were guilty of genocide, not only against the Jews, mind you, but against a number of other groups that we listed off in the last installment of this series, and they took their inspiration, like you just said, Dick, from the, the, American experience, from the British imperial experience, from settler colonial experimentation by the French Empire, by the Belgians, by the Spanish, by just about every European colonial power that had the means to carry out a genocide. Oh, the Dutch, we shan't forget the Dutch. Yeah, we're not going to let the Dutch off easy. That's right. I'll even say it in Dutch, to the Dutch. Fuck you. I'm pretty sure that's how you say fuck you in Dutch. Well, we should be clear. We've got no beef against the Dutch people, right? No, of course not. Of course

not. I love the Dutch masters, you know. I think you're talking about the artist, but I'm going to pretend you're talking about a certain purveyor of fine tobacco products. I think it's a good point, just I don't want to interrupt you, but oftentimes when we get in these lines of discussion, I don't want to confuse anyone. This is a anti-Nazi podcast. We are an anti-fascist podcast. Fuck the Nazis. Fuck Adolf Hitler. Genocide is an awful thing. It's horrific. It's beyond, you couldn't put into words how terrible it is. we are pro mother-in-law here we are pro love and peace and good thoughts and good vibes and truth and justice importantly that's right it's good to get that out of the way because I think sometimes some folks try and you know this the title of our project fourth

rike archaeology in retrospect it's it's gotten well While it is provocative, it lends itself to misinterpretation. Yeah, for now anyways. I mean, well, that's the thing, is that, you know, who knows with the freaks that are going to be the subject of our discussion today, they may very well, you know, put it on your 2025 bingo card, they may recuperate the title of Fourth Reich. proudly apply it to the United States in the Trump 2.0 era because the convergence of the MAGA ideology with Nazi ideology is proceeding at an alarming rate and that's the subject really

of today's installment of Fourth Reich geopolitic, namely ideology. Because as we intimated in the last installment, genocide is best conducted by a firmly and a deeply ideologically committed group of people. So in the case of the Israeli-American genocide against the Palestinians that is ongoing, as we record here, on May the 4th of 2025, those Israelis have been steeped in a virulent settler, colonial ideology that is exterminationist in its objectives the same way that the speaking of the Dutch the Boers in South Africa had a deeply felt ideological commitment to their cause or the

American genocidal proxies in Southeast Asia or in Afghanistan, you know, the imperial powers typically ally with ideological extremists. And we touched a little bit on that the last time, but we're bringing it home in this episode, because the greatest ideological extremists when it comes to exterminationist, white supremacist, racist ideology that propels the cycle of violence that undergirds capital accumulation? Well, that is strongest right here in the greatest country the world has ever known, the most exceptional, the richest, and the biggest, not geographically, but vibes-based, that's right, the United States of America. And while the genocidal undercurrent in American foreign policy and the genocide

white supremacist ideology in American society may at certain periods of time bubble just beneath the surface. I don't think that we'll be surprising anyone to point out that the pot is boiling over here in the year 2025 and all the cards are on the table. Yeah, I think, I mean, just one point, not to belabor the point, but this idea of, I think, what was it you said, that genocide becomes possible when you have a base of people, a group of people within your society that already harbor this ill will towards a certain group. It's when those people embed themselves into the government as either agents, of a military arm of the government or an enforcement arm of the government. In this episode, we'll talk extensively about both local police and ICE and CBP, Custom Border Patrol. It's when that happens that genocide can really, you know, take off as with what's going on in Israel, right? You have these folks that harbor hate, hatred towards a certain group of people.

And those folks happen to be in the Israeli military, right? It's like you don't take that mask off when you put the uniform on. It's with you. Well put. But I think let's just get to it, right? You want to do the honors? Let's get a dig in. Have I offered any one of you, a rent-free home,

In any of these gang neighborhoods, and I said, your neighbors are MS-13 terrorists, or Mexican Mafia, or Sinaloa cartel, or Trained Aragua. I couldn't pay you to live there. These are people who are murderful hires, drug trafficking, sex trafficking. I hate the word migrant, by the way. I don't even want to use it. They're illegal aliens. No, no, they'll have a knife at your throat in two seconds. We also have home drone criminals. are absolute monsters. I'd like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the countries.

And why, do you think there's a special category of person? They're as bad as anybody that comes in. We have bad ones, too. And I'm all for it. So let's do a little bit of a detour, right? Let's start off with something that It's sort of a news headline that's broken. It's just this past week, and the events that have occurred have sort of brought front of mind this idea of anti-D-E-I as this Trojan horse for Nazism.

Don, do you want to maybe take it away here and give us just a little taste of what you're talking about? Yeah, I think before we get into the headlines, just to zoom out and kind of, start from the ground floor here, you know, the Trump administration came into office and from the jump, the major figures within the incoming administration were all using, and even during the campaign, this language of DEI and of wokeism, the woke mind virus, whatever you want to call it as a dog whistle in different degrees. Sometimes it was directed towards particular policies like affirmative action or like the workplace sensitivity, trainings and practices that mushroomed up across the corporate white-collar landscape and to a certain

extent in blue-collar work as well. But it was something that was more associated with the sort of professional class button-down desk jobs or email jobs that were subject to what the resentful group who set their sights against DEI perceived to be a sort of finger-wagging, sanctimonious, moralizing guilt trip against white people. And I think there was a sense throughout that maybe there was something to the critique in as much as there had been excesses, or maybe not so much excesses, as just this patronizing liberal attitude that ultimately amounts to a sort of social micromanagement by capital of the working class. And I think whereas it was once hotly contested on the political

left as to the merits of these measures and it was even taboo during a certain period of time to take issue with anything using the label of anti-racist. I think that now it's not even controversial to point out the utter hypocrisy of the degree to which, what passed for anti-racism was really a misdirection operation. You could even say that it was a massive propaganda maneuver or a sci-op to absolve the economic system, its billionaire beneficiaries, and racial capitalism. and the capitalist origins of racism and to pin the blame within the subjectivity of the individual.

