From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Combatting Toxic Empathy With Allie Beth Stuckey

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Several emotion-filled issues are driving this election cycle, and many progressive organizations and media outlets seem to rely on empathy to gain support on issues like abortion, gender, and immigration. Host of the BlazeTV Podcast 'Relatable' and author Allie Beth Stuckey came to a concerning conclusion when examining their claims: progressives are manipulating Christian values to advance agendas that often contradict scripture.   Allie joins Rachel to discuss how she covers this complex topic in her new book, “Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion,” and how people can approach current events through a biblical lens. Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. Today we have a wonderful guest, Allie Beth Stuckey, as you all know her from her podcast Relatable, which is excellent. She's an analyst of current events, news, theology, culture, politics, and all of it from a biblical perspective. She's a unique cat in this world, kind of reminding us of who we are as Christians. And I always love that about her. Allie, welcome to The Kitchen Table. Thank you so much. I'm so glad to be here. Great. I love your book, because it tackles, you're tackling the topic of empathy. But what you're really talking about is this bigger topic of how so many sort of Christian values have been co-opted, words have been co-opted

and manipulated to advance progressive causes and sort of twist what the Christian meaning and interpretation of those words are. And so one of them is empathy. And the title of your book, by the way, is Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion. Why don't you give us sort of the thesis of what you're talking about and how you see this playing out in our culture? Yeah, you actually did a great job of summarizing and kind of rephrasing what the thesis is, is that our good inclination as people, but especially as Christians, to love and to fight for the underdog, to care for the vulnerable, has been co-opted, as you said, has been manipulated and exploited by

bad actors to convince us that the only compassionate position on any issue is the progressive one. And how this typically plays out, really, you could look at every subject and you can see progressives in the government, but progressives, especially in the media, kind of follow this same formula. They hoist up a particular victim. They tell you their story. They get you to feel what that person feels. And that's what empathy means. person feels, and that's what empathy means. But they use your feelings to get you to latch on to the progressive policy prescription that that person says they need. So for example, NPR may tell you a story of a poor mother who finds out that she's pregnant, she's in a destitute situation, but because of pro-life laws in the state of Texas, she's unable

to get an abortion. As they tell you the details of her heart-rending story, by the end of the article, you're thinking, well, these pro-life laws are cruel. They put her in this situation. This is so terrible. Now I'm realizing that in order to be compassionate, in order to be loving, I have to be on the pro-choice side. But here's where empathy becomes toxic. Not all empathy is bad, and we can talk about that, but empathy becomes toxic when it blinds you to reality and morality. Because on the other side of the abortion conversation, and this is what the media wants us to forget, is, of course, the baby. And this is the subject you talk about so well,

but that is the victim of every abortion that the media is trying to obscure, trying to get us to ignore. Our empathy, our feelings are supposed to only be focused on their chosen victim at the expense of the people on the other side of an issue. We see this play out in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, it can be very persuasive. Yeah, it's so interesting. Just before I started this podcast with you, one of our producers, I hadn't seen her in a while. She's five months pregnant, and she was telling me about the anatomy test that she was getting. I mean, technology is, especially for the issue of abortion, is really working against the pro-choice movement. for the issue of abortion is really working against the pro-choice movement.

But you're right. You know, there is a human being on the other side of this. And they have used compassion as well as euphemisms, as you well know, to sort of, you know, obscure what the reality is. And so, yeah, I think it's an an excellent point i also just did an interview ali um with a border patrol agent and we were talking about ngos and this is another area ali where you see compassion uh being used like these ngos are are getting their money from the government getting their money from international organizations like the UN, and they are cloaking it all in compassion for illegal immigration. And yet they knowingly are complicit in the child sex trade, the child labor trade, which has tripled since Joe Biden has come into office and Kamala Harris as well. And so, again, it's another

example of, I mean, I can't think, you know, it's one of the gravest evils. And we're literally facilitating, we're helping, you know, these evil transnational cartels that are human trafficking and really turning these children into slaves and prostitutes. really turning these children into slaves and prostitutes. Yes, the NGOs at the border facilitating all of this chaos and evil is such a perfect example of toxic empathy. And yet the stories that we hear from the media, and this is a story that I tell every chapter begins actually with the left wing perspective on a story about the subject that we're covering. So the immigration chapter tells a story about a woman named Maribel Diaz. That's how it opens up. And this was

originally reported by the Washington Post. She is a mother and she fled Mexico with her family illegally, fleeing gang violence and poverty. She lived and worked in Fairfield, Ohio. Then when Donald Trump was president, she was deported because she was here illegally. And the story is gut-wrenching. As a mother, the thought of being separated from my children is the worst thing that I can even imagine. And so by the end of this article, that's all you're thinking about when it comes to the immigration subject. You're only thinking about her story. You're not thinking about the human cost on the other side of this issue, which is exactly what the media wants.

