From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Father Vs. Daughter: The TikTok Debate

Episode Date: March 16, 2024

 This past week Congress passed a bill that could ban the use of TikTok in the United States, but what does this really mean? And should the popular social media app be banned? You don’t want to miss this debate between Sean and their eldest daughter, Evita over the future of TikTok in the United States. Plus, Rachel and Evita react to speculation that Kate Middleton, The Princess of Wales is missing! Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host of the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Hi, Rachel. Sean, it's so great to be here. And for Q&A this week, we just have like the hottest topics ever. We do have a few questions, one or two,

but the topics were so hot this week that we just can't not do them. They were sizzling. They were sizzling. We have to take them off the frying pan. And some of them are so good that we could do them by ourselves, but some of them need some extra oomph and weight behind them, which is why we're bringing in our

daughter Evita to the conversation. Evita, welcome back to the kitchen table. It's good to have you here. Evita, it's actually great to have you because all of these topics are really, especially the first two, very much affecting or impacting your generation. So we're going to talk about TikTok. We're going to talk about Olivia Rodrigo, who's now passing out plant B at her concerts, which is really weird. Plant B and condoms. We're going to get into that.

Yeah, and condoms. And by the way, that's an indication of what, how strongly the Democrats are going to be running on like abortion only. That's all they got. And then we're going to unpack the mystery of Kate because every hour, the mystery deepens,

the plot thickens, and it all seems to be pointing to what Evita and I said from the get-go, which was an affair. So let's just be clear here. So really why Evita's here is I can hold my weight on tiktok not so much on the royals and on olivia rodriguez we need a male opinion on the

kate middleton thing i'm gonna say i'm gonna try to stick through this podcast but i might have to leave a little later to get to the bottom line we're going to check that out but let's talk about tiktok first so um obviously tiktok is owned by bite dance biteance. ByteDance is a Chinese company. China has a requirement that their companies have to share whatever data they request from Chinese companies. This is a wildly popular social media app in America. You all know that. I'm telling you what you know. I think 150 million Americans use TikTok. Some use it for business purposes and do very well. I know a woman who was using it to sell a purse that she had made. It was actually a diaper bag.

And she was like, I can't believe they're flying off the shelves because TikTok was truly pushing the merchandise. Did you have her on the bottom line? No, I didn't know she wrote to Fox. Tell me the story. But now the House has come out and said, listen, we have a bill that's going to do one of two things. One, either ByteDance, the Chinese-owned company, has to divest of TikTok, sell it to an American company, and making sure the data and the algorithms come to America, or we're going to ban TikTok in America. America, or we're going to ban TikTok in America. So passed the House. It was like 163 Republicans and Democrats voted against it in the House. It actually passed out of committee before it went

to the House floor out of Energy and Commerce. 50 to zero vote. You don't see bipartisanship on any issue in Congress. Which raises a lot of red flags for me. And Evita, too. So it passed the House. It's on its way to the Senate. TikTok and its CEO is lobbying senators really hard, claiming that we have to protect democracy and the Constitution and the right to free speech

by keeping TikTok in play in America. So we're going to see. The Senate might take up and pass the House bill, or they might craft their own version of restrictions on TikTok. And so we want to bring in Evita to this conversation. We have a number of opinions and sides. I fall on the side of, yes, we should ban TikTok. Evita, however, I've done a great job raising her, but she's a little wrong on this one. And she thinks that we should not ban TikTok. So Evita, however, I've done a great job raising her, but she's a little wrong on this one. And she thinks that we should not ban TikTok. So Evita, as we start.

She's been on this for a long time. She's been saying don't ban TikTok. She's been riding that pony for a while. So Evita, so let's turn it off the conversation. Give us your take on why we shouldn't ban TikTok in America. And I'll tell you why you're wrong. I thought you were better than that, Dad. I am superior to you right now.

But I'm going to tell you why I have been on TikTok for a long time. That's right. Since I believe it was last May, I came out as a TikTok supporter to the horror of a lot of conservatives and people that I love and respect who thought I was crazy for this. But there's been debates about banning TikTok since Trump was in office. But then it was really coming to a head and they were trying to force TikTok to store the data in America back last May. So I wrote an article back then about this. I believe that TikTok, Daddy, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think TikTok actually did agree to house data in the United States. And so that's there now. This is a new bill, right? That's

even farther reaching. So we can get into the details of that. But I'm going to give you a topical reason why I am very against this TikTok ban. I'm somebody who has a TikTok. And I also have an Instagram. And what I've noticed on both of these apps is that, first of all, TikTok is very draconian. They're not, by any means, a free speech platform. There's no Elon Musk on TikTok standing up for people who are usually censored. I have been censored by TikTok at least four times, maybe five times. I've been censored by Instagram twice. And what's interesting about both of those instances of censorship is they weren't the same. So different, I was censored on Instagram and TikTok for see like a flat. So for instance,

there was a Lila Rose post where she was interviewing somebody who had had an abortion in the past. This was flagged as misinformation on Instagram, completely untouched on TikTok. So there's instances of this by everybody. Everybody's experienced this. TikTok has different censorship police, which is actually normal for a company. So what I think is really going on here is the United States intelligence is upset that they can't control information on TikTok. They can't control the narrative on TikTok. And so they're saying, actually, okay, now we're going to ban TikTok or TikTok comes under our control like the rest of American social media companies, because what they don't what they care about is not our, you know, our privacy or the safety of American people.

Right. These are individuals in the intelligence community who spy on us, who who abuse Americans on a day to day basis. What they care about is controlling the narrative on TikTok so they can therefore control our minds. Yeah, so you're, I mean, and basically tucked into this premise of yours is that you believe that our government, our intel agencies are working with, I guess, Mark Zuckerberg and Instagram. We kind of know that. We saw that with the laptop, right? It's not just a conspiracy theory. Look at the Missouri v. Biden court case that's going to be heard by the Supreme Court soon. We saw the way during COVID and Hunter Biden laptop and Russia collusion, the way that the deep state directed social media companies to censor and suppress information that was inconvenient to them.

This is not a conspiracy. This is a fact. We know this. They don't care about free speech. They don't care about your privacy. They don't care about the American people at all. What they care about is controlling us. Are you worried about China? You know, I mean, look, I get it. I mean, listen, I'm with you 100%. I believe that the intel agencies are controlling Instagram and all these other, you know, platforms that are American owned. They work with the with the with the intel agencies.

