From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - A Brat & A Macho Man Face Off In Presidential Election

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

A week ago Vice President Kamala Harris had probably never heard of 'Brat Summer,' but now the internet has coined her the epitome of it (and oddly enough, they mean it as a compliment). But can Gen Z make enough Harris memes to get her votes after President Biden dropped out of the race, or will former President Trump's show of bravery in the face of near-death win over Americans? Sean and Rachel are joined by the host of the podcast 'Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita,' their daughter Evita Duffy-Alfonso to get her take on the "brat" trend reaching Vice President Harris' headquarters. They also weigh in on former President Trump becoming more beloved in the Hispanic community following the attempt on his life, and how social media will continue influencing voters over the next four months. Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Sean, it's great to be back. I think this is our first podcast since the RNC convention, correct? No, it's not. It's our second because we did a Friday podcast the day after the convention. Well, since we left the convention, but before the big news of Joe Biden getting out of the race on Sunday and now the heir apparent Kamala Harris rising to the top of the Democrat ticket. Yeah. Phoenix rising from the ashes. I love it. Well, to help us break it down, because kamala is making a big social media tick tock play with young people um and you and i just seem ridiculous as we try to break down tick tock we

thought we'd bring in evita our daughter the host of her own show um under the bonjino report um early edition with evita duffy we're gonna have to have her on right now. Evita, how are you? Good. Thanks for having me on, guys. So when I heard that Kamala is a brat, I kind of thought about the Bratz dolls. They were sort of like the anti-Barbie doll, right? They look kind of raunchy, like they almost came with birth control pills, kind of a doll. And that's what I thought of. But apparently this is a big trend. So I thought before we before we talk about Kamala as a brat, explain what Bratz is, because this was something happening on TikTok before Kamala was sort of named the latest brat. Yeah. So brat is sort of the antithesis to Barbie or the or the clean girl aesthetic. Right. You're manicured, you're put

together, you're sort of preppy. That's sort of a trend among young women is the clean girl aesthetic the the brat trend is the alternative to that girl like like a paris hilton kind of figure like somebody who looks like barbie who's well clean girl is clean girl is sort of like you know you you're not your your clothing is very uh cute and basic your face is clean, right? Your eye makeup is not crazy. You're not, you're not, you know, it's, it's very, it's, it's very clean and manicured and Barbie-like, right? And the brat is, the brat girl is the opposite of that. That's somebody who is not afraid to say what she thinks, right? She's a little bit loud. She's a little bit messy. who is not afraid to say what she thinks, right?

She's a little bit loud. She's a little bit messy. She, you know, will mix and match patterns and outfits. It's sort of, it's very, it's kind of vague, right? It's not clearly defined. It's, I would describe it as an aesthetic, right? As a movement among young women revolting against the clean girl Barbie look. And they have now said Kamala is brat,

which is, according to Gen Z women, a compliment. Brats wear like really ill-fitting pantsuits. Right. Well, she's not brat. I mean, this is what's funny about this whole thing is, is this a push to make Kamala cool? Kamala is not cool. Kamala doesn't know what brat means. Kamala doesn't have a TikTok. Kamala does wear unflattering pantsuits,

but her team is smart. As dumb as Kamala is, her team is smart and they are pushing this brat girl aesthetic on her. They're making viral TikToks of her where she's saying, you know, you just fell out of a coconut tree or unburdened by what has been. All of the dumb things that she's saying, you know, you just fell out of a coconut tree or unburdened by what has been. All of the dumb things that she's done and said have now become almost like anthems for

Kamala on social media. And again, I say her team is smart. That's a takeaway from this. They are actually getting a lot of traction with young people. So I think that's where I wanted to go with you. So Kamala is a hot mess, mess right you listen to her speeches and she is the definition of a word salad unthoughtful you know today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow i mean the passage of time that was my favorite yeah i mean she is she is known for not being a great communicator and you you're right. This brat thing and labeling her a brat is smart on her team to make her that, that, that liability of not being able to communicate in a hot mess all of a sudden try to make her seem cool. And, and so who is, is this,

is this an organic growth on Tik TOK of celebrating Kamala and the word salad and her mistakes? Or has this been driven by paid influencers or the Harris campaign? Who's pushing this Kamala's cool narrative? Yeah, because I doubt Kamala is getting on TikTok herself. There's a team. There's somebody in the marketing department. Well, right.

So it's always opaque, right? You're never going to know exactly whose account this is or who's making this go viral. I think that there is some astroturfing going on because we've been talking about this for months now. Young people were furious with the Biden-Harris administration. It doesn't matter what you think about the conflict in the Middle East. Young people as a whole were very angry at Biden and Kamala for not supporting the Palestinians,

for sending aid to Israel. These are also people that didn't, they never wanted Joe Biden in the first place. They never wanted a Biden-Kamala ticket because they preferred Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, right? Somebody much more radical than Joe Biden self-presented in the 2020 primaries. So that I'm going to believe young people have all of a sudden flipped a switch and are rallying and loving Kamala after months of saying, I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden who has Kamala on that ticket, I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden,

who has Kamala on that ticket, I'm not buying it. I think that there's definitely something going on here. So she has made some interesting moves to distance herself from Joe Biden, particularly on the issue, which I think is a big issue for young people. I think if you really get down to it, young people care about the American dream, not not being accessible to them. They care about inflation and that they can't get their lives launched. But for whatever reason, they've been caught up in in this war on Gaza. And one of the things that she's been able to do is try to distance herself. Here's how she's done it just today. Benjamin Netanyahu is coming

to speak before Congress, a joint session of Congress. You would think she would come, right? And she chose not to come. Instead, she kept, because now she's the presumptive nominee, you know, she's been endorsed by all the top dogs in the Democrat Party. This would have been a great way for her to step forward and look like a stateswoman. Instead, she kept an engagement that she had with, it's basically a convention of historically Black college sororities. I think it's like nine of them. So this is a big ballroom with all these black women. And by the way, these black women voters are the most loyal, important.

