Fourth Reich Archaeology - She Harvey Oswald pt. 4: The Sisterhood of the Traveling Aryan Brotherhood

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

We are back with another installment of our ongoing series about the two women who were convicted of attempting to assassinate President Gerald Ford in September 1975.  Picking things up where we lef...t off, we continue our focus on the first of these two ladies who shot their shot at Jerry, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme.  You will recall that Fromme emerged from the hippie counterculture of the 1960s, and more specifically, the so-called “Manson family.” As we’ve laid it out, it’s less of a cult than a criminal enterprise with hippie branding. And like any good American criminal enterprise, it has its ties to the intelligence services as well.When we last left off Charlie Manson and several of his “Manson Girls” had been sentenced to death (of course, none of them were ever executed due to an intervening Supreme Court decision placing a moratorium on the death penalty).  Fromme and the Manson Girls who were not connected to the Tate and Labianca murders had shaved her heads in solidarity, etched Xs in their forheads, and were doing all they could to further Charlie’s message and help Charlie from the outside. Including by “taking care” of the Aryan Brotherhood members who agreed to protect Charlie in prison…We will pick things up in the early days of the 1970s, with Fromme still living in L.A. alongside some of the other free Manson Girls. Meanwhile, Charlie, ever the schemer, was doing everything he could to get himself out of jail, and that included making a pact with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang.  What this meant for Fromme was that she and the other Manson Girls were left to bunk with the Aryan Brotherhood gang members who were on the outside while the whole group planned and attempted several botched prison escapes for Charlie.  What it also meant is that Fromme had effectively swapped out the hippie free love vibes that she was immersed in the late 1960s for a much more brutish and violent culture espoused by the white supremecist Aryan Brotherhood.  And so we spend much of this episode examining whether Fromme, who willingly shacked up and rubbed elbows with the Aryan Brothers, was going along with them wholly ignorant of the violence the Aryan Brotherhood left in its wake, or if she was much more attuned to what was going on than she would have you believe? Beyond the facts, we spend a good deal of time discussing the white apologetics of Americans of the baby boom generation and how well buried is the bloody and disgusting history of the highest echelons of power adopting essentially Nazi views on race and White Supremacy.  There is a lot of content in this one, so we are splitting it up into two parter.  Catch Side A for free, and subscribe to Patreon today to listen to the whole thing now! 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Our society is built on secrecy, from the front organizations which draw an impenetrable screen over the concentrated wealth of their members to the official secrets which allow the state a vast field of operation free from any legal constraint, from the often and frightening secrets of shoddy production hidden by advertising, to the projections of an extrapolated future, in which domination alone reads off the likely progress of things whose existence it denies, calculating the responses it will mysteriously make. There are ever more people trained to act in secret, prepared and practiced for that alone. There are special units armed with confidential archives, that is to say, with secret data and analysis. There are others armed with a range of techniques for the exploitation and manipulation of these secrets. And finally, there are the active units equipped with other means to simplify the problems in question.
Starting point is 00:01:23 The resources allocated to these specialists in surveillance and influence continue to increase, while general circumstances favor them more by the year. When, for example, the new conditions of integrated spectacular society have driven its critique into genuine clandestinity, not because it is in hiding, but because it is hidden by the ponderous states, management of diversionary thought. Those who are nonetheless responsible for its surveillance and in the end for its denial can now employ traditional methods for operations in clandestine milieus, provocation, infiltration, and various forms of
Starting point is 00:02:14 elimination of authentic critique in favor of a false one which will have been created for this purpose. When the spectacle's general imposture is enriched with recourse to a thousand individual impostures, uncertainty grows at every turn. An unexplained crime can also be called suicide. In prison as elsewhere, the collapse of logic allows trials and inquiries which soar into irrationality and which are frequently falsified right from the start, through absurd autopsies performed by extraordinary experts.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Thus is uncertainty organized everywhere. Often, domination will protect itself by false attacks, whose media coverage covers up the true operation. More profoundly, in this world, which is officially so respectful of economic necessities, no one ever knows this. knows the real cost of anything which is produced. In fact, the major part of the real cost is never calculated,
Starting point is 00:03:33 and the rest is kept secret. Colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or France or. or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. It's one huge complex or combine. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. And this international power structure is used to suppress
Starting point is 00:04:14 the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world and exploit them of their natural resources. We found no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic. The Warren Commission was science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to require information, which showed that there were two wars going on.
Starting point is 00:04:45 His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders the more easy victims of a big lie than a small. For example, we're the CIA. He knows so long this is... It usually takes the national crisis. Freedom can never be secure. Pearl Harbor. A lot of killers.
