Fourth Reich Archaeology - Technofascism with Jacob Silverman

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

This week, we are thrilled to welcome a very special guest, journalist and author Jacob Silverman. Jacob’s writing focuses on the tech industry; particularly on the political activism of tech billionaires and their collective efforts to buy the U.S. government and instrumentalize it in support of their nefarious fascist worldview.  His forthcoming book, “Gilded Rage: Elon Musk and the Radicalization of Silicon Valley” could not be coming out at a more timely moment, and you can (and should!) preorder it here. You should also follow Jacob on Substack: https://substack.com/@jacobsilverman and on Twitter @SilvermanJacob. He has his finger on the pulse of the oft-confusing goings-on of the technofascist takeover and you’d be wise to track his analysis. In our conversation, we talk about the current state of play a couple weeks into the Trump administration and zoom out to consider how we got here, what the historical precedents for the present moment are, and what we - the disgusted spectators watching it all unfold from the left - might do to prevent the technofascist dystopia from culminating its conquest of our lives. The subject matter is grim, and we’ve tried to end on a light note with an Angleton’s Orchids original song to play us out.  We hope you enjoy! Let us know what you think at [e-mail], follow us on Twitter and Instagram @fourthreichpod, and, if you’re inclined to give us a hand in ramping up our operations, sign up as a Patron here. 

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bounced Pong style through the bodies of JFK and Texas Governor John Connolly on November 22nd, 1963. We'll report those findings next week, and when we return to the Warren Commission Decided series. But today, we are once again joined by a very special guest, and a very timely guest at that. It's independent journalist, author, and podcast guest extraordinaire Jacob Silverman, whose forthcoming book, Gilded Rage, Elon Musk and the Radicalization of Silicon Valley, has the techno-fascist hypocrites upping their ketamine dosages as we, the noided tech watchers and political spectators sharpen up our rhetorical pitchforks in eager anticipation. We invited Jacob on the pod to have a go at untangling the ongoing pillaging of the U.S. government by a marauding band of billionaire bandits.

As we are wont to do on Fourth Reich Archaeology, we are not trying to repeat what other podcasts have done, including in the many wonderful podcast appearance. that Jacob has been making in recent weeks and months, and so we try to zoom out a little bit and situate the current crisis in the context of its many precedents over the course of the American century, dating from the 1929 stock market crash that precipitated the New Deal to the BCCI banking crisis of the 80s

all the way up to the 2008, financial crisis. We consider how we got here, what the hell is going on, and what our prospects may be for capitalizing on this crisis from the left. I hope you'll enjoy this conversation, and we sure are grateful to Jacob for sharing his time with us. We are also always hungry for your feedback. So please let us know what you think of this and our other interview episodes via email at forthrightepod at gmail.com or on social media at forthrightepod and if you like what you hear please like subscribe rate review and consider donating at our patreon to help us build capacity to do even more now without further ado

Let's get digging. John is in a basement, mixing up the medicine. I'm on a pavement thinking about the government. The man in a transcode batch out laid off says he's got a bad cough wants to get a paid off. Look out of gear. They keep it all hit. Better jump down a manhole like yourself a candle.

Don't wear sandals. I try to forge the scandals. Don't want to be a bum. You better chew gum. The pump don't work because the vandal's took the handle. All right. Well, we are once again thrilled here on Fourth Reich Archaeology to be joined by a phenomenal guest, one who has predictably been making all of the rounds of late, given the takeover of the United States federal government by a band of marauding techno-fascists. And our guest can correct me if he disagrees with that appellation, but our guest today is none other than Jacob Silverman, the independent journalist, author, and Maven, of all things,

technological, and especially that nexus between the tech and the fascism. So welcome, Jacob. Thanks for having me. We've been looking forward to this for quite a while, and I think it couldn't be more timely. I appreciate it. I'm a loyal listener, so I'm glad to be here. Oh, well, that is a true honor, and we are grateful to have you as such. Thank you very much. And I think that we see things in a very similar way. So this should be a good one. I thought that for this conversation, we would take things in a little bit of a different direction than some of the interviews

who've been giving on other podcasts. However, of course, our listeners should check out Jacob's appearances on sibling podcasts like True Anon and Coexist Inc with Friend of the Pod, Isaac Eager. So today I thought we would zoom out a little bit and look at how, we got here, what is really going on? I think there's a lot of missing the forest for the trees given just the fire hose that we've all been drinking from in the news lately, and then talk about where could we go? Maybe how can we get out of the doom and gloom that the present pushes us into. So first, you know, I think one thing that we've all observed in the first weeks of the

Trump administration is that he has this coterie of broadly writ tech interests. But they're not a total conglomeration. And so I thought we'd start the conversation under the umbrella of sort of of how did we get here by breaking things down a little bit. So Jacob, maybe you could give your insights in kind of what are the different factional interests that make up this block of Trump whispering tech billionaires, and how do they relate to one another? Sure. So what I've been focusing on broadly is just the rise of the tech right, of course, in relation to the last election, and over the last 10 years, there's certainly a deep history

of conservatism, of right-wing thought, of alliance with the security state and national defense in tech in Silicon Valley. I mean, that's where it comes from. But I've been focused on kind of more recent history in this reactionary right-wing turn. So we have to start with Elon Musk, who, of course, helped Trump by the presidency. And in some ways, Musk, I think, is a late entrant to politics or sort of late as being a political animal, but he is a part of the PayPal Mafia, which I often quote Max Schaifkin, who wrote a biography of Peter Thiel called the contrarian, and Max calls the PayPal Mafia first and foremost a political network before it was before being a business network. And I think that's true, and I think that in some ways,

Musk is acting out an extension of what a lot of people in the PayPal Mafia, Teal and others have wanted, but in more sort of histrionic and bold-faced terms.

