Fourth Reich Archaeology - The Warren Commission Decided 11: White Russians/Black Ops pt. A

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

The Warren Commission Decided is back, baby! This week, our dig into General Dynamics consiglieri, and Warren Commission senior counsel, Bert Jenner, leads us to a magnificent pocket of Fourth Reich geologic accumulation. Remember, Jenner and his junior counsel, Jim Liebeler, were in charge of the chapter of the Warren Report focused on profiling Oswald and his network in Dallas.  That chapter would ultimately be perhaps THE focal point of the report, and a disproportionate amount of time and testimony was dedicated to Oswald's background and social milieu. And it gave the Jenner/Liebeler dynamic duo the rare opportunity to face some of the heaviest hitting witnesses of all.  One of those witnesses–and the person whose testimony takes up more pages of the Report than any other witness–was George de Mohrenschildt. George de Mohrenschildt had a life emblematic of the power that could be gained by serving faithfully as a Reichsman. His story intersects with the Texas oil industry, the military-industrial complex, and the spooked-up anti-communist White Russian community in North Texas (people keen to undermine and destroy the Soviet Union).  It should surprise no one that Bert Jenner’s chief client, General Dynamics, was well represented in de Mohrenschildt’s network.  This gave Jenner every reason to steer his nearly 3 days of interrogations with de Mohrenschildt away from the seedy and spooked-up underbelly of this world where business and crime collide. To have an accurate understanding of what it meant for Jenner (the man who made his nut representing General Dynamics) to lead the investigation into de Mohrenschildt (the man who made his nut representing the spooked-up oil industry leaders in North Texas), one must first understand the de Mohrenschildt family.  We spend part of this episode providing a brief origin story for Ol’ Georgie.  The son of a Russian oilman, de Mohrenschildt came of age in the European “anti-communist” (read: Nazi) scene in the 1930s and finally made his way to the United States in 1938. When he got here, he leveraged his family relationships to cultivate both his Nazi and CIA affinities.  He started out by doing a stint as a documentary filmmaker with his cousin’s film company, Film Facts. He even filmed a movie about Polish resistance to the Soviets (ahem).  After Nazism went out of vogue in the U.S., de Mohrenschildt set his sights on the oil business in North Texas. It is here that de Mohrenschildt immersed himself into “the colony”—the community of anti-Soviet Russians living in the Dallas metropolitan area. In 1962, the colony welcomed 22-year-old ex-defector Lee Harvey Oswald and his 20-year-old wife Marina among its ranks. This one has lots of hidden gems and artifacts, and given the scope and breadth of the subject matter, it is going to be another multi parter. Enjoy this one, and STAY TUNED FOR PART TWO!!!!!

Colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that's just confined to England or France or the United States. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. So it's one huge complex or combine. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. And this international power structure is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world and exploit them of their natural resources. We found no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic, the Warren Commission of science. I'll never apologize for the United States of America.

America. Ever, I don't care what the facts are. In 1945, we began to require information which showed that there were two wars going. His job, he said, was to protect the Western way of life. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders the more easy victims of a big lie than a small one. For example, we're the CIA. He has a mom. He knows so long this is a guy, afraid of we'd never be secure.

It usually takes a national crisis. Freedom can never be secure. Pearl Harbor. A lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. Why you think our country's so innocent? We're not going to see a hang. Now, he has a model.

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a lot on our plate as of late. So if we don't get back to you immediately, please hold on hope. I've got to have a top blue ribbon presidential commission to investigate this assassination. indicated by the Chief Justice Supreme Court of the United States Commission Proposed 7 Distinguished American The Commission has not trained, hurts more, and helps

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and we're back into the story of that duo of senior and junior counsel on the Warren Commission, Bert Jenner and Jim Lieber, that wonderful dynamic duo deep in the pockets of the powers that be. You'll recall that we left off after doing a survey on Jenner's background and looking into his deep involvement with the major Texas military contractor General Dynamics and its owner, Henry Crown. In the past three years, we have increased the defense budget of the United States by over 20 percent, doubled the number of strategic bombers and missiles on a lower. Remember, Jenner was something of a consigliary to the Crown family, and was essentially General Dynamics outside counsel. And in the not too distant future, a new Fort Worth product. And I'm glad that there was a table separating Mr. Hicks and myself, a new Fort Worth product. The scandal that was brewing in the 1962-1963 period was over a government contract for a cutting-edge airplane.

The TFX Tactical Fighter Experimental. Nobody knows what those words mean, but that's what they mean. Tactical Fighter Experimental will serve the forces of freedom and will be the number one Airbus. number one airplane in the world today at the time dominance in the skies was what the major powers in the world wanted both the USSR and the united states were buying for control of the skies and they were doing that by developing supersonic fighter jets for the relevant time here in the 1962-1963 period for the United States, the focus was on what was called the tactical fighter experimental. This was a contract that ultimately went to General Dynamics, and you'll recall

the scandal that gave way as a result of that contract. So in this episode, we're going to pick up on the story of Bert Jenner and Jim Liebler, and we're going to turn to their work on the commission. Remember, the focus of their work was on profiling Oswald. Because the subject matter of this episode, namely that we're going to be covering the report's focus on Oswald, because of the massive breadth and scope of the subject matter, we expect that this episode will be a multi-parter. We're going to be dropping names like the DeMorne Childs, the pains, of course the Oswalds, and to be able to have a fulsome discussion on the profile, I'll leave Harvey Oswald, we're going to have to do somewhat of a deep dive.

