From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - America, We Have A Man Problem

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Today, the Duffys are looking at the continued reaction Americans are having to Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker's commencement speech last week, and why they're happy to see more people standing up for Butker and his Catholic message despite the massive pushback it got. They also discuss one of the main topics Butker covers -- the need for more male role models and strong father figures in kids' lives -- and what should be done in our society to address this.   Later, Rachel gives Sean the rundown on the latest JLo and Ben Affleck drama -- and her thoughts on their rollercoaster relationship that has existed in the spotlight for decades.   Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everybody, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Sean, it's great to be back at the podcast. We have some hot topics, a little bit of sort of, we're going back to last week because the story that we hit big last week, which was the Harrison-Budger commencement speech that everyone's been exploding about, has continued to grow. The story continues. That's exactly right. So we want to talk about a couple of things on this one. So he goes, maybe for those who don't know, who've been under a rock, maybe.

Right. Well, so Buecher gave a commencement speech where it was a very Catholic speech to a Catholic audience. And there has been wide outrage online from liberal leftists who don't like Catholics. He was actually condemned by the DEI officer of the NFL, basically the NFL distancing themselves away from a very Catholic speech. They don't distance themselves from all the bad actors in the NFL, do they? They do not. But they stand by them. Yeah, right. Be an honorable man. Have a wife. Have kids. Start a family. Maybe go to Latin Mass. Be a good citizen. That you have to distance yourself from. But anyway, we want to talk about two things here, because as the story just developed and Butker's gotten a lot of outrage online, there's been an interesting blowback. There's been a lot of women with degrees who have come out to his defense. I want to talk about that. We're also

going to talk about what's happened with Kansas City doxing Butker and what's happened there. So I know you've dug deep. Actually, Rachel was out looking for, she's like, you know what, I'm going to find one of my graduation pictures and join in by the way she turned on the light at like 1030 and I'm like what is going on? Why is Rachel digging through the pictures for her? Like a cabinet with all these boxes

I couldn't find my graduation picture and I know the picture you're talking about you've seen it before but I don't know what happened to it she looks so cute in the picture I know I look so young man I was so happy she hasn't aged at all since then oh sure well anyway i did i that picture is actually from my master's degree so i have a degree in economics from arizona state university i have a master's degree from uc san diego which i always say the best most important reason to get a master's

degree is that then you're not impressed with people who have master's degrees um but anyway i have my master's degree. I have no regrets about doing this. At that time, I didn't know what I was going to do with my life. I might as well have studied. I learned a lot and got some good study skills and work ethic skills and all that jazz. But I think about my graduation day as fun as that day was. It doesn't even compare.

Like, I don't even think about it ever except for, like, this came up. I don't think about that compared to my wedding day. Not even close. Compared to the day that each of my kids were born, not even close. I always say, Sean, the day I met you is the greatest event of my life. Because from that point on, the rest of my life was, was, was determined in that moment.

I changed your life. And that's really was the, that really was the crux of his speech, right? His speech was, yeah, you're getting degrees and you're going to go, go do all these things,

ladies. But the truth is, you know, what, what a lot of you are most excited about is meeting, you know, who's going to be your husband. Mr. Right. Mr. Right.

And what we've done to girls is, and we've talked about this a little bit last week, is we've told them the opposite. That they should, you know, focus on themselves how your marriage and your mate and how that goes. And if that doesn't go well or doesn't go at all, that's a huge problem. And yet a lot of people are misprioritizing because of that. And I think that was a big part of what he was saying. And I think because it hit up against that, what do they call it? Put your foot on the gas. Put your foot on the gas pedal.