And luckily, I think the left has evolved after seeing some of the liberal hypocrisy on this, which I think we're going to discuss a little bit later. but at the time the debate really focused around these cartoonish examples, right? Robin DiAngelo with a white fragility book, this white woman that's lecturing other white people about how they need to feel guilty about being white. That was the standard way that it was articulated, but it was really all the wide. a Trojan horse for this utterly racist ideological content that was, you know, while you said one thing

that you're against DEI, what you're really saying is that the opposite of DEI, which was always in the framing of these people, meritocracy. that meritocracy rationally placed whites at the top and everybody else underneath. And that that was the natural order of things and that any alteration in that natural order was some kind of an artificial social engineering project designed to impose from without an equality of opportunity or an equitable distribution of opportunities that disadvantaged white people as a group. Right. This idea of meritocracy is hilarious because it's like what you're basically saying is let's get

away, let's get rid of these DEI initiatives. Let's get rid of all of these things we've done to take away the headwinds of past harms. And let's get back to just everyone starts off where they start. off and you just have nothing but what you are able to do on your own, which totally ignores the fact that for, you know, a disproportionate number of a certain race, they start on maybe the fourth or fifth rung of the five, ten rung ladder, while others are probably, you know, still at the first rung, and that's the starting point, right? It's ignoring Yeah, or the latter is on top of their chest.

Yeah, exactly. It ignores what the starting point is for so many millions of Americans, right? It ignores the fact that so many millions of Americans are just one generation, two generations, away from horrors being meted out on their families, on their property, on their persons. And it's like, it's almost like, I mean, it is. visionist history, right? It's totally ignoring that when it's saying that the goal is to do away with these initiatives because they're essentially harmful against white people, right? And this argument of quote unquote reverse discrimination or reverse racism. Yeah. It's effective because it's based on defensiveness. It's based on

you know, not, it is based on a certain fragility and a sense of ego that says, and we all have it, that I am where I am, I have what I have because I deserve it, because I earned it, or, you know, I was born into privilege because my forebearers earned it for me and they worked harder than somebody else's forebearers or whatever the case may be. But it all comes down to a justification that's deeply felt at the subjective level for your position in society. And that's something that is very effective on a mass scale when deployed as propaganda. and as a result it spins off this whole backwards reasoning chain where if I deserve to be where I am

as a white person and my forebearers got what they did by working the hardest and by being deserving and by being meritocratic and earning their place then all of the skulls that they step on to get there must not have worked as hard or must not have deserved it or whatever and you end up justifying things like the enslavement of millions of people or the brutal exploitation and the criminal expropriation and theft of land right all of this historical baggage that we as Americans were born into or were born with becomes something that to the anti-woke it's either all good or it means I'm evil and because I'm not evil then it must be all good. It's a real solipsistic circular logic and it eats away at a person's capacity for rational thinking, in fact.

And that may be a problem that has no solution in the most pessimistic view of it. I don't know that there is one because it's so deeply rooted. and the limited amount of conversations I've had with people that meet this description, it doesn't seem to be something that's susceptible to critical thinking. If bosses just wages, we'll be, we're kind of, we're kind of. together You drive out Hey

Oh yeah company's brand He's taking the stand fabricating supply For all read this book You're telling me

See a paid consultant Explain how racism It's just a failure to follow As you sit through their point-tie, quantificating you will not hear their speech invocating the system of which they were part

because it's divide and conquer again they made an inch of your wagons to them their platitudes won't solve a problem No, they won't... Let's fast forward to 2025. Let's see, let's check in on the... Let's do a couple of these headlines, right?

Yeah. So the big one this week was the incident at, hey, no better place to dole out some racism than a children's playground. And a woman by the name of Shiloh Hendry, gets into an altercation with a child, basically, right? Because her child was, I don't know, there was a little bit of a scuffle between her kid and another kid, a black kid. It goes without saying Shiloh Hendrick and her kid are white.

But there's a scuffle, and then Shiloh, just. starts screaming the N-word at the child. Yeah, so this is what's amazing about it, is that that part of it wasn't caught on tape. What happened was another guy who was there at the same playground whips out the phone, does the old docks a racist routine, something that is familiar to any user of the internet by now,

and says to her, hey, did you just call that kid the N word? What's the matter? Are you too cowardly to say it again? Go on. Go on. What did you call the kid? Type of a thing. And that's when Shiloh, rather than, you know, at this point, she's got a lot of options. To Monday morning quarterback the whole thing for Shiloh. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of options. When someone puts, the camera on you and says, hey, you called this kid an N-word. There are many outs that you can take. Right. You walk away from it. Then the video, it doesn't have much legs, right? Even if the guy posts it and says, oh, right before I started filming, she called a kid the N-word. It's like,

eh, he said, she said. Not going to get many views. Not going to get many hits on that one. But Shiloh, perhaps conscious that she will go viral, who knows? Or perhaps, you know, just that entitled to her role atop the racial pyramid as a white. One way or the other, she looks right at the camera and just starts letting fly with the hard R. and immediately after she puts up a go-fund me and I stopped keeping track

but within 24 hours it had surpassed half a million dollars. Holy shit, I had no idea that was happening. What the fuck? Yeah. Man, we're so doomed as a society. What's crazy about this one too is, and I'm sure you saw this, right? What I was seeing online is like,