on each of these families. That's right. What we did in the last episode was really to lay the groundwork of who Bert Jenner was, of where his loyalties lied, and of what he knew about the scene onto which he came as a purportedly outside investigator. So whereas to the naked eye, and certainly in the official narrative, and even in many of the critical narratives of the Warren Commission, Bert Jenner is largely treated as, sure, a high profile and a big wig attorney, but what we've tried to do is,

to really contextualize Bert Jenner's intervention in the Warren Commission through the lens of all the baggage that he carried with him as both outside counsel and remember also a member of the board of directors of general dynamics. And so that's sort of you could think of that as the first step in this

pillar that we are developing here and now comes the second step which is to describe through really the window of the de morin childs and to a much lesser degree the pains the Texas oil milieu and the white Russian milieu that was wound up with general dynamics and the military industrial complex in Dallas. On one hand, we have Jenner and a deep understanding of him. Then we'll have a deep understanding of the subject matter that he was investigating and reporting on. And then finally, once we round it out, we'll get to the means by which Bert Jenner and Jim Liebler, his sort of deputy in all of this, took the very dirty, the very stinky.

And we're talking stankier than the Fort Worth mudflats here. seen of the white Russian, Dallas, Texas, oil, military, industrial intelligence complex and deodorized it for public consumption in what ultimately became the Warren report. So if you think about it, it's a three-step process. in this piece of the puzzle that we're putting together and we appreciate your patience and attention as we build it all up.

I think, Dick, that you'll agree that the payoff in the end will be worth the ride. And indeed, the ride in its own right is crazy. I mean, this is just researching it, getting extremely deep into it, honestly, with all the insane shit that's going on in the world, learning and studying and researching has been a welcome reprieve because the deeper you go, the crazier it gets. and this episode and I think the last episode as well are proof of concept there the deeper you go the crazier it gets and I think crazier still is the smaller the world gets yeah cast of characters and their motivations and the network of people Well, listener, you'll see.

What do you say, Don? Shall we get digging? Let's do it. Let's do it. Counsel General, ask me, why he liked you so much, and we liked only you? Why didn't he like the other people?

Most of the Russians in this area were so-called white Russians, against in quotation marks, still dreaming of the return of the Tsars and the restitution of their more or less imaginary estates. The late Alan W. Dulles, former head of CIA and a scholarly-looking man was there. He was, by the way, a friend of Mrs. Hugh Okin-clos, and he came over to talk to us amicably. A bold-headed and small but oozing importance and Wall Street heir, John McCloy, banker and former governor of West Berlin. There was a handsome and amiable congressman Gerald R. Ford. I was interrogated by Mr. Jenner, a successful lawyer from Chicago, who said at the very beginning of the interrogation in an important voice,

We know Mr. DeMorich, more about you than your sister. What amazed me in the state of my testimony was that whatever good I said about Lee Harvey Oswald seemed to be taken with a grain of salt as if the decision regarding his guilt had already been formed. Okay, so let's start with the man himself, George de Morinschild. The guy whose testimony takes up the most pages in all of the volumes of the Warren Report. More pages than even Marina Oswald. He was deposed by Albert Jenner for three. straight days. After that, his wife,

Jean, accompanied by her two Manchester Terriers, Nero and Poppea. She, yeah, so she refused to leave them in the hotel when she was getting to post, so she spent a day and a half

in the hot seat. Yeah, between the two of them, the taxpayer posted them up in Washington, D.C., all expenses paid for, like, the better part of a week so that they could come and testify a little bit about Oswald, but a lot about themselves. So, look, as the devout listeners full well aware, we are not interested in treading old ground here at Fourth Reich Archaeology. And the DeMoran Childs, both George and John, there's been plenty written about them. And there's been plenty written about George. But we think

it is important to cover some stuff here because his life story works as sort of a cipher to the intersection between the oil industry, which of course had strong reasons. roots in Texas, in North Texas, the military industrial complex, and the CIA-connected anti-communist white Russian emigre community that represented a sort of a Tsarist government in exile, keen to undermine and ultimately destroy the Soviet government that was in power in Russia. So I guess it's not surprising, right, that general dynamics. was well represented in this milieu, giving the DeMorchild's chief interrogator, Albert Jenner,

who remember he was on the board of directors, he was also their principal outside lawyer, strong motivation to steer the conversation away from the corrupt underbelly of this deep and dirty world. Right. And for sources in the forthcoming discussion, We are drawing from both DeMorin Schild's manuscript of his memoir.

