From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Hollywood's Mission To Wokeify Classic Films

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

Sean and Rachel are joined by their daughter and writer at The Federalist Evita Duffy-Alfonso, as they share their reaction after taking the family to see the Barbie movie and weigh in on why they believe director Greta Gerwig decided to make the film about feminism.   Later, they discuss the controversy surrounding the upcoming Snow White live-action remake and share their thoughts on Hollywood rebooting classic films. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Oh, it's so good to hear from you sean i don't want to make you jealous but me and avita are sitting on the balcony at our beautiful cabin overlooking round lake on one of the most beautiful days we've had this summer and you're at the fox news studio yep rub it in rub it in you're in my happy place right now we literally if you don't i just said okay as soon as this podcast is over we're going to swim out to the little raft you bought us. I love it. Good for you guys.

Spend an hour laying out there. You know what? I'm going to live vicariously through the both of you and the rest of the kids at the cabin as I get to hang out in beautiful New York City. I know. I know. Well, you have the little security camera on your phone, so you could just watch us on the raft. I appreciate that.

Thank you. I can see you guys via video. Well, listen, we have a great topic because you know there's two things first we want to talk about snow white because that movie is coming out it's the same director as the director for barbie who you know hates barbie and also hates snow white we're gonna talk about some of the implications of that and something that went viral that the the star, the Snow White of the star of Snow White, Snow White character, what she said that went viral and what it says about the film and what we can expect. But first, let's go back to Barbie for a second, because we did a review on Barbie. We talked about how, again, it was it was directed by someone who hates Barbie and some of the bad messages. Again, it was it was directed by someone who hates Barbie and some of the bad messages.

I had to make a really tough decision. And I actually talked it over, not just with you, Sean, but with the Vita, because we were out here in Hayward. And, you know, the girls wanted to go see Barbie. And I after seeing it, I really actually decided that it would be a good teachable moment. So I went and saw it first and then I went back and saw it again with the girls. And boy, they got some lectures for me on the way home. But it was just so sad, again, to see that the first it was the first two thirds of the movie were amazing. I mean, Vida and I sat next to each other and we couldn't we just kept looking at each other because there were so many amazing things that they picked up. The set design, the costumes.

They, they really, I mean, whoever her team was that, you know, we're investigating how to present this in the best way that looked like, you know, the same dream house coming to life,

the cars, everything. It was just, there were so many little references. If you were just, we kept staring at each other and laughing. It so sparkly and so fun we we were just like encapsulated by the whole thing and of course the girls were too because they were little and this is like the perfect age to be seeing this giant dance number with barbie and her sparkly jumpsuit like you know and my god that

life-size dream houses it's just awesome so we're halfway you know we're my God, that life size dream houses. It's just awesome. So we're halfway, you know, we're halfway, maybe two thirds to the movie. And all of a sudden it turns from sparkly and amazing and pink and delicious to the patriarchy. And it's it goes off. And America Ferreira plays a woman, a mom, a kind of miserable mom who works at Mattel and has this really pathetic husband. And she gets into uh Barbie world she she crosses over that I guess what do they call it Evita the the um they call it some sort of word when you cross from the real world into back into Barbie world portal a portal comes back across the portal and she's in barbie world and she gives this big

patriarchal rant about how hard it is to be a woman and boy what a downer the movie was from that point forward yeah i i think this was just such an obnoxious moment where we were having all this fun and suddenly they we have to sit down for like this giant lecture and then the rest the rest of the movie is basically a continuation of that lecture. And I talked to the girls afterwards. And we were just like, gosh, there's this one scene with Barbie and then the founder of Barbie actress played playing the founder of Barbie. And it just felt like it lasted forever. As we were getting this, how hard it is to be a woman, but she ultimately makes, you know, a decision to leave Barbie land.