We heard Zuckerberg go on Joe Rogan's show and say, yeah, the FBI told me that this was coming out and they took the bait and they did it. We saw what happened with the Twitter files and everything that came out there. So I get that, not disputing that. But now China is a geopolitical enemy. They don't allow the same version of TikTok to be used in China. We know that there are a lot of ideological pushing of algorithms on things like things that I think are ultimately very destructive for America, a lot of gender stuff, a lot of, you know, other things that they're pushing through, through, through their app. Yeah. So, so, so to give me that, I'm gonna tell you why you're wrong.

Okay. Well, first of all, I think China is a collecting data. Yeah, China, China is 1000% a threat to us. And I've actually written articles saying, Hey, I think this is a threat to the U.S. And they're collecting data. Yeah, China is 1,000% a threat to the U.S. And I've actually written articles saying, hey, I think this is a Chinese influence campaign. We talked about it, I think, on the podcast where I said they're pushing all this content about a pipeline that they wanted to shut down. We're not seeing this content on other apps.

It's not organic. It seems, you know, it seems contrived. So yeah, I think they're totally, you know, people who contrived. So yeah, I think they're, they're, they're totally, you know, people who are trying to have nefarious, you know, reasons for, for, for controlling TikTok. But I think the same thing about American social media companies. And what I think actually, and, and this is why I really take this, this hard stance on it is that American social media companies are more of an immediate threat to Americans than China, right? Because with American social media companies, they're actually beholden to the deep state, which is actively trying

currently to thwart democracy in the United States, right? They use the Russian collusion hoax, partner with social media companies to interfere in our elections. That's an immediate threat to us. Even think about if you're a conservative and you know the FBI is surveilling and going after traditional Catholics or pro-lifers. If you're an American conservative, specifically the U.S. intelligence and therefore U.S. social media companies pose a greater, more immediate threat to you than China does at this time. This is an American intelligence group that doesn't care about our safety at all. They let the Chinese spy balloon fly over the United States, did nothing about it. They're letting China buy up farmland in the United States, buy up cell phone towers in the United States. And there's no rules to secure the border or stop this influx of military-age Chinese

males coming into our country with no surveillance whatsoever. These are people that don't care about our safety. All right. So I would argue that two wrongs don't make a right. And so first to go to China. One, you have, I think, China pushing to the point that's been made, the content that is rotting the minds of American youth and the American citizenry. They push garbage. Now, I would argue and agree with you that Instagram and Facebook probably do the same thing. But I think it's far more nefarious coming from the Chinese as a geopolitical enemy. I don't think TikTok, because the problem is not just the data, you're right, the data is, I think, now stored in Texas,

but the algorithm on what is curated in your feed matters. And the algorithm that does that is housed in China. And to buy TikTok, to make it valuable, you don't just need the data, the technology of the app, but you need the algorithm that runs the app. And China is not going to let ByteDance sell that to an American based company. So I don't think the sale is going to happen. I think we're going to be in a conversation about a ban of TikTok. So with China as a geopolitical enemy, you go, well, I have more free speech maybe on TikTok than on American social media apps. Well, things change, Evita, right? China's not going to change.

China is collecting data. They can use it for a lot of nefarious purposes, especially to blackmail American leadership. It is a true threat. But we could have said the same thing three, four years ago about Twitter, right? Twitter is a threat to democracy. They're censoring speech. And they were, and the government was partnering with them. Well, something changed though. Elon Musk came in and bought Twitter, and all of a sudden it is a more free speech platform, far more than it used to be. Now, people can make complaints about Twitter, now called X, but it is more free than it used to be. By the way, Elon Musk disclosed

all of the government influence in trying to curtail what information Americans saw and who Twitter suppressed, whose speech they suppressed. So things can change. Our government can change. Our politics can change. How social media apps work and the freedom to communicate on them can change. China is not going to change. They're going to be a continual global threat to us. So not only do you have the data that they collect, but now we've seen these young users at the prompting of TikTok call members of Congress. So now they can actually energize and motivate their user base to call members of Congress and make statements like, you know what, I'm going to kill myself, or I might kill you, or all kinds of threats have come out from TikTok users to members of Congress

trying to prohibit the ban. The problem with this is, this might be, you might go, that's fine. It's, you know, they're involved in American democracy, but it's at the behest of China. And if they use it for the ban of TikTok, what's to say they won't use it for maybe ability to influence the American people through an app that's China-based? That creates a huge problem for national security. One last point, and I'm going to shut up, okay? Yeah, it's a long rant, Sean. She's dying to talk. I'm just saying she's dying to talk. I'll tell her one point that she's ready. There's a slight edge on the table. Shut up. Go ahead. Go ahead. I think you're very wrong, and I'm going to tell you two reasons why I think you're wrong.

Okay. The first thing is that, and I think our conversation has really been centered around the merits of TikTok, and you might not conversation has really been centered around the merits of TikTok. And you might not agree, you might think TikTok is completely full of drivel, and it's disgusting, it's awful, and it should be gone and wiped off the face of the earth. And frankly, I don't think TikTok is an amazing app either. And I think, you know, there are definitely negative things about social media, no different than Instagram or Twitter or, you know, Facebook or whatever other apps there are. They're negative forces in our society. But that's not really what I think the issue is here.

The issue is the precedent that this TikTok ban sets. I think it's un-American. I think Americans have a right to foreign propaganda. And this has actually been something a precedent set by the Supreme Court, that we have a right to see information that's inconvenient to our own government a country that tells other uh their citizenry what they can and can't listen to or watch is a country like china or iran that's not america we have a right to whatever information we want no matter who's promoting it and no matter how bad it is that's all right as amer, whether it's bad or not, doesn't matter, dad, whether you're not, you're not the

arbiter of, of, of good and bad content. We can't just go through and say, Sean approved, Sean doesn't approve, Sean approves. No, we have a right to look at whatever we want to look at. And the second thing is that it's a, it's a Trojan horse and that this bill is going to be very scary in the same way that the Patriot Act was very scary. And many smart people did not have the foresight to see what it would lead to. The bill says that the president of the United States has the ability to determine an app or a website as an asset to a foreign adversary of the United States. And by the way, the president decides what is and isn't a foreign adversary of the United States. And by the way, the president decides what is and isn't a foreign adversary of the United States.