I am a patsy, I am a patsy. He never got it published during his lifetime. We'll get to that. Maybe not this episode, but we'll get to it. But we rely on the information conveyed there. We rely on a lot of the information that was ginned up by the Warren Commission. itself and even more so by the House Select Committee on assassinations and those primary sources, as well as the biographical sketch of George DeMorin Schilt in Russ Baker's book, Family of Secrets,

about the Bush dynasty, which focuses especially on DeMorin Schild's connections to the Bush family, and to the whole Yale Brown Brothers Harriman Wall Street mill you. So if there's any threads that we touch on that you'd like to read further, check out those sources. And I will say, listener, just because I know that you put your trust in us when you push play on your device. And I'll say, I did more than the usual. amount of primary source verification for this research because a lot of it is so crazy that it's

almost unbelievable. So this stuff is really documented, even if it sounds too insane to be true. So to begin the biographical snapshot of George DeMorenschild, he was born George George von Morenschild to a wealthy family in Russia that had its background in aristocracies from any number of old European, eastern and northern European countries. There was some Swedish, some Baltic, some Polish, Hungarian, as is the norm in those aristocratic settings. And Georgie Boy was born in 1911. His father was named Sergei Von Moorchild. And this difference between the Vaughn, that's more Germanic sounding, and the D that is a French formation of the name, were kind of arbitrarily interchanged and different members of the family.

used whichever one suited them. So, for example, Sergei von Moranjill, George's father, used the Vaughn. So did George's older brother, Dimitri, who was 11 years older than George, and would serve as a guide to George throughout his life, except in the name, right? George stuck with the D. And so we'll try to just be faithful to however the individual called themselves. In any event, the family's money, even before George was born, was tied up. up in oil. From the very jump, Sergey was running oil operations for the Nobel company. That's, of course, Alfred Nobel, after whom the prize is named, who was, in his own right, obviously,

both a massive arms manufacturer and a military manufacturer and an oilman. And so one of his very many deputies was Sergei von Morinchild running the plants in Baku, the Baku oil fields, still active today out there in Azerbaijan. Eventually, Sergei settled down with his family in Minsk, and he held some civil title and some bureaucratic job. while accumulating passive income through his oil holdings. Because of the prominence of the Von Mornschild family and their place in the oil industry, and sort of the Tsarist regime's focus in the oil industry, One of Georgie's uncles, Ferdinand de Mortenchild, was dispatched by the Tsar to lobby the U.S. government for support against the Germans in World War I.

So you have a member of this family out in the U.S. of A mingling with the U.S. industry and financial elite to try and curry. favor with the American elite and the American government, right? So Ferdinand von Mornschild, he even makes the acquaintance of the likes of the Harmon family and eventually married into the family of President Woodrow Wilson. Right. Like you said, Ferdinand von Morenchild, he is an emissary and he succeeds in. lobbying the U.S. government, obviously he's not the only person lobbying the U.S. government for entry into World War I, but it is something of a achievement from the perspective of the Russians and their allies when Woodrow Wilson, president of the United States, who won

election on an anti-war campaign in 1912, the movie Reds, which listeners might have seen, focuses substantially on that betrayal of the coalition that elected Wilson, right? When he turns tail and ends up mobilizing the U.S. for war, well, one of the beneficiaries was the group of Tsarist interests represented by the likes of Ferdinand de Moran Schilt, and he solidified that interest when he married a young lady by the name of Nona, Hazlehurst, Macadu. Sounds familiar. And on the, yeah, it sounded familiar to me.

Me too. And I think that this might be a Fourth Reich Archaeology original find. And we love when we stumble upon these little connections. But this one was particularly interesting because the Macadoo name, as the listeners might recall, are OG listeners that have been with us throughout this series and have been paying attention, well, they might recognize the name Macadoo because Nona McAdoo's brother, Robert Hazlehurst-Ribbs Macadoo, was one of Lorraine Cooper's prior husbands when she got married to Warren Commission member, Senator John Sherman Cooper.

So, when Lorraine Cooper married Ribs Macadoo back in 1923, her sister-in-law, through that marriage, was, in fact, Ferdinand Demorinshild's widow. So there's one degree basically separating maybe two degrees. I don't know exactly how you count these degrees of separation. Suffice it to say, a small world. John Sherman Cooper and George DeMoor and Schilt are connected by just a few marriages. This is such a great artifact because it's like such a concrete, example of the cross pollination of your global sort of like your russia what i'm saying is you have

your in one hand this family of elites right from russia the connected to the russian industry and military industry oil industry and connected to like the russian government and they come out here and curry favor with the u.s elites and military industrial sort of financial political political and they're like hey you know we got some poll on our end of the globe you got some poll on your end let's link up here and going forward we can as a block no matter who's in power right in any given sphere no matter what government may be operating, we can sort of grow our power and influence by working together. Just because all history is family history that doesn't know any borders, right?

The family history can be a globe-spanning family history where you see these connections getting made from seemingly totally different parts of the the globe. And even Ribs Macadou, his father and Nona's father, in other words, the father-in-law of Ferdinand de Moran Schilt, William Gibbs Macadu, he himself got into Woodrow Wilson's good graces by marrying Wilson's daughter, Nellie. And then he became Treasury Secretary in the Wilson administration. So it's a pattern that repeats itself across the ages all over the world and is a good way to start the dig into the DeMorin Schilt family lineage here because Ferdinand really planted the family brand on U.S. soil in a major way that paved the way

for those who came after him. Should we catch up with those guys that are back there in the old country, Dick? Yeah, right. So for those of you who aren't familiar with 20th century Russian history, things weren't going so great for the industrialists and the capitalist

in the early 20th century in Russia. of course I'm talking about the Bolsheviks revolution right so when the Bolsheviks take power they begin stripping away of the you know of all the honors and assets of the nobility in the noble class so the nobility is stripped of their titles and the capital is nationalized right so the country's natural resources and the industrial assets of these capitalists it's all taken away from private interest and handed back to the people ostensibly, right, but nationalized. And in this climate, the Vaughn Mourn Mourn Childs, they flee. So the family flees.

