From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - How The Deep State Is Tearing America Apart

Episode Date: June 22, 2023

This week it was announced that President Biden's son, Hunter Biden would plead guilty to charges of tax evasion, ending a years-long investigation into the President's son. Sean and Rachel weigh in on why they believe the punishment is not fitting of the crime, and why there needs to be further investigations of the Biden family.  Later, they discuss the danger of the "deep state" and why they believe the next president must reform government agencies to restore America's faith in the government. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Sean Duffy, along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. It's great to be back, Sean. And today we're going to talk about the number one issue in America. We are. It's going to be the deep state. So there's a lot of issues facing this country. You could go the border is the number one issue or China is the number one issue, or China is the number one issue, or wokeism is the number one issue. Wrong. The number one issue is the deep state and its impact on American life. And today we're going to talk about the deep state as it relates to Hunter Biden's plea deal that he cut with the Department of Justice. Yeah, it's very revealing and reveals exactly what you say, why this is the number one issue. But before we do that, we've talked a lot about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, the really offensive move by the Dodgers to honor them, despite just the blasphemous,

absolutely crass and offensive things that they have done to not just Catholics, to all people of faith. You don't even have to be a Christian to go, this is just too far. And yet, some good news has come out of this. One is that the beautiful show of peaceful demonstration that happened on the night before, or the night of the game, before the game happened, thousands of Catholics, Christians, people of faith stood out there and protested peacefully and prayed and showed what good people they are. But we're not going to be silent. We're going to show you this. And then hardly anyone showed up for this award that

was given to the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, this drag group that offends people. Almost no one showed up. But something else happened. Almost no one showed up, but something else happened. And it was brought up by, I looked, I was, I follow Eric Metaxas. You know, you and I both love that guy. We've had him on the podcast. He's fantastic. We've had him on the podcast. He's an amazing, amazing human being, an incredible author. Here's his tweet. He said, is this a coincidence following a deeply despicable and offensive pride day celebration honoring the infamously evil group that sexually mocks the crucifixion. The L.A. Dodgers suffered their

single worst home loss, and get this, Sean, 125 years. They lost to the San Francisco Giants 15 to 0. Now, I'm not a big sports person, but you don't normally see numbers like that. You don't. And, you know, the Holy Spirit was alive and well. Seeking revenge. That's right. But it is fascinating that the Dodgers would say, you know what, if you want to promote Pride Night, you want to have a Pride Night for your club, there's a lot of things you could do for pride night that don't offend every Christian in America and around the world. I mean, the sisters of perpetual indulgence, as you mentioned in this tweet, mock the cross, sexualize the cross. They did a lap. They use the crucifix and a sort of reenactment of the crucifixion

and use the cross to do a lap dance. I mean, you just can't even imagine this. But to promote one group and to then demonize another, I thought that's what pride was. They were against all of that, right? We need to love everybody and support everybody and accept everybody. But if you're a Christian, if you're a Catholic, we want to mock you. We want to demonize you.

We want to make you. We want to demonize you. We want to make you an other than. And not only that, we want to sexualize your cross and be promoted and celebrated at a Dodgers game. So great loss by the Dodgers. And I would applaud that. I would applaud that. I would say two things just before we move on. One is that I believe the people outside who prayed in humility showed, you know, June for Catholics is a month that we celebrate humility because it is the month of the feast of the sacred heart of Jesus. And so it's the opposite of pride. And I think those outside showed that humility wins. And I think the outside showed that humility wins. And I think the score here shows it. Also, you have to imagine that so many of these players do not agree with what

their organization did. And maybe that demoralization of the players just really showed in the way they performed. I'm not saying they threw the game. Maybe they did. But, you know, you can't be in good spirits knowing that your organization is offending your fans and and Christians who are, you know, 90 percent plus of the country. If that was the case, you'd have hoped that more would have stood up. Too bad they didn't stand up. Yeah. They if they if they did object, they sat in silence. Maybe this was maybe this was maybe it was the Holy Spirit, but maybe there was also- A quiet protest. A quiet protest in a 15 to zero, again, the single worst home loss in 125 years. So maybe we had some deep state players playing for the Dodgers,

just like the deep state players we have in the United States government. And we said at the start of the show, this is the greatest threat to our country. We're going to get to that, but let's lay out some of the facts first. And that is Hunter Biden, we just learned, cut a plea deal with the Department of Justice on two counts of failure to pay taxes. So the case goes, Hunter Biden in 2017 and 2018, So the case goes, Hunter Biden in 2017 and 2018, in each year, he failed to pay $100,000 of taxes owed to the IRS on a $1.5 million of income. Now, we're going to get to the second charge on the gun in a moment. But when you look at this, a lot of questions come up.

