From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - How Marriage Brings You Purpose, Plus The Lessons Learned From The Coronation

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

What advice could a two-time Super Bowl Champion give to graduates entering the world? Sean and Rachel react to a commencement speech by Kansas City Chief's Kicker, Harrison Butker, where he urges graduates to start a family. Plus, they reminisce on moments from their 24 years of marriage.   Later, they share their thoughts on King Charles III's coronation, talk about who was the best dressed out of the Royal family, and analyze what can be learned from Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's relationship.   Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With Uber Reserve, you can book your Uber ride in advance. 90 days in advance. Perfect for all you forward thinkers and planning gurus. Reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. Uber Reserve. See Uber app for details. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. So good to be back, Sean.

And today we're going to talk about a couple things. We're going to get to the coronation because that was a big deal. I'm excited. So excited. I spent five hours on the couch of Fox & Friends watching it last Saturday. So I got the whole scoop on it. I was live-tweeting during it. I thought the coverage was great from Fox News that day from Ainsley and Piers and Martha McCallum. And we're going to get to that because there's a lot of juicy stuff that's happened even since then. But let's first start with this commencement address by a NFL football player, Harrison Butker, saying that we should

prioritize family. It was kind of a controversial message. So Butker's wildly successful. He has two Super Bowl rings, plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. But before that, he played at Georgia Tech. So Butker went back to Georgia Tech and gave a commencement speech. And handsome, manly guy. Catholic, two kids. Catholic, that's right. And you might have seen this on TV, but I was somewhat shocked at the message that he gave when delivering this commencement speech. So let's take a look at it right now. And I'm running the tech here, so let's see if we can find that.

A lot of young adults feel a sense of loneliness, anxiety, and depression, despite technology that has connected us more than ever before. It would seem the more connected people are to one another, the more they feel alone. I'm not sure the root of this, but at least I can offer one controversial antidote that I believe will have a lasting impact for generations to come. Get married and start a family. Wow. I will say this is the most important ring I have right here. It's fantastic.

He's wearing a Super Bowl ring, and he has his wedding ring, and he said one of them is more important than the other, and it is his wedding ring. It's interesting. You and I have been talking a lot about dating and connection and marriage on this podcast and family a lot. The idea that this tech connection is not an authentic connection. It's just not the same as a real live person next to you. And I think that's a message young people need to hear over and over and over again.

And again, there's so many people in our country and our community that give the opposite message to have, especially for young men. And again, maybe if I'm being very general, women may be more into marriage than men are, especially at those young ages. But getting less. a really great thing for them to get married. And so to have, you know, a two-time Super Bowl champ, you know, an amazing kicker, deliver that message to young men, especially who, because again, he probably has more credibility with young men, but, and with women too, but get married, start a family. And if you look at people being lonely and detached, this cancer that's kind of infiltrating the mental health of America, a very simple solution, a very old solution, a very ancient solution. It is ancient. Have a family, have kids, and that might remedy a lot of the issues that ail you in your life. Are you saying, Sean,

that if I feel lonely and disconnected, I shouldn't up my social media engagement. I should actually go out and meet people and date people and maybe get married and have a family. Are you saying that you want to go date people and meet people? What are you saying? No. What I'm saying is I stop using my phone. I stop using my phone. I'm not confused by that.

I guess, you know, that is the message that people get. Like, you know, I am more, I'm a greater person if my Twitter or Facebook or Instagram account or, you know, that is the message that people get. Like, you know, I am more, I'm a greater person if my Twitter or Facebook or Instagram account are, you know, if I have more likes, I'm more viral. How many followers do I have? It's not going to fulfill you. It doesn't. So he went on in this commencement speech to give some other really good advice. And I want to play that for you guys now. good advice. And I want to play that for you guys now.

Accomplishments mean anything compared to the happiness I have found in my marriage and in starting a family. My confidence as a husband and father, and yes, even as a football player, is rooted in my marriage with my wife, as we leave our mark on future generations by the children we bring into the world. How much greater of a legacy can anyone leave than that? Yeah, these are the things that last, right? And we talk about that a lot as well. Your kids, your family, that's your legacy. We talk a lot about how corporations don't love us. Your job is a wonderful thing to like and love, and hopefully you have one that you do. But ultimately, all it is, for me, all my job is when you really bring it down to brass tacks here,