But also this sort of like boss girl thing that we've been selling women, as that's what's going to make you happy. And he hit up against that. But a lot of women said, listen, feminists, neo-Marxists, you don't speak for me. I've got this degree and he's right. I have this job, but my job with my family is more important. I, I have this degree, but what I do at home matters more and has a bigger impact on the world. And so this thread started, some girl said, you know, here's what I think. If you agree, I'll be first. Here's my picture of me and my degree. Here's what I do. And here's why I think he's right about family and marriage being the primary sources of happiness and should be at

the top of people's priority list. And it has like has like i don't know i think now maybe five million um you know people have participated in this thread um which i tried to but i couldn't find my picture so i think something really unique is happening um and if you listen to our podcast and rachel listens to me all the time i'm i'm somewhat negative um about the future yeah and i think because you've seen Marxism and communism and the arguments work with humanity and they're selling shit, they're selling, this is garbage, never works. But it hits the human heart in a way that the sales works and they've got new tactics that they're using on us right now. You know, Sean, can I just talk for a second?

Because I think people sometimes get confused when we talk about marxism and neo-marxism or cultural marxism and what that is about um and that is essentially what you know feminism is a branch of neo-marxism its roots are in marxism and that's the idea you know you you hear critical race theory um well there's also critical gender theory and there's also feminism. It's all part and parcel. And what it is, it's about you break down every piece of tradition and society and those sort of like foundational relationships, whether it's father, mother and husband and wife, parents and child, you break down all of these important relationships, and then you can, quote, fundamentally transform the country. You can create something new. You have to tear it down first. And that is what communism does. I mean, that's what, and Marxism has always been about. So we're not talking about this economic thing, and sometimes it gets mixed in there uh obviously there's an economic component

but the economy economics was only a way to achieve the end which was a new society and again to your point whether it was gender or race um or economics in the past and sometimes economic warfare you know class warfare what's happening it's that these are tools used to separate people from their families, from relationships, from their faith. And when you degrade those societal bonds, those family bonds, there's only one thing left and they know this. The one thing left is a state. That's right. the attacks of going this guy's a catholic so he can't speak as a catholic he can't walk as a catholic um well they're not saying he can't but no but they're saying well actually they do it oh no they're gonna criticize you we're gonna alienate you they're calling for his job yeah

right i'm gonna get to the other part of this where they've doxed him and i imagine you're gonna have well listen so so the city of kansas basically. By the way, his shirt now, they don't have enough inventory now. For his jersey. Because people have wanted his jersey. So there's clearly a market for what he's talking about. So he's been doxxed. I don't know who did this. Was it his home newspaper?

No, it was the city doxxed him on their social media account. The mayor then later apologized. And the problem is... So it wasn't the paper, it was the actual city. Yeah, and so what they're going to... You know what they do, right? So Supreme Court justices were doxed. And what this does, it says, okay, all you mobs on the left,

go to their street and march up and down. Get your whistles up. Blow your whistles. Get your drums. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Create a ruckus. That's what they're going to do to intimidate. That's right.

By the way, the attorney general of Missouri is going to investigate. It's illegal to dock someone like that. He's going to investigate. And the only reason that's happening is because that attorney general happens to be a Republican. But I think people are waking up to diversity, equity, and inclusion. Equity, not equality. They're waking up to the attacks on faith. And when you have, again, Butker, but then also because of Elon Musk taking over Twitter, all of a sudden you don't feel like you're alone anymore, which is why it was so important for the left and the Joe Biden administration to take over social media and shut down opposing voices. Because on Twitter, all of a sudden, a lot of people are like, wow, there's a slew of America that agrees with me and my viewpoint.

I'm not alone. And when you see others, again, we talk about courage. viewpoint i'm not alone and when you see others again we talk about courage it begets more courage to stand up for what you believe in like your family like your kids like your fertility like your faith like your country the things that matter to you you can stand up and say them because what you realize is you're part of the majority and just because the left and the minority truth you're allowed to tell but the minority um pretends like they're the majority because they have the bully pulpits. They have the whistles and the drums, right? They're making all the noise.

But now we're seeing, wow, up and fight back and push back. And that's how you actually win. I think that you bring up such a great point, Sean, because I think what they thought they were going to do when this man, when this handsome young man stood up and said, I want to say, because this kind of highlights the point. This is what he said in the speech. He says, as a member of the church founded by Jesus Christ, it is our duty and ultimately privilege to be authentically and unapologetically Catholic. Don't be mistaken. Even within the church, people in polite Catholic circles will try to persuade you to remain silent.