And so, in some ways, this is about the anti-state project of Peter Teal, the presiding spirit of, like, Silicon Valley, right-wing authoritarianism. and it's also about Musk and then his alliance with various other VCs and tech executives like Andresen Horowitz

who's sort of performing the Goldman Sachs role for this administration in terms of just seeding the administration with a lot of staffers and we can talk about how A16Z has become more of a kind of nationalist jingoistic venture capital firm designed to really self-consciously create a new military tech industrial complex. And then there are other main figures like Sam Altman from OpenAI, who has desperately tried to pivot towards Trump, old friend Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and people like Larry Ellison, who is sometimes overlooked, the Oracle founder and like OG security state contractor who believes in mass AI surveillance for everyone. These are all important people in that Trump orbit. Yeah. And one thing I was curious to get your take on is you do have

this Stargate project that Trump has launched. And he had, I think it was Sam Altman from Open AI, Larry Ellison, who trying to look young and hip. was sporting some very diabolical facial hair and he does have a much younger wife okay yeah so well i guess you know maybe the dye job is good enough for her but it it was kind of funny that you'd think um he could do a little better job of rejuvenating his appearance uh but it you've also seen Elon Musk taking pot shots at Sam Altman and at Open AI a lot? Yeah. What do you think?

What's going on there? Sure. Yeah, I've been thinking about writing a piece, a focus on their sort of rivalry, but, you know, it's clear that Musk hates Altman. He, he, Musk, at least on paper, helped found Open AI and thinks that Altman turned away from some of the ideas of early open AI, especially the nonprofit kind of research-driven nature of it that was supposedly supposed to guide it.

But given Musk's own development of XAI and GROC as on similar terms, I don't really understand entirely what the beef is, but there is active litigation there. They are suing. I think it's more just that part of the issue is that, you know, if open AI is to be transnational,

transformed into this for-profit company, which Must didn't really want. He certainly doesn't want Altman to be in charge and be reaping all the rewards. And in this Stargate project, there's perhaps a sense in which OpenAI kind of occupies that X-AI slot. X-A-I gets some attention, and certainly GROC does, especially now than the last few weeks or month or two, they've really integrated into the X experience, kind of for everyone. but Musk has one of the biggest computing clusters

of NVIDIA chips anywhere in the world in this new data center in Memphis, which itself is sort of mired in local municipal corruption and he's sucking up all the electricity and the water and all that. Not to mention the dark energies of the Bass

Pro Shop pyramid of Memphis. And he is in this, of course, for profit and to expand his portfolio of government contracts. And one of the people he kind of hates most and really despises Sam Altman is suddenly very obsequiously sucking up to Trump and absorbing or taking up this role as the AI startup guy aligned with the administration.

Yeah, so he just doesn't want any competitors to his dominance now that he's got he sees himself as like Trump the Trump man Trump's right hand yeah and there's a lot of money potentially in play here I mean what what will actually happen with the Stargate project I'm not entirely sure I mean I think they are building stuff and you have Sam Altman posting photos saying beautiful buildings and but the money being talked about is so wide ranging a hundred billion dollars to five hundred billion dollars I mean granted you know as Satya Nadella said on CNBC, I think, he said, I'm good for my 80 billion. Like, yeah, he's not joking.

Because Musk was saying that Altman doesn't have the 19 billion or so that he's supposed to put in. But he's probably about to, thanks to SoftBank, which is basically just a pass-through for the Saudis. So that was another thing that Musk was calling out Altman for publicly claiming, hey this guy doesn't actually have the billions of dollars to put into this but he soon might because altman his one talent seems to be fundraising kind of very much like adam newman with we work and soft bank just able to talk sovereign wealth funds and and rich people out of tens of billions of dollars somehow um so i don't know how that will eventually break i mean it'll be interesting i think if the AI bubble pops in a concerted way anytime sooner this year say like whether it's provoked by

deep seek and other market actions or a market downturn or not like they are about to put in a ton of money into all this stuff when the main competitor in China just showed you could potentially do it for a fraction of the cost yeah I think you raise an interesting point here with the horizon of the bubble. And it's, I think, anybody that observes this stuff seriously, and I even saw circulating J.P. Morgan analyst report talking about Tesla that, like, we do not understand why the stock is doing so well, but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the company's prospects for growth. So the secret is kind of getting out about how fake all this stuff is.

But at the same time, and you mentioned Sam Altman's main skill set is fundraising, but that's kind of where we're at in society at large seems to me is elevating this set of skills of basically defrauding people into giving up mass sums of money for the purpose of inflating the next bubble. Kind of always been the M.O. of capitalism, but even more so now, the amounts get bigger and the substance behind it gets smaller. And I wonder, like, how far down the road can they kick this stuff? And just thinking about what table scraps can this billionaire class throw down to the masses that will keep them satisfied and will keep the Trumps and his sort of court of Saduman in power?

that those are all good points and good questions i mean i think this is something i've written about in my writing and you know i don't claim i'm first to this but i've written about and and is part of my next book which is that you know there hasn't been a lot of innovation necessarily or even productive economic activity in the tech world i mean they're still making billions of dollars on ads and surveillance and data collection but you know i've written a lot about crypto but there's so much that's just even in the the broader economy that feels from the last decade it just feels like financial engineering

or you know there was someone i forget who was i think it was someone on choppo one of their guests last year had this comment and like the key to success is being able to like borrow 10 billion dollars and never having to pay it back and i feel like someone like adam newman again is the is the exemplar of that like or even someone in the more in the more recently in the political cycle like Vivek Ramoswamy, whose fortune is basically owed to first a brief career in private equity and then kind of this series of financial engineered startups to reap huge gains off of very little economic return. And I feel like you see that happening all over, that nothing, the sense that things are

fake and that the people with a lot of money are doing so by, basically getting away with fraud or by just kind of financial engineering that has a veneer of legality, but certainly doesn't feel in any way productive or innovative or as you were getting at the end there, beneficial to the larger masses. I mean, I think this is one of the problems or vulnerabilities for crypto, like, and even for some of this AI stuff, is the lack of mass appeal. AI has a larger appeal. There are more potential use cases here. corporate America is really in love with it for various reasons, but even if it's not always good or good for workers.

But they have not been able to sell people on this stuff to the extent that they need to to ring any profit out of either the crypto bubble or the AI bubble. But the sort of issue or complicating factor is that now those bubbles are being inflated or propelled or prolonged, actually, buy the U.S. government. I mean, Trump has several crypto businesses, more every week, it seems, and is going to probably buy some sort of national crypto stockpile and just do everything that the crypto industry wants to give them their own bespoke regulatory regime and allow this

bubble to last longer than it ever had a right to. And I think the same thing might be said about AI, which is a much bigger bubble and more far-reaching and already being in a into a lot of industries and workflows and again some of this stuff works for certain purposes some not some sort of works in the sense that it further kind of grinds workers into dust or exploits efficiencies out of them but there is going to be a collapse and it'll probably be more painful because it will have U.S. government money and involvement especially if they're investing in things like this 500 billion dollar Stargate program yeah I mean I think that seems to me to be what's going on with these little clan of teenagers that Musk has sent

into the Treasury Department and the government to start locking government employees out and basically stealing massive amounts of data. As far as I can tell, that's really what they're doing. And what seems novel about this is, that there's no criminal enforcement mechanism or even a regulatory enforcement mechanism to call this behavior a crime when it's done under the auspices of a government elected into power.