Number one, a five-year investigation into a failure to pay taxes? This is really simple stuff. This is not complicated and that it would take five years. I think the only reason this case was brought was because there's political pressure on the politics inside of the FBI and the DOJ, and they couldn't sustain the political pressure on how Joe Biden was being treated compared to Donald Trump. And therefore, they came out with, by the way, these are felony charges, usually felony charges, but they charged him with misdemeanors, no jail time, and just probation. This is unbelievable for a prosecutor's office, the Department of Justice to go so such a light touch on a defendant, no matter who they are. Yeah, I mean, there's no question that had this been the son or daughter

of a Republican, particularly Donald Trump, this would not have ended in the way it did. And again, that what they're trying to do is say, OK, see, we did this. It's over. And they want to avoid this. They want to punish lightly Hunter Biden and make sure this in no way touches Joe Biden, even though we know from the laptop he's referred multiple times as the big guy who's getting 10 percent of everything that Hunter Biden is doing. been a commingling of, you know, finances and bills and payments between Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, which is really odd. I mean, we're both adults. We don't commingle our finances with either of our parents. And we have very, very close relationships with our parents, but we don't do that. We don't commingle funds with our kids either. Yeah, no, exactly. But I mean, we're talking about adult kids, but yes, of course. And there's been all kinds of indications. You know, he says, I don't know anything about Hunter Biden's business. And then we see photos of him with the business partners, the foreign business partners of Hunter Biden. We see, you know, that they've come into the White House many, many, many times. In addition, we see these shell companies and money going not just to Joe Biden's brother, Jim, but also to Beau Biden's widow, the one that was sleeping with Hunter

Biden and many of the grandkids. So this is a family mafia kind of situation where clearly there's something there. There is a lot of smoke and all they could come up with is this? Well, not only that, we now know that there is this 1023 form within the FBI where a credible FBI source came in and said, listen, the executives from Burisma, I've had conversations with them and they said that they paid Hunter Biden $5 million and Joe Biden $5 million when Joe Biden was the vice president for Joe Biden to take certain action, policy action when he was the vice president. By the way, that is really illegal. You can't sell out your country and make money. Thank you, Sean. This is treasonous stuff.

It's treasonous. Yes. So we have even more information. And when it goes to this point of the way Hunter Biden was treated just on the tax evasion charges, they didn't investigate. Or the banks keep records. You can see the flow of money. It's not complicated. And again, for you and I, itpoena power to analyze these documents and figure out, well, actually, there was $5 million that flowed to Joe Biden and $5 million that flowed to Hunter Biden. told us. And not only that, the informant said the executives at Burisma have audio tapes, 15 of Hunter Biden and two of Joe Biden that lay out this criminal enterprise, this criminal scheme. So a lot of evidence, but no investigation. And the FBI really holding onto this information. I mean, the Republicans had to, Representative Comer had to really press hard to even get to see the documents. And now we know that there were tapes, or at least the informant says there's tape, but the FBI not confirming it, not letting us know whether they went after and tried to seek these the investigation or maybe afraid that it will show that they didn't actually investigate despite all the smoke. And at the same time, we have Donald Trump facing criminal charges for what is the equivalent if you compare it to what other presidents have done with documents when they leave the White House. I mean, this is like having an overdue book at the library. This is really minor stuff. All of the documents that President Trump have are contained in one place. There's some question about whether he should

have it or not, but he is the president. He has the power to declassify these documents and therefore has the power to have them. Again, you can quibble about it, but these are not even remotely similar. One is treasonously selling out your country. Because, by the way, I just want to mention, Sean, that Comer says that what they discovered with Burisma is just one of many other countries. Romania, China, which is really troubling. You saw the disastrous, you know, encounter that Blinken had this week or this past week with the Chinese and how they sort of disrespected him. This is affecting our foreign policy with our most important adversary. There are business deals with Russia and Ukraine and Romania and others.

This is very, very serious stuff, much more serious than whether a box should be in Mar-a-Lago or not. On that point, Blinken basically said, you know, we don't see Taiwan being free and independent, right? So he came out and basically took the position inside of China. We've had a noncommittal policy in the U.S. We haven't taken a position. Just crazy. One China policy, you know, what is the role and future of Taiwan? Blinken did that, number one. Number two. It is a green light to China, Sean. We just found out that China is putting a spy base in Cuba, as well as a base

itself where you'll see Chinese troops in Cuba, 100 miles from the U.S. border. I don't know why any president would stand for that unless that president was compromised. And I just want to go back to the document. Can I just say on China before you move on. Also, before just ahead of Blinken leaving to China to meet with the Chinese, Joe Biden makes a statement minimizing the spycraft that comes over. So he's sort of, you know, sweetening the trip a little and saying, you know, it wasn't a big deal. It's just a little embarrassing for the Chinese. So, again, another sign of him not being tough on China. And you have to wonder, is it because he is compromised by the financial dirty deals that he and his son and his entire

family have been profiting off of? And here's the distinction. When the allegations of Russia collusion were made against Donald Trump, there was no evidence. There was a Hillary Clinton-generated dossier that made a whole bunch of false allegations. None of them were verified. And the full force of the FBI and the DOJ came down to investigate this really important allegation against Donald Trump, a sitting president. I would actually argue that was an attempted coup by the FBI and the DOJ. But then you get credible information that comes out against Joe Biden, and the FBI can't seem to find their way around any investigation on an incredibly serious topic that has significant implication now because he's the president and might be impacting the decisions that he made. Going back to the FBI in the 1023 form that we mentioned, Chuck Grassley, who has been a dog on the bone, the senator from Iowa, said, asked Christopher Wray about getting this 1023 form.