And he went on to quote Bishop Barron, who was remarking about a film, anyway, that he didn't like that film because in that film the Christians were silent, private, hidden away, harmless. And he keeps reiterating the Catholic faith has always been countercultural. And it's especially countercultural right now in America. And I think all the things started to happen to get the normal outcome they get, right? He gives an authentically Catholic Christian, unapologetically Christian speech. The NFL sends their DEI officer out to distance himself. The mayor doxes him, sort of rallying the activists. Someone in the city does it.

And the mayor says, oh, we don't know who. But normally, without... The Kansas City paper wrote an op-ed saying he should be fired and the chief should hire a female kicker, which I laughed and said, good luck with that. Good luck with that, right? Okay. So all of the things are in place for the onslaught so that he feels isolated. He feels his livelihood threatened. Then other people go, oh no, I better not get behind Bud Kerr because then they're going to come after me. But because Elon Musk had Twitter and this thing went viral and people were able also, Sean, to silently vote by buying a shirt.

Right. Like they didn't have to just go and buy an NFL shirt with his name on it. And then it just it didn't work out the way they planned at all. We'll be right back with much more after this. Precise, personal, powerful. It's America's weather team in the palm of your hands. Get Fox weather updates throughout your busy day. Every day. Subscribe and listen now at Fox News Podcasts dot com or wherever you get your podcasts.

The backlash has been the opposite. It's been like, no, no, no, no backlash. We're going to support him. Even Bill Maher came out and said, don't agree with everything this guy says, but sounds like pretty harmless stuff. And, you know, he should be he should be allowed at a Catholic school to say that without getting any kind of pushback. Because we know if anyone on the other side had said something, you know, on the other side, that wouldn't be controversial. And they do all the time. They say radical, crazy stuff.

And that's just accepted. And they do all the time. They'll get a contract with some makeup brand or Nike or whatever. You know, I think. It is heartening, Sean. It is heartening. People are not obeying. And this is making the people in power nervous.

I want to just bring up another point here because you and I have been attacked. Right? Yeah. And running for Congress. Ads come out. People say things about you. Do you know what our son said the other day to me? What? Our daughter and son were talking.

They're little. They're in elementary school. And our daughter said, my friend said that you were famous. And then our daughter said that. And then my son jumped into the conversation. He says, no, so many people hate mom. So many people hate mom. And I was like laughing.

And I said, yeah. And then my daughter, I go, that's true. A lot of people do hate me. And then my daughter said, that's because you're telling the truth. That sounds super sweet. Telling the truth. So you kind of hunker down when you're under attack. And obviously you have a conversation about what's going on and what you did or what you should do now, what you shouldn't do.

And I have to imagine that Butker and his wife, with their family, and again, he has money and resources. He's not going to go without rice and beans. He's going to feed his family, right? He's fine, which puts him in a little bit of a different category. But obviously, there's a lot of stress and pressure and attention on him. And I have to imagine that in their home, they're hardened. Because if you stand up and speak the truth about Jesus Christ, about your faith, and you are criticized and ridiculed and demeaned for it, and you stand tall, there are rewards in heaven for that. Yeah. But it's not easy.

What he's doing is he's making it easier for other people. Isn't he making it easier? By the way, Sean, it was interesting. Somebody posted on X two pictures. One was of Harrison Becter giving his speech, and then the other was of Travis Kelsey. And at Travis Kelsey's speech, he was like, party!

