Free With Ads - Ouija: Origin Of Evil

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

Last week we hated Ouija so much that we decided to watch its prequel Ouiji: Origin Of Evil, which is about a Ouija board but also about grief I think. Tune in next week when our movie will be... Rock 'n' Roll High School ----- Pick up Predator: Bloodshed right now! While you are at your local comic bookstore, tell them you want to buy the comic book Web Of Venom written by Jordan Morris coming out on April 8th. COME GET A SIGNED COPY BY JORDAN MORRIS: April 8th, come to Comic Bug in Manhattan Beach from 3-6pm where Jordan will be signing copies of Web of Venom. April 9th, Jordan will be signing comics at Metro Comics in Santa Barbara from 5-8pm. April 11th, Jordan will be at Now Or Never Comics in San Diego from 12-4pm! Buy some of Emily's beautiful creations at FlemGems  

This is free with ads, the podcast that asked the question, why pay Netflix nine bucks a month for a bunch of Mike Flanagan horror things when you can go online for free and watch a Mike Flanagan horror thing that's better because it reminds you of a beloved childhood board game, just like Ari Aster's Candy Land. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's movie is Ouija Origin of Evil,

one of the two best movies about Ouija boards we've watched this month. With us, as always, is the super producer. the he freak Matt Lieb hitting us with those drops with the good bones do you know what it feels like to be strangled to death yes oh sorry it played again I don't know why can I ask did y'all watch this alone or with other people alone oh yeah alone so alone I watched this with someone else

and I'm so glad I did because oh my god pretty scary movie pretty spooky Yuki, scary. Yeah. No kidding. Yeah, cannot wait to talk about it. So glad we said at the end of last episode, maybe we should try the other Ouija board movie. Yeah, good call, it turns out.

Not to spoil anything, but one is much better than the other one. Yes, right. Who will it be? Find out at the end of this spot. Oh, you got to listen to find out. Honestly, I can't believe that these two exist in the same franchise. It's so bizarre. It's such a bizarre thing.

So wacky. that yeah usually you would think that like oh they made this kind of cheap horror movie and it was kind of a success so they cranked out a prequel you know the next year you would think well that movie's obviously dog shit but no anyway we'll get to it quite the well oh we'll get there did you guys Do it. We'll get there. Have you guys watched any other Mike Flanagan stuff? I'm a big fan of Mike Flanagan. I have, like, sampled his stuff on Netflix because people who love it, love it. Yeah. And it, like, doesn't connect with me, but I totally realize that it's well made and good and the people who are sickos for it.

More power to them. But, yeah, I've never really, I don't know, it's never really connected with me. But maybe I got to go back. Yeah, I'm a follow the House of Usher fan. loved that series. It's so, there's one episode that's fucking terrifying.

But yeah, and I, I loved Dr. Sleep. I thought that was really cool. And I think he's great. I'm excited to see what he, I mean,

this is so cool. Like, I can't believe that I didn't know he made this movie. Matt, any Flanagan's in your past? I knew nothing about him until I just now looked up

his IMDB, and I really enjoyed the Hunting of Hill House. Yes, yes. TV show. was the only scary movie type TV show that actually scared me. It's so sad. He's got a very good job of making you like, it's very haunting.

Yeah, yeah, he's good. He's good. He's good. The guy makes good stuff. He does good. We're going to talk more about this movie, which is as of this recording, streaming free with ads. But first, we're going to answer a question from a listener in a segment we call We Got Mail.

You Got Mail. This question comes from the blue portal on Reddit. they write, could you guys talk a little bit about how you all met and maybe how you got involved with maximum fun and mythical? A fun question, our lives all intersect in various ways, much like the letters on a Ouija board. I'm stretching here. I'm stretching.

No, that was good. That was good. Thank you. It's good. I'm good. The show's good. We're good. Yeah.

So we all know each other from various stuff. and, you know, all kind of glommed on to each other for this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We'll maybe start at the earliest meeting. Matt and I went to college together. That's right. We both went to UC Santa Cruz and we met, you'll never guess, in a stand-up comedy class. It's true. One of us got good at stand-up comedy. Well, we're both very funny as the point. In our own different ways. In our own ways. But no, yeah, we met at UC Santa Cruz, and we knew each other from stand-up class, and we would see each other around. But, you know, it was like you were older than I was, and that's just high school rules still apply in college, weirdly enough.

And, yeah, we would see each other at like sketch fest and whatnot as the years went on. I think we both had competing sketch comedy groups. Oh, yeah, sure. You were in Prank the Dean. I was in Sunshine Fortress. And we, so we would perform, you know, together a lot doing sketch comedy. And then, I don't know, years later, I felt like we ran into each other at another sketch fest. This was after I had started doing stand-up for real. And, yeah.

So you kind of started doing stand-up in, like, after college, you moved to San Francisco and kind of started comedy there, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. It took me a while. First, I had to get over drugs and alcohol. You see Santa Cruz. Certainly there's no stand-up comedians who do drugs and alcohol. Yeah, yeah.

They said I was too funny. Matt, you're making us look bad. Yeah, so I had to quit. And then, yeah, and then I moved to San Francisco to get a teaching credential. Quit that to do comedy. Oh, I didn't know about the teaching credential. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, I saw you at a.

a sketch fest or whatnot, and, you know, we said hi, and it was like, oh, I haven't seen Jordan a while. That's cool. And then maybe a couple years after that, I got, I auditioned for Good Mythical Morning and got it. And all of a sudden we were working together. I was like, it's Jordan. Jordan from college. And, yeah, that's our origin story. So yeah, Emily and I knew each other from a thing. But Emily and Matt, did you ever, like, run into each other in stand-up? No, no. No. No. No. Because I think, because Emily was in the New York scene. Yeah.