All of the Shiloh supporters being like, this America, free speech, you could say what you want. Why would you want to support a white racist? Because I want to support free speech and you cannot have free speech in the country. That's fine, you can support free speech, but you also have to be accountable for what you say. She is, I mean, would you use the N word out of interest? Yes. You would? I do quite frequently.

You use the N word quite frequently. Why, other than the fact you're a despicable racist? Are you? Sure, I'll embrace that. If that means forwarding, you know, helping white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which by the way... That's the crazy thing, because it's like, okay,

where were you all at, like, yesterday when the same thing was happening with, like, protesters? And they're not dropping the N-word. They're dropping, you know, some cold-hard truths about the Trump administration or about the Israeli government. Where was your... Yeah, I mean, we've seen...

said it so many times how utterly vapid the right-wing free speech movement is, it's not about free speech at all. It's so obviously just about the ability for Nazis to spew their bile in public to the detriment of everyone. Get away with the hate speech. and now thanks to Kanye West's new Heil Hitler anthem I'm sure that we're just going to be hearing more and more and more white racists spouting off the N-word spouting off Heil Hitler and making Nazism cool again for the kids, for the youths.

Totally. The other funny thing when I think about the Shiloh incident is it's like almost like it's the kickoff to, do you remember during the last Trump administration in the waning days of the Trump administration, Trump won, there was the Central Park Bird incident with the woman who, and I think she played herself, right? because she was like recording or something oh no that one the guy was recording some something along the lines of uh she played herself because she had like her dog off leash and she wasn't supposed to and yeah the gentleman was very sort of calm and sort of uh just informed her like hey you can't

do that there are there's like signs everywhere that says you got to have your dog in a leash this is a you know a park that has all these birds and you want to be respectful to to nature and she like explodes on him in this in this you know uh tirade yeah and it's funny i know that i'm much more probably for for the worse for me but much more online than you are dick and yeah there was a whole thread. Can't remember who posted it. Some fucking anonymous Nazi account on Twitter that had this like hall of martyrs thread that was going through. Yeah. No way. Seriously. No way. What the fuck. It was like, remember the Central Park Bird Lady. Like she got fired and never got her job back after

that. And it's like the crux of the whole thing is Shiloh did what was the brave thing to do for the permanent cancellation of cancel culture that's canceled. So many of our martyrs in the past.

And then he's got like, you got one on like Strom Thurman and fucking Trent Lot and fucking but and it would be a joke right and it would be kind of a minor thing but the thing is is that it's part and parcel of the entire trump agenda to do this on a mass scale from the highest level everything from taking down the names and grave markers of black service members from the Arlington National Cemetery website and maps and replacing it with like DEI soldier essentially undermining the service of people on account of race and gender.

I think women as well are included all the way to changing back the names of installations named after Confederate military generals. Or, you know, another thing that the Trump administration did. And I don't know how much people know this. But when the Trump administration came into office, the federal government hires people, right? That's a normal thing. And usually there's some process. Once somebody gets a job offer from the federal government, there's a waiting period before you start to go through all these background checks and conflicts,

and whatever, especially for lawyers, but for other professional positions as well. And it's pretty intense, right? They interview people you know, right? You got to give them a list of people you know. They interview your, maybe your past employers. They interview your close, you know, connections. Yeah. And all those outstanding offers that were in process to women and to people of color were

canceled and withdrawn across the damn board. Fucking government's just a sausage party now. Yeah, and it goes back to, you know, these people who claim to adore and to venerate the United States Constitution, which is one of the great. symbols or stand-ins for the nation itself, right? It's the thing that they purport to be so proud of because it's what defines the U.S. government in a unique way that no other democracy has, right?

The model for the world, blah, blah, blah. And setting aside whether or not we agree with the veneration of the U.S. Constitution for a moment, The fact is that these people are the biggest haters of the actual Constitution. I like that. That's a very Trump-like critique. These people are haters of the Constitution. It's so true, right?

The 14th Amendment says that, you know, that you can't discriminate. and that's exactly what they're doing and they're fighting tooth and nail for the right to do that because they don't love the principle of equality and at the end of the day, right? I think what we're, our home base here is it's always been that way.

The founding fathers used the words all men are created equal while owning slaves. It was hypocritical at the time there were inherent internal contradictions embedded in the Constitution. And now those contradictions are right there at the surface, and the Trump contingent would resolve those contradictions by, I don't know, setting aside the Constitution. I don't think that they are planning to amend it.

They're just running roughshod over the Constitution, wiping their ass with it. Right. They're taking a completely different and unprecedented approach, right? The people, the legal scholars are calling what we have in front of us here a constitutional crisis, right? It's this idea that like, yeah, they'll do whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't matter. Court orders be damned, right? Checks on government be damned.