And he gave his dumb speech, and he opened up his beer, and he chugged a beer, and everyone was like, wow. And it was just two, same team, dumb speech. And he opened up his beer and he chugged a beer and everyone was like, wow. And like, it was just two, you know, same team, two different guys. One has all the adulation of the corporate media culture of, of pop culture of, you know, married to the biggest pop star or dating the biggest pop star has all,

you know, sponsored by Pfizer. I mean, it's like, he gets all in his, he it's these speeches were not even, you know, sponsored by Pfizer. I mean, it's like he gets all in. These speeches were not even, I mean, you couldn't hold a candle to what, Kelsey Travis couldn't hold a candle to what, the deep thought that went into this other commencement address by Harrison Butker. And one is, you know, the powers that be tried to squelch it and make it taboo. And the other guy, you know, who chugs a tried to squelch it and make it taboo. And the other guy, you know, who chugs beer at the end is held up, you know, for a lot of public adulation.

And again, Travis Kelsey's speech will long be forgotten, right? Again, what you're going like, oh, you should go experiment sexually. No, you should do drugs and drink beer. Let's party. Like who, you know, how hard is that to talk to 22 year old kids and get a great applause line um but again that's cheap and it's not challenging and it doesn't last butker speech lasts because what he's talking about has lasted for 2 000 years so i just i think we just want to do an update on the story because i i do do think it has continued to evolve and has touched people in different ways. And I think this debate and the right engaging in it, women engaging in it and saying, you know what, as we started this conversation, I have a degree. I went to school.

Listen, had a great job. But what he's talking about, about where my heart can go in a family, is real for me. And real for my kids. And real for my husband. And there's roles for both men and women to play in this. He talked about men and masculinity. But he also talked about women and femininity and motherhood. And I think it was beautiful.

And, again, that the right is now engaging engaging unafraid um is beautiful so um we'll continue to watch the story and just to kind of button this up there was a another thing that went viral this week uh jack posobic posted a video of an ad a coca-cola ad in argentina and he was sort of making the point that in argentina this ad came out, I don't know when it came out. Um, it was a few years ago and somehow it got revived, but it's sort of like the kind of, uh, it was about a couple and like they, they just had a baby and all like the baby, like pulls the tablecloth and the food falls off the table and he goes to get his favorite album out of, uh, you know, out of the album jacket and it's full of slime.

And like, you know, they go to the park and they're struggling with their baby. And like, they see these, you know, these single people running and looking fabulous and they're kind of looking at them longingly. And then, you know, at the end of this long, hard day, you know, she comes to bring him, you know, a drink, you know, an iced tea or whatever in the living room. And she kind of holds up that she's having another baby. She brought him a Coke. She brought him a Coke.

That's right. Right. Brought him a Coke. Brought him a Coke. And then after he drinks his Coke, she shows him, you know, her pregnancy test. They're having another baby. And, you know, at the end of that, they're all they're all excited. And sort of like by the end, it's like this is what the human heart yearns for.

And by the way, he posted this to say, hey, I wonder if this kind of ad could ever be green light in America, because it's like sort of this traditional heterosexual family, you know, dealing with the everyday foibles of having a child and finding out they have another child. And it's just very, you know, it seems like it's from another era. Well, so this is that, that ad could have run in, in the, in the 1970s, maybe early eighties, but it would not be run in America today. And what was interesting is they showed you the hardship. And this, again, this is a co-cat, um, the hardship and the sacrifice of having this little baby in their lives. They kind of went through, and again, there's cool music going on in the background,

but the hardship of having this little baby and people, to your point, that are out for their jog, they're working out with no kids, with all of the hardship of having that one child in their home, when he was told, the husband was was told they're going to have another child it wasn't like oh this is it was celebration right because they know all of the hardship of that one child all the joy they had from that one child they know they're going to double the joy with that second human heart yearns for and that that that that, that, uh, video, Sean, uh, that, that tweet went completely viral. I mean, like, I don't know how many millions of hits it got and people commenting and going, Oh my God,

I thought that couple was me. And it was just like that. Our first with our first child and, you know, people just kind of relating and that common human experience of, of procreation, um, of having babies and having families and the ups and the downs and sort of going, yeah, you know what? We like this stuff. And I know that corporate America and their super wokey, diverse corporate boards want to sell us something else, but this is really what people want. They want something they can relate to. really what people want. They want something they can relate to. And they don't want to be told that the things

that are normal to them are somehow racist or homophobic or whatever. Anyway, if you want to see that video, it's on my Twitter account. I'm rcampostuffy.com rcampostuffy is my Twitter handle.

