From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Influencer's Pro-Life Documentary Punished For Sharing Story

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

On this episode, Sean and Rachel sit down to discuss the LaBrant family, social media influencers that released a pro-life documentary entitled Abortion, and the wave of criticism that came along with its release. Sean and Rachel explain the contents of the documentary, outline the backlash that the LaBrants received on social media, and talk about resources that are available to those who are facing an unplanned pregnancy. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, Sean, and hey, everybody who's listening to our podcast. We're glad to be back at our kitchen table to talk to you about an interesting topic, especially in light of everything that's going on with Roe versus Wade. So if you have kids, you know what social media influencer is. That's somebody who or somebody or a group of people who are on social media who have a lot of influence. And one of them is the LeBrant family. If you haven't seen, if you have kids, you probably do know who they are. They're this gorgeous family. I mean, literally gorgeous. They have three little kids now. And they basically just share their family life with everybody in these cute little videos. Sometimes they're dancing together,

they're playing pranks on each other, and they sort of just give insight into what it's like to have a gorgeous family, I guess, Sean. And they have a gazillion followers. They have 13 million subscribers to their YouTube channel. And they basically live off of this business of being social media influencers and again, giving insight into their lives. Well, they made a very interesting decision a few months ago. And they're not very political, but it turns out that on the issue of life, they feel very strongly about life. And they decided to put together a movie or a video posted on YouTube. And boy, and it was about abortion. And it was really, I would say, a very benign way of putting it together.

I mean, it was super nonjudgmental. Well done. I don't know, maybe 15, 20 minutes long. And all hell broke loose, Sean. No, it completely did. You've seen, again, the left wing of social media and tech companies lose their minds that this little TikTok family, who again, has done very, very well. They have 13 million followers. They've done very well financially. 13 million on YouTube, Sean. million followers. They've done 13 million on YouTube, Sean. And I think each of those videos gets between one and two million views every time. Total watched 108 million views. They posted over

500 videos to their YouTube channel. They also have Instagram. The dad has five million Instagram followers. The mom has seven million Instagram followers. So they're they're very popular people and had not much. It had had a lot to lose if this didn't go well and they made that decision anyway to tell their story because abortion is actually a decision that they had to make. because abortion is actually a decision that they had to make. Savannah, the mom, was pregnant when she was 19 and decided not to have an abortion, decided to have the baby. And so that's why this issue is close to them. It is. And it goes back to my point. Again, you have this one viewpoint that comes from a lot of the tech companies, and I had mentioned the 13.1 million YouTube followers. A lot of the tech companies, and I had mentioned the 13.1 million YouTube followers, and they make their money off of advertisements that are placed onto their YouTube videos.

And again, have done very, very well, have created a lot of wealth for themselves. By the way, they look like Ken and Barbie. Yeah, that's totally what they look like. But YouTube decided that they would demonetize this pro-life documentary that they did. So they couldn't make money off the documentary. And I thought it was fascinating that the couple said, you know what? This is not about money. If we could save one baby or 10 babies or 100 babies or 1,000 babies off of this video, it was worth it. So by the way, when they posted the video, they made it clear that they were not going to make money off of it. This was going to go to a pregnancy crisis center that they're very close to.

And still, the tech companies demonetized it and with their algorithms made it very hard to find. Remember, these are one of the most popular social media influencers on YouTube. popular social media influencers on YouTube. And so here, let's play a clip from the beginning of their little video about abortion, explaining why they decided to do this and what their purpose is. So as we've been filming this documentary, we've been asked by our friends, by family, by mentors, why are we making this? There's so much at risk. Why are we even making this? Why are we adding flame to an already crazy burning fire? And the answer is just if one baby is safe from this, if one mom chooses to keep her baby from it, then it's all worth it. So that's why they decided to do it. Clearly, they have their own personal story. As I said, not only did Savannah, the mom, have a story of her own, you know, crisis pregnancy, but it turns out that the dad. Is it Cole?

When his grandmother had a crisis pregnancy, so his own mother came into the world, you know, with, you know, somebody who could have, you know, had an abortion or given him up for adoption as well. But his grandmother ended up having his mother and he says, well, I'm here because my grandmother decided to choose life. So that's why they did this video. And what they did, it was really interesting. Like I said, I think it's very effective, which is exactly why I think social media wanted to, and the tech companies, and then all the pressure groups, because this is really about pressure groups, decided that they want to take it down. They brought in an obstetrician to sort of talk about what happens in pregnancies and when he believes as a doctor, when does life begin? He also talked

about the exceptions because a lot of people will say, well, we have to do it because it saves mothers' lives. And he basically says, listen, that rarely ever happens where you have to choose between the baby and the mom. Usually when that happens, it's after the 22nd. Well, let's play this clip because he explains why you almost never have to choose between the mother and the baby. But there's a point to be made about this. We need abortion to save women's lives, really. The vast majority of times that a pregnancy becomes dangerous to a woman with many of these conditions. There are a few cases early in pregnancy, we can talk about those, but the vast, vast, vast number

of these cases occur after 22 weeks when the baby's viable. I have terminated, as a pro-life obstetrician gynecologist and almost 10 years of experience in a tertiary medical center, I have terminated, as a pro-life obstetrician gynecologist, and almost 10 years of experience in a tertiary medical center, I have terminated, i.e. ended, hundreds of pregnancies to save women's lives. How many babies did I have to deliberately kill in the process? None. Not even one. It's called delivery.