They're doing all of it because they know how. hard it would be to amend the Constitution, right? It's like the process to do that. They have to get, it's like supermajorities, right, in both houses. And then it goes down to like each state government to also do it to vote. So like there's no, you know, I would be shocked if there are these crazy constitutional amendments that come out of this for next four years. they're going to do they're going to amend the constitution to repeal the 14th amendment yeah exactly they're going to mean it's like that's not going to happen what's the easy way is to just fucking

ignore it right and be like yeah what are you going to do court what are you what are you going to do court what are you going to do judge you're going to fucking uh issue an order well fuck your order you're fucking partisan judge you're a corrupt you know a judge that has a political biases is against me. Never mind that maybe I appointed you, right? I think this maybe brings us to our next headline. Do you want to talk about this one? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It tees it up perfectly. So in case the listener is not aware, very recently, Judge Fernando Rodriguez of the Southern District of Texas who was appointed in 2018 by then president Donald John Trump recently ruled that the administration does not have legal authority under the Alien Enemies Act to deport

Venezuelans to El Salvador on these generic and vague allegations that they are gang members and that they are therefore part of some invading enemy force, right? In the same opinion where he draws back the administration's authority to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, Judge Rodriguez does assert that the administration could follow the procedures set forth in the INA and the Immigration and Nationality Act. But of course, the Trump administration is unwilling to go through all of that process because those processes would permit a person before they're removed from the United States to tell an immigration judge, no, my tattoo is not a gang tattoo it like in the case of the famous hairdresser right that the guy who had a tattoo in honor of his

autistic brother that had nothing to do with gang membership right these types of factual details would get worked out through that process at least yeah in the ideal scenario and it could even be more specific more nuanced than that right it could may well be a gang tattoo right but you have to look at the specific facts of the case and say, okay, well, what's the reason for this gang tattoo? It may well be. I know many instances where the individual was under threat of murder, under threat of their family being murdered. They were told, you better join this gang or we're going to fucking kill everybody you know. And so they get, you know, initiated and then they escape, right? So like the facts of the case matter so much.

A lot of these people are fleeing gang violence in many different forms. You can't just say, all right, because you have a certain tattoo, we are presuming the worst. Yeah, and the crux of the judicial opinion here was simply that the Alien Enemies Act has a very specific type of application rooted in the early republic, right, when it was passed in like the 18th century. Because the British crown could send agents into the United States to sabotage the early republic on behalf of the old colonial power.

of course this was even before the war of 1812 had kicked off so it's like the application of that principle of that rationale to a undifferentiated mass of Venezuelans who all they have in common is their country of origin but you know when you see these planes full of deep courtes getting loaded up in these disgusting propaganda videos that are being published by the White House, it's not like those people were all arrested together, were even from the same city, or have anything to do with each other, nor is there any proof on an individual level that they have anything to do with the government of Venezuela? And quite obviously, excuse the pun, but the whole trumped-up charge that Maduro is engineering the exodus of migrants from Venezuela to the United States

deliberately is preposterous. The United States has been imposing crippling economic sanctions on Venezuela for decades now. Governments that have succeeded. since Hugo Chavez have taken an anti-imperial stance and have refused to follow in line as the neo-colonial CIA puppet regimes that ruled Venezuela during most of the 20th century did. Isn't it like super basic? It's like they nationalized the oil program

and the U.S. didn't like that. Of course. Some shit like that. Some shit like so basic, like straight up. It's like a multiple choice thing. It's like, why do we hate you? Okay, you're keeping your oil away from us. Yeah, and I don't think we need to get too into the weeds.

I mean, it's even an overstatement to say that they nationalize their oil. Like, foreign investors were still taking a cut from PEDABESA, right? Whatever the, I can't remember. PDV SE, I can't remember what Petrolios de Venezuela SA, something like that. But economic sanctions have the effect of destroying the economy, of increasing impoverishment, of increasing economic desperation, which obviously, in turn, pushes out economic migrants who if they're not fleeing the increased violence that is also a consequence of economic devastation imposed from without they're fleeing from the economic devastation

itself and so once again like a policy of the united states is in large part responsible for the wave of migration in the first place, and it's this whole victim-blaming dynamic that we can get back to in a minute. But first, just to finish the discussion of the administration's backlash against this Trump-appointed judge who ruled against them. And again, ruled against them but didn't really foreclose the prospect of mass deportation, maybe just put a little obstacle in the way called the due process of law, which itself has already been whittled down over the decades into the immigration court system, which is a joke, as we've talked about on the pod.

Well, everybody in the Trump administration has sprung into action, just like all of the other judicial rulings against their illegal conduct, calling this judge also politically biased, politically motivated, and especially a DEI judge. A DEI judge, because even though he was appointed by Trump, his object, his object, objectivity is cast into doubt by the nature of his identity as a Latino man. Which is, I don't know what more to say about it. It's like beyond the pale. It's like insane. It's like beyond mental gymnastics and all of that. It's like, what the fuck, right? Like, well, it's just racist.