Starting point is 00:05:11 We've got a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? Not more than the CIA. This is Fort Reich is coming. This is Fourth Reich. This is Fourth Reich Archaeology. I'm Dick. And I'm Don.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Welcome back, listener. We're thrilled to have you with us again. And we have a phenomenal episode as advertised. it is our return to the series within a series she Harvey Oswald before we dive right in to the substance and there is a lot to cover the usual preliminaries. First of all, thank you. Thank you to all of our paid and unpaid subscribers,
Starting point is 00:06:09 especially our paid subscribers. Thank you to all who are liking the pod, rating, reviewing, and subscribing to the pod, even if you are unable to shell out that cash for a subscription, we count on you and we appreciate you for spreading the word. As a reminder, we are on Twitter and Instagram at Fourth Reich Pod, and we can always be reached via email at forthrightepod at gmail.com. I just want to echo what Don said there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for liking the pod. Thank you for subscribing to the pod. I'm just going to do my usual plead here and just plead one more time and say,
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Starting point is 00:08:11 really do rely on the word of mouth. I think it's time to do a little bit of a recap. What do you say, Don? I think that sounds like a phenomenal idea. It's been a little while, and we've actually covered quite a lot of ground already in this series. So the listener will recall that we have been exploring the life and times of the very first would-be assassin, squeaky, from me. And last time we really delved into the life of the so-called Manson family, that group that is just so famous these days. But what we were focusing on was the involvement of Squeaky in the Manson family. And we were trying to give the listener a landscape of really what was going on in the heyday of the Manson family from the summer of 1967.
Starting point is 00:09:11 until the mass arrests in October, 1969, for the murders, the Tate La Bianca murders that had taken place in August of that year. And if you recall, we were having a little bit of a tough go trying to parse out what really happened. And so as much as we could, we were giving you a breakdown of what was going on in that. time period and we found ourselves fighting competing narratives from parties that were involved and it became increasingly difficult to actually lay down what the hell really happened in the Manson family's heyday but we did our best we talked about how the first person narratives of the family story which we ultimately must rely on right because we don't really have many other sources we talked about how these narratives they it's really difficult to weave them
Starting point is 00:10:21 together to put together something that is comprehensible something that is reliable certainly something that's internally coherent with itself right totally and it's the reasoning for all of this is that it's pretty easy to see that all of these stories, they come from these self-interested convicted criminals. And they all have this strong interest in exculpating themselves from many of the untold, uncharged crimes that they committed in their criminal network. So, of course, whatever it was that we were able to pick up, we sort of took with a grain of salt. And of course, here on Fourth Reich archaeology, we don't give the cops a great deal more cred than we do the criminals themselves. So the narrative coherence superimposed over the story by Vince
Starting point is 00:11:23 Bugliosi in his bestseller Helter Skelter is also not a nail that you could hang your hat on in making sense of the events around Manson. and then add on top of all of that all the drugs that these people were doing right these folks were pretty messed up most of the time on acid or weed or booze or whatever and god only knows how much of it they actually believed and how much of it they were actually misremembering or you know partially remembering or what was going on so not the most reliable narrators we had. But to talk about what really happened, I mean, we did as sort of a big picture follow the Manson family as they moved down from San Francisco through Northern California in their
Starting point is 00:12:19 magical mystery tour, so to speak, and ultimately settled in Los Angeles and the outskirts of Los Angeles. We discussed how the Manson family found a friend in Beach Boys Dennis Wilson and how they actually shacked up with Wilson for many months and then eventually moved to the Spawn Movie Ranch. We also discussed how this concept of Helter Skelter came to be and the family's bizarre racial apocalyptic fantasies. Now as we follow Squeaky into the 1970s and into that period of her life spent away from her beloved Charlie, often living with and among members of the wait for it, Aryan Brotherhood Prison Gang. We will keep our focus this week on racial politics at that key inflection point that
Starting point is 00:13:26 hit the United States and indeed the world at the end of the 1960s and well into the 1970s. and I would say even persist today. Yeah, I mean, we are still living in this world. We are still living in the integrated spectacle. We also talked in the last episode how notice where these residences are, right? In the home of a beach boy that was in turn purchased from the great entertainer Will Rogers there on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, California, and the Spawn Movie Ranch, of course, was once a set for the westerns and the TV mythologizing imagery that made up the mental landscape of that boomer generation, the first
Starting point is 00:14:24 ever generation to grow up with television in the home. and how all of the events in which Squeaky and Charlie and their whole cohort take part are not the sort of original and radical and even innocent or naive theatrics that are really romanticized in the public imaginary even till today. with the sort of hippie-dippy aesthetic making up such an attractive component. I mean, just look, for example, at the roving music festival crowd that still travels from town to town adopting this identical, nearly identical aesthetic as what the flower children of the late 60s were promulgating.