You can scroll down and find that video. It's such a great ad. Honestly, it's one of the best ads I've ever seen. And, um, so you should take a look at it and you'll see that he's hitting on something.

You talked about DEI, Sean, um, Jamal Bowman. You remember him? He was the guy who pretended that the final fire alarm puller, Jamal Bowman, right?

Because there was a, there was a, what was that? What was the hearing was about? This was, it was, I think it was a funding bill to stop a government shutdown. And there was interplay between the House and the Senate. And the House leadership was trying to wait for the Senate to pass or not pass a bill. And it was going to behoove the Democrats to move things along more quickly. I believe that's what he pulled a fire alarm to delay the vote.

He pulled the fire alarm to delay the vote and then pretend like it wasn't him, but it was caught on camera. And then he said that he thought that the fire alarm was a door um because you know that can happen right like you see a red handle that says pull in case of fire and you go oh that must be the door that was right in the door um so anyway that's the guy and here he is talking about um dei and why we need DEI and we need to hire more male black teachers. Listen. So I think the federal government should incentivize the implementation of DEI in states and school districts across the country. And by doing more DEI, we mean a culturally responsive curriculum that's rooted in BIPOC history, right, and culture, and the diversity of the human experience. But it also means recruiting diverse teachers into the classroom, which is a priority of mine, because

as a black male teacher, I was one of like part of 2% of teachers nationwide. That number might have gone down since COVID. And I knew my responsibility wasn't just as an educator. I knew it was as a mentor, a role model, a father figure. Because I grew up also without my father being present in the home. And I know how being around adult males, I know how that impacted me as a kid. OK, so here we have him saying, and by the way, that was also the funny part about him pulling the alarm is that he was a principal at one point. So he should have known a lot about fire alarms. But so he's basically saying, listen, I was I was raised in a single black home.

I was a black male teacher. I know that these young men like myself need these role models, male role models. And that's part of part of the role of a male black teacher these days, which is probably very true. But the point is that is the people from his side that are critical of people like Harrison Butker and his speech, because he's basically Harrison Butker is, is a cheerleader for family formation, for marriage, for strong fathers, for mothers who understand their roles, um, as well. And, and, and, and it's just interesting. It's like, you don't, you, you want to denigrate the family through all your policies and even down to denigrating genders. You want to criticize people who come out with authentically Christian views on marriage and family.

want us to have a government program called dei that will discriminate against white teachers in order to have male role models for childless uh for for fatherless children in the school system i just think it's so backward sean i can't even so first of all i think this is the first time in my life i'm gonna go in part good on Jamal Bowman. He's actually recognizing a problem that exists in the black community. There aren't enough fathers and then therefore role models. Okay. You're right. A hundred percent. Thank you for recognizing that. Now, you know what? Because a lot of people won't say that. That's true. And he's right to say it. Now, the next question is, what do you do to fix that problem? We can say, well, we're not going to fix the culture and facilitate more families so more dads are in the home. No, no, that's too hard. His answer is wrong to say, I just want to see more black teachers in

schools, because that's an easier fix. That's going to give you more teachers, that's going to give more jobs. It will never compensate. You can never have a teacher actually take the role of a father. I don't care about the race

of the person that I look up to. So I'm going to give you an example. If I'm in high school and I have a crappy white role model as a teacher, and then I have Jack Brewer, African-American, former football player, pastor. And I have Jack Brewer. And I'm a white kid. I'm like, I'm sorry. I would gravitate towards Jack Brewer. And I would be inspired by Jack Brewer. Of course.