It's just racism. That's all it is. Yep. Yep. And it's a window into the fact that all the anti-D-EI, all the anti-woke discourse is also just racism. And some people might encounter that discourse and adopt it in a way that subjectively they don't believe. is racist, but it is racist. It is because at the bottom of the barrel, like once you strip it all away, this is a judge

that is, you know, he's listed on the Federalist Society website as a contributor. He was appointed by Trump. I believe he was recommended by Republican Senator of Texas, John Cornyn. Yeah, he's got all the Republican sort of check marks, right? I think we were talking about it. He's like on the Federalist Society. Right. And since they can't say anything about political bias,

it's back to the immutable characteristics. He's not white, therefore he's bad. And so I was listening earlier to the Steve Bannon podcast and a little atmospherics on that. Interestingly, Bannon refers to his listening audience as the war room posse and like tells them to do things

on his behalf and he's like oh posse we gotta get going with the posse and do that like it's really fucking grim to bring it back and this will come up in a few minutes here and our next our next issue that we're going to cover

headline really yeah but you know, Bannon and his guest, this guy called Mike Davis, who Bannon called the Viceroy, also this colonialist language once again, they were actively encouraging the administration to create a constitutional crisis, to ignore any adverse judicial ruling, and up to and including a ruling of the Republican majority Supreme Court, right, which consists of three Trump appointed judges. And, of course, you know, Thomas and Alito, who are even further to the right

than any of the Trump appointed judges, and John Roberts, who made. maybe it's a little bit more middle of the road. But they're encouraging the constitutional crisis. They want the conflict, and they want to effectively, again, pick and choose what part of the Constitution they can follow and which parts they can just tear up and ignore. So here they would ignore the entirety of article

three that sets up an independent federal judiciary in favor of an executive with unlimited and unfettered power which they assert resides in his role as commander in chief what does that sound like to you dick it doesn't sound good there's no wonder they're all fucking Heiling Hitler every goddamn chance they get. Very good damn chance they get. Very well, I'm going to ask for you, for you, for that you that you that's just and the who died without

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it's just the brass tax of it is we live in a racist white nationalist country. We've always lived in a racist white nationalist country as you put it early on in this episode. It's sort of boiling over right now. And that's obviously very bad. And it's manifesting in all sorts of different agencies and all sorts of different policy positions. And I think now we turn to focus more closely on this immigration policy that we were sort of teasing out a few minutes ago, just sort of take a look.

It actually really does bring all of these points together, this idea that on the ground floor, on the ground level, the folks who are enforcing the law, the agents of these systems, these officers, these soldiers, when they're putting on these uniforms, they're not checking their racist ideologies at the door. They are very much informed. Their actions are very much informed by those ideologies. Yeah. So you want to talk about our boy, the Glomar Responder?

Yeah. So this is another one that came out this week, right? What was happening was there's this Twitter account, Glomar Responder. And it's been around for years now, right? maybe a decade. Yeah, I think 2012. I think it started in 2012. Yeah, and the listener is invited to check it out.

It's pretty horrific stuff. The tweets are usually racially charged, very nationalistic, very much got a bend towards immigration, discussing, you know, the horrific acts of, you know, the immigration and customs enforcement has been doing, ICE has been doing. and journalists the Texas Observer were able to pinpoint and I said what is it called docks yeah unmask effectively docs unmask glomar responder and wouldn't you know it glomar responder turned out to be ICE assistant chief counsel James Rodden yeah and I think it bears reading some of the tweets that are cited in this Texas Observer article, which is certainly

worth a read. Maybe before we do that, maybe you could tell us a little bit about this Twitter handle that had me sort of scratching my head, Glomer Responder. Oh, yeah. It's, again, like, we're recording this. We are putting this content out there to you. But I personally feel insane every time that these deeply symbolic and almost poetic associations of words and concepts filter up into the discourse because it's like way too on the fucking nose. It's just, it induces psychosis.

Anyways, the Glomar response. So Glomar responder, it is referring to something called the Glomar Response, which is a response to a FOIA request, a request to a government agency under the Freedom of Information Act for documents or information about a certain government program. And the Glomar response is we can neither confirm nor deny that such information exists. So, for example, if you were to put in a request for, say, any information about, I don't know, the U.S. program for covering up the JFK assassination to the CIA, right? you might get a Glomar response that says we can neither confirm nor deny that any such documentation or information exists and it's a way of not responding and at the same time you know there's sort of a tacit admission perhaps did you know that the phrase we can neither confirm nor deny, started right here at CIA.

The name Glomar comes from a Howard Hughes CIA collab from the 1960s, which was the subject of the OG Glomar response. Known as the Glomar response, this was the CIA's reply to the press after we went on an undercover mission to retrieve a Soviet submarine from the depths of the ocean. In 1968, a Soviet K-129 missile submarine sank to the bottom of the ocean, about 16,500 feet. That's almost 11 Empire State buildings. It sank to the bottom and the Russians couldn't find it, but we did, and we wanted to go after

it. It wasn't safe enough, though, for us to just go out in a U.S. Navy carrier. And we also needed to create the technology that would go down and grab the submarine from the bottom of the ocean floor and that vessel to house it. So really what we needed was the perfect cover mechanism. And that came in the form of Howard Hughes. So Howard Hughes, of course, another utter racist. I mean, a real Klansman mentality guy.

