Free With Ads - Alligator 2, with Holly Chou

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

It's Animals Attack August and this week we had guest Holly Chou  (from X-Men 97) in the studio to talk about Alligator 2: The Mutation, a movie about a giant alligator who eats people again.Tune in next week when our movie will be... The Grey.-----Watch Holly Chou in X-Men 97 where she plays Jubilee!August 30 from 2pm-5pm Holly will be doing an in store signing at Legends Comics in Clovis, CA Jordan and Holly will be at Cape and Cowl Con at Faction Brewing in Alameda on Aug 24. Find out more here!August 28th, come to the Punch Line Comedy Club in Houston to see Matt and his wife Francesca Fiorentini! https://bit.ly/mattfranhtx  

This is free with us, we're with us. the podcast that asked the question, why pay $300 for tickets to the gathering of the juggalo's when you can go online for free and watch a movie where an alligator eats a clown, which is something that almost certainly will happen at this year's gathering of the juggaloes. I'm Jordan Morris.

And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's movie is Alligator 2, The Mutation, a movie that exposes the shady worlds of toxic waste dumping and secret millionaire wrestling restaurants. With us as always is the super producer, The He Freak, Matt Lee, pitting this with those swampy ass drops.

Otis was my friend, David. He didn't deserve to be a toothpick. Oh, poor Otis. Poor Otis. Poor Otis. My best friend was eaten by a giant alligator. Honestly, I knew you were going to do something with that clip. I mean, how could you not?

My best friend didn't deserve to be a toothpick. It's like amazing line. I've got the classic old man voices. When a high school kid has to be old in a play, they use this voice. But I think it's because of that actor because you see that guy and a lot of stuff. He pops up. Maybe he was the first old guy.

He might have been, yeah. The first old man to get old. The first old man happened in 1991. We're going to talk about Alligator 2. It's going to be fun. But this is an exciting episode for many reasons. More than just the fact that we're talking about Alligator 2, the mutation, the sequel to Alligator.

It's extra special. because we have an amazing guest, an actor who you've seen in Babes and The Big Sick, whose voice you've heard in Blue Eye Samurai, Mighty Morphan Power Rangers, Rita's Rewind, and, as Jubilee and X-Men 97, Holly Chow. Hi, Holly! Hello!

Thank you for being here. We're all fans. Yeah, we're gonna act like total dorks during the whole recording and embarrass ourselves. Not me, I'm cool. Yeah, that's cool. And thank you for watching Alligator 2, which we will get to. get to, but first, we want to talk to you, our amazing guest in a segment we call

Talk to Guest. Okay. Holly, X-Men 97. So, we've chatted a little bit about this. Before you got the role as Jubilee, like, you're, you know, you are close to our age, closer to our age. You watch the show as a kid before you became on it? 100%.

That's so cool. Like most of my castmates in the new cast. Yeah, we grew up with it, dorks, obsessed with rogue. Yes. Oh, yeah. Could you do a top three X-Men? We'll exclude Jubilee because, let's say from the show or all-time. Let's say from the show.

Okay. We'll exclude Jubilee because I'm sure she's. Are we doing characters or are we doing episodes? Okay, we're doing characters. Yeah. Top three characters? Killer. Let's go around the table and do this.

Oh, yeah. Okay, go. Okay, got to be rogue. Yep. Yeah. And then from, specifically from X-Men 97, even though it's the same actor, they treat nightcrawler very differently. in X-Men 97 than in animated series.

So Nightcrawler from 97 specifically. Gosh, in the 90s, it was definitely Gambit. I mean, it's not not Gambit now, but I got to talk about Morphe, you know? You must talk about Morp. The two characters that I think most people recognize have gotten a glow up or like being treated right, you know, being represented properly in 97 are Jubilee and Morp.

And I fully agree. Like Morph and Jubilee, they're both more powerful and use their powers in more interesting ways. They've grown. They've got interesting character development things, the drama in their lives, you know. It's a really interesting thing to watch. I want to talk a little bit about your video game work. As we mentioned, you are in the Power Rangers video game. Something I've, when I've talked to video game actors in the past, they talk about the challenge of doing

efforts. It's just like, so there's the dialogue. There's like, you know, oh no, we got to get out of here. But then there's just like, you got to make 10 different punching noises. Yep. Punch to the torso, to the upper chest, to the belly. That's a gut shot. That's the side of the head. This is a jaw thing. This is, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get punched in the throat. It's them just listing places you're getting punched. And it's located in a different place. So every one of those is a different is a different effort. Right. And like getting shot is different than getting stabbed or, you know, being blown up is different than falling off a cliff, you know. How do you, do you prep for efforts?

Is there like a day where it's like, okay, we did the dialogue. Now it's just grunting. Yeah, it depends. I will try to stack it on a Friday. So it depends on how many sessions you're doing. If you're only in for one session, yeah, like stack your efforts at the end of the session, you know, at the end of your two hours or whatever. There was recently one video game where I think I was in like Monday through Friday.

And I had said, can we stack it? all on Friday. And they were like, I, it's, it's quite a few lines. So I think rather than run yourself rag it all on the Friday, maybe we just do like the last 15 minutes of each day this week. We'll, we'll do it there. And I defer to them and I think that worked. Can I ask you a question about the efforts? Do you look at old episodes of Power Rangers to try to like get inspiration? Because it's like they, you know, they got shot by things, but the bullets never went pierced anything. Actually, for Power Rangers, for Rita's Rewind, specifically, there aren't, it's not a very dialogue heavy game and there aren't a whole lot of efforts. I think it was

just, this one was not a go into studio one. This one was like record at home. And I think it was like 25 lines or something like, probably including efforts. And it might have just been like, you know, one where you're making the effort, like you're throwing a punch or throwing a kick, one where you're getting impacted. And they might do like small, medium large, like in terms of the injury. And that's, you know, maybe it. It was very different than, you know, a game, you that game where I spent a week and, you know, it wasn't just efforts in terms of getting hurt and noises and things like that, but it was sort of like anguished talking or long exclamations or things like that.

Yeah. Do you ever go method in order to get the perfect? I mean, shoot myself in the foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I have a wizard shoot me with a beam. Yeah. And then I go, wha-ha!

Like, do you ever just like, okay, quick, punch me in the stomach? That's technically not as used. as you would think it would be because that generates so much other noise. And I will tell you why I know that because in college there was somebody who had written a play and there were some pre-recorded things like dialogue with somebody who's off, you know, where the audience is. And so they were recording these things and it was just, you know, in a classroom and an empty classroom will just do the record thing. And there was one about like my character, I think, getting bullied or something and thrown into a locker or whatever. And I was like, oh, just, you know, kind of ram into this wall just to like make that effort. But the sound of me hitting the wall was so much louder than my vocal explanation.