So now it's China, but what if tomorrow it's Saudi Arabia or any other country that they decide is a foreign adversary? And the problem is right now, and I know this because I worked in conservative media and alternative media, and I'm labeled, the Federalists, when I worked there, was labeled by NewsGuard and other censorship organizations that try to decide who is disinformation and who isn't. They would say, oh, the Federalists or these other media outlets are assets of Russia or they're assets of Iran. They said that about President Trump, right? And that

was a complete bogus. So what's happening now is we're not going to give President Biden the ability to say The Federalist or FoxNews.com. We think those are Russian assets. Gone. Those websites are gone. This app is gone. This is so draconian and is setting such a dangerous precedent and is a Trojan horse for censorship in a time when we are already grappling with so much of it. And that Republicans in Congress would support this is is not it was it's baffling to me. And then at the same time, I think maybe it's nefarious and maybe there are useful idiots out there who think, oh, China's bad and TikTok's bad. So I'm just going to support it. But I think there's a lot of others who are part of the unit party who don't care about the American people or their constituents and are going along with this for very nefarious reasons.

So those are my two reasons. It's un-American and it's a very dangerous Trojan horse. Can I give a quick response? Yeah, of course. So listen, when we talk about the specifics of the bill and giving the president the authority to ban certain websites claiming their propaganda for a foreign entity, that's why I think you're going to see the Senate engage in refining and tweaking because I don't trust the president. The Senate is going to be more into it. I agree. So we are entitled, you're right, to see foreign propaganda. I'm fine with that.

Because who decides what's foreign propaganda? But when you have our greatest adversary feeding, people don't even know it's propaganda. People don't even know it's being fed to them. A lot of people don't know that it's a Chinese app. And so the power that you give over the American people with 150 million people using it now to influence the viewpoints of the American people on China, on the threat of China, on U.S. policy toward China, I think is

incredibly dangerous. And so just because we're going to, if you ban TikTok, doesn't mean you're opposed to free speech. I was just saying, listen, so this is very different. So we can have, I want free speech on all these other platforms. I don't want speech to be censored, but if you censor my speech on Instagram and not yours, well, that's censorship, right? But the TikTok ban is no one's going to partake in America on that platform. It's like, we're not at the, you know, at the North Pole having a conversation. The conversation has moved to the South Pole. We're having a conversation in a different place. I'm not deciding who can and cannot be part of the conversation. So the

complete plan- Right, because the government, because I know what you're missing, or maybe you see it, but you just don't think it's important, is our government controls the American platforms. And our government has been weaponized against half of the people in this country. And now timing is really interesting. We're coming up on the most important election, I would say, in the century. But you can argue that a very important election that looks to be going pretty well in Donald Trump's favor at this moment in time, at least. And they're getting desperate because their main candidate looks like he may be continuing to decline mentally. And all of a sudden they really need TikTok now. They need it shut down now. And they want to sell it to somebody else. And believe me,

they're not going to let Rumble buy TikTok. They're going to make sure it's somebody that they can control in the same way they've controlled Zuckerberg. And my concern as well, Sean, and to Avita's point is, if they really cared about the threat to China, boy, there would be a lot of things they could be doing right now. They would not be letting, as she said, the Chinese in. They would not be, you know, spitting in the face of anti-China leaders in the Western hemisphere as they are in favor of leftists who are partnering with China and gobbling up all the resources and all the ports and all the mines and basically creating the conditions for a wholesale overtake of the western hemisphere by China in our own backyard. They would be doing so many

different things. They would be going, as she said, they would not be letting, immediately we would have a ban on Chinese farmland purchases, maybe even a repropriation of those lands, especially the ones that are near military bases. We would be doing so many different things. They don't give a crap about China. Listen, I think Joe Biden's compromised on China. Of course. So why is he so interested in this, Sean? Because we haven't banned TikTok, we can't ban Chinese from coming across the southern border.

Or because we haven't banned TikTok, we've got to let them buy a farmland. The whataboutism doesn't work here. Do the right thing. And what is the right thing? And I think it is to go, you know what? We are not going to give a tool and a platform for the Chinese Communist Party to infiltrate the minds of the American voter, which they will use it to do. I don't want to give a tool and a platform to the FBI. So the one point I agree with both of you on is that there's Democrats are joining this cause because I think you're right.

They want to dictate if TikTok is sold, they want to dictate who it's sold to and make sure who it's sold to they have control over. And therefore, you can then therefore control the information that's on the platform, which means they're going to censor conservatives. This is a way in balancing though. You've got to weigh and balance the risk of giving China all the data on the American people and influencing the thought of the American people with every single platform to our Intel community who hates us. We'll give it to China hates us too. But as I mentioned before, things can change.

Administrations can change. If the bill allowed for a fair, you know, you know, it was going to go, like I said, if they were going to allow for it to be fairly bid on. Okay. I just don't believe the bill actually is going to do that. I really don't. I don't. By the way, you know, what's interesting is this morning I got up, Evita, I got up to have coffee and your sister was like, everybody I know is talking about this TikTok. They're mad. She understood that there were a lot of Americans who make their money off of TikTok. And so I'm just curious, Evita, how you think this is going to play? Because one of the things that the administration was also upset about was that TikTok tended to,

I don't know if they were promoting it through their algorithms. They very well could have been doing it. But a lot of pro-Palestinian, you know, Gaza war stuff, a lot of stuff that was getting banned on other platforms was is flourishing on TikTok with regard to that particular issue. And you have a lot of young people really riled up about that, that, that particular issue. So how much of that is playing into what's going on? And what is the effect on the youth vote, which already the Democrats are sort of seeing slip away? That's what I think is really at the root of all this, because we sort of see the hysteria over TikTok come in waves and in waves that sort of align with what the American deep state is concerned about. Right now, this TikTok, you're right,

has been saturated with free Palestine content. That hashtag has billions of views on the app. And now I can't prove any of this, but on Instagram and even on X, on Facebook, you are not seeing the same level of pro-Palestine content. It could be because algorithmically it's being suppressed. The U.S. government, right, is in an alliance with Israel. They want the American people on the side of Israel. And so they're suppressing that kind of content.