This was the form where the informant, the credible informant said Joe Biden was paid five million and then Hunter Biden was paid an additional five million dollars. And Christopher Wray would not confirm that he had such a document until Grassley came on and said, listen, not only do you have the document, I've actually seen the document and I have a number of whistleblowers who told me about the document. Ray was caught red-handed, then he admitted, oh, yes, we do have this document. And then you saw the stonewalling of the Congress being able to see the document. And again, it's important, if this was a classified document, there might be some guardrails around the Congress seeing it. Or if there was a pending investigation, they'd say, well, we can't show it to you because there's a pending investigation and we keep a close lid on these investigations. Congress can't see it. However, the document wasn't classified and criminal scheme that Hunter and Ron Johnson of being purveyors of, you know, Russian disinformation, of being somehow treasonous for bringing up this laptop and its ties to Hunter Biden,

its very existence. And there were 50 former CIA and intelligence officials who signed a document saying that it was. And then once it comes out that the laptop is real, because we all knew it was real, the FBI all knew it was real. The FBI certainly knew it was real. When these intelligence officers, when it became irrefutable, then they say, oh, well, we didn't mean to. We, you know, we were just suggesting it could be. It looks like it was. No, they knew exactly what they were doing. Exactly what they were doing. They were giving a talking point to Joe Biden because a couple of days after the allegations about the laptop were made during just before the 2020 election, there was going to be a debate. Donald Trump brought up the laptop and those 50 CIA and intelligence officers were able to give a talking point to Joe Biden.

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for tax evasion. By the way, these are usually almost always felony charges. People go to prison for this. I'm going to get to that in a second. But the second charge was the line on the form to purchase a gun. So one of the questions is, are you addicted to drugs?

And Hunter Biden said no. Well, it was obvious that at that time, because we saw from the laptop that he was smoking crack and, you know, blown out of his mind with drugs at the time he said no on that form. And he wrote a book about it. So he lied. Yeah. Right. And that's a felony offense. They have him dead to no on that form. And he wrote a book about it. So he lied. Yeah. Right. And that's a felony offense. They have him dead to rights on that charge. But to make sure that that that Hunter Biden is not a felon, they did what's called a diversion deal. So instead of pleading

guilty or not guilty to this charge and rolling forward with the prosecution, they said, let's divert him. Let's say for the next, I don't know if it was one or two years, Hunter Biden has to go to drug counseling and he has to stay clean and sober. And if he does, this charge is going to go away. So the gun charge will not be prosecuted. And the tax evasion charges are misdemeanors. And I want to just walk through other people that we might know that have been charged with tax evasion and what were their sentences. You mean celebrities who have been people that the public knows about. That's right.

So Pete Rose, convicted of tax evasion, five-month prison sentence. Wesley Snipes, tax evasion, a three-year prison sentence. Mike the Situation Sorrentino, tax evasion, eight-month prison sentence. Leona Hemsley, tax evasion, a four-year sentence. Richard Hatch, a 50... Richard Hatch was on Survivor. Oh, he won all the money on Survivor, yeah. One-month prison sentence.

And Kodak Black. The rapper. The rapper, Kodak Black, he lied on the money on Survivor, yeah. A 51-month prison sentence. And Kodak Black. The rapper. The rapper, Kodak Black, he lied on a gun form as well. Do you think he got a diversion program, Kodak Black? Mm-mm. I think this must be racial, too, because he got 46 months of a prison sentence for lying on a gun form, Hunter Biden got a diversion program. So you can see that the Department of Justice takes this incredibly seriously when you evade taxes or you lie on a gun charge. But if it's Hunter Biden,

it seems to be tiddlywinks, misdemeanors and diversion programs. So what does this tell you, Sean, when you say this is, I mean, you and I were talking about this, you know, last night you came back from the show. This was the number one topic on the bottom line. It was on basically every Fox News show, this deal, this slap on the wrist that Hunter Biden received. And you said to me, Rachel, our country has a lot of problems. And you laid some of them out in China and our education system. And, you know, there's a whole line of very serious problem. You said this is the number one problem. The deep state, the deep state

is the number one problem in America. And you said we're going to lose our country if we don't fix it. We have pro-lifers being targeted and prosecuted under the FACE Act. But those radicals who will deface and degrade and vandalize a pro-life center. With Molotov cocktails and throw them at pro-life centers.

The FBI can't seem to find those people at all. Those investigations have come up stone cold. 76 attacks on pregnancy centers. Moms and dads who've come out to school boards and are protesting CRT or transgender teaching of their children as opposed to just teaching math, science, and English, when they've gone to it with their opinions, they've been targeted as radical extremists, as domestic terrorists. And on the flip side, you don't, as I mentioned, you can be a pro-abortionist, you can attack pro-life centers, but you can also be Antifa. abortionists, you can attack pro-life centers, but you can also be Antifa, or you can be Black Lives Matter, and you can burn cities, you can beat people up, you can loot, you can do all these things, and nothing seems to happen to you. And so as we step back, and again, we'll compare Donald Trump is facing over 100 years in prison, that is two life sentences, the rest of this life and another one. Joe Biden had

similar documents, right? But he had them from when he was a senator. He could not declassify them. He had them from when he was a vice president, could not declassify them. And he had them, as Donald Trump would mention, in Chinatown, in his garage, the Corvette, and then in the Penn Biden Center. So he's moved the boxes around, just like the allegation of Donald Trump moved boxes around. Joe Biden, too, moved boxes around. There was no raid on Joe Biden. There's no indictment of Joe Biden. Mike Pence, not indicted.