my job is a paycheck so I can have time to spend with my family and feed them and take care of them. That's what it is for me, ultimately. But his job is a paycheck as well. But what he says here is, my wife, my family makes me better at my job, which is being an awesome kicker. And I think you and I have talked about this a little bit, but we're better at our jobs. I was a better congressman. I was a better DA because I had you by my side. Listen, I don't know how many opening statements and

closing arguments I made you listen to when I was a, especially a young prosecutor. Yes. And you'd be like, that doesn't make any sense. I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't know. I can't follow it. I'm like, okay, let's, I have to redo it. Right. And same with me. I mean, how many, you know, when I remember starting off at Fox and Friends, it's one of the hardest shows to figure out how to do because it's a four hour show. It is the hardest show to do at Fox. It is. There's just so many moving parts. And I'm a slow learner. And it took me a while. And Sean, you would help me. And we would practice how I might do my top of the hour. I had a breakdown how you have to prep for the show. Yes, you did. Yeah, he actually revolutionized the way I prep for my show. But also, I think just the lived experience. Forget the technicality of

how we do our job, right? How you do an opening statement for your court case or how I introduce a segment on Fox and Friends. I'm better able to process and understand everything that's coming through in my job because I have children so what's happening in the news really matters to me because I have kids and I have a stake in this in a way that somebody maybe who doesn't have kids does I have a stake when I hear stories about what they're doing in schools when I hear about war in Ukraine and our government being pulled into it, I have a stake in that. I feel that. I also think that families are where we learn to be. We learn about ourselves, we learn about how to be, you

know, less selfish, more patient, more giving, more of a servant. These are all the things that we live. You learn about yourself and a family and about other people. Well, I think, again, when you're young and you get your freedom for the first time, you leave your parents home and you're off in college, maybe you have a summer job, maybe you have a job during college as well. And then when you're out of college and you have some of those working years and you're single, there's a lot of freedom and there's a lot of time to be self-centered and self-absorbed. And that's actually, that's pretty, a great part of growing

up. And you really never go back to that time and it's, you should enjoy it while you can do it. But if you live a life where you're just self-centered and self-absorbed, it truly will be unfulfilling. And it's stunting. And the message here is actually, if you want true happiness, if you want peace, you do find that by that by giving to others, sharing yourself with others, whether it's with your wife or your kids. And listen, kids aren't always easy. They're changing diapers, and they're new, and they're up at night, and they're waking you up, and you're exhausted. And to the older ones that have a whole different set of problems than the babies. But it's a big part of your life, and you give to that.

And it's amazing. When you do that, you give, you actually are healthier mind-wise. I mean, you're not depressed. You're not having anxiety. And so, again, I just think these concepts have been true for eternity. And we've lost sight of that. And again, we have a culture that says, you know what? Don't do the family.

Don't date. Don't have kids. Focus on your job. Focus on yourself. Focus on your bank account. All the things that will make you miserable in your life, as opposed to focus on the true things, as you've always said, the things that last. The things that matter, which truly is your family and your marriage and the love that you create in your life.

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting how his message is so counter-cultural right now. I mean, this commencement address maybe, you know, 50 years ago would have been pretty unremarkable. 50 years ago would have been pretty unremarkable. But it is totally countercultural, and it's gone viral because somebody telling 20-year-olds to go out and get married and have babies is the opposite message that young adults have been hearing. They've been hearing, for example, from Sheryl Sandborn, the former COO of Facebook, who wrote that book that became sort of like the

Bible for the professional female class called Lean In. And so she would go, in fact, she had a commencement address where she told the women in this at the graduation to put your foot on the gas pedal, professionally speaking, and don't let up. That, you know, you had to go, go, go professionally. That was the most important thing you could do. And then you could think about marriage and kids later. And, of course, that was a very dangerous message that ended up leaving a lot of women unhappy, anxious, without children. If you wait too long, that happens. And also, let's be frank, because we talk a lot about the dating world on this podcast.

You wait too long to find that person in your life. The pool of good, great guys gets smaller and smaller and smaller. It gets harder to find. The good ones are picked up. And so I always say, you know, I am like the anti-feminist out there. And if you know me in the Fox building, if you're under 20, under 30, I should say, in that range, and you're single, and you're a friend of mine in that building, I've probably had the conversation with you where I've told you to prioritize your love life over your professional life. I'm kind of known for that. Because I really believe that it is the opposite of what our culture is telling you, and it is the key to happiness. So the pool of mates at 22, you might be able to access like 95, 98% of the pool, right?

