From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Brian Kilmeade: From Washington to Lincoln, America's Special History

Episode Date: November 13, 2021

This week, Sean and Rachel sit down with co-host of Fox & Friends and host of The Brian Kilmeade Show Brian Kilmeade, to discuss his new book, The President and the Freedom Fighter: Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, and Their Battle to Save America's Soul. Brian shares why he feels it is so important to write about America's unique and special history, and why children should be taught about American exceptionalism. Plus, he gives a look ahead to what he believes may happen in the 2022 Midterm Elections, and even further to the Presidential Election in 2024. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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well, Rachel Campos Duffy. Thank you, Sean. And it's so great to be back at the kitchen table with you and with our next guest, who actually is a colleague of mine. I spent the morning with him this past week on Fox and Friends, and it's just great to have him at the kitchen table sharing a virtual cup of coffee with us, Sean. And that's Brian Kilmeade. He is a New York Times bestseller now. He's also in our book. I know he likes to sell his own books, but we're going to have him sell our book a little bit this week, too, All-American Christmas. Brian, welcome. Hey, guys, thanks for having me on. I

appreciate it. I feel bad, Sean, because Rachel had to deal with me for three hours already. And then she's got to deal with me today. I'm really wearing her out. I know. But she comes home with those laugh lines after she spends three hours with you, Brian. Because she's laughing the whole time. It's awesome. At me. Well, Brian, let's just get right into it.

Because one of the things I love about you, besides the fact that we work together and you're really smart and all that kind of stuff, is that you have always been known at our network as the history guy, right? Like now when everybody has a question about history, they want to go to Brian Kilmeade. Tell me about why you, you know, you could write about anything. Why is it that so many of your books are about American history? Well, number one, it's just when I would, when I have free time, when I was doing sports full-time, I would always read about history. So when I was doing news to get a break, I would always read about history. And it was just one of those things that I never thought that I could do a book on it,

period, until Bill O'Reilly started writing his books. And I said, wow, Lincoln's assassination again. And I picked it up, but I couldn't put it down. And the way he wrote was the Fox way, get right to the point, leave some detail, but be accurate. And I thought, man, that's what I want. Be accurate. Don't write down to people, but understand that you can write a history book without an academic, so your customer's not an academic professor at an Ivy League institution. And I just thought if I could adapt some of that Fox principles of getting right to the point, keeping it active, keeping it accurate, that I might be able to be successful. But most importantly, I had one idea. This George Washington story of aspiring, and I just couldn't believe that

Washington walked in this very place. I couldn't believe these spies lived and died without any fame or acclaim. And what they did in Washington's infinite respect, and I realize our history is made up of so-called average people who do extraordinary things, never get or seek credit. Las Vegas stars, the headliners of the founding fathers, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Hamilton, Adams, John Quincy Adams, you know, Benjamin Franklin. OK, I got it. But if you ask them, I believe what was important, it was everybody else around them that saw their ideals come through. And that's what I thought. Let everybody else, John Meacham and everybody, write about the big names. I'll write about the people around them.

And in this book, I wanted to write how they're related to each other. Right. You're talking about the president and the freedom fighter, which by the way, Frederick Douglass is a personal, you know, hero of mine. And I just thought this book is so fascinating how you get into it. Sean, I know you you're a big fan of Brian's books. I want to follow up on a question on that, Brian, because the first book I read of yours was Andrew Jackson and the Miracle of New Orleans, right? So I don't know what kind of writer you are. I know nothing, but I don't know.

I'm coming to the studio and I got your book and I read it. And it was amazing in how you bring history to life. And you do, you keep it moving. But I actually, I couldn't put it down. And it's gotta be, I don't know if you acquired the skillset or if you learned it from O'Reilly, but how you take these topics.

And again, they're amazing stories, but so often I think when we read history out of the textbook, it's kind of boring and monotonous. And you make it a page turner where I can't put it down. I'm like, this was, what happened? What happened next?