George Bush, Obama also had these document issues. Bill Clinton also had classified information. None of them were indicted. And so you'd go, well, there is... Hillary Clinton wasn't either for her classified information. So past performance, you'd look at how past presidents are treated with classified documents. And you'd say, well, presidents don't get indicted if they have classified documents because actually they were entitled to all these documents during their presidency. And if the American people elected them as president,

they probably loved their country, probably. But not for Donald Trump, right? The FBI and the DOJ, I would argue, are trying to take Donald Trump out of their running in 2024. They cannot stand the thought that Donald Trump be the president again. They used an espionage act from 1917 in order to come up with these charges. I mean, they had to really dig deep to find out how they could make this happen. And just think about, Sean, for how many years now, Donald Trump intelligence agencies, which we know we're now spying on his campaign, spying on his early, you know, it's so many dirty tricks, Comey coming into his office in order to launch other investigations against him and trip up other, you know, he just didn't

know what was happening to him. But you had this deep state, which is what you're concerned about, But you had this deep state, which is what you're concerned about, working in unison to say, I don't care that the American from from Crossfire Hurricane to, you know, the Russia collusion, all of this stuff, all of this fake stuff thrown at him. this and then to try and cover it up. They couldn't just let Hunter Biden go and they had to make sure they stopped it from bleeding into Joe Biden. And so they slapped this on. You're right, Sean. I have lost total confidence in this country. And so just think about just going back to the Russia hoax. That story stayed alive in the media because they had to get new information. New sources had to provide additional information to keep the ball rolling for two and a half years in the media. Every day, every hour of every show talked about Donald Trump and Russia collusion. And the only way that happened was the strategic leaking of information from the FBI and the Department of Justice for the sole purpose of

getting it into the media and demonizing Donald Trump. Keeping the story going. A lot. Fueling it. The politics of- Even though they knew it was fake. I mean, they had to have known, Sean. They knew that the dossier was fake. Well, they know it wasn't. There was no indication that it was credible.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. So the politics they were playing in leaking information, which, by the way, you don't hear any leaks out about Hunter Biden. You don't hear leaks about Joe Biden. You don't hear leaks on Democrats at all. But the strategic political leaks that come from the FBI and the DOJ are remarkable. which is what we talked about at the start of this podcast. This is the most dangerous, divisive part of our government. And so what I mean by that is you have to have a unified people. They don't have to agree on tax policy.

They don't even have to agree on how many people should come in to the country as immigrants. They don't have to agree on abortion. They don't have to agree. You're right. There's a lot of things we don't have to agree on. But we have to agree that we have a democracy and that we, the people, have debates and primaries. And then we select party candidates. And then we have a national election and the people choose who their president is going to be. Without interference from the CIA and the FBI and the DOJ and the media and so forth. And if you don't have the people choosing their leaders,

you don't have a democracy. And when you have the FBI and the DOJ so ingrained in the politics And the politics in America, making decisions not to prosecute Hillary Clinton, right, on her email server, right, having classified information that went to Uma Abedin and went to Anthony Weiner. They all had it. China probably had it, too. She's not prosecuted, but we're going to do this fake story against Donald Trump, Russia occlusion, to try to get him out of the White House. Trump, Russia collusion to try to get him out of the White House. If you have organizations that think they're more powerful than the people, organizations that were never elected, that are never accountable to anybody and are controlling your democracy, you don't have a democracy. And then, therefore, you don't have the American people unified, one set of ideas. Right. Right. One one idea that we might disagree on taxes and abortion in the border, but we do agree that we're Americans. We love our country and we believe in our democracy. And we have equal justice under the law, which is underpins all of this. And Sean, do you remember when we had

we had some Venezuelan exiles on our podcast, and we talked about what was happening in Venezuela. And by the way, can I just pause for a second? I rewatched an old speech that I gave, I don't know, eight years ago about socialism. I'm obsessed with socialism and what it's done to countries like Cuba and Venezuela. And I was explaining to students that in these countries, they imprison their opposition, their opponents. And the kids were kind of like, wow, that's incredible. And here we have, you know, Joe Biden trying to imprison for life his, yeah, his number one opponent. For the exact same thing that he did. For the exact same thing that he did and had less authority to have those documents than President Trump did.

