From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Is Wokeism The United States' Cultural Revolution?

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

Are there parallels between the communist cultural revolution in China and the woke culture spreading through society in the United States? Sean and Rachel explore the question with a survivor of Mao Zedong's rule in China, Xi Van Fleet, as she looks back on her childhood living under a communist regime.   Xi lays out how "cancel culture" has been used as a tool to strike down dissidents in America, why parents should become more involved in monitoring what their kids are learning in schools, and how communism seeks to destroy traditional families and religion.   Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two freshly cracked eggs any way you like them. Three strips of naturally smoked bacon and a side of toast. Only $6 at A&W's in Ontario. Experience A&W's classic breakfast on now. Dine-in only until 11 a.m. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host of the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. It's great to be here, Sean, and we have an amazing topic.

We talk so much about what's going on in this country. And I was recently watching Bill Maher, who was interviewing Elon Musk, and he asked the question that a lot of Americans have, which is, where's all this woke coming from? What is the root of it? So listen. I was trying to figure out where it's coming from. I think it's actually been a long time brewing in that it's been going on for a while.

The amount of indoctrination that's happening in schools and universities is, I think, far beyond what parents realize. And I only sort of came to realize this somewhat late. The experience that we had in high school and college is not the experience that kids today are having and hasn't been for, I don't know, 10 years, maybe 20 years. So that was Bill Maher, Real Time with Bill Maher from April 28th. Elon Musk giving an answer to what's happened with the woke virus, but not a very good answer. Yeah, he didn't really have, he didn't really go, he seems, he's kind of recent. They're both kind of wondering, but I think a lot of Americans are also wondering. So we thought we'd invite

somebody onto the show today. Who can answer that question? Who has the answer to the question. And that is Xi Van Fleet. And she is a survivor of the cultural revolution under Mao in China. And she says it goes all the way back to that. Xi, so great to have you. Thank you so much for inviting me. Xi, it's great to have you at the kitchen table. As we were talking before the podcast, you're drinking water, we're drinking coffee. Just a good, friendly conversation about the craziness in America. And I love that you go

back to your experience to say what I'm seeing here is what I actually saw in China in the cultural revolution. So we would like you to explain what happened in China with the cultural revolution. If you could just explain that to our viewers and listeners. Yes, thank you so much. Explain that to our viewers and listeners. Yes, thank you so much. This is a topic I'm passionate about. You know, people like me who experienced communism, especially in China, who experienced a cultural revolution, it is obvious.

It's obvious what's going on here. It's a repeat of what happened in China more than 50 years ago. So the Americans don't know because they never taught that part of the history. And they have no idea because they thought this is new, but it's not. It happened before and it happened to me. So what is woke? To me, it is absolutely a Marxist revolution. But it's a different kind of Marxist revolution. It's a cultural Marxist revolution. And all the things that happening here happened in China division.

There is by class, here is by race, and cancel culture. Why cancel culture? Because the whole goal of the Marxist culture revolution is to overthrow the traditional culture and replace it with the new culture, which is Marxist culture. And all the chaos goes with it and all the intolerance. And it's absolutely the same thing because it is the same thing. Yeah. Increasingly the retribution as well. So let's talk before we get into because I think it's so fascinating because I have a mom who also had an experience with communism and was raising red flags going, I see so many similarities here. She started seeing them, you know, when Obama got into office and this slow crescendo. And I think the confusion comes with that a lot of people see this as race, it's race, it's gender.

So it feels newer than sort of the class issues that you were dealing when you were a kid living under the Cultural Revolution. So talk to us just a little bit more about your direct experience under there. You were 16 years old. You were sent off into the countryside to work. What did you see? What did the Cultural Revolution in China look like and feel like to you? What did you observe? Yeah.

Actually, the Cultural Revolution started when I was in my first grade. So it took 10 years. It's from 1966 to 1976 when Mao died. And the whole time I was in school getting the indoctrination. And it's not just ordinary indoctrination, it's radicalized indoctrination. And we missed two years of schooling because school was closed.