And it was just, it was the worst and it ruined so much fun. And I think it ruined, you know, it ruined what little girls want to go to the movie to watch. Yeah. It's an attack on childhood and fun and girlhood in so many ways, just kind of introducing all this. And by the way, okay. But I was going to say like, and this is dead, maybe you can you can speak to this. But this whole line of thinking

that it's so hard to be a woman in the world is ridiculous. It's hard to be human. That that's what that's what's hard. I mean, there are there are challenges that women face more than when men, and there are things that men face more than women going to war, being the guys that have to go out on the 70 foot, 70 story high buildings to wipe off the windows. I mean, those are things that being the construction workers working all day in the hot, like in the heat. I mean, women aren't doing those jobs. I mean, men have have really been at the forefront of building civilization and doing the brunt work to do it and also doing the brunt work for defending countries and so yes women have it hard men have it hard it's hard to be human and i think that this idea that women are you know have have it really really difficult to have all these problems in america where it's never been better to be a woman than

in america in the you know in the 21st century is just so, so stupid and silly to me. So you can look through human history and say, you know what? Yeah, women have had it hard, right? I'll see that point. Childbirth is hard. I will say that, especially without meds. I'm just going to put that out there. Of course.

And you might go, well, at some point women were in the home, but also men had been in the home. Men got out and then eventually women got out of the home. I don't know that culture is better off for that or families are better off for that, but I'm just going to speak from my perspective. And whether I look at Congress, business, the places that I have been, women are in places of a lot of power, more powerful than men. are in places of a lot of power, more powerful than men. And I've said this before, I go to graduations for a lot of kids, and whether it's elementary, middle, high school, or college. And when you look at who the honor students are, the ones that are getting awards,

and again, this is not scientific, but I would say anywhere from 85 to 90 percent of the students getting awards are not men. They're actually women. We're seeing more women go to law school and medical school, going into the sciences. And I think that the people who wanted to have that happen, I don't object to that. That's great. But they've accomplished that goal by trying to suppress and demonize men. And that's a problem. And now you see the impacts of that where you have a lot of young boys sitting in their basements, not motivated, not energized, not driven to take care of a career, which can take care of a family, which means then they're not motivated to should bad things happen to their country, stand up and fight to defend it. things happen in their country stand up and fight to defend it um you know it's funny it's funny you say that because you know they're saying men the whole premise of the movie is that there's this

patriarchy and so in barbie land women run the world but in the real world america lost specifically los angeles because that's where they land men were rule the world and that's sort of the message and ken comes to to barbie i mean to the real world. And he's like, wow, this is a place where men can be heard and seen. But the funny thing is, as you mentioned, so many women run Fox News. Women run all kinds of corporations and the Federalist Federalist where you were. They run Fox Business as well. Yes, exactly. And so at one point in the film the film almost has to acknowledge that and so they said there's this moment where one of the some guy and who runs a company says

yeah we're still running it but we're just doing a better job of making it look like we're not so it's like they the director has to admit that she's in the position she's in and women are achieving all these diversity quotas up to help women and women in business and scholarships for women and and all this stuff to promote them. And so, yeah, you're right. She has to acknowledge it. She has to say, OK, yeah, this is a thing. But men are still really in charge behind the scenes. Right. But by the way, how offensive is that to the actual women who have accomplished really great things in business? the actual women who have accomplished really great things in business to say, actually, you're not, you actually really didn't accomplish that because some man is pulling the puppet strings behind you. I mean, I got to tell you what, as accomplished, I know a lot of accomplished women who are in positions of power and influence, they would be wildly offended by that because

they're like, no one controls me. I'm a independent thinking human being. And I happen to be a woman and many of them happen to be moms as well who are like, go screw you. No, I don't. I make the decisions. I don't have men pulling my strings. Yeah. That's one thing. I think probably the most troubling thing, and this ties into, um, I think the Snow White story is that in the end, what you realize is that the message they send is that women and men don't should not co can't coexist together, that there's not, they're not compliment complimentary. And I say that because, you know, they never find in Barbie land a place for men and women.