But but going back, when we asked these these exiled Venezuelan dissidents on our show, when did you know that that Venezuela was lost? Because, you know, the revolution, the socialist revolution in in in Venezuela took years before we started to see the effects. And they said, we knew that the country was lost when the justice system was weaponized against the opposition. And ladies and gentlemen, that is where we're at right now. And I think the reason why what you said to me last night was so smart and so on point, Sean, is that I believe that right now half of the country, at least half of the country, believes that, does not believe in our institutions, believes that the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, that these organizations can and will be weaponized against them we see people self-censoring themselves because we see the kind that you know you don't have to have an indictment or you know um the doj um pressing charges against you to feel like you can't say what you think in the land of the free right um so many people self-censoring because what the what the government has now that

maybe they didn't even have you know that we know they didn't have years ago when there were concerns about RFK Jr. is getting a lot of traction right now. And part of the reason, Sean, is that he is exposing what many of us had sensed for a while, which is that the FBI in the 60s, 50s and 60s was out of control. And he is now very openly with a very large platform talking about the fact that he believes his own uncle and father were assassinated by the intelligence state, the CIA. And so we know these things have been out of balance and out of control for a while. But what these agencies have now that they didn't have before is this surveillance industrial complex, that they have the same powers that China has to surveil us, to oversee us. I joke a lot on this podcast that I believe I'm on many FBI lists because the FBI has shown that they are going after Catholics, pro-lifers, those who care, who want the traditional

Latin mass, all people who they can identify as, you know, in a category that they are pretty certain are against the current party in power in terms of social issues and politics. And so, yeah, I mean, you can't have the country that doesn't believe in the system. So, yeah, I 100% agree with that. And I do believe the greatest threat to the country outside of the deep state is China. They're a military behemoth. They're an economic behemoth. So many things that we buy, that we rely on in our everyday lives are made in China. And if you have a conflict with China and they shut America off, this country is devastated.

It is a massive, massive risk that I don't think we have faced. And that's what brings me to the deep state. You can't fix China. You can't have a unified country to address the rising threat of China unless you have one people having elections and voting on the ideas of their candidates on how to move forward. Just like we had an election and Donald Trump won, and it was like, we are going to actually secure the border. I'm going to build a wall. Now, Democrats were able to in part thwart him, and so was the deep state from building a wall.

Joe Biden didn't necessarily run on open borders like this, and he's actually doing it. But we have ideas that are debated and sold to the American people, and we get a vote on those ideas. And if it's not us that decide who the president is, and it's the FBI and the DOJ and the CIA. And the media. You don't have faith in your leaders, and therefore you can't address the massive threats that this country is going to have to deal with, whether it's over the next two years or 10 years that are real. A house divided cannot stand, as Abraham, I mean, they have done polling on how many people, especially conservatives, want a peaceful national divorce. And the numbers are astounding. They're somewhere in the 60 percent. Because they feel like the divide, and it's not issues. I think you're absolutely, gosh, I think you're so over the target.

It's not that they are divided over policy. They're divided over the most foundational things about our country. They believe that the justice system is totally corrupted and they believe that there is a deep state, an elite few who believe they get to pick our leaders, that we the people are no longer in charge of our destiny. Let me just come back to something we talked about earlier to make that point. So the Congress funds the FBI, the DOJ, and the CIA, right? And the president appoints the leaders, and they're confirmed by the Congress, the Senate, into these lead positions, FBI, DOJ, CIA. But the Congress oversees those agencies, the bureau at the FBI. And if the Congress can't do proper oversight, like say you have a document.

Give it over. A 1023, we want to see it. What kind of investigation have you done? If they can't do basic oversight over the FBI and the DOJ because they just won't cooperate, well, then you have rogue agencies. You have a rogue bureau. You have a rogue CIA. And if the Congress can't get this information, these agencies aren't accountable to anybody. And I've made this point before.

If you can actually do what they did to Donald Trump and no one is held to account, they're not going to get better because they were exposed. They're going to get more aggressive. They're going to be more emboldened. They're going to be worse the next time around. What was it that Chuck Schumer said when Donald Trump said, hey, I have very strong suspicions, and we now know are true, that my campaign, that Trump Tower is being spied on, that they are tapping our phones, they are tapping our our information. And what did Chuck Schumer say? I don't know what Chuck Schumer said, but he said he said, oh, go ahead. You mess with the CIA. You mess with the intelligence state and they will get you. There's some sort of saying, basically, he's 10 ways to Sunday or six ways to Sunday. Right. That you media mocked him for that, too. Oh, yeah. You sure they're they're tapping your line. But also it was interesting that someone as powerful in the Congress as Chuck Schumer understood who was in charge, that not him as a powerful, probably the most powerful senator in the United States understood who was running this operation, this country, that the CIA and you don't mess with the CIA, you don't mess with the FBI.

They will get you if you try to undermine their power. And again, Sean, I don't. So so I think we've depressed people a lot on this. What do we do to get do to get our country back? And so this is what concerns me about Republican candidates. Vivek Ramaswamy has talked about this a little bit. But every single candidate is concerned about winning a primary. That's the focus.

They're raising money. They're on the campaign trail. There's a lot of stuff they're doing. But they need to be thinking, every single one of them, what will I do to defang the deep state? How do I take out the deep state in a way that's going to allow us to get our country back? And by the way, it's not just the FBI and the DOJ. Look at the Environmental Protection Agency. I mean, it was created and it wasn't given authority over whether we're going to have gas stoves or electric stoves or Yes, yes. have a Congress and a leader who can roll this stuff back. And how do you do it? Well, I think they have to develop a plan, all of them, and they need to talk about it on the campaign front.

