Fourth Reich Archaeology - She Harvey Oswald 9: LA Woman

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

We are back to our series-within-a-series, She Harvey Oswald (a Jerryworld Series). And boy are we excited. When we last left her, Sara Jane Moore had dumped husband #2, Sydney Manning, and sent her three kids from her California home back to her parents in West Virginia. We had questioned whether “Syd” might have been a handler of some kind, considering that (1) he was a psychiatric professional working in a facility while she was a patient undergoing treatment and analysis, (2) he was 17 years her senior, (3) he knew her only a short time before tying the knot, and (4) she had exhibited abnormal psychology, suffering fainting spells and bouts of amnesia, making her an ideal subject for just the type of experiments the CIA was doing at the time under Project Bluebird.This week we move on to husband #3, still in Southern California–indeed, in Hollywood!--the RKO Pictures sound wizard, 10-time Oscar nominee, John O. Aalberg. We begin by giving the “official narrative” of Sara’s and “Big John’s” romance, drawing largely on Geri Spieler’s biography of Moore. Even the truncated and largely superficial story told by Spieler is interesting if, for no other reason, it is pretty wild that Sara Jane Moore was married to the guy who did the sound for Citizen Kane! And if you are listening on the free feed, that is where we leave things off. There’s more at Patreon, otherwise, you’ll have to wait to hear the rest of the story…Patreon.com/fourthreicharchaeologyEmail: [e-mail]: @fourthreichpod Outro song performed by Angelina Jordan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXOPpwucDYw&list=RDgXOPpwucDYw&start_radio=1

In the words of an American hero, Patrick Henry, the gentleman cried peace, but there is no peace. And today, America today, sends to every nation in her imperialist orbit the implements of peace, rifles, machine guns, and now even atomic cannon. The gentleman, but I have... Let no one be deceived. That's what the man said. I don't think you need three guesses to know what this is all about, but let's listen a moment longer and see what's behind it. Peace is a word that sends cold shivers down the spines of American capitalists.

Peace is what the whole world yearns for, praise for, longs for. It is a word that... That was the voice of the Kremlin, or rather one of its voices. There are lots of them around the world speaking in every language. speaking in every language. This material is just another sample of what you might call the communist war without guns. I'm Colonel Foster. I'm going to be your guide for a short tour to the maze of communist propaganda.

It's a strange, shadowy world of the doctored photograph, the misquotation, the insinuation, and the lie. Now some of this material to us is comical. Some of it is... Tragic. Some of it's weird. Some of it's dull. But all of it has the single purpose of digging the grave of liberty. Listen to this. The living conditions of the American masses, that's you, are swiftly deteriorating. Our generation is going through the final convulsions of the dying world of capitalism. That's what it says here. And if you don't believe that pamphlet, try this one. Bankrupt America may have one more war in its decaying carcass.

But her young man who face nothing but brute labor, poverty and death, may refuse to fight. That's what it says here. If you're assigned to duty overseas, you may see posters like this once in a while. That's you. In case you don't recognize you. Of course we get a big chuckle out of stuff like this, but the bigger the lie, the bigger the laugh. Like to know what they're saying about you and all American soldiers?

In England, the communists call you arrogant gum chures. They tell the Japanese your pleasure-loving pampered juvenile delinquents. For Italianers, the communists call you black marketeers bent on looting Europe. To the Austrians, they call you uncultured young thugs. To the Soviet-occupied countries of Eastern Europe, they say you are members of the gangster army of imperialist. Army of Imperialist America. And to the people of Korea, the communists say you are cold-blooded murderers who tortured and shot and buried alive thousands of innocent civilians.

Did you notice how they slander progressed? From the gum chores to juvenile delinquent, to black marketeer, to thug, gangster, murderer. From you should be laughed at to you should be shot in just a few easy steps. How's your sense of humor now? Colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. So it's one huge complex or combine.

Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. And this international power structure, is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world and exploit them of their natural resources. We found no evidence of conspiracy, foreign or domestic, the Warren Commission of science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to acquire information, which showed that there were two wars going. His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds, members, the more easy victims of a big lie than a small one.

