From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Could TikTok Help Former President Trump Win?

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Sean and Rachel are back with their daughter, managing producer for 'The Dan Bongino Show,' Evita Duffy-Alfonso, to analyze an important question: what's worse, a company run by China that doesn't seem to censor political content, or Meta platforms that seem to have a tight hold on what users see or don't see?Today, the Duffys share their thoughts on this question, the pros and cons of prominent social media platforms, and how former President Trump is taking TikTok by storm -- with his first video receiving over 124 million views in less than two weeks.   Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and today we have with us a special guest our daughter evita good to be Sean, it's great to be back at the kitchen table. And today we have with us a special guest, our daughter, Evita. Good to be here, guys. It's been a long time. We've seen each other, but it's been a long time with the podcast. You kind of have your own thing going on right now. Yeah, lots of lots of exciting stuff to come. No doubt. For those who don't know, Evita is, I don't know, some people call you Dan Bongino's protege. I think I actually heard Dan call you his protege. So you work with Dan Bongino. You fill in for him. You're starting up your own show as well under his umbrella.

We're super proud of what you're doing. But we're mostly happy that you're still willing to make time for your mom and dad every now and then to do our show. Of course. I'm also writing for Bongino.com, so I'm still contributing at the Federalist, but if you want to see what I'm writing, you go to Bongino.com. I'm writing every single day there. I love that. Great. So you still find her at the Federalist. Molly Hemingway is still kind of your boss in a small way. She's still, Molly Hemingway is still kind of your boss. And in a small way, always your mentor, but everyone at Fox loves Molly. She's just incredible. But now

you've added Dan Bongino as another person that you work for and work with. And so we're proud of you. We're proud of you get to work with such great people. And again, happy that you're making time for us. And I'm glad that you could make time for us today in particular, because you sent me an article this week. And I loved it. Because again, we've had this debate here, you and I and dad over TikTok. And Evita, you've been making the case for a while. Hey, I'm've had more censorship from Instagram and Facebook than TikTok. I've had that experience since I've talked to you. I've made the decision that I want to go on to TikTok because I want to get my message out. And I'm totally, absolutely, and Sean can attest to this. We are being, we are being, I don't know, throttled, we are being i don't know throttled um algorithmically speaking at instagram um and facebook are are any content we put forward that's even you know slightly politically um uh related is is just suppressed and it's not getting out there and gets zero engagement which we know is

done through the algorithm so i'm gonna i want you to comment on that. I'm going to bring this article in because it's actually changing. TikTok is changing politics for the betterment of the right in Europe. Donald Trump just joined TikTok, I think, a week and a half or two ago. He put out his first TikTok video, and it had 6 million views. So all this, like, anti-Ttiktok i get there's problems with tiktok but maybe tiktok might be good for um conservatives for those on the right evita yeah so just for the numbers here donald trump had his first tiktok video really recently he on the first video got a hundred and twenty four point nine million views on that one video

it was six million oh my god that's way off say that number again say it again a hundred and twenty four point nine million that's an insane number so i must have been one of the first people to look at his video i thought it was six it was six million when I saw it. I had no idea it went that far. Oh, my God. It's gone mega viral, for sure. And so I want to bring dad in here in a second, because I know that we've debated whether TikTok should be allowed in America or maybe in the West in general. But this video that mom is referencing, or I'm sorry, this article mom is referencing or i'm sorry this article mom is referencing is in unheard um which is a a website that you know doesn't just cover american politics but also you know what's happening in europe and it says the radical right is winning on tiktok and it talked about how the right really was uh you know had a strong force on on tiktok and it's part of why they believe France did the right wing in France did

so well in these recent elections. And the same goes for for the UK. And so I think that this is very true, right on social media in general, but part of TikTok in particular is driving a youth right wing movement, and actually a populist right-wing movement in the West in general. And this is something that I think it touched on in this piece that's really is mirrored here in the United States as well, is that young people just want to change. They just want something to be different, right? This is a generation that has been impacted really heavily by, you know, terrorism, war in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know, I'm somebody who was born right as the 9-11 attacks happened, right? I was like one year old when it happened. Then

you have the 08 recession. And so we've never really experienced the golden age of America in the way that our parents and grandparents have and the American dream that we're supposed to be. So, well, four years of Trump, Evita, we're pretty good and showing a lot of promise. Right. And but I think we've seen a real reversion. Right. I mean, what happened during COVID was unprecedented. Bidenomics is failing in a really, you know, just destructive way. So young people want to change. And this is a CNN poll. Sixty five percent of voters under the age of 30 say they want a candidate to bring major change to the U.S. And actually, they associate that major change

with Trump, not Biden, which is interesting because they're not all going to vote for him. But they want something to be different. And TikTok is encapsulating this fervor, I think, that we're seeing with young people. let's take a step back because and i'm going to come back to a little bit of revision of the position that i took in the debate we had probably a couple months ago vita hold on hold on hold on i'm guilty of that too stand. Stand down. I'm still dad. Dad still rolls the roost or so he thinks he does. So I want to go back to this article because, again, you have liberal writers talking about right wing extremism. People who are opposed to globalism, people who are opposed to mass immigration, people who are angry about the green the green push the environmental push that's

lowering their standards of living and they and again what they're really talking about is not right wing this is traditional principles that put your people in your country first if you want to call that right wing so be it but it's not it's not radical. They call those people Nazis. It's worse in Europe than it is in here. Because, again, of course, it goes back to their history. Right. So but but again, these are people who want their government to look out for them and what's in their best interest in going green, mass immigration, giving up your your sovereignty and your individual rights for some globalist movement isn't sitting well with a lot of Europeans. And we saw in the elections over the weekend in Europe for the EU, a lot of conservatives across Europe won in those races, right? And the liberal commentators, I think, are expressing concern about TikTok for a couple reasons.