Somebody asked the same thing about, like, do you ever chew gum when Jubilee is supposed to be chewing gum? And, again, that's technically not as helpful. There's a union gum chewing guy who comes in. A steam whistle blows and then all the gum chewers go on brick. Right, yeah, exactly. They punch out. Ironically, they do not chew gum on their bricks. They just go smoke.

Yeah, exactly. That's something funny about the gum chewing union. like so so like you you have maybe gotten to experience with this stuff like like you've gotten to meet various fandoms are the X-Men fans like especially intense I wouldn't say especially intense but also to be fair I you know my my my canon is not that large like I'm castmates with people who are in freaking everything you know they have like 20 characters all over their banner and things like that and on their tables. My biggest one, my most fandom having character is Jubilee. You know, there's Power Rangers, but that's not as much part of my table yet, both because the game sort of just came out and a lot of people haven't had a chance to play it yet. But also, that's not how I'm being billed at most of the conventions that I've gone to.

It's really all about Jubilee at the moment. A game that came out last year, year, it's one of the Yakuza games, that has started to have some people ask for signatures from that, from that character. But I will say that X-Men fans are very special, and that's, but, you know, I can't be objective about that because I am one. So that's where I'm coming from. I'm very special, so they all must be very special. Right. And I understand the things that they're talking about. If somebody were coming to talk, you know, big into like a Dragon Yakuza, I don't think I have as much of a basis

to share that with them from this side of the table even though I like it and I obviously had fun and I think that the game that I'm in is great and that the character that I got to play is great and the side karaoke game that I got to sing was great

but as far as the lore and all of that stuff I'm not as in the know about this thing. You had to sing for this game? I did. Wow! Like a butterfly which is an in-universe game it's an established game in that Yakuza Like a Dragon universe.

But, yeah, the characters have this side karaoke game, and I did have to sing. And, yeah, they, I think when I watch gameplay on YouTube or whatever, I can hear parts where they've auto-tuned it because I didn't know the song that well. And they were like, well, we'll just mush it to like what's the correct note. I do this on this podcast all the time. That adds funny stuff. All of this is going to end up being to the tune of Uptown Girl. That's right. That's a huge Billy Joel guy.

Yeah. They, you know, for that, I don't know how it works, you know, if there's a consistency or a standard across games. For this one, they did not, you know, like in a musical theater thing, have, give you a musical director and have you rehearse it and learn the song in those things. They basically sent me the instrumental, the Japanese original version. And that actor, the original Japanese V-O, turns out, is a pop singer. No way. So she can sang, sang. You know, I can carry a tune.

But, yeah, they sent the English lyric sheet, and I think they sent a scratch track of, like, somebody singing it sort of where the syllables go. And then, yeah, I went in, and they had planned a session, a recording session just for the song. I forget how long it was. Maybe it was like four hours or something like that. And I'm like, I've never been in a session where they used all four hours. It'll be fine. And I should have saved more. Like, I kind of blew out my, I didn't blow out my voice in the beginning.

Four hours is a long time to be singing. I did take the, I did take the bloom off of my voice, maybe, by going kind of hard in the beginning of the session. And I really should have let it settle in, kind of figure out how the session was going to go and how that was all going to go before I, you know, went all out. Okay, we got the song now. you were getting kicked in the knee 30 times. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So this is really cool.

When I reached out and asked about this pod, you were like, oh, it's really cool that you guys have done alligator and frogs. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you like an animal's attack movie. I do. I didn't always, and I wasn't, I don't think of my, I'm definitely not somebody who seeks out horror, but the fun of it has, you know, I've sort of come around on that in the last, I don't know. a decade or so. I like Colchak.

I like practical effects and rubber suits and like, you know, the stuff that makes it fun. And then something like frogs is just so bizarre that it's got Ray Milland and Sam Elliott. Yeah. Like a young, super hot in the audience. And it's got this environmental, you know, message. And it's not just frogs. It's also the lizards in the greenhouse. There's barely any frogs in frogs.

Not a lot of frogs and frogs. Microgatea frogs? I don't know frogs. Well, yeah, so we watched Alligator 1 a few months back for this show. I think we watched it. I don't think any of us had ever heard of it, but there were these clips that Emily was sending us from TikTok of the Alligator, like, fucking shit up.

That's so funny because I only had watched Alligator before because I rented a room from Robin Riker, who plays the Herpetologist. Oh, cool. Like in 2021. I think it was 2021. I was shooting a TV show called Players about a fictional

League of Legends team. It was by the same creators as American Vandal. And so I was local harp. So I was in L.A. for like two months. And I think the first portion of that, I was subletting my friend's apartment

while she was on her honeymoon. And then after that, I went looking at like, you know, the posting things for actors and whoever who are looking for places. So I ended up renting the sort of apartment attached to the house that she and her her husband, her cinematographer, husband have, and they were lovely people. Oh, my God, that's so cool. Was there a frogs poster in the house? And you were like, what the hell is it?

It was Alligator. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the world's hottest herpetologist. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. To this day. Yep. Yeah, she had posters for alligator.

I don't know. she had a poster for alligator i think there was but there was definitely a poster for um shoot what is it called there there are too many similarly themed movies but it was like crocodile no step step step mother step monster it's not step monster per anaconda but it's one where like the the stepmother is an alien and she and like alan thick is the is the dad and then she is the hot young growing pains yeah they reveal in the last episode of growing pain that Alan Thick was an alien the whole time. I'm worried now that I'm conflating things and it's not Alan Thick, but it's definitely

her. But that is so cool. Is that why you watched it? Yeah, well, I was talking to them. I would chat with them. They're lovely, lovely people and I would play with their dog and I would chat with them. And I think they said at one point that either the DVD was in there in the apartment and I just watched it or we talked about it somehow and they loaned me the DVD.

But anyway, I watched the DVD. It was great. It's so good. I mean, the way they make that alligator look enormous. They made the sets tiny and all that stuff. Boy, this movie couldn't be bothered. Not a lot of that. Not a lot of, yeah, I wouldn't say this movie has a lot of effort in it.

Or alligator. Yeah, sure. Yeah, barely. A lot of eye. A lot of alligator eyeball. Get some voice actors in here to do some efforts because this movie, whatever. I got it. Yeah, yeah, it's a callback.