George's brother, Dimitri, was even taken prisoner by the Bolsheviks during the Civil War and was even due to be executed. But he was freed in a prisoner exchange. You can imagine Dimitri was then very eager to get the hell out of Dodge. Right. Yeah, it's the classic tale of a guy who wants to fight for the honor of his noble family. I think Dimitri joined the Navy of the loyalist, czarist forces after the October Revolution. and as soon as he is on the hit list, well, that lifestyle doesn't seem so attractive. And so he takes his fight underground, which becomes prototypical for a large swath of similarly

affected Russian ruling class personalities and families. So for Dimitri, well, he emigrates to the U.S. in 1920 to attend, drum roll please, Yale University. Yeah, he takes his fight underground to the catacombs of Yale University. There are dungeons, I am told. And thanks to the connections that his family already has with such Yale stalwarts as the haremens, well, Dmitri's reputation precedes him to New Haven. And after graduating from Yale, Dmitri gets hooked up. with a job, with a job as a teacher at the Loomis Chaffee Boarding School in Connecticut,

which counted among its students at the time a young boy by the name of John D. Rockefeller the third, and later he'd be joined there by his younger brother Winthrop Rockefeller. Yeah, so if you haven't put it together, the Rockefeller boys were, being taught by Dimitri, right around the same time, they were taking lessons, sailing lessons from our boy, John J. McCloy. Remember on our episode about Bacloy, we talked about how in the summers McCloy would give sailing lessons to the Rockefellers, I think tennis lessons, and was sort of hanging around the Rockefeller family, even though. you know, McCloy himself didn't come from wealth. It's a small world, to say the least, right? Because

here we have Demetri, who was the Rockefeller's prep school teacher. Essentially, I mean, potentially, McCloy and Dimitri von Moorchow, they could be Eskimo brothers for all we know. Yeah. It's, in fact, Dimitri's trajectory here. it's kind of reminiscent of another international man of mystery with intelligence connections who got his start teaching at an elite prep school and I'm thinking now of course of Jeffrey Epstein who was appointed to the faculty of Manhattan's elite Dalton school by the CIA-connected headmaster, Donald Barr. Donald Barr, of course, being the father of former Attorney General William Barr,

and, you know, he took a chance once upon a time on a young college dropout, Jeffrey Epstein, hiring him to teach in the school. You could think of the headmaster hiring Dmitri von Moerenchild, Well, Dmitri von Morencheld may have had a bit of a more impressive resume than Jeffrey Epstein. But needless to say, for both men, the prep school teaching job was a mere bridge to bigger and brighter endeavors in the world of espionage and covert operations. So for Dimitri, he proved in his teaching role that he was an able propagandist. Indeed, he had all this life experience, right? He had been a prisoner of the communists, for God's sakes.

So what better spokesperson to put the fear of God into, young American Yankees that the communists will kill you as soon as they can than a guy who was almost in front of the firing squad. Well, from the Loomis School, Dmitri goes and works for. the OSS during World War II. The OSS, in fact, sponsored Dimitri to open up a magazine called the Russian Review. This is part of the early cultural Cold War that we've talked about such a great deal on the podcast. After the war, Dimitri continued his work in intelligence, switching over.

to the CIA and was apparently quite instrumental in getting Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe up off of the ground. And once again, the longtime listeners and the Fourth Reich heads will understand that Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe, these were entities, broadcasting propaganda on the other side of the Iron Curtain and were communicating with these so-called stay-behind networks of usually Nazi-allied paramilitary organizations in places like Ukraine, in Poland, in Yugoslavia, wherever. and they were run by a cooperation between Frank Wisner's arm of the CIA,

the Office of Policy Coordination, and the Galen Organization, which, of course, was the Nazi Eastern Front intelligence apparatus, which was absorbed into the CIA after World War II, for the purpose of fighting the communists. All the while, Dmitri was provided with a plush cover for all of these covert activities with a nice job at Dartmouth University. And during Dartmouth and throughout, I guess, Dmitri was establishing friends in high places in the New England social scene. He became romantically involved with and eventually married a woman from a prominent Connecticut Yankee family by the name of Betty Hooker. And among Dmitri and Betty's other high society friends, they counted the Bouviers.

and their darling little girl, Jackie. Jackie would, of course, go on to marry John F. Kennedy years later. This world just keeps getting smaller. It couldn't possibly get any smaller. It could. But it does. Yeah, right. It keeps going.

It gets better. It gets smaller. So Dimitri and Betty also had a fascinating connection to another American dynasty. Although they would never call it a dynasty, right? Betty's son from her prior marriage, Edward, so this is now Dimitri's stepson. Eddie's son Edward was roommates at another elite boarding school, called Andover, with a boy named George Herbert Walker Bush. I think I've heard that name before. Yeah, it's what I'm saying.