We're going to deliver this baby by cesarean section because it would be fast. I can do that within an hour. And we're going to take care of the both of them. I'm going to just have to leave it in God's hands. So he talks about how they can, you know, save the mom by simply going into an emergency C-section and deliver the baby. And if the baby survives, you know, then that's God's will, you know, with, with, with the technology we have available. And if the baby doesn't survive, then the baby doesn't survive, but he didn't intentionally kill the baby. And Sean, what's interesting is I've looked at all the comments and boy, they are, they are evil people going

after these, this, this, you know, family just for sharing their story and sharing their point of view. And they're not arguing with them on, for example, this point that pro-choicers make all the time that we need abortion to save women. They're not arguing with them on the fact, Sean, they're simply saying, this is, we can't, we're trying to get you canceled because you equated, you know, because in the beginning of the film, they show the numbers of people that have died in the Holocaust, the numbers of people who have died in different genocides, like in Rwanda, for example, and then the number of people, babies killed in abortion, which is like, you know, three times the number, 61 million people since Roe versus Wade. That is what

they're trying to hit them on to go, you invoke the Holocaust. How dare you? And you're, you know, and the comments are just, I mean, so over the top. One woman saying, I'll be dedicating my next abortion to the LeBron family. F you guys. Hope you never have to deal with your daughters potentially needing one. Hashtag pro-choice. And it goes on and on and on from there. And you can see, Sean, they just want to financially destroy this family for daring to speak up. And I think they're trying to make an example out of them. No, they are. And the left does really well at that. If you can make an example out of one person, right, and you can cancel them and demonetize them, it's a warning shot to anyone else who might rear their head and speak out on an issue that

they're passionate about. That's the game of the left. But when you have someone or a couple who's courageous enough to know what's going to come their way, and I'm sure they did, they are tech and social media savvy. They knew what kind of blowback they would get, but they had the courage to stand up and go, we're going to do this video because we believe in this issue. We believe it's an important issue. We believe we have a platform and we want to share the truth about abortion. And when you talked about the stats,

Rachel, they also mentioned how many, so 2000 babies die a day from abortion. I think they mentioned that a hundred people die every day from a car crash. They said like 1800 people a day die from heart disease. They kind of named all these things that kill Americans. And the number one killer of Americans is abortion by far. And that was a CDC stat that they used. When you talked about that obstetrician in the clip that you played, it's interesting because he used to be an abortion provider. I think he indicated he had done 1,200 abortions and he's now pro-life. And I've heard this from Catholic priests all the time. So I'm

sure pastors who are pro-life mentioned this, but you can put the priority on the life of the mother. The mother's life should be saved over the baby. And I think that's the appropriate mentality, but you can also try to save the baby as well. And that's what he's done. He said, I'm going to save the mother. And at the same time, I'm going to try to save the baby as well. And to his point, he said, I haven't had to abort one baby. I've ended pregnancies, but I've ended pregnancies in birth. And again, I had to bring the pregnancy to a close with birth because of the health of the mother. because of the health of the mother. And then we did everything we could to save this child's life, which is, again, they talk about love. This is a loving thought process, a loving mentality that they have with regard to babies in the womb. And listen, Rachel, because they have so much reach in social media, the left can't let this get out. The left can't actually let other opinions be heard. We see it not just on the abortion issue. We see this on every issue. They don't

want to debate. There's one way of thinking, and it's their way. And if you don't agree, you have to be canceled. Yeah. And it's so important to cancel people. Just shows how shallow their arguments are. I mean, I was in politics and you have to, if you don't have a good debate or politics and you have to, if you don't have a good debate or a good argument in a debate, you don't want to engage in the debate. But if you're confident in your argument and your point of view, you'll debate anybody. And debate is what this country has been based on. We debate, we argue, we fight about issues, and then we vote on them, which was the very crux of the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade that said, listen, there's not a constitutional right to abortion.