They want you to forget about exactly what you just described. What is being incentivized, enabled through open borders, the sex trafficking of children, the drug trafficking that's killing Americans. They want you to forget about Lake and Riley. They want you to forget about Molly Tibbetts. They want you to forget about Gates Steinle. But most importantly, and this is really what Christians have to focus on, they want you to forget about what's good and true. Because at the end of the day, on every issue, there are always going to be people on both sides of a topic that demand our empathy, that demand our compassion, and that's okay. But at the end of the day, it's really not about how we feel or about how someone else feels.

That can only get us so far. The question is, what is right and what is true? And there are lots of ways that we can see truth, observable reality, but for the Christian, it's got to be ultimately what the Bible says is true. That's what informs our perspective on all of these issues. Yeah. And the problem, you know, at the border, just to not to belabor that, but is that a lot of those NGOs are Christian, are purportedly Christian NGOs. So you have Catholic Relief Services, which it breaks my heart. I tell people all the time, I'm like,

they're not Catholic and they're not a charity. You know, I mean, like, I mean, I refuse to allow myself to be associated with that. I know what it means to be Catholic. And I can't for the life of me understand why an organization with the name Catholic in front of it would have anything to do with child sexual exploitation. I mean, they know what's happening. And so, and it's not just the Christians, there's Lutheran services, there's Jewish, you know,

NGOs that are also in this business. And it's clearly a money making business. But I think they put the name Christian or Catholic or Jewish in front of it, and we're supposed to be intimidated to question what they're doing. Yes, you're exactly right. And it's because very often those who are, I call them like empathy mongers or empathy bullies, they will extract the Bible verse, they'll take it out of context, and they'll say, well, ancient Israel was told to love the sojourner or Jesus calls us to love the least of these. They won't look at the context and they won't even ask the question, what does this really mean?

They will just slap those decontextualized verses on their policy proposals and say, see, this is biblical. But Christians are supposed to think harder than that. We're supposed to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, all of our mind, our soul, and our strength. And God has given us a lot of clarity in His Word. And just on that border issue there, I mean, we could go into what the Bible says about all these issues. But on the border issue, because I do see so many Christians getting tripped up on this one, thinking that loving the sojourner means open borders. Look, God is a God of order.

God gave us countries. God gave us borders. God gave us governments. He gave us laws for human flourishing and for our good. All of these things exist to put a check on evil. When we see walls depicted throughout scripture, whether literally or metaphorically, they're always a positive sign. They're a signal, a symbol of security, of prosperity, of God's protection for His people. Heaven itself has walls. Adam and Eve were placed in a garden,

a well-cultivated garden that they were instructed to work and to keep, not a jungle, a garden that actually had barriers, that actually had parameters. And so, borderlessness is lawlessness. Satan himself is depicted as the man of lawlessness. And God is a God of order because He loves us. It's not because we hate the sojourner. It's because we love the neighbors by which God has placed us. You know, Allie, I think of it, I mean, by the way, I love the way you place it. And I think it's right for us as Christians to see it from this biblical perspective that there is the word of God and there are lots of clues of how to live and how to, you know, build out public policy based on those principles, based on the word of God. I love that. I look at

it so much more simple. Like I think about like, okay, I'm a Christian. I'm called to be charitable, to care about those who are, you know, homeless or those who are in need, those who, you know, strangers, you know, who are in this nation, whatever. So I'm a mom. And if I just open my doors to my home and let people in and fed them and clothed them and gave them a room without vetting them, I would be a bad mom. How could I possibly let see people into my home without knowing anything about them or enough about them to know that they won't hurt my children, who are my first and foremost responsibility? Exactly.