So, let's talk about this thing, huh? Alligator. It is Animal's Attack August, you guys. Thank you, Matt. Thank you for reminding us. It's our first time ever doing this, and I hope we do it every year. Yes, right. There are so many movies about animals fucking people up, and we need to watch them.

And that's why we made this thing. We made something? What? I mean you made something? Animal Attack August. Was that a dinosaur roar at the end? No, it's a Godzilla roar. Wow, wonderful.

I was thinking dinosaurs because some of the, like, goat noises or whatever reminded me of when they feed the T-Rex in. That's right. We have a deep, deep love for Godzilla, especially Godzilla 1998 and a song from it. That's right, right. Oh, come with me? No.

No. Brain stew, Godzilla version. Because Brains stew, but, you know, Green Day, the roar from Godzilla makes the song better. Yeah. Like, it's so good. I agree. So we are a fan.

Well, yeah, let's talk about alligator two, the mutation. Yeah. It starts out with a logo for the film and the sound effect, dun, done, for a microsecond. I'm like, is this law and order? Yeah. Is this in the law and order universe? It is not, unfortunately.

I got to be honest. Might as well have been that. Yeah, well, no iced tea. You know, it was all about the, like, city corruption and all that stuff and not about alligators. Yeah, and a cop who literally knows everyone's name. Yes, he's a man of the people, don't you see? Yeah.

Solo lobo. I've never met a man. I've just never met a man who knows everyone's name. Right. There are only seven people in this town, so it wasn't that. I think I just know a lot of men who don't remember my name. That might be it. We've been dating for five months

Oh, wife Stop calling me kiddo Partner Here's the twist He doesn't remember their names He has like he's a result He has it all written done And then he pulls it out

When he sees them So that he can pretend That he is a man of the people Yep So we start out Some sewer guys are doing A job for a mafia guy They're dumping stuff in the sewer

They're sewer guys They're being watched over by a mafia guy Or a real estate guy Who the fuck knows? He's a little guy He's a little guy This is Vinny or something something he's the bad guy um i did wonder why he was there because if you're gonna hire goons

to do your work for you isn't the point to keep your own to stay away from it that's an amazing point it's like yeah right that's why you would hire blue collar guys to do this is so no one can connect you to it but you just hang around and watch them right he just didn't want to do the manual labor but he's totally fine if everybody knows it was him i got nothing else to do tonight he also didn't bother to like scrub the name off of future chemicals off of the like the the barrels so maybe he doesn't care if he's like come from me you can't do anything I'm untouchable kink like watching people do his dirty work yeah yeah dump my chemicals my lawyer keeps yelling at me because I keep signing my name on stuff that is illegal finally uh the mafia voice we

love to do makes sense yeah we can do it we can do it and it makes sense because there's a guy you gotta talks like this in the movie um did you notice that of the goons by the way i'm totally derailing us from the beginning no but did you notice that of the goons one of them is actually concerned about what the chemicals are going to do to the environment? It's a goon with a conscience. Indeed. We love that. They immediately gets slapped down for that, so he learns his place.

So, we have some, we go to some fishing guys. They're fishing and they get killed by Alligator. They were hunting and now they are the hunted. How ironic! I think it's good that we point out that this

movie is taking place in the exact same place as the first movie. but it's, I guess, 11 years later or whatever, and they don't know anything about the alligator from the first movie. You'd figure that would be like the talk of the town for generations. You'd think they'd string them up and like make a taxidermy thing

at their natural history museum. You'd think they would have put a sign in the area where that happened, all that stuff happened. Yeah, how, yes, how quickly we forget when an alligator kills a bunch of people in our city. Yeah, it's like the white walkers, but it's not hundreds of years later. It's like literally 11 years later.

And yes, the first movie took place in, air quote, Chicago, clearly L.A. This movie is also, air quote, Chicago, clearly L.A. It's even more clearly L.A. this time. They're like near Silver Lake. Angeline drives by. You can see the Hollywood sign in most of the shots. And there's only like two places that they go. Yeah.

This is a very cheap movie. This movie, like, they had echo, they rented Echo Park to shoot in. for two days and then just like a guy's house, their friend's house. But they hired the mom from E.T., which she's like, if I saw her and I went, okay, this is a quality product. Right. This is where all the money went. She's worked with Spielberg.

Right. E.T. mom, and then they're like, well, we're going to have to cut down on all the alligator scenes. We can have the mom from E.T. but no alligator. That's the compromise. But Spielberg is used to that too. There you go. That's very true.

Right. And aren't all of these just jaws ripoffs? So it is kind of fitting. Including Jurassic Park. Oh, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. The man will rip himself off. So we got the alligator killed some guys.

We won't see that alligator for a long time. A long time. But then we go to El Solo Lobo, the lead of the film. He's a cop. You know how I knew he was a cop? Because he's just got guns and handcuffs laying around in his house. He, like, wakes up and tries to slap off his alarm clock and has to move a gun. Like, you know.

If that's a joke, that is like legitimately hilarious, but if that is just them going like, how will we know he's a cop, put a gun? And have his wife pretend stage a home invasion, like pretend it was a home invasion for his birthday. That was wild. So, yes, so this is what happens. Okay, buckle up. So it is, so he's a cop. He's called El Solo Lobo, the lone wolf.

With a cake to match. With a cake topper to match. What's a cake topper? So he goes downstairs, his wife. and son have made this birthday video for him. Kind of a horny one, too. A little horny. Incredibly horny.

I know. It's like, get the kid out of there. And shaming. They're both like, both the mom and the kid are shaming him in his own birthday video. But working too much. It's, it's the 90s and it's a dad in a movie, so he has to work too much. All 90s dads worked too much. And they're going like, it's your birthday.

Don't work too much. We want to see you. And then the mom makes some horny remarks. And they leave a cake for him. By the way, I was positive they were leading a, up to a thing of the mom and son are dead and he just watches this every year. No, they legitimately did this.

Oh, you mean like minority report style? Yes, that's what I thought was happening. No, and he just this legitimately happened and he has as Holly mentioned a cake that says like happy birthday El Solilo lobo and on top of the cake is a wolf shooting a gun.