And by the time I had gotten to L.A., I think you were, Emily, I think you were already working at Mythical. Yes, I was. So they, Jordan and I wrote at midnight together. Right. That's how we met. And I think we, you know, I think we bonded for many reasons, you know, shared sense of humor, but also. Drugs and alcohol. Yeah, well, I was going to say we were the people on the staff who liked to drink the most.

So anytime there would be like a work function. Well, we would sneak off sometimes because they're at the studio that was, they were having the show at the Rios was like right off like the site. You could just go right outside the gate. And so I think it was you, me, and Blaine. Oh, yeah, Blake Patch. And maybe Nick and Dave, I don't remember, but we would like sneak over there between recordings of episodes sometimes and get like a vodka soda and then like and be really bad and then come back.

And I felt like a cool, cool kid hanging out with the cool people. And but yeah, then I, the after at midnight ended, Jordan, you started working at Mythical and then you moved on and recommended me and I wrote a packet and started working there. But at that time when Matt came on, I remember Matt, they put us together a lot on camera. That just like started happening. Like Jordan and I, we were put on camera together a lot. And then Matt and I, we did this thing for Mythical Society, their paid platform where it was like how long can I. And it was, that's where we both discovered.

We had the same type of ADHD. Yeah. It was a really, it was a shitty premise. It was like, how long can I pull the hairs off of a Barbie doll? Which I was like, okay, I don't know why anyone would watch this. They had to stop us because of how long we could do it. Right. Yes.

It was a big mistake on their end. It was big mistake. We hyper fixated on that shit and we're just like, hell yeah, man. We're into this. I think they expected us to get bored. and I was like, no, we're talking. So we ended up talking for about 45 minutes until they like said, hey, maybe we've had enough.

And then they put it out in full. Yeah. So they should have called the show, how long can you? Yeah. And then we did a, they let us like host GMM in the summer that one summer, which I don't think they'd ever let us do again. Yeah. One and done.

Yeah, but Matt and I hosted one that was like they were improv, improvisational characters or whatever. We had to pick two things for a bucket. It remains one of the lowest viewed episodes of GMM history. I'm proud of that. Yes, nobody wanted our chemistry. Well, they wanted it for a while with the food feuds and then not at all. But yeah, that's how that happened.

And then it's like it all kind of. And then you two, Max Fun, that's like you two, Jordan first and then. Yeah, you go. Yeah. Maximum Fun started by my other podcast co-host Jesse Thorne. It's his baby. It is a worker-owned co-op now, but Jesse founded the whole thing. So, you know, when your co-host founds the network, your podcast automatically gets on the network.

Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, so I've done that show with Jesse for years. And then Emily had the great idea for this show. And, yeah, and we kind of took it around, and Max Fun liked it the most. And we needed a producer. I said I know just the guy. And here we are. And that's me.

On the guy. Here we are. Two Ouija board movies later. That's right, dude. And that is history, you guys. That's true. Put it in our fandom. It's like we've almost known each other for nine years.

Did you know that, Jordan? Check it out. Okay. That's many. Those are some years. And then Matt, I think it's been seven. I think it's seven years. It's really crazy.

because it feels like, because 2019 was when I, yeah, 2018 or 2019 was when I met you, Matt. And it still feels like 2019 to me because of the pandemic. I don't feel like any time has passed. So we still exist in 2019 as far as I know. That's crazy, dude. Well, yeah, who knows how many more Ouija board movies will watch together before. Maybe we'll play with a WiiG board on camera together for social. Oh, I don't know.

Could be fun. That's our thing. And then we die because we accidentally play it in a graveyard or something. Something happens. Say goodbye. Hey, well, yeah, we're going to talk about the second Ouija board movie. But first, we should let you know that this movie features suicide. So if that's not something you want to hear us talk about, we're going to play some music and give you a chance to find another episode.

We're back. Let's talk about Ouija origin of evil. Weegee time. Hell yeah, dog. We start out with the old logo, the old Universal Studios logo. I love it when they use the old logo. I'm always like, I'm going to love this. There's that old logo.

Yeah, they know me so well. What's the new logo look like? I guess I don't know. You know, the universal logo is always like the world spinning and then, you know, universal pictures comes in some way. So this is the old one that they would have been using in 1967 when the Smithy came out. Cool. I guess I didn't put that together.

Yeah, it's neat. They used it through the 90s, so I associated. with like movies from when we were kids, but yeah, this was the same logo they would have been using. Oh, so the movie takes place in 1967? In 67, yeah. Yeah. And the movie came out in 2016.

I knew it took place back in the day. I just could, everything felt 70s for some reason, but I guess it was 60s. It was Mad Men. It was Mad Men's style. So yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, so yes, Los Angeles, 1967. we open on a fortune teller's house.

This is Alice, played by Elizabeth Reeser, who I kind of vaguely recognize. She's been in some stuff, Mad Men Included. She's from Twilight. Yeah, so I looked her up, and that's kind of her, you know, that would be maybe her biggest thing, is she's one of the, one of Edward's mom-girlfriends. One of the Cullins, yeah.

Yeah. She's also a kind of, you know, she's a part of the stable of actors that are in Mike Flanagan, movies and projects often. Like she's in Haunting of Hill House. That's right. That's right. And, you know, in the opening scene, the blonde woman, that's Mike Flanagan's wife. She's also in Hawning of Hill House and a lot of his other. She's in Hush, which is a great movie where she plays a, I think she's blind or deaf.