For example, we're the CIA. He has a mom. He knows so long as is to deny. Freedom can never be secure. It usually takes a national crisis. Freedom can never be secure. He has a mob. A lot of killers.

You get a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? I have a model. This is Fourth Reich Archaeology. I'm Dick. And I'm Don. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome to our humble little show, our noided lawyer podcast,

where week after week we bring you the freshest, historical and current day content. Don, I am so excited to be back in the hot seat again with one of our favorite, dare I say, our original, the starting off point for this whole project, Jerry World, and specifically we're back in one of our series within a series, and maybe even we call this one a series within a series, because you guessed it. Ladies and gentlemen, guys, gals, friends, countrymen, country women. We are back in. She, Harvey, Oswald. We are back with Sarah Jane Moore and bringing you some new, fresh content. I can't believe it. I am so excited to get into it today. Before we do, very quickly, want to thank everyone in our Patreon family

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learning listeners know it, you can always write us. We do have an email account. It is forthrightepod at gmail.com and you can catch us on the socials. We're on Twitter and on Instagram. Our handle is at fourth Reich pod. Don, how you doing? How's it going? It's going really great and in fact it's going great really because of what you listener are about to hear. It's going great because I could not be more excited about this series because as we kind of expected going into this, into this very deep dive, I would say deeper than anyone has ever dived on the elusive, the enigmatic Sarah Jane Moore. We are digging up brand new stuff.

We are making new findings. We are plotting new points to connect to one another in this very tangled tale of our protagonist. And boy, it has kept me up late at night for the last long time. And it has really lit a fire in my belly to get the word out because, you know, Maybe it's because she was a woman. Maybe it's because she narrowly missed the head of Gerald Ford when she took that shot on that fateful September day, 51 years ago. In fact, we are just over the anniversary now as we record this on September 29th. a week ago today would have been the 51 year anniversary,

and I believe that actually also marks about a year since we started excavating she, Harvey Oswald. So you can tell, you know, we do this in real time. We have obviously a skeletal outline, but we are not the type of guys who are trying to put out a mere superficial reporting on this hidden and suppressed history. No, we got to give you the goods. And I think that in the last episode we certainly delivered, I think we're going to keep on delivering those goods

because this one is a doozy. Wouldn't you agree, did it? Oh, definitely. And I would say that for me, the reason that this whole project is so interesting is going back to the foundational principles and our man Jerry Ford, right? I think, you know, there's that game, six degrees of separation, and it's like all roads lead to Kevin Bacon, six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Oh, yeah. For us here, for us here at Fourth Reich Archaeology, I will say humbly that it's six degrees of separation from Jerry Ford. All roads lead to our man, Jerry, the accidental president. And I think that we are doing a, if dare I say, a stellar job at really excavating this point, really developing our thesis, which is that all roads lead to Jerry. Jerry is the pinch point. He is the key to understanding our modern condition. And you'll see we'll go to far, and we have gone to far off places to prove this point.

And yet again here in this episode and in the series, we are going to all these different spots in the historical timeline. And it all connects back to Jerry, back to the point that we started. Yeah. And since it has been a little while and since you're a little congested, maybe I can get us underway with a little bit of a recap of where we've been with this protagonist of this portion. of our series within a series on Sarah Jane Moore because, you know, as we've said many times, repetition is the key to retention. And this is a lot of information. We hear it from listeners all the time. Love the pod. It's so information dense. Have to slow it down, have to relisten, whatever. So to ease that burden on you, listener, let us walk you through the highlight. level, the 30,000 foot view of what we've been through so far, and then we'll get into the next

phase of Sarah Jane Moore's life, the next phase, which of course happens to coincide with the next husband. And for those of you counting at home, this will be husband number three. So we began our tale of Sarah Jane Moore, born Sarah Jane Khan, in Canaw County, West Virginia. That's in the heart of Chemical Valley, aka Cancer Valley, and we explored through the story of Canaw County just how this area, this beautiful paradise in the mountains, in the river, there became a sort of hell on earth through first real estate speculation by the founding era, by George Washington's very era, and the eradication of the indigenous peoples there. And we moved forward to the second wave of devastation caused, this time by the chemical industry,