What do you have to say? A wolf in a cop uniform. What do you say to the guy at the bakery? So happy birthday, great. We got that we do that a lot and we also need a wolf and a cop outfit shooting a gun yeah and they have it yeah on top of the cake oh and a cake for a gay wedding i'm sorry i didn't mean to ask oh sorry i know it's nineteen one ninety one i can't i can't do it i'll do the i'll do the cop gun wolf that cop gun wolf is multi-purpose so like it would be fit in at any gay wedding that's true

or straight wedding an icon yes and i think any wedding that would be so funny yes um yes listen if uh if the next the next person in here to get married you have to have a cop gun wolf on the top of your cake it just has to happen so fucking wild so yeah dad works too much and then before the video cuts off did you get this mom

says see you later alligator I did catch that it's a good movie the movie's good we love the movie I love it also but aside from establishing that he works too much and doesn't see his family El Solo Lobo also establishing that he

does not work with partners. He works alone, including in his own family and home life. Yes. But this is kind of interesting. El Solo Lobo has to open up. This is his arc, I guess. I guess maybe the movies, you know, has some screenwriting in it. He opens himself up not to just a rookie partner, but he teams up with his wife.

So they're trying to figure out who killed the, who killed the fisherman in the park. And his wife works at a science lab. So they send her all the like, you know, blood or whatever. and she works in the most science-ass science lab. It's beakers with colored water. It's bunsen burners. It's like this is like what a kid thinks science is. It's a bubbling titration tube when that's not how you distill things.

Oh, so you had some issues with the science. Yes, the science of alligator too bothers me. Not the science of the alligator, but the science in the lab. Right. That's true. And the freeze amino acids. Oh, my God. Isn't that just like a face moisture?

Like, what the fuck is that? But I think we do kind of have a love for bad labs. Bad lab? Street fighter, there was a pretty fun little lab. It was a good lab. With just like, you know. Gatorade. Yeah, it's like jello shots and tubes pretty much.

Gatorade saline drips that they were giving to Blanca. You need a mad scientist lab. Otherwise, how will you know that there's science happening? Yes. Otherwise, how will you know when it's time to do the monster math? There you. Sure, yes. Where will you work late one?

nights if you don't have a laugh. And he does, speaking of working late one night yes, didn't she say in the video like oh, the reason we have to do this by video is because you work nights and you're always asleep and we're awake and et cetera. But then he goes to work in its daytime. Yeah, I know. It is so right.

I mean, yeah, he goes to work at noon and then he, okay, so he goes out to like Echo Park where most of this movie happens. Yeah. He's like talking to this woman who, so the, There's these rich developer guys, Vinnie from the opening. They're trying to, like, use the alligator attack to, like, drive out the, like, the, like, immigrant population so they can buy it all up.

P.S. This movie, good politics. Yeah, weird. This movie has weirdly great politics. It is like, yeah, it is like. Woke. Yeah, yeah, it's a woke movie about alligators. Hey, 19, it's the wokeest movie of 1991. Alligators doing gentrification.

Yeah. So he's like, he's like kind of talking to this woman who's like being displaced by all the rich owner guys. And her kid throws a beach ball in the water. It gets eaten by the alligator. The kid is like traumatized. They all run up to him. He's like crying and they all stop what they're doing and just run to this kid whose ball got eaten. And the detective says, I want to make sure I get it right.

He says, so the kid's like, well, he got my ball. And he goes, have a stick. a gum, it'll make you feel good. As a stick of gum, it'll make you feel good. But wasn't he chewing gum to try to keep himself from smoking cigarettes? Oh, because the kid guilted him about that too in the birthday

video. That's right. It has an anti-smoking message, too. He was really chewing cud with that. He was like, walking around, smoking, like, not smoking, smacking the gum. And I was like, oh my God, is he going to be smacking gum through this whole movie? And then he offered the gum to the kid, and I'm like, was that nicotine gum?

He just gave that kid that kid. But my favorite thing about that scene is, I mean, we're, up for three days. Exactly. We're used to alligator one where the gator was enormous, like the size of a street. And this, the ball looked too big for its mouth. Yep. Right. This was just a normal sized even pygmy alligator.

I would say the gator's size fluctuates. That's true. That is true. They are inconsistent about the size. Yeah, maybe it was a different time in the alligator's cycle. There was like, you know, you might be right. You might be right. Luteal phase.

He's evolving. He's mutating. Yeah. Anyway, so he gets home super late. His wife is mad. She's wearing a dress. She has passive aggressively overcooked his dinner. He has, okay, she gives him this like burnt ass steak.

Which is how most dads from that 90s era eat their steak anyway. Yeah, well done with ketchup. Yeah, that is a 1991 dad steak. And the steak is gross looking. but even worse is the awful potato she gives him. It's just a raw potato cut in half. Yeah, no side salad? No, yeah.

I'm pretty sure raw potato is poisonous. Can't you just not eat a raw potato? Maybe she's trying to kill him. Green potatoes are poisonous, but you can't actually eat raw potatoes. I had a stage manager once who, like, there were potatoes peeled as a prop, and she would just eat them like apples. Wow. Wild.

That's a thing you do. Well, that's a thing that's something to do. Maybe she was getting violently ill at home every night and we just didn't see it. Well, they say that, like, I just looked it up recently because I'm, like, trying to eat better. Potatoes have a lot of nutrients in there. They're actually very fucking good for you. They're very nutrients. So I'm going to be eating a lot of baked potatoes lately.

Not going to poop for a while. That's good. And I think that's okay. Yeah. It's self-care. Yeah. Eating potatoes and not pooping. Pooping is self-care.

Poofing. That's what I call it when I poof. Because it comes out as a little cloud. Just dust. As a wee cloud. So, okay. So then, so he's like, look at, he's, this wife's mad at him and he goes off to keep finding the alligator. In a trench coat.

In a trench coat. As, yeah, Holly, as you mentioned, he knows everybody in town and there's this hard cut. He is beloved by everybody in town. He's beloved by everyone in the town, El Solo Lobo, everyone loves him. There's this hard cut of him leaving his house to him dancing with the odor of a taco truck. It's the hardest cut. It just goes from him walking out to him dancing with this woman who's loving. dancing madly.

Why are all the good men married? Something like that, yeah. Why are all the good men El Solo Lobo? They're all married gay or El Solo Lobo. Why is El Solo Lobo not El Lobo single? Thanks. The amount of like Chicano representation in this movie, after a while, I was like, just be in L.A.

It was so strange to me because it's like he's dancing at Taco Trucks. He's going to Echo Park. He's meeting with, what was the name? the crazies. Oh, crazy boys? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about this. We'll come back to the restaurant.

They should have been in the Warriors. Yeah, I know. Or West Side Story. So he interviews, so, okay, so in the park, he's like looking for more alligator clues and this group of, this group of street tuffs approaches him. And I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, okay, well, here's where the movie becomes putrid, right? Like, here's where the movie fucks up.

No. Nope. These street tufts, he believes them. He wants to help them. They're the good guys. And you can see it briefly when they turn around. Their jackets all say, the crazy boy. It's the best gang name.