George Bush would never call his family a dynasty, right? And then you have that interview where he says that shit. Oh, yeah. But anyway, so Eddie Hooker accompanied George. to war in the Pacific Theater, and then later to Yale. And they remain lifelong friends until Eddie's untimely death at the age of 43. And just to sort of show you how close these two were, Eddie's daughter got married after his death,

and George Bush was the man who walked her down the eye. Yeah, this is one of these connections that Russ Baker talks about, and he also notes, which I found to be quite curious, that none of George H.W. Bush's memoirs or public writings or speeches or anything make much mention, if any, of his relationship with Eddie Hooker, and it begs the question of whether that's on purpose, and I think we'll put a pin in that question for now, because we'll catch up with Eddie Hooker once again in a little bit. But for now, Dick, you want to keep walking us through the Dimitri and George Demorinshild sibling trajectory. No problem. So as Dimitri's putting down roots in the upper echelons of New York High Society and mingling with the crowd that would go on to form the heart of the CIA, George Daymorton Shield was back in the old country. He stayed with the rest of the family

in Poland for a spell before heading west to university in Belgium. He even wrote a doctoral thesis entitled Economic Influence of the U.S. on Latin America. What a timely topic to write about. Timeless. You know? classic timeless yeah always relevant so georgie rubbed elbows with the european elite right so while his brother demetri was here in the u.s georgie boy was in europe so he's making the connections out there eventually he does make the trip over to the u.s and moved in he actually moved in

with Dimitri and Betty in 1938. Right. And like his brother before him, George DeMorin Schild was eager to offer up his services to patriotic causes. Or maybe that's being too generous. Maybe he was just an opportunist. For example, in the lead up to World War II,

George got into some industrial espionage work on behalf of a French company that involved sabotaging supply lines and deliveries of oil and of other products to the Wehrmacht, which, you know, no complaints there, right? his doing anti-Nazi praxis for a spell. And during this time, it's also probable that George was cooperating or, if not directly, cooperating with at least informing the American FBI of some of the work that he was doing. But George's anti-Nazi's anti-Nazi's.

Well, let's just say they are somewhat questionable. It's been rumored that George de Morin Schild basically was working as an intelligence asset for pretty much every country. He had been alleged to have worked for the Russians, and yes, that's the Soviet Russians, for the French intelligence, and even, yes, for the French intelligence. and even, yes, for the Nazis themselves. And, in fact, no less a figure than former CIA director, Richard Helms, alleged at one point that DeMorin Schilt was, in fact, a Nazi spy. But for his part, George vehemently denied these allegations. I mean, when it comes to stacking up an accusation and a defamation,

and a denial from Dick Helms and George de Moran Schilt. It's kind of a coin toss. These are some of the most dishonest people on the planet. Right. But what we do know is that George, during World War II, did take employment with a cousin of his, guy by the name of Baron Maydell and Baron Maydell

was a documentary filmmaker who apparently had done some work on what he referred to as the Spanish Revolution listener when the fascist coup against the Democratic

Spanish Republic is referred to as a revolution that's a red flag that you're hearing from a fascist. And Maydell had also, and this is where George DeMorinchill comes into the picture, worked on a documentary film about the quote-unquote Polish resistance. And no, we're not talking about the resistance to the Nazis. And here's where Helms actually got. his fuel to accuse George de Moran Scheldt of Nazism.

There was some raid, apparently, by the FBI on Maydell's film offices, and they found a bunch of pro-Nazi propaganda in there, reported it to the OSS, and not just any one in the OSS, but a member of the Vanderbilt family who was working in the OSS at the time, and that stayed on George DeMorenchilts permanent record and was one of the reasons why when George applied to, like his brother, Dimitri, work for the OSS, he was allegedly denied. employment yeah but this could be one of those instances where the denial was essentially you know just on paper right yeah it wouldn't be the first time that somebody denies working for intelligence after purportedly being rejected in their

application to work for intelligence right we see this with the CIA this was, I think, something we talked about with Max Good when we were talking about Priscilla Johnson-McMillan. And bringing it back to the present day, the newly released JFK files sort of paint heard as a clear and recurring agency asset. Yeah, even though in Max's documentary, the assassination and Mrs. Payne, She is there on film as a very elderly woman, all but outright denying any involvement with the CIA. And, you know, there was proof at the time that he filmed it. And there's even more proof now that that was bullshit. And she's not the only one who purports to have applied for but not received an offer

from the CIA. You might have heard of a guy, Tucker Carlson. No way. He used to be on Fox News. I think he spoke at the RNC. He's a friend of the current fucks running our country. He also says that he applied for and was rejected by the CIA. And it's not too different from Tucker's sort of role model in the right-wing media sphere,

William F. Buckley, Jr., of course, the publisher of National Review, although Buckley at least had the decency to say that he did get the job for the CIA, and he conceded that he worked for the CIA under no less a titan than, E. Howard Hunt himself in Mexico City, but Buckley, his own myth, states that it wasn't for him. That was not the right line of work. And so he left the agency and became a journalist. Once again, we're going to ask you, listener, to put a pin in William F. Buckley, because, spoiler, preview, he's going to come back up as well. But anyways, getting back to the DeMorin Schultz, we have Dmitri setting the groundwork, following in the path paved by Uncle Ferdinand and seeding the ground to little brother George.