commentators, I think, are expressing concern about TikTok for a couple of reasons. Well, pre-internet, if you control newspapers and television, you control the message. And they did have that control. And maybe it was in partnership, at least in the US with the US government, many of our big media institutions. But with the rise of the internet and social media platforms, people had the ability to break outside of the gatekeepers in the mainstream media and have conversations and build communities and people that share the same thoughts outside of those media controls and government controls. And we saw after Donald Trump was elected in 2016 that liberals had to rethink the guardrails they put on people and their ability to freely communicate. And we saw that with Twitter and Facebook specifically on shutting down conversations, algorithms that suppress conservative thought and conservative viewpoints because they couldn't let a person like Donald Trump win again. They also did it around COVID as well. They did. They did it first with Donald Trump. And once the big government got involved there, they're like, oh, we can control lots of things,

including this COVID, including questions about election integrity and what's happening at the ballot box. You saw big tech and big government get in bed to shut down Republicans. To censor. And so I think it brings us to this point. By the way, we saw all of this. We thought it was happening. We felt like it was happening. But with the Twitter files, Elon Musk releasing a lot of the information in the correspondence between Twitter

and the U.S. Twitter and the US government, the intel agencies, the Joe Biden administration, and even under the Donald Trump administration with COVID, the communication that happened to censor speech platforms and their agreement to actually do it. And so here we sit, and I'm going to go back to something that you said, Rachel, which was we've seen on our Facebook accounts, we could post a video and we would get 20, 80,000, 150,000 views on a video posted on Facebook. John and I, right? That's right. That's right. And now we might get 600,

800, you wouldn't even break a thousand people who might see a video that we post because no doubt we are being throttled as to use your term, Rachel, or we're being censored on Facebook. And so I do believe that people have the freedom and the right to be able to communicate with people of like mind, or even actually engage in a debate with people who are of a different mindset. I think that's really good for democracy. And so it comes to the point of TikTok, Evita. And again, in this article that you referenced, the liberal author is commenting on how conservatives are using TikTok really well. It's not just the words, it's the imagery that goes along with the video and the words that animates voters and brings them to the conservative movement. And as I've come, again, I have grave concern that TikTok is owned by China.

And the algorithm may work today, but it may not work tomorrow because, again, it's controlled by the CCP. Even though it's a private company, they don't have private rights in China. They all play to the communist drum. They all march to the communist drum. And so I do have that concern. But I'm going to soften my position because on TikTok, if you're able to get your view out, right, and TikTok continues to expand and grow and get more users, I hope that market principles still exist and Facebook is a publicly traded company. I hope that there's pressure then on Facebook to go,

maybe we should stop censoring people. Maybe, so I guess my point is we have to go to TikTok to hopefully get an American platform that's going to embrace free speech like the communist platform embraces, at least for conservatives. And so I guess, Rachel, you said you're going to go to TikTok. I'm not, I'm not so certain I'm going to go there. I'm going to keep thinking about it. I'm not there yet. Cause again, I hate the the commies but i do like to be able to get my message out especially to people of like mind so that's my long long way too long rendition of kind of how i see this thing i'm glad you did that because i think you laid it out really well i want to get evita in in here but again what what's interesting is this article is not written, the article in,

what's it called again? Unheard. Unheard. That's right. Thank you. The article in Unheard is not a right-wing rag. In fact, they call the conservatives, as is often the case in Europe, you know, radicals. It's not uncommon that a political party, which is pretty much like actually to the left of the Republican Party, Vox in Spain, is, you know, it's conservative, but it's even less conservative than the Republican Party in terms of its platform. It's not unusual that they're called neo-Nazis. So the right has been even more suppressed in Europe. So TikTok has been this amazing outlet where they can present themselves as themselves without going through the gatekeepers, without having, you know,

the left-wing media and all the other forces color them for them, you know, for other people or present them in through their own lens, they're able to present themselves themselves and put out what they want people to see. And when people see who they are, young people in particular, who, as Evita, you pointed out really well, are very disillusioned, are having even harder economic times than we're having here in the United States, are facing more restrictions on their freedom of speech, of movement, in terms of all the green energy policies that are restricting them and preventing them from growing.

All of that stuff is even worse in Europe. And immigration is even worse than what we're seeing here in the United States, or illegal immigration. And so all of these things are driving young people to grow the right the right party. So that's that's where they're at right there. We'll be right back with much more after this. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back.