Because the man is talking about human principles of family and faith. And he inspires all kids. Now, he's doing the work in his community, which I love him for that. Yes. But I want good men inspiring good little boys. And the race doesn't matter. Good men, I think, inspire young men. And so Jamal Bowman has it wrong. You don't need DEI. You need good male teachers as good role models. But before that, let's get good men to marry good women

and have families together and stay married. That would fix the problem. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that the government has done to tear down the family. I think we're looking at like 70% of African-Americans who are now come from single households. It's really devastating. It's done just generational damage to black families,

the black community. And it's really hard to undo that. And what the government needs does, by the way, is incentivizes this by, you know, making it, you know, you're going to get your welfare, you know, your government handouts taken away if you get married. And so that's sort of what started that. And there's a lot that the government is doing to keep people trapped in cycles of poverty and the victims are always the children. And, and, you know, I like that we're starting to, you know, even if the conversation right now is, is, is not, um, always the way we would like it. I do think you're right. We are talking about the problem of fatherless.

I think we're starting to at least come to a place in America where we understand that fatherlessness is the source of almost every problem that we have in America. You name the problem. Drugs, prisons, prostitution sex sex trafficking um homeless name any of your problems at on some level father and and that sean i'm glad you brought up jack brewer that has been the message of jack brewer and his foundation yeah which has been fatherlessness is the number one issue in america and so that's why going back it does

it doesn't affect races differently it's not race it's fatherlessness for children of any background and by the way those numbers are creeping up for hispanics for whites i mean instead of all of us moving the other direction, we're moving towards, you know, yeah, we're moving towards everybody regardless of race. Jack Brewer, what he's trying to do is break the cycle in his community. Talking to young men about the importance of being a man and being a father, which I love him for doing that. And what Harrison Biker is doing from his platform is also speaking to fatherlessness, to the importance of the family. from his platform is also speaking to fatherlessness, to the importance of the family. And so bravo on both those wonderful men.

And I just think it's been an interesting week. Just to be clear, I think we're talking about Butker and Jack Brewer, not Jamal Bowman. Not Jamal Bowman. He gets a half. But he gets a half a point, right? He gets a half point for just even acknowledging that we have a fatherlessness problem and now the moment you are not with you but the moment that rachel has been waiting for all podcasts um this is a really big issue we didn't tease it because um she would get too excited and she'd start talking about it before we talked about these other issues but she's been waiting and thinking because this is a big thing in her life. Oh, it is not a big topic.

Okay, so it is an interesting topic. If you like pop culture. And if you're around my age. So J-Lo, as you know. We have Royals, Madonna, or J-Lo. Okay, now we're back to J-Lo. Okay, so J-Lo, as you know, is on to her, this is her fourth marriage,

but her second marriage to, her second time married to Ben Affleck. And now it looks like there's all kinds of rumors swirling that they might break up. And there's been some signs. So she was caught house searching. They just bought this huge, amazing mansion together. But now she's been out house hunting in Beverly Hills, I guess. He also still has an apartment that he will go and sleep at occasionally. So that's kind of

strange as well. And so people are saying, oh no, they're on the ropes. Is it possible that, you know, they're going to break up? And usually these are the kinds of things we hear before these breakups happen. So what's fascinating to me is I wanted to talk about this breakup, like our JLo and then athlete going to break up. And I mentioned it to my daughter, my two oldest daughters, and both of them were like, sorry, mom, I just can't get into the whole JLo thing. She's too old. That's what they both said. They were in separate. I talked to one on the phone and one in the house. They were not together and they literally said exactly the same thing. I'm sorry, Mom.

I just can't get into that. Into her JLo because she's just too old. Which brings me back to the speculation about why they're getting divorced. If they get divorced, people are saying... We don't know this.

This is tabloid business here. But the speculation is that Ben Affleck is going back to drinking and he's got all these bad habits and la la la la, which could be true. We'll have more of this conversation after this.

But the other side is like, look, she's a diva and she needs a lot of attention. And I don't know if you know, she had a sort of a movie that's like loosely based on her life, sort of like a narrative type movie, very self-indulgent. It was called This Is Me Now, a love story. And that was on Amazon Prime. It's about 65 minutes. And she has all these different celebrities sort of playing different parts in her life. And NPR did a review of that, Sean, of that. And they said that J-Lo can't stop telling us about herself.