I don't know if people who are listening are aware of, you know, the aviator Howard Hughes had, was it RKO studios? Yep. The Hells Angels film. massive media mogul, massive aviation, Titan of Industry, billionaire guy, and a weirdo who had a phobia of society, right? He hold himself up for many years, famously, became reclusive, obsessed with hygiene, and that dovetailed with his extreme white supremacy, that he would never touch a person of color. He was one of these real eugenics freaks. And he collaborated on many, many occasions with the federal government and with the CIA, including in the attempt to

dredge up a Soviet submarine with a ship that he commissioned that was called the Glomar Explorer. So that's where the name comes from. Much of what we retrieved is actually still classified. Even though we didn't get all of the sub on our first try, we wanted to go back and retrieve the rest. We worked really hard to keep this out of the press as it would expose our officers, possibly putting them in danger. It would not allow for us to go back

to get the rest of the submarine. And in this case, it would have exposed a really important cover mechanism in Howard Hughes. Unfortunately, this article in the LA Times sank our efforts. When the press started inquiring, we realized that saying yes to some things and no to others may give them too many breadcrumbs. And to protect our mechanisms, our methods, and our people, we came up with the phrase we can neither confirm nor deny. And the reason why it's so poetic, because we're also living in a time where Elon Musk, who's, of course, you know, Trump's, primary benefactor in the election and is the sort of minister without portfolio in

Trump's administration right now, he's sort of a Howard Hughes-like figure in his own right, you know, mentally ill, vehemently racist, and also deeply embedded with the CIA and the intelligence community and the military industrial complex so it's like a loop of history right a spiral it's coming back kind of like the the old true detective cloud right from season one of true detective you know that scene yeah for sure why should i live in history huh i don't want to know anything anymore this is a world where nothing is solved and someone once told me time is a flat circle everything we've ever done or will do we're going to do over and over and over again so the the racist tweets that are quoted in this texas observer article they say things like quote

America is a white nation founded by whites our country should favor us another one from just last month the Glomar responder tweeted that all blacks are foreign to my people dumb fuck he also said I'm not a commie I'm a fascist

my favorite one is fascists solve communist problems. Get your insults right. Retard. And more germane to his official duties as an attorney for ICE responsible for leading these prosecutions and in removal proceedings against migrants, Glomar responder stated, quote, migrants are all criminals and he also said it is our holy duty

to guard against the foreign hordes and you got to read this next one because I'm gonna fucking puke all right so he says nobody is proposing feeding migrants into tree shutters yet give it a few more weeks at this level of invasion and that will be

the moderate position Oh, this next one's good too. My WW2 vet grandfather didn't get a chance to kill Asians, so he volunteered for Korea. He'd be asking for a short-term job with ice kicking doors and swinging a baton. And so he's doing these posts undercover, right? At this point, no one knows who Glomar responder is. Of course, it comes to light that this guy talks. about ice kicking doors and swinging a baton is ice is lawyer but I think this is actually a good segue

to a book that is near and dear to both of our hearts I know the end of the myth by Greg Grandin and covers the time between just the the origins of America right all up until the Trump won presidency and he does cover the U.S. border president. troll and the origins of our relationships with our neighbors down south. Right, yeah, the thesis of the book on the whole is kind of takes this idea of the frontier

thesis, right? The Frederick Jackson Turner idea. Yeah, pioneer mentality. Yeah. Expansion. And then the end of the myth is once you've already gone from sea to shining sea, Once you have kind of abandoned the neoconservative goal of spreading democracy all over the world, quote unquote, then you turn inward.

And so he was writing this from the perspective of the first Trump administration where there was a turning inward of the frontier such that the same. expansionist mentality became focused more on expulsion and purification of the body politic. So maybe we do turn for turn, but I want to start with the passage about sort of the origins of Border Patrol. It goes like this. The United States Border Patrol was officially established as part of the comprehensive 1924 Immigration Act, and immediately became arguably the most politicized branch of law enforcement, even more so than J. Edgar Hoover's Federal Bureau of Investigation. The debate leading up to the passage of the act was intense.

Nativists warned that with its open border policy, the country was committing, quote, suicide and was in danger of quote mongrelization 40,000 clansmen marched on Washington demanding entrance restrictions the 1924 law codified into immigration policy a xenophobia that had deep roots in the nation's history immigration from Asia fell practically to zero while arrivals from central and southern Europe were also sharply reduced. Most

countries were now subject to a set quota system with Western European countries assigned to the highest numbers. Now, Grandin goes on to explain that Mexico, however, was exempt to these quotas. You guessed it, if you've guessed why,

you've guessed correctly, that it was the business interests of Texas and other states that really pushed towards allowing Mexicans to come in, this open border policy. There is a quote here from the Texas Chamber of Commerce. Texas needs these Mexican immigrants. And so begins this clash between these nativists, these sort of xenophobic white, and these Mexicans that were coming in.

to work, essentially. Right. It's a real tension and a contradiction to both facilitate and allow migration for the sake of filling the ranks of the exploitable underclass and also promoting this white nationalist vision that gives whites of all levels of society a perceived leg up on people of color. It's a classic divide and conquer strategy, which is always enforced by violence. And maybe Dick, I'll read another little passage about that violence. that in the American Southwest, Grandin writes that Anglo vigilantes

had lynched an unknown number of Mexicans and Mexican Americans. Conservative estimates put the number in the thousands. The court system in the United States supplemented mob violence with Southwestern judges ordering and marshals and sheriffs carrying out the execution of more, than 200 Mexicans and Mexican Americans.