If you lose black female voters in the Democrat Party, you're in big trouble. They're the most loyal. They're the most loyal. And that's why 94 percent vote for Democrats. And that was one of the concerns the Dems had, Sean, about passing over Kamala. That's why 94 percent. Right. Vote for Democrats. And that was one of the concerns the Dems had shown about passing over Kamala. That's right. And so if they pass, if they pass over Kamala, they're going to go to go to a white guy like Gavin Newsom. Or a white woman like Gretchen Whitmer. A revolt within the Democrat, the best Democrat voting base, which is black women.

They're not going to tolerate it. So she got a twofer in this, Evita. Democrat voting base, which is black women. They're not going to tolerate it. So she got a twofer in this, Evita. She was able to diss Netanyahu, right? Not go to that and go shore up the most important constituency. She didn't really have to shore up. They're already there for her. Yeah, but it's a symbol because they're also young women. So she's sending a signal to young people as well, not just shoring up the black, but but telling young voters, see, I dissed Benjamin Netanyahu for my core constituency and for young people. And I guess she she she went in there and said, we ain't messing around. And she she. Yeah. I mean, listen, that this is her thing.

All right. What do you think about this move going going to this convention? I think it's smart. I don't say I don't not saying I approve it, but I'm saying that it was bad. watching Biden work with Netanyahu, watching him send money to Netanyahu, watching him not take his party's position, which is unbridled support for the Palestinians. There's no opinion here. I'm just saying their base, the Democrat base, is in line with the Palestinian movement. They think that Netanyahu is waging a genocide and that Biden was even remotely supportive of Netanyahu in the past was shocking to me. I think Kamala is really in it to win it with this move not to meet Netanyahu.

That's what that tells me. Meanwhile, Donald Trump, by the way, invited Benjamin Netanyahu to Mar-a-Lago. But in the truth social that he posted that he was inviting Benjamin Netanyahu, he also posted a letter that he got from Mahmoud Abbas, who is, you know, the leader of the Palestinians right now. Basically, he had sent a letter to Donald Trump after the assassination attempt, you know, wishing him well and showing his thanks that he wasn't actually killed. And Donald Trump at the bottom of the note says, you know, thank you for this good thing. You know, good things are going to happen here. So he sent a message. I'll meet with Benjamin Netanyahu. But also, here's my letter from from from the Palestinian leader. And I want peace. He basically put Benjamin Netanyahu

on the same footing as the Palestinians in this true social, showing the respect that, frankly, the Democrat Party didn't show him, because many of the Democrat Party members didn't go to that joint session, saying, hey, I'm inviting Jamar Lago, but also, look what I got for the Palestinians. I want peace. And that has been his promise on the campaign trail. I think that is, saying, hey, I'm inviting DeMar Lago, but also look what I got for the Palestinians. I want peace. And that has been his promise on the campaign trail. I think that is, frankly, if you're a mature adult, this is the right move. This is about peace and bringing some sort of agreement into the situation. But meanwhile, on Fox and Friends this morning, my colleague and friend Brian Kilmeade is talking to my other colleagues on the couch of Fox and Friends. And he's saying he's explaining Kamala claims she's too busy, can't meet with Bibi and instead chooses to go to this college sorority.

She'd rather address in the summer a sorority, a college sorority like she can't get out of that. So that's her decision. And when he says that, you know, you're on TV, college doesn't come out. Clearly, liberals pick up on this and say he didn't say college. He said this colored sorority, which is I'm just excuse my French is bull. Nobody nobody says colored. Brian Kilmeade would never say that on TV. It's not even in his like generational vernacular. It makes no sense at all. And then they went off and attacked Lawrence Jones, another friend of

mine who happens to be African-American to say, oh my gosh, you know, Brian Kilmeade said colored sorority. And, you know, here's this African-American, you know, guy, you know, sitting there listening to that, saying nothing. And Lawrence Jones, by the way, responds to this and says, I'm the black man. You're so dishonest. He said college. And then he basically said he challenged the guy to come on the show and debate it. Evita, show the links. Yes. The left will go to misrepresent what people say to drive an issue. This is about race. Make this about race. They want to bring back race.