which exploded along with all other military industries, pun, intended, I suppose, with the spike in demand that resulted first from World War I and then even greater demand for military weapons from World War II. And it's apt that Sally Moore's father, Olaf Khan, was a part of this military industrial complex, perhaps not coincidentally, just like the father of our first protagonist Squeaky Frommi. Her father was an aeronautic engineer, and Olaf Khan, of course, was a chemical engineer for DuPont Chemical Corporation. That is obviously a big red flag, a beeping siren for all Fourth Reich understanders,

because it's deep ties with IG Farben on the development. of synthetic rubber, other synthetic products that were shared. The intellectual property that was necessary to build those products was shared with the Germans as they rearmed after World War I, as they rearmed in violation, really, of the Versailles Treaty. but of course these money makers like the Rockefeller family whose standard oil was part of this consortium with IG Farben and like the DuPont family that was another participant in this consortium, this corporate octopus, if you will, alongside other corporations as well.

But needless to say, right, she is born, Sarah Moore is born in the caldron of the military industrial complex right there in the year 1930. So right in this interwar period when things are really ramping up. And it's not surprising that as a teen, Sally herself would drift into the military machine. Her first foray came in her teenage years when she joined the Civil Air Patrol as a cadet. Remember, she had to be in her teenage years. Remember, she had, has that in common with Lee Harvey Oswald, who also joined his state's branch of the Civil Air Patrol a little bit later in time, albeit, but nevertheless, they do have this in common, which puts them as teens on the radar of military recruiters, of military intelligence,

of the sort of HR office of the military that's got its eyes on young patriots. and young Sarah Jane Khan really sought to develop her patriotism as a young woman. So after she graduated high school, she joined the Women's Army Corps, the Wax. And we talked about how she was an unusual profile for all of these military brass that had their eye on the next generation of what Pete Hogshit would call war fighters, right? And why would she catch their eye? Well, it was because she had a very peculiar psychological profile. Remember, when she was 16 years old, for the first time, she exhibited this aberrational psychological symptomology of undergoing fainting spells and of suffering from amnesia. She disappeared for three whole days from school, from the CAP, from her activities, from her family, and then showed up, didn't remember anything, didn't have any injuries, and reported not knowing where she had been or what had happened.

Everybody kind of brushed it under the rug, but it kept on happening, including while she was enlisted in the military. And so that landed her in Walter Reed, the Army Hospital in Washington, D.C. for psychiatric observation and treatment. And during her treatment there, she was found collapsed in front of the White House with another one of these fainting amnesia spells. No memory of who she was, of where she was, of how she got there. She wasn't carrying any identification, but oddly, she was killed. carrying a bunch of professionally taken headshots. We're talking about 1950 here, and she just happened to have these photos tucked in her dress. Very spooky stuff.

After she was readmitted to the hospital, she divorced her first husband, a sort of low-level military fella, and married a guy who had been one of the psychologist. in the military installation where she was doing some of her whack training, guy by the name of Sidney Manning. Now, in the last episode, we discussed, one, how Sarah Moore's hospitalization in this Army hospital coincided with the CIA's incipient mind control research. its first iteration or the iteration that was active at the very time that Sarah was hospitalized

was called Project Bluebird that would eventually develop into Project M.K. Ultra. But one of the pillars of Project Bluebird, which we read into the record from declassified CIA documents, was to use hypnotists to basically control a subject's behavior, right, to make them do things that they would not otherwise do. And somebody who involuntarily enters into dissociative states, the same type of a mental state that a hypnosis subject is sort of, what's the word, hypnotized into, lulled into by the professional, she's experiencing this state without any, external stimulus. So she is what I believe would be like top patient, a top model patient for the type of

research that the Project Bluebird documents lay out. And just so happens that she married this military psychologist who was 17 years older than she was and who did some very bizarre things, including moving to her hometown for a period of about four months to take a random job in the juvenile court where he would have had access to all of her childhood records. And remember something that she complained about later in life was that her records had disappeared, had been manipulated, had been doctored. Well, while we can't say that we found any smoking gun, the fact that that her ex-husband, shortly after she and he had divorced, and she had sent their three children back to live with her parents