It was either the women were in control and then, you know, Ken came and took over a bit with the patriarchy while Barbie was off in real world land. And then she comes back and they find a way to distract the, the Ken's and then the Barbies take over again. And it's not like, and,

and, and, and the, and the girl boss women run, run Barbie land again. And, and then in the real world, supposedly only men rule it, which is not true, but um and and then in the real world supposedly only men rule

it which is not true but but every man in the film including the the the america ferreira character's husband is he's like this total beta doofy guy um the men are either dumb goofy beta or evil like um the the heads of mattel there was not one respectable man there was not one good man and and and again this complimentary that men need women and women need men um was never there and then i'm gonna tell you what really this is the part that really ticked me off in the movie and that third again i was having so much fun for two-thirds of the movie and then And then when Barbie Land gets retaken by these new woke Barbies, Barbie's clothes changes and she's wearing this frumpy yellow dress and all the fabulous, amazing outfits that, of course, they took directly from Barbie's wardrobe through the years. And I'm telling you, Sean, if you love fashion, you will love what they did with Barbie, you know, for the first two thirds of the movie. How about if you don't love fashion?

Well, I'm going to tell you what. It was just such a delight to watch what they did with her shoes and her makeup and her. And I think Margot Robbie's pretty. Then you'll be OK. Yes. But anyway, and in order to be like, well, she just kind of looked frumpy and all the Barbies changed. All the Barbies after had like more sensible, like, like you remember they had she had to choose essentially between the high heels and these like birkenstocks and she ends up in the end when she chooses the real world and her

final decision of the movie is that she wants to be human she's in pink birkenstocks. So again, no high heels. I mean, there's nowhere for Latinas in this new woke. We just don't do Birks. I wonder if there's like a beauty point to be made there that like in order to be a respectable non-bimbo, right? Because that was the association with Barbie that she's really not doing much for feminism. She's brought us back so many years that in order to be a respectable woman, you have to also not be fashionable. Or downplay your beauty or not

accentuate it or I don't know. Right. Because somehow that's anti-feminist. It was that was troubling. So that, of course, then brings me. And by the way, on the way home, it was interesting. Evita and I and I sort of ended up asking the girls questions about what they thought about the movie. And I think the main lesson that I tried to to instill with them is that, first of all, Evita brought up every men have it hard. Women have it hard. Everybody has to, you know, work through these things. She made that point with them. And then I said, you know what? This idea that I said at the end of the movie, if I was the director, there is a Ken and Barbie and a wedding.

Ken and Barbie. It's I remember having that. My girls have had it. I said, Ken and Barbie never get married and and they would have been happy together. And marriage will make you happy. And finding the right person will make you happy. And you will find yourself in a family, in a marriage. That's how you find yourself

not by going off into some you know to some woke you know new reality that that this Greta Gerwig wants to create for us I think it's interesting Evita that the Greta Gerwig is also directing Snow White because she herself she's a Barnard College, you know, just everything you imagine from a woke white elite, you know, college graduate. And she has a partner, not a not a husband. And she has a baby now. And I guess she must not like marriage. And boy, does it come out in in Snow White. Why don't you set up the clip that the star of Snow White, this clip has gone viral,

even though it was filmed, she was interviewed last summer. Yeah, she was interviewed by Variety in like last September, but this clip has really made the rounds on social media and has really, I think, disillusioned people

to what's about to come next with this new Snow White adaptation, this live action adaptation of Disney's Snow White. Let's play that clip. You said you were bringing a modern edge to it on stage. What do you mean by that? I just mean that it's no longer 1937. And we absolutely wrote a Snow White that is...

She's not going to be saved by the prince. She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be dreaming about true love. She's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. And the leader that her late father told her that she could be if she was fearless, fair, brave and true. And so it's just a really incredible story for, I think, young people everywhere to see themselves in. Snow White is running for president. I'm launching my campaign.

OK, so a few things with that clip. First of all, her father doesn't die. So she said, so in the original Snow White, the Brothers Grimm's version, the father doesn't die. And also nowhere does he try to instill in his daughter, these political aspirations to be some fearless leader. That's not what Snow White is about at all. At all. And we can. You can actually go online. And read the Brothers Grimm's version. Which is what the 1937 cartoon is based on. But there are a lot of themes. That are quite transparently.