No, she's deaf. And there's a killer trying to get her. And it's really, really good. I love that. But yeah, she's cool. So there. Man, I wish I could give my wife a job. You could get her a guest spot on a podcast

Hey, that's true Why don't we have her on here? God damn it One of us has to look after the child Oh, that's right We'll get the child on here I think All right, what did you think of alien versus predator?

The priest And the priest in this is You know, Elliot from E.T. Get the fuck out of here. Oh, I didn't know that. That's fun. And he's also in a lot of Mike Flanagan's projects as well.

Fun facts. So yeah, so she's a fortune teller. She's doing a little seance for a couple who has lost a daughter and we see all the spooky stuff going on in the house. Candle's getting blown out, noises, blah, blah, blah. It's all being done by the kids. This is a little family business. This is so fucking cute and what a great setup.

So yeah. So she kind of justifies it. It was like, oh, we're helping people move on when the daughter's ask her. It's like, are we a scam? And she's like, no, we're like, help. helping people, you know, cope with grief and we're helping them believe. So, yeah, we kind of go around their day to day. We see a little framed photo of dad, dad, who we have not seen.

Turns out, dad, he died. Got hit by a drunk driver. Got hit by a drunk driver. So, yeah. So it's just mom and the two girls running the old fortune teller scam. You know what's crazy is it takes about 10 minutes of this, of time to elapse in this movie before it has already vastly surpassed the first Ouija movie. Like immediately...

When the old logo pops up, it's better. True, true, true. But I was very pleasantly surprised that... Like, oh, good, I get to watch a competently made movie. Oh, yeah. Well, as soon as the mechanisms of their, like, fortune-telling stuff, which we don't get to see that very often, like, how they do those things. Like, we just watched Ghost with Whoopi Goldberg, and we're like, how is she able...

Like, they just shake the... table a little bit, but this has this cool table that opens up. There's magnets. Right. It's more than just lying to people. It's like, it's like they're doing sort of magic tricks and you get to see that. And that kind of detail, you know, adds so much more depth to the character and to this family. And immediately, I'm just like, yes, thank you. Thank you for making a movie. Even if it's IP Drek, just make it into a movie. That's all I care about. Well, they also establish who everyone is to each other. immediately. Exactly.

And the actors look different from each other. Yes, it's great. You can tell them apart, you know. One of them's blonde. Yes, yes. I mean, we have a blonde person in a movie.

They don't get enough. Blonde people, they're just so discriminated against. They don't, I know. Truly, that alone made me happy, just watching this movie and going, okay, good.

It's going to be, at the very least, a movie I can watch. So the eldest daughter, she's, you know, doing teen things. She goes to a little party. Very cool.

Yeah, very cool. 60's house. And they play a Ouija board game. That's right. The titular board game comes out. These teens are all playing it. They're getting spooked. Then we get a little jump scare when the mom of the house comes in.

And there's a very like, this is a jump scare we've seen a million times. This is a very like. It's still scared me. Like pretty bad. Yeah. It's still scared you. And there's this great moment where the kid who's the most scared just does this prolonged scream. See?

Yeah. no spirit. There's no spirit. Ellie! And I'm like, there you go. Someone is taking this kind of, you know, familiar horror scene we've seen a million times and just adding a little something to it to make it interesting, to make it funny. Yeah. And I think, you know, this is obviously a movie full of stuff we've seen before and homage to other movies.

But like, it's all done with just a little originality and spice. Yeah. So I thought that was great. A good boated well for the rest of the movie. movie. So yeah, there's a kind of preppy dude who is interested in the in the teen daughter. He comes over and mom, like, reads in the riot act, does this thing where he's like, I'm going to read your palm and says, like, I'm going to shorten your lifeline, very fun. Like, you know, don't touch my daughter moment. And just like good writing, you know, like good writing.

You know, even beyond grading it on a curve for, you know, horror films, it is, it is a good piece of writing because you do think she's seriously giving him a palm reading and then she has a perfect line which is that lifeline will be vastly shortened if you put a hand if this hand on my daughter. I was like, wow. I like all I like her character too. I really like all three of the ladies in this family because there's the little one whose name is what is Mildred Meriwether. What the fuck is her name?

It's something, an old lady name. The scary one. The scary one. Yeah. She's got such a. crazy old lady name. Her character is just like very curious and fun and then the teen

Lena character. Doris. That's her name. Doris. There are you got. Doris. It's the youngest girls which is great because of the other movie we've got a Debbie. That's right. Oh yeah. That's right. Old lady names. Like you know. But and the mom is like she is not just a mom. She's like

you know I related to her. She's like very she has like desires, longing. She's running a business. Like she makes bad decisions. She's not a perfect. Like I really loved her character and the acting was like sublime. She's a good actor. She's a great. She's really terrific. She's great and Mad Men too. Oh yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So mom, she, she, you know, heard about this fiasco with the Ouija board and her daughter. And so she goes to mom's just running some errands. She goes into an ice cream store and buys a Ouija board. I guess in the 60s you just bought everything at ice cream store. And so she goes to mom's just brought everything at ice cream store. And so she goes to mom's just bought everything at ice cream store. And so. And so she goes to, stores. It's probably a drugstore. It probably, yeah, it probably is actually a drugstore. That's right.