On TikTok, it has flourished. And I, frankly, I'm not, I'm not, I've, I've, I've actually kind of tracked some stories that I think have been sort of contrived by TikTok or promoted by TikTok. This one, perhaps it's algorithmically being boosted, but the content is organic. That meaning like, these are real American kids who are posting real authentic content that is very pro-Palestinian. And it is looking so bad for Biden. I mean, there are there's a movement on TikTok of young people saying we will not vote for him or we are saying we're uncommitted in this election cycle. They are furious. And so that the Biden administration has a vested interest in having algorithmic control over TikTok totally makes sense. Right now he's getting destroyed by TikTok and the

young people who are in mass turning against him. And then this is not to be, you know, overtly political, but Thomas Nassi was doing an interview where he was talking about this TikTok ban and said, you know, as I'm leaving here, I'm at the Greenbrier, I'm at the Republican, you know, retreat, which we actually went to, you know, but back when Congress, and he said, I'm going to leave this interview, and I'm going to go in for an hour long lecture from the Israeli ambassador to America. So there is, there's a lot of interest to get rid of TikTok, or at least to have TikTok under American intelligence control. None of those reasons, I think, are good for the country, are good for free speech in America. And ultimately, I think we'll set a precedent to shut down alternative media and alternative apps in this country. How long?

If they do shut it down, Avita, will it impact Joe Biden in the election? Well, so, yes, I think so. Because if it's, first of all, I'm not convinced that it actually will get shut down. I think that there will be a buyer if this passes the Senate and it gets signed into law by the president. And if there is a buyer, they will immediately change control. And, you know, people have short memories, especially in a world of social media, so that if the content changes dramatically, even a couple months before the election, that could really change things for Biden in a really positive way. So, yeah, I think it's totally worth it. That's a good point. So the kids will be mad that TikTok got taken away or that there was

the threat of it getting taken away. You believe that someone's going to buy it. And in the end, the propaganda coming out of TikTok will actually be more favorable in this case to Joe Biden. I just want to say one thing that there are a lot of people like you out there, dad, and even members of Congress. I don't think everybody is is, you know, on the side of the deep state is is in conversation with Biden. Mostly Republicans voted for this bill. I think what's really sad is that they're exploiting your good intentions and using you for something like like what the Patriot Act was after 9-11. Well, so again, I'm going to leave aside, and again, it's the point of a bill that can censor other platforms. And I would agree with you on that point, Avita. I don't think anyone has accused the Chinese Communist Party of being stupid. They're incredibly smart, and they have a long vision of where they want their country to go.

And so they steal American technology. They try to steal American businesses. They buy farmland in America. They fly spy balloons over our country. They send military-age men across our border. And they own the most popular app in the country. All of those things, China would never allow to happen in their country. They would never allow American age military men to come into their country. They would never allow us to buy farmland next to

military installations. They would never let, they do not let Twitter or Facebook into China because they understand the risk of those things. Right. And so we're talking about two separate problems. We're fighting about them. And I agree. I think there's a wide agreement about what what what will the purpose be of this bill? And how could how could if TikTok is sold, be used for nefarious Joe Biden purposes if and when sold. And I agree with that. But that aside, I think the threat of China is grave. It is great. And I think America has to be much smarter about how we fence off China from our technology, from our border, from our farmland, and from the minds of the American

people. I was going to ask you just a question. I don't know if we're trying to close things out, but do you prefer, because I think we all agree that American social media is beholden to the deep state. That's clearly- Not Twitter. Not Twitter so much, but the others, yes. And we don't really know that. I mean, Elon Musk has had a lot of problems with the app. There are people who are still banned and content still taken down. Frequently people have to appeal to Elon Musk from censorship calls that are made within his own company. So not necessarily true, but most, then okay.

We can agree that most social media companies maybe save rumble are, are beholden to the deep state. Do you prefer TikTok to be beholden to American intelligence versus Chinese? Is that your take here? It is. That is my take. And I think that neither are good. And I actually think that American intelligence poses a greater threat to us in the immediate future.

Yeah, I would argue, I think you're- So why don't you expand on that? So wait, wait, she made a really interesting point. You said you fear Chinese propaganda and influence more, Sean. She says she fears American intel, propaganda, censorship, and influence more. Why, Vida? propaganda, censorship, and influence more. Why, Vida? Well, I kind of laid it out before, but I think that they, like, for elections, first of all,

I mean, the way that they would censor the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 election, the way that they had foreign intelligence telling individuals that it was Russian disinformation, and then they all, you know, bought it wholeheartedly, the way that they can label. No, I understand that, but I'm saying you think your personal freedom will be more affected, correct, by our government controlling that platform, TikTok, than if China does. Right, because first of all, I don't really know who's in control of Chinese intelligence, right. Or what all of their aims are. I do know the aims of American intelligence and those aims are directly targeted at all three of us, right. Anybody who's an American conservative, they, they have, you know, set their sights on and they are, they are

trying to, to, to control and suppress those individuals. Conservative content on these apps is almost non-existent, say Rumble and maybe X. So, yeah, I think if you are an American conservative, the greatest threat to you are these social media companies. social media companies. If you are like the federalist and you're trying to, your content really survives on getting clicks and likes on apps, and suddenly you're being de-boosted by social media companies who are taking- That's happening to us on Facebook. It's happening right now to us on Facebook. Who take orders from NewsGuard, and NewsGuard is populated by all of these foreign intelligence officials, well, then if you can't actually have content put out on the web and you're not getting clicks and people aren't coming to your website, you don't have a company anymore. So it's actually

destroying conservative companies. And also, if you look at like GoFundMe, where they'll take down conservatives who are trying to raise money for themselves, or PayPal, some of these other monetary apps, they'll actually target conservatives all the time. And we know that these things are beholden to the deep state. So I would agree with that, Abita. So the last point I will make on this is China, as an enemy of the United States, is not going to change. China is going to continue to gather as much information from the American people as possible. China is going to continue to try to influence the viewpoints through its app of the American people, right? And so then we come to, well, what one is worse? Which one's better? When I look at, okay, deep state intelligence control of information flow in America and the censorship of conservatives, which we all agree on,

that's happening. I think there's opportunity, more opportunity, if I'm looking over the horizon, to change the way America works. Again, we had the example of Elon Musk buying Twitter. That changed Twitter. May not be perfect, but it's much better. What happens if Donald Trump wins and is able to truly gut the intelligence community, get it back on a footing of doing intelligence, foreign intelligence, not American, you know, surveillance of conservatives. There's, and what do we do about, you know, the freedom of conservative businesses to thrive and grow on social media platforms? What's going to happen with making sure social media platforms allow for free expression on their platforms. Those things can all change.