I think their logo is a skull with two hockey sticks. It's, yes. Well, recall, too, that their sort of introduction is he's smoking and he lights a cigarette for the gang leader. One of the crazy boys. He, like, he won't smoke himself, but he. He will put a cigarette to his lips and then put it in his mouth. Yeah. That's how much he respects the crazy boys.

That's such a funny, like, first thought gang name that a 50-year-old white guy wrote. Yeah. I just, well, not to, again, derail, but we're both doing Cape and Cowell Khan, which we'll talk about later. But I saw today a post that one of the vendors for, like, food is, I think it's called Hot Boys. Oh, hot boys. I've had the Hot Boys. That is, if you're in the Bay Area and you want a great chicken sandwich. Call the hot boys.

Is it super spicy? It's very spicy. Now where are the fuck boys? I need their truck. They're everywhere. They are everywhere. But I need them in a truck. I need a side of slaw.

Exactly. Check the free clinic for all the fuck boys. No, thank you. So, okay. So kind of in between him meeting the crazy boys and dancing with the woman who owns the taco truck, he goes to check out. I don't know why he knows how to go. here. Who cares?

He goes to this restaurant that the rich developer guys all own. They call it a country club. Right. And inside this fancy restaurant is wrestling. And we just watch 15 minutes of wrestling.

A long time. And so one of the other characters in this is like the mayor's daughter and she's a real like lefty bleeding heart type. And she's like on the trail two, and she, like, goes to the wrestling restaurant and she's disgusted with it. Because her dad is there. Because her dad is in league. The mayor is in league with the corrupt

developer. That makes sense. I thought she didn't like wrestling. She's just anti-wrestling. Yeah, I think that... Doesn't know it's fake. Her old dad, she's like, you should be eating egg whites and checking your blood sugar. Like, I don't know. That's what all... What are you doing in this house of ill repute? Exactly. Watching men hitting each other with folding chairs. Those are for sitting. Sitting! I got to say, I'm in Nashville when, like, 2000 I guess nine or whatever. There was kind of a thing going on in Nashville at the fairgrounds where they were putting, they created their own MMA kind of league.

And it was the guy who owned like a bunch of restaurants in Nashville. And I got to waitress, cocktail waitress at the MMA thing at the fairgrounds. Wow. And the opening. It was fun. But the opening entertainment was eight-year-old boys fighting each other. Oh, my. That actually sounds kind of chill.

I think I would watch that. Because they were trying to promote, like, they had opened all these, like, places to train and stuff. They were trying to start their own league, so kids were there. And so we're just watching kids beat each other up. A pound energy drinks. Was there any kind of form to this? It was wrestling or it was, like, boxing? No, it was M.A. They were in a cage.

There was a cage. Bare knuckle boxing between eight-year-olds. Yes. Yes. Fistakuffs. Yes. They dip their hands in glass, like in kickboxer. And their dads were kind of on the side going, ah, you know.

Yeah. Those MMA dads. Yes, so this kind of reminded me of that of, like, rich men who are like, I want to pay for this independent thing to watch men beat the shit out of each other. There is so much wrestling in this movie. I'm just like, am I still watching wrestling in this alligator movie? It was sponsored by. It had to have been, right?

Yeah. Man, they didn't even wrestle the alligator. That would have been so cool. That would have been great. He should have busted into that place. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So many cool things could have happened in this movie.

My guess was that it was a reason. originally stripping. And they were like, we want to keep our PG rating. Is this movie PG? It's got to be. That's really fine. Let's see. That is a very good question.

That would explain why it's so boring, but I doubt it. I would say it's PG-13. No, it had started because it was Temple of Doom that really started PG-13. Oh, was that the first PG-13 movie? Yeah. So Alligator 2 is PG-13, according to Google. But I think you're right in that stripping would have given it an R rating. It would have given an R rating.

Definitely. I mean, I got to say it's shot in 1991, but it looks like it is shot in 1975. Yeah. Like the quality of this movie. Well, it's direct to video, so they had no illusions about where it was going. Oh, it never made it to the theaters. I don't think that was the intention. I like the idea that they even filmed it direct to a VHS tape.

Yeah. They taped over someone's vacation video. Yeah, this is the ring. Actually, some of the vacation still remains in the movie. You can still see someone's trip to Tampa. At the end of this movie, you get a phone call that says seven days. Oh, no. You will wrestle an alligator in seven days.

Oh, cool. Sweet. That sounds awesome. So, okay, so the mayor's daughter, she's, like, on to this, and she, like, goes to the police precinct to, like, complain. And that's when she meets, like, the rookie. This is El Solo Lobo's partner. Well, she meets the rookie in the bathroom.

Right. Yeah, there's this kind of thing where El Solo Lobo... The rookie's being hassled, being bullied by his other cop. Yeah. So they already kind of... like know each other but then she goes and the rookie this part is fucking wild so she she's like storming out and he's like hey you always wear such tight pants oh my god i forgot about that you got a great backyard anybody ever tell you you got a great backyard so he says that sounds hairy and she

is into it loves it yeah that fucking works you and then it like hard cuts to them at a bar And then he's doing this dramatic monologue about his dad. His dad hitting him. Yeah. It's, and she loves that. Yeah, it works. She kisses him from that. She's like, oh, you told me I have a great backyard and you have baggage about your abusive dad.

Nobody's ever told me. I had a sweet dump her. You like my turt cutter? Swoon. And you have unresolved trauma with your parents? Yeah, that was such a bummer. I'm like, God, damn. that would kill it for me.

Anytime I go on a date and someone gives me the like dumping of emotional baggage. Third date, third date. Yeah, yeah. And then kind of dabble do it. Don't like do a whole big one at once. First date is for eating the serfinter.

Yes. Second date is for trauma. Eating is the servant turf? Is that another word for the front? No, I'm talking about you going to the day. The front and the back. I'm talking about red lobster. You guys are disgusting.

Literally talking about red lobster. Which one is. The turf. That's the turt cutter. I mean, that makes surf is fish. I thought turf would be, oh no, you're right. I thought turf would be the front because of landscaping. Oh, I mean a turd.

Surf, yes. So. It's neither. It's cheddar bay biscuits. There you go. No, that's the. Free with purchase. That's the titties.