Starting point is 00:15:31 And so the role of spectacle has remained front and center, and it will now. And indeed, in many ways, we can think about that as we consider how the two protagonists of the Shee Harvey Oswald series within a series, talking about Squeaky on the one hand, and a woman we've not quite introduced too deeply just yet, the enigmatic Sarah Jane Moore, reflect two sides of the same spectacular counter-revolutionary coin. So on the one hand, we have Squeaky, who's a real stand-in for what you might call the carrot of counter-revolution on offer at the end of the 1960s from the organized forces of capital, of which the deep state, the police, et cetera, are only one arm.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Now, what I mean by the carrot of counter-revolution is the promise, the attractive draw of individualism, of atomized consumeristic individualism that inverted the anti-consumerism from which the whole countercultural ethos emerged in the first place that was in many ways a reaction to the materialism of post-war 1950s culture,
Starting point is 00:17:13 your sort of Betty Crocker white picket fence culture that we talked so much about, in our first squeaky episode in the series. And in the late 60s and into the 70s, we see this hippie retreat from consumer society getting commodified itself in real time. The tools of mass marketing, get their little claws on hippiedom.
Starting point is 00:17:45 They mass produce the aesthetics of the hippie, lifestyle and convert them into things like clothing, like movies, music, and more goods on offer to the still growing suburban middle class. So while there's maybe an initial generation paving its own way early on, very, very quickly that becomes hoovered up by the system and converted into not a lifestyle, not much less a countercultural lifestyle, but a basket of goods, so to speak. Totally. And if you just fast forward to today, if anyone's having trouble comprehending what we're talking about, take a look at the Coachella Music Festival every year, where it's essentially thousands of people playing hippie for a weekend. Yeah, exactly. And
Starting point is 00:18:49 proliferating all of their imagery on the platform of a fascist, Mark Zuckerberg, right? Right. It's downstream from Instagram now is this lifestyle. And it reflects really the culmination of this process whereby the potential for the type of spiritual revolution that the gurus of that era were talking. about which of course focused on love and peace and ending the wars and sharing our goods and not wasting needlessly and embodying that ethos through experimentation in communal living right all of those fundamental values that hippiedom supposedly purportedly stood for were systematically undermined through this commodification, through the proliferation and dominance of drugs within those
Starting point is 00:20:01 lifestyles. You can't really think too much about causing a spiritual revolution when you're fucked up literally 24 hours a day. And there's, of course, the book, um, Drugs is a weapon against us, kind of gets into this. May Brussels used to talk a lot about this back in the day on her radio program. But it's not only the commodification and the proliferation of drugs, it's also, and this is going to be a big focus of today's show, the enmeshment of these communal, experimental communities in criminal networks. just like the Manson family that became less of a commune and much less a cult and more of a mafia more of a criminal enterprise a racketeering node in a larger map of the illicit exchange of not only drugs but also human beings and whatever else you know pornography, sex,
Starting point is 00:21:19 etc. And so this spectacle of the Manson murders puts a real exclamation mark on this spectacular process, on this shit-coating sciop that we might use that phrase to refer to this process in shorthand, essentially to send a message loud and clear that if you see somebody with long hair, if you see somebody that's questioning the social norms of materialist consumerist society, if you see somebody protesting the war, you know, keep your distance because that person might break into your house one night totally at random and butcher you to death with your own cutlery just like the Manson followers did over there in the Hollywood Hills
Starting point is 00:22:20 at the dawn of the 70s lessons had been learned about how the system crushes its opponents and radical leftists this is of course inspired by what their third world comrades fighting in imperialism in the global south were doing and the whole process is sort of inspired by what was going on in other countries
Starting point is 00:22:42 because these folks started going underground and looking to clandestine arms struggle as the means to a revolutionary social and political change. Yeah, and clandestinity made a lot of sense because, remember, by the end of the 1960s, the traditional paths to social change, let's say, had been slammed closed with so many, fatal bullets or other means of inflicting death, right? JFK was killed in 63, Malcolm X was killed in 65, RFK and Martin Luther King were killed in 68, Fred Hampton as well, and many more people, less famous, had been assassinated or murdered by the police or killed in skirmishes or race riots or whatever. And on the cultural front as well, there were all of these overdose deaths that were so spectacular in their own right, right? One being purely symbolic, the Beatles broke up.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Janice Joplin died of an overdose. Jimmy Hendricks, other countercultural icons with these high-profile deaths from drugs at the same. time that Richard Nixon comes in announces his war on drugs, which subsequently was revealed was always a pretext for locking up countercultural people and civil rights activists and anyone else that could be lumped in as a criminal due to their adjacency to drug using identity groups. And so it became clear through all of this that the tuning in, turning on, and dropping out that Timothy Leary so famously recommended the youth do to bring about social change was not going to work. It wasn't going to ease the racial tensions in the country,
Starting point is 00:25:02 much less bring about racial justice. And it wasn't. going to end the war. That is the context in which our next would be assassin, an older lady by the name of Sarah Jane Moore. That's where she made her political awakening in the mid-1970s. But that is a story for another day. Today, we will track the political and cultural transition from the relatively innocent 1960s into the dark and decadent 70s.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Through the eyes of the woman, we've now followed for two episodes, Squeaky Frommi. And with that, let's get digging. Los Angeles and the country were shocked to learn of a brisly trail of murders which included the death of the actress Sharon Tate. A bizarre national and international sensation attracting the attention of everyone from President Nixon to the curious people who sit in the courtroom where the case is being heard. Some people are so interested that they get to the courthouse at 4 a.m., 6 hours before the court convenes each day. Most of them are young, and many of them come here because they want to see for themselves. Charles Manson and his world followers are really alike.