That's right. And that's that's been very effective for them. They can't let that die. And this is a way to bring it back up to misrepresent what Brian Kilmeade said. Evita? Well, I mean, they rely on race, right? This is why they're they're bringing this up right now. They're going to use race as a major narrative talking point ahead of this 2024 November election. We're already seeing headlines. I have a few of them right here of the Democrats making race the biggest issue here. This is ABC. How Kamala Harris's run for the U.S. presidency has reignited old racist and sexist tropes. For Black women, Kamala Harris's historic run brings excitement mixed with racism concerns. And then you have this one. This is the worst one. Racist Trump unleashes horrifying plan to

attack Kamala Harris. This whole thing is going to be about race. That's why they saw this clip of Brian Kilmeade, who innocently said college sorority, and they jumped on it because it's an opportunity for them to create this race narrative right to relive 2020 which frankly if anybody i don't know how anybody else feels but that was a terrible year in american history i'm sick of the race hoaxes and i was happy to see on twitter that lawrence jones came out and defended uh brian but a lot of other people did too like matt walsh was talking about it sean davis was talking about it friends of mine in in media from all different outlets came on these these race hoaxers and said nope we're gonna we're gonna nip this in the bud right

now this is done this is not real this is a hoax brian kill me did not say the word colored and and ultimately they the the person the original poster, I believe he was a Politico journalist, actually deleted his his post and said he had heard back from Fox News. And and he didn't apologize, but he said, I'm willing to hear Brian Kilmeade side of the story. Right. So we are actually doing a much better job of stopping these narratives in their tracks, which makes me feel really optimistic. But buckle up, because this kind of crap, they're going to keep trying it. Conservatives have run for the hills when the racist attacks happen, even though they're fake, even though they're false. No one wants to engage. And I think you're right, Evita. It's a different time. Republicans, conservatives are like, we're not playing that game anymore. We are going to call you out, fight back and push back. I want to talk

about something else with Kamala Harris. And so I know this from being in politics myself. You need a quality candidate. You need someone with a basic set of skills to run a race, to give a speech, to, you know, to deliver a message. Right. And you got to be a race, to give a speech, to deliver a message. You've got to be a compelling person to do it. And at different levels, the mayor versus the state assembly versus the Congress versus the Senate versus the presidential run. All of that matters. But here's what I find interesting that a lot of people don't understand. It's how important your team is.

The team you have around you can make or break you you can only be so good you need to rely on the team that helps you deliver the message and helps do the presentation that helps prepare you for the interview that that helped do the ads are you saying it's not enough to take a bullet for democracy you still need to have a good team around you maybe donald trump is the exception by the way he doesn to have a good team around you maybe Donald Trump is the exception by the way he does have a good team around he does but he also he's of course the nature yeah Kamala though has had a horrible team and she's a horrible candidate which is why we've had these disasters well she's had a horrible team Sean because she has the highest

like she has like a 90 some percent rate of turnover in her office. So young people, I mean, you rarely see this, Sean. You rarely see young people who are excited to work in the vice president's office leave. This is as close to power as many of these 20 early 30 year olds have ever been. This is their dream. It's like, I'm in the West Wing. I'm in the, I'm in the, I'm by power. And they're like, this woman's nuts. This woman their dream. It's like I'm in the West Wing. I'm in the I'm in the I'm by power. And they're like, this woman's nuts. This woman's horrible. And they quit on a 90 percent rate.

But what Evita is saying is this new team, which has probably been put together by the powers that be that put her whole thing in motion. She appears to have a good media team. This is the best of the Democrat Party. a good media team. This is the best of the Democrat Party. They're now surrounding her and they are going to work overtime to present her. Compensate for her. Here's what I find interesting, though. They were doing the same for Joe Biden. They just didn't have a vessel in Joe Biden that they could work with because he was just cognitively not there. But I got to give him credit for three and a half years, actually, for I mean, even in the 2020 campaign, they propped him up and used him. And it wasn't Joe. It was the machine behind Joe. Yeah, they just need a vessel that's a little better than Joe. And that is Kamala. Watch and see how they run with her. Number one. And number two, the media.

Shame on them. Right. they were telling us three weeks ago that joe biden's smart joe biden's an accomplished legislator joe biden is the sharpest tack in the white house and works everyone else to death all lies right and now that same media has been trying to throw joe biden out and now they're telling us Kamala Harris, she's smart. She's accomplished. She's impressive. Like the same lines of Joe Biden are now coming. It's worse than that, John. Last week, they were saying Joe Biden's horrible so they could get him out. And now that he's out and Kamala's in, now they're rewriting and saying he's actually a patriot and he's awesome and he loves his country and he's the most accomplished democrat in in domestic policy like in the history since lyndon johnson

and which is what i told you guys on friday in that podcast i said they will celebrate him as a hero if he gets out which is exactly what they're doing so evita as a young person looking at and you're very in touch and have your pulse on social media, when you look at Kamala Harris's social media team and you look at Donald Trump, which I don't think is very bad at all, by the way, they're very they're very quick to respond. And but from a from your generational experience, from a Gen Z experience on social media, how do these teams match up? Well, I think the central distinction between the two is that young people tend to just be more left wing. So there's always going to be more opportunity for a perhaps contrived trend to go viral if you're a Democrat versus Republican, because the people who are on social media, the people that you're targeting tend to be left wing. So you're always going to be at a disadvantage. I don't think Trump's social media is bad.

I don't think he's I think he's much better than like 98 percent of of members of Congress. Right. Republicans don't do anything on social media. Republicans have a major problem when it comes to reaching young people on social media. But it's never going to be as great as a good team behind a Democrat candidate because you already have that extra oomph. Things are different. So first of all, there's a manosphere now. There are a lot of disaffected young men who are more and more conservative, who are attracted to the to Trump, his image, his message. I think that has gone that is exponentially grown. So hold on. So let me let me explain something. Yeah.

