From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Could The RNC Change 'Never Trumpers' Minds?

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

With day four of the Republican National Convention underway, Rachel and Sean share what it's like to be on the ground -- as fatigue, excitement, and adrenaline surround convention goers who are watching the Republican party unify in a way many have not seen in years. They also share their thoughts on how much power "Never Trumpers" can have in the election, as November gets closer and things with President Biden don't look like they're getting better. Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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She's also my partner in life. Usually she's my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. How are you doing? It's great. I can tell you're getting tired. I'm getting tired. But we have so much to look forward to tonight. Melania is going to show up.

Tucker Carlson has a speaking slot. And, of course, Donald Trump, really the first public remarks to a large audience since he's had an assassination attempt. Yeah, no, it's a big night, a big day. Again, you mentioned this a little bit. Listen, it's exhilarating. It's fun to be here. I see a lot of my old colleagues, a lot of friends, and a lot of excitement. But it does get to be tiring.

On day four, you start to drag a little bit. But again, the excitement will push you over the edge. And I think tomorrow we'll probably sleep a lot, but you will not because you're going to do Fox and Friends. Yeah, I'm going to be doing a diner in the morning. I'll be up at like, you know, 2.30 a.m. I'm going to get hair and makeup done and get myself to that diner by 5 a.m. By the way, I talked to a friend that I know that actually met with Donald Trump yesterday in a private meeting. And he asked her, should I wear the thing over my ear or not? So, I mean, it must be that he's healing enough and he's going to be able to make a decision about that.

I know he didn't even want to wear a mask during COVID. He was only forced to. I don't know what the ear looks like. We haven't seen the ear, but it might be really powerful to see a chunk of his ear gone on stage. That's the advice that Dana White would give him.

Definitely show the wounded ear. And Dana White, by the way, is going to be speaking tonight as well. This is going to be an amazing night. We've been to a lot of conventions and they're usually pretty good. They're well produced, really wonderful speakers. But this one is probably the best convention I've been to. And again, I've been to probably I don't know how many I've been to, but at least six,

if not more. And it's not just the lead up. Right. There's there there obviously there's an assassination attempt. There was a bogus conviction with an unfair judge. Beyond that, just the production of this convention, the speakers and the messaging. And again, I come back to what's crazy, what's not crazy. Yeah, normal versus crazy. It's common sense stuff. And again, there's been some videos that have played that have bashed Joe Biden, but it really has been a policy conversation and discussion about where the country is going to go. One of my, I'm going to give you my favorite moment. There's been a lot of great moments, but my favorite part of this whole convention, I'm not sure if it showed on

TV or not. So I'm not sure if y'all saw it or not but there's a YMCA the YMCA song they play and they have Donald Trump dancing in all these different ways they play it they play it every night and I'm sorry I can't get enough of it people can't get enough of the video you can probably google the video from the convention if you don't know what we're talking about it'll put a smile on your face I'm catching my favorite convention moment and then I want to tell you Sean what I think is the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans and how this convention and people's reactions in the convention has revealed that so first of all my favorite moment can we

do that can I just give you guys a little insight into what happens here Rachel always feels like she's a little short so she wants a pillow and she has no pillow I have no pillow here at this chair. She's just lower. I'm feeling a little short. All right, your convention. My favorite moment actually didn't happen inside the convention hall. It happened across the street where all the podcasters are, and our daughter Evita was in a podcast room where Russell Brand was.

classroom where Russell Brand was. And my mom is very Catholic, prays the rosary daily, and has decided to join Russell Brand, who's a recent convert. He does like a live stream rosary every day. And my mother joins him in the rosary. So my daughter approached Russell Brand and said, hey, my 80-year-old grandma prays the rosary with you. And he was really touched and said, oh, what's your mom's name? And she said, well, my 80-year-old grandma prays the rosary with you. And he was really touched and said, what's your mom's name? And she said, well, you know what? Why don't you want to give her a message? And he said, absolutely. And he said, hola, Senora Pilar, encantada.