And just- That sounds familiar. Yes, it's an experience here. But for us, it's because the Red Guards shut down everything, shut down schools. All the school administrators were ousted. I remember, being a seven-year-old, I remember going to the classroom and saw on the blackboard, the teachers wrote, no class for three days.

And nobody knew that lasted for two years. And so I, because there was no school, I and with other kids, we absolutely witnessed the chaos that unfolding before us. At first, it was just struggle sessions and denouncing actions of administrators and teachers, anybody in authority position, and eventually it evolved into violence. And so after 10 years of not learning a thing, I was sent to the countryside to get my re-education because we need to get the re-education from the peasants. So I stayed in the countryside working under primitive condition for three years until finally Deng Xiaoping took power and gradually brought everything back to normal. And I was able to go to college

and study English and eventually was able to come here. Xi, can I have you roll back for a second? You said there were struggle sessions. What is a struggle session? I'm glad it's becoming more and more familiar to Americans. Struggle session is basically public trial of anyone who condemned as anything. And counter-revolutionary,

kind of like today's racist, bigot. And actually, yeah, it's happening right here now. And it's a different form. But the Red Guards and then were remobilized. And then they will have like a trial, a public trial of someone. And it's from a lower ranking officials to the highest, which is the president, president of China, Liu Shaoqi.

I, as a little girl, I witnessed the struggle session of the governor of my province, Sichuan province. Yeah, so the Red Guards got him up on the stage and he had to wear a big sign with his name crossed out and he was named reactionary and counter-revolutionary. And so I have no idea what the crimes he was committed because they read it out and then people shouting and with raised fists and all that. And that happened to so many people. And part of the revolution, of course, is destroy all the old tradition. And actually, the real goal of the Cultural Revolution is for Mao

to get power back. He feel like the CCP bureaucrats were no longer following his orders and no longer totally loyal to him. So it's a power struggle. And the same here. Same here. People need to understand it's all about power. Yeah. And so he wanted to make this he wanted people to be more loyal to him, more loyal to the Marxist ideology. He needed to take people, kids out of school so that he could re-indoctrinate the teachers and make sure that then when they come back, the students are now following a very strict Marxist ideology. He had to make sure leaders like the governor of your province were on board or make examples of them, correct? Yes, absolutely. Talk to me about the family,

because family and religion is clearly a threat to the communist state. How was that dealt with there? I mean, I think we're feeling it here a lot. I think those parallels are a lot more apparent and obvious. But let's talk about how they did that in China. Yeah, it is clearly laid out in Communist Manifesto that the goal of communism is to abolish family and religion. And of course, in China, we have multiple religions. We don't have one dominant religion.

If anything, that's Confucianism. That started the day that communists took over China in 1949. All the churches and temples were either destroyed or shut down. And during the Cultural Revolution, they finished up that whatever remained. Religion is absolutely intolerated. and we were taught like the Marx famous quote religion is the opium to the people and we were taught for I have no idea what religion was really about but I knew for sure it was bad it was superstition it was a way for the ruling class to hold people obedient. And so religion was totally destroyed, and so was the family. And the family was like the building block of any society. From day one, we were taught, not just the kids, but all Chinese people,

that the party and Chairman Mao were the real parents of the Chinese people. And at the age of three, my father managed to keep the records, paper records for us. And I just found out one, not too long ago, an evaluation paper of me when I was in kindergarten at the age of three. And there was part is the moral evaluation and said me as a three-year-old understood that Mao was our great leader and he loved his little children and I wanted to be his good

little child and from from that young age we knew that Mao was our real parent. We have songs that we sing. They're still singing today. And the sky is vast. The earth is vast. But nothing is as vast as the party's kindness. And the father is dear, mother is dear, and no one is as dear as Xi Jinping. They still sing it today. Do you remember, I don't know if you remember this, Xi, but when Obama was elected, remember, Sean, there were little kids that were singing songs about Obama in school. And I remember watching it going, this feels really Chinese. That was the first when I really started to go, this feels different. So the Chinese family is so strong. How does he manage?