That's where you would get ice cream was at a drug store. Which I just realized something. My family, if you're like sipping on a straw at the very end of a drink and you're getting that like sound where there's nothing in it,

my mom and dad would go, oops, the drugstore blues. And I'd be like, what the fuck does that mean? Like I, and I only recently through we're working at GMM writing about historical context to like, you know, soda shops,

learn that that's what that meant. Drugstores. had little soda shops in them and stuff. Yeah, the only reason I know that is because I watch, it's a wonderful life every year. And he works, George Bailey works at the pharmacy. And everyone's like going in there to buy sodas and like milkshakes and shit. And I was like, wait, why are the poison pills next to the soda fountain?

This feels like a bad idea. All it takes is a near-sighted ice cream guy. Right. This is how you get a whole generation addicted to ludes. Yeah. Are these sprinkles? Yeah, let's get some ludes, a Ouija board, and some ice cream. And go have a great time.

You can get it all, box of nails. 1960s, seven time. Playboy magazine. Hubba. So yeah, so mom buys the Ouija board. She kind of wants to like rope it into her, you know, fortune-telling scam. So they try it with the family. And yes, the little daughter.

Doris. She starts to display lots of spooky sensitivities. Well, we got to preface one thing. This came from the other movie. The first Ouija movie, which is second in the timeline. This is the prequel. But that's the last time I'm going to say that. People keep up. Anyway, so you're not supposed to play alone. That is one of the rules. And I think that is something they definitely did

wrong as a family in opening up some kind of channels to this like to the debt. I miss that completely. I didn't know why all of the sudden she was able to do that, but that's because she played alone. Yeah, but also it's they do allude to the fact that the mother character, her mother was, had the gift. Right. Like medium fortuitally kind of thing and it skips a generation usually just like with Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost. That's right. They talk about it in that. But so the Doris has it but this like triggered it so her mom is like playing with the magnets to kind of rig the game right but she's still playing with it regardless and so then Doris is upstairs in the room with her

sister and starts mouthing answers to to the so something is speaking through her so thing is channeling her very spooky yeah so yeah so she kind of comes downstairs starts playing with the Ouija board, Doris, the little girl, playing with it by herself. And so she looks through the, now we know it's called the planchette, the pointer. I always call it panchetta and it makes me hungry. Oh, yeah. Banchetta's yummy. I could go for some ham.

I look through the ham and I see my daddy. It's a side note. I'm sure that's one of those things where it's like, this is sponsored by the company that makes or, you know, this is developed by the company that makes Ouija board. It was, Hasbro. I'm sure there's someone on set going like. like call it a planchette. We call it a planchette at Hasbro.

And was like, okay, you call it a fucking pointer. No one called anyway. No one care. Yeah. Like the official name is the planchette. Brand it. Yeah, anyway. So she looks through the thing and, you know, we've, again, we saw this scene in the first

movie of, you know, someone looking through this thing and seeing a ghost. Here, we don't see what she's looking at. And she just says, who are you? Way scary. So fucking spooky. Way scary. This movie does such a great job with not showing. you shit. It's great.

What a fucking moment. I'm not usually a fan of jump scares, but I like the way they do them in this movie. There's some good ones in this, yeah. It's a refreshing kind of take on a jump scare that we're not expected and like including the one where the mom busts in and catches the kids.

I screamed. I definitely jumped up. But not not seeing what she's looking at was to me, I'm like, yes, again, competent filmmaking. It is much scarier to not see. Because that's the thing.

You're either going to show the ghost, and that can go either way. Sometimes it's scary. Sometimes you're like, cool CG, and that's it. Or you just have a little girl seeing something and saying that, and that freaks you out way more, way, way more. Which we should also say this house is the same house from the first movie. Right, yes. So there's that same kind of foyer where we,

did see someone hang themselves with Christmas lights. Christmas lights. So that comes back. It comes back. So yeah, so the daughter uses her, the youngest daughter uses her kind of like psychic thing to find a bunch of money in the wall. So there's a, there's a, they have a creepy basement with a hole in it. The daughter finds this bag of money, which prevents their house from being foreclosed on. So yeah.

So the daughter is kind of getting these message and she's messages he's kind of fooling around in the basement. And they think they're, she, she thinks she is talking to her dead father. Yes. Right. And throughout this whole thing, you think, oh, this is a sweet story of a father ghost, a ghost dad, if you will, who is going to be helping her, helping her, his wonderful family that he left behind. Well, at first, I thought her dad, the dad is in there somewhere. That was in my mind, like that, oh, he's in there somewhere, but there might be other. malevolent kind of things that are, right, that are talking to her as well.

Just letting you know her dad is, I don't know if he was ever there. I don't know if the visions at the end are real or they're just kind of like, but he ain't talking to him through the Ouija board. No, no, this is someone else kind of pretending to be their dad. And they kind of like, kind of using the, yeah, using the like, you know, kind of fortune teller tropes that the mom is using. It's very like. Which I have a couple of theories about who and what.

like is talking to them at like which times. Oh sure. Oh yeah. That would be interesting because yeah, you never, so their house is just fucking lousy with ghosts. They just have so many ghosts. Way too many ghosts.

But also, some of them are not ghosts because they say there's some of them have names and some of them like, you know, have never been human. Yeah, there's some of them are just like straight up hell demons.

Some of them are probably demons. They don't say exactly what they are. But so I've watched a couple of YouTube things because, and I disagree with some of them that say that this dark, lanky, like, completely jet black entity is Marcus. That's the ghost that is talking to Doris supposedly. I don't think that's Marcus. I think that's the other thing that's in the house that's like there's something else there. So I don't know if this came up in your YouTube research.

But yeah, so the oldest daughter looks through the planchette and sees just a, vague, fucking terrifying outline of a tall guy. Sorry, Matt, just seeing a tall guy is scary. Honestly, if Matt leaned, like, in the darkness, I, yeah, I think I would have that reaction. Yeah, yeah. So there are... Except for the hair.