Going to be squashed out of this live action version. If you look online. And search up Snow White. Dwarfs. Live action film. You'll see that the dwarfs now. Are these multiracial. You know multigendered. Mult that the dwarfs now are these multiracial, you know, multigendered,

multi-size dwarfs, right? So they're not even really dwarfs. So a lot of dwarfs are now out of a job. Right, right. Exactly. It's gonna be a great opportunity. Little people are not going to get the job of the dwarfs, which would have been nice, actually. Yeah. So I so there's a lot of stuff that I have to say about this. But I wrote a piece on it in The Federalist. And I think that this is really a symbol of or another example of how the left likes to appropriate classic stories, classic fairy tales and and insert and repurpose them with with leftism. and repurpose them with leftism, right? All these diversity quotas, all of this female girl boss propaganda, right? And they do it on purpose to delegitimize the actual intended purpose of these stories.

Really, it almost seems like it's very Marxist, right? What Marxists like to do is sort of tear down everything that existed instead of building on it. Well, you take, for example, you know, Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, that's building on themes and stories that go back, you know, all the way to Greek mythology, even the Bible. Right. And then go ahead. Well, whereas Greta Gerwig just takes the names and is repurposing the whole story. Rewrites it into something that it never was intended to be.

Right. What does that do civilizationally? Right. It tears down the mythos that we have around Western civilization, right? So the Snow White story is connected to tons of different other stories, folk tales, and legends in Western Civ. So if you look at Snow White and you read it,

it actually has ties to the biblical stories of Cain and Abel to the fall. And of course, for those who don't remember Cain and Abel, that's a envy. Remember the queen wants to kill Snow White because she's so envious of, of her and her beauty and then the the the eating the apple of knowledge right which which snow white is tempted to eat the apple multiple times after being told not to and ends up dying right and in a way you are part of our

of man died when they ate the apple um and betrayed god so there's there's biblical themes there's also greek mythology that's that's baked into it. The story of a narcissist and echo is, is very, has a lot of similarities, right? He looked at himself and his reflection in the water, very similar to the queen looking at a reflection in the mirror, mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest, right? Yeah. So there's, there's so many interesting themes that are connected to Western Civ and our stories and that build on this shared culture that we have. And what the left does with this and with so many different stories that we have is basically dismantle them and reuse them for their own purposes. We'll have more of this conversation after this. I'm Ben Domenech, Fox News contributor, editor at large of The Spectator

and editor of the Transom.com daily newsletter. I'm inviting Domenech, Fox News contributor, editor at large of The Spectator and editor of the Transom.com daily newsletter. I'm inviting you to join in-depth conversations every week on the Ben Domenech podcast. Listen and follow now at FoxNewsPodcast.com. And also send a really negative message about about what it means to be a woman. I mean, so Snow White actually, when she goes into the, you know, when she goes into exile, the witch thinks that she's dead, right? The wicked stepmother thinks she's dead.

And she, you know, stumbles upon the house of the seven dwarves and they find her and they love her. And they, she ends up cleaning the house for them. And she didn't want to be a leader. She was cleaning the house for them while they went and worked in the mines to get the diamonds remember they worked in a diamond mine i mean somebody has to clean the house while somebody goes and you know works in the mines personally i would rather sweep the floors and clean the toilets for the dwarves and go into a mine shaft but somehow that's somehow that's just not good enough.

And again, this speaks, I think, Sean, to what Evita said about how there's this idea that women have to become like men, that what the men are doing must be better than what a woman might have to do. And that this division of labor is so unjust when it's not necessarily the case. As those poor little dwarfs are probably getting black lung from going down in the mine, Snow White gets to stay up and sweep the floors

with the clean, fresh air and birds singing and chirping all around her. Sounds pretty enjoyable. Just by the way, if anyone wants to hear a conversation about whether you're supposed to call them dwarfs or little people, you can pull up Representative Hank Johnson from Georgia, who gave a floor speech and how he was trying to apologize for the use of the term dwarf. And then in the apology used the word dwarf instead of little people. It's a great, it's a great video. It's classic. The best speech ever. It's so good. Well, it's the second best speech because the first best speech is the one where he asked the general of the military whether if too many troops got on the island of Guam, whether Guam would flip over. That is the best video. This is the second best Hank Johnson classics. That's a classic. is my thought on what Hollywood, what the Marxist liberal leftists want to put out, which is,