Because maybe 2% are married at 18. At 25, maybe you're down at 85%. At 30, you're down at 70%. You wait to 35, you're like, most everyone's taken. And then to find a good one when the pool is that much smaller isn't easy. But here's what I think. And life's unfair, by the way, Sean, because guys, they're a pool of women because it's just, that's just life, right? I mean, yeah, there are some cougars out there that land some hot young guys. But if we're being realistic, guys have a greater pool of younger women for a longer period of time.

So you're saying you can be 30 and reach back into that young 22-year-old pool where you're the 90%? Or you could be 40 and still dating a 29-year-old. It's harder for a 40-year-old woman. To date a 29-year-old? Yeah. I mean, it happens. If you're as hot as Demi Moore, I guess it happens. But here's my point.

So these messages hold off. Put your foot on the gas pedal. You'll be happy if you focus on these other things. Be selfish. It's interesting because the people that say that, for the most part, are pretty smart. And they know this is not good for you, good for your happiness, good for your mental state, but they promote it anyway. And the question is, why are you telling me to do something that's not going to make me happy?

And again, I think- Do you have an answer for that? Well, a couple answers. Number one, you can be a better Marxist soldier if you're not married. You're right. But also, then this is- Like a better employee? Or someone better in the Marxist movement. Oh, you can be a better activist for, okay, gotcha, I gotcha.

But not only that, if you look at just the polling, you'd say, well, married women are more conservative than single women. Yes. Married women are more conservative than single women. Yes. And if you have more women that aren't married, you have a better chance of making sure they're part of your Democrat, communist, socialist movement. And so I think there's a political reason behind why they push that. Yeah. Yeah, it's true that women, when they get married, become more conservative, are more likely to vote conservative.

That's why they're that suburban female swing boat that, you know, everyone wants. And that's why if you're a single woman and, you know, 40 years old, you're a better partner for the state. You know, you've bought in more to the state and the relationship that you have. They might help you with your health care. They're going to help you with your retirement. They're going to help you if you fall on hard times. You want a big safety net there to help you out. Where if you're married, you look to the safety net of a family,

the safety net of your spouse or your kids. And I think, again, that's far more reassuring in the family setting versus not having the family and looking at the state for animation. Remember when I ran into that priest, I think I was on my seventh or eighth baby. I was pregnant. He was a Mexican priest. And we were talking and he said, oh, this is your seventh or eighth baby. I'm like, yeah. And he goes, oh, that's so wonderful, Mexican social security. You're never going to be alone, Rachel. And that's true. My chances of getting taken care of by people who love me are pretty good with nine kids, assuming you might die before me. I don't know how that works. There's those statistics.

Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just going to say, I think that it could also be that the people who are promoting don't have kids. You know, we did a podcast. But they're not happy. Exactly. And they just have a different value system is what I was going to say. So what is your definition of happiness?

My definition of happiness is when I look at my phone and I scroll down at who I talked to in the last week, it's like Sean, my mom, my sister, my kids, my oldest kids. It's all my family. And so to me, the people I want to be around, that's happiness to me. But for some people, maybe money makes them happy. I mean, we did that story, Sean, on dinks. I don't know if you've ever heard of dinks, but they are dual income, no kid families. And they post on TikTok these videos showing how amazing their life is because they can sleep in and they can make themselves lattes and they can plan, you know, at 11 o'clock that they're going out to dinner with their friends and then they're doing this and they're doing that and there's no kids and there's no messes and there's no diapers

and there's none of that. And for some people, that is happiness. And so maybe it's just determining what is happiness for you. Now, if you look at happiness studies, they'll show you that people who are married with kids are the happiest people. But maybe that's also why they're poor. Let's be fair. If you just lay that out, I'm like, I got no sleep and I'm changing diapers and I'm exhausted. It sounds horrible, doesn't it? Yeah, that sounds... Except then you get a hug from a kid. Or I woke up in the morning and I slept in and I'm rested and I had a latte and I went for a walk. I'm like, you lay those two things out. I'm like, I actually, maybe I would like to be a dink myself. For like a weekend.

And then you'll get bored, right? But in the end, in the long run, being a dink will not make you happy. And actually, the sacrifice of getting up in the middle of the night, changing poopy diapers, having, you know, a three-year-old pee in your bed. Having a four-year-old kick you all night long because they won't get out of your bed. That, for some reason, God made us really weird. That gives you joy in the long run. It really does. Because they do eventually get out of diapers.