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media companies that is not just a former, you know, US deep staters, but also from globalist organizations like NATO and the UN who leave those organizations and then become content moderators on American platforms. Now they're moving over to tick. But as you said, that actually TikTok is is CCP run in many ways. And while that's a threat, it actually is an advantage in some ways, because different content is getting censored, because they have different goals, maybe bad, maybe bad. But I think in in the in in the view of free speech, it's a positive thing, because content that's not able to flourish on on the vast majority of platforms run by american companies is able to flourish on tiktok and what this comes down to it's not it's bigger than biden it's bigger than you know american

government and this is why this important this story and unheard is so important is this is about global governance globalist powers right right? This is the reason the internet used to be very free, right? Where we look at like, Twitter and Facebook and YouTube and Google before, before, you know, Brexit and Trump, there was really hardly any censors unless it was, you know, violence, right? Like extreme violence. Suddenly, we saw a populist movement up come up in the uk with with with brexit and then in the united states with trump and the globalists around the west freaked out and they said we can't have this anymore and they started to censor information create these terms like dis and misinformation and media literacy and we saw this crackdown and we saw

a crackdown even more during COVID. And then in 2021, when Trump got kicked off of all these platforms, right, this is not this is about global governance, having control over our thoughts and our actions. And TikTok, because it doesn't have it's not beholden to the same sensors is immune to some of that, which is a very positive thing. And I want to bring up one story to you guys that you probably haven't heard of. This is from Mike Benz's website, the Foundation for Freedom Online. The DHS has just funded in 2022, but now we know about it, a kids video game where the superhero and this is supposed to be for public schools in Washington state, but eventually

across the country, the superheroes in this video game for public schools is the government and they're fighting disinformation. Right. It's insane. This is about literally controlling our minds so that we don't, that people in America don't elect people who care about America and people in France don't, you know, elect people who actually care about France. This is what it's about. Yeah. Sean, you thought we had just gender theory and queer theory to worry about now um and and c and crt but now we have the government actually getting involved at a level that's i mean this is just so un-american there's there's something really and we've seen this with twitter rachel um since el since Elon Musk is about Twitter.

And by the way, we all will admit Twitter is not perfect either, right? Elon Musk is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than it used to be. And what you see is the power of people sharing stories. And it's not disinformation. It's real information about what's happening in the country. information about what's happening in the country, to your point, this story you just brought up about the government as a superhero, Evita, those stories would have been banned previously on Twitter and probably banned on Facebook, but that you can share them. What happens is people want to hold their government to account because they still believe the government is theirs.

And if you don't know these stories, these things are taking place because you don't see the story, well, no one pushes back against a radicalized government. But if you can share it, if you can, but by the way, even when we're at home, sometimes Rachel, you and I'll talk and we'll have a certain viewpoint and thoughts about what's happening. There's something powerful to see other people that share the same point of view. It's the, I'm not crazy. Actually, I got a whole bunch of people out here who agree with me. You know, open borders is nuts. People are coming into our country in the, to the tune of millions. We can't vet. Like you start sharing those ideas and what happens is it mushrooms out, and the left loses control again. And again, why the freedom to communicate is so powerful, and why these little commie Marxist Americans want to shut it down because they want to have ultimate control.

Yeah, I think you can't underestimate, Sean, what you just said, which is the power of knowing that you're not alone, that you're not crazy And that's why some of these Trump rallies have been so important It's like they try to present Trump people as anyone who is MAGA, is a white supremacist Is a bad person, is crazy, is a hick, is stupid And then you see these rallies, and you see the rallies just grow and grow and grow. And guess what? Even the one, you know, some of them are very diverse. Think about the one we just saw in the South Bronx, you know, mostly Hispanic and black, you know. So that's a very dangerous thing for for that message to get out or to see people who are, you know,

black or brown talking about illegal immigration and how it's hurting their neighborhood or how it's hurting the social services in their area. So there's definitely something about just trying to make sure you feel isolated. And I think, Evita, you and I have talked about this a lot. That's what a lot of COVID was about. A lot of the social distancing, obviously massive amounts of censorship around, you know, whether it was treatments for it or or, you know, different ideas about how to deal with it or where it came from. So much of it was about not just censoring it, but making you feel like you were isolated if you had any dissenting point of view. We were living in George Orwell's 1984 during COVID.

I look back on it and I'm actually, I feel almost shocked by what we went through. Like at the time it was happening and because it was in real time, I don't think I was always able to register how unprecedented things were because it was just happening so fast. And plus you were young. And plus you were young. I mean, it felt even more unprecedented, I think, for older people. But go ahead. Well, and now we're able to sort of admit some of the craziness, right, and talk about

Anthony Fauci said, you know, he made up all of these rules about lockdowns and masking kids in schools. And there's no science behind it. It's not the science. In fact, Fauci said during that famous it it's not the science in fact gotcha said during that famous interview i am the science right and it has nothing to do with studies but just what he says as sort of a almost a dictator and when the rest of us have to follow suit but the censorship hasn't stopped and that's what's really crazy to me mom is that they're so emboldened to continue

censoring people when it comes to covid. Yet last week, I posted a piece in Bongino.com reporting on how a researchers in the Netherlands did a study finding that COVID deaths may be the partial cause of the unprecedented excess excess. I'm sorry, the COVID vaccines may be the partial cause of the unprecedented excess excess deaths that we're seeing in the West. And no one's talking about, by the way. You're only seeing if you're on Twitter or X. And that was posted on Dan's Facebook page. And it was flagged as false information by independent fact checkers.