And we've seen it change with Twitter or now X. It's not going to change with China. And so when I look at the threat of China and I compare it to the current state that we're in right now with the American intelligence community and how they're trying to influence what we see, I'd have to pick one. China's not going to change. I still have, and again, I've been a pretty downer Debbie guy on what's going to happen in this country, but I do have hope there's still opportunity to change the way my government engages with me with regard to my freedom, my democracy, and my right to free

speech. And that's why I come down and go, you know what, I don't want this bill to ban other platforms. I don't want to give the power to Joe Biden. Maybe there has to be a relook at the bill that does that. But when you're putting strictly American intelligence and suppression in conjunction with China censorship, I'm going to take America every day of the week. Well, I think it's an interesting discussion because I do think there is largely, you guys did beat a dead horse. But I think there's largely a generational divide. I would guess if we did a poll, a lot more people would side with you that are over the age of 45. And I would guess Evita is with so many young people, but also, I think a lot of people like me who did feel burned by the Patriot Act, by the way.

I was one of those people. I was like, fine, go after those terrorists. And then I saw that the FBI started infiltrating Catholic churches. And I feel a lot of regret about that. I feel very badly about my complicity in terms of, you know, my position. Yeah, my position. I was complicit in reinforcing and building up and creating this intel state, the secret police, actually, who are now targeting the Americans. And I think what Avita is saying is that secret police will become even more powerful if they control TikTok. And so it's a great discussion. I don't think we're going to come up with any answers. And we're not. And so what I think is important in this conversation is a lot of people don't see the other point of view. I appreciate you bringing the other point of view in this conversation, Evita, and doing it very, very well. Your mother raised you well. Evita, in doing it very, very well. Your mother raised you well. Evita, thank you for the great insight and giving us the alternative point of view. We're going to come right back after this

break. Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gowdy Podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now at foxnewspodcast.com. We're back now, and Evita and I are going to hit a few more topics here because Olivia Rodrigo is in the news big time right now. So if you don't know who Olivia Rodrigo is, she's a fairly young star. She was an actress on Disney first. She's a singer.

She's a songwriter. She had a hit. So by the way, she was also on like high school musical, the series. I think it was Bizarre Bark was the Disney show that she was on. And then she started a singing career and I don't know, like 2021, not very long ago. And she had this chart topping sort of angsty single called Driver's License. All of our girls love this song. And I would say more so than Taylor Swift are tweens and teens like Olivia Rodrigo because she's in on reproductive rights, as the liberals call it, preserving abortion in America, making it a, you know, going back to the days when it was

considered a constitutional right. She wants to jump on that bandwagon, help Joe Biden get elected on that issue. And she's doing it by really highlighting abortion during her concert, talking about it incessantly and her concert tickets now, Vida, come with free condoms, free plan B abortion pills or birth control pills, I should say, and with more information on how to turn your tween who goes to her concert into an activist. Yeah, I mean, it's such an interesting story because I actually liked Olivia Rodrigo, too. I thought her song Driver's License is really cute. She sort of brought herself into a space of pop rocks, which we haven't seen since the early 2000s. I think a lot of teens really loved her brand of music,

the way that she's sort of evolving the pop genre a little bit, bringing back some old tunes. So I don't know, like, I thought she was kind of fresh and very, you know, very teeny boppery and like a very sort of wholesome way. Yeah, like the girl next door, right? Yeah, very girl next door. I loved her music. I understand why my little sisters love her music. And so it's been really kind of bizarre to see her take these like very strident political takes at such a young age, too. I mean, Olivia Rodrigo famously showed up in this like kind of bizarre outfit with these massive boots to a Joe Biden press conference where she talked about wanting young people to take the COVID vaccine. So she's really and what's interesting about it is she's really young. And if you've heard her interviews, she's not the most articulate.

What she's good at is music. Right. And she's like 21. Right. I don't even know if she's really writing her own music. She's not she's not a genius. And she's not somebody that we would probably go to for political commentary. But somebody's pushing her in that direction. And really telling her to step into the political world and show for Joe Biden and apparently give out, you know, plan B at her concerts and condoms at her concerts. So it's kind of, to me, actually, I think it's kind of sad to see her be used by left-wing handlers to show for Democrats. I don't really understand it. And I don't feel like it's authentic. I really

don't feel like it's coming from her. Yeah, that's a really interesting point because it's either she's being, as you said, coached or directed or prodded somehow to do this for political reasons or because somebody thinks it's a great marketing idea. I don't see how alienating, especially because you depend on because of the demo that she attracts you depend on young girls whose moms and dads are going to drive them to the concert if not go to the concert with them because that's the demo she reaches and no mom i mean wants to take their kid at least half the half the moms in america don't want their girls to go to a concert where they're going to get handed out birth control pills it's just it's just bizarre and um so I'm, I'm surprised. The other, you know, thing that people speculate about is, well, then maybe she did have an abortion herself. And this is why she's so passionate about it because, you know, she's all in on it. She did

it. And, you know, we've talked about this before, Vida, when it comes to, you know, people who have had the vax, for example, how hard it is after you've had the vaccine, even as new information has come out saying how like the vaccine wasn't effective, even as you learn about the many vaccine injuries and deaths that have occurred that, you know, aren't being talked about, but have happened. But, you know, when people get that information, about that have happened. But, you know, when people get that information, it's just too hard to process it because they already took, you know, the only ones who really will admit this was a really bad idea are the ones who took it under duress, right? But the ones who were like, go vaccine, it's really hard for them to admit they were wrong in that case. And you see that, I think

you see that also with transgenders, right? People who have been complicit in helping someone transition. And now that all this information is coming out saying, wow, this is just actually physiologically bad and mentally bad for young people. You see people in Europe, countries in Europe now backtracking. I don't know. I think it's hard. It could be that she's, it's personal to her, I guess is what I'm saying. In a lot of these issues, pride really comes into play. When you're hearing information, you know things are wrong, but you've taken a hard stance before, it's really hard to come back from that. It takes a really big person to do that. And so when you're faced with reality,

a lot of times people will instead double down. And a lot. And this is really a sad thing about leftist, you know, social policy in general is it's really dysphoric and you allow them gender transition. And then you realize, oh, I'm probably wrong. And you're confronted with that information. But if you admit that, if you admit, oh, that that was actually a baby that I that I aborted. Right. Or, oh, my child was never really a boy. You know, she was always a girl. If you would. Too late, I gave her puberty blockers. Right. Then you have to admit that you killed a child or that you, you know, forever destroyed your child's mental and physical well-being or even sometimes made them, you know, infertile for the rest of their lives. I mean, these are things that are really, really painful on people.