It's not mentioned in the Constitution. And so let's let people decide for themselves. Let states decide for themselves what's right for them, what meets their morals and values. use, let voters make this decision. And you've seen even the dishonesty of the left in saying that you can't have abortions in America any longer because of the Supreme Court's Dobb decision. Not true at all. It's actually going back to the voters, which is where it should have been from the first place. Yeah. I mean, it's just interesting because you make such a great point about debate. What they want to do is have no debate. I don't see any pro-lifers, by the way, trying to lobby the social media companies or other companies to silence pro-choice videos or pro-choice influencers. Pro-lifers, conservatives don't do that. They believe that their ideas can stand up to debate. And I think probably one of the most effective, it is the most effective thing they did in this video besides presenting,

you know, they always want to present pro-lifers as crazy or, you know, unhinged or people who are, you know, live off the grid or they're Amish, or I don't know what they're trying to present. They have little house in the prairie dresses on with long hair and a box. Exactly. Like they're branch Davidians, right? Right. This is a very attractive couple. I think they live in California. Um, and, and they have a story. They're not just, they're not just making pronouncements on abortion. They have a personal experience with choosing life and seeing what unfolds because they did that, which is their beautiful family. But I think the most effective thing they did in this video is they brought in another doctor, this one also a former abortionist, to explain what happens in an abortion. Oftentimes you have to dilate the cervix ahead of time because if you try to mechanically

dilate the cervix, it can lead to damage to the cervix. Then you just reach in with a heavy-duty clamp and grab whatever you can grab, an arm or a leg usually. And as you're pulling it through the cervix, the body's too big, so it's not going to come. And so with enough traction and twisting, the arm or the leg comes off. And you do that until you've got everything you can. And then you have to reach up and try to crush the bigger parts.

So like the chest and eventually the head. And then you just bring them out in pieces. That was Dr. Kathy Altman. I think a lot of times we talk about abortion, even the pro-life side, in terms of slogans. And it's choice, it's life, it's a fetus, it's a clump of cells. We talk about it, but very rarely do we actually pull the curtain and go, what really is happening in an abortion? And when you hear something like that, Sean, it's hard not to be jolted, but also to be confused about why those people are so angry that she compared it to,

that this couple in this video compared it to a genocide, to murder. I mean, it's gruesome stuff. You know, she also mentioned, and right after the clip ended, she also mentioned that when you actually crush the skull, you know, you've done that. Because again, the chest and the head are too big to come out. When you crush the skull, you know that because all this brain liquid then seeps out. It's really traumatic. And I think what's interesting, Rachel, is how language sanitizes horrific events. And if we can just say I'm pro-choice and not, to your point, pull the curtain back and go, actually, what is this? And if all of America understood what the procedure was and what was happening to a

little baby in the womb, and that, again, you're ripping limbs off and you're crushing chest and skulls. Again, I think that more people would be like, listen, that's horrific that I can't be part of a culture that treats an infant in the womb so horrifically. And I think it was the movie Amazing Grace. And this was, again, about sanitizing horrific events. And I don't want to compare the two, but I'm talking about language and sanitizing. But in the movie Amazing Grace, which is based on- Oh, it's an amazing movie. And Sean, you shouldn't, it's okay to make that comparison because there's a lot of parallels between the arguments that were used to justify slavery, which is what that movie was about.

That book, the original book was about, that book, the original book is about the abolitionist movement. The arguments used to justify slavery are very similar to the arguments used to justify abortion. But the elites in the UK were ambivalent to slavery. And one of the tactics used was to pull a slave ship up near where these elites in England were dining. And just the horrific smell of a slave ship was enough to get people to rethink how they thought about slavery and what their position was. And again, if we get people to actually think about what is abortion and have a real debate about what it is and what it does to a baby, what it does to a mom, what it does to our culture. And we had a truthful debate, I think we'd be way better off. And again, if you're going to vote for something, if you're

going to support something, know what you're supporting. Don't support the slogan, but if you want to support the actual gruesome procedure of abortion, know what you are supporting. when you utter those words. And I don't think a lot of people actually understand what happens because again, the left has been so good at sanitizing the language around abortion and this abortion provider. And you can tell there's a sadness when she talks about what she had done, but talks about what actually happens in the second trimester of an abortion. And that's not even to say what happens in the third trimester, the late term abortions, what happens there. Wait right there. We'll have more of this conversation next. As a Fizz member, you can look forward to free data, big savings on plans, and having your unused data roll over to the following month. Every month at Fizz,

you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply. Details at fizz.ca. Oh God, so much. My brain is exploding with stuff that you just said, Sean. First of all, I did. I felt her sadness. I can't imagine, you know, living on one side of this issue as an abortionist and then seeing the light of what you've accomplished. Of course, God's mercy is great. Thank God that it is. But to know and have to live with knowing what you participated in. But kudos to her. She's using that experience, that doctor is, to allow us to see and as you say, to desanitize it, you use that expression. I don't believe in abortion. I wouldn't have an abortion myself, but I don't want to stop other people from being able to have an abortion. You hear that all the time. That argument was used all the time. and in England, lots of people didn't own slaves, would never want to own a slave, had a moral issue with owning slaves, but said, who am I to interfere with somebody else who wants to own a slave? And again, going back to these issues, once you dehumanize someone, once you say this person is not fully human, you can justify doing anything to them. Those were the arguments used by the Nazis. Those were the arguments used to justify slavery, that black men and women and their