And then he said to Hail Mary with her and thanked her for praying the rosary to the Divine Mother. It is astounding. Actually, I'm going to retweet it. So it's going to be on my Twitter account right after this podcast. It's just a remarkable moment. Can you give us a Russell Brand favorite picture that you've seen, though? Oh, yeah. My favorite picture is that later, I went by that same podcast room, and Russell Brand had a guest, and it was none other than Senator Ron Johnson, our friend. Let's face it, he's a pretty straight-laced guy.

And everyone was in their authentic spirit. So there was, you know, suit, tie, you know. Businessman Ron Johnson. Businessman Ron Johnson. Dressed like he's, you know, at the convention. At the convention or at one of his business meetings before he was a senator or in the Senate chamber. And there was Russell Brand on the couch, legs crossed, in a very Zen-like position. No, Russell Brand was barefoot.

He was barefoot. With his feet up on the couch. He was barefoot. And they're having this conversation, and you made a very interesting point. It's like you look at the two of them. The pitcher would say, these two people do not belong together, do not belong together. They come from opposite sides of the world. But the two of them actually have been fighting the same fight. They agree on so many things, which is interesting in politics.

When you see people from so many different walks of life coming around and rallying around individual freedom to say both of them have come to say, listen, we have some concerns about what's happened with the vaccine and the messaging on the vaccine and on COVID. And those two have been on the forefront. No, John is beyond the forefront. These guys are the absolute champions. When it was dangerous

politically, when it was dangerous, I mean, Russell Brand had a lot of dirt smeared at him because of that. They tried to take him out. These two guys were so courageous and they found each other. And I'm telling you what what the powers that be hate is when those two ideological sides, the Ron Johnson, conservative Republican businessman and this, you know, liberal Hollywood star meet, oh boy, when that common ground is found, the powers that be get very nervous. And that was one of those moments. Both of these guys have taken on big pharma. They've taken on the lives of the medical establishment and they've paid a price for it, but they've come out stronger and vindicated.

And it was, it's my favorite picture. I'm going to post that one as well, Sean. I'm going to tell you what happens here. In America, there's a lot of things we can fight about, right? You can fight about abortion. You can fight about tax policy. You can fight about health care policy. But there's something that unites everybody, and it's freedom, right?

Giving maximum freedom to the individual. And these two have come together around freedom. But that's just freedom transparency. COVID and the vaccine were an affront to freedom. Absolutely. I mean, bodily autonomy was definitely assaulted during COVID. But, you know, there are a lot of people, what I admire the most about Ron Johnson is that it was taboo to talk about the vaccine injured. These people were left

out to dry by Pfizer, by the government who forced them to take these, these, you know, literally untested vaccines long, they had no long term testing. And they lied about many of the studies. And he was the only senator who was willing to give them a hearing, the only senator willing to give doctors a hearing. And when he had a Senate hearing, guess what big tech did? They disappeared it. We have to remember the crazy crap that happened during that time. But this is what's happening at this convention, right? What you see on TV is wonderful and well-produced and great speakers,

but behind the scenes, things like Russell Brand and Ron Johnson are getting together and having conversations and talking and building relationships and sharing information, right? And the power of those relationships and the sharing of that information is what's dangerous to those who want to silence you. 100%. That want to control you. So, Sean, you talked about how well produced this event is. The impact we talked yesterday about the impact it was having on regular, everyday Americans, many of them nonpolitical people. Walking around these convention halls as well are a lot of never

trumpers are a lot of big donors um and you and a lot of political operatives who have been doing everything they can behind the scenes to not just take down donald trump but to prevent the nomination of jd vance who is you know somebody who could be uh you know the future of the.D. Vance, who is, you know, somebody who could be, you know, the future of the party because of his youth and because of how fully he's embraced the America First agenda. So I was in the elevator, I'm not going to name names, with somebody who is a media type person. I also had another encounter with a very prominent political operative who was a big never-Trumper, but I'll just give the example of the media person who was a never-Trumper. I ran into this person in the elevator, and I said, what do you think of the convention? How's it going? It was a very friendly