If you were the president or you were advising the president, the future president, I know you hate two-part questions, but I want to know what you would do, what you would tell them to do, to do this. Because I have to imagine that the swamp is going to fight back. So what do you do and how do you deal with that? And who is best suited to do that? Because I'll tell you what, Sean, Donald Trump ran on the swamp and getting rid of the swamp back in 2016.

And the swamp is still there. And the swamp is going after him and trying to put him in jail for life. So, and I saw this as a congressman. And I had good friends who were leading agencies and you can win a presidency. You can put your people in charge of all of these agencies in government. But all of the staff, all the lawyers, all the employees of the agency, if they're radical liberals, they will fight the secretary every step of the way. And it makes it

really hard to implement the agenda. They'll secretly undermine you because they know the agency better than you do. You just got to point it. And sometimes not so secretly. Maybe they can be very public and they're trying to thwart you. And the vision that the president ran on during the election that the American people voted for, these deep staters say, we have more power, we know what we're going to do, and we're not going to listen to you. And the reason that happens is they're protected by a union. You can't fire them. They have lifetime employment. And so you have to change the union structure for federal employees. So you can fire them?

So you can fire them. If you want to be on the mission of the president and the secretary, you can stay. But if you don't, I'm going to show you the door and you can go somewhere else. You got to be able to get those people out of there, which is why it's become a cesspool of just liberalism inside of Washington. And it's so hard for Republican administrations to get things actually done because they're fought so hard. So is that Congress that can change the rules for these federal, these are federal unions. So you're a federal, you're a bureaucrat in the, you know, the EPA and Environmental Protection Agency or the education department. You can't, you're under a union. There's a role for Congress and part of their unionization, I think happened with an executive order. So it can be undone with an executive order. Why didn't Donald Trump do that before?

And so I think, well, I think President Trump was under, I mean, assault from the moment he got into the White House. Yeah, that's true. So I don't want to compare myself to President Trump, but I never served in Washington. I'd really never been to Washington, became a Congressman. And it took me a couple of years to figure out what my team should look like and how we can be effective. And I think Donald Trump on a way greater scale had the same situation. He had never been in government and it takes some time to figure it out. And at the same time, he was under assault on this Russia collusion hoax story. So I think as much as he got done, I'm proud of him because of all of the barriers that were put up to him. And so whether it's

Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis, I want to hear them talk about what they're going to do with the FBI and the DOJ. Do they divide it up? Do they abolish it and recreate it, what is their plan to make sure that we have very powerful agencies, which we need to give them power? There's a critical role for these agencies in keeping America safe. I believe in that. But if they're corrupted, what's your plan to fix them? And like Donald Trump, most Republicans thought you can't talk about securing the border because we're going to lose a Hispanic vote. Well, Donald Trump talked about actually securing the border and building a wall and he got more Hispanic voters.

But he talked about it and the reason why he was doing it. Yeah. And so that's a great point. You've got to talk about what your plan is. And why you're doing it. And why you're doing it. And it's not like if you talk about it, the Department of Justice and the CIA are going to come after you because they're already coming after you. What, are they going to get more angry at you?

No. You've already pissed them off. So it sounds like the answer to my second question is I could be wrong by the examples that you used. And let me know if I am wrong. But it sounds like someone as much as I know you and I both think, Vivek, we've had him on the podcast. We had a wonderful conversation with him and he's smart and he gets it on so many levels, but he would be a new beat of government. And it sounds like what you're saying is, and based on your own experience of being in Congress and how long it took you to get your sea legs in there and understand how it works so that you could stop the corruption and stop the abuse that's so rampant in government that you're looking for

someone that only someone like Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis, who understands the Congress and understands the inner workings, can from day one hit the ground running and take on the deep state. Am I correct? Yes, you are. Can I give you another example? And this is a bad example, but George Bush was the governor of Texas, right? And so he had a whole team of people in Texas, in that government, he could take with him to the U.S. government when he became the president. But who did he pick as a vice presidential candidate? An insider. An insider. He picked Dick Cheney.

I know, I know. That's why I knew he was going to be a bad example. But yeah, he did it for a reason. He did that for a purpose, to have someone help him navigate the morass. Wasn't that, but wasn't that... That was foreign policy, mostly. Exactly. I'm sorry to interrupt you.

But wasn't that the role of Vice President Pence? But Pence had a lot of swampy people around him. Let's be really honest about that. So, yes, so Pence was a governor. Pence was a U.S. congressman. I got to serve with him for two years before he became governor. He was supposed to be the Dick Cheney who was the Sherpa, if you will, to Trump. And maybe Donald, and I don't know the inner workings.

Maybe he was trying to be the Sherpa and Donald Trump didn't listen to him. Or maybe he didn't have the skillset to be the Sherpa needed by a U.S. president. Or maybe he had a lot of deep staters on his team, which I have definitely heard that as well. And again, it goes to that point. You need people on your team who you'd like them to like you.