And you get to do stuff with them, too. And there is a, I mean, the most recent example that I think you and I can, and it's nice to have the perspective that we have. We've been married 24 years, 24 years, and nine kids. And we did a big family vacation not too long ago, a few months ago. And Sean, you know, spent months planning this, and we all went. And it was wonderful. months planning this and we all went. And it was wonderful. And there were just so many moments where you and I, because we didn't have work and we didn't have to, you know, all the day-to-day run, we were able to kind of pull ourselves just a little bit outside of what was happening

and kind of look down on what we had created. I think there was a moment where all of our kids and my oldest daughter's husband and my oldest son's girlfriend, who was with us at the time, and all of our little kids are all in a hot tub at 1130 at night. And we had gone off to sneak away and have a little bit of sushi alone. then we went and found them and they were all in that hot tub and there was no room for other people it was literally we took over our family took over the hot tub because at that point there would have been 11 people 11 of them and um is that right yeah and we came upon it and we we were and they were talking and they were helping each other and they were laughing. And there was just this this just so much relational stuff going on there.

And it was so intergenerational because like interage, because there was like little ones and older ones. And we just kind of looked at each other and we're like, all right, this is why we did it. We'll have more of this conversation after this. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights. To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. See Uber app for details. As a Fizz member, you can look forward to free data, big savings on plans,

and having your unused data roll over to the following month. Every month. At Fizz, you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply. Details at Fizz.ca. So a couple points. Number one, just to be clear, there was only 10 because we did not take Valentina with us. Yeah, that's why we were so relaxed.

Valentina was with my parents. You got to fight about that. Rachel wanted to take Valentina. I did. I not take Valentina with us. Yeah, that's why we were so relaxed. That's right. Valentina was with my parents. You've got to fight about that. Rachel wanted to take Valentina. I did. I wanted to bring her with me. And I was, hell no, we're not taking Valentina. It would have been really hard to do this vacation and have those moments if she had been there. That's true.

And she would have enjoyed it. In a couple years, she'll be able to. And also, in the course of life, when you're 25, 35, 45, your world is pretty broad. Yeah. Whether it's in your work, in your friends. But as you get older, you'll hear people talk about this, their world becomes smaller. Their friend group, their family group gets smaller. And maybe as they retire, and they lean back into their families.

And that gives them a lot of joy. And if you think about the later part of your life, if you don't, when your world starts to get small and you haven't created this other thing, you're kind of lonely. You're by yourself. Yeah. Yeah. We had, you're able to be a dink and go have, you know, that latte in the morning. Now you're a little bit older and it's like no one's around. And I don't have that many friends anymore because maybe they had families and they're off with their

family down in florida and you're you know still in the city and you know going for a lot about your family in in hayward wisconsin sean is the 10th of 11 kids and his parents go down to the coffee shop every single day in the little hometown. And inevitably, you know, two to eight people, you know, older adult kids will show up to have coffee. More on the weekend, less during the weekday. Yeah. But there's always at least a couple who come to join the parents for coffee every single day at the coffee shop.

And that is a beautiful thing. And that's why when our kids fight, sometimes they'll fight with each other. Or we'll see them sometimes place a friend over another sibling. And I always say to them, listen, you're not going to believe me now. But your best friend is going to be your brother or your sister when you grow up. And all these other friends that you have in high school, you might be still friends with some of them. But for the most part, as you get older, your best friends are your family. And you're right.

Your world gets smaller. And that's your tribe, right? That's who you are. Yeah. And I think it's interesting. Some siblings do grow apart. But as parents, I think it's – and you do this very well. But the focus to go, hey, listen, we're going to try to make sure that we cultivate those bonds

and cultivate that love. And it's not always easy. The kids are fighting, and they want to look to their friends at school. But it's the bonds that you help foster with those kids that, again, last a lifetime, which is really wonderful. When you have a lot of kids, you don't have to do a lot of playdates either. So their playmates are pretty much in this house. We have some great neighbors across the street with kids around the same age, so they play with them a lot.

But I think for the most part, yeah. And again, I want to also make the case for a lot of kids because that's also very countercultural these days. People are always shocked that we have nine kids. But when you were growing up on your street, a lot of Irish Catholics. A lot of big families, eight kids, five kids. We were the biggest. We had 11 kids. And, again, now it's kind of odd to see.

What's the waterbed example that you gave? Oh, there was that comedian Gaffigan or whatever his name is. He's a Catholic dad with, I think, five or six kids. And he says that when people see, you know, big families, it kind of is like, you know, back in the day, people thought waterbeds, you know, everyone had a waterbed. Everyone wanted a waterbed. It was kind of cool. But, like, when you see big families, it's like seeing waterbeds now. It's like, what?