So so what we're seeing right now is is content for kamala that's very female oriented we're seeing like girl boss anthems and the brat trend and like cutesy videos with like you know saw like songs from from from tv shows that we love with kamala you know adding words it's like it's very female centric. Male social media is different. Men like memes. Men like to hang out on Reddit and 4chan and the content is different and the places that they're at is different. And it is, it's just not the same. And I don't, I don't think that, and they tend to be a little bit edgier and then the theme so good good well i just i just think men men are definitely right wing in the manosphere is real you're just not going to see

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If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. But Sean keeps talking about the vessel, right? Like the person, there's the message and then there's the messenger, right? And when you put the messenger, Donald Trump, next to Kamala Harris, there's just no comparison in terms of, I'm not talking about the politics necessarily, but just in terms of the image. And in terms of I'm not talking about the politics necessarily, but just in terms of the image, what I am seeing, Abida, and I'm seeing this now. Look, you're talking about it from a youth angle.

Let's talk about Hispanics who are also a crucial vote in the in the Republican. I mean, in the in the 2024 election. So here's some things I'm seeing online that I have never seen ever, ever in not just for Republican, but even for any American politician. So the first thing that I'm seeing is, is that Hispanic men who are an important vote. And I think it's, it's actually penetrating into Hispanic women as well. The response to the assassination attempt and Donald Trump's very, I'm going to use a word that resonates with Hispanics

that they understand, very macho response to that is resonating. Hispanics have always liked strong leaders. They are a culture that, while it can be a very matriarchal culture at times, it celebrates masculinity. The toxic masculinity messages

that are coming out of girl world, girl boss world, all the stuff that Kamala is appealing to online does not appeal to traditional Hispanics. They like their men masculine. And there is nothing more masculine than a man who just gets shot in the face and stands up and refuses to be taken out in a in a what do they call it? They wanted to take him out, he said, in a gurney, a gurney or some sort of thing. And he was like, hell no. And he he's busting up and saying, fight, fight, fight. So a response, one of the responses to this is it's it's amazing.

There's a Latino band called Grupo Norteño Getsemani de Los Angeles. OK, they this is. Well, it means it's the northern Getsemani Los Angeles band. Gethsemane Los Angeles band. Okay. And they sing what's called Norteño music, which is music that, and I'm going to play just a little bit of it. So you understand if you,

if you've been into anywhere and like around Latinos, you've heard it in the Southwest. I'm sorry. And where, and they're based out of where? They're based out of LA. Okay. Out of LA. But this is,

this has gone viral. They basically, and much like country music is about like a, like storytelling. So are these songs, right? And so this is sort of a hero song describing what happened to Donald Trump on that day. Su cabeza era el blanco, darle muerte al objetivo. ¿Quién sabe por qué razón a Trump no lo quieren, bimón? Pero sucedió un milagro. Okay, you get the gist, right?

And so you have that happening. And you have basically this reaction. This is organic, Evita. the trump campaign didn't come up with this i'll give you another example um if you go to a latino bakery which i love to go to i go to colombian bakeries i go to mexican bakeries um i go to south american bakeries they're all over new jersey as well as you know in the southwest, in Miami, you'll see elephant ears. It's like it's a very typical bakery item. They're selling orejas de Trump. So Trump ears.

And so it's so this this pastry is in the shape of like it looks like an elephant ear. They're adding red frosting to the edge of the Trump orejas, the elephant ear. You know, they're calling them Trump ears now. So these are this is a cultural penetration of that macho leader, strong leader. Nobody's doing Kamala anything. That's not sort of, as you said, AstroTurf put forward by a very savvy social media team in the Kamala headquarters. Right, right. Go ahead, Dan. No, I was going to say, I'm going to add one more flavor to that. The St. Louis Cardinals. Yeah, this is good. Lewis Cardinals baseball. One of the players hits a home run and as he's running around the bases, he puts his his right hand on his ear and his left fist up in the air. Then they pan to the

dugout and all the players in the dugout have their hand over their right ear and their in their fist up in the air. Right. It's obviously a homage to Donald Trump and the assassination attempt. Now, when asked, they've denied. It's like, well, no, it's not. That was not Donald Trump. We don't make a political statement. What are you talking about? Obviously, playing the Democrat game right back at them. But to to to. I think Oberman say that they should all be like Keith. I thought they should be banned from baseball. Right. Fine. You know, find the St. Louis Cardinals. But this is penetrating in a way that the the the the powers that be the deep state,

the liberal media can't control it. Yeah. Right. Because the response was so profound from Trump that people even I mean, that Zuckerberg made his comment about Zuckerberg. So Mark Zuckerberg, who famously funded, you know, in Wisconsin, basically Zuckerbox funding, you know, funding to get out the vote operation for Democrats and Democrat leaning, you know, funding a get out the vote operation for Democrats and Democrat leaning independence to get to the ballot box and early vote. He basically helped Joe Biden win Wisconsin in 2020. He even said that it was the most bad thing he'd ever seen. So when you're like a Democrat like that, I guess, Evita, talk to me about the organic nature of the response and the sort of impact on the image, because we know in politics, image matters. These are