George also following in Dimitri's footsteps made the acquaintance of the Bouvier family and of a young teenage Jackie Bouvier and George D'Amourin Schilt even more so than Dimitri would remain friendly with Jackie's mother, Janet. And that, too, is going to come back up later on in our saga. After World War II, after he cuts ties with cousin Baron Maydell, George sets his sights on a change in career. No longer will he pursue filmmaking. Now he is all about that black gold.

Back to the sort of the family business, so to speak. That's right. So in 1950, he starts up a little company with that fellow we mentioned. a few minutes ago, Eddie Hooker. Yes, the same Eddie Hooker who was Poppy Bush's Andover roommate and bosom friend. And maybe Eskimo Brother?

And maybe Eskimo Brother or more. And around the same time, George also has taken yet another degree this time in petroleum engineering from the University of Texas. So all signs are coming up, George, and he eventually relocates in 1952 to Dallas, Texas.

So like you said, so George is in North Texas. pursuing the oil business. He links up with Eddie Hooker and within a couple of years, settles in Dallas among a sort of bustling community of wealthy or formerly wealthy Russian emigres

that had escaped the Soviet Union, lovingly referring to it as the colony and he is essentially just this prototypical sort of sleazy international oil man spending time in exotic parts of the world like Yugoslavia Haiti Venezuela doing deals with local governments greasing the skids with bribes were necessary and looping in all varieties of spooks crooks and mobsters For example, in 1957, he spends about a year in Tito's Yugoslavia under the auspices of the International Cooperation Agency, the ICA. What a damn name.

Wasn't there another ICA that we covered on this spot? Yeah, there was with Martha Graham. The Institute of Contemporary Institute, it's like the Institute of Contemporary Arts or something. Yeah. Yeah. It was. It was one of these CIA cutouts that Betty Ford's mentor Martha Graham traveled around Europe with at around the same time, in fact. Yeah.

So another one of these examples of hiding in plain sight. or just like man the CIA is not all that creative it's going to have any number of cutouts but they're usually going to be the same three letters yeah and since I know that we won't get to it in this episode I'll just preview it right here when Bert Jenner eventually asks George DeMorin Schilt

were you ever an agent for any intelligence agencies DeMorin Schilt responds that, well, I was not an agent except when I went to Yugoslavia for the ICA. So even he was forthcoming about that one. Like nobody is fooled by the ICA. And of course, the reason why he was so willing to. make that admission about his time in Yugoslavia was because he was probably well aware that Jenner would have known that upon return to Dallas, George de Morin Schilt first made the

acquaintance with a fella by the name of J. Walton Moore. J. Walton Moore, as J.F.K. heads will well know, was the head of the Dallas CIA office in what was called the Domestic Contacts Division. And the 1957 debriefing of DeMoran Schilt-Bymore would be the start of a long relationship. Wait a minute, but that can't be right. Why would the CIA have a domestic contact in Dallas? isn't the CIA barred from operating within the boundaries of the United States? These things written in the Federal Register and the United States Code, Dick, these things that are known as laws, to quote John J. McCloy, why it's just a scrap of paper. Got it.

Got it. Besides an interest in oil operations in and around communist bloc countries, Moore and DeMorinschelt had even more in common. So, for example, J. Walton Moore was born in China. And so was DeMorinshilt's fourth and final one. wife, Jean. It spelled Gene, by the way, listener, but it is pronounced Jean, and George DeMorin Schilt was quick during his lifetime to correct anyone mispronouncing the name, so we're going to be faithful to the way that she pronounced it. Anyway, Zhang was also from China.

She was born in Harbin because her father, another Russian nobleman, was director of the Far East Railway, which at the time was being built by the same type of international consortium of financiers and was also chased out of the Eastern Block with the advent of communism. So Jay Walton Moore and Jean de Moorinshield bonded over their shared background. For his part, Moore was born in China, not because he was of Chinese ancestry, but because just like Time Life publisher Henry Luce, his parents were Christian missionaries. And just one more example of the minuscule size of the world that we're talking about, Henry Luce would go on to employ Dmitri von Morenschild. In addition to his cover implement at Dartmouth,

for a spell, Dmitri was operating as a Time magazine reporter. So small world, China connection, Moore and D'Morin Schilt became close couples' friends with one another. And I want you to remember this listener because, like so much, that we are laying out here in the foundational background section, this too will rear its head once again. but in the meantime we want to talk a little bit about the way in which George de Moorinshilt performed this role of sleazy international oilmen and for that Dick I will pass the mic back to you yeah and to do that I guess let's look at another trip that de Moorinshield took during this time so he went

down to Venezuela under the auspices of Pantopec oil and it is here that we can take that pin out of William F. Buckley because Pantypec was founded and run by his father, William F. Buckley senior. You don't say. Many of Pantypec's explorations were financed by joint ventures with other larger oil companies, most notably the Rockefeller Standard Oil Empire. Unsurprisingly, then, this work brought DeMorchield into the top circles of the international oil business. Yeah, and while we're on the topic of Venezuela, then, like now, right, Venezuela, has that beautiful long coastline onto the Caribbean Sea and across that sea is a beautiful island.