Mind you, these aren't scientists. These aren't saying this article has no basis in fact. I'm not making my opinion about anything. I just reported on what the researchers in the Netherlands found. And so this was on Fontino dot com Evita. So it was on it was posted on Montino dot com. And when Dan shared it on his Facebook page, it was flagged as false. And it was flagged by Facebook by Mark Zuckerberg.

No, but in the year 2020 by users. Are the users flagged this as misinformation or disinformation? No, no, no. False information checked by independent fact checkers. If you have to get censored so you can't even see the post, I have to click see why. Then I have to see that

it's false information. And then I have to click I want to see the post even though now I know that it's false. You've done some writing and research into who these independent fact checkers are, right? Yeah, I mean, this is this is actually an industry, these fact checkers. I mean, this is you're looking at, you know, PolitiFact and NewsGuard. There's a whole industry around fact checking. So being hired by social media companies to come in and do the work of censoring information and then also advising advertisement agencies to say this Web site has false information on it.

You probably don't want to be advertising with them. And it's a way to not just suppress information, but to destroy outlets that are promoting this information that they deem to be untrue. And of course, it comes down to who is the arbiter of truth, right? The federal government wants us to believe that it is supposed to be the arbiter of truth. Meanwhile, our Constitution says that we have a right to free speech, which insinuates that the government has no place in telling us what is and isn't true, if we're allowed to say whatever we think. And of course, that's not what's happening right now.

There's also think tanks out there that are funding this sort of thing. Do you guys remember back in 2021? But they're all government funded. Some of them are government funded. Because Aspen, I don't know who funds Aspen. Aspen, I don't know who funds Aspen. I do know the Aspen Institute, which is supposed to be where all the smart people go to hang out, you know, once a year and gather billionaires. Remember, they hired Prince Harry as one of his first, like, post-royal gigs.

He was basically a disinformation czar. Huh? He called the First Amendment bonkers. That's the quote. He called the First Amendment bonkers. And then the Aspen Institute hired him to basically be the head of their disinformation board. So he was like, the disinformations are. This was something elites were absolutely hell-bent on doing, which was promoting this idea of disinformation, which basically meant suppressing any dissenting point of views that did not benefit them. A hundred percent right, Evita. And it brings us back to the conversation on TikTok,

which again, when you can actually get around the disinformation czars, the purveyors of truth on social media, on a platform that will allow you to freely speak and again these are commies that are allowing you to freely speak on their platform and there's a there's a purpose behind it and i can't imagine it's good for america but but mark but mark zuckerberg is bringing us to this point but i want to bring up something a different but sean that's a great point is mark zuckerberg a bigger threat to American freedom and liberty than the Chinese government at this at this moment? Because at this moment, Mark Zuckerberg is trying to suppress information that might benefit Donald Trump, who I think will ultimately

take on the liberate information liberate information and free speech. I think what's happened is Mark Zuckerberg realized that on social media, there's so much discontent with Joe Biden and a lot of pro-Trump content. What he decided to do is say, I'm going to take all politics off my platform because he knows it'll help Donald Trump. I'll take the pro-Biden stuff and the massive amount of pro-Trump stuff off. Trump. I'll take the pro Biden stuff and the massive amount of pro Trump stuff off. So he looks like he's he's he's being equal in his censorship, but he's not. I want to bring up something else. So if you look at that's a great point. He's taking both down. I want to go back to Europe. But the stuff is very negative on Joe Biden. So it's actually helping Joe Biden. I want to take a European vacation and then come back to the U.S. So again, you have

conservatives winning, you have conservatives using TikTok and again, electing representatives to the EU. We're going to see if in their country's elections in France, it's coming up at the end of June, a snap election. What happens there? Do the EU elections in France translate to the country elections in France at the end of the month? But the youth movement's really important. And again, you have people who saw the way their parents lived, saw the way their grandparents lived, and they see they don't have the same wealth, the same opportunities, the same resources, and they're angry about it. They're also angry about losing their culture because they're very angry about illegal immigration

sort of taking over and sort of the idea of Frenchness. The EU is part of this also, Sean. Of course they are. The whole idea of the EU, which sort of dissolves, or I should say, what's the word? It sort of lessens your national identity in many ways. You're a globalist, right? You're not French. You're a globalist and massive amounts of illegal immigration, especially from the Middle East, is causing a lot of sort of cultural angst as well as the economic angst. And so the problem in Europe is with the history of the Nazi party.