things that matter. Is that going to be what we saw that, you know, from the assassination attempt and the aftermath of that and the cultural impact, is that enough to offset what we're seeing from the Kamala campaign? Well, I think it's I think the question is in reverse. I think it's Kamala going to be enough. Is this is this, you know, sort of brat astroturfing TikTok, you know, Kamala movement going to be enough to offset the Trump assassination attempt and all of the energy? Let me put it to you this way, then. Is there any man that will vote for Kamala? Maybe that's a question for Sean Duffy. Like the Pete Buttigieg's of the world, you know, the the the betas, they probably like that. Right. They don't. Trump is too strong for them. And by the way, there's also said Mark Zuckerberg was a beta, you you know and he's responding

to it yeah but he's he he he's trying to he may not vote for him but he's trying to tap into some masculinity he's you know he's there's something about he's trying to work out a little bit he's trying to work out he's surfing kind of a prepper himself you know um but also i think there's there's a lot of women too who now probably think know what? People look at the moment they're in and the moment kind of meets the man and or the woman, I should say. And I think this moment with what's happening in the world, I think a lot of Americans are like, we need someone who's strong and brave and willing to fight for us to bring this country back. And that is that is the Trump persona. And it's not what you have in Kamala Harris. Can I take this to a different spot outside of politics, just on a cultural level? You know, I look at this, you know, there's been and we've talked a lot about it on the show, Evita and Sean and the three of us together.

and the three of us together, this attack on masculinity, this idea that's been put into the culture that, you know, masculinity is toxic, toxic masculinity, and probably nobody embodied toxic masculinity more than, you know, Donald Trump, the playboy, Donald Trump, the billionaire, Donald Trump, who says whatever the hell he wants and doesn't give a damn what anyone says. Donald Trump, who's willing to, you know, do all kinds of you can name all the different things that Donald Trump has done. And yet in this moment, you know, I think I wonder, are women looking at this and saying, if that's toxic masculinity, you know, give me more of that. I'll take more of that. Do you think that Donald Trump in that moment of that just courage, is he sort of breaking that idea, that notion is the idea of masculine toxicity. Is that going away because of what we saw and

sort of people going, as Sean said, we actually in this moment need real men. I think people are, I think men especially are sick of it, right? We're seeing a real revolt against this idea that masculinity is toxic. We're seeing rallying behind Trump, sort of an inspiration with what Trump did when he put his fist in the air. And there's also this idea that, okay, men clearly are disillusioned with the way that the, you know, our culture views them, the way the left has demonized them. But I think women that the, you know, our culture views them, the way the left has demonized them. But I think women also are, you know, just desiring masculine men more and more on a personal capacity, but also on a national, you know, an international stage. If you don't

feel safe as a woman, knowing that senile Joe Biden is in charge, right? The man who falls as he's trying to, you know, climb up Air Force One, the guy who's slurring his words and doesn't seem to be all there. But you do feel secure and safe knowing that your country is being run by a guy who got shot in the face and then put his fist in the air and said, fight.

That's somebody who you feel- I've seen a lot of TikTok videos, Evita, of like women just saying, sort of celebrating tiktok videos and instagram reels of women who are saying i get to be who i am supposed to be as a wife as a mom because i have this masculine man that takes care of of me and there's all these sort of like reels and videos of men working out going to to work, coming home, you know, chopping wood. And there's sort of this celebration of it that I've never seen before. But to be clear, we take care of each other, right?

We have different genetic makeups, right? Because I take care of you and you take care of me, right? In very different ways. But yeah, I look at, you know the the trump phenomenon and i don't think you can take it away it's not going to go anywhere and even you mean this is not going to be like something that this is like it's not like a moment in time and by november people have forgotten about that we're talking about we've forgotten about the convictions yeah right that is that is an eternity ago yeah you're right this is going this is permeated in such a way that it's it's it's not going to be eradicated in going back to this masculinity conversation.

Even in even in the assassination attempt, we talked about this, but the women who are surrounding this really big man, it just doesn't work right or women that are not correctly talking about the social you're talking about the secret service yeah and the assassination attempt and again if you believe that kamala you should have an all-female secret service force protecting you and guess what she will not because kamala is going to want men that are big with guns surrounding her to protect her. When it comes to her security and her safety, she doesn't want DEI. She wants the real men that will jump into bullets to protect her life. And I think a lot of people recognize, hey, maybe there is something wrong with that. And sometimes pictures, as they say, are worth a thousand words.

The picture of that moment, I think, makes people go, yeah, maybe this is kind of dumb. Maybe we actually need to get the best qualified people. And it might be a woman, but it's more than likely going to be a man. But if a woman can do it, that's fine. Unless she's like six feet tall. I'm going to tell you what. She can be a sniper. I don't know. Yeah, maybe she can be a man but if a woman can do it that's that's fine it's not unless she's like six feet tall i'm gonna tell you what if you're a sniper i don't know yeah maybe she'd be a sniper but if you are on stage and i can i can relate to this i'm a political spouse i've been a political spouse um if if your life was in danger as donald trump says every day because he is taking on the most, he's not just taking on crazies. He's taking on global forces

that want to take him and his movement down. And they're not just domestic. These are global forces. He is up and it is a spiritual battle that that man is in. There are evil forces trying to take him down. I have no doubt about that. And if you were the most assassinatable person in the universe, as Donald Trump is, and I'm your wife, I want 10 Bonginos around you. I want the biggest, strongest guys around you. Donald Trump help end the whole toxic masculinity, you know, trend that that that has, I think, been hurting men. Evita, any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think there's something to be said about DEI in this whole conversation. You know, we're being told right now on the right by a lot of right-wing thought leaders that we're not allowed to talk about DEI with Kamala because it's racist. And this is, of course, related to the Secret Service agents not being equipped to protect Trump because they're little women.