I like how we both thought that too. All are disgusting. That's what Beyonce was talking about. Well, there's, we got, like, dairy involved in there and then two bees. I had no idea. Red Lobster was so horny. Oh, it is. Oh, boy. So, okay, so they

like, they like, they love it. They're, like, making it at the bar and they go to his house. Which has a jukebox in it for some reason. Which has a jukebox and hundreds of framed pictures of airplanes. I didn't notice that. What fucking

psycho just frames pictures of planes and puts them next to each other on his wall and she She's still like, oh, I can't wait to fuck this guy. She's like, show me your Hot Wheels collection. Yeah, oh my God. It's all the same as the, like, the framed pictures of planes is coming from the same place as the dad's story as, you know.

Nothing but red flags. She's just like, I don't know. I just was really charmed by the sexual harassment I received. They had started her off as this, like, tough, you know, rebellious. Yeah, kind of progressive. Yeah, progressive. a young whippersnapper. Yeah.

You know, whatever. And then just immediately, like, didn't do anything with her at all. Yeah. So then, okay, so it's kind of on. They, like, go into the sewers to chase the alligator. You know what? We're kind of coming up on the finale.

Let's do this. Let's take a little break. And then we'll come back and finish it off. We're back. It's free with ads. We are here talking about Alligator 2 with Holly Chow. Hi. Hello. Thank you for being here.

You're an X-Men 97. That is really cool. Yes, it is. It's very cool. So, you know, so they're going down in the sewer looking for the alligator. The Vinny, the mafia guy, he's hired. He's hired alligator hunters. Yes.

After arresting or having Solilobo arrested. Right. Yes. Which how can anybody do that? How do you house arrest a cop? How do you arrest any cop? Without declaring any charges. Yeah, there's a lot of red tape usually.

And how is he allowed to do that? But anyway, but immediately after he's like, I'm taking care of the problem. Like, you know, the cops can't do it. I'm going to take care of it myself. Get me alligator hunters. Yeah. So these alligator hunters, like, come to the office. They look like a gang, too.

So I'll say, lead alligator hunter very well cast. He's a very craggly character-actory kind of guy. He's got like a bayou boy. He's a by-you boy. And then around him, they just put some fatigues on an improv team. They're the least tough looking guys. They're just like, here, here, goof troops, like put on these. Anyway.

And if you think that anyone would know. about the alligator from the first film, it would be this gang of alligator hunters. But they had to bring them up from somewhere. Oh, really? I don't think they were local. Yeah. They weren't local.

I kind of like the idea that they have a local just like, they all are just sitting in a shack waiting for the call. In Chicago. Exactly. In the south side, just a bunch of Nautland's boys. Yeah. Whittling and going, I'm just here for the crawlfish. I hope they found a gator forced to kill.

I'm taking my fan boat all the way to the Chicago Bulls game. We're going to have a good time. I love this new character, Matt. Me too. Is that your Bayou accent? That's my guy, yeah. You gotta just sound like a little nerd guy. No, not me.

I'm a Bayou boy. I'm a Bayou boy. I'm a Bayou boy. You kind of sound like Beck Benedict. What's his name? Beck, the guy from SNL? Beck Bennett. Beck Bennett.

Beck Bennett. Is this what his regular voice sounds like? 100%. All right. Got a goal on my fan boat. So everybody's in the sewers. This is kind of like the alligator carnage has kind of started. The alligator chomps up all the alligator hunter guys.

They're able to feed it a bomb, which it doesn't detonate. But they know the gator has a bomb in it. So then it goes top side and starts fucking up this. Which I got excited at this point. Because you think this is going to be the wedding scene, right? You're like, this is the wet. This is this movie's version of that. They chose to make this dark.

Yeah. Which the wedding scene was such a badass scene because it was daylight. So they're really going to show off their, you know, practical effects and stuff. Yeah, a carnival for kids that starts at 10 p.m. Right. And it's to get people, like, excited about guys' development. Yeah, that was weird. It's a housing carnival.

You could like sell your land at the thing. Oh, he was trying to get, like, the residents there to, like, take a payout or something here. You know, it would have been a lot simpler is if he was there trying to build that chemicals, like, lab and he was doing it over this, like, pond or something, where he was going to screw the neighborhood and their water supply was going to be fucked up full of chemicals or something. But instead, there was, like, this development thing and he was doing some chemical research stuff. He's got a finger in many pies. Yeah, yeah. He was also, like, sponsored that wrestler, that, you know, that was his guy. Oh, that's right, Ramon.

Yeah. Yeah. The name of the alligator in the first movie. Really? That's a fun Easter egg. She, like, if it's implied that the herpetologist is also the little girl in the beginning who takes the elevator, right. She named it Ramon. That's right.

She does. That's fun. Maybe this is a good movie. No, no. Jordan, don't do this. I like the movie now. No. So there's a lot of fun stuff at the carnival.

There is Amelia the serpent woman, who is this kind of erotic snake charming woman who is there. There's like a new wave band. There's a clown on stilt, who I think is the tallest person in the movie. There it is. Tallest guy. There it is. So, you know, the alligator's fucking stuff up. The Vinny Mafia guy takes the mayor on the Ferris Will and shoots him.

But also before that... Crazy is place to have this conversation. Before that had the police chief murdered. Yeah. Yeah. But also it's like, all right, let's get on the Ferris wheel together. We're business partners. Let's ride the Ferris wheel.

I love that too because he's just like, he probably, he did it, you know, what, at the top of the Ferris wheel? And he has to come down. Well, I should have done it closer to the grounds. It feels like a terrible idea. Oh, no. It's taking me right to the police. I would be suspicious. You see the whole carnival from here.

I would be suspicious as a teen running that thing. I saw these two men in suits just, like, squished in there. Is that a common, like, mafia trope, though? Or like... Going on a Ferris wheel? I feel like it's a thing of, like, we'll get away from the Madden crowd and we'll get, you know, to the top of the Ferris wheel

to discuss our business. But the thing is, there's people before and front of you in the Ferris wheel. I'm not saying that it's a good trope, but I feel like it's a thing that has happened in more than just this movie. Right. I could see having that, like, a, you know, mafia conversation at the top of Ferris wheel. But I don't remember one.

Yeah, there's a monk episode. Oh. So monk copied alligator to the mutation. I knew it. I knew it. I blame Tony Shalub. Yeah. So the alligator fucks everything up.

And for some reason, maybe this is commentary on how heavily armed the police are. El Solo Lobo and the rookie just have missile launchers. Yeah. And they, okay. Why did you just use this in the first place? It will just, you have the, anyway. They thought the dynamite would do it. Right.

But they also had grenades. Do cops just have grenades? I guess. Ever since Reagan. Yeah. Really? Thanks a lot. Boy, he was busy being bucking shit.