That island is called Cuba and then as now there was a connection between Venezuela and Kua. And that connection was exploited by this oil industrial network of which George de Moorinshilt was a part. And in fact, George de Moorinshilt, along with William F. Buckley Sr., founded a trust known as the Cuban-Venezuelan Oil Voting Trust Company. And it was created for the purpose of drilling in and around Cuba during, of course, the pre-Castro dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista. And this Cuban-Venezuelan oil voting trust company had quite the roster of investors, Quite the roster of investors who, remember, were colleagues of George de Moran Schilt. One of those investors was an institutional investor called the Empire Trust Company of New York,

which in its own right represented Brown Brothers Harriman, a lot of this other Wall Street cash that was speculating in, the spoils of American imperialism during the Cold War, and before it, to be fair. Empire Trust Company, meanwhile, was also heavily invested in general dynamics. Go figure. And to oversee its local Texas portfolio, Empire Trust Company of New York, had a local vice president on staff, and this was a fellow named Jack Crichton. And that name is another one of these names that will ring all kinds of alarm bells for real JFK heads.

And we're not going to go all the way down the Jack Crichton path, but we will satisfy ourselves by saying that Jack Crichton, was a real jack-of-all trades in the nexus between Wall Street and some of these speculative high-yield industries like oil exploration. And for example, he served as the frontman for all kinds of Wall Street investors and mobbed-up families, everybody from the Bronfmans to the Harrimans, and, of course, his check, his salary check was signed by Empire Trust at the relevant time. Interestingly enough, among Jack Crichton's many trades was also keeping a foot firmly planted

in the Russian colony of Dallas. And in that capacity, it was Jack Crichton who arranged for one of his spooked-up white Russian buddies to organize translation services for Marina Oswald. And not to open it, but just to point out a massive can of worms, a lot of those translations were seriously called into question in terms of their accuracy and the faithfulness

with which they conveyed the actual testimony of Marina, whether to the Dallas police or to the Warren Commission. So we're painting a picture here, listener. It's a picture of a community. of interests that revolve around a number of things, money first and foremost, but also oil, also arms manufacturing, also anti-communism, and also intelligence. And we could go on and on and on about George Day Moornschild and his spooked up silk-topper

Rolodex, and to do that, it would take us days. We could pull on all of these threads, and in doing so, we would probably create our own series within a series, within a series. I think for now, suffice it to say that De Mooran Shield was quite literally involved in an international business conspiracy to maximize profits, and exploitation throughout the Western Hemisphere and, indeed, the world. Part of that conspiracy was inherently political, and it frequently relied on U.S. government support,

both covertly from the intelligence agencies and overtly through official State Department channels. Yeah, and like any good conspiracy, this one also had real institutional organizations through which it operated. So Dick, maybe you want to take the first one of these organizations and tell us a little bit about the Dallas Petroleum Club. Yeah, so the Dallas Petroleum Club counted as its members, many of the Dallas White Russians, the folks in the colony, and also Texas oil barons such as H.L. Hunt, Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson. Texas School Book Depository Owner, D.H. Bird, Dallas Mayor Earl Cabell,

which is brother of Alan Dulles' Deputy General Charles Cabell, who was fired along with Dulles after the Bay of Pigs. Both the named partners in the drilling company, DeGallier, and McNaughton, as well as Prescott Bush's skull and bone's bosom friend, Neil Mallon. Mallon ran a lucrative and mysterious industrial supply company, Dresser Industries, which gave George H.W. Bush his first job out of Yale. Yeah, I mean, this petroleum club, I believe it was founded in the 1930s, really around those oil barons and they made it for themselves a fraternity through which

to network with other like-minded individuals and through which to expand their influence and of course just to avoid any doubt you mentioned many Dallas white Russians were members and of course George de Moorinshild was no exception and he obtained his membership immediately upon arrival in Dallas and incidentally the Dallas Petroleum Club still exists to this day albeit seemingly as more of a country club type situation a social club you can can find their website even and apply for membership if you want. And if you do, please feed us their secrets. But I'm glad that you mentioned Neil Malin.

Neil Malin, of course, is another one of these names that's not highly recognized, but who has played a pretty important role behind the scenes in the rise of the American Empire. And to that end, beyond the Dallas Petroleum Club, Malin was an organizing force behind another couple of Dallas-based, institutions that brought these community of interest together in what we're calling a conspiracy because it really is a way for men to plot ways to advance a common goal. That's pretty much the definition of a conspiracy.

especially when that goal is criminal, as it very well was in this case. So one of Mallon's other brainchild organizations that overlapped substantially with the Petroleum Club's membership was called the Dallas Council on World Affairs, sort of a cowboy answer to the Yankee Council on Foreign Relations, if you will. The Dallas Council on World Affairs, meanwhile, became a real source of funding for another Malin-backed organization, although not only backed by Malin, talking, of course, about the The Crusade for Freedom. Now, the Crusade for Freedom, which I believe got its early start from the founder of the Lehman