children were not fully human. And that's the same argument used in the abortion debate, that a fetus is not fully human. And if you can make that case and believe it, you can justify so much. And what's interesting, another interesting parallel in slavery and in abortion is that very powerful people profited from separating children from their parents. In the case of slavery, when you read the accounts of slavery, which we ought to, it's part of our history, and it's one of the ugliest things that ever happened in our country. One of the saddest things for me when I read the accounts of, say, Frederick Douglass is when he was separated from his mom, And then he was, as a baby, sent to his grandmother, who was a retired slave who lived on the plantation property. But at a certain age, I think at five or six years old, his grandmother had to walk him back to the master's house and leave him there. And he was separated from his mother and then separated from

a grandmother who'd been loving on him for six years. It is just the most heartbreaking thing. And it's the same thing here. Somebody is profiting from separating a child from its mother and father. And so these are fascinating parallels, but we're living in fascinating times, fascinating parallels, but we're living in fascinating times, Sean. I mean, you were part of a group in Congress who took the undercover videos of the sale of baby body parts and tried to do a hearing in the US Congress to, again, bring light to what is actually happening in this industry. We had a select committee and paneled to investigate the sale and profit of baby body parts. And it's real that you have the preservation

of certain body parts that can be sold into research across the country and massive amounts of money are being made off aborted babies. And we looked to China and think about the Uyghurs who are having their own bodies and organs harvested for the use of someone else. The same thing with abortion is being done here in America, and we think it's horrific in China. Then it should be horrific here as well. And these hearings went a long way to expose

what was happening in this industry and who was profiting, whether it was Planned Parenthood. There were stand up companies that facilitated the sales, but then universities, public universities that that were then buying these body parts for experimentation and research. But, yeah, I bless you and and and um and uh senator blackburn yes yeah all of you who brought that to life uh to light and especially the center for medical progress who did those undercover they did these undercover videos which by the way also showed that you know some there was a premium if you could harvest the organs while the while the while the fetus the baby was still alive so there were in the undercover videos there were you know abortion employees who testified to having been part of the live vivisection to harvest a baby's brain while it was still alive i mean this is gruesome stuff

you know rachel you you mentioned freder mentioned Frederick Douglas, and we've been talking about the kind of the politics of the language and the debate. Brian Kilmeade, I love him as an author. I love him on Fox and Friends. I love his Saturday Night Show, but he wrote a great book about Lincoln and Douglas. And I'm like, I've asked him, do you write your own books, Brian? And he actually does, and he brings history alive. But in his book on Lincoln and Douglas, he talks about the politics between these two men on slavery. And Lincoln was moving way too slow for Douglas. I mean, Douglas was a slave himself who got to freedom and was a major force in driving the conversation for the abolitionist movement. And Lincoln understood that the

country wasn't there yet. He understood the politics of the day and how far he could go. He was anti-slavery, but could only go so far as the president, as the country would allow him. And the debate that was happening at the time and the interplay between those two minutes, fascinating to go back through Brian Kilmeade and read that. I love the book. I recommend it for everyone's reading. But kind of to move the conversation forward, Rachel, what I loved, what the LeBrants did in their pro-life video is they talk about abortion. They brought in the abortionists, which we just mentioned. But then they also talk about love and how do you support people or a woman who has an unplanned pregnancy and they recognize the fear of how am I going to pay for the baby? How am I going to get diapers? Where am I going to live for some women

as well? And the pressure they're under, Sean. And the pressure that I have. And you have to recognize the fear that comes with an unplanned pregnancy. And if you don't recognize that, it is a very fearful experience. And I think what it is, is you're afraid of the unknown. You're afraid of what's going to happen to you. And I think in those circumstances, there's a little bit of faith that has to come into play. You have to, you're on the diving board and can you jump off? Do you have faith that, that God will take care of you? That there's people out there, good people that in organizations that will help support

you if you choose life, is there other options like adoption that you have? It is a, it is a leap of faith for life and love that a mom takes who is in this crisis point. But again, they recognize that in the video, I think is really powerful because you can't just sit back and go, this is a really easy decision and choose life. It's not. It's hard. It's complicated. You're fearful as you go through that circumstance. Is your boyfriend or your husband- Pressuring you to do it or your parents could be pressuring you. Are they walking away? They talked about maybe your parents don't know that little Susie was having sex with

little Johnny and that's a fearful thing to talk about. And it's easier or so they say easier to just get rid of the problem, which actually is never getting rid of the problem. No, it just creates a whole new set of problems. It's interesting because Savannah spoke about that pressure that she was under from a firsthand point of view. 80% of women who have had abortions say that they wouldn't have done it if they had had support, whether it was from their parents, their friends, their family, the person who got them pregnant