And again, it was, I imagine, a Germany first platform. They were nationalists, if you will. Whenever you come back to nationalism and putting your people first, there's this correlation with Nazi Germany. And it's really unfair that's completely unfair right nazi germany was something far different than a group of people who go our government should look out for us not for the rest of the world not for our neighbors not for them not for opening up our borders to allow migrants in so it's really disingenuous but a really powerful tool in europe just like racism is here that's right 100. A hundred percent. That's right. Their continental sin was Nazism. And so if you can throw out Nazism, it's a winner. Normal people who don't want problems scared of joining the Vox party or

joining, you know, Marie Le Pen's party. But after a while, just like with the racism charge here, which was extended to everybody. Everyone's a racist, right? Everyone's a racist. And Donald Trump was like, go ahead, call me racist. And sort of that the ability to use that as a cudgel, as a weapon against people has definitely dissipated. By the way, they also have tried insurrectionists. You're an insurrectionist. They really tried to make that a thing. Remember, they were calling any blonde woman who was pro MAGA, pro Trump, a Barbie insurrectionist. That was one of the online trolls that would scare some girls from, you know, posting things that were, you know, conservative or in favor of Donald Trump. So they have used these kinds of name calling to suppress people

and their points of view a lot. And I think it's losing its power. It is losing its power. And what I would say is that, again, to give kudos to the globalists, global movements are happening now, right? We saw after Trump won, we saw other conservative leaders win around the world. And the question becomes, one, you see this youth movement happening in Europe that have brought the conservatives to electoral victory. The question becomes, is this a sign for what's going to happen in the United States in November? Is Donald Trump going to win? And what happened in Europe, a foreshadowing of that victory? That's one question to you all. And the second one is to Evita's earlier point, the youth vote under 30 vote, Donald Trump is winning. Right. And that's

yeah, it may not be because it may not be because they love Donald Trump. It may be because is that true? I don't think so. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And the Fox News polling. That's yeah. But now it might be because voter the Democrat voters aren't moving over to donald trump it's just that they're leaving joe biden and they're going to stay home or they're going to go to rfk jr which then allows the donald trump youth vote uh to to rise because the joe biden voter youth voter is not there but donald trump is winning the youth vote and so uh this is, this is historic and can change the lines of political alignment in a country when you have, if young people, again, if you get some of them going, you know what, I'm not a communist, you know, cause, cause again, what you see historically is

each generation seems to get more liberal than the generation before them. This is the first time we're seeing a trend back to conservatism but you know back to you know the ideas that made their parents wealthy and strong uh these these young people want to go want to go back to that as opposed to you know advancing down the path towards communism maybe maybe it's like they just yeah i mean they just want a better life they just want the american dream back if you back. They want to be able to buy a house. That's what they want. I know. Ladies.

Like they thought that like Gaza was the big issue with young people. Like, yeah, Gaza and genocide and all those issues do get people emotional on TikTok. But when you pull young people, the real issue, Evita, is they want to buy a house. This is a contract that we have here as a society that, you know, you could go to school, you could work hard and you could buy a home. And that's not even attainable anymore. I'm curious your thoughts. How much of this is economic, but how much also back to our original topic, Evita, how much of this has to do with TikTok and social media and sort of the ability for young people to express these ideas and what's happening and connect on sort of their grievances, if you will. Evita, you can answer that in one second. I just have to tell you, both the ladies in my life,

it's been a pleasure joining you for this podcast for the first 45 minutes, 40 minutes, 35 minutes. But dad has to now go do the bottom line and go prep. So if you don't watch it, it's at six to seven every night, Eastern time with Dagan and Duffy, the bottom line Fox business, check it out. You guys forge on in the, in the, in the pursuit of truth. See you both later. Bye. We'll have more of this conversation after this. If you didn't answer that question that we just posed. Yeah, so I think with young people, they're obviously very animated about what's happening in Gaza. But I've been saying for a month now that I don't believe they're really animated by what's happening in the Middle East.

If you ask them, they can't tell you where Gaza is on a map. They don't even know what their demands are. If they go to a university and get interviewed about it, this is why the organizers of many of these events have said nobody answer questions because you're answering them so poorly. You have to always send them to specific media people. Most of the time that doesn't happen in a protest, but they're doing it here because the people that are protesting don't know what this is about. And the reason that they're so mad, right, is the same reason I believe that they were tearing down statues and burning things down in 2020. You have, and this goes back to 65% of young people, want a major change in this country. They feel like the system is broken.

They feel like the American dream isn't working for them. They can't afford their groceries. They can't afford their rent, let alone buy a home. And they are disillusioned. And unfortunately, what is happening is they're turning to more radical leftism. Joe Biden isn't left enough for them. And that's why they're angry with him. They're embracing Marxism and they're blaming the system on capitalism. The problem is that that's what the left is doing. The problem is that that's what the left is doing. I'm seeing, Sean, I mean, some rumblings of young men in particular, young black men and even some young women who are saying the stuff that they told me about Republicans and conservatives or even just Trump. I don't think the Republican Party brand is strong. I think the Trump brand is strong. I think the Make America Great brand has proven to be durable. And as they get more information and they're seeing more of the lies exposed on X, on TikTok, on other social media

platforms, they're opening their eyes and ears to new ways of thinking about things. I think that there are still some young, the activist set is going left of Biden. But there's a lot of sort of normies out there, in my view, who are saying, I just want to have a life. And if these guys say they can offer it, and I did see four years of prosperity you know on the rise you know by the way the greatest economy we've ever had in our lifetime under donald trump and he promises he can do it again and take this mess maybe they're turning i'm seeing young people are you seeing that avida yes so i i do believe that most young people are very radically left wing.