Starting point is 00:26:28 I hear about all these things that are happening in there, and I'm not so sure that they're true, so I want to say. I want to say? Yeah, everybody's making the farce, the lawyers, the DA. It's really absurd. It means that what they used to be. It means that what they used to be. So when we last left off, Charlie and his girls had been sentenced to death, and committed to state custody pending execution. Of course, none of that would actually happen, thanks to the California Supreme Court's 1972 decision, vacating all capital sentences.
Starting point is 00:27:30 There was a moratorium on the death penalty, so Charlie and his girls got to live. Lynn, meanwhile, she had shaved her head in solidarity with the defendants and carved a big fat X into her forehead. To X herself out of a society, she condemned as unjust. And she became the leader of the other girls and guys who were not on trial, who were not in jail. And she became the spokeswoman for the family to the newsmeet. But the spotlight did not shine on the Manson family for long after the defendants were sentenced and put in prison. And in the early days of 1970, 1971, Lynn and her comrades, they still held out hope that they might bust their beloved Charlie and their family that had been placed in the state-owned human cages.
Starting point is 00:28:29 they had hopes to bust them out and resume their weird doomsday prep activities. Indeed, to aid them in this work, the always pimping Charlie had made a pact with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang, whereby the Aryan Brotherhood would have access to Charlie's girls, either as pen pals while they were incarcerated, or as sexual partners upon their release in exchange for protecting and helping Charlie's operations. By 1970, the Aryan Brotherhood was a force within the 30-foot high walls of Folsom.
Starting point is 00:29:14 The gang managed to stay off the radar of prison officials, but it was I new talent. Now, I'm going to play some clips that I've added in post-production from a national, Geographic produced quote-unquote documentary about the history of the Aryan Brotherhood, and it is just so outrageous. I hope that somewhere Guy Debord can appreciate this spectacle, especially considering that National Geographic rose to prominence as having this role in the colonial mentality of the imperial core that views the rest of the world through that exoticizing, objectifying, dehumanizing lens, and reinforces the perceived racial superiority of the American whites.
Starting point is 00:30:24 and now it is putting forth this narrative about the way in which these prison gangs came into existence, completely ignoring and invisibleizing and erasing the prominent, if not dominant role that corrections officers and prison officials who in turn are, in turn, are infiltrated by federal agencies, intelligence agencies, and all the little fingers of the powers behind the curtain, as we refer to them, right, the invisible moneyed interests that actually control the government and the narratives that dominate our discourse. we here on Fourth Reich Archaeology are doing our best to break that dominance a little bit and laughing at this fucking bullshit is one way to do so. So hope you enjoy.
Starting point is 00:31:39 They also allowed the Aryan Brotherhood to dominate prisons for decades and gave them such power that the most feared man in America came to them for protection. In 172, Charles Manson is transferred to Folsom Prison from San Quentin's death row after the California Supreme Court declares the death penalty unconstitutional. Are you saying? Same? That's relative. Manson arrives afraid, fearing attacks by black inmates, he wants to join the AB for protection. The brand says no.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Despite their violent reputation, the Aryan Brotherhood does have a coach. of honor. The crime that Manson committed were offensive to the Aaron Brotherhood. Sharon Tate had a baby in her body. That is one of the rules. You don't kill children. You don't kill innocent people. Even with their contempt for his crimes, Michael Thompson and the brand look at Manson and
Starting point is 00:32:36 see dollar signs. Thompson says they began using Manson's cult of women followers to smuggle in contraband. So you keep Charlie close and you keep them under your wing and you keep him protected because you have access to his girls who have actions. to the weapons and things that you want including drugs the Brotherhood smuggling operation is almost derailed Michael Thompson claims Folsom officials installed metal detectors but he says he found a way to beat them using a special weave of electrical tape so I had them wrap these weapons with this specific weave and
Starting point is 00:33:10 secrete them in their vagina and come into Folsom and visit us and give them to us in the visiting room and then we would keister stash them and erect them and take them back in pretty soon we were fighting with buck knives as opposed to old scrap iron off the bunk and what was sort of the biggest scheme don what was like the biggest thing they were sort of shooting for as they headed into the summer of 1971 i mean to bust out of jail there was this guy who was an prominent Aryan brother that was kind of rising the ranks among the reputed brave prisoners of that gang at the time, a guy by the name of Curly. And so Curly and Charlie, they were going to get out and they were going to resume life in the desert. And so in summer 1971, the opportunity presented itself when there was another murder trial going on in Los Angeles.