And by the way, I didn't know the story at all about Andrew Jackson and, and, and, and what happened in new Orleans. And so how, how do you do that? How do you, how do you write in a way that makes me not be able to stop reading? Well, thanks. I mean, number one with the battle in new Orleans, I was, I, when I went to Kuwait right before the Iraq invasion, I stayed with the 3rd Infantry, 1st Division, and 2nd Division, and they called themselves the Cottonballers. And what the story was, was really not a big element of my story, was we heard the Battle of New Orleans in particular. They said, well, it was a remarkable win, a stunning win, but we didn't need to fight it because the peace deal was already signed, the Treaty of Ghent was already inked. It just hadn't gotten over here yet. Well, that's not true. And that's what the premise of why I thought the book would be unique,

because I found all these people that did additional work. And then they went back to Britain. They got the documents that showed, even though they signed the Treaty of Ghent, they wanted to stop us from growing past Mississippi. They believed Napoleon had no right to sell us New Orleans, let alone the whole Louisiana purchase, because they basically just took it from the Spanish. So when Napoleon needed money to fight the British,

he sold us Louisiana. So, you know, you had James Monroe going, coming back with not only did I get New Orleans, I think I doubled the size of the country. So on a sad note, on a bad note, economically it was bad because suddenly all the land we owed was half the value because we doubled the size of the country. Isn't that kind of weird? But it's like, oh, thanks. Now my property is not as rare and unique. So they wanted to hold it and we found it. They

wanted to hold it and then basically sue to say we're keeping it and napoleon had no right to take it so he had to win he put this battle to put this team together and this force consists of indians free men of color pirates uh kentucky long rifles regular infantry and this 41 year old a former often 41old major general, self-taught leader, suffering from dysentery. He's 6'1", down to 138, 135 pounds. And they say from dysentery, when you're on a horse, the banging and moving on a horse is like knives cutting through your guts. And he's in the rain in January, shaping the battlefield and said, this is where we're

building the wall. This is where we're digging the moat. This is where I think they're landing. And if you bet wrong, we lose. And if they bet right, they destroy them. And through a series of mistakes, they wipe out the team. The guys have beat Napoleon, Wellington's Invincibles. They wipe them out in something like 27 minutes. And we had only 13 casualties. And you bring in pirates are involved in the story, how the pirates helped give us intel, right? As they were, as we were trying to figure out, you know, where are they going to land? John Lafitte. John Lafitte gets approached by the British and says, listen, we don't understand this area. You do. We will give you a commission

in the British Navy. Just aid us in finding out how to work these ravines. And he's like, yeah, fine, no problem. But he hated the British. So even though he was looked at as a criminal on the United States, which was then the United States just burgeoning, he came ashore and said, listen, the British made me an offer. I'd rather fight for you. And he goes, what could you bring us? And they're like, well, Jackson's thinking about it. He goes, I can bring you people and I can bring you ammo. And they said, where do I sign? And Jean Lafitte and all the pirates lined up with us with the ability to shoot and to

understand the area, where to dig, where to go, where to fight. And they said, what I want to return is lift all the charges. He goes, you got it. And sure enough, in the paperwork, Jackson wrote to Madison and got them free of the charges. He goes, you got it. And sure enough, in the paperwork, Jackson wrote to Madison and got them free of the charges. So when they wiped out the British and send them packing and all the officers back in barrels,

literally back in barrels, they killed all the officers first. And these guys were like chickens without heads. They looked to their leaders. And when we wiped them out the way we did, we never would be invaded again. And I just thought at the time, and Rachel can appreciate this especially, in which our history is always being challenged. I said, take this story. Tell me about that story. And they still had reunions afterwards. It was the second biggest

holiday in America after the 4th of July. So, you know, it's so interesting because history is a American history is a top line news item right now, because I think that's why you're packing. I mean, you're getting like 500 people showing up at your book signings at a time, sometimes more. And I think it's because parents are realizing I got to arm myself with this American history because it's not being told to my kids. And quite frankly, there's so much revisionism, whether it's the 1619 program project or I've been worried about it since Howard Zinn started creeping into my kids curriculum in high school. So how do you let's talk about CRT and let's talk about American history and what you think we need to do as a country to preserve it. And how are we being sold down the river by all these hucksters like, you know, Howard Zinn and the creator of the 1619 program, Nicole?