It's so simple. And so that sort of maternal example to me catches. I love what you're talking about. It's our job to inform ourselves biblically, politically, economically, especially three weeks before what I think. And I'm sure you agree with me, Ali. I don't think there's ever been a more important election than the one we have right now. important election than the one we have right now. Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of do or die, really. I mean, I don't really know where our country will be if we lose this election. I just, I can't, I don't even know what to think. So here we are three weeks out. What do you think? And we just had, you know, our own Fox News with Harris Faulkner did a town hall with women. What do you think women in particular, there are more women registered to vote, more women that do vote than men. So they have this massive responsibility in this election. What do you want them to think about before they go into that ballot box? Goodness, there are so many things. I just think about, you know,

There are so many things. I just think about, you know, I'm a girl mom. We've got three girls, and I'm thinking of them. I'm, of course, thinking about what is right, what is true, but I'm thinking about their future. I'm thinking about my future grandchildren and what kind of country I want to live in. And I think about how just today there was a pro-life protester who was sentenced to three and a half years in prison by the Harris Biden administration for unlawful assembly, not for violence for protesting outside of a New York abortion clinic. And so we've got a government right now under Harris, who is in the

White House, who rewards evil and punishes good. Is that the kind of upside down country? Do I want my kids to grow up in a borderless country? Do I want my kids to grow up knowing Lake and Riley's? Do I want my kids to become a Lake and Riley? Do I want there to be men and boys entering my daughter's facilities, playing sports against my daughters, taking their scholarships? All of those things are at stake right now. You know, Donald Trump, whether you like his personality or not, that's really irrelevant. Personalities, personal qualms that you have with someone come and go. Policies last a really long time. Policies have a generational impact. That's what I want women to remember. Yeah, that's a great point. I have six girls

and three boys. And I have girls, I have one daughter, I have a daughter who's married, I have another one who's in college in Texas. And I think a lot about Lake and Raleigh. I mean, I'm worried about my own daughter in Dallas, by the way. A couple weeks ago in Dallas, there was a Tren de Aragua gang member who broke into a home invasion, essentially. Not that far from where she's going to school. It was a home invasion, essentially. Not that far from where she's going to school. So they're clearly in Dallas. Oh, yes.

I think about this a lot. I mean, you know, I can control the ones that are at my house. Right. But a lot harder. I mean, it's heartbreaking. It's hard enough to let them go to college, but knowing that they could go for a jog and wind up dead for no reason, because that person should not have even been allowed in our country is really a scary thought. One of the things I like about your book, Ali, is you have this list of of lies told told by the left. One of them is abortion is health care. But another lie that that reminded me of is that if you have a baby, whether it's out of wedlock or not, frankly,

it's going to ruin your life. That's the message that the abortion industry the abortion advocates um put out there that essentially your dreams your aspirations not to sound like kamala harris there um but your professional passions um are gonna go away you can't do anything once you have kids your life is over that's the message they're sending girls frankly, that's the message that's sending a lot of unborn babies basically to their execution. I look at someone like you and the influence that you've had through your books, through, as I said, your excellent podcast. What is your what is your message to other other young women who either are pregnant or aren't pregnant? I get a lot of questions from young, young women who aren't married, like, you know, how do I balance these things that I love to do with the idea of having

a family, which I think I want, I don't know, I want, you've seen've seen you steer somebody who I think is a really great example of a young woman who's having a lot of professional success, but not necessarily at the expense of your children. It's sort of actually, from what I can tell, it's enhanced your work. Yeah, talk a little bit about that. Yeah, of course. So I started doing this or a form of what I do now before I had kids. And not everyone can kind of tell on the outside what's going on in the inside. But I do a lot. I do. Things look a lot different than they did before I had kids.

Before I had my oldest daughter, I was traveling all the time, multiple times a week. You know, my husband, I'd meet him in New, multiple times a week. My husband, I'd meet him in New York or he'd meet me in San Francisco. We're going to all these places. And it was super fun. It was a fun time of life. And I was doing all the interviews, waking up super early in the morning. And then when I had my daughter, I was like, there's just no way that I can do all of this right now in this stage of life. So I took a major step back when it came to travel, when it came to interviews. But I continued to do my podcast, which is a slower pace and all of those things. And there have been different seasons. And I have learned,

my husband has learned, as y'all do so well, like now we're in a place where we get to take our family with us to do things. It's still not as fast paced as it was a few years ago, but it's so much more rewarding. And there are going to be different seasons of our life in a few years. They might be, you know, all in school and it'll be different than it is right now. I've talked to so many moms who are business owners, who are entrepreneurs, who took a break for a couple years and God was faithful to provide for them and bring them back to what they love to do professionally later on in life. I would just say, take each season, take each day as it comes, put your family first, put your kids first, because they matter way more than any professional success or any career,

any money or any fame and everything else will fall into place. Like God is just, he's really good. He's given you the talents and the skills that you have for a reason. We don't know exactly how those come to fruition, but they do in very beautiful ways and in a way that you don't have to sacrifice kids for that. We'll be back with more of this conversation. From the Fox News Podcast Network. I'm Ben Domenech, Fox News contributor and editor of the Transom.com daily newsletter.