I mean, I get what you're saying about what, you know, you had to repeat these things and say these things. But one of the things about Chinese culture is the family. That's got to be a really big nut to crack. Yeah, but they did it. And during the Cultural Revolution, we have just so many, so many examples of people reporting their parents to the party. And there is one very well-known story of this boy of 16. He reported his mother complaining about the Cultural Revolution at home. And two months later, she was executed.

And not just only that, Liu Shaoqi was the president of China. He was purged by Mao. And after that, two of his children wrote an article condemning their father and called him Liu Shaoqi with an ugly soul. And they said, if my family doesn't want us, the party will have us. And so it is absolutely just the family totally destroyed. And there are stories of parents reporting their children. So that's what the communists were able to do to destroy Chinese family. And then they depend on

it. You know, here, if you look at the Republican and Democrat Party, Republicans focus on economics, right? We want lower taxes. We want less regulation. And if the economy grows, Republicans think, you know, voters will support them. Democrats have, I think, been far more effective in building out this cultural movement. And if you look back to China, there were really hard economic times with the cultural revolution. There was famine and devastation. That didn't change people's minds about communism, did it? It almost made the movement stronger. So economics really doesn't break a Marxist movement in a country.

No, I think the Marxist movement is really about controlling people's minds. Absolutely. When you control people's minds, you control their speech, right? You control how they think. And they did that with all sorts of tactics. And of course, they had power. So they control the source of information. So when I grew up, the only thing I knew was what they told me. And how can you expect a people that can think independently and that can think critically when they have no information? And that's going on today.

The moment, I don't know whether they've been to China, the moment you landed, Google is not available. Twitter is not available. You are just absolutely cut out from outside world, just like the Cultural Revolution, when we had no other source of information. When listening to BBC and the Voice of America was a crime punished by death. And so control of information, but I was just still, I can't get over it.

And today the Democrats were able to control the people's mind when the information is still there. When the information on the other side was a different perspective, it's just one click away. But people don't want to do that. They want to stay in their little, really, prison. And they don't want to learn any other information. And I think the Democrats did a marvelous job of indoctrinating not just the kids, but the adults. And of course, they have done that for decades.

So there is a control of information that I think we're all becoming much more aware of. I mean, as I'm a conservative woman, Sean was a Republican member of Congress. We've always felt like the media was on their side. And that was sort of the extent of it. But then there was something that shifted a threat, I feel like, because we're talking about the parallels, right, here, you know, in China, and there, you know, Twitter files revealed they were actually trying to control information. It was interesting, you were talking about the government, the government was colluding, that's right. The government colluding with big tech to control information. But it's interesting what you said that, you know, people are still they don't want to know.

But maybe it's that that fear of being just as in China, people were afraid of being labeled anti Maoist. Right. Or anti, you know, the revolution, the communist revolution here. They're afraid of being called racist or homophobic. And and these threats, if you're labeled with that, it affects your livelihood. It affects your position in society. Is that is that what's what's getting people? And then a little by little, they just, by being silent, by not expressing themselves, eventually they just become totally submissive and maybe even accept it.

What is the process like, I guess? I think this a lot. I think what is the difference in China, you have to understand, the Mao has total control. And so if you dare to voice your opinion, any opinion, you really, really run the risk of being jailed at least or executed. But here I'm thinking the cultural revolution that's taking place here is really what the left has been doing is abuse the um the the the western culture that really is tolerant tolerant of free speech right we tolerant different uh uh we're not just totally

we cherish that right but the abuse that the american people really tolerate of different opinions, they are really not racist. And they really, by now, I think that the reason that everyone is so, so, so scared of being called racist, being so, so, so, so afraid of being called a white supremacist proves that. So, so, so, so afraid of being called a white supremacist. Proves that. Proves that because that's why, because of them on the left, and because of us on the right, we give so much power to the word racist. And we'll do anything not to be called a racist. And that's how they control us.