conversation, and he said, you know, it's very well-produced, very nice, very well-produced, but, you know, basically, I don't like JD Mans. And that was sort of the message. And I've seen a little bit of that sort of grumpiness, reluctant acceptance by many big dollar donors that I know, many big political operatives. One of them, I'm not going to say the name, it rhymes with Cove. She's not... one of them, I'm not going to say the name it rhymes with Cove but these people are very reluctantly begrudgingly accepting

this and here's why I think it's a beautiful thing, not because I think it's good to throw it in their face and everything that's happened, that's not it at all the beauty of this moment is the two people who are standing on the stage tonight that you'll see tonight, J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, are people that not just the media and

the Democrats tried to vilify, take down, remove from ballots, bankrupt, imprison, assassin, assassinate, but even within the party, there were powerful forces, the most powerful forces, which are, of course, the donors, the consultants, the political operatives, the lobbyists, people predicting and actively trying to prevent this nomination, this duo of America First people. And yet the voters won out. The voters, the base, are who elected this. Every single force in the universe was against them. And they stand only because of the base of the voters who stood by them and listened to the message and said, that makes sense to me. On the other hand, Sean, you have the Democrats right now who aren't just in disarray, but the entire decision that's going to come out this

week. And we'll talk about, you know, some of the latest developments on Joe Biden and what Nancy is doing and what Barack Obama is doing, what the donors are doing, which is like basically not giving a dime until this situation is settled. It is all being settled, Sean, by the elites, by the donors, by the power players, the 50 million. Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, the 50 million... Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, the 50 million Democrat donors. Nancy Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries. Exactly. The 50 million Democrat voters who put Joe Biden in are not part of this conversation.

The new godfather is actually the godmother. It's Nancy Pelosi. I've been told she's making a lot of calls to Democrats saying, you have the green light to criticize Joe Biden and call for him to come down. This is a party run by the elites, unlike our convention, which the grumpy faces are the power players. So a couple of things. You're right. There is this divide in the Republican Party. And I will just tell you that some people come to conventions looking for a little bit of a fight.

That fight has not happened on the floor. Yes, they might be grumpy, but they're not fighting the inevitable. They've accepted the inevitable. You know, Trump is on his way. You've mentioned J.D. Vance. They probably would have liked someone a little more in their ilk. Yeah, they wanted a Burgum or a Yunkin or somebody who was more corporate. They don't have that.

They have someone fully in the vein of Donald Trump. You bring up a good point because Democrats talk about democracy a lot. And Donald Trump's nomination, contrary to what the liberal media wanted and what the power brokers in business wanted, the Republican Party voter wanted Donald Trump. And we had a primary. the Republican Party voter wanted Donald Trump. And we had a primary. And those who all lost in the primary to Donald Trump have come here to speak and express their support

for him. It is a unification of this party. You might say, well, there are two people who aren't here that could be here, which are George Bush and Mike Pence. They're not here. But I do think... Why aren't the Bushes here, Sean? Well, Donald Trump has criticized George Bush. I mean, on the Iraq war... Yeah, but I do think the Bush is here. Well, I listen I well Donald Trump has criticized George Bush