And I'm inviting you to join a conversation every week. It's the Ben Domenech Podcast. Subscribe and listen now by going to FoxNewsPodcast.com. How old are your girls? They are five, three, and one. Oh my gosh, they're still so young. Yes, they're so young. They're so sweet.

It is a wonderful, this is, and you know, I have, as you know, nine, and they range from five to 25. Yes. I have two married, a grandbaby on the way from my son and his wife. I love it. I think, you know, and just yesterday I was talking to a colleague of mine and she said, I have a friend who's not sure if she wants to have another baby or not. What's your advice? I'm like, I'm the wrong person to ask. I've never been on birth control.

So but somebody gave me really good advice. And they said, you know, because you know what it's like with, you know, the ages of your kids, that's a very busy time. And it's and it can be hard. It can be beautiful and fun as well. And it should be. But I think, you know, when you're in that kind of a phase, it sometimes can feel like I can't add another one. And somebody told me, don't think about the amount of kids you want now. Think about how many people you want around the dining room table on Thanksgiving 20 years from now, right? Oh, that's good. Isn't that a good one? Yes. And it's good for me to remember right now. Yeah, that's a good one for you, Allie. Because this phase that you're in right now, it passes. And it passes so fast. It passes

so, so fast. And the other thing that happens, and you're not quite there yet, Allie, but you're going to be there before you know it, which is, you know, the older ones are more independent. They're also helpful. in our culture that, you know, you can't ask older kids, you know, to help out that would be, you know, not good, or that would be, you know, too demanding, or could, you know, yeah, they're gonna end up, you know, having psychological issues from having too much, too many chores. It's actually proven quite the opposite. Kids with chores, have more self esteem, kids with responsibility, have, you know, they're just much more self-esteem um kids with responsibility have um you know they're just much more self-empowered totally believe that you know and they whine less by the way they've done studies on whining alley kids with chores whine less like what could you not want why would you

not want them to have chores just based on that benefit? Yes, that's such a benefit. Just this morning, I was telling my friend, I was like, I feel like we've entered a new era because I told my five year old I was, you know, getting ready myself. And I said, Okay, I need you to go get dressed. And I need you to pick out your sister's clothes, too. And I need your three year old sister, I need you to help her get dressed. And I also need you to make sure that the baby is okay. And I was need you to make sure that the baby is okay. And I was just, you know, sometimes I give them challenges and instructions, not really knowing if they're going to be able to accomplish all of it. But when she and her three year old

sister came in, like fully dressed for the day, I was like, you go girl. And she was so proud of herself. So I can definitely see the truth in what you're saying. Yes. Yes. You know, even like, when, you know, our kids, we make sure they can drive right away. I mean, it's like, I know people with one or two kids, and they're like, Oh, I'm so stressed about like, I don't, they're gonna start driving soon. And it's I don't want them to drive. And for me, I'm like, listen, you got to drive because I need drivers. And so it's just a it's a different. I think that my when my when I've sent my kids off to college alley, they're just they're very self-sufficient. They know how to do their laundry. They know how to do stuff. They know how to grocery shop. They know how to do all the things that I've needed

them to step up and help do because we're a tribe. We're a family. And we have to help each other out and we have to teach our kids how to be self-sufficient and helpful. And you're talking about empathy and putting the needs of others first. It's learn first in the home, right? It is. It is. And I'm seeing that so much. And obviously, I'm still learning a lot about motherhood.