The hair is so cheerful that I don't think. And the mustache. I guess there are cut scenes to this movie where Doug Jones plays the Nazi doctor. And he's the, he's the demon guy. Yeah, he's the demon guy. So I, you know. So, you know, this movie, you know, not everything is beautifully done. There's a weird exposition dump later in the movie where they're like, and the Nazi doctor was here.

Yes. Yeah. I guess they actually filmed some stuff with Doug. So anyway, I don't know if that. Oh, so the jet black thing is the Nazi doctor. Maybe. We know. I don't think so.

All right. Fair enough. But I think, yeah. I mean, I think that was, you know, cut from the movie. So, you know, is that real? Is that not? Well, there's one thing we know for sure about this lanky, uh, demon thing.

That is he is the tallest guy in the movie. Oh yes. You're right. You're right. When you're right, you're right. When you're right, you're right. So yeah. So yeah, everybody's just getting more and more possessed.

The oldest daughter has the like bathroom mirror moment where she looks up and her mouth is sewn shut. You know, like we see kind of recurring in that first movie. It's a bad dream. And like we see in the Matrix part way. And we see the Matrix. Right. And in the first movie, yeah, that's probably. like a crossover.

In the first movie, the villain is essentially Doris. Like we find out the little girl who's blonde. Like that's what we think is happening. We think the mom and Doris are the villains. And like someone was, you know, they told our main character in the first movie

to cut open Doris's mouth. That's right. Which then unleashes something horrible. So we know that her mouth is supposed to be sewn shut. That's right. It's like, how do we get to that part? Like I was like, oh shit, how are they going to do this? How are they going to get there?

it's the only time I ever found myself giving a fuck about the first movie was going, I wonder how we're going to get to mouth being sewn. Yeah, same. I legitimately forgot everything that happened in that first movie, watched this movie and then said

to myself, I wonder if it has anything to do with the first movie and then looked it up on Wikipedia. And I was like, oh, I guess it does have stuff to do with it. And they're a little post-crats thing. Yeah, so, yeah, I watched this really great YouTube video. I'll find out who the person was whose video it was and give them a shout.

But yeah, there's a bunch of little connections. But remember in the first movie, there was all this stuff with writing High Friend on things. Like, so in this, the first message of the ghost to Doris is High Friend. That's right. That's right. And I went, oh, that's nice of Mike Flanagan to remember. It's like Mike Flanagan watched this shitty movie and went, I'm going to be kind to this first movie. Yeah, I mean, it really like... Use stuff from it. Like, really use it and make it look better than it is. Yeah. Like, nice guy. Yeah.

So, so, yeah, everything's getting, getting creepy. Except mom goes on a little kind of sort of date with the priest, who I guess is Elliot from E.T. Now we've learned. The priest has spent this whole movie so far being concerned for their youngest daughter, Doris. Yeah. And it's an interesting character because you're kind of, you know, not sure why. a priest is like low-key hitting on

hitting on someone because I was like, wait, aren't they celibate? But I guess maybe it's a Protestant thing. Well, I don't know. No, they're Catholic. Okay, well, then I don't know what's the priest's about. I think they mentioned that the priest's wife is also dead. So maybe she died and he joined the priesthood.

And he joined the priesthood. Yeah. But he's still like low-key horny. Well, yeah. Oh, you don't stop being horny. You don't, yeah. God don't stop you from being horny. Oh, yeah.

I mean, they have great chemistry and he just went, you know, in another life. we'll meet again. That's a fun moment. It's kind of nice. But it is weird that he chose this super romantic restaurant for them to meet. They could have met at a Starbucks, I thought. I guess not in the 60s.

That doesn't make anybody want to fuck. But I thought, like Mike Flanagan has beautiful aesthetics in all of his movies. So I think it was a beautiful setting to see someone, a man of the cloth in that, you know, collar and everything. You don't see priests out much anymore. Well, in Flea Bag, the opening like scene

when you meet the hot priest is in a setting a lot like that. So it's like kind of disarming to see a priest in that kind of setting, but it's nice. And their chemistry is just like, oh, God, it's so hot. I do think, I do think, yes. I think that was an odd setting. But also, I think in the 60s, that's just what a restaurant looked like. That's true. All restaurants.

That was a restaurant. Right. That's a very good point. It was like that and eat at the ice cream store. We have all types of people, construction workers, priests, pilgrims. Maybe I should have been, maybe I'm in the wrong era. Maybe I should have been around when there was cocaine in the Coca-Cola. Yeah.

And there was also segregation. You know. Oh, yes. That's true. The restaurant is like, we got priests, but also everyone's white. But cocaine. But also, I probably never been, should have been allowed to have a credit card. So maybe I should have gone back.

That's true. That's a very good point. They didn't get everything wrong back then. They had that one right. So yeah, so we get the priest, you know, knows something's up at this point. And he goes and gives this, you know, I mentioned it earlier, this very out of nowhere kind of inelicate lore dump about how a Nazi doctor lived in the house and buried people there. Soed their mouth shut so they couldn't scream. It's this very, I'm like, oh, not.

Okay. Well, great. The Nazis are part of this now, 45 minutes. Wait, is this about the Polish notebook thing? Yeah. Yes. Okay, we got to talk about this because I did like how they introduced this story, like how we found out the information because the older sister sees her little sister is acting weird.

She's just acting a little weird because the mom is keeping Doris the little sister home because she's able to actually do stuff with this Ouija board. And she makes a kid slingshot himself at the face. That was fucking crazy. They didn't show it. And you don't see it, but you see everyone at the school just. scream and run toward him. So you're just like, how fucking bad was that?