And there's roles for women in law enforcement and in secret service. Dan's talked about it. You know, you're protecting a female and you have to go into a woman's bathroom. You need to have women. But that doesn't mean they can do the exact same job as men, that there are differences between men and women. And we're not allowed to talk about that. Otherwise, we're called sexist by Kim Shito and Alejandro Mayorkas. And we're also not allowed to talk about that. Otherwise, we're called sexist by Kim Shito and Alejandro Mayorkas. And we're also not allowed to talk about how the left has said we want Joe Biden to pick a woman and a black woman as the vice president. And then we bring it up. Hey, this one was picked just because she's black and a woman and they get mad. But this is their own policy that they created. they're mad we bring it up and people on the writers saying oh we shouldn't be focusing on the dei aspect of kamala let's focus on her policies

okay fine she's she she's she was the borders are and she failed we get what she's she's an abortion extremist okay she's she wants to ban meat she's talked about that okay but we should be allowed to talk about why how this woman is a complete DEI hire and how we're giving somebody the nuclear codes based off of their race and their sex. And this problem doesn't just it doesn't just affect Kamala Harris, which is a very she has a very important role and a lot of power in our country. It affects everybody. We should be talking about it. Right. If you're if you're somebody who's going to college or trying to get a scholarship or get a promotion, these DEI policies affect you negatively or positively. Either you're a white man and they inhibit you,

systemically discriminate against you, or you're a brown or a black person or you're a woman and it diminishes the accomplishments that you have because everybody thinks you got there because of DEI. No question about that. We'll have more of this conversation after this. The housing crisis in the GTA has reached a critical point with more than two in three residents being affected. Reporting that almost nine million Canadians are living in food insecure households.

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some sort of Obama? Obama and Nancy Pelosi have not endorsed her, which is really interesting. Now, Obama hates the Bidens, so it could be, you know, some sort of personal vendetta. hates the Bidens, so it could be, you know, some sort of personal vendetta. But to me, that says if the two most powerful people in the Democratic Party do not endorse her, that this thing is not set in stone just yet. It's not set in stone, but it appears that Kamala is well on her way to getting the nomination at the Democrat convention. And I say that because if there's going to be a challenge to her, someone's going to have to stand up and go, I'm going to run against her. But I'm going to start trying to get the delegates to vote for me. And that's because that hasn't happened. Are you sure that's not happening? I think we'd hear about it. Right. You'd hear it's like Gavin. Gavin's making a play. Gretchen's making a play.

Hillary, who we thought would make a play has endorsed her exactly so i so again i still call my wild card sean time is time is short um and when you don't use the limited time you have um the train starts to roll now what could be happening is Barack. But so when Rachel says that she's still going to hold on to her theory that she's held for what, two and a half years. Yeah, I've been mocked. I've been mocked mercilessly for my theory that Michelle Obama is going to get in the race. What I say about Michelle Obama, I make it really clear. really clear. First of all, there's an article that came out about the Trump campaign that said the only candidate that the Trump campaign feared was Michelle Obama. And that's smart. And I would agree with that. That means that they're thinking. So I think that, you know, they can't piss off people and pass over Kamala because, you know, the delegates, the black voters, blah, blah, blah. There's a lot of reasons why they had to keep Kamala in place.

They couldn't just jump from pushing out Joe Biden in such an egregious way, clearly against his will. It was obvious to everybody that and then suddenly put in Michelle Obama when everyone's saying Barack Obama is behind the scenes pulling all the strings. It couldn't happen that way. Now, I think they would prefer to see Kamala get this lift from TikTok and all this BS that they're, you know, hype that they're building around her. They'd like to see her succeed. But if in the next two weeks, the polling starts to look really bad, then I think they will they will hold on to that to the possibility that Michelle Obama could could could be reinstated and they would, you know, I don't know, push Sotomayor off the Supreme Court and promise Kamala that she'll

she'll get that. But they'll promise her something put michelle obama i don't think that they're ready to to lose this race let me just let me kind of give you a couple different scenarios and i don't think it's going to be uh michelle obama maybe that the fact that barack obama hasn't endorsed yet maybe one of two things is happening first he wants to see, again, she hasn't been impressive. Can she impress me now? As she has, you know, a week or 10 days to come out and say, you know, I have the capability to do this job and win this campaign. He might be waiting to see that. Or he might say, listen, I'm going to withhold my endorsement. Michelle might actually run even though she's not going to. But I want to make sure that I'm going to be a power broker in your White House should you win. And you're going to come to me for policy.

The ideas is going to flow through the Barack Obama House, not from the White House. He's saying, can I control Kamala? And she has to say, all right, Barack, you are going to have a huge. But she was installed by Barack, essentially, right? But I don't know. I think she's Team Obama. But I think she needs to feel... He needs to feel comfortable, the role that he's going to have behind the scenes.

And by the way, so if you're the Obamas and you can control America and not be in the White House, but still pull the strings and still make all their money that they make, that is the best position you could have. And by the way, if she does run, they have to expose their finances. And they went from pretty, they didn't have any wealth and they have extreme wealth now. The fact that they're going to have to disclose their finances and where that money came from. All of a sudden, there might be some unique questions about how they made this massive pile of cash that they don't really want to answer. So there's some there's some problems.