You know what? I do have to find out more about that. I got to sit down with Bill Bennett and see how this curriculum gets shaped. For example, I found out that no one knew about Texas history except Texans. I go, what do you guys buy? He goes, oh yeah, we do a whole semester just on Texas history. Now, obviously in Virginia and New York, Massachusetts, they're not doing that. So you guys can answer me this question, especially you, Sean. I don't know what you're learning in Wisconsin. Where is your emphasis? And should there possibly be a fundamental standard? But that would take away some of the powers of the school boards. And I think instinctively what I've been able to learn is if you begin to get the people, right, people in the school boards, then, and you guys would know more about local government than I would ever, but you get some people in the local school boards that oversee the curriculum that could play a role in what gets expanded and exposed. I would think that that'd be one way to take this back. But the 1619 Project, first it was a series that was controversial, got awards, but a lot of the theories were blown up. Then we find out it's

curriculum. Now we find out they're coming out with another book in about a week or two where they just want to challenge America built on stolen land, where we use slavery to get rich. And that is just not the case. That's like saying, well, you know, those Republicans, all they care about is white people. What do you talk like? Where do you start? That is so off the charts. You don't even know where to start. We'll have more of this conversation after this. You've always wanted to be part of something bigger than yourself. You live for experience and lead by example.

You want the most out of life and realize what you're looking for is already in you. What you're looking for is already in you. This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces, a message from the government of Canada. So every state has like, you know, when our kids were in Wisconsin, they studied Wisconsin history. And every kid does that. Some governors like Governor Walker, Kristi Noem has done it. They'll have like an American history and constitution civics test

that seniors have to pass. So there is some standard like that. I don't like the idea of standardizing all of this, but at the same time, you can see, Brian, BLM, I mean, they spent a lot of that money that they collected from all these corporations creating curriculum. And right now, as we speak, there are many school districts, especially liberal ones, that it's not just CRT. They're literally getting BLM curriculum as part of their child's education.

Yeah, I mean, I think we're seeing, Rachel, if it was the last year, I'd say, okay, you got to start getting it. We watch people rising up now. If there's anything that could be came out of the pandemic is we're looking over everybody's shoulder, the kid's shoulder and saying, what are you learning? What are you doing? What are you not doing? You know, why is your teacher talking at you in the other room? And then you overhear and then you hear this. So it's been exposed. I think that organically,

I think we have to be vigilant in every big town, big city, small town, small city and fighting back against it. But what I'm trying to do is, I don't want to pretend that America was perfect and that Douglas wasn't enslaved and he didn't watch the beatings that he took, the beatings that he'd witnessed. I didn't want to say that he didn't watch the beatings that he took, the beatings that he witnessed.

I didn't want to say that he didn't experience racism, but I want to expose the progress that he made in his lifetime and Lincoln in his lifetime. And that slavery was not prevalent everywhere. Only 1% of the black population was in the North and there were no slaves in the North. But there was certain progress. And the Supreme Court wasn't always perfect. The Dred Scott decision, for example, the fugitive slave law that was allowed to exist. So I'm not saying the Supreme Court is omnipotent and America was perfect and where freedom and

liberty, yeah, that's the goal. And like human beings, we keep on trying to get better and better. And instead of taking this in and observing it and writing reports on it and researching it, we are judging it. I think that's the big, big difference over the last seven to 10 years. We're judging history against our values of today. And I think that's the most arrogant thing that I can imagine. And I think to that point, as we kind of analyze this as parents and Americans, it's important for parents to actually participate in the education of their children. And they do that by the books they encourage them to read, like yours, but also then to be involved in their school boards and their parent-teacher

groups to make sure that the curriculum that is taught is one that has an equal analysis of American history, a fair analysis of American history, and not this skewed version, which is a BLM version or a 1619 version. And it has to be across the board. It has to be across the board. I mean, Sean and I were both on a show with Jesse Waters, and we said, listen, you can't judge Christopher Columbus by the standards of that time and then not judge the Native Americans by the same standard. I mean, they were also, you know, had some brutality going on. Oh, my God. I mean, the left lost their mind that we said that it was like Christopher Columbus and and the founding fathers have to be, you know, judged by as as you were talking about, modern day moral standards, but then other groups that are favored groups are not judged by the same standard. It's just kind of

crazy. Anyway. And just to expand on what you just said, Rachel. So when this whole Columbus thing started to get controversial, I just started, I downloaded three Columbus books and I'm reading them. So Columbus gets to land and he spots these natives. He has no idea what to do with them. He expects to encounter a superior culture and obviously they're not. So they come aboard, they realize they're friendly but he also notices that there are like burn marks

and there are whip marks all over them. These guys obviously have been beaten up and he realizes that these different islands had different tribes and they were dominating each other when they got there. So the Western culture is superior to this culture at that point in the Caribbean. And Lincoln and Lincoln said, you know what, let's take a few back. Let's show them. Let's show Queen Isabella who these people are.