Starting point is 00:34:21 That was the murder trial of Spawn Ranch employee Shorty Shea. Shorty Shea was a former stuntman who may have been the basis for the Brad Pitt character in a movie made by that perverted genocide apologist Quentin Tarantino. But Shorty Shea was murdered on the grounds or thereabouts of the Spawn Ranch and was, I think, taken to a remote location where his remains remained hidden for a long period of time. Eventually, they're followed, so this murder that happened way back in 69 isn't coming to trial until 1971 and the kind of main new defendant that was brought in for that murder was a guy by
Starting point is 00:35:18 the name of Clem Grogan who was a runaway youth who had joined up with the mansons back in the day and was close with the whole crew so for this trial they were going to bring down to L.A. all of the other Manson adjacent folks that were involved in the murder and that were witnesses of some sort or another, including Charlie Manson, who, you know, he's brought back down from prison down to the jail. And for our listeners who are not aware, you know, jails are urban. the L.A. Hall of Justice is right there in downtown, much more accessible than a prison, which typically is located out in the countryside, surrounded by higher security. Yeah, much harder to get out of prison than it is to get out of jail.
Starting point is 00:36:25 So the plan was use this opportunity and bust Charlie out. And so in preparation, for this operation, the guy Curley, who had himself recently escaped, teamed up with the remaining members of the family and did a little crime spree because they were building themselves an arsenal to use for their big escape plan. And one of the pieces of that puzzle was to rob a gun store, aptly called the Western Surplus Store, got a kick out of that, in Hawthorne in Los Angeles. And Lynn was not on that crew that went and hit the gun store, once again, keeping her hands squeaky clean from this criminal activity. But suffice it to say, the Hawthorne raised,
Starting point is 00:37:34 did not go off well. It ended in a shootout with the cops. One of the Manson girls' Gypsy got shot with a shotgun blast, non-fatally, but demobilized. And Curley, meanwhile, was arrested and taken back into custody. But the family was undeterred. First, they wanted to bust out Curley again so that he could once again lead them in their raid to bust out Charlie. I went to the L.A. Hall of Justice, and Curley, I mean, the guy seems like a pretty wily operator. Gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood have made escape from restraints into an art form. Any convict worth of assault is going to have access to a handcuff key.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Anything that can open a set of handcuffs. An inmate showed me an Aaron Brotherhood guy that you could put it in your nose and sniff it up and it goes into your nasal cavity so guards can search you all they want and never find it he was able to cut himself out of his 13th floor window and using makeshift ropes made from his sheets he descended all the way down 13 floors to find allegedly Squeaky Fromey and another Manson girl by the name of Brenda waiting for him in a getaway car. And they dropped Curley off allegedly at a rendezvous point where he was picked up by Manson Girl Sandy Good and she was driving the family van. Now that was not an ideal choice of vehicle because it was easily recognizable and well known to local authorities.
Starting point is 00:39:32 So it didn't take too long that cops gave chase, van crashed into a tree, and Curley was caught in a tool shed after running through Hollywood streets and backyards on foot against 40 cops that had been deployed to fan out in search and you could imagine it was quite a scene helicopters overhead with search lights you know the whole nine yards another Manson family spectacle and another debacle for everyone except our old friend Lynn right our old friend Squeaky. So what happened to Squeaky? Well, Squeaky was arrested sometime later in Silver Lake, but she was released promptly thereafter and no charges were filed. Sandy was sentenced to six months for aiding the escape, and that is pretty much the sort of the penalties that the girls
Starting point is 00:40:44 faced. And we tell this story to mark yet another instance of the catch and release in Squeaky Story. On the one hand, this could simply reflect that she had the chops to talk herself out of sticky situations or she had some superior intelligence and the ability to smooth over any problems and to keep herself cordoned off from the family's riskier criminal activities. Remember that mafia bend that we were talking about, the family of course had criminal activities but also had more of a squeaky clean front which squeaky was taking over so this could have been that but it also could signify some sort of informant role nothing else in the squeaky stories suggests that she
Starting point is 00:41:43 provided any actionable information to the authorities but it does raise eyebrows that here once again, squeaky is caught and released. Yeah, and just something to have in the back of your mind, both with respect to this little vignette as well as the bigger picture, in this atmosphere of the early 1970s, especially in California that was really the focal point, the center of the counter-revolutionary rollback of the counterculture of the 60s. We've got the FBI running Co-Intel Pro at its height. I believe it was the biggest FBI operation ever launched in terms of manpower and budget and scope. You also have the CIA's Operation Chaos going at the same time and overlapping with Cointel Pro, which is
Starting point is 00:42:53 targeting the same sorts of groups under the auspices of tagging them with some sort of foreign connections or something that could create a national security issue. And so with all of this that had a willing tool in the form of the LAPD and the other law enforcement agencies local there, like the L.A. County Sheriff's Department that is famously known as a hotbed of white supremacist gang activity in and of itself in the L.A. sheriffs, right? underneath that umbrella of law enforcement, the lines between an informant, an asset, a target, or just a dangle, you know, a piece of bait to kind of watch as it moves around on the chessboard outside, those lines are not at all clearly drawn. And so both with respect to Squeaky Fromey and, as we'll get into in future episodes with Sally Moore, Sarah Jane Moore, it's worth wondering and just pondering the question whether and where at any given point in time she falls on that spectrum. Now, like you, Dick, I don't think that Squeaky was squeaking to the cops. I don't think she was squeaky in the sense of being a rat, because if for no other reason, she was totally indoctrinated by Charlie Manson.