That would be nice. But also agree with the mission of the presidency. You need people on your team who you'd like them to like you. That would be nice. But also agree with the mission of the presidency. And if you have people who think you're stupid and don't like you, even in the administration, they will work against you, even if they have ours by their name. And I think a lot of that happened to Donald Trump. And again, he said he was going to bring in the greatest, you know, make the greatest hires, smart people. Well, some of them, they might have been really smart, but they didn't agree with the agenda.

We'll have more of this conversation after this. Light up Black Friday with Freedom Mobile and get 50 gigs to use in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico for just $35 a month for 18 months. Plus, get a one-time gift of five gigs of Roam Beyond data. Conditions apply. Details at freedommobile.ca. Which brings me to the next point, which is the deep state. I know you talked about some of these radical liberals in this administration, but the deep state is not liberal. The deep state is bipartisan. And there are people with a lot of is bipartisan. And there are people with a lot of sort of elitist ideas, financial reasons for why they want things to run the way they've always run. And one of the things that you saw when Donald Trump was elected was that Donald Trump wasn't fighting the Democrats. He was fighting

Washington on left and right. And people were united against him on left and right. And those people are still there. I would disagree with you in part. So I think on foreign policy, you're right. Right. A lot of a lot of money is made on wars. Yes. There's a military industrial complex. There is. But when you go to the domestic agencies, they're that they are not bipartisan. They're very, very, very liberal. I agree with you on that. That's a fair distinction. And therefore, you have to be able to pull those those people out to get your country back. And some agencies should just be eliminated. I mean, Vivek Ramaswamy and a few others have said, I will eliminate the Department of Education. There is no need for a Department of Education. Send that money back to the states. Let the people decide. It is just causing all kinds of havoc. There's just no need for it. Other agencies, like you mentioned, the EPA, there are others just need to be reined in.

Listen, get rid of the EPA. Listen, if you can't, we gave them a little bit of power and they've abused that power radically. Get rid of them. I'm sorry. I don't want any. I do not want an EPA. I do think there are cancer inside. And same with it. Listen, now we know that our health from COVID, all the ways that pharma is funding our research,

our government research, the way it's impacted, the way things have gone. I think we need a massive overhaul. I'm with you. I'm with eliminating certain agencies. I'm also loving the idea that others have introduced. And again, this is more on this conversation of how do we take down the deep state and how do we actually deal with it? Certain agencies should go into the interior of the country. Why should everyone who are in the suburbs around D.C. be the ones

controlling these agencies? I think if the agriculture department went into the middle of the country, maybe we'd get more input from the middle of the country where our breadbasket is essentially, where all the things are grown. We need to take on big food. We need to take on big pharma. There's a lot of sort of cronyism between corporate America and big government. There's a lot of things that have to be taken down. But I think the most important thing is the DOJ, the FBI, and the CIA. These agencies have massive power of surveillance of, you know, being able to weaponize the justice system against enemies, political enemies. Nobody has faith in this system anymore.

And that's what's key. You want Americans to have faith in the system. So you want people to go, we ran a hard race. I worked for my candidate. I voted for my candidate. And we lost. All right. Don't cry about it.

Pick up your toys. Go back home and run again in the next election. That's what you want people to do. But you know it was fair, you know it was honest, and there wasn't outside influence on the election. If that doesn't happen, all of a sudden you have major conflict, major discord within the country. You have a divided country because there's not faith in how the system is working. And to address these rising threats that we have, you have to have faith in the system. One last point. We believe in limited government because when you have limited government, you don't have the problems that we're talking about with pharma and big food funding government

and these massive agencies that are doing things with rules and regulations that we have no idea the pages of new regulations that are coming out. We're clueless. Limited government is always the best government because it reserves more freedom for my state, but more freedom for me. As an individual. Which is what I want as an individual. I'm pointing to my chest. That's right. And the bigger the government, the bigger the morass, the less freedom I have, the more freedom the federal government has. And so that's but that's a debate that we should be having. But so let me just wrap this up in the point of I want Republican candidates to talk about what they're going to do to fix the deep state. deep state. Because if you don't fix it, your presidency doesn't mean dog dung. You're not going to fix anything in this country. You're not going to change the trajectory of this country. Fix it and you can change the whole course of America.

Has Donald Trump addressed it enough in your mind? No, he hasn't. And I think he can't. He may be thinking about it. Maybe he doesn't want to say it yet. What he's going to do. Well, by the way, can I tell you this? I'm so glad you brought up that point because one of the things that JFK Jr. has said is that his father, both his uncle and his father, said out loud, and Bobby Kennedy in particular, the week before said he was going to do something about the intelligence agencies that were out of control. And he was assassinated a week later.