And I don't fancy myself someone who has it all figured out. But everything that you're saying, you know, I've really started to see it. And it all happens so much faster than you think. All of those virtues and those responsibilities that you're talking about, it's like all the, you're, they're babies and you're thinking, well, it's not time for them to learn that. And then all of a sudden you realize that they're almost kindergartners and you're like, wow, they can really learn and apply this stuff that I've been teaching them. They are big enough. They're ready before you think they are. And that's something that I'm

only kind of just now realizing. And so and yeah, there's something so beautiful to the home kind of being the nucleus, like the first place that they're learning how to be good adults. Yeah, I had a teacher once tell me, Ellie, that she could tell that my child came from a big family. And I was like, well, how could you tell by the way she was operating the class? And she said, Oh, because she anticipates other people's needs. And I thought, that's a really beautiful thing to do, right? Like that's, and that's because in our house, as you said, it's the first they're learning. It's it's it's you're the primary teacher and the home is is is the sanctuary. Tell me about how I mean, you're working from home, right? Is that where your podcast is is being taped out of? You know, I go into a studio and

it's close by and I'm in a studio for about I would say max 12 hours a week. So I would say like 10 to 12 hours a week. Sometimes I've got a baby in tow. Sometimes I don't. My parents live down the street from us. So we just kind of all, we all kind of make it work together. But I do have the blessing of being able to be home a lot. That's incredible. What's your advice to young women who are who are looking to start out, you know, start a family and and just sort of the importance of of of the home of the home being sort of this?

I think it's a sanctuary. Totally. I mean, the world seems to be getting crazier. There's a lot of chaos and there's only so much that we can control. Of course, it's important to care about and talk about these big issues, but sometimes the only thing that we can focus on is what's right in front of us. We have this phrase that I say on my show, do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. And a lot of times that's just changing a diaper with joy. A lot of times that's helping your child figure out their art project or memorize a Bible verse or washing the dishes

in an excellent way and with a good attitude. All of that stuff matters too. And there can be order and beauty and safety in your home, even when there's craziness outside of the home. And, you know, the Bible describes children as arrows that you're launching into the future. And if there's anything that a chaotic and lost world needs, it is wise, kind, strong, bold children that grow into those kinds of adults. And the fact that we as women, we as mothers and fathers get to play a role in shaping the world by shaping the next generation is huge. You don't have to be an influencer to have influence.

You will never have more influence than over the people that are in your home and in your care. And I would just encourage women who are looking for a husband. I know the dating scene is, I hear it's really hard out there. Don't settle. Marry a man that you don't just, you know, you're not just attracted to him, although that's important. You don't just feel strong feelings for him, although that's important. But marry a man that is a hard worker, that is honest, and that will make a good dad because that kind of thing lasts forever.

So that's the advice that I would give. Yeah, I always tell young women that they need to prioritize their love life, not their careers, that the most important decision they will ever make in their life is who they marry. And I think that's good advice. I want to go back to what you said before. You know, I've taken so much inspiration from Mother Teresa. And if you ever can get a book, Ali, there's a book of, there's many of them, but there are books with all her best quotes. And, you know, she's a saint for a reason. This woman is so wise. But some of my favorite things, you kind of, in some way, encapsulated it in the last things that you had said. She would say, you know, do small things with great love, right?

Whether it's changing the diaper or emptying the dishwasher or doing the laundry. It's like doing those small things with great love. And she also said, if you want peace in the world, go home and love your family. You know, go home and love the people inside your house. And that charity begins at home. And I think that a lot of times, we can get so distracted by these big issues, right? And we want to solve them. And I think especially in the field that you and I are in, it's very tempting to think that, you know, the influence we have is actually is influence,

right? Like, in the end, the only thing we have control over is ourselves and our little tribe, our little family. And that's something, Ali, actually that my husband talks about a lot. He went to Congress with these ambitions about what he was going to accomplish and how he was going to fix the country. And I think he did a lot of good things. I'm especially proud of the stuff that he's done on the pro-life side. But after 10 years, he would tell you, he said this many times on our podcast. At the end, he just felt like, I think the wheels were coming off the bus for us family-wise and we decided to rejigger this thing and rebalance and reconfigure it. And we had to come back to what really mattered, right? What really lasted and what we could take control of,

which is, as you said, is the family. Yeah. Is the family. And that's so good because, I mean, not everyone would have made that, you know, sacrificial decision. And it really does have to be what is best for our family, what is best for our kids, what is best for our marriage too. Because one of the best gifts that we can give our children is to love our spouse and to show

our kids that we not only love their dad, their mom or dad, but that you like them, that you enjoy spending time with them. Both my husband and I are extremely blessed that both of our parents have been married for over 40 years. And so we have that example of strong marriage in our life and it's benefited us so much. And we want to give that same gift to our kids. So anytime that is out of whack, that's a sign for any couple to say, okay, it doesn't matter what we have to give up, what we have to change. We're going to do it to get this thing back on track because that has