I'm not, I'm not, I don't believe that it's mostly populist Trump supporters. I believe most of them are radically left wing. What I believe is that you have radicals on both ends of the spectrum. Everybody's like, we're going to go for Trump and populism and, you know, the right, the excitable right, not the neocons, the the the mcconnells of the party and then you see the radical left joe biden isn't far left enough for us we want bernie we want aoc so you're seeing the two extremes i believe more of them are left-wing extreme but i believe there's a growing right-wing extreme movement on the right and when i say that i don't mean it pejoratively

obviously because we're labeled extreme by the people who are just milquetoast and frankly, just liberals who are pretending to be Republicans. It's what we're dealing with. So they're embracing Trumpism, they're embracing populism. But they're also, it's not just economic, mom. And this is what's so interesting to me. It's also social. We've been told that young people are, some of them are, if they're going to be conservative, they're fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That is increasingly not true. This is from the Public Religion Institute, Public Religion Research Institute.

From 2021 to 2023, the share of Gen Z that said there are only two genders increased by 14 points, far outpacing the rightward shift in every other generation. And it's not just gender ideology this is a different study found that from 2021 and 2023 gen z support of gay marriage dropped by double digits even as support for gay marriage increased in every other generation so we are how are you explaining that because i don't't think the culture has never been less religious, more amoral. I'm actually pretty shocked by those numbers. And I believe that because Gen Z has seen the worst of it, right? We know what the fruits of leftism is and we know how cancer it is. Some of us have friends who have seen their bodies get irrevocably damaged by the trans cult. You see your friends who are depressed and addicted to pornography and don't have their lives put together and aren't functioning human

beings. And you say, you know what, I have to do the opposite of whatever this is. Because I think a lot of the older generations, right, we still have a lot of normal people, and your friends are normal. You're not up close and dirty, what leftism really, really looks like. And young people have seen it. And so the young people who are rejecting it, they're rejecting it wholesale. And it's going toward a very religious right wing. And when we talked about we talked about what's what's happening in in the EU, and how in France and in Spain, the right did really well in these recent elections. In Spain, they actually Sanchez, the Prime Minister, banned the socialist, who's a socialist, who's a Sanchez, the prime minister, banned... Who's a socialist.

Who's a socialist, who's a globalist, who does not care about Spanish policies at all. He's totally captured by the global left. He banned praying the rosary in Madrid during the two days for the election. And he's cracked down on public prayer multiple times in his tenure and actually has jailed people, arrested and jailed them publicly praying. And there's a video shared by Catholic Arena of young Catholics. Most of them are young. They look like Gen Zers, defying Sanchez and praying the rosary in Madrid, despite those rulings. The conservative, traditional Christian movement is not being carried by the boomers. It's not being carried by the Gen Xers.

It's the Gen Zers who have seen the fruits of leftism and are rejecting it wholesale and going radically to the right. And by that, I mean embracing authentic, traditional Christianity. And it's not, it doesn't surprise me at all. We actually had this conversation of you on Fox and Friends last weekend. It was really interesting. Russell Brand made some news on some, you know, unrelated stuff, but then deep inside that interview, and I pulled it out, and I wish I had it in front of me, but he essentially said, look, people are turning towards Christianity. And if you're surprised by that,

you're not paying attention. Because as all our trust in all these institutions has begun to crumble, government, public health, you know, the intelligence agencies which are supposed to protect us from foreign terrorists are now suddenly turned on the American citizens. And then all the COVID lies, which I think is really where someone like Russell Brand really saw himself. That was his awakening was during this whole COVID psyop that we went through, as you talked about. It just was so unprecedented. And people people some people were really shocked by that and it's led him i've been following him and i've been following his

journey and and now he's praying the rosary and if you want if you don't believe that this is like you know and the most amazing moment here's our your grandmother my mother very very conservative catholic woman who told me the other day, I'm praying the rosary online with Russell Brand. Did she really say that? That's awesome. I'm like, I didn't even know my mom knew who Russell Brand was, but she's praying the rosary with Russell Brand. And like, so he's had a conversion of sorts. I don't know if he's fully Catholic. I know he's, you know, dabbles in all kinds of spirituality, but it seems like his journey is a Catholic one. You

see other people, you know, there's famously, everyone thinks Candace Owens is now Catholic. There's a few others, but put aside these sort of celebrity types or influencer types. these sort of celebrity types or influencer types, there is a movement. We've been covering revivals, Evita, on Fox and Friends since last year on campuses, mass baptisms in California of young people. These aren't old people. These are all college kids who I think social media and the sort of emptiness of these fake online relationships, dating apps and all of the stuff are just they want something real. They want something meaningful, deep, long lasting, existential, something that, you know, has, you know, is about the essence of what it means to be a human. is about the essence of what it means to be a human. And in light of AI and transhumanism, and again, all of these really false, fake connections that big tech has offered,

combined, I think, with all the distrust in all these other institutions, people are turning to God. It's sort of like you realize that's all left. And even for Christians like us, Evita, who, you know, we're in the faith, the crazier, and I'm in the news cycle, as are you all day long, the crazier and more shocking everything is, you know, from the justice system and, you know, the way Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are treated for selling out our country versus, you know, Donald Trump for an accounting error from nine years ago or whatever.