Again, one of those, like, you don't see it and it's scarier. Yes. So she's acting more and more strange. And that's when, remember the scene that Matt alluded to in his drop at the beginning, do you know what it's like, do you know what it feels like to be strangled? When she says, she's getting kind of weird, the boyfriend of Lena kind of sneaks over or whatever, and she just decides to say that to him. Clearly as one of the deep.

or something who has pulled the sheets off of Lena a couple of times. So there's something kind of gross about this demon. And that scene where she's talking about what it feels like to be strangled is the most. It's really good. It's really terrifying. And that little kid is great. She's amazing. Like it,

there's so many, the writing is just excellent. It's great to because they avoid like at one point you see her like sitting scribbling. And in my head I was like, are we really? I mean, we're already stealing a lot from the ring. Right?

Yeah. And I was like, are we going to just, you know, see this kid is scribbling ghosts? Like what are we doing? No. Instead, what she's doing, she's writing in. Polish. Yeah, in another person's handwriting in Polish and writes out this entire thing that the priest then relays to the family in one of the most like prolonged exposition dumps that we. It was a great exposition down, though.

It was interesting. I was interested in it. It's fun. It's a fun story. It comes up so, so abruptly. But yeah, it is, it's great. It's a fun. It's a fun wrinkle.

But it's very well done. It's good writing because it also explains one cool, like, thing about how the ghost is knowing details that no one else know. So when it's channeling a love, quote, love one, it's not really channeling a loved one. It is in the thoughts of the person that is asking the questions where the mother is like, oh, you know, what did my husband, like, where were we when I told my husband I was pregnant and then it spells out shower because she's thinking shower. It's not because it's the dad.

And because they also, the house is haunted. So they were there. They've been watching this whole time. So anything that happened in the house, they're going to know about it. Yes, that's true. But it seems like I wouldn't, I don't know. If I were a ghost, that's not a detail. I'd, like, remember unless they fucked in the shower.

And then I'd be like, I remember that. I love that. That was a fun. That was a Monday. Good day to be a ghost. Oh, I wish I had a dick. It just goes through walls. I can't fuck anything.

I love the idea of a ghost with like doesn't have great memory. You're just like, I can't fully recall. I'm sorry, babe, I wasn't listening. There's no, there's no concerta in the afterlife. I can't really remember anything. But yeah, so the priest goes and gets his like his Ouija thing. Yeah. So the priest kind of knows.

knows what's up at this point. He pulls up to the house. There's a shot of him pulling up to the house that, you know, is supposed to remind you of the exorcist. A similar shot appears in the graphic novel Youth Group by Jordan Morrison. I've heard it's great. You get your books and comics. So yeah, so he's he's like, all right, time to fucking like take it out. So they're kind of doing, you know, he's kind of explaining the shit to them in the little girl's room. He's like, she can't hear this. And while that's happening, the boyfriend comes over. The youngest kid who is super possessed leads him down into the basement.

And they mentioned how the house has good bones. And she just gets him to reach into the world's creepiest pole. Which they said that in the burbs, by the way. Oh, yeah. There you go. It's a bad people say. I was like, did they say that in the first Ouija movie? And then I went, no, that's from the birds.

It was from the burbs. Yeah. Yeah. So she, so she like does the like crazy scream to him. the crazy, like, haunted scream and, like, possesses him. And so, like, the family knows that some shit's going down in the basement. There's a very funny moment where, you know, mom is suggesting they split up. And the daughter's like, no, splitting up would be stupid.

It's very, like, self-aware. So they all decide to go down to the basement where the final confrontation takes place. And we'll talk about it right after this. We're back. Gets free with ads. We're going to talk about the thrilling conclusion to Ouija Origin of Evil. Everybody's going down to the basement. Emily, you said you had something you wanted to circle back to pre-basement.

Before they go down to the basement, this alludes back to the first movie. The boyfriend jumps like he's hung from the, from in that like in the way. That does happen. He drops down and it's terrifying again. That was the most terrifying thing about the first movie. And so this is a call back to it. He's hung the same way except not with Christmas lights because that's. They didn't make them as good as they do in the 2010s.

And you can kind of hear, before it happens, you hear him banging around up there. And it's one of those things. I'm like, oh, God, what are they doing up there? And then, yeah, you see it. Well, you're also like, weren't they just in the basement? What's going on up there? And then so you don't even know how he got up there. Part of the thing she's possessed him because she does this thing where her eyes

turned white and her mouth gets huge and she whispers something. Oh, we forgot one thing. So this like Doug Jones, the, um, the jet black demon that Doug Jones is playing, which reminds me a lot of this TV show called Evil that you should definitely watch. It's so good. A lot of the demons look like that.

When she's, Doris is fully possessed, this thing like bends her backwards. Such a traditional thing in a lot of horror movies where somebody's body contorts and bends back and cracks. But I found it, I think that those were things that the production company said, you got to do things like crawling on ceiling and cracking the bones and the twitchy stuff.

It does feel like, it feels like studio notes for sure. Those were studio notes for sure. How come that little girls and crawling on the ceiling? Yeah, what the thing? Do an exorcist. Do more exercise stuff. Exactly. So the way she got possessed was that demon, the long demon, like, reached an arm inside

her and like truly broke her mouth open. It was so terrifying. Yeah, it is freaky. So her eyes always turn like, turn white and mouth opens and she starts. like whispering, talking something into people's ears that then transfers the darkness, the possession into them. That's how it spreads. It's how it spreads.