in Kanaugh County, West Virginia. The fact that then Wally Manning goes to take a job in Kanaugh County, stays for four months, and then dips back to California from whence he came, well, it smells a little bit fishy. And this is all documented in local newspaper, articles contemporaneous to the events. So we unearthed all of that stuff. It was not featured in the official biography of Sarah Jane Moore. It was not mentioned in the documentary film about Sarah Jane Moore that came out last year. This is Fourth Reich Archaeology, original research,

original findings, and stuff that we think really complicates the picture of this woman who was six inches away from infamy, the infamy of being a presidential assassin. Did I miss anything, Dick? Not really. I do want to point out. You did mention her profile, and I think kind of pertinent to this episode, too, is not just like her psychological profile, but her bona fides, if you will, remember, Sarah Jane, she was a gifted and talented student, right?

and she was sort of a loner too. And she was a gifted linguist. She took, you know, she took to the language arts. She took to foreign languages. And she was also a gifted actor. And I think that is another really key part in all of this is that she sort of wanted the attention. She had these visions, this vision of where she was going to go in life. She was going to be someone important.

And she wasn't here to me. make any friends, right? And I think all of that sort of plays into the fact that she was such a prime candidate or would have been such a prime candidate for the CIA for the early days of this mind control program that the CIA was doing. And I think that it deserves a little bit of attention. So just put that in your in your brains and keep that in mind. And in this episode, we're going to sort of continue on that track because in this episode, we'll pick up where we left off. And we're going to zoom in, like you said, Don, in marriage number three. And you all guessed it.

This one, too, is going to have some links to the military industrial complex. And it serves as yet another lens onto the broader Fourth Reich Vista, a panorama view, if you will. Yeah, get out that VistaVision camera right now, 70 millimeter. Yeah, yeah. We'll have a lot of these puns in this episode, I'm sure. You guessed it already. We're going to Hollywood, right? Remember, we're going to Hollywood.

And the drama in this episode and in the next episodes to come in the next, I think the next one or two episodes, it's going to really take place in the post-red scare Hollywood scene of the late, 50s and early 60s, and it's where our protagonist landed a job at RKO Studios. You all out there will maybe know RKO Studios as the studio that released the greatest motion picture of all time, Citizen Kane. And so Sarah Jane Moore gets a gig at these studios, and she also lands. a much older husband from among the executives at RKO. And this episode gives us an opportunity not only to cover the narrative,

not only to cover the narrative of Sarah's life and her trajectory, but also to discuss the ties between RKO, early Hollywood, and specifically the early Hollywood development of sound editing and sound editing more generally and how that has these connections to the deep state. And we will also get an opportunity to discuss Howard Hughes, RKO's longtime owner, the quintessential business magnate of this era and all around weirdo guy. We've got Howard Hughes. we've got Joseph Kennedy, senior, you know, some of these big, big names, and we find that

would-be presidential assassin, Sarah Jane Moore, is literally, to talk about the Kevin Bacon game, again, one degree of separation removed from these extraordinarily prominent names. And doesn't it just always seem like these lone nuts? have so many friends in such high places. Gee whiz. What a coinky dink. A big old mystery. So I think we're going to have to put on some PPE for this excavation.

I think that we are going to have to wear a KN95 mask. You put on the respirator. I'm going to stand behind you, Dawn. We'll tie a rope around your waist. and I'm going to just sort of stand behind you, trail you by about five or ten feet, and you take the lead on this one. Well, as long as I'm taking the lead, I guess I might as well say the line. So let's get digging.

A feeling of dizzy. A swimming in the head. Figuratively a statement in which all things seem to be engulfed in a whirlpool of terror. We engulfed in a world rule of terror If I don't do what you're haunted by the desperate, unexplainable verge to destroy herself Will I do what I do? If I do what you tell me what you love me?

Okay, so when we last left off, the year was 1956, 1957, right? This was the time that Sarah Jane Moore had put her children on a plane to West Virginia so that she could start over fresh. She shed her husband. She shed her kids. She was single and ready to mingle, baby, and she was looking for a brand new start. And it's easy to track her age, right because she was born in 1930 a nice clean year ending in a zero so 1956 she she's about 27 years old at this time she'd already lived multiple lives right she had lived the life of a military officer she had lived the life of a housewife of a stay-at-home mom and she had radically cast aside those lives like so many outfits and just changed from one to another.