We would just. Yeah. So running Michelle means exposing the money. We're going to run America from a yacht in the Mediterranean. That's what they want. What do you think about this conversation? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot there's a lot of theories going on. It's all possible. I don't know. I think we just have to wait to see what happens. You know, the DNC is going to be pretty explosive. There's already, you know, talk of massive protests happening. The Democrats are, at least leftists, are notoriously violent when it comes to issues that they are passionate about so i'm actually going to be at the dnc uh reporting on on whatever that's going to be

there no no no dagging gets to go to the dnc poor thing she got but i think she might have got the long straw that is going to be a wild convention so you went went to the RNC because it's in Wisconsin. That makes sense. So she's going to be in Chicago. Yeah, this is going to be an explosive. Listen, you go to Wisconsin, everyone's so nice. And it was such a lovely convention. And there were these really nice volunteers telling everyone where to go. And you're going to go to the D.

60 miles south. 60 miles south. It's going to be rough. You know what I keep thinking about through all of this? As you you say, Evita, you know, we have to see how this plays out. I just think about how. The world would be different today if Donald Trump had just not turned his head a quarter of an inch, if he had been assassinated? Would we be in civil war? Would we be looking at our own conservative establishment pushing in the middle of that chaos a Nikki Haley forward? Would she have been the nominee? Would the convention have been canceled so they could organize something like that? We know all the power brokers were so unhappy that J.D. Vance was picked

and not somebody that they could kind of control like Mike Pence. You know, it's interesting just to think about what a different world we'd be living in today, right now. Would we be in civil war? I mean, I, oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I just think we would be in utter chaos. I think people people would be they would think probably rightly that there was a conspiracy behind it. It would it would be disastrous. And that makes you also think about the state of our country as it stands. Right. That something like that could happen. And we all predict that the country would fall apart and that it didn't fall apart when you know abraham lincoln was killed didn't fall apart when john f kennedy right but there's something about the times that we're living in right now that are especially i i think tied with emotions. A hundred percent. I think that coming out of COVID,

the level of institutional distrust that has been, you know, I think most Americans just, I don't see the government the way I did pre-COVID. And it's not just about COVID. It's that we've seen the FBI and the DOJ be politicized. We've seen it been weaponized against political opponents. We've seen political opposition, you know, activists, you know, thrown into gulags, you know, Cuba style, Soviet style. We still have January 6th people. You know, the FBI is on them. The FBI, you know, is probably still spending more time on J6ers. They never found the pipe bombers. And yet they had this huge fail of intelligence and security at Donald Trump's thing.

The level of institutional distrust is so huge that I do think our country is fragile. Here's what I think would have happened. I think you would have had protests. People would have gone to the streets. There would have been intense anger. Or do you think that after January 6th, people would be afraid to protest? No, I think no. I think a lot of people would be afraid, but a lot of people would come out.

And what would happen is then the FBI and the Department of Justice would designate these people like J6. They would call them domestic extremists, potentially domestic terrorists, a threat to democracy. STEPHANIE DESMOND- I agree. JOHN KRIEGERMANN- And then they would start to persecute as violent extremists the people who are protesting the violent murder of their candidate. The hypocrisy is off the charts.

And as that happened, I think you would move into a slow rolling divorce in the country, a separation. I don't think I don't I don't I don't think anyone I don't think civil war happens. I don't think people grab guns. But I do think you just you would you would see the differential that that one part of America has one viewpoint that is diametrically opposed to where the other part of the country is at.

So if you're a Republican in New York or in Los Angeles or in wherever, you're going like, we're getting the hell out of here. I'm going to Tennessee. I'm going to Texas. I'm going to Mississippi or Alabama or Florida. That's where you go. And you might see this acceleration of the of that. But also then to

go, hey, we have to go our separate we have to go our separate ways, because if you can't protect our candidate, we don't have a democracy. And then you persecute the people who protest it. We don't have a democracy. That's right. And I think that understanding would be far more fundamental than it is today. And then you would see this effort at a separation. And then then the president and if it was Joe Biden, he said, well, you can't beat the F, you know, 16s. Are you going to use your your or your F-35s? You use your your jets on the American people who go, I do believe in democracy. I do believe in freedom. I do believe that people have a choice in their candidates. I believe in self-governance.

You can take your jets and use them on those people, but then you roll into civil war. Well, there's a lot of people that have been mocking people like us who say that there was a divine intervention on that day. There absolutely was. I think it saved our country from from from whatever you described. Sounds very realistic to me, Sean. And I say, thank God that we don't have that conversation today. Yeah. Thank God we're not having that conversation. And we're talking about what a disaster the DNC convention is going to be, which is a much more fun topic to talk about. You know, a great analogy. I'd like to get your last thoughts on that. Yeah. It, you guys are older, so it, you know,

maybe it's sorry. Maybe it's, I just, what I meant, what I mean to say is maybe it's different for you guys. And it is for me a different generational perspective, but I just feel like I've never,'m coming into my adult years during a time where it's never felt like our country was at rest. You know, it's always felt very just tumultuous. And I don't know if that's if it's always been like that, if American politics is just. And I don't know if it's always been like that, if American politics is just... Vida was born, she was only about a year old, a year or two old when 9-11 happened. So you're right, there has just been, you know, one trauma after another.