And I'll say what my fear is in terms of the horizon for the bubble, as you mentioned, soft bank being a pass-through for the Saudis, the Saudis obviously playing an outsized role in developments in the Middle East and the horizon somehow being tied to things like a war with Iran, right? Things like geopolitical outcomes that could play into keeping the bubble inflated. And maybe as a way to start down that path, we could talk about how all of these, whether it's crypto or whether it's the AI sector, feeding into the broader tech, military, industrial surveillance complex that's perhaps

best represented by the Palantir and a real meat and potatoes of the jackboots, the digital jackboots of today. Yes. No one in this world, or I'm speaking of the tech side here, or sort of the tech right, is a real libertarian. Certainly not in how they are so comfortable with the exercise of state power and align themselves as security state and of course profiting off of it. And we've gone from something initially pretty sinister, which is that like Google and all these ad tech companies turned digital life, which is to say all of life into this surveilled process that could be mined and monetized and parsed out and sold to anyone private or government actors. And now they've moved on to defense contracting in a very

explicit way. And, you know, Microsoft has their multi-billion dollar contract with the U.S. Army for these AR goggles. And, of course, they have hundreds of other, you know, software services contracts and things like that with the U.S. government and the security state. Google 10 years ago was willing to give up a program where it was doing image analysis for a military drone program after some employee protests because there really wasn't that much money at stake and the company still had a pretense of acting ethically or don't be evil and now it's something like 10 years later they fired people for having a silent protest against the company's extensive work for the IDF and the Israeli government and you have engineers also from software companies like

Microsoft and I'm not sure about Google but I know for sure Microsoft you know embedded with Israeli ministries or even, I think, security services or IDF in some cases. Like, we are just so far from any pretense towards kind of egalitarian or utopian thinking here. And that's where we see this new authoritarian power center rise is in these right-wing tech elites who, are desperately seeking this union of tech power and political power and the security state because, one, they get off on it. There's a jingoism that they love about it.

But really also, of course, there's tremendous profit in it, and they believe in American hegemony and that they are the elect, the genetic elect, and the most brilliant people alive to do this. And that's why also when Musk kind of comes in and sweeps in with Doge and these 22-year-old Palantir engineers and wherever else and say, give us the keys to the kingdom or show us where, like, all the money is and how fundamental government systems work, there's this assumption on the Silicon Valley side that they had this like omni competence, that because they are so intelligent, because Silicon Valley

sort of imparts them with this like ability to consult anywhere to understand any field that they are immediately qualified so it's not you know of course it's not alarming that cracked out 22 year old engineers are doing this is actually supposedly like it's incredibly based and cool and like the height of Silicon Valley's aggressive form of meritocracy yeah when I think we all know it's much different than that yeah and I've been thinking a lot about about the historical roots of all of this stuff. And you mentioned it's hard to imagine a utopian thinking about it. Well, I think that there is a form of utopian thinking at work

that's not a utopia that most people would want to sign up for, but it's one that has a pretty clear image in the minds of some of these. these fascists, right? I call them fascists because Mussolini famously described fascism as the merger between corporate and state power. I think that's very clearly what their goal is. And you've had Teal and others for a while now talking about how democracy does not maximize efficiency in outcomes, right? How democracy is more of an impediment to the types of, of progress that they would like to see. And the move towards this extremely unequal distribution of wealth in society is a good outcome for them. It's dependent on the suppression of not just

hundreds of millions, but billions of people and a growing amount. Like the concentration of wealth that's accruing now, we talked about this in one of our recent episodes, it's not just the top 1%. It's the top 0.1% and even within that, like the top 100 richest people that are accruing all of this. And it really does harken back to the original 20th century Utopian Project, which was the Third Reich. Not to be a one-trick pony on that, but really a lot. lot of the computing technology and the spur of innovation came with IBM that was used to document and maximize the efficiency of the Nazi killing machine. I think that we're very much living in the shadow of that today. But then most people would think the Nazi project of

computerized mass extermination was a bad thing and we probably shouldn't be trying to replicate that but yet many people either play along with or even cheer on their new lords in continuing that project so at risk of asking the same question twice what do you think what gives why are so many people so fooled by this op well i think it appeals to certain sort of biases and bigotries and and forms of narcissism like if you read about the sort of defense tech bros like you know like these people at on derrille or in elsa gundo or in a various a 16 z sponsored companies or joe longsdale's network or or others they are so wool misogynist jingoistic bombastic like they think building weapons and defending America is cool like they speak in these very simple

juvenile terms they are like untroubled by 20 years of the war on terror and innumerable war crimes and committed by the U.S. government like I write something in my upcoming book about how like you know a lot of people certainly I think went through the Bush and Obama years and and had a lot to think about, or at least took stock of what American power meant and all the horrible things we did. But for people like Palmer Lucky, it inspired business ideas. And I think Palmer Lucky actually is rather honest about that and his intentions and the kind of arms dealer figure he wants to be. And I think a lot of it is ridiculous, just sort of in manner and presentation. Like the way that people like Palmer Luckier, Alex Karp talk, where they talk about like wanting to drone their enemies and, you know, we need to terrify America's enemies into submissions so they can't sleep at night because we have overwhelming firepower.

I mean, this is childish stuff. Yeah, the Elon Musk tweet in the wake of the 2019 Bolivian coup attempt, will coup whoever we want deal with it and take the lithium? Yeah. I mean, Alex Karp does the best versions of this stuff, and they love him for it. Like, he'll go to a conference or on CNBC. He's done it a couple times in the last few months, where he goes on one of these rants about, like, wanting to kill his enemies and how America needs to be this muscular security state, and everyone's afraid of us, and then we'll have true peace. And every time he does that, like, all the A16Z people, Musk, the founders fund people, you know, everyone in these networks, they all post. like oh we love carp what a badass like that's who they want to see themselves as are these sort of like these fascist nerds who can uh you know deal death upon their enemies on behalf of america and you know it it it seems simplistic to say it's like people who read too many comic books

or like took the wrong lessons from the sci-fi novels of their youth but those are the kinds of characters that they're almost embodying or creating for themselves What about the new administration? And you also have a lot of government contracts. And this is an administration that has been much more focused on AI, installing key people and jobs to focus on it. Well, I mean, like the people who do like David Sachs are obviously clearly very strong and know what they're doing.