Brothers Bank on Wall Street, it served, as you might expect, as a Wall Street slush fund to funnel money to these stay behind freedom fighters over behind the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe, and to stave off the communist threat in Western Europe and to finance propaganda and influence operations both abroad and here in the United States, including by groups like the white Russian colony in Dallas. Now, Malin connected with the Bush's, Earl Cabell, connected with the Dulles, you may be sensing a pattern here that a lot of these guys

and their families feature prominently in the Republican Party. But like any wealthy elites, we want to be clear that this group likewise had its hooks in the Democrats as well. right you can't put all of your eggs in one basket and it's especially impractical to do so when you have a political system like the american one where as we've discussed almost ad nauseum at this point both political parties operate in many respects in tandem with one another to align on the basics of the American imperialist agenda while differing at the margins. And so in Texas, this was especially the case where you have still in the 50s and 60s almost unchallenged Dixie Krat reign. So remember, in 62, the governor elected was John Conn, a Democrat. He later switched parties, but that kind of signals the switch throughout the rest of

the South. But at least in the 50s and 60s, he was a Democrat. And so were, of course, Senator Lyndon Baines Johnson, as well as the junior senator from the state, Ralph Yarbrough, who likewise accompanied JFK on that fateful motorcade through Dallas on November 22nd. But back to George de Moran Shield. So besides being just another member of the Petroleum Club, he became kind of a runner for members. He went on exploratory trips to places like Mexico, Haiti, and elsewhere as their agent. Right. The agent for guys like Murchison, Richardson, Hunt, those are kind of the big three.

And I believe that George DeMorenchield did some contract work for all of them on these junkets. And when he would do these trips, he would, I think. because the case I'm with a lot of these sort of like spooked up guys right they would go with their wives as sort of a cover right it's like it's just a happy friendly family trip and this one in particular I think that you've noted down which I think is hilarious right is the De Mooran Shields go to uh they take a walking tour from Texas down the southern U.S. border through Mexico and Central America, right?

In 1960 to 1961. And wouldn't you know that this walking tour of Central America puts them in Guatemala at the same time that all our favorite spooks were there to monitor the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba? Not saying that this part of it was planned. We'll talk a little bit more about this whole dynamic between the overt functioning of life in this milieu versus the sub-rosa significance of all of these activities. But George de Moorinshilt, it is true, he lost a son in 1960 to cystic fibrosis, which it wasn't the only one of his kids who suffered from that disease, but it was the first one to succumb to the disease. And so the official narrative is that George's son dies in 1960

and to recover from the depression and sort of take his mind off of that tragedy, he and Jean start heading south, and they take with them their camera equipment to document to document the trip with lots of pictures, still pictures and moving pictures. And once again, listener, as you might predict I'm about to say, this too will come back up in just a minute. Yeah, they were trying to clear their minds of the tragic death of their son, and so they thought it would be best to survey and scout the countryside.

and record in detail the landscapes and the areas and surveil the people of the countries of Central America just to get their mind off their dead sun. Yeah. And as a matter of fact, as long as we're on this topic, I think I'll shout out to the recent Program to Chill series on Mitch Warbell. So Jimmy a couple weeks ago did an episode all about this CBS, that's the Central Broadcasting Service, coup attempt in Haiti in the 1960s, where basically a film crew is used as the vehicle to advance a overthrow of the Haitian government with the goal of setting up a forward

operating base to launch coup attempts and sabotage and sutterfuge operations against Castro. And when I was listening to that episode, amidst doing research on Georgia, DeMorin Schilt, the alarm bells were ringing at the parallels. And this is something that comes up, you know, we want to leave the really in-depth, substantive discussion of this to a particularly fateful event where the DeMoran Schultz share the fruits of their surveillance. slash tragedy vacation with other members of the Dallas community. But for now, I want you to just give a little bit of thought

to why this middle-aged couple would think that the best way to take their minds off of a tragedy would be a dangerous, exhausting, and quite labor-intensive trip to some of the more dangerous spots in the Western Hemisphere at the time. Remember, the U.S. CIA had just overthrown the democratically elected government of Guatemala six years earlier in 1954 and put in place a military dictatorship which gave rise to a series of successive palace coups within the military apparatus and even in 1960-61 there was nothing approaching stability in Guatemala and indeed until I

after the genocide sponsored by the U.S. and Guatemala in the 1980s, there would still not be any real stability there. And even as we record in March of 2025, with yet another very strained relationship between the son of one of the early democratic leaders of Guatemala in power in that country, you still see him being pressured and so far succumbing to that pressure to sell out to the Trump administration to bring it back to the present day. I believe that Guatemala has agreed to take deportees from the United States as a third country. So that means that they're even agreeing to become part of this Western Hemisphere Gulag Archipelago that Trump is setting up in a perverse inversion of Alexander

Solzhenitsyn, that old anti-Semitic novelist. I think actually this would be a good place to leave off, right? We're at the hour and a half mark. We've done quite a bit of background and discussion of George de Mourn Shield. And we've given the listener a good bit of context in this environment, the waters in which George de Moines Shield was swimming in the summer of 1962 when a 22-year-old ex-defector Lee Harvey Oswald and his 20-year-old wife, Marina, make their way back from Russia to Fort Worth, Texas. That's right. And I think that is where we will have to pick this one up next time as we discuss

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