I mean on the Iraq war is criticized every single one of those speakers that you but that is that is the history Of his of his presidency, right? He has gone to the heart of the George Bush presidency and knifed it and knifed it within the Republican Party And I think for George Bush, that's unforgivable. I that because some people might not remember. I've never met George Bush. And again, I think he's a nice enough man. I think he got some policy wrong. But Donald Trump has come out and in essence, been very critical of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. And he's taken the party with him to look back to go maybe a party that was supportive of those wars in hindsight that was stupid we lost a lot of men good men and women and we spent a lot

of money and what do we get for it the the those areas are are as bad or worse today than they were before george bush invaded and we lost those lives. And so when Donald Trump made that attack, again, he was attacking the presidency of George Bush. And that's unforgivable to George Bush. He can't let that go. I would imagine if I'm going to guess, if I'm going to bet, I bet George Bush in Texas is going to vote for Joe Biden or whoever the nominee is going to be. But with that said, I want to talk just quickly about the Democrats. You're right. Can I just make one point on George Bush? I actually think it's very revealing. I think you're right that he's probably going to vote for Joe Biden. I think there's many never Trumpers of

the George Bush ilk that are going to for the reason you said about stupid wars. But also, I think that the whole sort of like D.C. cartel, the people who make money and gain power, whether we go to war, when we go to war, when we, you know, when with their, you know, sort of tax, tax breaks are everything kind of mentality. I think the party has been remade by Donald Trump in the way we look at wars now, that, you know, this was a peacetime president who wants peace, who says, you know, one of the first things he's going to do is end the Ukraine war. But also, you know, you saw Teamsters. I talked to donors who were upset that the Teamster guy was speaking. There's a lot of blue-collar workers out there that are Teamsters.

And so this is such a fundamental transformation of the party into the working class. And more importantly, Sean, away from this sort of really rigid, Ayn Rand, libertarian way of looking at conservatism. I know I have made, that's why I'm not critical of J.D. Vance having changed his position on Donald Trump, because I've changed so many positions that I sort of reflexively had as a college Republican who just accepted everything that was coming out of Young America's Foundation and the Heritage Foundation and National Review. And now I look at things, not just because of Donald Trump, but because of the kids we've had and the trajectory we've had and the economy we have to deal with.

I look at everything through and the cultural changes we've had, which are really at the heart of the problems we have. I look at everything through the prism of what is good for the family. What is good for the family? We'll have more of this conversation after this. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back. CBC News brings the story to you as it happens. Hundreds of wildfires are burning.

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But just to be clear, there's been things that Donald Trump has done that I disagree with, right? And I have no problem saying that because most things I agree with. But there's things that I disagree with and I have no problem talking about that and saying it. It goes back to after 9-11, and again, fear is a powerful motivator. It gave us the Department of Homeland Security and gave us the Patriot Act. But also we thought there was a risk that came from the Muslim community,

right? Radical Muslims. And we were okay with the FBI infiltrating mosques. And if you have, and if you have some radical places that could be a danger to your country, okay. But we were somewhat supportive of that. And now you look, and there were smart people who said, be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you accept. Because what's acceptable in the mosque will be acceptable in the church. And we said, no, come on. In the Christian churches, yeah.

And lo and behold, you have the FBI that's infiltrated Latin mass Catholic churches. And that's what we know. We don't know where else they've gone because the potential for domestic extremism, if you look at what the CIA and the FBI have said, are people of faith, Donald Trump supporters, and those who have served in the military or are in the military. And white people in general. So, again, history and seeing how things play out can change your point of view. But Democrats are in a unique spot right now

because Joe Biden and his mental state, they've lied to the voter and to the American people. And with that lie, they believe in democracy. And in that democracy they had a primary and joe biden won the primary they don't like their pick now and so they're trying to push joe biden now and so you have the dnc the democrat national committee they're loyal to joe biden they're trying to push up the nomination they want to do it by you know by zoom and nominate joe biden before nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the donors can push him out. But the Congress has pushed back against that and said, no, you know, we're not going to do this early.

We're going to do it, you know, closer to the convention, which, by the way, it should be done at the convention, which is in the middle of August. They're talking about doing it right now on August 1st. They're moving that date up. But here's the, this is, again, I'm not playing partisan politics right now. I'm just telling you, in politics, I think they have a problem. And the problem is they have a coalition that is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it is the radical elitists on the coast.