I mean, you look at all this and you're like, you can't understand. This doesn't even seem like America. And when all of that happens, all I think about is I just want to bring my family closer. I just want, you know, this to be only about, you know, I just feel like it's synthesizing things down to God and family, because even in country, I'm starting to lose faith in that, you know, and it's definitely third on my list. You know, my, my, it's first God and family and then my country. And so I don't know, I think this moment is really fascinating. Yeah, I agree with, you know, you had John Daniel Davidson on your show a while ago,

and he wrote a book called Pagan America. And he said, paganism is replacing the Christian foundation of our country, we are no longer going to be a Christian nation, which is what we were founded to be by the founding fathers who said our system is not set up for any people other than a moral peoples, right? People, but we are, so I don't think that we're going to, we're experiencing a great awakening.

I'm not giving you these stats to say that this is, we're going to have a Christian revival in America. That's not what I'm saying. I actually think that we are, we are heading into a very, we're in a post Christian America. Don's not what I'm saying. I actually think that we are heading into a very pagan... Well, I think we're in a post-Christian America, don't get me wrong. But I think it's precisely that we are in this pagan post-Christian era, that it is out of those ashes that you see these movements rising, right? I think it's always the case that things have to get really bad before you start to see these little shoots and leaves growing out of the soil.

And I think we're starting to see them now where it will take us. I don't know. You know, I was talking to your your grandmother. Yeah. Today we were sitting having some coffee and talking about just what will the next eight months be? You know, what will happen in this election? You know, our assessment was if Donald Trump wins, there's going to be trouble. If Donald Trump doesn't win, there's going to be trouble. You know, it's like this is like such an incredible time that we're living in right now. And I don't say this lightly.

I think, you know, since the Civil War, we've never been closer to Civil War. And I'm not, of course, I'm hoping that doesn't happen. But I've never seen this kind of divide in our country. I've never seen, I never imagined, you know, that our government and the people who are running it could be so disaligned, unaligned with the good of the people. I don't trust our government. I don't

trust our elites. And I know I'm not the only one. I know that there's just a lot of crazy stuff happening. And so for me, I'm just like, how do I fortify myself for whatever is to come, hoping that nothing happens, hoping that nothing bad happens. But it's looking more and more likely like a storm is forming here. And November is going to be a very, very, very momentous time for us. And so how do I fortify myself? And all I can think about is wanting to gather my chickens in, my kids, my family, wanting to make sure that our bonds and our connections are strong, wanting to make sure our faith is solid. And because I don't know what's going to happen.

And that's all you got when you have these kinds of very uncertain times. They're definitely very uncertain. I maintain that I think we're going into a like a new you know pagan era a new dark age and i do believe what i was trying to say before was that as you get faced with this uncertainty and with things like transhumanism and uh and atheism and cultural Marxism, you either join them or go as far as you can in the opposite direction. There's no room to be a lukewarm Christian anymore. It's really not possible. You have to fortify yourself spiritually, as well, physically, right, for what's to come. And if you don't do that, you are, you're, you're, you're going to, you know, end up being captured. Yeah, captured or swallowed up by whatever is, is to come. Yes.

It's not just, you know, like, we're a fervent, you know, Christian community, and I'm going to go to church on Sunday. And yes, that's important. But something else that I'm also seeing is that people are starving for displays of their Christian faith. I mean, John, who I mentioned before, has actually said that there are some Protestants who are doing processions on feast days, which is a Catholic tradition that Protestants never used to do. And suddenly they're bringing them back because we can't just rescind into the background because we're going to be just taken over and bullied into silence,

right? That's what this entire idea of separation of church versus state, right, which was never the intention of the founding fathers was meant to do. We were always meant to have public dismay as Christianity and also to show our Christian faith via beauty. There's a desire for authentic beauty in our architecture that we have been, you know, deprived of for a really long time now, for decades now. Every new building that comes up is in this modernist style that is literally tearing your soul apart. Fluorescent lighting and cubicles and, you know, postmodern buildings that are supposed to be artful, but really are just soul crushing.

So there's a there is a sound to there's a movement to counter all of the all of. Well, and I think I think the procession thing on the Protestant part, I have to almost see it to believe it. I'm actually going to Google after the show. I want to see this. I want to see that this happened because I do think that's important. I think, you know, if you look at what the the the in this and John David, Daniel Davidson lays it out so beautifully in his book, Pagan America, you know, that is a religion. I mean, we are replacing Christianity with this.