They name everybody, anybody who they disagree with racist. And being labeled racist is almost like a death sentence in terms of popularity and jobs and a livelihood. livelihood. And that's how I take it. But I just want to say, racist is equivalent of counter-revolutionary. You're in a counter-revolution. That is a label that fits everyone, anyone. You just call this person counter-revolutionary and this person is finished. You don't need proof. You just need someone call you counter-revolutionary. We'll have more of this conversation after this. actions. That's not really what I do. Is that because you don't have any knees? Or... The Scorebet. Trusted sports content. Seamless sports betting. Download today. 19 plus. Ontario only.

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or Ford.ca. So, Xi, if you look in China, they attack those who might have had thoughts to push back against Mao. But it didn't just stay with those who were supportive of Mao and getting rid of or silencing or having struggle sessions

with those who disagreed with him. Actually, those who were part of the movement actually became targets as well, right? No, no. I thought that they'd gone for the peasants and then they'd gone for lower ranking communists. I guess you're saying, do they eventually eat their own? Or is it just full allegiance? Is that what you're saying, do they eventually eat their own? Or is it just full allegiance? Is that what you're asking? The communism is really, it's one.

Okay, the last tweet I did is, in Chinese, it's called 挑动群众,斗群众. Translation is mobilize mass against mass. That's all they have been doing. Throughout the campaigns, someone calculated that Mao, in his about 27 year of rule, he launched more than 50 campaigns.

50. That means there is more than one every year. Every campaign is some people against other. And it never stops. Today, you are the victim. Next day, you are the next. That's what he's saying. That's what Sean's saying, Xi.

That's what Sean's point is that you could be in line with Mao one day and then there's another campaign and then suddenly you're the target. Right, because one day they had to blame someone for the problems in the country. So they blamed the peasants or those in the rural community. And then the next day they were like, well, it's actually low level, low level, you know, communists.

You had to blame them. You need someone else to blame for the failures of your policies. And again, it switched from one time to the next. Yeah, yeah. I didn't understand that's exactly it's just it's rotating rotating and in places that everyone was a target one time or other and everyone was the victimizer at one time or the other so what you get you'll get a population that hate each other and you'll get a population that hate each other. You get a population that was family

totally broken. And that's how they control. Yeah. And fear and living in fear and living in total fear. So my mind is just exploding with so many parallels as you keep talking about it. I just want to say it's all these little woke little Marxist lefties screaming at people on Twitter or in the streets. don't realize that uh they they one day will be the victims of their own policies yes yes absolutely i'm thinking about like i mean it's so it's so heartbreaking as a mom to hear about children trying to you know turning in their parents or parents turning in their children but during the january 6 riots um you know the even just not people who went into the Capitol,

but people who were there the night before just protesting about the election, they didn't tell, some of the people that were there didn't tell their children because they didn't want their Wokie children, college kids to be upset. But their children saw them on TV. And then after the whole thing blew up the next day, they reported their parents. And the FBI came for their parents. And there were multiple cases of that where, you know, the kids were basically turning in their own parents. And once they turned them in, they were celebrated online.

Yes. As heroes. Absolute as heroes. Yes. That's because in school they were taught their loyalty is to the party, to the party line. And that's absolutely exactly what happened in China. Breaking down these family bonds. I want to play a clip because Joe Biden was in the Rose Garden not long ago.

And he was with, I don't, it's not a clip. I have the quote, actually. The Teachers Union. He was with the Teachers Union. We'll put it up. I'm going to put up the thing. So he basically, he was talking to this Teachers Union woman named Rebecca, and he said, Rebecca put the Teachers' Creed into words. She said, quote, there's no such thing as someone else's child.

Our nation's children are our children. I can't read the last part. That's why our administration supports the teachers who care for them. Yes, of course. Yeah. So they say that our teachers, we are glad. Sometimes I go, we are glad our children are in teachers' hands. And I tweeted, yeah, if you go on, the teachers are in the teachers' unions' hands. And the teachers' unions are in the hands of the Democrats, and Democrats are in the hands of American Marxists. Absolutely. I mean, there's this conversation about, you know, transitioning kids sexually, basically

castration, genital mutilation of a child who can be, you know, 12, 13 years old. And the movement by the left to say, we're going to separate the parent from the child. The school system will not tell the parent that a child is being called by a different name, that they say they're transgender and they want to transition. This is exactly what you said happened in China. There's a loyalty that the child and the state have that's completely cutting out the parents. And what shocks me, Xi, is the fact that America is in a place where we'll allow that to happen, that it's accepted in, frankly, not just liberal communities, but this is happening in conservative communities as well. And it's allowed to stand and there's not massive uproar.