usually is the one who is walking away from the responsibility. And that's really hard. And so there's a role for so many people in this. And it's it's Price Crisis Pregnancy Centers, like the one they highlighted. That was so wonderful. The organization that they highlighted. Sean, can you see if you find the name of that of that organization? I'm going to look for it while we're talking here. But it was a great organization that, you know, works through churches because, you know, a lot of people, you know, Christian girls are not exempt from these situations. They happen to everybody. And the abortion rate within the, you know, church, you know, people who consider themselves

church going and those outside is not much different. And so she wanted to create a, a, a program that could be duplicated across the country and all kinds of churches so that when girls found themselves in, uh, or women found themselves in a crisis pregnancy situation, the first place they would go to would be a, you know, this organization that, that, that she started. But those organizations, there's many across the country, there's many resources even offered. In Pennsylvania, for example, there's a group called Real Alternatives. And it actually funds all these crisis pregnancy centers with state and federal dollars across the state of Pennsylvania. But again, Sean, you highlighted the stress that women are under and understanding that what they need and what they really want, if you look at the statistics on it, they don't want abortion. What they want is love and support.

Because I think it's antithetical to, you know, human beings to kill their babies. And if they have a choice, if they have someone or an organization that will support them to say, listen, we'll help you get through this. You're going to be OK. You can still have your hopes and dreams and your baby. And, you know, we're going to help you financially. We're going to help you with, you know, again, the food, the clothes, the car seat. I think that's imperative. And I talk about this a lot, Rachel, and so do you. I look at politics and we all care about

the president because, by the way, Joe Biden has been so bad for America. The policies are so bad for America. We focus on that. We focus on the Senate. We focus on the House. And those are really important because big decisions are made there. Supreme Court nominees are confirmed by the Senate and nominated by the president. It matters. But the most control, the most say that we have is in our own families and our own lives. And so for us, we say, listen, let's save our own families. And if every conservative saved their own family, made sure the left didn't get their kids, and we have this in our own family on kind of how we've learned through the education system on where we're going to make sure that we've, I mean, you love your kids like nothing else. support the values that we believe in, but also where the left doesn't have control and doesn't use this professionalized way of indoctrinating young people. We're going to send them to good schools that educate them. The same thing is true in this space. You can look to your own community.

Oftentimes, we don't see someone who's going through that pain and struggle of an unplanned pregnancy, but there are facilities, whether they're in your county or in the neighboring county that provide crisis pregnancy services. Do you volunteer? Do you give money to those crisis pregnancy centers? If you've had kids, do you donate? And we have to do a better job of this too. We've had so many kids, Rachel. Because I keep having kids, So I keep having to reuse the stuff, Sean. I know what you're saying. Do you have a car seat? When we lived in Wisconsin, I donated, before we moved to Jersey, I donated a lot of swings and things that I knew I didn't want to bring back to the crisis pregnancy center.

But also, Sean, what are you telling your own daughters? So just recently, I had a conversation with our daughter who's 18, who has a boyfriend. And I said, obviously, I hope you're not having sex because you shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage. But I want you to know that if you... And by the way, now that I think of it, it was around, we watched this video together from the LeBrands. And after that, watching that video, I said to her, I said, obviously, I don't want you to have sex before marriage, but I want you to know that if you were ever to get pregnant, I never want you to be afraid to tell me. I want you to know that I will help you, that you will never have to feel like you're trapped because I will be there for you and I will always help you.

And I said that to her. And if more parents said that and meant it, I think we'd have a lot less girls that are scared to death because it is scary. Listen, it's scary to have a baby when you're married and have a husband to support you. To take this on is not easy. It is a leap of faith, as you said, Sean. But with unplanned pregnancies comes so much unplanned joy. And they talked about this in this little movie. He talked about, because my grandmother made this choice, because my wife made that choice when she was 19 to have that baby, that we ended up having a family. And now we have all these kids

and we have our family. And he talked about, you know, the need for men to step up that, you know, abortion, Sean has been such a scapegoat for men. It has made it easy because they could say the whole rhetoric on the abortion side is it's a woman's choice. Well, I guess that means he's not involved in the decision when actually the guy who got you pregnant should be taking responsibility and taking care of you in every way, shape, form, financially, spiritually, socially, psychologically, emotionally. And he talked about that. I think, you know, actually is what he thinks should happen. But they were accusing this couple of and him in particular of

mansplaining or something. They tried some feminist thing to tear down this video. Not true at all. I think what he said was beautiful. Listen, it's already hard enough, as is for a mom to do this let alone being alone um so i feel like as men we need to step up we need to rise to the occasion whenever something that maybe seems unfortunate and difficult at the time could come to be one of the greatest blessings in your life so true and when he talks about the blessing there there's another segment where he talks to a woman who had an unplanned pregnancy. The boyfriend who she loved walked away and said, you deal with it. I'm completely out.