Look. Does it have your business? Well, you know, look, our nation is more important to us than anything. And, you know, first we have to look at, you know, we are in the business of making America stronger and better. That's our first and primary objective. So pitching in to make America stronger, better, and the West Superior and America have a dominant position in the world, so I think these things are really, really good. The more builders that are helping the U.S. government be stronger and better and superior to all other governments in the world,

the better for everyone. Look, our adversaries need to know that they, as they're better, they're better for everyone. Look, our adversaries, need to know that they, as they're been saying for 15, 20 years, it's like, if they're not afraid of us, there's literally no way they're going to act rationally. In fact, they are acting rationally. If they're not afraid of us, why shouldn't they just represent their own interests? It's what they do. So it's put the fear of death into our adversaries at any random moment, which I think, you know, is happening for the first time or long time. And too, the fact that we believe in the law, rule of law and meritocracy and have higher beliefs.

These are all very weak aspects of America that really currently only America is at scale. Then how do we protect that so that these things are not stolen, manipulated, used against us? I think you're gonna see a lot of discussions around that. I'm pretty optimistic around that. Into ourselves, look, the biggest point here is that we're in a new AI world, the geopolitical threats are there,

know who your enemy is, and then use your weapon, which is software and technology to fight, to fight. Well, we can do what we should do cheaper and faster because of AI and because we know what we're doing and because we have essentially money in the capital. Palleteer ontology, revolution. If a revolution is defined by who gets paid, then clearly we're doing something, right?

So we change the course of history with the anti-terror product in the beginning. There's a product that we use in Apollo that's actually very important. It's high and technical. Leave that aside. Then you have Foundry and AIP or the Autology, even prior to transform the world.

... ...with the scalyons and guns, looking for the new world and the palace in the sun. ... ... are maligned for being pro-American, cursed for being pro-Western, Western, protested for students.

It's all cool again. Protested every day for supporting our border. Every day. We had barbed wires because we supported a border. I've been called every name in the book because I stood up for Israel after it experienced the attack, which would be equivalent of loss of almost 50,000 people, reminded people that any other country would have acted more violently than Israel has or did. All these things, over 20 years.

By the way, never forget, it is really important to do. really important to win. Alex Carp, one of a kind, not a typical CEO. He offered life in sacrifice so that others could go. By the way, makes whatever you can be wrong, calling him a Nazi, especially since it seems to be highly correlated to having been supportive of essentially the mosque wing of the terrorist movement in some way.

It's not causation, but it's like completely absurd and like a complete rewrite of history. This is a much more confident and emboldened Alex Karp after a 400% run-up in a stock price. The Economist magazine, McClarend, CEO of the year in 2024, he is being proven right. He has vindicated on some of these ideas that he's been talking about. He is a huge military contractor, and they have very strong values and beliefs about fighting for America and our allies. He was in Ukraine, for instance. He was in Israel, visited both during wartime and is providing software and technology to those.

Hate was just a legend, and war was never known. You know, I mean, a pound here, we believe, and we are at the way beginning of our trajectory, but we are a modestly large company now. And it's a minuscule compared to where we're going. But you could only do that in America, and I'm grateful. He died along the way, and they filled up with their bare hands what we still can't do today.

It's interesting because CEOs on the other side of the aisle, quote unquote, are told to keep quiet and not opium. But in this case, he appears to think there is no limit to what he can weigh in on. Well, I think he doesn't look at it as necessarily a political lens. lens i mean you heard him he's a happy independent okay i agree with all you said and i also want to save a little ire and point the finger a little bit at what might be called the liberal post-war world order that has vaunted all of these values of technological efficiency, automation, and better organization of systems in a profit-driven way. So I think of, for example, the Ford Foundation and the role that it played after World War II and throughout the Cold War of

offering the carrot to the imperial periphery. You know, you developing nations of the world can join the capitalist world order and have access to all of these technological fruits and all of this expertise if only you will give up your natural resources and sell your people's labor at discount basement prices for, you know, the profit maximizing corporate beneficiaries at which

continue to rule the world today. You very aptly pointed out the sort of crusading side of it, where it's, you know, make our enemies quake and fear us or else we'll just drone bomb them. And that is certainly a piece of it, but I wonder if you think that all of the Trump administration's eggs are now in that basket with, for example, Musk and company putting USAID on the chopping block. Yeah, I mean, it's bizarre even taking USAID specifically because, you know, the left critique is that, hey, this is actually a CIA front basically in a tool of U.S. regime change and much more and much more than just an aid entity. But as per usual, you know, Musk and company kind of wildly misinterpret everything that they read and take things in another direction.

And perhaps the tolerance for brutality has increased since October 7, 2023. with the Israeli assault that's been so broadcast, so televised, and yet has evoked really such a meek response from the world, from the people of the world. And I think that's also something that is on the horizon for these people that they're trying to create totalizing global systems, which will offer the rest of the world, a join us or die, sort of an ultimatum. Right. I guess what I was asking about is, you know,

what sorts of benefits could this totalizing techno-fascist, utopian dream that's taking shape in the White House and thereabouts? What carrots could it also offer to the rest of the world? And then where does that leave people that don't want to take the carrot? I mean, I think, at least for now, it'll appear like a protection racket, so there won't necessarily be that many carrots, or it'll be like, you know, the benefit is you do not receive the wrath of the U.S. government, whether that's in the form of sanctions or bad trade policy or, you know, warfare or invasion. And in that sense, I mean, it just feels like a cruder expression. of U.S. hegemony, which of course is a bipartisan project, but it's just like a more vulgar version of it, which is that

like give us what we want in whatever the instance may be, whether it's somehow magically stopping all fentanyl from entering the U.S. or kicking China out of the Panama Canal or we're going to invade. And I don't see that as very sustainable, but it does seem to be, you know, the preferred Trump way of operating. And And for the tech fascists who have a huge sense of entitlement, they have no respect for democracy or the consent of the governed, they're happy to operate that way, especially because they're coming to this situation with, well, one, their own experience of lawlessness is okay in their industry. It's actually encouraged because lawyers will just fix everything.