Starting point is 00:44:46 I don't have any doubt about her mental and spiritual fealty to Charlie Manson. And if there's one principle, that Charlie Manson actually stood for more than any of the peace and love bullshit or any of the helter-skelter crap it was the principle of no snitching and so I really don't think that Squeaky was ratting on her friends
Starting point is 00:45:15 but what is plausible to me is that she was being used as some kind of a dangle as some kind of a tracker like a barium trace, right? When you get an x-ray of your innards and you drink that liquid that shows up on the screen. And that would make sense given her nature as kind of a harmless, less threatening type of a person, a less violently inclined person. and it would also make sense given her high visibility with her bright red hair, her big X scratched onto her forehead, etc. So bear that in mind, you know, it's a little bit unclear, but it's a possibility at least.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Yeah, eventually Squeaky and the other girls stopped trying to orchestrate prison breaks. they tired themselves out one failed prison break after the other and they turned in favor of a more quiet life and Squeaky herself dedicated much of her life at this point to writing her memoirs of the family I've been thinking about writing a book or a sort of memoir
Starting point is 00:46:45 the same memoirs of course that would eventually be published under the title Reflexion in 2018 after her release from prison now the manuscript had a funny image funny little icon on the on the title on the title card on the on the front page of the manuscript Squeaky opted to have a very interesting image Don do you want to tell the folks what it was that was on the on the manuscript originally Well, yeah, if you are...
Starting point is 00:47:22 It's actually pretty timely. Right, I was going to say, you may have seen this image on the chest of your favorite epic socialist marine slash blackwater employee turned progressive Senate candidate. Socialist slash national socialist. Yeah, that's right. just like Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner's chest tattoo, Squeaky's book cover, at least her growing collection of pages, was bound under cover bearing the Tottenkopf, the death's head symbol so popularized by the Waffen SS, particularly the Einzatzgruppen, the real extermination units of the SS.
Starting point is 00:48:19 And just like Graham Platner, though, I'm sure that Squeaky picked the Tottenkopf symbol for progressive reasons or just because she thought it looked cool. Or maybe, more likely, she picked it up because she was hanging around with the fucking Aryan Brotherhood. Well, you know, you need a good attention grabber if you want to get your book published. Right, right, yeah. The men of the Brotherhood are branded with tattoos like these, showing their loyalty to the gang.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Nazi swastikas, SS lightning bolts, and Viking symbols. But the most powerful symbol of an Aryan brother was the Shamrock, often drawn with the numbers 666 woven into it. And it's funny, too, to juxtaping. pose the cover image there with the contents of the book. I have since read this book and it's like it's all about peace and love and what a eye opening and mind expanding experience they all had together from 67 to 69 when unfortunately things went wrong. Of course, her book does not get into any of that. And if it did, it would violate the no snitching principle.
Starting point is 00:49:48 So obviously, she's steering well clear of any sort of snitching in her book. But that was her life. I mean, she referred to herself as a writer in her applications for different employment or unemployment benefits, and she took it very seriously. And so she was really hunkering down. Yeah, hunkering down is a good way to put it. She was kind of living a sort of a retiree's or Manson family's version of what a retiree would do, right? Because she is still in the desert.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Well, I should say, like after Sandy Good gets out of jail, she and Lynn spend a period of time in a thruple with an Aryan brother named Steve B. And they just keep on doing acid, keep talking about riding out the coming race wars in the desert, and they keep singing Charlie's songs, right? So they're not getting up to all of the usual dirt that you would expect them to, I think, but they are sort of doing the same shit that they were doing even back in Charlie's time. So they are very much laying in wait, so to speak. And meanwhile, their music consumption, it shifts from like trippy, upbeat tunes of the Beatles. Remember, the Beatles are now on their way out. And they've opted instead for the contemplative lyrics of the Moody Blues.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Shout out to the Moody Blues. I love the Moody Blues. Their favorite song at the time, according to Biography, for Jess Bravin was America's, the band America's, horse with no name. And if the content moderators don't block us, we'll try and put a little bit of the song in here. There's the line in the song.
Starting point is 00:51:57 In the desert, you can't remember your name, for there ain't no one to give you no pain. I thought it felt it good to be out of the rain. In the desert, you can't remember your name, because there ain't no one wants to give you no pain. Yep, that's their delayed gratification set to music, right? At this time, remember, they're talking about the desert, but they're living in an apartment building in the middle of L.A. So it's kind of trying to replicate the Spawn Ranch lifestyle in an urban environment.