And she went to Planned Parenthood, was given a pill, sent home. A chemical abortion, essentially, which 40% of all abortions are done that way, Sean. And something came out. So she thought she had aborted the baby. And three months later, she wasn't feeling normal. She felt like things were going on in her body. And so she went to the doctor to see what was going on. And she explained her history.

And he said, well, you have a five-month-old baby. And she had the baby and talked about how joyful she was that she had this beautiful, healthy little baby. And she was afraid that the attempt of a chemical abortion would have somehow affected the baby. And it didn't. Beautiful little child. She calls it a blessing from God that she has this child that she was able to give life to that the abortion um pill didn't actually oh she was so grateful she said she she was so so grateful that it didn't work and she was so ashamed when she helped me by the way

that was like the cutest baby ever like this baby that she was holding. Oh my God. It was just, she was just so beautiful, this baby. And, you know, she's holding this baby and going, oh my gosh, now she knows, um, she'll know forever that she just was, she was meant to be here. I mean, it didn't work. And so it's just, um, again, I think what this, what this couple did, um, is dangerous for the pro-choice movement, for the pro-abortion movement, because they humanized it. It was personal to them, to both of them. They presented their arguments in a very nonjudgmental, I felt, accurate and loving way. And I could see if a lot of young women in particular, but young people in general saw this video, it would cause them to think it would cause them to pause because right now

on social media, what they're getting is a lot of sloganeering. Like we talked about a lot of virtue signaling and just trying to fit in with the Hollywood crowd. That's, you know, and the, and the pro-choice crowd that dominates our culture and makes people feel like, you know, if to fit in, you have to be on this side of the argument on their side of the argument. And suddenly you watch this video and you're like, of the argument. And suddenly you watch this video and you're like, wow, this is, I could see how it's effective. I could see, Sean, why social media had to shut it down. What I can't understand is how they could justify demonetizing it. On what grounds? We'll be back with much more after this.

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and you think they're a platform for everyone to use. And they're really not. They're a platform for the left. And if they disagree with you, they take you off. But what's, what is frightening to the left is the courage for one, you know, influential family to stand up for life. They want to punish you. You said this at the start of our podcast, Rachel, they want to punish you so no one else will dare speak out on an issue that the left is with. And I think when one, I see this all the time, when one person has courage to stand up and

speak the truth, it actually gives other people courage to speak the truth. And courage is contagious. And you see it in this space. They don't want the courage of the life movement to be contagious. They want to shut it down because, again, on the debate side, the truth will side with life. And what gets me is that the Democrats, by the way, this has been a movement of the Democrat party because they have tried to eradicate anyone out of their party who is pro-choice. Dan Lipinski, the last congressman from Illinois who is pro-choice. Dan Lipinski, the last

congressman from Illinois who was pro-life, they took him out in the last election. Great guy, great pro-life, love the man to death, good Catholic man. They took him out because he was pro-life. They can't allow the argument to stand. They can't allow the debate to be engaged in. They have to eradicate it. And again, if more people will speak out, I think the more contagious this becomes. Just one point I want to make, Rachel, on Democrats. There used to be a time when they said, what was Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton, safe, rare, but legal was the phrase I think they used to use. But they understood the old school Democrats of the 80s and the 90s, how this was not to be celebrated. This was actually a tragic event. They wanted it legal. They wanted it safe and they wanted it rare. That has morphed

now into a celebration of- Shout your abortion. now into a celebration of- Shout your abortion. And let's all celebrate it. It's empowering. This is a great thing. And the sickness that has taken over the party that would have that viewpoint, it is shameful. The pastors, good men that I know that are Democrats, that are pastors in Congress, I love them. They're really good men. They're friends of mine. But I think they know in their hearts that this is wrong. But to be a Democrat, they can't be pro-life. And again, they let the politics supersede, I think, what their faith teaches them. And it's too bad. And I wish if you had Democrats, and again, even in the African-American community, and our daughter, Revita, did a thesis paper at the University of Chicago on Margaret Sanger.

She's the founder of Planned Parenthood. And it's minority communities and it's poor communities that the focus of abortion is on. And again, if you don't have- And the disabled, Sean. That's right. The disabled and the mentally challenged, the special needs community. And if you don't have a job that pays you $100,000 a year, you make $40,000 a year, why can't you have the joy of a family?

I mean, you've seen families and family values in the poorest parts of the country, and it's the joy that comes from families and kids. What's the purpose of love? What's the purpose of life? And you should be able to experience that as a human being, no matter how much you make, but to think that only the rich or the elites should be having babies. But if you're a minority or you're poor, you should be aborting them. How sick is that thought process, which permeates the Democrat party? Do you remember, Sean, when Janet Yellen was in a hearing with Senator Tim Scott? I do. And Tim Scott absolutely up or was in his hearing and

spoke up and said, my mom was a single mom who grew up in poverty and got pregnant with me. And, you know, basically, I don't remember exactly the words, but shamed her. Really? I mean, what? Exactly what you said. Why? Poor people should not be able to have a family, should not be able to have a child. Is Senator Tim Scott's life any less valuable than the life of somebody from a rich family?