In the case of JFK, JFK Jr. says that just before he was assassinated or not long before he was assassinated, he expressed anger in a meeting about having been misled by the military. That was in regard to the Bay of Pigs, I think. In regard to the Bay of Pigs. And he said, I want to smash it into smithereens, into a million pieces. You know, this military industrial complex, this intelligence industrial complex. And then he ends up assassinated. So that's an interesting point you bring out that maybe Donald Trump isn't saying what he's going to do. He's already got them on him, you have to sell the American people on what you want to do and lay it out and debate it and be attacked from the media on it. But that debate

is necessary to get buy-in from the country. If you do it once you're elected but haven't talked about it, that's going to be a problem. There's going to be a lot of turmoil in the country if that's what you do. There wasn't, I mean, people didn't like the wall, but they knew Donald Trump was going to try to build a wall because he talked about it in every speech, in every interview. And explained why, yes. And explained why, that's right. So that's why that part is so critical.

What I want in my country is I want a democracy. I want us to be stronger. I do want us to put our country, our people, our workers, our businesses first in this country. I think that's the right form of government. But that should be debated freely, fairly, openly, without influence from powerful deep staters. I'm deeply concerned. And this is something that needs to be addressed with the connection that big tech has with our intelligence agencies.

that big tech has with our intelligence agencies. The exposure of the Twitter files, I think, is the most underreported, under-talked-about issue in our country that our intelligence agencies were able during COVID and during the 2020 election with the Hunter Biden laptop, were able to alter algorithms and know, algorithms and censor people and deplatform them in order to suppress that story, which altered the election. Under the direction of the FBI. Under the direction of the FBI. That is a massive, massive problem. And, you know, yeah, we've got Elon Musk in there, but his instincts are also censorship. You saw this cisgender discussion that, you know, somebody, you know, called somebody a cisgender on online on Twitter. And he said, we're going to ban the word cisgender. Well, I don't want that. I don't

want any banning. I don't want any big tech. Can you say he was a free speech absolutist? Yes. That doesn't seem. Yeah. Listen, I am the free speech. I want to let the left call heterosexual cisgender if they want. And I'm going to call them Marxist if I want. We should all be able to say what we want and how and we should stop. We really again, the the deep state with the deep state in conjunction or the intelligence and military working in conjunction with big tech is now entering. That's the Chinafication of our country. So we have laws that prohibit the federal government from using agents to infringe upon our First Amendment rights of speech. It's going to get to the Supreme Court at one point. And I think we're going to. I feel like it's just gone away. And I'm like, why is anybody still talking about it?

We have the lawsuits. Several states have come together, including Missouri, I believe. But it brings me to one last high point on Donald Trump. We talked about the number of people that he brought into the federal government that were not great. But he was a rock star in one space. And it's something that he talked about. So people weren't surprised when he did it because he said, I'm going to appoint pro-life justices.

Constitutionalists. And constitutionalists. That's right. Not living, breathing, living constitutionalists, but strict constructionists to the court that are pro-life. He did that. And lo and behold, this coming Saturday is the anniversary of the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Sure is. He talked about it, though. He said, I am going to do that. And he did. And he was amazing at that. And I think this court, when they look at the role of the federal government in suppressing speech, they're going to drop the hammer on that.

I really hope so. I really hope so. That gives me some hope. What a wonderful, hopeful note. One, the reminder that Roe v. Wade was overturned. There's one way. That is a massive win, a massive win for America and for life and for allowing the pre-born to be considered part of the human family. No, it's not even that. It's about democracy. What they said is, we're going to overturn Roe v. Wade and send it back to states and

let them vote on what works for them. The ballot box is empowered again because of what the Supreme Court did. Yes. And we're seeing some people, some states are protecting abortion after the point of birth, killing live babies. OK, others are going to no abortions at all. That's how democracy works. I disagree with the pro-abortionists, but it's a democracy. And thank God for the court for giving this issue back to the people. I think not now it's not,

but eventually the energy will be taken out of this issue because voters now have a say in what kind of abortion or life laws they have in their state. I guess I fundamentally disagree with you on that, Sean. I just as, you know, I didn't think that slavery should be left up to the states because it's such an intensely foundational moral issue. Eventually, the idea of being able to kill pre-born children is going to go back to the Supreme Court. And I hope we have a constitutional abolition on that. And that's my that's my belief.

I'm an abolitionist when it comes to slavery. I also am an abolitionist when it comes to abortion. I think it's a moral, deeply morally unjust thing to do. But in any case, I am I am happy for the wins we have. I don't disagree. you on the life issue. What I will say is it is a win to empower people to vote again. And that's what the court did. And that was a step in the right direction. A hundred percent. And it's fostering the debate again. What is this? What is abortion? What does it kill? And that's the important thing to get to the place of protecting life. So with that, Rachel, well...

Lots of good news. Lots of good news. I think in a hopeful... Well, not a lot of good news, but a lot of hope. Well, we started off with good news. The Dodgers lost. And we ended with good news in the sense that Roe v. Wade was overturned. In the middle was a little bit rough.

But there's a pathway... Do you feel... to the rising sun. And you feel like we can, America will come out. Listen, I'm not, listen, I'm quite a pessimist because I think of education. But I do think with the right leadership, we can root all of this stuff out of our government and empower people again, empower debates,

stop censoring people, and stop indoctrinating children in our schools. That can happen. And a president can lead the way on the campaign trail. I want to see that. I love it. All right. Hope for America from Sean Duffy. Hope for America.

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