Yeah, bad dude. So yeah, they blow up the alligator and he takes out a cigarette and he's like, nah, I've had enough of the toxic chemicals. Oh. Reddit. Kids don't smoke. They did have this, like, weapon that had some kind of drug in it

that was gonna kill the alligator. His wife, like, synthesized something or other that was supposed to be this injectable. And that doesn't go anywhere. And it didn't work. Well, we'll just shoot it with these missile launchers we have. Also, the fact that they were a married couple also didn't have anything to do with anything.

Yeah. And that he worked too much, didn't have anything to do with it. He had no, he didn't come around on any of that. Sure. Yeah. I guess he came around on, like, having a partner. Maybe that's his, but. And I think there's this little thing

that they set up that's like almost interesting where it's like him and his wife and then the rookie and the mayor's daughter all go out on this weird double date to find an alligator and I'm like this could be kind of you know and he's kind of estranged from his wife and they like they're like they don't have a sex life

it's like what if they like re-ignited their passion with this alligator hunt? Nah the movie doesn't really like isn't really concerned with that. The opportunity's right there. They just wanted everybody to be nice people except for the bad guys. Like, even, like, was friends with the elderly man who lived in the sewer, right?

The whino, which I always was confused with what whino meant because I thought whino just meant somebody who was snobby about wine. I guess it's somebody who just drinks wine all day. I think so. I think it's meant someone who, like, has cheap wine and is always. Oh, I'm a whiter drinking rocket fuel. That's why people are calling me that. Who they also, by the way, knew by name when the police chief, when the police chief, like,

or somebody was like, oh, some transients. where whatever. And he's like, oh, well, who was it? It's like, your friend, you know, Dan or whoever. Yeah. Why no Bob? And he also says the buddy who becomes a toothpick, he goes, he was a good guy, wasn't he? Right.

He was like, so you knew that you knew that guy, too. That's so crazy. You should have maybe helped them. Yeah. He did his best, you know. They also weirdly, I don't know if the order got rearranged, but they talk about the transient because the first, I don't, I forget who he's talking. Oh, it's when he was meeting with the crazy boys.

that the guy is saying like, oh, we know that Brown, the real estate guy, the evil guy is committing these murders to scare us out of the neighborhood or to get us out of the neighborhood. And Solo Lobo is the guy who's like, no, it's an alligator because there were, you know, it wasn't just the missing guys from your community. It was these transients. But that hasn't happened yet. We see it happen later. Unless there are other transients. My God. Solo Lobo can see the future.

Wow. This whole thing about him being a psychic cop that got cut. He's actually committing all the murders. He's the alligator the whole time. He's the alligator the whole time. I actually have the clip of that scene. I just liked it so much because I like, he's talking about this evil developer, and then he has to convince him, I'm sorry, this is actually a movie about a giant alligator.

Here's that clip. They're killing people, man. This brown, he might be a bad dude. So what? This is crazy boy's turn. It wasn't brown and killed your child of brothers. There's a big alligator in this lake. Look, pluck, pluck.

I just, I love that. Just a lake, too, is what's so mind-blowing to me. Like, couldn't get a, I don't know, a river or something. Right. At least in the original. It looks like a man-made lake. He's in, yeah. So the lake feeds into the sewer.

Right. That's not a good lake. Yeah, that's true. That's a shit-filled lake. Yeah, that people are fishing in. and find a big fish before they get... What the fuck? Well, yeah, that's alligator-to-the-mutation.

We're going to rank it on a scale of one to ten super loud commercials, but first, we got to do the hunk-watch. It's hunk-wock-wot. Holly, for every episode, we have a hunk. A hunk can be any gender. Hunk can be any species. We've had some non-human hunks. Godzilla has been a hunk.

Godzilla is a hunk. The predator. Yeah, oh, yeah. Yes, thick thighs and lives. Holly Did anyone stand out Anyone or thing stand out as a hunk

to you in this movie I mean I think we gotta say Alligator 2 Like the alligator The alligator The alligator 2 The name of the alligator The first one was Ramone

This is alligator to Oh yeah they didn't give him a name This one though He's not really a hunk More than he's like A little chunk I mean that's my type Yeah

Like a little chunk I like little chunks I mean thick thighs take life There is that one shot of him Like it's a side view of him, like, in a tunnel, and you see his, like, fat little alligator legs that I think are very cute. They are cute. Oh, my God. They are cute. I think alligator elbows are so funny and cute. Yeah. They're just like those chubby little arms. I love that. They have such scary mouths,

and then they have these cute little legs. That's like a T-Rex, kind of, you know. Emily, anybody stand out to you as a hunk? I'm going to go with the rookie. I think the rookie was very cute. He was cute. And kind of a piece of shit, which, you know, that's my kind of guy. He likes, he's a backyard guy, too. But he had a difficult childhood with his dad. Nobody ever tells me I have a nice ass. It's just like, I get it, I get it. It's fun. And refers to it as a backyard.

DM flooding in five. Right, you better get on there. Go Reddit, go. Why do people keep DMing me? Nice ass, my dad beat me. I just think they, oh, I thought Matt said that. Yeah. Matt, any thoughts on the hunks?

My hunk is going to be. the leader of the crazy boys. Oh, yeah, he was a good. That's my runner-up. Yeah, the craziest boy, I assume. You like him crazy. Yeah, he just, he's just really hot. Like, he's just actually a very attractive man.

Totally. And his scene, I thought, was, I was impressed with someone actually trying in a movie. Yeah. That's a sequel to Alligator One. He just did a great job. I just felt bad for him in that moment where he says, I'm so sorry this is an alligator movie Gotta say though crazy boys

Weren't that crazy They were not They were quite reasonable You know what Some say they're the sanest people in the movie I know You know society has gone wild When the crazy boys are the sanest of them all

The crazy boys have become The reasonable men We all grew up We got new jackets Their logo is just a skull Doing its taxes They're in blazers now Their logo is just a Salesforce logo.

They're unionized. So I'll just go real quick, go ahead and give it up to Amelia the Serpent Woman. Yeah. Oh, all right. Yeah, another notable hunk. All right. So we've talked about the hunks. Now we have to talk about the quality of the actual film.