Because people are afraid of being considered insensitive or transphobic. But not with their own children. I think with their own children that more people don't go to their own children. I see what you're saying. I do think that's absolutely indoctrination. And that's what Marxists, culture Marxists specifically, is so deceptive. And they never say we come out here to destroy family and to destroy the foundation of this country. No, they will say for freedom. Right.

We will for tolerance. No, they were saved for freedom, right? We were for tolerance. And the children are free to choose, even though they're just four years old, five years old. And so whoever is in the way is supposed to be, you know, stop them having their own free choices. And it's just so deceptive. And I'm just so sad to say

that people bought into it. And so acceptance, tolerance, kindness, all of this actually is really Marxist, cultural Marxist way to push their agenda. But she, they were actually explicit. For example, when BLM came on, you know, really came on the scene, and we really started to understand, look a little deeper into who they were after the riots of 2020. They had a mission statement, they had a website, and on the mission

statement, it said to tear down the nuclear family. That was part of, to destroy the nuclear family that was part of to destroy the nuclear family so this is very um sort of classic um standard marxist you know ideology you can't achieve the ideological goal the loyalty to the state unless you separate the child from the parent and the parent's value because the family is such a threat to the loyalty to the state, correct? Yes, absolutely. And I will add that I think there's only two things can save America. One is church. One is family. And that's exactly what they are after. And look at church now. Look at how many churches are going woke and how many churches have been infiltrated by Marxists. And so to answer the question where this is from,

I think we have to go back a few decades back. And I think this is so important for people to understand. When I call this everything communist, they say, did CCP import this? Well, yeah, I guess CCP did. But it's so, so, so important for Americans to understand. All this is home-born. And it started in America. It was pushed by American Marxists. And we can trace back very far back, but at least in the 30s, when the Frankfurt come here. The Frankfurt School.

Yep. The Frankfurt School of Thought, right? Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah. In the heart of the American civilization, Columbia University. And from there, they were able to push their agenda to students, they saw the fruition of their work in the 60s and the 70s. And that is the counterculture movement.

And people really, really need to connect the dots. 60s and the 70s, that is when the Chinese Cultural Revolution was taking place. So across the ocean, we have two cultural revolutions taking place at the same time with the same goal. And it's all destroyed the foundation of a traditional culture. And then it kind of died down after the Vietnam War ended. But it did not, because it just go underground. And those

activists become tenured professors. They have been doing their work in classroom rather than on the streets. They have been producing Marxists for decades. And those Marxists are now in possession of power of our

institutions. And now what we're seeing is the second phase of that revolution, and it's woke. But it is the same thing. I think people should really, really understand this. And this is so, so, so important. They took over the colleges, but then once you take over the colleges, you're able to train the new set of teachers that go into K through 12 and not start indoctrination in college. You can actually start it in elementary, middle, and high school. And you touch on a theme that Rachel and I talk about a lot. I served in Congress for nine years, and I always say, I couldn't save America in Congress. If you want to save America, save your family. I always say, I couldn't save America in Congress.

If you want to save America, save your family. And if you can raise... And a family and a school, yes. Yep. Well, and that's why we always advocate. And Rachel makes this point. It's really hard to change a school system. And by the time, if you're successful, by the time you change it, your kids will be out of school. So the answer is, get your kids out of commie camp, communist camp, you know, get them

into a private school that fits your values. And that is the only way that good people say, I'm going to, I'm going to save my kids, I'm going to save my family or homeschool. But and that's your point as well. The only way you do this is through, you know, conservative families having kids and then getting their kids out of this system and making sure they're not indoctrinated. There's a quote from Martin Luther King. I wonder if you could put that up, Sean, where he says, this is Dr. Martin Luther King, who concluded that communism is the only serious rivalry to Christianity. The opposite is also true. Only Christianity can defeat communism or, you know, people of faith. I'm fascinated by the family, because again, the Chinese family was so

strong. The black family used to be so strong. American strong. Yes, American families were so strong at one point. And this has been such an effort to tear us apart. In China, they had the one-child system. Obviously, they had the one-child policy. It was because they thought the population was growing so big. But I was having a conversation with Sean this weekend. Just because we have, I don't know if he knows you, we have nine kids. We have a giant family, a huge family.