And unfortunately, now we have people promoting and furthering policy and dragging more people down with them because they can't admit that they were wrong. And this is a very human thing. You know, this past week, Kamala Harris did something we've never seen any other vice presidential or presidential candidate do before, which is she went and did a campaign stop at an abortion clinic. And, you know, it just was, it was just so shocking to me. And, you know, one of the things that surprised me back to Olivia as well, Evita, was as she's passing out these pills, is she liable for that? You know, what happens if someone gets hurt from taking these pills that she's passing out? What kind of, I have no idea, what is the parental notification at her concerts for handing out these pills to young girls?

I don't know how that's working, but you can see from what she's doing and then what Kamala Harris just decided to do this week, which was incredibly, I mean, I just can't believe it happened in America, that she would do a campaign. It's such a it just seems so grisly that she would do it there. And it just shows that they are tripling, quadrupling down on abortion. They must feel like this is the only thing they have to run on. They must feel like this is the only thing they have to run on. Yeah, I mean, it's really, I think even five years ago, I mean, let alone 50 years ago, it would have been inconceivable that a vice president would show up at an abortion clinic or that, you know, a major pop star would be handing out, you know, condoms and birth control or plan B and nobody, plan B, not for control, but, and it would have virtually no backlash,

except from a small portion of America who's Christian and always will be against these things, right? So it's, I think it kind of shows how desensitized we've become to the, just the rot that is leftist culture, right? And the way that we've, we've turned our back on the Christian values that we used to have. You know, the founding fathers, when they, when they founded America, they believed that the country would never be able to survive with the freedoms that we have without the Christian backing, without the values and individuals. Because if you don't have that internal guide pushing you to do the right backing, without the values and individuals, because if you don't have that internal guide pushing you to do the right thing, coupled with basically absolute freedom,

at least in terms of what has happened in human history, and America was revolutionary free for its citizenry, if you didn't have those values backing that up, the society would descend into chaos. And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a dismantling of Christian, not just principles, but then, you know, societal standards. And as you slowly dismantle these over time, and John, you know, Danielson actually, I think he talked about this on the podcast recently, The longer that this, that we go along this path, the more scary things are about to get and will eventually evolve into a, into a pagan society. I mean, that's what I was thinking when I heard this story.

I was like, wow, I know we're a pagan society. Like we're another sign that the Christian values that we were once, you know, the bedrock of our country completely are being washed away. And so many lies that she told, too. I mean, I think about she kept using the word care, abortion care, reproductive health care. She kept saying, especially in front of the word abortion, care. And it's like, really like really I mean there's nothing caring about an abortion I mean we have to be honest and it's I'm so sick of the lies in our

in our society I really believe that the lies um that we're we were being forced we are forced to tell you know whether it's male or female or, you know, follow the science, all this, all the kind of lies that they want us to believe. And I, I just came to a point where I just said, I'm not going to let the lies pass through me, you know, come what may, I'm just not going to tell the lies. And so when I hear a word like abortion or two words like abortion care, I'm sorry. I know what an abortion is. An abortion is a dismemberment of a child in the womb. And we should be really honest about what that is. And she should be honest. If she's so for it, stop lying about what you're talking about.

Tell the truth about what it is. And in fact, if she was really brave, she would go, she would stay, stay and witness one. Look what happens behind the curtains in these in these places that they want us to call clinics or health care facilities that are really abortion, really about dismembering and killing. You know, two people walk in for that procedure and only one walks out. for that procedure and only one walks out. And sometimes they both end up dead, which is really sad because those clinics, for some reason, have been able to skirt a lot of the regulations that regular healthcare facilities have had to go by. So to me, it's all, it was just really sad. I had the same feeling you had, Rita. I got really. I wasn't mad. I was sad. And sad about the lies as well. Well, I'm really glad that you brought up the lies, because I think it's really Orwellian. Yes.

They talk about how the Department of War was rebranded as the Department of Peace, which, by the way, that happened in the United States. We had the Department of War rebranded the Department of Defense. And so evil things, right? And this is what Christianity is, right? We say it's the way, the truth, and the light. There's always truth embedded in every part of Christianity. But when we're talking about evil, when we're talking about Satanism, right, it is, it needs the lies to survive, right? I mean, when we, they have to say abortion is abortion care, they have to say it's gender affirming care, they have to say, you know, that, that, you know, blue is, is red, red is blue, and we're, you know, two plus two equals five, if they don't, right, then people catch on to the

lie, and then they naturally are averse to it. But if they can force you to comply with the lie with your words, right, and this is why we have like laws now of people actually being convicted and prosecuted for not confirming someone's gender that's against biological reality, you start to see society fall apart. Yeah, there's no question about it. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Well, there's another thing that's falling apart, Evita, and that's the royal family. There is, I mean, this might be the greatest crisis, at least since the affair was announced by, you know, Diana and Charles and Camilla.

The royal family was in real crises. This time, I think it might even be worse because Kate Middleton, I don't think is going to get played the way Diana is. So let me backtrack here and tell those who don't know this story. Kate Middleton went in supposedly for some sort of medical procedure. She has not been seen since except for once in a car with her face turned away from the camera. And she hasn't been seen. And they said she was going to appear, I think, after Easter. The palace, the royals, their people put out a photo that they said she put out that was clearly doctored for British, the English Mother's Day. And within minutes, the British press said, this is a fake photo.

Where is the princess? And so that's the big question. Where is a fake photo. Where is the princess? And so that's the big question. Where is she? What is happening? The speculation online, Evita, has been all over the map. Everything from, well, she's just recovering. And some people believe that. She's just recovering.