Again, this is truly the profile of an espionage agent, somebody who is able to just shift identities, chameleon-like in that way. She apparently, around this time, enrolled in college at UCLA, but as we've seen elsewhere, there are not any records, of her enrollment, nor of her having completed any degree, either at UCLA or at other colleges.

However, according to biographer Jerry Speeler, although there are no records of anyone with any of Sarah's names, right? Not Khan, not Manning, not what was what was Wally's last name again? I forgot. Poor Wally. He really gets the short stick, but whatever the fuck Wally's last name was, there's no records of somebody with that name, with that last name at UCLA. But nevertheless, Sarah Jane Moore was able to provide Jerry Spiller with sufficient detail about UCLA, about the campus, the physical description of the neighborhood, of Westwood. And, you know, she talked about running around the track and walking around the campus.

And so Jerry Spieler was convinced that indeed Sarah Jane did spend some time at UCLA, but speculated that perhaps she used an alias or gave a false social security number. Jerry does not, but I think we leave open the possibility that indeed those records were somehow tampered with or destroyed. just because of the very bizarre case that we found throughout Sarah Jane Moore's life. I'll also note that Jerry reports finding an FBI report stating that Sarah Jane Moore obtained a degree and indeed did some work towards a master's degree, but again, that report doesn't specify what school she attended, or give a source for this information.

For all we know, the FBI could have been citing an interview that it had conducted with Sarah Moore herself. So, you know, really, I think, unknowable exactly what her education was. But I think that it bears at least asking the question whether perhaps she was getting an education from UCLA or for, from another institution with a C and an A in its initials. But, you know, what we do know is that she obtained sufficient skill in bookkeeping, in accounting, wherever she was taking classes, to land herself a job at RKO. And that is where she met her third husband. So really, other than those little paltry details, Jerry Spieler doesn't dig up much of anything

about Sally Moore's lost decade between the late 50s and the mid-60s. And, you know, I think we can fill in some of these gaps and we will do so, especially drawing from some really explosive. and I don't use that word lightly, but some really explosive passages from her 1979 prison interview that we've quoted in past episodes to not only supplement the sort of official narrative, but also to debunk a little bit of what has been said by Jerry Speeler and by others about Sarah Jane's Hollywood era. Yeah, we, dare I say, we have some, blockbuster passages that may be used to cover the fill the gaps here. And you know,

you mentioned it. Jerry does attribute Sally's secrecy to hiding from the authorities or maybe hiding from her parents. But I think that we are some of the first to maybe point out that it's possible that her hiding had to do with her ties to intelligence. And this is, of course, something that is not on Jerry's radar because it's not something she ever was interested in exploring in her researcher that ultimately ended up in her book. But as you mentioned, she does get a job. Sarah Jane does get a job as an accountant in RKO. And I think now is a good time to talk to. a little bit more, well, we'll talk a little bit more about RKO in a minute, and it's suss, sus, dirty, dark, secretive background in a minute. First, I think we owe it to everyone to

introduce the mystery man husband, Numero Trace, whom Sarah met while she was at RKO. We're talking about a fella who was a 10-time Oscar nominee and a three-time winner, a fella who led the sound department at RKO for a lengthy period of time. Among many other titles, this guy worked on the sound for Citizen Kane, the hunchback of Notre Dame. It's a Wonderful Life, and many, many more You would expect that a man of such stature to be all over the history books. But, surprise, surprise, there is vanishingly little written about our guy. His name is John Alberg, Big John, as Sarah would refer to him. And there's very little information about him in the books.

There's very little information about him online. and you will have to just leave it to yeah boys to dig up whatever there was. Yeah, so we did do that. We worked very hard to dig up whatever there was. We overturned many a stone here. And there's a few things at the top that we didn't learn with specificity. For example, we don't know exactly when Sarah started working at RKO, except sometime in the late 50s or early 60s.