It's eight. It's nine. Wow. Yeah know if you know, we have nine kids. We have a giant family, a huge family. It's eight. It's nine. Wow. Yeah. Congratulations. It's eight. Yep. It's nine.

And, you know, when you have nine kids, when you have 11 people in your family, you really feel like a tribe. to tear at those bonds that we have with each other. It seems to me like just logically speaking, it would be harder to break down those bonds if you had nine children than if you had one. Do you think that's part of it too? Yeah. Also, I do think that in order to break the family, and I think the first step might be break the religion or the church.

Yes. And when you look at the counterculture movement back then, it is a free love, right? It is done with marriage. And it all started there. And then it is breakdown of morality. And how you break down morality morality of a people you break down their faith and so i think these two are absolutely connected and it's only these two

can save us and also you know conserve you know the liberals they never sleep yeah they have been doing this for decades and the conservatives cut taxes, improve the economy, they totally missed the boat and now we realize it and then it is really really hard work for us because we have to do the same, we have to

save the family, save the church going back and you know the expression long march through institutions save the church, going back. And, you know, you know the expression, long march through institutions. Yes. They have been doing that for decades. And I said, it is time for us to take the long march back

to restore America. And that takes everybody. That's not a president in the White House or, you know, the Congress or the Supreme Court can save us. It's the family and then school. I think to me now, I just really think the school board election is just as important. And that's how we take back school. But again, school is really, really a tough fight because you can change school, you can change school board.

But the teachers, they have total control of the academia. The teachers are still being trained by the Marxist professors. And that's the only pipeline we have to get our teachers. We'll have more of this conversation after this. teachers. We'll have more of this conversation after this. At New Balance, we believe if you run, you're a runner, however you choose to do it. Because when you're not worried about doing things the right way, you're free to discover your way. And that's what running is all about run your way at newbalance.com slash running the only way you can fix that um with those really woke teachers in the classroom he's thought a lot about this by the way is that you put cameras in the classroom we put cameras on

police officers put and you can you can put guardrails where just the parents can see what's happening in the classroom. But if there's a camera listening to the teachers and what they're feeding these children, then there's accountability. And they'll be far more reserved in trying to indoctrinate these young minds that are in their room. But you also think, Sean, that the governors can do this. No, I do. And you're seeing a movement across the country where state legislatures and governors are saying, you know what, we're going to give parents the choice with the school dollars to pick a school that works for them. So that's one thing. But also, you can radically reform as a governor, the way the teachers colleges are working, you can root out this rot of Marxism in the colleges and bring

good people in. And by the way, what shocks me is that people aren't beside themselves. This is absolutely Marxism. I think a lot of people know that. And they kind of sit back and go like, well, yeah, I guess they've taken over the high school and the middle school and the elementary school. And they kind of throw their hands up as opposed to being outraged that principles that are absolutely contrary to our founding and our founding documents, the ideas that made this country great, the schools are teaching our kids something completely different and people just shrug their shoulders. They should not because this affects them absolutely personally. I have two Chinese friends. They experienced the same thing I did in China. Now they were telling me that their children, two of them said,

children graduated from college, move back home, stay in the basement because they refuse to contribute to the capital system, the exploitation and oppression of capital system. So they come back and oppress their parents by not working. And that's what the school have been producing, producing activists, producing revolutionaries. Yes, and this is why they want, we see it sometimes, they want to separate you from producing activists. Yes. And producing revolutionaries. Yes. And this is why they want,

we see it all the time, they want to separate you from your child and they want to take your child and turn them into little activists and in many cases, little dictators. Little revolutionaries. Little revolutionaries. That's the word, little revolutionaries. Yeah, I mean, there's just,

and also with the teachers' colleges, Sean, I mean, that's the other place little revolutionaries. Yeah, I mean, there's just, and also with the teachers' colleges, Sean, I mean, that's the other place that a governor could go. I'm going to withhold funding to the state university unless you root out the Marxism from the teachers' colleges. I think that's a whole other thing. So if you were the president of the United States, G, and you're going to root out, you're the new president. You're going to fix it.