You mean the environmentalists, the coastal elites? They're just elites on the coast. They make a lot of money, and they're not impacted by the decisions that their leaders make. They're not impacted by illegal immigration. They have too much money to be impacted by... Gas prices.

By gas prices and food prices, by inflation. Their kids aren't fighting the foreign wars that are potentially on our horizon. They're paying to get to an elite school. So they're not impacted by the policies that they support. You have the environmentalists. You have the transgender community. You have the minority communities. You have even still unions that are part of the Democrat coalition. And they all have different ideas. And the Democrats miraculously have been able to keep them all together under their tent. You get rid of Joe Biden. Now you're going to have a debate. Is it Kamala Harris? Is it Gavin Newsom? Is it Gretchen Whitmer? Who are they

going to take? They're going to go to the floor and it's going to rip their party apart. And so my advice is, yeah, Joe is an old and beaten down horse, but he is the horse that your voters voted for. And he's going to keep that coalition together. And still there's hate for Donald Trump. And Donald Trump has been a powerful motivator to the left. And the media foments that. That's been their uniting issue, right? And that's right.

So you can keep them together and hate for Donald Trump, keep Joe Biden there. You go to the convention and you have a convention vote on one of these other candidates, they're going to get split. They're going to be angry. They're going to be divided. And by the way, you're a couple months away from early voting. How do you put a campaign together to early vote and make the push against Donald Trump in the common sense that you've seen at this convention is really challenging. And Trump, I had an interview with Harris Faulkner before he was the attempted assassination. And he was saying, because she asked him, do you want to run against Joe Biden? And in essence, he said, it doesn't matter to me because their policies are the same. They're talking about the same thing.

The policy that's hurt America is not going to change with the new face at the top of the ticket. The policy is the same for all of them. And so he was very confident if he's running on ideas, his ideas, no matter who the candidate is going to be, is going to win the day. So I ran into one of your old colleagues, GOP congressperson. I'm not going to say the name. You're not saying anyone's name. I know, because I don't want to get everyone in trouble. Except you said someone's name who rhymes with Cove,

who, by the way, I like the guy. He's a wonderful guy and a smart guy who rhymes with Cove. Just a little wrong on Trump. He's just wrong a lot. Yeah. Okay, so here is this member of Congress that I talked to last night, a friend of yours. Are we going to get fired?

No, no. Listen, by the way, we went to an event, and it was me, Sean, and my sister. We went to one of these convention events, and he got tired, and he Irish'd out, and he left. And I was like, where is Sean? And he left me and, anyway, me and my sister. That's not the whole story. We ended up partying all night with these people, and we ended up piling into their car, and we got back to our hotel. Anyway, that member of Congress was there, a female.

She's a friend of ours. And she said, let me tell you what I'm worried about, and I'd like to get your opinion on this. Her first name rhymes with hat. She's a fun friend. We had a great time last night. Her state might be the sunshine state. Yeah. All right, fine.

It's Kat Kamak. She's our friend. She said she was worried about... I love her, by the way. I do love her. She's so great. That girl is a fighter. And a great story.

That girl is a fighter. So Kat was saying one of her concerns, and Sean, I'm asking you because I asked somebody else if this was a possibility, and they weren't so sure, but Kat was very concerned. She said if we get, one thing she wasn't talking about, but I think, is if it looks like they're going to lose, like they can't, that this is going to be really hard to put together, you're going to have a hard time putting your best candidate forward. Like let's say it's an actual competition, that they can somehow sideline kamala and force her to compete with the others if this looks really like it's going to go to trump the best candidates are going to say i'm

going to sit this one out cool my skis and like go go for the next year that put that aside for a second let's say it's kamala okay they've you they moved joe biden out they've got kamala a lot of people have said there's some donor money concerns about you know why the money that's gone to joe needs to stay with kamala whatever i don't want to talk about that here's the concern that she had the money that's raised from here on if democrats think they can't win all of this money will go to these House and Senate races, the money that's raised, because their only hope to sort of control whatever Joe Biden wants to do, and he's already said he's got a ton of executive orders he wants to do on day one that Democrats are going to hate.