It's kind of weird, kind of a weird thing. I think, actually, Sean, it's coming back. Big town was cool back in the day, not so cool anymore, just like waterbeds. I think it's coming back. When I go, I'm seeing more and more families getting bigger and bigger. I think it's a beautiful thing. I think there's a case to be made that, again, these bigger families are really a protection. We talk about this a lot. A protection from the influence of the state, right? Yeah, totally.

And we talked about phones a lot. And again, we talked about the dangers of phones for kids, which is true. But adults, like this can happen to us, you can get sucked into your phone. And just even for your job. There used to be a time when your job was from 8 to 5, whatever your hours were, you worked it, but then you were off or you had the weekend off. Yeah. And now you get sucked into work at any hour of the day and on the weekend. Or you get sucked into Twitter or Instagram or Facebook.

That suck-in is very dangerous, I think, for couples and for families. And I always remember going, hey, this is meaningless. This does not make me happy. And the things that last are not in here. They're in the relationship that you build. Which is what Harrison Butker was saying, that this tech connection is not authentic. What's really authentic and what really will last are your family bonds. So get married, have kids. And if you care about money, if you care about your personal success, the answer to that success is not being self-centered and living for yourself. You will have more success, more money,

more opportunity if you get married and have a kid or kids, right? No, listen, there is a lot of data to back that up. I mean, you can look it up. I've done talks on this, by the way. So if you're selfish, have kids too. If you're selfish, get married. No, they've absolutely proven that they followed men who are single and men who get married and men who get married and have kids end up wealthier.

Obviously, there's a lot behind it. Some think it's because the pressure to provide gets more real when you get married and have a kid. It is real. Other people say, and this is interesting, that another component, very hard to measure, but they say it's part of it, is that when you're plotting and sort of strategizing your career, two minds are better than one. So the way that you're going, what do I want to do? What's my next step professionally? You've got this, in your case, smart wife who is helping you think this through.

And that two minds are better than one. It works both ways. So that's another component. It's a little harder to measure that, how much of that is part of it. I'm a lot more driven. I'm a lot more driven than I was thinking for myself and about myself, maybe about you too. But I'm a lot more driven when I have to think about I've got to help my – I want to be sending our kids to a Catholic school. I want to be able to pay for the Catholic school because I think that's so important.

We preach that all the time. I've got to think about that. I can't just buy a little car. I have to get a Suburban so I can take all my time. I've got to think about that. I can't just buy a little car. I have to get a Suburban so I can take all my kids. I've got to think about that. I've got to think about kids that are getting older and going to college, and do I have some resources to help them out? I don't pay for all their school.

We don't do that. But can we help them out with college? I have all these girls, and I have weddings. There's a lot of things that I've got to hit the house. Can I tell the wedding story? I have to hit the house, right? I've got to pay the electric bill. I've got to hit. Can I tell the wedding story? I have to heat the house, right? I've got to pay the electric bill. I've got to put food on the table.

That stress is really motivating and wonderful for men to dig in. And it's interesting because the differences between the sexes. So I sometimes don't appreciate how much Sean carries that burden, right? It's true. I hate thinking about money. I like spending it. I just don't like thinking about it. I don't mind making it, but I just don't like to think about it.

So one time, this must have been, oh, my God, how many years ago was this that we were at Christina's wedding? It must have been eight years ago. Maybe more than that. Maybe as much as 10 years ago. Well, so a veto, yeah, I think it was 10 years ago. Yeah, it was about 10 years ago. So we have a niece. This is my niece, Christina, and his sister, Peggy, is married to Bruce, and they have only one daughter.

And so, of course, you know, we went to their wedding. It was amazing. It was at a vineyard in, I think, Malibu. And it was awesome. And we were just having, I mean, this wedding, they just, like, they didn't hold back. They blew the socks off. Yeah, they blew the socks. We were having such a great time.

We brought all of our kids, and they were part of the wedding. And we were in this vineyard, and we're having a great time. And the food is amazing. I mean, your sister Peggy, she knows how to throw parties. She does. They just, it was amazing. And I'm having a great time. And I look over at Sean.