this is a fairy tale. The fact that you think you can live in a civilization run by women, and don't shoot at me, you guys, but listen, at one point, countries go to war, ideologies go to war. And if that ever happens, whether it's the Chinese or it's the Russians, they send men. And to think that the girl bosses are going to stand up, grab guns, put on camo uniforms, and go defend this country, not going to happen. It's men that are going to do that. You have a civilization that, to Evita's point, is based on the work and the death of men who have fought for freedom. And now you have this very small sliver of time where you can pretend like men don't exist. But it's only a small sliver of time because cultures like this will end up collapsing because men and women, they do complement each other. They do have different roles. And by the way, they shouldn't

be fighting each other, right? For women to elevate doesn't mean that men have to be suppressed. Denigrated, right? Yes. Thank you. Denigrated. But also the fact that we shouldn't fight each other. We should actually find love with each other. And God made us in a way that we're supposed to be together.

We're supposed to love each other and then get married and have families is the way it was intended. This is all an attack on that. They hate the idea that we're going to have families. It goes to the podcast we did yesterday, Rachel. Having families, having kids, having traditions, having faith is an affront to a leftist ideology that wants to indoctrinate our kids and our culture in a different viewpoint, a different view of the world that's contrary to what the faith and the family teaches. And so you have to destroy that. And one way to destroy families is to encourage young women not to have families, telling them they're going to be happier if they don't meet the Prince Charming. But Sean, she literally says, the star of this movie literally says,

Snow White's not going to be saved by a prince. Okay, I get that. Like, you know, we don't have to be saved. But then she goes on to say, she's not going to be dreaming about true love. Is that what we should tell our kids? Don be dreaming about true love. Is that what we should tell our kids? Don't dream about true love. Just be a leader as if being a girl boss is going to make them happy.

And that alone, don't dream about true love. It's so anti-human. But first of all, it's not going to happen. You look at all so many of these girl bosses who haven't had the wherewithal or haven't had the luck or haven't had the investment in their love life and in their family lives they're very unhappy um you know it doesn't mean you can't run a company and and be married and have children but what i'm saying is this idea that we're telling young girls in in in in the most basic first um stories we tell them like snow white that that's a bad thing to try and find, to look for true love,

to look for a husband, to desire to be married. These are very dark, negative messages to send to young girls. And ultimately, the most important thing, Sean, is they are lies. Maybe I'm antiquated. young girls and ultimately they're the most important thing sean is they are lies maybe i'm antiquated feminists have lied to women for centuries and and and and and you can look at all the happiness um you know uh statistics out there but more importantly just look at the pharmaceutical anxiety drugs that are being given to women right now because their their idea of happiness just doesn't

lead to happiness. So if maybe I'm antiquated, Ibita, you can swap me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm living in the late 80s and the 90s, but most young men and women work, make money, they buy clothes, and they go out at night in an effort to meet someone of the opposite sex. You might go, well, maybe it's for a hookup culture. But in the end, it is driven by a need to meet someone and we're wired in a way that we want to actually get married. Now, I think because of all this work to undermine that, you do have more hookup culture as opposed to the effort of going to find an actual spouse and get married and have a family and have kids. The rewiring has been working, but we have a, I mean, human history is made up of the stories of men and women, young men and women trying to find each other, find love and start what brings them this great happiness, which is the family and their children.

Yeah. I mean, I just, I just so worry about the story again, like I, I took the girls to the Barbie movie, we were able to talk about, you know, the messages, but I think for so many other young girls that this idea that you know, your worth is you being a leader, that, you know, Snow White, you know, sweeping the house and, and, and, and serving others in the way that she so beautifully did for the dwarves. So they could come home and have something to eat that this is somehow beneath women and a sign of the patriarchy and something that they should resist and fight against or else, you know, I just think these are so, so bad for civilization. I think what worries me, Evita, is that we have someone like Greta Gerwig, this director, who is, I mean, if ever there was a celebrated person in Hollywood, I think she might be the most celebrated figure in Hollywood right now. Every A-list star wants to work with her. Every movie studio wants to hire her. She's now been asked by Netflix to redo Narnia. I can't imagine a secular, feminist, radical like Greta Gerwig redoing

Narnia, which has so much of its mythology and ideas and morals and the story is so based in Christianity. It was already done so well by Disney in the movie. It was already

done so well. it was three of them that came out they were wonderful amazing why do we need to redo it and then you ask well just make your own story greta right and i and i wonder like narnia is a very christian story uh snow white has is a very western but also one that really reinforces gender norms. I have to imagine that Greta Gerwig hates Snow White and she hates Narnia. And yet she's taking it upon herself to remake these films. Now, why would she do that? It's totally Marxist. What's the purpose?