We do know, however, that it was while working at Archao that she met Big John, and we'll refer to him as Big John or as John Alberg or whatever. Also, I'll spell his name just so that you know. It's an unusual spelling, and this is actually a researcher's friend, right? when somebody has an unusually spelled name because it means there's not going to be a million John Albergs out there with whom to get him confused in search results and things. So it's spelled A-A-L-B-E-R-G, the double A at the beginning, reflective of his Swedish ancestry and, you know, a name that I know that there was at least one other John Allberg in Madison, Wisconsin, unrelated, or, you know, presumably unrelated.

But other than that, you know, when we find references to John Allberg in the newspaper archives, they're talking about Big John. and Big John is a guy who Sarah later described as the love of her life. A little biographical detail on the fella. He was born in Chicago, Illinois, in 1897. This is a 19th century baby to Scandinavian immigrant parents. So doing the math here, 1897, he was 33 years old. older than Sarah Jane. So she saw that 17-year age cap that she had with Sid Manning and said, I'll double down. Let's make it 33. Not that there's anything wrong with that. For everyone out there,

we want to make sure that everyone knows we are totally cool with consenting adults getting it on. Age ain't nothing but a number. As long as they are both consenting adults, it does raise some eyebrows. Yeah, it raises some eyebrows. And I would say, I would say where we are totally cool with is consenting adults who have reached the age of a fully developed prefrontal cortex. Yeah, I would go as far as saying the problem with the relationship with John as the same sort of problem with the relationship with Sid is the power dynamic. That's not so much with the age, but like with Sid, she was this patient. He was the psychometrist. And here, you know, he's this high-level big-shot movie executive and she's the accountant, you know. So I think that is where maybe consent was sort of coerced, but I am not one to be too judgy on the age difference. Sure, sure, yeah.

And I think, you know, just generally speaking, you know, do what you want in your personal life and time. Just be cool. Be kind. And it is interesting to note though, right? She is, according to her at this time, she's, she regularly talks about what a beauty she was during her Hollywood era. And, you know, Big John, he hit 60 in 1957, which is just about, I think, the earliest they could have possibly met. so man in his 60s but you know he also six foot tall guy full head of white hair a vibrant face as he's described not a lot of pictures of the guy you can look and try and find him but there really are not a great

deal of photographs of him notwithstanding his high position in hollywood but this romance kicks off sometime in the late 50s. And I think our plan now is, first we're going to give sort of the full official version, the full story according to Jerry Speeler's biography, housewife assassin, describing this relationship and describing this period in Sarah's life. It's very short, don't worry. and then from there we're going to dig under the surface and get real with y'all so you want to you want to kick it off and we'll just kind of pass it back and forth here yeah jerry jerry jerry so jrey spieler recounts a few characterizing anecdotes about big john and it's we presume it's gleaned from any conversations and correspondence

that she had with Sarah Jane herself. For example, in her book, Jerry says, quote, A pair of tortoiseshell glasses were forever slipping down his nose, and instead of pushing them up with one finger, he would adjust the pesky frames from the side, giving him a refined air. When Sarah first met John,

he had a full head of white hair, which was in stark contrast to, his youthful face and buoyant style. First of all, I just, I got to say, pushing them up, you know, from the side versus with one finger, I don't really see how that gives the guy a refined air, but I'll take her word for it. Yeah, yeah, that's some editorializing there. I think that's a matter of opinion. She goes on, quote, between 1936 and 1954, he was nominated for now. Academy Awards, including his sound recording for RKO's Citizen Kane in 1941, and it's a

Wonderful Life in 1946. He received the Academy's Scientific Technical Award in 1938, and would later win the Academy's Medal of Commendation for Outstanding Service in 1979, and I believe he also won a lifetime achievement award of some kind in 1982. So this guy, in other words, is a big deal, a big deal at a time when, you know, this is the birth of the talkies, right? This is the cutting edge of sound technology and film. Yep. He was the sound guy when sound in film was the cutting edge of the art.