I mean, there's a great quote from Eric Schmidt being recorded in a classroom last year talking to a bunch of Stanford students about how like basically just let your AI companies steal whatever it wants and then the lawyers will fix it. And that's, of course, the Silicon Valley ethos along with move fast and break things. So like these are people, that's why we see Musk and companies sweeping into these agencies and doing whatever they want and suddenly declaring that they need to access systems or that, you know, payment. that must doesn't even seem to understand or somehow illegal or illegitimate they have that utter certitude that they can come in and do that and they don't care about what stands in the way so in terms of that authoritarian style uh i think it is very much a bond and a commonality between trump and maga types who do it sort of in more vulgar terms and the the silicon Allen Valley Tech guys who are made more snobby about it and have more lawyers.

Yeah, and it's funny, as you were saying that, I was thinking about what a contrast between their views on this sort of financial white-collar crime, which they condone and take as a cost of doing business, you know, whatever slap on the wrist fines and legal fees come with the territory of moving fast and breaking things are just built-in input costs at this point versus the point of view that all these people have on what we might call street crime or crimes of poverty and desperation right the breaking into the CVS or whatever that they're trying to bring back like corporal punishment and life sentences for repeat shoplifting offenders and insane draconian measures to inflict punishment on people who don't do the right

kinds of crimes. Right, yeah. Well, I've joked a bit about how financial crimes are now legal and obligatory under the Trump administration. And I've written about or try to define, I think, a certain kind of criminality that I think it sort of encompasses all these people and you know Trump of course is a more thuggish mafia type who runs everything like a protection racket and any number of his associates especially from his first presidential administration have committed crimes and been found guilty

or pleaded guilty of the crimes and some of them are now still still back working with him and you know it's a really long list but but in terms of also like this this criminal entitlement to disregard for the social fabric or for other people a sense that I'll get mine and that incumbent authority is irredeemably corrupt and the only sort of response to that is to break society even further I mean these aren't necessarily moral judgment so that there are moral qualities attached to this stuff but like that that sort of the mindset I think and the attitude and the way of being in the world that defines these tech fascists, and that's where they really can work hand in glove with someone like Trump, who in the end thinks pretty similarly.

Yeah, my co-host Dick and I have a long-running joke that from, you know, early on in the Biden administration, that Trump's victory and rebound was inevitable because this is the time for, crime and he is the king of crime he always has been that is his core identity and he is the mirror to a society that has given rise to the criminal expropriation of wealth i think that's just that's where we're at right just one last thing to sort of put a pin on it i mean just to be explicit like some of these people have our criminals or at least face legal exposure and it's not just like the kind of attitude or manner of doing business that I was describing like you know that they've committed securities fraud by funding all this crypto crap to the tune of billions of dollars

they've you know funded fraudulent companies like hill mills and and other fake startups that built their investors they've probably committed forms of money laundering or stock fraud in some cases. I mean, there's just like a lot there. And I think that also is why they ran towards Trump is because he offered them protection and immunity, you know, the kind of immunity that he demonstrates and that he was given by the Supreme Court. And now all that stuff is about to go away, all those lawsuits, all those regulatory enforcement mechanisms and the potential criminal exposure. Right. And I saw you had tweeted something recently that, you are calling, I think it was Tether, BCCI 2.0.

Yeah. And I think this is a great insight because it's like all of this stuff has recurred over the course of the 20th century, the rise of American hegemony, the criminal networks intertwining with political and financial elites. Of course, we know that even software, like the first kind of run of what we might be seeing with a lot of these totalizing software and surveillance systems that are being foisted upon the world today, maybe promise was the first iteration of that, the prosecutorial databasing software, which was again used as this kind of get on board. with the syndicate, and it was a way to bring other countries under the fold of U.S. hegemony while also facilitating the commission of massive financial frauds by the very respectable companies, right, downstream from all this stuff, are the big banks,

are the big corporations that have a little finger. in those dirty little pies. And I've heard you talking and writing recently about the pattern of ETF investment into crypto funds and how that serves a legitimizing function. And just because it is so complicated, maybe you could give your little elevator pitch explainer of how that works. Because I think what I'm trying to drive at is this nexus between what is considered to be legitimate economy and the criminal underbelly. I think my point of view on it is

they are indistinguishable and so deeply intertwined that you can't have a survival of what we know is the legitimate economy without that underbelly. But maybe you can help illustrate for our listeners just how that is playing out in this latest iteration. That's interesting. And that's an interesting way of framing it. Because I often think of crypto as something that can't survive without its illegal use cases, which are its only use cases, or with subsidies in the form of what we're starting to see now, which is basically U.S. government intervention, friendly regulation, and probably just outright cash at some point. But, yeah, I do think of crypto as with the BCCI 2.0 kind of thing as like, you know, this is just a new form of illicit finance, of course, with new capabilities and sort of new wrinkles compared to the kinds of financial networks you might have talked about on this show

or on some of the other shows we all listen to. Should I talk about Tether or you were time of the ATFs? Yeah, what is an ETF and who benefits from? that structure. Sure. So I think one thing that alarms a lot of people is that you had a crypto crash in 2022 and then there was a kind of

unexpected run-up in assets and token prices again, especially in 2024, and then it became clear, okay, they're pouring all this money into the election, into the Republican Party and Trump. This is an attempt to, you know, inflate this kind of worthless bubble

and save this industry. And the way they need, one way they need to do that or a prime mechanism for keeping the bubble inflate is bringing more real money in, fiat money, actually useful state-issued currency that you can spend. And that is, you know, the nature of a Ponzi scheme is that you continually need fresh infusions of capital. And that is essentially what the crypto economy is. And so despite any countercultural pretensions or sort of like libertarian, anti-state, anti-Wall Street stuff, crypto always has wanted and real dollars and kind of craved legitimacy and recognition from some of those institutional forces, the government, Wall Street, pension funds, VC investors at different stages because they need that money. because you can't have some circular

shit coin economy on your own. And so we are seeing that happen in a way now, I think, very quickly that didn't happen under the Biden administration, couldn't really, and didn't really even happen in the last bubbles that we've had or run-ups in crypto prices. So now you have, you know, many people may be familiar with shit coins or meme coins, these tokens that are worthless.