Well, you know, we'll we'll give them something to do on the on the ship over. So I'm reading this, but others are judging it and it and saying wow he took them over and he put them in slavery no he didn't he was almost as if like yeah let's take this this and them and they were in the midst of a slave culture too the superior tribe group dominated the other and then they took him as slaves i mean and they were cannibals by the way, Brian, on the other Island, they were afraid of the other tribe that were cannibals, right? Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't a great place. They all of a sudden they start walking in the arrow,

start raining down on them and you know, we, they had guns like, okay. So yeah, I'm reading about this. We used to just read about it. Now we have to, okay, let me be able to defend myself in the next barbecue. I'm not going to be about to do. Is your next book going to be about Columbus? I don't, I don't think so because, um, I, I, I don't even know if there is an ex book. I mean, I haven't even thought past this. It's been two years and two months, but I mean, I wouldn't doubt that. I mean, take it on something like that would be,

it's interesting because when you put in Columbus, there are so many books on it. You don't have to, you don't have to guess. He wrote a lot of stuff down. I was just wondering, cause I know you're Italian and I know that because of your, I know you and also from your book, from, from your chapter in our book on Christmas, there's some, you know, Italian things going on in your family. I think it's on your mother's side, right? So Italians get together. They organize the whole

thing like American Airlines lands planes. Okay, you're ahead of the Swedish meatballs. You're doing this. You're going to bring the chairs. You know, you're going to bring the stack tables. You're going to bring this. They all would meet one day and they'd divvy it out and they'd execute it. It would be unheard of to cater anything. I wouldn't even, I don't even think it was possible. I know that you have to get going. So I just want you to talk a little bit about Christmases because I know you locked out Santa out of your house one time. Yeah, I got, I could not believe it that you guys left all three stories in. I appreciate it, but I don't even know how interesting it is to the general public but i was traumatized uh as a child because i wanted this colossus rex

and this is in your tv special i wanted this colossus rex was a big bulky guy showing you know what it was like i used to get guys gi joes uh all my mind and we used to set up wrestling and fighting that's what i used to do your guys are probably still doing in your house um yeah so all i wanted was a guy that just could kick everyone's ass. And it was the cautious Rex. So I just said, listen, guys, I know you're going to buy me other stuff to my parents. This is all I want. Doesn't seem that, you know, to ask Santa, this is all I want.

So I wrote it down on my list. I go, don't even put anything else on there. That's all I want. Okay. So I open up Christmas day. I open up my list. I go, don't even put anything else on there. That's all I want. Okay. So I open up Christmas day. I open up my gifts. I spot the one that has to be the right gift. I open it up and it's a thin green man with a brain on the outside. And I go, what is going on here? Now, this is a member of the lost space culture, but it's not the guy I wanted. I didn't want a rail

like figure with a brain outside his head. So I said, this is Santa not the guy I wanted. I didn't want a rail-like figure with a brain outside his head. So I said, Santa's made a huge mistake. This is totally correct. We could save this. There's a kid with my Colossus Rex. We could call. Let's make some calls. See who got dropped off. So my dad sits me on the side. He goes, I think it's intentional. Santa knows in life, it's not about how strong you are. You've got to be able to outthink your opponent. So in life, you want to be smart. You don't want to be strong. I'm telling you, this is going to work to your advantage.