That was their assessment. And they said, and we can't stop watching. So NPR liked it, but was like, this is super self-indulgent. And the thing is that Ben Affleck for all of his faults, and he has many, including, and especially his drinking, um, he, he just, he doesn't want to be part of her whole social media, you know, PR campaign. She's a, she is like a PR machine. You know, she's constantly, you know, putting, putting content out, repackaging content, getting stuff out. She, she has like an addiction, many say to being relevant, to staying on top of her game. And it was interesting to me, Sean, that, you know, our daughters were, who are, you know, 20, 24, um, are just like, I don't care. Like, I know, like, I know barely know who she is. She's too old. I'm not interested.

In fact, they were talking about the, the it girl this summer is this Sabrina Carpenter girl who had a very blasphemous music video out this earlier this year that I was really repulsed by. But in any case, she's the it girl. She's like super young. Like it doesn't like you can try to be relevant to culture and, and she really wants to be in the public eye. She wants to be relevant and have all that adulation, not just from everybody, but even from 20 year olds. And I think it's this like fruitless endeavor and it could be costing her um her her love life by the way she has another this is now

uh uh I guess you could call it like a video documentary of the making of her music video and her tour it's called the greatest love story never told it's a behind the scenes look at the making of this album. That's going to hit Prime on February 27th. And Ben Affleck said, I want nothing to do with this. He's not showing up to any of the premieres for these things. He doesn't want their relationship mentioned in it, although in some of them it is. So I don't know.

I think that's an interesting thing. Like, you're 50 years old. I think she's an interesting thing. Like, you're 50 years old. I think she's 52, 53. Is this worth it at this point? You know, you finally are back with the love of your life, Ben Affleck, and you're willing to throw it away in order to stay on top. Okay, so I'm going to agree with the girls. I just don't care.

You don't care because you're not into pop culture. Or I'm a man. Or you're a man. One or the other. Or I'm both care because you're not into pop culture. Or I'm a man. Or you're a man. One or the other. Or I'm both a man who's not into pop culture. So, okay. But I'm going to give you my take, though. I've laid out what we think are the problems.

No. So, fame is like a drug. People who get it, they want more of it and they don't want to let it go. And we even saw some of that with our reality TV. People became famous for this little sliver of time and people in our genre knew who they were for, again, six months or a year. They could go anywhere in the country. People knew who they were. And they loved it. And they didn't want to see that fade.

And a lot of them would try to do things to stay famous. Yeah. Right? By the way, I went back to law school and moved to Wisconsin. I married you. I went back. You came to Wisconsin with me. I went back to grad school.

Moved to Wisconsin too. Moved to Wisconsin. But I've seen the pull of fame for people and how they'll make decisions in their lives to get the next dose of fame. And it's got to be off the charts for somebody like you. I mean, this is like global fame. I think healthy people who are in that space and are grounded, they'll do projects, right? They'll exert their, you know, they'll stretch their acting or singing muscles. But they have, they built something else, right?

They built a family. They built a ranch or a farm or a home or in a community. They built something that's more meaningful than the fame. And I think this says a lot about J-Lo. She probably, well, she hasn't built really anything outside of the fame. And so if that's all you have, you can never let it go. Because if you lose your fame, you have nothing else. Because you haven't invested in something else.

And I think a lot of people who are famous and continue to seek the fame, they become very self-absorbed. Right? And focused on themselves and their fame. Well, then you can't give to somebody else. And a relationship is about giving. which is why again this is and again ben affleck again not the greatest fan but when you get to a certain age you might be like hey i thought we're going to build something other than you know our social media accounts baby you know i thought there was something more to this yeah um and he might he might tire and again at some point like

i know the 25 yearold kids are doing this. But really, is this what we want to do? Right. I think that's where they're at. It probably has created a lot of pressure. And I would hope that J-Lo had someone in her life that could shake her up if this is what's going on. Or she had an epiphany to go, you know what? Because otherwise, you're going to be like Madonna.