I mean, all this stuff is pretty dangerous. but these tokens like doge coin or trump coin or whatever else are very much worthless and but you have them being converted in they have all these mainstream financial institutions now applying to have ETFs which are exchange traded funds based off of these tokens and what it is basically is like the financial firm on wall street will buy the crypto and an institutional investor and even an individual investor will buy an interest or a share of that fund so you have exposure to the crypto asset but you don't actually own the asset and this was a big deal a year or two ago when the SEC underbide and undergensler the people of the crypto industry hated actually did approve a bitcoin ETF so then you had

all this wall street money flooding in where like now retirement funds or major institutional investors could start getting exposure to crypto by buying into these ETFs. And there are ETFs that do make sense that are just baskets of stocks or commodities or whatever else, and there are ways to buy exposure to some asset without actually owning it. But when you're talking about crypto, it begins to feel like this synthetic financial product that is one degree removed from something that itself has no value. And that's how crypto, is starting to really penetrate into the mainstream financial system now is that you have these ETFs and other assets based off of shit coins, based off of worthless assets, now kind of

entering circulation in Wall Street. And that's where you get pension funds or big banks starting to put in more money and like, you know, your local nursing retirement fund investing indirectly at least in Trump coin. It's giving real mortgage-backed securities vibes like the products that bundled together the junk mortgages back in the 2008 financial crisis. Or you could even wind the clock back further to the type of financial mob arrangements from way back and like the Teamsters Jimmy Hoffa days. As far as the world was concerned, Andy Stone, the head of the Teamsters pension fund, was a legitimate guy, a powerful man.

Philip, if you would rise. He even played golf with the president. You would have the Teamsters leading the way and other pension funds getting in on basically these loans sold as debt products or whatever in a much more unsophisticated way to mob bosses and tying the legitimate money of workers and their pensions in with the problem. of criminal business, of drug rackets, of prostitution, human trafficking. But Andy also took orders. And when he was told to give a pension fund loan to Philip Green... ...or 62,700,000 for the new time... And the cooperation at that time between organized crime and some of the intelligence agencies, too,

which dates all the way back to, you know, after World War II, when you have... have the stolen loot by the Nazis or by the Imperial Japanese that is smuggled into this Black Eagle Trust we've talked about on the podcast a few times. And remember there, rather than distributing the ill-gotten gains of fascism to its victims, the U.S. put the Black Eagle Trust and all of this dirty Nazi and Japanese Imperial Lute, into slush funds, which they then used to, for example, fund covert operations run out of the Galen organization employing thousands of members of the Vofan SS around Europe and seeding even more Nazis into South America, into the Middle East, into Asia, in order to prop up dictatorships

and prevent the emergence of any government that would dare to give capital less than unfettered access to exploit its people and natural resources for profit. And all the while, the mafia was a trusted partner in this endeavor mixing the dirty money with clean money and feeding some of the surplus into the above-ground financial system to prop up the illusion of Western capitalistic economic growth, not to mention growing the pot of black money through the drug trade, human trafficking, and whatever else global criminal networks see fit to do.

And those funds remained off the books and unaccountable for use in whatever the intelligence agencies wanted to get up to. Whether it's, you know, wet works and assassinations, or whether it's through your old-fashioned mind control and mass manipulation of the media, all of that stuff was always dependent on the existence of a thriving, underground, illicit economy. Doug Valentine has written several books about this, the Al McCoy book, The Politics of Heroin, and the same goes for today, really. I mean, all of these tech billionaires are massive government contractors, have massive involvement in espionage and worse, and once again, you've got to think.

I think that a piece of the profits are going to fund the social engineering that gets people bought on board with the capitalist world order. As free market capitalism and technology expands, the third world fertile soil becomes a desert waste man. So it takes fans to demand the government provide answers. When Lady Liberty has me be witch like Samantha, and poverty is one of the most malignant forms of cancer. all my black magic romances and acid brain dancers develop close ties like jerry Seinfeld and george Costanza we fear no man and throw jams that attack counterintelligence programs exciting like the epic adventures of conan i colonize minds like zaire by the belgians now what the hell is the problem with this system and what it sells us i bring ancient

i sort of two threads connecting here earlier on we were talking about how will the techno-fascist overlords, throw some scraps, or, you know, secure the necessary minimum consent of the governed to keep the game going. And maybe it's just that. Maybe it's the same as it ever was these illicit operations of mass manipulation. I think now you don't even need the government to do it. You're seeing the privatization of those government functions by the tech companies themselves, albeit with the stolen loot from the U.S. treasury to finance it, but the bubbles themselves are today's iteration and not too far away, like Silk Road, right?

The crypto, like you were saying, it is tied up in these criminal networks and relies on that circulation to have a value, to have a use case. And I think the scraps also that you describe that they're throwing to people are the idea that you'll get rich, that like, well, you know, first there's the pretense that they're somehow inventing the future of finance, but really, you know, that you're going to get rich and buy some token that'll go to the moon. Or become an influencer. Yeah. And even just get your body good and go on Instagram and get paid for being hot. Yeah, and the comparison, actually, that comes to mind for me is specifically with the kind of underworld relationship your timeout is casinos, especially in the 50s or whether it's in Cuba or Vegas. No matter what the problems were outside the count room, it was all worth it.

The cash kept rolling in, and the suitcases kept coming and going. and let me tell you the fucking bottom line here is cash crypto companies are sort of the mob casinos of today in that a lot of them are part of money laundering networks and you get people to come in

everyday people to come in gamble their money feel like they have a good time and have a shot at something and you mix the good money with the dirty money and that's how you launder And there's a lot more to it, of course, but, you know, people talk about crypto just being gambling. A lot of people in crypto now will even say like, oh, people just want casinos on chain.

That's a phrase I hear, meaning like, people just want to gamble. They don't want to create some novel future of finance. They just want to be able to try to make some money. And so I think there's a lot of sort of one-to-one parallels there, including how then some of this money gets cypherson. off for criminal or intelligence world activity. You've got to know that a guy who helps you steal, even if you take care of him real well. I mean, he's going to steal a little bit extra for himself. Makes sense, don't it? Right?