You know, she just doesn't want to show her face until she's fully recovered. To she might be dead. To there was an affair and prince william has a lover named rose hanbury and she's pregnant and princess kate is leaving i mean the rumors are all over the place so of all the rumors what makes the most sense to you avita oh that's a tough question well so i'll i'll start with saying what I what I definitely think is is not true. I don't think that this was a preplanned abdominal surgery that just needs to be extended. Because one, she was taken away in the ambulance. If people if people are going for a preplanned surgery, they don't go in ambulances. That's not, that's not what happens. And then the second thing is, you know, the Royal family before this abdominal surgery was announced, they, they said, oh, we're, we have this trip to Italy, you know, planned in a couple months. And now they've had

to cancel that trip because obviously she's still in the hospital. Well, if you know that you have a pre-planned surgery, you don't plan a trip for the recovery period surgery. That doesn't happen. So whatever this is, whether it's a health thing or it's a personal thing, it was not preplanned. This is the palace has been completely thrown. The other thing is, I think, and this is, I actually haven't heard anyone talking about this, but the royal family is being very, very tight-lipped about it. And they're purposely trying to avert our attention from this Kate Middleton story. And I have two reasons for saying that. One, when people started to sort of question about where's Kate, and the royal family announced that she would be extending her leave until after Easter. That same day, the royal family also announced that King Charles had cancer.

So that was what dominated the story, the headlines, right? Oh, King Charles has cancer. Not, oh, what's going on with Kate Middleton? So they're purposely trying to avert our attention with the story placements there. And then the second thing was Prince harry went to go visit king charles um and he had a total of 45 minutes with the king and it was very apparent that the royal family had him there on surprise and he was very unwelcome and they ushered him out and i think he never met with his brother william evita correct yep never he didn't meet with anybody except the king.

Allegedly, he met with the king. I mean, who knows? And it was only 45 minutes and he was back on a plane to California. I think that they don't want him anywhere near this story because they are so worried about the truth getting out. the truth getting out. And Harry has such a grind to you know, an axe to grind with his family that if he sees anything

going on, you know, bad he's going to use it to his advantage or at least Meghan Markle will. In fact, one of the things that has happened is as this story is heated up and in one of the ways that it's come to to a head has been because there was an anniversary surrounding their mother, Princess Diana,

and both the brothers made an appearance to this foundation, but individually, like one through Zoom, one went in person. And so as that was happening, the story has gotten more steam. And in the middle of all this drama, right, all of a sudden Meghan Markle speedily drops her new project, which is this, I guess, like, imagine it like the way, you know, Magnolia is for, you is for Chip and Joanne. She dropped some brand. But it's really like a more shishy brand.

So I think it's like American Riviera Orchid, whatever that means. It's a word salad. It's supposed to invoke, I guess, shishiness. And then the brand has all, you know, all this sort of Royal calligraphy around it. And then it says Montecito and, you know, it's, it's her brand and she's selling, I guess, cookware and really expensive, you know, cookware and jams. And it's going to become a lifestyle brand kind of like goop and kind kind of like you know chip and joanne's magnolia very high end though and so a lot of people are like oh boy this is going to get bad because now she's got

this opening for her you know to to profit and and and and market off of the the royal family just as the royal family is collapsing this couldn couldn't be worse for them, Evita. No, and I think we should talk about the photo a little bit. I mean, I don't know. The royal family has just completely botched this. Like if they were trying to get people to not talk about this story, wow, have they done everything to get people

to talk about this story, right? I mean, people don't know. Kate Middleton supposedly on her Twitter account posted a mother's day photo and the mother's day photo was recalled from multiple reputable news sources and they put a kill switch on it because they said it has been so severely doctored we cannot produce this as an authentic image of the royal family so many conspiracies about this that the photo was taken a long time ago, that the image of Kate's face was one from a Vogue magazine cover years ago. It looks exactly like it, Evita.

It looks exactly like the Vogue photo. Right. So there's that. Here's what I thought was the most interesting about that photo. Where was Kate's wedding ring? Right. Where was it? There was no wedding ring on the photo.

So that was interesting Evita but also like then she came out and issued an apology or not really an apology but she got she said I'm sorry I'm an amateur photographer and like many photographer you know amateur photographers you you know toy around with you know editing and it's my mistake and then the public got even more mad because they're like they're throwing her under the bus um they're wondering how how could Kate who's actually taken a lot of pride in the fact that she's sort of like the family photographer kind of make herself look like this bumbling you know you know mom with a with a little hobby on the side. And she's actually very proud of her photos. And many of them are used for official purposes. So

why would she do that, Evita? Right. And I don't I don't think it was she. And to me, that's an indication that that she's on the outs. Right. And that the firm has made her take the fall for this because they can and because they're no longer protecting her in the way that they do the rest of the royals. Remember that if you are in proximity or you are the king, you you are you have the full backing and the further removed you are from the firm, the less support that you're getting. That was a main complaint of Harry and Meghan. So to me, that's an indication that Kate is on the outs. Even if Kate did botch the photo, the royal family is not about to throw her under the bus for this. That's not how they operate with the future queen of England, unless she's done something to piss them off, which I think she has. Unless if she doesn't take, I mean, the only person more important than Kate in their whole firm, as you call it, or as they call it, is William.

And so it was either Kate looks bad or William looks bad, whatever the story is. And it was decided that Kate should look bad because you can't sully William who's already doesn't have the likability of Kate right there was no reason for either of them to look bad I mean they could have put the blame on on the on the Kensington Palace you know comms team I mean there was no there was no reason for either of them to look bad um what I think another another indication that Kate may be um playing hardball with the royal family, perhaps, you know, trying to get the king or the prince, Prince William, to not no longer cheat on her. These are allegations. I don't know if that's happening. But, you know, trying to control that situation.

He Prince William sent out a an official letter notice to the public about anti-Semitism in the UK. And that letter was signed by just him with the official W for William, which is something he has not done ever since he was, before he was married to Kate. All of their notices have been signed together jointly. So why was he forced to not sign that together? If not for the fact that Kate explicitly said, you know, you will not sign my name to any more notices in their marriages on the rocks. I actually believe that, and you asked me the first question was, what do I think is going on? I don't know if, I think that it could be, there could be a health issue, but there could, I think also it's, I think it's two know. I think that it could be there could be a health issue, but there could I think also it's I think it's two things.