Your guy has a brain outside his head, which means he's got a brain inside and outside. I just sat there. I go, all right, I guess Santa has his way. And then the next year, my brother gets, we have Christmas, my brother gets a cautious Rex. So there goes that whole thing. It becomes clear to me that somebody waited to the last minute to tell Santa what I wanted on my list,

and the only thing rest was the most repulsive space figure ever created. And they were spinning at that age. It was like they were trained in by in madison avenue they were selling me on their on their poor space culture and then and then but but then your brother the next year got the gift that you wanted the year before which kills me which blew up their whole story to this day. And like, I just don't want to bring it up. It's too painful. That's why your book is therapeutic for me, but you know, and your kids don't know this and people will know it if they're our age,

when you get these guys, there's metal wires that make them somewhat, you know, you can make them make that muscles. You can make them punch people in the face. You can, you can use them with metal wires, but guess what happens happens if you use them a lot the metal wires come through and then when you throw them at your brother they become weapons so it was the most unhealthy thing to give a child give them a give them an action figure with metal wires in there they clearly are going to break through rubber and one day kill a child or certainly wound them. It was the 70s.

It was fine. Exactly. Those seatbelts smoking in the car. Right. The rear seat facing the back way. Right. We're right there. We'll have more of this conversation next.

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but also that you participated in our book and our celebration of Christmas and making sure that this war on Christmas, that people understand that we actually are all coming together and we are the majority and we love Christmas um for what it does for our families and and it uh what it does for our faith and so thank you for participating not just in the in the special that's coming up but also for for uh sharing your stories in our book hi guys I'm telling you everyone's talking about book. If you want to get something from Fox, uh, why not get a book with the personal stories? Because I know when I go tour and I'm like, I'm out right now, people feel like you're part of their family. They don't just say, Hey, aren't you on TV? They just, they walk up to you and they tell

you their problems. They tell you what they remember on the show. So that's why I think this book is so perfect because it's the personal side before we even knew there was a Fox TV. Absolutely. I know you got to go. Can I ask you one last thing and you can make it as short as you want, but I just, I want to know what you think is going to happen in 2024 for the election. Well, I mean, I think 2022, I think they got the house and if they pick the right candidates, this is a new, new thing. And I feel weird telling you guys about this. You're so ingrained in it.

But this is a new, new thing. Not running in New Hampshire is brutal because he would have got that seat. So they got to flip a seat. And I worry about I worry about Herschel diving in to the issues. That's my main thing. He's got to put the studying in to get the issues. But, man, they get the House. They stop the crazy investigations. They get the issues. That's my main thing. He's got to put the studying in to get the issues. But man, they get the House. They stop the crazy investigations. They get the Senate. They can stop the agenda. And then in 2024, it's about performance. And I look at Pompeo. I look

at Mickey Haley. I look at Kristi Noem. I look at Rick Scott. I look at Tim Scott. I look at Ron DeSantis, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz. I think I'm up to eight. So all these people that are really, I mean, really talented, strong candidates, Chris Christie is nine. So they really understand where this country should go. I think we're in good hands with all of them. But unless Trump gets caught up in something January 6th oriented, or something that it really gets him indicted with his business, which is totally trumped up and not real and not valid. We know that's not real, but if they does get indicted and it's got to be deposed and all that stuff, if it's just we have a playing field, I can't see a scenario where he does not run.

That's how Sean feels, by the way. And not only does he not run, he walks away with the nomination of the party. I think the base is still with him. And again, this is three years away, and so a lot of things can happen in three years. But at least in middle America, that's what I see,

that there is a huge energy still behind the former president. But there's things that happened, Sean, by his comments about with Mike Pence came out, they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. And he's like, well, I knew he had security. Things like that make him vulnerable to, I think it's a Republican president, unless the candidate gets thrown away. Something happens in the candidate's background that levels the playing field or tilts it the other way. I really believe what I said a couple of weeks ago. And I say it as somebody that I like him. I don't, I don't make any, I don't apologize at all. I think he's a real, I think he's a good person. I think he's, he's an impactful player his whole life.