I mean, we are replacing Christianity with this. And so, like, when you see, for example, you know, Pride Month, I mean, that is a takeover of essentially the Christian liturgical calendar. So for Catholics, June was always, you know, a very religious month. It had a lot of meaning for us. It was, you know, sort of, you know, and then they replaced it with pride, right? And these very public processions that they make. And so this is maybe these, you know, we we do it on the Feast of Corpus Christi, where we process out the monstrance and and and and do all that sort of thing. We're on the feast days of certain saints or certain feast days of of the Virgin Mary. of certain saints or certain feast days of the Virgin Mary.

But this is sort of like the pride holiday stuff is a reaction to that, to replace the Christian holiday, to replace the Christian liturgical calendar. And so, wow, I'm going to have to Google that and see what the Protestants are up to, because, boy, Christians have to unite in every way because they do want us to rescind into our homes to practice privately um they also want to kick us out of the the public square because you know keep your religion out of the public square um and silence us and and and we're going to have to not be shy about about those kinds of displays and about asserting ourselves in the political and cultural arena. I just want to mention one thing that I before I assume we have to go soon, but I did a really interesting interview. It's older. But when we think about the people that do these pride parades and demonstrations.

Camille Paglia, by the way, is a cultural critic and academic. She's a lesbian herself, but of Catholic and Italian roots, even though she's non-practicing, she has a deep appreciation for Catholicism and art. She's a very smart, wise woman. So I'll just step back a second. So these pride demonstrations, right, they, you know, that we have a lot of abduction to them. There's children present and oftentimes are, you know, twerking and taking their clothes off. And, you know, parents, obvious Christian parents, at least don't want their kids anywhere near this. And they sometimes

can't even avoid it because they're in the public square. And the people that are putting these events on that are, you know, so supportive of transgender surgeries for minors and all these things, they tend to think of themselves as very cosmopolitan, that we're very enlightened individuals. And you little Christians with your, you know, morals and your, you know, binary views and whatever are so, you know, primitive compared to us. And Camille Paglia had said, you know, obviously none of these people are students of history. They don't have a global understanding of humanity because in every civilization of the past,

in the Greeks and Romans and even in, you know, the Weimar Republic, at the end of an empire, people start to do this gender bending, people start to do this gender bending uh you know no no no a concept of of uh you know normal you know male versus female sex and the reason that this happens at a at a core level is when society starts to fall apart that at the most basic level people start to fall apart. Knowing who you are as a man or a woman is so inherent and should be something that's unquestionable in your mind. And when you start to fall apart, the most basic things begin to fall apart. So instead of being enlightened and cosmopolitan and just so educated more than us Christians, right? Actually, these individuals are exemplifying a pattern we've seen throughout human history, which symbolizes civilizational collapse. We are

looking at decay in action. Yeah, she actually does a great job of showing how, you know, at the start, sort of at the peak of Roman power, the statues of men were, you know, so self-assured and muscular and strong. And then as the empire starts to decline, they look like the form becomes softer. They look like wet noodles. She said they look like wet noodles. They look like when the form becomes less, and I think it reflects the society that is less sure of itself, that is now in decline. I'll end with this, it's such a fascinating conversation. You know, we talked about

June being Pride Month. It's practically, I mean, it pops up on your phone. I just found out that a Catholic school down the street from mine called Del Barton, which is a really prestigious Catholic school in our area, is celebrating Pride Month. So, I mean, this is really infiltrated everywhere. I went down to buy a birthday cake at Costco, and there were more pride flag cakes than there were birthday cakes for me to buy. I was, you know, it's just, it's everywhere. Costco used to be sort of like, you know, where more conservatives would go. Costco was always Sean's best focus group. If he went down to Costco, he would get stopped all the time. I couldn't send him because he wouldn't come home because everyone wanted to talk to him and get the latest from Washington, D.C.

So so anyway, Pride Pride Month is taken over. But for Catholics, June is the celebration of the sacred heart of Jesus. And so, you know, it's a symbol of hope. It's a symbol of, by the way, the color in June, the liturgical colors change to green, which represents the sprouting and the arising, arousal of the faithful, and basically the hope of reaping eternal harvest in heaven. And so maybe it's time to take back June. If nothing else, to reject this new, you know, pagan liturgical calendar that's being foisted on all of us,

forced on all of us, and sort of re-embrace our Christian roots, which are going to need to be nice and strong and sturdy for whatever is to come. So, Evita, thanks for what you do. Remind people where they can find you online and also on your show. Yeah, so my Twitter handle is EvitaDuffy underscore one. I write on BonjinaReport.com. I'm also putting out new content every day on Bunchy to Report on Rumble. So you want to not just see my writing, but my video content.

You can go to Bunchy to Report on Rumble. Awesome stuff. And soon a new show coming out, but we'll keep you guys posted on that as well. Thanks for joining us, Evita. Super great. Interesting topic. As soon as Sean left, it sort of went off the rails a little, but I'm okay with that. We got to the important stuff, actually.

Yeah, we actually did. Very important. We actually got to the heart of it. I'll fill them in. Great to be here, Taco. I appreciate you. By the way, Taco is Naveedah's nickname for me. That's not going to tell that off.

That is my nickname. But mom is fine too. Okay. Thanks mom. I love you, honey. Take care. Thanks for joining us. Listen ad free with a Fox news podcast plus subscription on Apple podcast and Amazon prime

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