I think there's a health thing going on, potentially a domestic violence thing. And that's something that Harry had talked about in his book, which would be a reason why they don't want us to know. What did Harry say in his book about domestic violence? Yeah, Harry had said that his brother was prone to getting violent and that he was pushed by Prince William. And that he was pushed by Prince William, actually, I believe in the presence of Meghan Markle, in an argument that they had, and that Harry had actually fallen. And it was like, it was a pretty hard push. So indicating that his brother is sort of prone to be angry and violent with people. Like a hothead. Get the prince to start respecting her in their marriage. Those are two things that I think could be true at the same time and that I'm gravitating toward. So there's Rose Hanbury, who is an aristocrat in her own right, who ends up marrying this other guy who's also actually probably closer to the royal family, has a lot more family connections and interactions with the royal family over the years, was friends with Prince Charles because he's much older than this Rose woman. He is friends with Charles, knows the boys. And I guess William used to date this girl back in the day, but then, you know, moved on and ended up dating and marrying Kate. And then these two couples, Kate and William and Rose and her husband, became friends.

And they lived not very far from the Royal Palace where they all lived, the Buckingham Palace. And so they were sort of like, you know, would do things together, hang out together, go to events together, whatever. you know, would do things together, hang out together, go to events together, whatever. And then rumors started flying that Rose was actually, you know, still having romantic, I guess, a romantic liaison with William. And that's when, according to the British tabloids, that Kate put her foot down and said, we no longer want anything to do with these people. And they were back on track, her and William, but the deal was no Rose. And then now what people are speculating with all of this is that perhaps that affair never ended. And for whatever reason, this whole situation has erupted and Kate has put her foot down either saying I'm out of here or maybe has some sort of concession she wants from Prince William which they're not agreeing to. seen Rose in a while too. And they've speculated that maybe what made this erupt is that Rose is

pregnant with William's child. And that this is like, you know, you know, that maybe the reason she went to the hospital was a nervous breakdown and not a stomach issue. That, you know, who knows? But you have to wonder, you know, this is a, an organization with, you know, a floor of comms people working. And this has gotten so out of hand, it tells me that the professional comms people are not able to control the story because Kate is not cooperating as they had probably hoped that she would with the royal narrative. And all she has to do is say, I'm out. I'm not doing anything. And she doesn't have to go down in like the shady way that, you know, Diana did. She probably watched or saw and read how Diana handled her thing

and how it ended up in many ways working against Diana until her death. And her parents, Kate Middleton's parents, seem like they're very capable people who are, you know, a loving family and most have known exactly what was happening in that situation because everybody of that age group was following the Diana story because they're around the same age as Diana, would be if Diana was alive. And so they're probably able to protect Kate Middleton and allow her to get the upper hand in a way that Diana couldn't, because Diana really was on her own in the way that you described, Evita.

So this thing, I'll give you the final word on it, but that doesn't seem so out of, you know, doesn't seem so out there to me. It seems totally possible because there's no excuse or there's no reason if everything was hunky dory that you wouldn't even get on a Zoom call with just your face, even if you're, you know, undergoing recovery for something physical or whatever. You have a makeup team, you do your face, you get on a Zoom call, and you quell the questions. Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I think that the whole thing is very, very fishy. What I think is going to be frustrating for a lot of us who are following the story is that Kate Middleton is not Meghan Markle and she is not Princess Diana. This is a woman who does things behind the scenes. She's very, I think she's only spoken in public, you

know, a few times, less than five times, you know, has she actually said a word in public. She is a very private individual and somebody who does things behind the scenes. So what's unfortunate for a lot of us who are following the story is I think Kate wants to resolve whatever this is in private. And we're never going to really know what happened. I really believe that. I think Kate is different than Megan. I think Kate is different than Diana. And I'll also say as a closing thought, I think this is a testament to how important the queen was to keeping the royal family together and keeping this institution running because the second that she left, things have started to fall apart. This was a woman who was very capable, not just at being the head of her family, but also running this institution.

She was, you know, apolitical. She was on. She showed up to events. She was, you know, really just the most well-liked, famous person in the entire world and perhaps even in world history right this was an incredible woman and the second that she left i'm sorry the people that are now running um the royal family who are now in charge king charles especially um they are just not on the same level as her and we are yeah they don't you know what it is it'd be that they don't have the moral authority that the queen had and you know the the brits, you know, she never put a step in the, you know, always never put a step wrong. They say something to that effect, like she's always done the right thing. And what's fascinating is that Kate was very much like the Queen, though she has no royal blood and she's a commoner, was probably the most like the queen and really took that duty

very seriously. And if it's true that William is a cad like his dad and betrayed in a really humiliating way his bride, his wife, Kate, who was so dutiful to him and to the country and to the whole royal, you know, the whole monarchy, I think that the public will be on the side of Kate. They will see themselves more in Kate, maybe because she's a commoner, but also because they love the queen and they love that decorum and that sense of duty and that stoic sense of decency. And, you know, like you said, I find it fascinating that she has said only a few words, you know, a few times in public. So she's doing things fantasy. I think it shows she's savvier than Princess Diana. I think it shows she's savvier than Princess Diana.

And by the way, Camilla is one who never says anything, which is why I think she played her cards right, by the way. She was, you know, the other woman, she said nothing, did the royal duties, and now she's the queen. So, you know, for better or worse. And I just think it's all fascinating. I think you're right to point out the queen held it together and princess Kate is a different animal than all the other women players, um, in this royal family. And I, I, I would bet on Kate to be able to play this card, right. And get what she needs out of what looks to have been a terrible situation for

her. Yeah. And I just want to say also for the listeners, like this is something that I haven't heard talked about a lot, but Kate is missing. The kids are also missing. We don't know where the kids are either. Nobody, nobody's seen them. So if Kate's missing, why aren't they in school right now? What's going on with the kids? That's another indication that this is not just a nobody. So they haven't been in school during this time? No. So they have, the kids have been gone. We don't know where the kids are. Nobody's seen the kids.

I bet everyone's hiding out at Kate Middleton's parents' house. Everyone likes that house. Even William liked that house. Maybe they're all there. Well, we wish them all well. It's all very intriguing. Maybe, maybe the answer will be as simple as she's just recovering, but it sure is weird. And it's been fun talking about it with you, Evita. Thanks for enlightening us with your time. Really appreciate

it. And you can get more from the kitchen table. You can go subscribe to wherever you subscribe for your podcast. I have a little child who broke into the room just now and is holding a microphone, a fake microphone. I don't know where she got that. But anyway, I got to go because she just broke into the studio. All right, Evita, take care. Until next time, we'll see you at the kitchen table. Evita, take care. Until next time, we'll see you at the kitchen table.

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