Of course not. Of course not. Is the life of Valentina, our ninth child, any less valuable? Who has Down syndrome, by the way, than the lives of our other children? There is absolutely a genocide against the Down syndrome community. There's no question about it. 80 to 90% of all diagnoses of Down syndrome are end in abortion. That's a genocide. That's eugenics. The Tim Scott moment was a brilliant moment to say, again, all life matters. And the joy of

bringing a baby into the world is joyful, whether you make a lot of money or not. Yes. And that's not relevant to the joy, the human joy that happens of having a child and rearing a child. Senator Rick Scott from Florida, you hear his story. He's done, I mean, the guy is- He's amazing too. Fantastically wealthy. He was in public housing on food stamps. He was born and raised in one of the poorest families in the communities in which they lived and they moved all over the place, one of the poorest families in the communities in which they live. And they moved all over the place, really, really poor, but he worked really, really hard. And he's been an amazing success story. So to say that you can't, I mean, that if you have some poverty in your life that you

shouldn't have this joy is actually, it's a sickness in the Democrat party. And again, it's a sickness in our culture, Sean. It's a sickness in our culture. And any culture that could reject an uplifting, informative, truly nonjudgmental film like the LeBrant family put together, it says more about our culture than it does about the LeBrant family. By the way, you can support the LeBrant family

by subscribing to their YouTube channel. That's one way you can vote with your feet and let them know. Because by the way, they lost some followers. They had a lot of lies and misinformation spread about them in order to punish them economically and otherwise reputationally for putting out the truth about abortion and about life. And so, you know, you can subscribe to them and you can you have to do a little bit of search. But if you put in LeBrant, L.A., capital B-R-A-N-T family and then abortion, you can try to find that film. The algorithms are suppressing it. I know if you go to The Federalist and put that in, they put the video up on their site. There are other places.

You got to look for it. That's what's so sad. It's not going to pop up on your feed the way other horrible things are popping up in your kids' feeds all the time. The social media pajama boy tyrants have made sure that this video certainly won't pop up on your kids' feeds all the time. The social media pajama boy tyrants have made sure that this video certainly won't pop up on your kids' feeds. And they are little pajama boy tyrants. You're exactly right, Rachel, that run these social media algorithms. And as we wrap this up, I'm

thankful to Donald Trump, who for the first time, as he was running for president, said, I'm going to appoint pro-life justices to the court. That had never been said before. And he actually delivered on that. And we've seen the overturning of Roe v. Wade through the Dobbs decision that gave the right back to states, gave the right to voters. So thank you to Donald Trump and thank you to justices who have been protested. Attempts on their lives have been made. The Department of Justice hasn't enforced the law. Merrick Garland, shame on you. They haven't enforced the law, but these justices have stood firm for the Constitution and for democracy to let people have a say in this really important

and divisive issue, which is how you make things less divisive is when people get a vote on things, they get a debate, argue, and then vote. So thank you to Trump. Thank you to the court. But as we look internally, courage matters. And again, the LeBron family, thanks for having the courage. They did. And put a video out like this. Courage does beget more courage. And for us, I do think that every day we engage in the national politics, but this is really simple. Focus at home. We all have huge influences in our own home lives, in our own home communities. We can make a difference more so than national politics with the crisis pregnancy center in our

county, in our community. Give to them or donate your time to them. If you have baby clothes or baby car seats, give it to them. They'll be reused. And raise good kids. Talk about this issue with them. And Rachel, I loved you. By the way, I was like, what? You talked to our daughter? I wasn't there for that conversation. I did. And God forbid that she would be having sex. I hope that's not happening. I hope we raised her differently than that. But with that said, I do think it's an important conversation to say if that was happening and you did have this situation, I think a lot of parents would say, well, of course she's not doing that. Well, sometimes we don't know what our kids are doing.

Maybe that's the point with our own daughter. Or they would say, of course I would be there to help them. But the young teen doesn't know that the young teen is shamed, is scared, is stressed. By the way, hormones, all this stuff is happening or they're getting pressured by their boyfriend or just sort of, you know, that lie that you have to, you know, if you get pregnant in college or high school, the world tells you that you have to choose between your baby and your dreams. And that's not true. It's the biggest lie. I mean, you think about Satan and the lies that Satan tells.