It's total. Well, she, listen, she, she coming from Barnard College, you can be sure was steeped in all this Marxist ideology, all this feminist radicalism. And this is their goal, to absolutely undo everything that was for its own sake. And yeah, why does she write her own story? Could it have something to do with the writer's strike that's in play right now? because they're redoing all of these stories she's been assigned this this this for over a year but they keep redoing all these old movies that were classics that people love and they want to make it into a a product a woke product that

hopefully there's we're going to bud light these these new movies that come out you guys did not participate in that effort you went to bar to Barbie and gave them your money, gave them our money. And then I know I just gave them our money. After you give them our money, then you have to get in the car and you have to try to rewire our own children against the message, reprogram the girls to go,

listen, let's talk about the movie, but try to try to enlighten them on the negative themes of the movie, which by the way, I think is really hard to do. Cause if, if what this movie is, what the way, I think is really hard to do. Cause if, if what this movie is, what you say,

it's so attractive. Oftentimes the messages of those movies are really hard for moms and dads to try to rewire in the car ride home after the movie challenging. Listen, I agree. It's not going to be undone in a car ride. These are going to have to be constant conversations because this message is everywhere. You know, it's like trying to put the, it's trying to like to be constant conversations because this message is everywhere.

You know, I, it's like trying to put the, it's trying to like, it's like playing whack-a-mole, you know, you, you,

so you don't, you know, you try and deal with Barbie and then Snow White comes up and, and this comes up and Narnia comes up. I mean, it's all over the place. And so all you can do is, so I'm just going to say this with Barbie,

cause you bring up a good point. I did give our families hard earned income to these, these woksters there is probably no toy that is more beloved in the duffy house than barbie um there are so many barbies in our house i grew up on barbie my favorite christmas um i pray i told no one i didn't even tell write a list to santa what i wanted i literally prayed one. I didn't even tell write a list to Santa of what I wanted. I literally prayed to God that I would get Barbie everything. And I don't know how it happened. But that year, I woke up. I'm sorry, we went to midnight mass, I came back from midnight mass. And our living room was that bright pink everywhere. I mean, I got all I never got the dream house, but I got all the furniture,

the doll, the car. I mean, it was, it the most magical moment for me because I know I had never told anybody just how much I wanted all of those Barbie things and just Barbie. And pretty much just Barbie is all I got. I have such such amazing memories of Barbie. All our kids are as as the kids got older, there weren't even really baby. We have a ton of baby dolls, but no one plays with them. They go from like, you know, toddlers right to Barbie. Now they don't even go to baby dolls. And although, you know, I see a Valentina playing with baby dolls more probably than the other little girls.

But it's just Barbie. So beloved. It was so hard. I mean, the begging. And so I just thought, you know what, let's go, let's, let's, let's say because it's not going to stop. They want Barbie. And so we watch it and you're right. It's, but this is what I walked away. I walked out of the theater and I looked at Evita and I said, I'm so mad.

I'm so mad that Mattel puts me in this position where I've been such a loyal customer. And I feel this way about Disney. And of course, the Snow White movie where I have given them so much money and trust and and invested so much in in their in the original idea of these companies. And then they put us in this terrible position where, you know, our girls want to consume it, but you know, it comes with, it comes with Greta Gerwig. Yeah. I'll just say just quickly, if you look at the, how we, what you say about men, it's, it's okay for men to not be CEOs. We have a lot of movies about men who are cops and men who are firefighters and men who are construction workers to put boots on every single day that make our country work and earn work hard, earn a living and support their families. But again, for for women, we have to make them girl bosses. Yeah, it's it's I also

just worry, Sean, just not just that they have to be girl bosses, but that the denigration that comes from serving and ultimately we're all called to serve our families in very different ways, whether it's by bringing home a paycheck, sweeping the floor, washing the dishes, cooking a home-cooked meal, making our houses warm and inviting for everyone who comes into it. These are beautiful things. And I think Snow White in particular really embodied that spirit. And somehow our culture has decided that that's not good, that that's a symbol of the patriarchy. Can I ask one quick question to the both of you? If you don't want to say something really quick. Oh, no, go ahead, Dad.