This could make it really hard for congressmen and women and senators to compete. Think about these razor, razor thin races, Sean, in battleground states. I'm going to give you my take. If a ton of money goes into those races, that would have actually gone to Joe Biden. So, first off, if you think you're going to lose, you have a problem in your party with Kamala Harris. As the VP, she has not fomented confidence. So you go, okay, we're going to lose that. Let's admit that.

Let's put her in, and let's lose this and be done with her. Right. Right. Let's move on to some other candidate and choices that we might have in 2028 and win the presidency back. And let's focus on the House and Senate. So I'm going to tell you this. History would dictate that if House races are gravely impacted by the top of the ticket, rarely would you see a Republican win and the House lose Republican seats, or a Democrat win and you lose Democrat

House seats. If the president of your party wins, you usually pick up House seats. That's the way the House works. It's hard to fight against the top of the ticket in a House race. But the Senate's very different. It's a whole state. And you can have senators run far ahead of the top of the ticket. It's a separate race from the House race. And by the way, I know this from running in Wisconsin, people are a lot more concerned about their senator than their house member. And so, again, money does matter. It really does. But if you're close, right, if you've raised $100 and someone else raises $150 with a lot of zeros on the end of those numbers, is $150, with a lot of zeros on the end of those numbers, that's not enough to win a race in a bad political environment, right? If you have enough, three times as much, if the Republican has $100 and the Democrats

have $300. They have a billion dollars, Sean, in their chest. And if they think that Kamala's going to lose, could they transfer a lot of that money over to the House races? No, so you will see the donors start to go, well, we're going to lose the White House. We have to preserve the Senate. We have to win the House. We can't let Republicans have complete control.

So our line of defense is going to be one of these chambers. And so, yeah, of course the money is going to come. You just don't think it's going to be enough to stave off this sort of historical precedence of whoever's at the top of the ticket takes. I don't know. She seemed really concerned about it. So I know someone who was talking to a couple of vendors. Were you telling the story? No.

A couple of vendors outside of the convention. Another woman who shall not be named. There's all these non-named people in this, but just trust us. These are real people. So when they, the rhyming game, this is such a bad game. But these, these were people who, if you look, there's, it's, it's, it's a, it's, it's a black and Hispanic women, right? Yeah. Who, in essence, were saying they're going to vote for Trump. And there's one reason, one reason only, and it's crime. If your streets aren't safe, you can't walk down the street. Your kids can't walk down the streets and go to school.

You can't go to the grocery store because your streets are unsafe. That's the primary concern. I can't care about anything else unless I feel secure and safe in my community and on my streets. And so they're like, Donald Trump's going to help keep me safe. I'm going to vote for Trump. It's not about tax policy.

It's not about Ukraine. It's not about the border, which the border plays into crime, no doubt. But it's about I'm not safe. And you're seeing that, I think, across all of these communities. I think it's one of the biggest issues, Sean, out there. And it's a big issue for those who are trapped in communities and areas. Because like we said before, if you're rich, you can get security.

This is what happens in Latin America. You've got to gate around your community. You've got to gate around your community. This is so Latin America. If you live in Latin America, it's unsafe except in the rich areas where those people have private security. So one of our producers went to thank. So we're here in the Fox area here at a side building next to the convention. And we have food service here.

Far cry from the kitchen table at home. Yeah, we're far from the kitchen table. Anyway, we have food here. And one of our producers went to thank the kitchen anyway we have you know food here that um and and one of our producers went to thank the servers who are bringing out the food and she said it was a hispanic woman with a very thick accent a very recent immigrant and an african-american woman who were doing this and she went up to them and said thank you so much for you know the food it's been great you guys have been awesome um she said what do you guys think about all this? And they're like, I don't know. She's like, who are you going to vote for? And both of them said Trump.