Yeah, the whispering, the voice. The voice. So that's why they have to sew her mouth shut because the voice is how it spreads. Wow. So she like spoke it to the boyfriend's ear and I think he just marched right upstairs and did it. And like later on when they're kind of like fighting through the house, his like dead body swings around and grabs people. Yeah, it's like a very fun heightening of that thing.

Yeah, so he is like still a threat. Yeah, it's like they kind of animate the body, but it's like a bungee cord instead of the rope. So he like bounces and like grabs people. And I'm like that is the craziest idea. It's like a haunted house. It's like literally a haunted house you go to on Halloween, which I like this final like this climactic part of the movie is so fucking good.

Like I'm having so much fun in it. It's really crazy. So everybody's down in the basement. The little girl possesses the priest and he kind of like goes shining on everybody and starts to stab people. They go into the, remember in the first movie, they go through this crawl space. That's where the body is and everything. So these are also the crawl spaces where the horrible like experiments that that doctor did were. So there's like tools and other bodies, bones of other people.

And so that's another way that they, you know, broke the rules of Ouija. You're not supposed to play in a graveyard. The whole house is a graveyard. Oh, I didn't even fucking think of that, Jordan. I think they do say that in this. They do, but they did, but I totally didn't put that part together that that's another unlucky thing because they open the portal to whatever. But yeah. So, yeah, so the little girl is like, she uses the priest as, you know, like a soldier and then she screams him down the stairs and he like breaks his neck.

Oh, my God. Yeah, really crazy. And then kind of the oldest daughter realizes that she's got to like sew the mouth shut. And so, you know, and there's a lot of like dreamlike stuff that happens in this last thing. We see the oldest daughter kind of see the dad for a little bit. And then we see the mom kind of wakes up and she sees the daughter without her mouth sewn shut. But then wakes up from a dream and the daughter's mouth is sewn shut. And she's dead.

Yeah. And then the oldest daughter we see has the possession eyes stabs mom. Yeah. And then, you know, we kind of got our. everything's set up for the, you know, not the sequel, but the first movie. So the kind of prequelship has happened. Everything set up to watch a worse movie.

Which, like, oh boy, this next one's gonna be great. It's true, which I don't know, did you guys know there's post-credit scenes in both of these movies? Oh, I didn't see this one in this movie, but I didn't know there was one in the first movie. There was. I don't.

I'm just like, I can't wait to turn this off. I didn't. I didn't know there was one of this movie either at Luckily, I watched that YouTube video and it kind of, it's basically the post credits is the thing connecting to the first movie of them going to the mental institution to see the older sister. So yeah, we kind of see the older sister who stabbed mom at the, at an insane asylum, but they can't find the little sister. They haven't found the body. They don't know where she is. We see the daughter in her room using like her blood to make the Ouija board under the carpet.

And then we have this very scary final scene where the doctor is kind of looking through the glass at the oldest sister and we see the youngest sister like running on the ceiling to grab him. Well, did you notice though that like when the doctor first walks by the room with the glass, there's two people sitting on the bed? No, I didn't notice that. Yeah, so she's sitting there with her sister in the room.

And you go, he goes, wait, what? and that's why he turned back to look. And then the older sister's just faces right on the glass. And then you see that this. So it's like when you saw the dad take the mom and Doris away, he wasn't there.

That was a complete illusion because they are trapped in the house. We know that from the first movie. Oh, yeah. Both Doris and the mom are, they're stuck there. But the thing is, that's crazy, is Doris is a spirit

that is possessed by another spirit. hear it. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I love it. Yeah. How does that keep going? It's crazy.

I know. It's so good. Anything will go. I want another movie. I want another movie. So bad. Well, yeah, that's, and then, yeah, we get the post credits where the, you know, there's an older lady in the insane asylum and you're not.

It's Lena. Your niece is here. And then they pan to, and you see Captain America's shield. And that's when the crowd just goes wild. Nick Fury is like, like, I need a ghost. Which is the cool thing about connecting that to the first movie is Lena is possessed by like whatever entity is in the house. I don't think Marcus was the like malevolent demon.

I think that weird. I don't even think that the doctor is in the house. I think that there is a, there's this inhuman demon that's in there that's trapping everyone into that house. That's my theory. The original title of this movie, Too Many Ghosts. Two and a half.

Half ghosts. Two and a half, two and a half ghosts. Ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost. Thursday night on CBS. Too many ghosts. But yeah, no. So in the first movie, though,

the Lena is possessed, you know, she's still got it. So she tells them to go cut open Doris's mouth. Yeah, and that kind of starts all the shit. Yeah. All right. We're going to say what we thought about this movie. But first, we got to do the hunk watch.

It's honk watch. I'll start. Elizabeth Reeser Asma. Who doesn't love a hardworking single mom? She's hot. She's hot. She's terrific in the fucking movie.

That pink dress. Just doing her best to raise her girls. Yeah. A fucking legend. Any other thoughts about this? Oh, it's the priest. It's the priest for me. Oh, God.

You wanted him to phone your home. Oh, yeah. I mean, an unavailable man. Yep. There it is. That's my type. I'm going with Doug Jones' character of Jet Black Ghost. Goom man. There's something about that character that it's just like, yeah, force my mouth open, daddy.

Put your ghost in me. Ooh, that's hot. Oh, my God, Jordan. Fill me with ghosts. Ghost in my hair. I love to be domed by it. Ghost in my shell. Oh, yeah. I love anime. Oh, yeah.

Okay. A lot of hunks in this thing. Okay. Well, now we got to rank it on a scale of one to ten. Excuse me. One to ten? What are we doing this? Yeah, one to ten?