So let's say someone goes to the movie or a mom brought their child, their daughter to the movie. With these themes, what advice do you have for rewiring, for talking to kids about what they actually saw and what it means and how do you put it into perspective in a way that's positive for your young daughter who just saw this movie? What advice do you have? My first thought is probably what what i what i brought up to them i said you guys remember barbie a wedding barbie and wedding ken and they were like yeah they all love that um barbie and ken box that you know they saw him and say you know barbie and ken are actually meant to be together they're meant to be married. And that's a great thing. And instead of this message that this movie is sending, that Barbie has to leave Barbie land and go strike out on her own, because, you know, Ken's part of the patriarchy. It's just not a recipe for happiness. And I

literally said that I said, what will make you happy is to, you know, find somebody who loves you and and that you love and that you can make a family together. That's what makes people happy in the end. And and that's sort of what I said. I don't know if you remember anything else from the conversation, Evita. I mean, my big thing is that being a human is hard. And so this idea that women are the only ones that have it bad is is false and stupid and have a monopoly on pain and suffering it's just silly but also something that bothered me that mom touched on is how bad they made all men look like they were just the butt of the joke the whole time like just men are

idiots if you were an alien you came to came to earth and all you saw was the barbie movie you would think men are freaking stupid yes and i i think that that first of all it's it's perpetuating a lot of animosity between the sexes right amen women see that and they they think it's okay to denigrate and just disrespect men and then men see that and they feel like crap. So I'd say respect for people is really important. Yes. Irrespective of what their gender is. And you should judge people based on their actions. Right. And who they actually are as a person instead of these really silly, you know, fake conceptions of the patriarchy and masculine and toxic masculinity. of the patriarchy and masculine and toxic masculinity. Yeah. And I think that you will with with older kids like, you know, we have we had one that was 13. I'm sure the patriarchy stuff went over Margarita's head. She's she's nine. But I think anyone over the age of 13, you may have to

you know, you probably have to explain what the patriarchy means to to feminists, you know, and maybe give, you know, examples of times where maybe, you know, that was an issue. We, we need to be acknowledged the fact that we live in America and 2023. And that's simply not the case. And the movie, and I pointed out to the points where in the movie, they actually had to acknowledge that again, the movie got dreary boring boring, and wasn't made for little girls after about halfway to two-thirds of the movie. It was really sad.

Our kids, with us or without us, are going to get these themes through the course of their education, through just the culture, whether it's social media, from their friends, if they go to college, they're going to see these themes and to talk about them maybe early and using Barbie to do it might be a positive, it could be a positive development where you're able to do some rewiring and preparation, lay some Teflon down with your kids about what the culture is trying to do to them and take the good, the beauty of the movie, but also understand the messaging that's really negative and how they need to see that, understand it, not just in Barbie, but other points of their life. You could be developing good young conservatives by way of conversations through the Wolf Barbie movie.

Or just happy people. Or just happy people. I think probably, Sean, to end it, I would say the most important thing you can do is just show through your actions what what a good, strong, happy marriage family can be. And then the messages from really joyless feminists who hate marriage like Greta Gerwig won't really have the power that they hope they can get with the millions and millions of dollars they've invested into these kinds of cultural propaganda tools. I think that's probably the best takeaway. Ladies, thank you for this great conversation on Barbie and also on the coming Snow White movie. We will stay tuned to that. I know you have a nice lake calling you and a swim in your future. I do not. I have the bottom line, by the way,

on Fox Business 6 to 7. If you don't check it out, you should. It's a great show, Dagan and Duffy. But thank you for bringing the topic up. It was not as painful as the Royals, but not necessarily my jam, but I appreciate the smart conversation you both bring to the kitchen table.

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this very topic of Snow White in The Federalist. Make sure you check that out. Super smart piece. All right. Have a good night, everybody. Thanks for joining us. Bye, everybody. Bye.

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