The borderland repression was conducted equally by law officers and night riding groups, such as the mounted rifles, the white owls, and the wolf hunters. This is Don talking here. It later goes on to discuss the Texas Rangers that started out as one of these vigilante groups and then becomes officially sanctioned and recognized as an arm of the state. And this actually ties in to yet more headlines in the self-same Texas observer. And got to say, doing some of the best journalism around right now, really worth a look, the Texas

observer, including articles about the so-called giant ice army that Governor Greg Abbott is facilitating by allowing Texas police forces to dual hat. And so this vigilantism, this frontier mentality is back in full force. And we've got plans for an episode in the future about the Florida Reich and how Florida is one instance of auditioning at the state level for fascist-proving ground. Texas is maybe even more exemplary of that phenomenon that, I mean, Greg Abbott, fucking Ken Paxton, the, uh, Attorney General of Texas, like, these guys are sick fucks. I want to bring it back to the origins of the Border Patrol in Texas, and I think this might be a good way to sort of wrap us up for this episode, because it really does bring together

everything we've been saying in this episode and honestly in the last episode, right? And it comes back to the Immigration Act in the early 20th century in the dawn and the the origins of the U.S. Border Patrol. And Grandin goes on to say, Having lost the national debate when it came to restricting Mexicans and fearing they were losing the larger struggle in defense of Anglo-Saxonism,

white supremacist took control of the newly established U.S. Border Patrol and turned it into a vanguard of race vigilanteism. The patrols first recruited, were white men one or two generations removed from farm life, often with military experience or with a police or ranger background. Their politics stood in opposition to the big borderland farmers and ranchers who wanted cheap labor.

Remember, the Texas Chamber of Commerce said that Texas needs these Mexican immigrants. So, unlike the Chamber of Commerce, Unlike the Chamber of Commerce, they didn't think that Texas or Arizona or New Mexico or California needed Mexican immigrants. And so this idea, right, now this is Dick talking. It's like straight from the playbook. What did the sort of white supremacist controlled agency do to meet out the violence that it wanted to meet out?

It found people, boots on the ground, who harbored this. ill will towards the people that it wanted to target it made sure that those people that would serve as its agents were far enough removed right they were they were not the farmers and the ranchers that actually had a relationship with the mexicans that would come into these states to work and they just essentially said you know it's open season have at it and it you know it manifested in the ways that you describe don And in large part, that's what's happening today, right? It's what's happening.

It's what's happening in Israel. It's what's happening with ICE. It's the same playbook. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, on our last episode, The Big Con, Congress with Andrew Myslich, Andrew made this point that really resonated with me, which was the, politicians and the most venomous Zionist backers, the most genocidal folks in American political life

out there braying for Palestinian blood and defending Israeli apartheid, those people want to bring that home. They want to reinstate or ramp back up. I mean, it never really went away, right? American apartheid of Jim Crow translated into the sorts of economic segregation that are easily observed in any American city today and in the inequalities that we can observe on the face of American society. And in that respect, too, it's also worth noting that we've been focused on immigrants as objects of white supremacist violence, both political violence through policy formation and then physical violence in the enactment of those policies, in the carrying out of those

policies. But we shouldn't forget that the police racist violence against black Americans that was the subject of so much social revolt in 2020 and before that in 2014 with the Ferguson protests, that has not disappeared. It's not even abated. And in fact, most people probably don't know this because it's just not reported because, eh, nothing happened after the 2020 protests except Joe Biden was elected. So I guess that checks the box for the mainstream media point of view. But 2024 was the deadliest year of police violence on record. And it was still disproportionately geared against black Americans. So just because something is not in the discourse, doesn't mean that it's gone. And I think all of this stuff is coming to a head. You know,

another of Greg Adolf Abbott's Texas Reich policies that he's pushing forward is to basically eliminate all bail reform efforts so that people will not be allowed to leave detention while awaiting trial. Yeah. And that to me sounds like a recipe for concentration camps. Yep. indefinite detention, no proof of guilt, and just rounding people up when there's no infrastructure for it under that hot Texas sun. It's really grim if you play these ideas forward to their logical ends. Yep. Maybe in the future we'll do a cash bail episode, but the cash bail system it's not like a network of mom and pop shops right they're not these small sort of hokey uh spots where you can go and it's just like a guy it's like these are companies

that are backed by big business they're backed by serious funding right there is a vested interest in cash bail in these states where it still exists a hundred percent it's criminalization of poverty and it's an extraction of wealth from the poorest people in society, the people who are subject to being rounded up on the basis of being the wrong color in the wrong place at the wrong time. And you know, you lock those people up en masse and they're forced to take out these payday loans or, you know, these bail bonds loans extremely predatory. Trump has eliminated the CFPB, which part of its bailiwick was to enforce against fraud and abuse of these types of operations.

And Trump just last week gave another executive order essentially geared towards taking the fetters off of police the executive order basically assumes that all restraints put on police violence are again woke DEI bullshit that is preventing police from doing their jobs all of this of course flies in the face of all available data which of course the Trump people don't give too fucks about, but they assume because they want to be meeting out this violence, they start from the position that the violence is good and that therefore anything that gets in the way of that violence is bad. And one thing to keep an eye out on is that a section of that executive order states that the administration may call upon the law firms that have agreed to take

on the Trump preferred pro bono projects, right, and provide these hundreds of millions of dollars and free legal services. And he envisions that they will be called upon to represent killer cops. And I'm very curious to see how that's going to play out because a lot of these firms out there putting out statements that this these uh trump agreements it's actually in line with doing the right thing and doing what we would have done anyways they're i think likely to have to face another decision point when they get the call asking them to represent the next derrick chauvin fuck and before we close off, I just want to make one final comment or introduce one final topic. I want your

take as well, Dick. But the final thing that I want to be sure to say, because maybe somebody listening is asking us right now, well, what about the Democrats? Why are they off the hook for all this stuff? Aren't they racist too? Aren't they part of the same two-party duopoly that is stomping down the neck of the people, especially the people of color, especially the people at the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid. And we want to be clear that we are not letting the Dems off the hook in the slightest, right? Remember during the Biden administration those images of horseback riding ice vigilantes whipping Haitians. as they were scrambling, running away from the beating hooves of these equine terrorists, right?