That's probably one of the biggest lies Satan tells women and girls is that you have to choose between the life of your child and your dreams. And you can have both. And there are resources out there. And that's why I'm so glad it was called Embrace Grace was the name of that crisis center. But there are centers across the country that will help you if your family is not able to help you. And I'm glad you brought up Donald Trump, Sean. I know we got to get going here, but I do want, I mean, you're right. It starts at the home. It starts in your community. It does. But, and this issue in particular, one man made the whole difference when he was running. He said something that no one dared say, not even Ronald

Reagan or George Bush. Nobody dared say I am only appointing pro-life constitutional justices. And that's what he did. I remember when he was in the primary and I had pro-life activists calling me from across the country. They knew that I was supporting Donald Trump in the primary. And they were like, are you sure we should take a chance on this guy? This issue, we've been working for so long. We've been toiling as activists, peacefully trying to change the culture and the politics around this issue. And I just said, I don't know. I just have a feeling about this guy. And boy, did we all turn out to be right. I mean, no one could have done this. He

did it. And of course, God did it too, because, you know, those openings popped up. And if you think that the left is mad, was mad at Donald Trump when he was president, oh boy, they are furious at him now because the fruits of those appointments has resulted in the overturning of this decision and sending it back to the states and and the work is just beginning for the pro-life community. Now, now we're going to see what the pro-life community is really made up. Are they going to step up, especially in those states that are are likely to ban abortion in their states or put really strict limitations on it. That means that pro-lifers and the states themselves are going to have to step up and provide that help that women need. And so anyway, I'm so glad we could highlight this family shot.

Go ahead. Can I just say one last thing? It makes me think of that the, that, that the belly laugh that God must have at what he's done to go, I'm the, the, the, the, the most pro-life president you're going to have is going to be Donald Trump. Who would have thought, you know, that again, he has not, I mean, he, he has led a unique lifestyle. He's been in the public square. He's been a Democrat. He's been pro-choice.

It's so funny what you just said. Do you know what I was thinking as you just said that? Remember when we used to watch The Apprentice? If somebody had said to me while we were watching The Apprentice, that guy is going to make sure that Roe versus Wade is overturned. I mean, we could have never believed that. Never believed. And again, it's like the humor that God has to go. Yes. And he sends he sends unique, unique, unique people to do unique things at unique times. And this is one of those that I

think the pro-life movement movement is a bit in shock to go. Not yet. Not Ronald Reagan, not, you know, evangelicals, you know, the Bushes. It wasn't going to be Ted Cruz. I was going to be Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the one who actually did this. And the humor that surrounds that is fantastical. And how he works in mysterious ways is amazing to me. And he did it here. And again, to your point, Rachel, this now goes back to the states and the pro-life community and engaging in the honesty of abortion, the honesty of the debate. And it's our job to make sure it's not sanitized anymore. Let's talk about what it is, what it does. Let's talk about love and help and support and wrapping our arms around mothers.

Those new mamas. Those new moms who just, and those babies who just want a chance to live. So anyway, great conversation. Kudos to the LeBron family. I always thought they were cute. I always saw the videos with our kids showing us all their little videos. Um, and, and now, now I'm fans because that takes a lot of courage and, um, and, and, and what they did was, was, was remarkable and people should support them. And as we wrap up here too, yesterday's podcast on Carlos and Alexa, who actually stand up for life. They're in the culture.

And again, they're standing up to say, we're pro-life. We're Christians. We're pro-life. Yeah. Hollywood actors stepping out. This is dangerous to the left, but a really good sign that courage begets courage. And again, if people who make a lot of money and are exposed to public criticism can do it, so can you. So can you,

Rachel. So can I. So can all of us stand up and lend our voices to the little babies in the womb who don't have voices, that don't have lobbyists, that don't have money, that don't have a group out there fighting for them. They need someone to fight for them. And so, and so too, for their mothers who also need our love and our support and our embrace. So, um, good conversation. Yeah. Thank you all for joining us on this podcast of the kitchen table. We wanted to talk about this Dobbs decision and the life issue and the LeBrants gave us that perfect opportunity with this wonderful documentary. It's 48 minutes long, check it out. Um, and Rachel, thanks for, thanks for being a pro-life mother and being a voice for other women and other babies out there. Very grateful. You can say things that I can't say sadly in

culture, and I appreciate that you do it. Yeah. Well, I think my proudest moments with you were when you were on that committee exposing what it was um and when you were calling out the democrats and especially the black caucus um in uh in congress um for not standing up for what's clearly um uh this industry is targeting african americans when you have more um abortions than live births in the city of new york um you you know that they're being targeted and that minorities are being targeted and abortion clinics are, you know, clustered around these, you know, minority neighborhoods, especially black neighborhoods. And so, you know, I'm very proud of your work in the movement as well and how you used your platform, your position in Congress

to stand up, as you said, for people who don't have lobbyists or a voice or a congressman to stand up for them. You lent your voice to them in the halls of Congress and in that House chamber. So I love you for that and always will. Thank you. Well, listen, we appreciate you again joining us around our kitchen table. Great conversation and a great lot of work to be done moving forward. So we appreciate it. If you like our podcast, you can rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe. Give us a good rating. We'd appreciate it. And we hope to see you around the kitchen table next week. Bye, everybody. Bye-bye. jason in the house the jason chaffetz podcast dive deeper than the headlines and the party lines

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