And she said, why? And the Hispanic woman said, crime. I can't walk around in my neighborhood. The African-American woman said the same thing. Yesterday, Sean, I took an Uber with my sister to an event. The girl in the car who was driving, African-American as well, her license plate said Florida. So I said, did you drive down from Florida just to have extra business here at the convention? She goes, no, unfortunately, I live here in Milwaukee. What? Unfortunately, this is the best spot in the world. Well, that's what she said. And I said, why do you say unfortunately? And she said, because I can't walk around around here. Crime is so bad in Milwaukee. And I said, who do you have to who do you want to who's to blame for that? And she looked outside the window and there was a group of young men there. And she said,

I blame their parents. She said, I blame their parents. That's what she said. She said, I blame their parents. But then I got into a conversation with her, and I said, actually, it's your DA. Your DA was funded by George Soros and the Democrats, and he's not putting people in jail, and that's why. So anyway, I think you're right about crime. It's a huge issue. It is a crossover issue. It is going to make a difference in this election. And Donald Trump has driven a truck through that issue during this convention.

This is my hope for this election, not this convention, is that I hope that Democrats get throttled. And I say that because I believe in a two-party system. I believe the parties keep each other in check. And I don't want one-party system. I believe the parties keep each other in check. And I don't want one-party rule. I don't. I love the conservative viewpoint. I love what Trump has done to the party. But I want two parties.

But the Democrat Party has gotten so crazy with their open borders and with their soft-on crime and with their spending. crime and with their spending, I'm really concerned about the spending, if they get throttled in this election, they're going to have to go back and rethink their policy positions. And they might moderate. They might go back to the party of Bill Clinton. They might even go to the messaging, not the presidency of Barack Obama,

but the messaging around what Barack Obama said, which was not nearly as crazy as where they've come today. You think that this could be that reckoning that finally brings it back? I hope so. Remember back in 2006, you and I lived in a liberal town up in northern Wisconsin. And you were the DA of that town. I was. I don't know how you got elected in that liberal, hippie town. I'm going to tell you. No one ran against me.

Yeah. Or I wouldn't have won. If I had a Democrat challenger, I would have lost. It was not liberal. But back in 2006. I did that good of a job. Yeah. Well, you had a 95, 98% win rate as a prosecutor.

You were a good prosecutor. Thank you. Took tough cases. But when we lived in that little liberal town, we used to have this thing where we would say because there were a lot of hippies that you know left this there was an environmental college in the town there were a lot of blue-collar democrats and their environmentalists and i think that we used to say the only good thing about that town was the farmer's market right and i used to say to you the only good thing about these hippies is they bring us a fabulous farmer's market.

But now that you're a farmer and conservatives are farming and going back to nature, and I don't know, Sean, do we really need them anymore? Do you really want that two-party rule? Do we need them? Listen, one-party rule is never a good thing for any society. It's true. You always need checks and balances. A little pushback. So, again, we're excited about being at this convention.

Excited. This drops. We're going to be inside the convention. We'll do this a little early before we drop, but we're going to be inside watching the speeches, watching the excitement, feeling the energy of this night, which is going to be historic. And we're going to come back tomorrow on Q&A. If you have some questions for us. Oh, yeah, that'd be great.

Send us. Go to my Twitter if you have questions. Do not go to mine. Don't go to my social media. Go to Rachel's social media. Go to my social media and direct message me and send me your questions about what's going on here. A lot of great events.

We're running into lots of people. We are. Getting lots of feedback. And speaking of running into people. And I'm loving all the grumpy, never-Trumpers that I see. I think that's a good sign of a healthy party. I have to run because I have to go do a hit, but I want to thank you all for joining us on our podcast. Send us those questions. If you like the podcast, please rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. Find us at foxnewspodcast.com. This is a really quick ending. I'm sorry about that, but I do have to run. It's okay. You've got to go to Harris.

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