And dedicating a chunk of it to very spectacularly feeding the VIPs. And I think that goes back to what you were saying, that part of the payoff is this very ephemeral, very hard to pin down, but nevertheless very real in people's minds, possibility that, you know, anybody can hit the jackpot, that anybody can get, get the, have the next big idea or can get a piece of this economy, this spectacle economy. Yeah, I think there are two ways it's sold. I think there's one which is that like sort of the new american dream is to go viral and be some some solo hustle and grind entrepreneur or something and it can happen to anyone and the other one sort of related or but more cynical kind of blackheld version of that is that like well yeah everyone's

grinding but everyone's just waiting to scam everyone so go get yours um i i mean i i kind of see those as part of the same world and ethos now um and that's i think what animates a lot of people in tech is that while they may wrap themselves in the sort of more pleasant rhetoric of innovation or financial empowerment or, you know, rebuild in the country, whatever it might be, underneath that really is kind of an all-get-mind kind of scammer's attitude. And there are people who are in on that and there are people who aren't. Yeah. We are all Nigerian princes now. Yeah. And you know, and you even see this. I mean, a couple of years ago in crypto, people were talking about Ponzi scheme as a business model as something that could be almost rehabilitated as an idea. Like, well, if you just keep the plates spinning long enough. And there are ways in which the kind of cynicism is no longer hidden. It becomes, it's no longer subtext. You know, it's out there in the open.

Yeah. And this raises a question that I wanted to ask you, which is, you know, in the past, cycles and i think we've we've alluded to a few of these different sort of analogous arrangements that have come up in the past uh but usually what happens in those past instantiations of this phenomenon is it's a game of musical chairs criminal musical chairs the music stops and then a couple of heads got a roll so that the music will get going once again So like with BCCI, right, there were some criminal prosecutions. It was unwound. But obviously, figures like George Bush, you know, who really was central to the whole thing

happening as well as a lot of his inner circle and much of the Reagan administration, they all got away, Scott Free and are now remembered as heroes. or in the 2008 financial crisis, more recently, the like Lehman Brothers was sacrificed on the altar of long-term capitalism. Absolutely. And we moved on from that. So do you think that this is different? I mean, are there going to be like fewer chairs when the music stops,

or are all the chairs going to be gone? Or are we just going to have, you know, we've already had SBF put on the sacrificial altar and, you know, he's serving his lengthy sentence in prison now. But a lot of people, myself included, are really curious as to whether this time it's different because of, like you said, the mask off overtness of it all. Right. And I was going to mention SBF. I mean, he's an interesting example because it really felt to me like this was the crypto cartel cutting ties with someone with one of their own an inner circle member who had become problematic. So you had specifically Changpeng Xiao,

the CZ, the CEO of Finance and kind of Sam's former mentor and turned rival really undercut him and helped bring down the company. I mean, everything that happened was because of Sam Bankman Fried and his co-conspirators. But anyway, I've written about this. But the point is that they cut him off and there's a fiction of accountability and then CZ himself pled guilty to some crimes and only did four months in prison and now is back and as rich as ever in and safe in the UAE and the whole grift you know the system the underworld network kind of goes on and and so in crypto specifically like I think there's every sense that that's continuing and that that you know whatever form this network

of illicit finance takes or networks, you know, I think crypto will be part of it. I think the question is, you know, do we get to 2028 and a potential changeover in administration and are any of these kind of systems of accountability intact? I mean, will there be a Southern District of New York that wants to indict billionaire businessmen, will it have the capacity to, will there be people to do that? I don't really know. I don't see any of this trending in that direction. I think what might happen is we may have a strong sense and awareness of wrongdoing and of who these bad operators are, especially because there is the kind of brazen cynicism we're talking about. But there won't be anything to return a semblance

of accountability or to kind of chip away at this. because they'll have dismantled every regulation and institution in the intervening four years. I think that tees up the last bucket of discussion that I wanted to have with you. And thank you so much again for all of your generous giving of your time here. I think this is a great discussion. But I wanted to turn to looking forward. and one thing that is hard for me is that I agree with some of what I hear from the Trump circle with respect to the inadequacy of the regulatory state, albeit my agreement comes from a

completely opposite direction. Like, I'm sitting here evaluating the aptitude of the regulatory agencies that have been set up and put in place to presumably protect consumers, protect people from the crimes of much better empowered financial giants. And I kind of see it as a bastard birth in the first instance. You know, way back in the 1930s when the New Deal programs were first starting up, up, things like the SEC, passing things like the Securities Act of 33 or the Exchange Act of 34, these measures were conceived as saving capitalism from itself to persist and to survive with some guardrails. And as a result, they've been subject to capture by the very

industries and persons that they were set up to regulate. You know, we have revolving doors. We have all kinds of inputs and controls being imposed from the financial industry itself and other, you know, related, regulated entities. And so now that the regulatory entities and agencies are under the gun and on the full chopping block. It seems to me like we can't really go back to business as usual. But you're much more informed about all of this stuff. And you're one of the people at the forefront of paying attention to this stuff. And what do you think about that? Can we just pump back up the SEC and the

CFTC and with another sort of milk toast Democrat neoliberal administration, try to put the toothpaste back in the tube? Or what's next? It'd be nice to think so. And I think you're getting at, you know, we've ignored that, or kind of not talked about the Democrats much so far here, but this is the real failure of Democrats and liberalism in the U.S. is to offer a constructive, coherent alternative to be a real opposition party to provide, you know, solutions and electoral inspiration for voters to this stuff. So what we've been faced with for years now

is that everything is broken, nothing works, it's a deeply unequal country, you know, there is a white-collar crime wave happening, but all of those solutions are sort of or active, even kind of revolutionary energy, if there's any out there is coming from the reactionary right and from billionaires and their class interests. So I don't think you can really return even the Biden-era regulatory state deeply flawed as it was and needing to be reformed in a whole other direction. I don't think

you can return to that in 10 years from now without a totally different Democratic Party or political opposition that has to do many things. But among the them, you know, have a coherent strategy and a coherent program to, you know, to uplift people and to fight this techno-fascist takeover, this union of billionaire corporate and reactionary right-wing power that they have largely assented to. And they've helped, they've facilitated, and that many of them are comfortable with. So I just, you know, I think I have a little bit more faith in kind of the broader public, developing some class awareness, developing some dissatisfaction. I think that one bright spot is that these people are unpopular. Musk has his