Loud commercials. Yeah. Anyway, we've only done a hundred and two of these things. Anyway, one to ten super loud commercials. We'll do that when we come back. We're back. It's free with ads. We are going to rank Ouija Origin of Evil on a scale of one to ten super loud commercials.

Matt, maybe I'll let you go first. You kind of got us on the Ouija train. I think you saw these and you're like, we got to check these out. What did you think of this one? Well, I mean, before I tell you what I think of this movie, I must first tell you to join maxfond. Dot org. Uh-oh. You all right?

Did I just kill Jordan? Oh, no. Did a demon put its cock in your mouth? No, I just had a drink of water And it went out the wrong pipe Oh, Matt. I forgot to do the network Plug. Why don't you do it and then rank the movie? Yeah, here's the thing. I never get to do it.

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I mean, we don't do a lot of like first movie and then sequels, I guess. I don't know. Or prequels. First prequel we've ever done. Yeah, is this the first prequel? I think so. We did Godfather one, Godfather two. I don't know if we've ever done a prequel before.

We've also never done three. That's something we should do soon. Well, we don't need to do Godfather three. It's got to be better than two. You know what? Don't get me started. Just kind of a prequel. Unbelievable that you would say that.

Anyways, it is truly incredible. I'm going to actually give this movie an eight. And that is based on a lot of things. The big thing is I am grading it, I think, on a curve. Just because I saw so recently the first one, which is just such a terrible movie through and through. Fuck a nothing movie. Yeah. Just watching a competent movie made me happy, and I was pleased to be watching it as I was watching it.

And then as it went on, it proved to be better than just a movie that are great on a curve. It is truly a good horror film. I was impressed with it in ways that I don't expect myself to be impressed with movies that are based on shitty IP, like Ouija. and I appreciated so much that unlike the first movie, they didn't feel the need to continually go back to the Ouija board to make the movie about Ouija. Like they honestly, it didn't have to connect to Ouija at all. They did the job.

Contractually, I'm sure their contract is met. Not a court in the world could accuse them of not doing the job of making a Ouija movie. Yes. said planchette, everything that was in the contract required to call it a Ouija movie was met, but just barely. And for that, I really appreciate it because they didn't shoehorn it in. They didn't planchette it in. They just let it exist and not, it didn't make too big a deal out of it. So I appreciate it. I think this is how all IP dumps should be. And I give it an eight. All right. Emily, what do you think? I not only thought, like, I, I, I,

agree with Matt completely. Not only did they use the Ouija board, they used it quite often, but they used it. Every time they used it, it made the movie better. Right. It made sense. It was so good. I was glad they kept using it. It made me never want to play with one, for sure. But like, I'm sure some assholes will be like, yeah, let's really go for it now. I'm that asshole. I am, well, maybe we should do it together. I don't know. But, but, but, let's, let's really go for it together. I don't know. But I was so pleasantly entertained and terrified by this movie. I was like, oh, it's going to be just kind of a spooky whatever, kind of the, I don't know, the other, like, what's the one about the couple that goes and like goes around looking for ghosts? I can't

remember. It's a whole, the conjuring, the conjuring. Kind of the conjuring ones, which I didn't find to be very scary. I found this to be both kind of like. like somber and sad and terrifying and haunting. Like I want to watch it again. I love how Mike Flanagan like took everything from the first movie and made sense of it and used it in a way that made just an amazing movie. I want to give it a tippy tin, you guys. Wow. Do it.

I think the crawling on the wall thing and then the ceiling, the fact that it's kind of, that's, that's, this weird, you know, stale kind of used thing. That's the only reason why it's not getting a 10. So it's a 9.5 for me. 9.5. Yeah, I'm right there with you guys. I'm going to give it an 8 too. Yeah, super cool.

I kind of thought that, you know, I feel like I hear a lot of horror fans say stuff like, yeah, but that Ouija board prequel is awesome. And I'm like, that might just be a hot take for the sake of a hot take. Yeah. And I think, you know, movie guys do that sometimes. they like pick a weird movie and they stump for it and they tell you, you know, you got to watch it. And then you actually watch and you're like, eh, whatever.

But I think this is totally true. Yeah, very cool. All the stuff we said, it's a really neat movie with great acting, legit scares. And yeah, I think go ahead and watch this one. The first one isn't even really bad, good bad. So totally skip the first one. Just consider this its own thing that connects to nothing. Watch the YouTube exclamation of the first movie.

Yeah, there you go. Just watch that and then go watch this, I'd say. Yeah. That's what I think. I think it's an eight. All right. That's what we thought about. Ouija Origin of Evil.

Let's do a little plug-in. Okay, I will remind people to go to your local comic book store and check out Predator Bloodshed. Issues 1 and 2 should be on stands now. Those are good. All the issues are good, but three is a fucking bloodbath. So you're going to want to get caught up. Predator Bloodshed on Comic Bookstore shelves now. And check out the one.

one shot web of venom, the comic I worked on with last, or a couple weeks ago, our guest, Jordan D. White. And yeah, that is on shelves on the eighth. So I think it's probably out now. So check all those out. They are good, fun, comic books for you. Before we go, I wanted to say the YouTube, the YouTuber who does pretty good, like, if you don't want to watch the first movie from Ouija, found flicks is this YouTube channel that I really

like. I suggest going there to see summaries of movies and stuff like that that you may not want to watch or you're too scared to watch or they're bad movies. There you go. Okay, tune in next week when our movie will be rock, rock, rock, rock, rock and roll high school. Maximum Fun A worker-owned network.

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