He, the thing about him is he likes people with power and without power just as much, which is why it resonates in Arkansas and Alabama. So true. That's such a great point, Brian. Right. So I like him. But having said that, he's got to get better. He's simply got to get better. He's got to show discipline. If he ever gets back on social media, it's got to be screened effectively because some of the juvenile things that take place are just making him too ripe of a target and there's too much at stake if he loses i mean we're seeing what happens right now there's too much at stake it's it's too and it's and it's and it's too it's too toxic then for the suburban mom vote that you need to win elections you just i mean you gotta be you do have to be better thank you yeah you're right and and more discipline and just if i can make one last point before you go,

you brought up John Sununu who in New Hampshire, he's the governor he was looking at, and this is, this is a household name. He was looking at running for the Senate to Brian's point. If he had run, he would have won, but it goes to why isn't he running? And it's that a lot of, a lot of people who have been in these governor mansions where they're the executive and they're able to have an impact on policy, they look at what happens in the Senate and how dysfunctional it is and how they can't really get anything done. But I think you make the ultimate point, which is it isn't necessarily what you can get done right now. It's what you get to stop from happening from this radical agenda that's

so important and why I wish he would have actually said, I'm going to run for Senate. I'll say something else. If Joe Manchin was president, I would say I'm pulling for Trump, but the country will not be, we won't have an anti-American as president. We won't have someone hostage to a green agenda. There's someone he won't tolerate a CRT. If this guy, if this governor elect ends up being the person he ran as, if that's a democratic agenda, compete, win. But it's subtle. What they're doing now is severe. It is, it's alarming. It's alarming our allies. You think they were alarmed by Trump's behavior? They knew we had their back. They wanted NATO to do better, and that's the way he negotiates.

But he was not going to pull out of Afghanistan that way. Because of the weakness in Afghanistan, Ukraine could be overtaken in January, and Taiwan this year. I mean, this comes from here in 2022. And someone like Manchin or some moderate out there would not be like that. I would not like some of the agenda, but it would make our shows better. We'd be debating issues instead of lunacy. Communism. Socialism. Yeah, it would be like,

yeah, what are you doing here? I don't think we should be focusing on childcare and preschool. I think we can use our money better if we focus on locally, you know, and how do we do something on elder care and how do we make our, you know, how do we make it more profitable to bring drugs to market without sacrificing X, Y, and Z? This would be a more interesting show, podcast, radio show on a daily basis. But I am alarmed every day at 3 o'clock when I'm reading my e-packet. Yeah, me too. Me too. The e-packet, by the way, is we get our

news that Fox and Friends kind of synthesize to the top line stuff so we can kind of dig deeper on the things we want to do. So that's what Brian's talking about. And you're right. It is shocking every day. We're fighting, you know, literally we're fighting socialism and communism.

We're fighting for America. And Brian, it's so great having you on the show, because I do think from your perch at Fox and Friends, but also the amazing books and history that you're bringing to light. You are in that battle. You are fighting for America. the amazing books and history that you're bringing to light. You are in that battle. You are fighting for America. And that's why I really have so much respect for you. I always consider it an honor to be your colleague.

Same here. I have one more prediction. One more prediction. I don't know if you agree with me. If you don't believe it, say it. I have a prediction. Within six months, Sean, you're going to be one of the best anchors at Fox.

I mean, you have all the tools. I'm telling you, this is going to be another thing you're going to master. You've already done, you've had the political career, you've had a legal career, you've been on reality shows. You do everything. I think that this is such a natural for you, watching you

with Kudlow, taking over Kudlow. I think I have a little bit of experience. I mean, Rachel's already established, but I think you're going to just flourish. I appreciate that. That's such a nice thing to say. Such a compliment from someone like you.

From your mouth to the people of Paul Reziere's, my friend. And I'm going to leave It's true. From your mouth to the people of power's ears, my friend. And I'm going to leave you with- I heard Brian has a lot of pull, Sean, so. Yeah, a ton of pull. And I was going to say this before you said that nice thing about me, Brian, but what I love about the Fox and Friends

and especially about you is you guys cover some lighthearted, fun topics, but there's a lot of serious topics that we get in the news that you guys give us and that you can make people smile and laugh in, in some of the bad news that you're telling people throughout the day as a real talent. And I actually appreciate it because, um, it makes, it makes some of the bad things that are happening right now, more bearable to hear. And especially in the morning, that's important for so many Americans who are putting their shoes on, their boots on,

and they're warming up their car in Wisconsin and getting ready to go to work. So thank you for that. Thanks for making me laugh. I love it. No problem. All right, guys. Go kill it at that bookstore.

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