We are going to rank Alligator 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 super loud commercials. Oh, let me come back. We're back. It's free with ads. We're talking about Alligator 2 with Holly Chow, who is a Power Ranger and an X-Men fucking rat. Cool. That's about how I feel about it. By the way, I just looked up the jubilee.

action figure for 97. Very cool. Which one? The Hasbro... The Marvel Legends? I don't know. It was the one on the Walmart.com. The Walmart.com. It's not a Funkopopop. It's... No, no, no. Not the Funkopopop. It's getting... The yellow jacket is like rubbery. It's a black suit with a purple, like, collar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's kind of... I guess they made the jacket you could take off, but it's made out of like a rubber. Which is so smart because my rogue jacket has pretty much disintegrated the one I've had since

the 90s and I'm bummed about it. So wish they'd done that? They gave me one of those at San Diego. It's not released yet. It doesn't come out until October, but they came to you. I'm getting it for sure. I love that jacket. I love like, she's got arguably the coolest costume.

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Well, you said we're going to rank alligator. Oh, excuse me. Alligator 2, the mutation. Yes. They get very different scores. Of course. Yeah. Would you like to rank Alligator 1?

I would love to hear your Alligator 1 score. I haven't rewatched it recently, but I think I'm going to give it an 8, just based on my feelings about it from the last time I watched it. And Ann Robin, who's cool. And also, aside from playing the herpetologist, did you know she's also the witch mom in Buffy, in that episode where the cheerleader and the witch mom, like, switch places. What a career. She's so good.

She's so great. That is so crazy. I didn't even realize that connection. That's a pretty killer connection. She's so perfectly cast in all those things. She's so great. She's really great. Okay, so ranking Alligator 2, it does not hold up.

It's not, that's not the best movies. I mean, I'll give it a three. Very fair. Very fair. Emily, what do you think? Zero. Zero. I hate this movie.

We don't get a lot of zeros on the show. I'm just so offended of how dirty they did the franchise. They didn't even try. They didn't even try. And it was basically the exact same story as the first one. Nothing new came of it. And the alligator was shudier. And the alligator was shrew of the first one.

Exactly. So it didn't offer anything. There was nothing there. And it didn't really show a good alligator. It didn't give a shit. It was so lazy. I'm angry. So angry at this movie.

Zero. Matt, what did you think? I was going to give it a, Four. And I listen, I don't remember what I gave Alligator 1 and I feel bad if it was less than a 4. I bet somebody's

got a spreadsheet. I'm certain someone has a spreadsheet. If you do know the answer to that, please don't tell me. I don't want to know. Don't correct us. Yes. Tell me and then I'll tell him against his will. But I, she will. But I didn't absolutely hate it. I regretted having to

watch it and I didn't enjoy most of it. Yeah. But the parts that I did enjoy, I enjoyed a lot. And so, yeah, I can get a number four. All right, Jordan. To paraphrase, 1998, vice presidential candidate Lloyd Benson. Senator, I served with Alligator One.

I knew Alligator One. Alligator One was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Alligator One. Thank you. Yeah, Alligator One is such a blast. I think this movie is a three. It's a three. If you're a bad movie, sicko, and you have to watch all of these.

Like, there's a couple great bad movie moments in it. Wolf with a gun on the cake. That's insane. Framed pictures of airplanes. That's insane. The reveal of the crazy boys. All of this is a ton of fun, but it is just kind of sandwiched in the middle of this, like, movie that is just, you know. They worked harder on that wolf than they did the alligator.

Thank you. I know. It should be called Wolf Copcake. I watch that. I'll wait for the sequel. Wolf Copcake, too. The mutation. The mutation.

So much lazier than Wolf Copcake 1. Yeah, so I think, like, there's so many fun movies in this genre, Anaconda, that we watched last week. Yeah, again, Alligator 1, we all kind of love. So, yeah, I think unless you're just like, you know, you're a completist and have to watch them, you can go ahead and skip this one. But if you do watch it, there's a couple fun moments. All right, that was Alligator 2, The Mutation. We're going to do a little plug in. Holly, thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah, thank you guys. This is so cool. Yes, X-Men 97. I can't imagine folks listening to this podcast aren't already watching it. But tell us about that and anything else you'd like to talk about. Yeah, X-Men 97 is on Disney Plus, as is the animated series. If you want to go back to the original watch your way all the way up to you and through. Highly suggest that.

Yes, they say that season two is coming out 2026, but that's, you know, that's 12 whole months. Have you already recorded it? I have recorded some, but they don't tell you like, oh, this is your last session, and they don't tell you. So I don't know. Maybe I'm going to go back in for season two. Maybe they're done with me for season two. I have no idea. Can you tell us any secrets or are you sworn to secrecy over the secrets? I have super sworn to secrecy over the secrets, but also they just don't share that information with us.

I see, I see. So we can't, you know, they're Tom Hollanding, everybody. I think at this point is just like you only get the scripts that you're in. I mean, I doubt they would have told us even, you know, before then. Because sometimes they just don't even know. Like they're rewriting scripts and things like that. I don't know. Do we get, okay, okay, here's one question.

Is there a really cool new character that you know of that's going to come in? You don't have to say who it is. I would not be able to tell you even if I know. God damn it, Holly. I'm not doing anything to fuck up my spot. I know, I know, I know. Disney, it's Marvel. Thanks a lot, Tom Holland.

You're a cute little British guy. Yeah, yeah, anything else coming up? You're a Congo, or that's how we met, actually. Yeah, we were at WonderCon and we did a con dog. Yeah, we met at WonderCon this year. It seems like so long ago. But we are both going to be at Cape and CowellCon in Alameda at Faction Brewing. It is put on by the guys from Cape and Cowell, this super cool comic shop in Oakland.

They are the best dudes. And apparently one of the vendors will be Hot Boys. Hot boys. Hot boys. So yeah, so here's what you're going to do. Sunday, August 24th, come to faction brewing. It's free. It's a free Comic-Con.

So you come by, you meet Holly. You can buy some books from me. And tons of other Bay Area comic artists and writers. The lineup for this thing is insane. Cape and Cowell Comics.com. That's a website you can go to and grab a hot boy while you're there. Grab yourself a hot boy. And yeah, and Holly, good insta-follow, and you'll be posting all your cons and stuff there as well.

That's where I post my things. At Holy Cow, Holly Cowley Chow. And Chow is spelled T-H-O-U. Emily, you got anything? Not anything right now. Okay. Matt, what do you got? Houston.

Houston. We have a funny problem. I'm going to be in Houston on August 28th at the Punchline Comedy Club come out to that. Tickets will be in the link description. Okay. Can I also say, I forgot to, when I was plugging Cape and Cowan, I forgot to also say that I'm also going to be doing Legends Comics in-store signing at Legends Comics in Clovis, California,

which is near Fresno. Beautiful. With J.P. Carliac who plays Morph. Dang. Do it. Okay. Get yourself to these events. Watch some X-Men on the Disney Plus. Go to see Matt in Houston and then listen to this show next week

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