Starting point is 00:53:08 And rather than the hippie aesthetics, they now have these much rougher aesthetics of the Aryan Brotherhood and Aryan Brotherhood ladies who are kind of in some contractual obligation under Charlie's deal with the brothers to take care of these men who Charlie sends their way. And with respect to Steve Beacons, eventually Lynn is not really into the Thruple scene and she's not really into Steve, even though Steve was really into her. Steve and Sandy couple off on their own. And Lynn, meanwhile, is not romantically attached.
Starting point is 00:54:04 So she is working on her book. She's also serving as the administrator, essentially, of Charlie's affairs on his behalf while he is incarcerated. Now, the word from Charlie only gets to Lynn in drips and drabs through Charlie's lawyers and through the occasional letter, but his communications with the family were very much curtailed by prison. authorities at this time. And so you have sort of this build-up of frustration and of tension and of impatience with the fact that Charlie's stuck, that everybody else is spread to the wins and that, you know, you have a gang waiting the whole scene out in L.A., and that gang is not living up to the expectations created by the wonders of the past experiences that Lynn is reliving in her mind as she writes this book.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Because the people that start to come in and grow this gang are much less, let's say, wide-eyed and bushy-tailed than were the flower children that gathered around Charlie at the Spawn Ranch. So should we do a little roll call on some of these folks? I mean, besides the kind of core group here that emerges straight from Manson, you got Lynn, you got Sandy, you got Steve. You also have Brenda, remember. She was also part of that Hawthorne group, and she eventually was released as well.
Starting point is 00:56:11 So she joins up with the crew. And then the others are these outsiders who gravitate to the crew, some of which come after having heard of Charlie Manson on TV. So I could imagine the mentality of somebody, right? Like this cult leader, hippie guru, murderer, brainwashing, hypnotist. Hey, that sounds pretty cool. I think I'll move across the country and follow the people that he left behind. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Yeah, totally. But it sounds like, I mean, just it sounds like it was. basically the original Manson girls and then just a bunch of Aryan brothers. So like the girls were all the same but they swapped out some new dudes. And it seems like basically it was the Manson girls trying to train these Aryan brothers. They're trying to train these guys to take over Charlie's place as the leading men of the apocalypse. or the men of the family, right? Because, you know, when you're talking about Charlie
Starting point is 00:57:29 and you are sort of exploring his female following and his oneness and his hippie aesthetics and all of that, you got to remember that Manson was unapologetically sexist and he was openly preaching that men should. should naturally control women and that women should naturally be submissive to men. This is something that even in the beginning you could see this in Charlie, right? He was a pimp after all, right? And so there was this natural order of things that Charlie believed in and that Charlie would preach to his followers. But the men that were around,
Starting point is 00:58:22 they were not equipped to fill Charlie's shoes and they didn't really have any reason to make any effort right these are like dirt bag Aryan Brotherhood guys that don't really have any higher philosophical ideas and they were getting laid steadily they were getting taken care of steadily and you know they were getting assists in all of their criminal endeavors and so they didn't really have any motivation to do all the things that Charlie would be preaching. Yeah, you get the sense that they were just listening bemusedly to Lynn, as she very sincerely, I'm sure, attempted to educate them in Charlie Manson thought. And when you're a pair of thugs named Spider and Red Eye as the two guys that kind of joined Steve as leaders or male centerpieces of this crew,
Starting point is 00:59:31 you don't give a shit about all that crap. Especially when you're strung out on a good cocktail of heroin and speed. Yeah, and booze. And you're getting laid all the time? I mean, that's as good as it gets. Yeah, Charlie, say what you will, about his. efforts to push drugs on people, he was vociferously anti-alcohol and would try as best as he could to forbid drinking on the Spawn Ranch, if you can believe it. But in addition to being
Starting point is 01:00:08 drug addicts, these Aryan brothers, especially the guy known as Red Eye, who will become more important in a minute was an utter alcoholic, you know, the kind of guy that would drink first thing after opening his eyes in the morning or in the afternoon whenever he woke up. And so unsurprisingly, you know, living this fast life, doing robberies, living outside of the straight world, but nevertheless having to pay rent and keep an apartment etc., this band moved from place to place a few times in the city of L.A. and its various suburbs. And we don't need to get into each one of these moves, but to set the stage for the next criminal operation of this group. I think it's worth spending a quick second talking
Starting point is 01:01:15 about Lynn's final experiment in communal living with this group. So that was at an apartment in L.A. in which the group had like three floors in the same building. And so on one floor, Lynn was sharing an apartment with this married couple called the Willets. And the Willets fell into that bucket of folks who came specifically to adhere to the followers of Charlie Manson after hearing about him on the news. James Willett was an ex-Marine and his wife was a housewife and they wanted to give up the standard American pursuit of social upward mobility and drop out they had with them also a months old baby and so once again lynn the mother hen figure that she is she is staying there taking care of the baby helping out
Starting point is 01:02:34 and overseeing the operations on another floor her Manson sister Sandy Good was living with a group of other girls who were largely, again, these kind of Manson groupies that had come from different parts of the country to follow Charlie's message in California. By this point in time, Steve Beacons, who was Sandy's boyfriend, he had once again been chased out of California and had gone out on the lamb to the east coast. So he was not in the picture.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Then another floor down from that, there was yet another Manson family apartment. That one was shared by Brenda, the original Manson girl. So each floor had kind of their original, O.G. Mansing girl keeping tabs on things. And Brenda's scene was really the, what you might call the Aryan brother crash pad. So Brenda was staying with spider, with red eye, and with whichever other Aryan brothers needed a place to crash at any given time, whether upon release from
Starting point is 01:04:02 prison, whether in transit, or whether on the lamb from the law. And that scene blows up in June of 1972. Yeah, so after being out on the lamb for quite some time, in June of 1972, Steve comes back from the East Coast to pick up Sandy and move with her to Oregon. At this time, Lynn moved back to where it all started, the city of San Francisco. once again to be near Charlie, who was then residing in the infamous San Quentin Penitentiary. And as for the rest of the crew, they just kept up their crime spree around the state of California.