And it's his family. And there was this look of anxiety on his face. And I was so confused. And I was looking at him. And I was thinking, like, how you doing, honey? And then he kind of looked at me. He goes, so how much do you think this wedding costs? thinking like how you doing honey and then he kind of looked at me he goes so how much do you think this wedding cost and it was at that moment I first I was

like confused I'm like what are you thinking about that we're just having fun and we're about to get dancing and I realized in Shawn's mind he was thinking this is one I have said you know now yes six at time, you had five girls. Yeah. I have five girls. I'm going to have to do five weddings. That never even occurred to me in that moment. Our oldest child was 10 years old at the time. 13, yeah. I was like, what is going on?

But anyway, that's the way guys are meant. And that means you knew that. That means you have to think harder on how you're going to make this happen. And I think that's made you a better man. Because more people rely on me. Right? They rely on you, too, a lot. But, I mean, at that point, it relies on me to make that happen.

And so, again, I think that's great for men. And so it goes back to my point. If you're selfish and you want a bigger bank account and to be more successful, a wife and kids will help you with that, which is what Butker said. He's like, I'm a better kicker because of my wife. Yeah. And he said his wedding ring was more important than his Super Bowl rings. Good Catholic guy. We'll have more of this conversation after this.

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Yes, we can. That was a nice transition. It is a good transition. So, okay, first of all, like I said, it was Fox & Friends Saturday. I came in and I was there on set as everything was taking place in London. In case something goes wrong, you were there. In case something goes wrong, I was in hair and I was there on set as everything was taking place in London. I was there just in case something goes wrong. In case something goes wrong, I was in hair and makeup sitting on the couch waiting.

I never said a word during the whole time because I was just there in New York. And so I got to take it all in, and I'm going to tell you what. By the way, I did not. I was sleeping and didn't give a damn. He was sleeping hard. I was trying to text him and tell him what was going on, and he did not care. So I just started to live tweet because I was trying to text him and tell him what was going on and he did not care. So I just started to live tweet because I was fascinated. Okay. So here are some of my thoughts that I was,

first of all, Princess Kate looked, I mean, it just was breathtaking. It was perfection. The headband crown, that blue regal coat with the red and white ribbons. I mean, it was perfection. She looked more like a queen. I'm sorry, Camila looked very uncomfortable, not very beautiful and queenly. She's not my type. Now, look at this. Look at this photo here.

And look at, and by the way, there were other. So some are listening. Some are listening. Okay, so you see Princess Kate. I'm sorry, I never looked at William. He just sort of, he melted into the scenery. He just didn't have it for me. But the kids.

But the children. Oh, my God. They also had, like, little Charlotte who looks, she's the spitting image of the queen. She had a sort of matching mommy and me outfit. She had a sort of matching Mommy and Me outfit, white, both Alexander McQueen, who is Princess Kate's favorite designer, and she had the matching little headband, little Louie. The whole thing was, I mean, to die for. Let's talk about, before we get to Harry, I want to talk about British fashion. It's brutal. It's not easy to pull the fashion off because you have hats and they want you to wear this

sort of British traditional formal gear. It's not easy to pull off. Some people look like evil stepsisters, but some people pulled it off. And no one pulled it off better than Queen Leticia who had this straw sort of round hat some people said it looked like an IKEA lampshade I'm sorry I think Sean thought it did I thought it could it could be I thought she looked amazing it was this beautiful pink matching pink pumps I got Melania vibes off of this that is I by the way the nicest things I've ever said about a

socialist because Queen Leticia is a hardcore horrible socialist but she off of this. That is, by the way, the nicest things I've ever said about a socialist, because Queen Leticia is a hardcore, horrible socialist. But she looked amazing. And now let's go to Prince Harry. So Prince Harry showed up. He wanted to wear his uniform. He's the only one that actually was in the military, Sean. But of course, they said, no, you couldn't, because it was like a month long negotiation about what they could and couldn't do in the military, Sean. But of course they said no, you couldn't. Because it was like a month-long negotiation about what they could and couldn't do in the end. Meghan didn't get what she wanted

in the negotiation of what she needed in order to attend. So she stayed behind and Harry went alone. They put Harry in the sixth row behind his aunt, Princess Anne, who had this giant feather plume that covered his face the whole time. He looked miserable.

Apparently, Meghan Markle did not pack him a steamer because now that he's not a royal, a working royal, he doesn't get a valet to steam his suit. So he looked a little wrinkled in the Dior suit. Let me go back to that. Let's see what you think there, Sean. Yeah, he does look a little wrinkled, a little disheveled. He looks a little wrinkled, he looks a little unhappy, a little disheveled. Some people said his laughing was inappropriate during the ceremony because he was uncomfortable.