Everyone wanted sound, and he was the sound guy. Jerry goes on to say, quote, Sarah Jane first saw John from her desk when he visited the RKO administrative offices. Sarah Jane soon found out that John was single and considered a man about town who was never without a date. Knowing that he was a bit of a womanizer only fueled Sarah Jane's determination to win him over. According to her version of the courtship, she decided to present herself as the prim and proper girl from West Virginia, in contrast to the many would-be actresses looking for their big break that he was likely dating. She said that at the time she was living in a woman-only hotel and that John had to get her back in time for an 11 p.m. curfew. She said she made it clear to him that she was not like other girls and maintained an air of propriety for a while.

Now this is Jerry quoting Sarah. I decided that I would not make, I decided that I wouldn't make it easy for him, she told me in a letter. I made him work hard before I agreed to the first date with him. And then I didn't even let him kiss me good night that first time, which was totally, unlike what he was used to with other girls at the studios. She practiced being coquettish, explaining that she would first look down and then glance up furtively. She called this her, quote, proven technique.

He was very used to getting what he wanted, she explained in another letter. I played hard to get, and that was how I reeled him in. So dramatic. She reeled him in and Big John landed with a thud. So when he popped the question eventually, Sarah Jane said yes. And here's Jerry writing again. They were married in June 1965. Sarah Jane had three marriages and four children behind her.

Her parents were both alive and she had four siblings. Yet she wrote to me that on the night of his proposal, she looked up at Big John and said lovingly, You know, one of the things we have in common is that neither of us has any family. Remember that one, listener. Remember that one. Because we know that that is some bullshit coming from Sarah Jane. But what we don't know is whether or not that is true. for Big John.

Jerry goes on and recounts how Sarah Jane would brag to her friends about her big Hollywood marriage and her globe trotting alongside Big John on these fancy trips and John's fame. And she also talks about how Sarah Jane volunteered for the Senate campaign of Republican George Murphy in 1964 and later bragged about that too. But then, quote, in July 9,000. 1965, just one month after their marriage and shortly after she felt John's child quickened within her, Sarah Jane packed her bags, dumped John, and headed up the coast to San Francisco. Alone. Afterwards, she would say that she left to think things over. She distested Los Angeles and just

could not stay there a minute longer. She never gave me a clear reason why she did not like L.A., just that she could no longer live there. This is Jerry quoting Sarah Jane. We both assumed we would eventually end up back together, she wrote him. That we didn't is because of L.A. Okay, and so to wrap up the Jerry Speeler version of events, the sort of official narrative to the extent that there is an official narrative, Sarah Jane gives birth to a fifth child.

Before I talked about her three kids that she sent back to West Virginia, remember to, and I forgot to mention this in the recap, but the fourth child was a child born with a disability who Sarah Jane and her mother, Ruth, put up for adoption shortly after she was born. So that would make Frederick Alberg, Sarah Jane's fifth child born in March 1966. And Jerry kind of covers how at the very beginning of Frederick's life, John Alberg would take the boy one weekend per month,

and he would alternate those visits between San Francisco, where he would visit and stay with the child and L.A., where Sarah Jane would come on a plane with the child and take the child to visit his father. And apparently, Sarah told Jerry that she felt crushed and depressed every time that she went to L.A. And we know that these visits with John O'Urk did not last for very long, because by the following year, I think, Sarah Jane was already remarried again. in Northern California. And her fourth husband was insistent that, you know, now that they were together,

stop taking child support from Big John and, you know, kind of get Big John just out of the picture. And Frederick did not have any memory of Big John and apparently cut ties with him. Or, you know, ties between the two were cut during Frederick's infant. see. So put a pin in that. We're not going to talk about husband number four or Northern California in this episode. That's for another day. What we're going to do now is to unpack the official story that we've just read into the record, which is in our estimation both incomplete and ambiguous us in many ways, and we are going to supplement and correct that with our own findings. Yes. Yes, the plot thickens, so to speak. And just before we do, by the way, husband number one,

was it Wally Anderson? Yes, yeah, good. All right. Nice. So there you go, Wally. Wally gets the short end of the stick usually, but I'm glad at 45 minutes in it came back to me. Wally Anderson, husband number one. RIP. You don't know all me. I'm not just one of y'all, many times. Well, folks, I hate to leave you hanging, but that's where we're going to have to tie it off on the free feed this week.

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