Starting point is 01:04:57 And this is, so these guys, they weren't the cleverest of criminals. Steve was arrested as a fugitive, and Sandy was eventually picked up for harboring a fugitive sometime later. Yeah, I think he went back to his hometown in Oregon, so it was like not exactly the best place to hide. Right. It's like, this will obviously happen when you have everybody is like high and drunk all the time, right? These bumbling criminals who are just nonstop hopped up on drugs, on speed, on heroin, and they are, you know, pretty much ready to self-destruct at any moment. I'm surprised they got as far as they did.
Starting point is 01:05:40 I can't even imagine what they would be like today, right? Could you imagine these folks operating in the surveillance state? They're like, they would get caught before they even started. Yeah, I mean, it's, we hate to plug the surveillance state. But it's, but it's. supporters, I think, would say, and they wouldn't be wrong in so saying that this shit would never happen, you know. Yeah, right. Exactly. So then eventually by October of 1972, the more seasoned criminals in the group, and that would be Spider and Red Eye, and another one of their
Starting point is 01:06:25 Aryan brothers named Bill Goucher, they got paranoid and they murdered James Willett. Now, Willett was an ex-Marine-turned Manson-loving bank robbing Aryan Brotherhood adjacent hippie that they had suspected of snitching thanks to a tip that they got from Willett's wife. That's fucked. Oh, snap. Yeah, they killed James Willett and they left him in a shallow grave in the woods of Northern California where shortly thereafter animals exhumed his corpse. It was like within a week, animals drag his body out of the shallow grave.
Starting point is 01:07:11 And I think it's important to say here, too, that Lynn wasn't with them at this time. Yeah, that whole crew, what you might call the Aryan brother floor of the apartment crew, right, with Brenda and the boys, those guys were on their own. they were not putting down roots really between June and October until they just rented a cabin somewhere so that they could do this quick murder in the woods and then blow town again. And after they did blow town from that woodland area, they sought to lay low for a bit
Starting point is 01:07:55 in the city of Stockton, California. that's about 30 miles south of Sacramento, and that contingent of the gang, including Rennie Willett, James Willett's widow, and their baby, those guys all moved in together into this house in Stockton that they rented, and here is where we get yet another mysterious happening. Here is where Squeaky Fromey comes back into the picture, and indeed it is the closest call yet between Squeaky Frommi and the long arm of the law, of course, up to and until her eventual arrest
Starting point is 01:08:49 on charges of attempting to assassinate President Gerald Ford. But over, but some two years, before the Gerald Ford quote-unquote attempt, Squeaky Fromey was taken in for a murder, the murder of Rennie Willett, the widow of James Willett, at the group house in Stockton. And this murder, which we're going to go into some detail about, and Lynn's behavior around it, give us yet another kaleidoscopic look at that question we posed earlier as to whether Squeaky was just an innocent front company insulated from the criminal life of the mob figures around her, or whether she was some kind of a wily operator,
Starting point is 01:09:51 running the gang on behalf of intelligence, perhaps. I think that's unlikely, as we hinted before, but you never know. Or the third option, which is, at least from my point of view, my preferred way of viewing things, even though I admit it is speculative, that Squeaky was some kind of an asset witting or more likely unwitting with a role to play in the bigger picture
Starting point is 01:10:28 of the counter-revolution of the light 1960s and 1970s. And if indeed Squeaky did play some role like that, I think it's quite likely that even she didn't understand. But to ponder this question, we will now delve in to the murder in Stockton. Well, listener, I'm afraid that does it for side A of this installment of our series within a series, she Harvey Oswald. If you'd like to access the full versions of all installments of this series, head on over to patreon.com
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