Some said he might be high. But here's the question I have for you. Some did. Some thought he might be high. Was it a mistake? I know he only stayed for 24 hours. But there was a conversation about was it a mistake for Meghan not to come? Was it a mistake for Harry to only stay 24 hours?

Did she make him come back so soon? And I think we all felt like he looked regretful there. So first off, let's be clear. I didn't watch this and i have no opinion so you asking me questions is it wrong should it okay in this situation so you tell so answer your own questions i don't know and i'll and i'll give some feedback after you answer the question was it wrong to stay for 24 hours well we discussed you and i had discussed whether it was wise of her to let him go in the first place.

We did talk about that. And maybe just to reiterate, it doesn't make sense. This is a point that both, I think, Will and Pete made, and I would agree with them. If you're the evil doer in a relationship trying to separate a young man from his family, you don't let that young man go back to his family without you. You've got to keep that evil force. The devil has to stay on your shoulder wherever you go. Is Megan the devil?

Yes. And so if he goes back, maybe that was the caveat. If you go back, you can't be without your devil for more than 24 hours. You've got to get home quickly. Get back to me. Because little Archie was going to have his fourth birthday party. Which, by the way, Sean, when they were negotiating the terms that ended up

breaking down of how Meghan and Harry would go together to the coronation, she wanted Meghan Markle and Harry demanded that there be an acknowledgement of little Archie's fourth birthday at the coronation. Okay?

And that didn't happen. However, there was a luncheon. There's the traditional luncheon after the coronation. Harry was invited to, he was not allowed to be on the balcony where, you know, they do the wave because he's not a working royal. But he was invited to the luncheon. He didn't stay for the luncheon. But at the luncheon, they did toast little Archie, you know, even though he wasn't there. They toasted to his birthday.

I think that in the end, and I don't think the royals are really great people either through all of this. There are clearly some dysfunction. But they came out looking a lot more magnanimous throughout this. I think they seemed like they were extending olive branches. A lot of families might have said, you're not coming to the coronation after you wrote a book that made you I don't know how many millions of dollars. And you talk trash about me and the new Queen Camilla and your brother and his wife. They were still invited. Megan said no.

He came. They made a little bit of a knife jab by putting him in the fifth row behind the hat, a big hat. But he did do it. And I think what it looked to me was like, Harry looked sad. And it became very clear that the royal family is doing just fine without them. So I look at this, and we've done this before, as a family. There must be a lot of anger that Harry has. Again, he loves his country, I imagine. He loves the royals, and that's what he's been raised in, this long, long line in history. He's part of the royal family.

He's got to have an affection for that as well. And to think that he's turning his back on all of that, as well as his father and his brother, shows there is a deep-seated anger that he has. And maybe it goes back to his dad leaving his mom, his mom dying. I mean, he was a young boy at that time. It could feed into all of that. But how he chose to behave just as a son. You might not like your dad.

You may be angry at your dad for a lot of reasons, which, by the way, I don't like King Charles myself. You can be angry at him. But he's being coronated. You would think that you could, again, have. Or crowned? Is it coronated or crowned? I don't even know. I don't even know either.

I don't even care. He's getting, whatever, this is a big day. You could show up and you could stay a little while and you could be a bigger person. Yeah. Right? And he was not a bigger person. He might say, well, I came for the 24 hours. I was a big person to actually show up.

But I don't buy that. I think the big person is a good son. Listen, you stay for a couple days. You might not like your brother and his wife, and you think they're bad people. Okay, but you still go have some meals, some family time. You make this about your dad who's waited, what, 72 years to have this day? Yeah. And you celebrate it because

this is your family and he didn't do that um and so for me i'm like i think they're all they're all bad people i don't know they're all a bunch of globalists anyway i don't i don't i don't have affection for them i don't care about them uh but i'm forced to talk about them on the podcast with you you're kind of listen. I don't really. But you know what? Because the reason is that they're royals and we sort of see them in tabloids. But in the end, as you said, there's a lot of pain there. And a lot of people have these situations. It's not a coronation, but maybe it's your dad's retirement party or maybe it's your mom's birthday.