But there was a time back, it was called the 80s, Vida, in the early 90s when life was good and times were good and it just felt even though the Soviet Union was crumbling and it just felt like at least here I'm sure in those parts you know

if you were living in what's now Ukraine or the Eastern Bloc probably things felt you know know, really unstable. And certainly in my union, I just hear it felt really good in the eighties. Right. And I, and I think that what is missing, and I kind of talked about this in the podcast this morning, it feels like we had a solid identity back then. And part of what the left has done now is make us into a morally

relative nation and not even a nation. Right. They'll actually get mad at J.D. Vance for calling us a nation. They'll say, no, we're not we're not a people, because if we start to say, oh, there's a unique American people, then you marginalize certain individuals. And what it is ultimately is they want our borders flooded with millions of illegal immigrants who change the actual makeup of who we are. They don't have respect for who we are because they hate our founding, right? They hate the founding fathers. They're racist. They're misogynistic.

They just may not hate our founding fathers. They just don't know about our founding fathers. They don't know about the citizenship process. Some of them just hate it. I don't believe. I think they know and I think they hate it. They know that John Adams has said America was made for a moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate for any other. They know that.

I thought you were talking about the illegals. I'm like the illegals don't even know who John Adams is. No, I'm talking about Democrats who have an insidious policy. Okay, I'm sorry. No, there's people who have a very insidious policy in America to change who we are because they hate ultimately who we are. And we look at the 80s and we look at the 90s even. We look at America before, there was a sense of we have an identity we have an american identity in a shared culture and in a commitment to one another a

unifying commitment to one another and that is ultimately gone now and the left has done that the left has destroyed what makes us american the left has destroyed our shared culture and our shared identity and we're falling apart And we're falling apart. We're completely falling apart. Communists, the first thing they have to do is disrupt your sense of identity. They want to undo your history. They want to rewrite it, erase everything from the past. That's sort of their MO. So as we've talked about, and this has been just to rehash the history. But I'm going to do it again. You had Russia collusion hoax.

You had two impeachments. You had the J6 insurrection that Donald Trump led to the Capitol, you know, with guns a blazing and tanks. Right. Then you tried to kick him off social media, which you did. tanks, right? Then you tried to kick them off social media, which you did. And the ballots. Then you tried to kick them off ballots. Then you tried to prosecute them. And now you've tried to kill them. And by the way, we said they're going to try to kill them because that was the next step. And so if anybody believes that the powers that be are going to rest now that the assassination attempt has failed, you are sorely mistaken.

They cannot let Donald Trump win. And the question becomes, what is the next tool to pull out of the toolbox against Donald Trump? I don't know what it's going to be, but make no mistake, they are not done. And so put your seatbelt on because they will ruin your country. They will ruin your democracy. They'll ruin your faith in democracy in your country because they will not let a man who they cannot control take power. It's going to be a right. The next four months are going to be, I mean, I mean, you just, you just can't predict what will happen. The next four months are going to be the most incredible.

The last eight days have been crazy. Just wait from the assassination, the debate, the assassination, the assassination attempt, Joe Biden out of the race. I mean, this has been a wild time in politics. And I actually, I love politics, but I yearn for the days where we try to find something to talk about with regard to politics, as opposed to this. Let's be sleepy again. Well, you're not, there's no, no rest for the weary. Um, the next four months are going to be incredible. We're going to do everything we can from this podcast to try and break it down. We love getting your perspective Evita, because there is a whole other thing

happening, um, on social media with young people. Um, you always give us a great sort of window into that. Um, and, and we appreciate that. And we're really excited and proud of you for your show, your show already beating Dave Rubin in its first week, you're in the top 100. I think you're, I don't know, number top 40 on Spotify. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. Um, so we're super proud of you again, tell everybody how they can find your show. Yeah, so anywhere you listen to podcasts, it's Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita,

a little bit of a long name. For legal reasons, it has to be that long. And then I stream it on Rumble. So if you want the video version of the show, you can go to Rumble slash Bongino Report to catch the video version. Or we get the audio anywhere you get a podcast we can find you there right yeah spotify apple forever which by the way you can find us anywhere too we're on well you can't we can't get you on on foxnewspodcast.com that's

where we're at but also apple and spotify you can find the kitchen table there too kitchen table yeah so evita thanks for being with us uh at the kitchen table again again. At the kitchen table. Yeah. So Evita, thanks for being with us at the kitchen table again. Again, I thoroughly enjoy. I was like, Rachel was telling me about the brats. I'm like, what is a brat? I remember the doll. And so like we need Evita on to break down brats and what's happening on social media. So we appreciate you doing that with us.

I'm going to go to my Latin American bakery in Bhutan and see if they have orejas de Trump. Trump beers. I love it. Trump beers. But for it. Trump ears. But for the next several days, we are up in beautiful Wisconsin. That's where we're coming from.

You're looking over Round Lake, which is fantastic. Hopefully we're going to see you in a couple of days, Evita. But we want to thank you all for joining us on this podcast. We love doing it. We love that you would join us, Evita,

and give us that insight that we don't see as older Americans as you like to call us. She did call us old, didn't she? I didn't mean to. Different generation. That's what I meant. You have more wisdom. That's what I meant.

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