a generational impact. What's your best tip for married people in terms of keeping that marriage, you know, central and healthy and growing? Yeah, I was given a piece of advice one time from a family member. And I just I think of it all the time because, you know, I'm in that stage where we're just kind of getting out of the like sleepless nights of this last round. But, you know, there's still a lot of lack of sleep and there's three people that need you a whole lot. And traveling is we we travel a lot all together. But it's but it's a lot of work. And something that I have to remind myself of, that we have to remind ourselves of, is that we are on the same team. For every midnight feeding, for every stressful travel day, for every stressful morning, whatever it is,

we are on the same team. We're going the same direction. We're not competing against each other. We're not seeing who can do more work and who does it better and who is not, you know, pulling their end enough. We are on the same team. And when I have that mentality, that makes me a lot more gracious. That gives me the mentality of always giving the benefit of the doubt, of thinking the best and wanting the best. But when you have like a rivalry mentality that you are trying to win,

well, then that creates a lot of bitterness and that affects everyone really negatively. So I don't, you know, we're nine years in and so we're still have a lot to learn in marriage, but that is one piece of advice that I try to take to heart. Oh, I think that's really good advice. I think that's really good advice. You know, I've been married 25 years, Allie, and I feel like I'm

learning every day more and more on. Yeah. But I do think that if the marriage is healthy, the family's healthy. And I think that prioritization of the marriage and you talk a lot about order, right? That is the proper order. When the marriage is strong, the kids benefit. If the marriage implodes, it's a disaster for the kids. So take time to be with your spouse, to go on vacation alone with your spouse. Make sure that you understand that in the end, you know, these kids, they do fly away and you're going to be with your spouse or not. And so I think it's very tempting when they're little. And I'm sure you experience that to, you know, feel like you have to be there all the time for the kids. But in the end, it's not really a service to the kids. You really have to nurture your relationship, right? Yes. Yep. You're exactly right. And it can be hard when you're busy and you just feel like you don't have time for that. But, you know,

again, going back to the seasons conversation, you might not be in a season either financially or just the responsibilities that you have where you're going on some fancy date night once a week. That's not what it has to look like to have quality time. It might be 10 minutes, you know, before you go to bed that you're really investing in your spouse. But whatever you can do, just making sure that you're prioritizing that relationship. I agree. Yeah. And that your spouse feels like they are your priority. I just can't tell you how much of a fan I am of you, Allie Beth. We've never met in person, but I have been following you. Allie Beth Thank you. Likewise.

I have been following what you do. And I think that you're an incredible example as a mom, that you can have a family, have a marriage, be true to your faith, to God, and still put something out there that I think, you know, a lot of people are putting a lot of content out there. Let's be, let's be, you know, real about that content. Content is king is what they say. But all content is not alike. Your content, in my view, Allie, what you're putting out into the universe is meaningful, is practical, is like, I just kind of think of it as something a Christian woman can sink her teeth into. There's a lot of depth in what you're putting out there and you do it in a brave way. I know that you've ruffled feathers out there and I love that you know who you really truly answer to and you say what needs to be said no matter what the consequences are in terms of the world.

And I'm just a big fan of you and I'm really your book is fantastic. Toxic empathy. I hope people get it. book is fantastic toxic empathy i hope people get it but mostly i hope people get onto your onto your um your podcast because i think um just getting that regular dose of knowing you're not alone um that there's another christian woman out there um who's who's facing the same things and and trying to make sense of this crazy world we're living in and trying to help us all look at it through a christian perspective is is really. So I just really want to congratulate you for what you do. I know that it's hard to balance everything as a mom and as a wife. But what you're doing is making

a difference. It really is making a difference. Well, thank you. And I feel the same about you. And I love following your sweet, beautiful family. You have such a beautiful family and I love what you and Sean do. So thank you so much. Of course. It's Allie Beth Stuckey. The book, as you know, as I've been talking about is Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion. And of course, you can catch her always on the Relatable podcast. You can bring her into your organization to speak. I'd like to be invited to one of those speeches one of these days. Allie, it's so great talking to you. Good luck with everything.

And I hope we get to talk to you again soon. Thank you so much. God bless. Listen ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members can listen to the show ad-free on the Amazon Music app. From the Fox News Podcast Network.

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