Yeah. So they were engaged in the same thing to some extent. No, I was going to say it's actually really interesting you bring it up because one of the things I did in preparation of this episode was I looked at the CBP.gov Border Patrol history page. And when you read the thing, the way it lays it out that describes this border patrol history as this proud history of service and, you know, watchmen, mounted watchmen of the border that were preventing illegal crossings and how these men were heroes and yada, yada, yada, and I was thinking, well, you know, it's 2025. Maybe the Trump administration got to this page and they did quite a bit of revisionist history. and so what I did was I just went on to the archived you know the wayback machine and I went back to the same page during the Biden administration and to my shock and astonishment not a single

word had changed wow amazing so there you go I mean it's it's look we do we dole it out onto the administration a lot. They're a very easy target. But my view is in a lot of ways, like, we have the Democrats to blame as much as, in fact, probably more so than the Trump administration because they are the reason we have the Trump administration. Right. And part of the blame, you know, in that respect, in that vein, I think you could side by side two images. as embodiments of the utter uselessness or not useless because it's useful for capital, right? But the utter contempt that the Democrats have shown to their supposed beneficiaries of their progressive views on race.

And I'm thinking on one side you have that ice agents under Biden whipping Haitians. And then the other picture is the Nancy Pelosi in the Kintay cloth, taking a knee in the Capitol Rotunda, along with the rest of the Democrat caucus, because that too is utterly offensive. It's racist, yeah. contemptuous towards the victims of police violence and brutality and murder. And it goes hand in hand with the political inadequacy of the solutions proposed by Democrats to deal with these inequalities and with these issues that do provide for some kind of putting, as Cornel West calls it, black faces in high places, this tokenism.

And, you know, it's almost giving grist for the mill of the anti-woke racists who point the finger and say, well, all you're doing is you're saying there needs to be a quota here, there needs to be a training, a sensitivity training there. There needs to be a restriction on what you can say and do over here. And I'm not saying that the white, racist, anti-woke people are correct in all of their accusations. And in many cases, they're either exaggerating or making stuff up. But it can certainly be said that the political solutions proposed by the so-called what passes for political left ignore class at the expense of race and avoid any sort of redistribution of wealth that actually gets to the heart of the matter.

And in so doing, they also either parrot or rely on this false framing of all of these issues. So like in the immigration context, the Democrats have not at all provided an alternative explanation to the phenomenon of immigration, except this is a nation of immigrants, you know, all that kind of feel-good bullshit, which is politically meaningless. But they still say, we are a nation, we need borders, and in fact, people who are so-called economic migrants who come here for a better opportunity, they don't have a right to be here. They're not asylees. They're not refugees. They need to leave the country or get in line and enter legally. There's been all the way back to what you were reading before, Dick, about

the historical roots of border enforcement. It's been bipartisan. And it's created a consensus of you that the rest of the world is taking advantage of America. They're jealous of our freedom, they're jealous of our wealth, they're jealous of our opportunities. And so everybody wants to come here. But guess what? We can't take everybody because we don't have room for everybody. And you won't find many Democrats who push back on that. Yeah, 100%.

Is there anything Bernie Sanders famously? Right? Yeah. I mean, I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger. Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate. And I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform. But I don't think it's appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally. Because he wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country, who are undocumented.

Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country. country because I got news for you, Trump's billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us. They're not going to work in meat packing houses. That's what undocumented people are doing. So we need a variety of programs, guest worker programs, but mostly comprehensive immigration reform. But you know illegal immigration exploded under Biden and nothing was really done until his last year in office when he was...

Yeah, should have done much better, no argument. And so as a closing thought, you know, I think it's imperative to understand all of these concepts as part of a bigger whole picture wherein immigration and imperial conquest are two sides of the same coin. immigration and colonial exploitation are two sides of the same coin, the more that the United States expands the markets of capital into the so-called third world through the use of force, the more the peoples of those vanquished territories will seek to escape northward to the center of capital. Juan Gonzalez, the journalist who was a member of the young lords back in the 60s,

he's got a whole book about this called Harvest of Empire, which I think is a good way to understand the continuous and unstoppable flows of immigration into the United States that if you don't take account of all of the reasons, then you're never going to have a humane solution. And you even see some people want to resurrect the Bernie line and make alliances with the right wing on immigration and say, we do need to enforce the border.

Come on, guys. You can't just. That's going to be so unpopular. Well, I am not as interested in what's popular as in justice. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So maybe it takes a lot of teaching. It takes a lot of learning about history, about context.

That's what we're doing here, a tiny drop into the ocean of propaganda out there for now. but it's not something that can be wished away and I certainly would not want to be part of any political formation that sacrifices some of the most vulnerable people, the most desperate people in the world on the altar of advancing the flag whatever that flag may be until next time I'm Dick

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