You're going to be like, you know, 70 years old and, you know, doing plastic surgery and trying to look like you're gonna be like madonna you're gonna be like you know 70 years old and you know doing plastic surgery and trying to look like you're young injections and falling on stage and like whatever right but it's it's it you know it's sad when people can do this all the time when people can age with grace it really is kind of ugly um and so i'm gonna say i think jaylo physically jaylo is aging beautifully but you know everyone gets old 70 here's the other thing she's she's looking skinnier so this is the other fascinating thing she's skinnier than ever which makes no sense because if you're in your 50s you're clearly at least perimenopausal. It's harder to be as skinny as you were in your thirties or forties.

And so everyone's like, okay, JLo's on those epic, but she's not saying that. I mean, she's skinnier than ever. But you can see, it's just this constant, like you said, Sean, it's a drug, it's a constant reaching, and it can actually consume your life consume your life and you know obviously this is a lot of speculation but i thought it was interesting you know who knows why they're why they're why they're breaking up and and the rumors i said the rumors seem to be true who knows what the real reason is behind it

but i thought it was interesting that you know she, she's got this, this movie, you know, a love story. This is me now, a love story, the greatest love story never told. And she wants to tell us more and more about herself. She wants, she knows that's all she's got, you know, left. She's got to keep up with the good look. She's got to get on those epic. She's got to get, you know, the social media feeds go and she's got to be, be, you know, stay on top, stay relevant. And in the end, the 20-year-olds are like, J-Lo, she's too old. I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like, I'm into this Sabrina Garfner girl or whoever.

And so it's just such a fruitless endeavor and effort. And you end up sacrificing so much at the end of this. And you're so right, Sean. Aging gracefully is the superpower. Aging gracefully isn't just a physical thing of, like, taking care of your skin and your body and making sure that you're in your fashion so that, you know, there's nothing worse than seeing an old lady who's dressed like, you know, she's in her 30s. It's the worst thing ever.

You know, learning to dress age appropriately and age gracefully. But it's also in the mind. It's also that as you get older, the beauty of getting older, as your physical beauty, I always say there's like an inverse thing, Sean. As your physical beauty as a woman decreases. Your daughter's increases. You should be happy about that. That's the cycle of life. But what you do get with the wrinkles is wisdom.

And you get a sort of perspective on life. And you start to feel more comfortable with who you are inside and more comfortable in your skin. And I think that is one of the greatest things about being 50, um, and, and, and getting into your fifties and as great as JLo looks. And she is a, she, she is a, a physical Marvel. Um, let's, let's just admit she, she looks amazing. Um, you have to wonder when you hear these kinds of things and when you see these kinds of projects going forward uh if she's just trapped in sort of that hamster wheel of celebrity and relevance and if that end will end up leaving her just really empty inside j-lo looks good yeah j-lo is fighting age. And I'm going to take it back here. She's winning physically. No, in the end, age will win.

Age will win. J-Lo will not win. That's true. And again, we're going to cover the story. We're going to keep watching what's happening with Ben and J-Lo. We'll see as this progresses. And hopefully, the assessment that we have of fame versus family is not her story, but it appears that it could be. Really happy we did this.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention today, Rachel. As we go here, Evita, our oldest, had some headshots done for some work that she's doing. And I saw them this morning, and I was like, oh, my God. I thought I was looking at Rachel. I never thought you guys looked the same. And I looked at those pictures, and you guys looked, I thought I was looking at Rachel. I never thought you guys looked the same. And I looked at those pictures and you guys looked, I thought I was looking at, you know, little Rachel.

Yeah, she has a new project coming out. We'll let you guys know about that as it launches. But she had to get some headshots done. And they came out beautiful. They were great. Again, I couldn't believe I thought she was, you know, looks just like her mom. Like me 20 years ago. 20 years ago.

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