fan base, but a lot of these people, Musk and his allies are pretty unpleasant and they are not necessarily popular in a broad sense. You know, this is faux populism for a reason. But until there's any kind of mass movement or viable political party to fight back, I don't know where we go. Yeah. One thing that occurs to me is we could kind of steal man the very best use cases for some of these ideas that the techno-fascist right has been putting on the table. And what I mean by that is, you know, you talk about there's all this government waste. It's bad to have USAID doing imperialism and cover for the CIA. in the third world. The regulatory agencies have just turned into a jobs program for the revolving door and they don't do anything except the service of capital. So if we on the left

take some of these ideas and try to convert them into things that we would like there to be in society? You know, what if we had a very well-run and very technologically advanced universal health care system? Wouldn't that be nice? Things like this. And then point in the finger at the utter hypocrisy of this mafia that is simply using the promise of these good things to enrich themselves. And this is a very incipient idea, and I think we're probably late to the party in not having thought more creatively about all of this stuff before. But now that, you know, I think there may be a consensus emerging both between the soon

to be, if not already, disillusioned and disappointed Trump supporters that wanted dignity and that wanted an economy that worked for them and didn't enrich this self-righteous class of bureaucrats. And then on the Democrat side, people who want the things that Democrats have long purported to stand for, you know, distribution of wealth and fairness and a fair shake for everyone and a functional social welfare state. So I don't know. Maybe I just don't want to be totally dumber about all this stuff because it is so easy to just throw up your hands because our enemies are powerful, much more powerful than we are. And they certainly have plans of their own. And I don't know if we can rely on them entirely self-destructing. Certainly they will inflict a lot of self-inflicted carnage, no doubt about that. But I want to be.

wanted to pass it off to you if you have any other final, final thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I do still sometimes go back to these people are often stupid or incompetent, or at least, you know, are prone to the kind of failures that when it concerns the entire federal government may be actually damaging to the country, but also damaging to their reputations and their ability to sort of maintain power. You know, the Fourth Reich was pretty well organized and didn't last that long. I mean, the third wreck, excuse me. I'm not sure about if our fourth will last longer.

But I also just don't see the techno-fascists as having the kind of coherent project, whatever their fantasies might be, about colonizing Mars or having globe-straddling AI surveillance systems. I don't think they have the kind of coherent vision where they can work towards, you know, a shared end, even the shared end of oligarchy. I think there's too much competition and self-interest and venality and potential for betrayal. So, you know, I do actually take a little solace in that kind of thing and that, you know, our enemies are stupid, venal, bad people and that they want, you know, different things from what the majority of people want, and that hopefully their time and power will be limited

and will be limited partly because they will demonstrate how unfit they are to, wield it. Yeah. And I think you have been doing yeoman's work in shining the light on all of that and in clarifying and elucidating and spreading the word of all of these contradictions and hypocrisies and criminal intentions of the techno-fascist class. There's a lot more that we could talk about and I hope that you will come back for future discussion as I mean I I don't know how you're not rewriting your book every week at this point it's a little it's a little difficult I'm trying to to write it with an eye towards posterity while also describing the moment you know it's tough but then there there are articles for that too to keep up with the news yeah so why don't

you let our listeners know and we'll link to everything in the show notes but let the folks know the title of your book, where they can pre-order, and where they can find your writings, et cetera. The book is called Gilded Rage, Elon Musk, and the radicalization of Silicon Valley. It will be out in the fall from Bloomsbury. It is available for pre-order on Amazon.

There isn't jacket copy or a book cover yet, but it is there. It helps me a lot if you pre-order, and it's really about the rise of the tech right and extension of a lot of the work I've been doing on these folks and about the 2024 election and how this all happened. Let's hope that Elon Musk doesn't buy Bloomsbury and pretty soon they're going to have to, they're going to have to do even more than they already are to undermine their alleged but

utterly vacuous commitment to free speech. So let's hope that it. Yeah, I mean, I don't, you know, you sort of don't want to be a narcissist. by thinking that you'll get saying like, oh, they might sue me or something like that. But I am a little worried sometimes about, like, this is a very litigious bunch. And, you know, I've been involved in some legal stuff with X and Musk because I had a legal aid organization help me intervene in a lawsuit to unseal a list of shareholders of X, which includes the Saudi government and others. So, you know, I've started poking and prodding at these people. and they clearly have no respect for the media. So we'll see what happens.

And just maybe one day in the future, Fourth Reich Archaeology, a lawyer-hosted podcast, will make that leap into legal practice. And we will become the bulwark against techno-fascism on the legal arena. We need you out there. Yes, and the listener can sign up

and toss us a little scrill on the Patreon to support that project as well. Jacob, thank you so much, and I hope that we'll do it again soon. Sure thing. Thank you. And thank you, listener, for tuning in to Fourth Reich Archaeology. We understand that it can be a little unsettling to hear about the unprecedented and seemingly infinite power wielded by the roving band of criminal psychopaths who have taken. taken total control of the United States government. If you're in anything like me, you may walk

away from this episode with a dark sense of foreboding, eating away at your stomach lining. That's okay, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. What this whole project is really about is the power of love, truth, and justice. Remember, listener, not even a trillionaire can own. the world. Nature, that great equalizer, will make dust out of us all before too long. And in that light, a couple of summers ago, under a particularly animated night sky, a song occurred to me which helped me give expression to that very comforting realization of death's inevitability and to balance that comforting realization with the very sense of helpless rage that inevitably emerges from understanding the dark and powerful forces driving the world

that make up the subject of most of our podcast episodes. The song is called Shooting Stars, and I'd like to share it with you here. next week we'll be back to our series within a series the warren commission decided digging in to the theory known as the magic bullet and its author the philadelphia lawyer turned u.s senator arlen specter for now on behalf of dick and jacob silverman i'm don saying farewell and keep digging to them, stars fall every day. Entire solar systems and their planets blown away a million years ago or maybe several more. Meanwhile we are here and no one knows what fall. It's like a cloud of stars when you look at the Milky Way.

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I'd like to call up the dead I've left and have them here with me. And I know all my moments amount to just one cosmic beat. I'd like to be bold, but I get such a damn cold feet. I'd be bold, but I'd get such damn cold feet. So I'm watching shooting stars. Listening to the ocean waves, my wounds will turn to skies. Now today is yesterday, I'm leaving doors a job. To let in words left to say.

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