And what do I do in these circumstances? And what does my spouse because Candace Owens wrote a tweet you know during the coronation that I thought was you know exactly how I felt watching it because I also thought like I thought about Harry being in the sixth row seeing William and Kate's little children be part of this historic moment that is you know and his kids weren't there and could have been there and this be part of this historic moment that is, you know, and his kids weren't there and could have been there. And this is part of their legacy, too. And so the question then becomes, what role does your spouse and we always say the most important decision in your life is who you marry. It's more important than what job, what school. It's the most important decision. And you talk you talk about her as a little devil i think she's a

very damaged young woman um and and and very calculating there's no question about that but she has not appealed to harry's better angels and here he looked he cut a very sad figure at this event i felt sadness for him um i you know i mock about the wrinkled suit, but, you know, again, that's something a good wife would have been able to go, hey, suit's a little wrinkled, we might have to get that steamed. He was on his own. She basically created this chaos in his family. And then when the moment came,

she was on her own. And that's why I think people care about it. How about the kids? The cousins could be together to play and hang out and pictures together for this historic event. I do think it may not be in the next year or five years. There's one point that Harry will look back on what happened here and he'll regret his behavior. Donald Trump predicted that this marriage would not last. regret his behavior. Donald Trump predicted that this marriage would not last. He was very openly team Queen, which brings me to the last point I want to talk about from the coronation.

So Joe Biden was not team Queen and was not team Charles. He apparently weighed in on several sort of levels that he was Team Harry and Meghan Markle. And so many people say that's why he chose not to go to the coronation, which, by the way, the Royal family took as a deep offense that he did not come. He had just gone to Ireland on a homecoming trip. A trip he couldn't remember where he was. Yeah, that's right. He couldn't remember where he was yeah that's right he couldn't remember where he was like five days later the kids asked him in an interview where he was uh where was his last trip and he couldn't remember he was in ireland so in any case he said

he wasn't going to go some people said he couldn't go because the ceremony was so long um and he's a little bit incontinent um and, and maybe that was the problem. But most people settle on that he just isn't a fan of Charles and the royal family. But Jill wanted to go. Jill Biden, who loves the presidency much more than Joe Biden. The crown. Yeah. The crown, more not the presidency.

Oh, no, but what I'm saying is she loves the trappings of the American presidency much more than I think Joe Biden does. And so she wanted to go, and she chose, oddly, Sean, to turn this into a grandma and granddaughter event. Of course. So she brought one of her granddaughters, which I thought, Sean, was kind of an odd choice as we're in the middle of, I think, you know, grandma and grandpa gate for the Bidens where Hunter Biden, as you know, is not wanting to acknowledge or pay child support to his illegitimate daughter, Navy Biden. But also most most shockingly, is that Jill and Joe Biden have not acknowledged their granddaughter, have never extended a loving gesture or arm or hug or acknowledgement to this granddaughter. And so it was just it just was for me as a woman watching it. It was like, here's the approved granddaughter. Here's the not approved granddaughter that my son is in court trying to not pay. I thought that was a weird choice. It could have been. It probably was. I put them all under the umbrella of bad people with really bad ideas.

And so, you know, bad Joe didn't go. You know, the bad first lady went. The bad devil wife didn't come. The bad first lady went. The bad devil wife didn't come. Harry's wife, he went. And again, it's a whole, again, there used to be, I mean, Queen Elizabeth was amazing. Yeah. Right? And embodied the crown.

Service and duty and, yeah. And again, maybe this goes back to why it's important to raise good kids. Because she did raise, well, maybe she and everyone else in Buckingham Palace raised Charles. But she didn't raise him well. I think that's part of the problem. I think that's why Charles ended up that way. If she had been more focused on raising a good child to then be a good prince, to then be a good king, her legacy would have been maybe a little bit different. So the royal staff, who always takes the side of the king and queen, they exacted their revenge.

And in the end, they put Jill Biden and her approved granddaughter way in the back, like next to the bathrooms in the ceremony. And that, I think, Sean, wasn't just embarrassing for the Bidens to be put way, way, way in the back by the bathrooms. I think it was embarrassing for our country. So had they all behaved better, had... I'm not offended by that, by the way. I think Jill has been embarrassing for the country as well. So you would put her by the bathrooms, too? Probably even for the back.

Not even in Westminster Abbey. I would not have invited her if I was being coordinated. She would not have graced with her presence. All right. Well, and that's the recap. That's the recap. You didn't have to sit through five hours on the couch at Fox & Friends to get that. I gave it all to you here.

I got 15 minutes here, recap of the Royal Wedding. But go back to the heart. Yeah, you did bring it back. You did bring it back. Raise your kids well. Have kids. That's the message of the kitchen table. Have a kitchen table that you fill up.

I like that. Good coffee, good food, good conversation, good love. So that's the message today. I like it. All right. Well, let's just end it there. I don't think we can get any better than that. Listen, thanks for joining us at the kitchen table.

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