You're going to fix this problem. I get it. You're saying it's going to happen in the homes, the families. We need to treat our school board elections as importantly as we do our presidential elections. We need to return to our churches and root out the woke leaders that are, you know, or stop giving money to churches that are woke-ified. I get all that. What else can we do as a country? Because I do think people are reaching a point where they feel like the territory, that long march to the institutions that you've talked about, that it's almost

complete, and they feel like giving up. They feel like they can't win. I'm not, I don't want you to give false hope. I want you to give us a very realistic vision of somebody who's been through the cultural revolution in China, knowing how far we are now in this revolution. Can we win? Can we take this back? What do we need to do? I think about this daily. I, It is, you know, as you, I'm sure, and there's a lot of other people. And I almost feel like academia and the public school is rotten to the core. I almost feel like it's time to build parallel education systems. Or get rid of tenure. Tenure is the protection of the people

that they are there for decades and they are afraid to indoctrinate and there is nothing you can do about it. And of course, law and order. Why those revolutionaries are so brave? They just go on straight. They protest. They

went to the capitals and the legislative sessions and it disrupt. And they're not brave. They're protected, right? They know there's no consequence. Not only there's no consequence, they can virtue signal into the whole world that they are revolutionaries. Law and order. Put them all in jail. Two years or whatever. I see how brave they are. If they're still brave, I can call them brave.

If they still go to the demonstration and riot, I call them brave. But that is another way of controlling the situation. You control the beginning, which is to stop the indoctrination. We also control the outcome. The outcome, whoever the activist, if they break the law, arrest them and put them in jail, put them in thought reform or as a re-education camp and teach them the American values. And I think that might be do some good. You know, we talked about this earlier in the podcast, but a lot of people are afraid to speak out.

I think Rachel mentioned this. They don't want to speak out because they may get canceled. They may be fired from their job. They may be, you know, shamed in their neighborhood or their community. And we talk about more people need to speak out because they still are the majority, but they don't. But what we're talking about, what we talk about, though, in the family, if you save your family, it is silent work. You don't have to be online. You don't have to be on Facebook and Twitter. You don't have to be on the radio espousing certain concepts. It's very quiet but powerful work in your home, making sure that you

save your child, your family. And whether it's K through 12 or with us, we made sure that we got our daughter into a good university because they so perfected the indoctrination. And we love her so much. We're like, we're not going to let that happen to her. And that's why we made sure she got into a good university, Dallas, University of Dallas. But that's okay. This is this is this is quiet, important work that no one has to know about, but will have a huge impact on the country. Yeah, I want to talk about two things. Okay. So one is why we are here today? Why we dare to speak in a country that is known for its freedom? It's because we have been quiet for too long. And we were reluctant to push back until now we've come to the situation. But I still tell people, even now, today, like if you speak up, you will run the risk definitely you run the risk

of not getting the next promotion you might run the risk of losing your jobs and if we let go longer and that will happen to us what happened in china you will lose your freedom and you may lose your life so that is the natural progression of what's going on today. So we have to speak up today. We have to speak up, Xi, really quick. We have to speak up while we still can. Exactly.

Now we still can. But the next is, you know, freedom, you may lose your freedom and your life. Also, I want to tell you a little more of another parallel. I think it's so obvious to me, but not to other people. And I'm talking about the riots and talking about the protests, talking about the unruly American, I call it American blue guards.

They're not red guards, they're blue guards. Okay. I love that term. I learned it from one of my Twitter followers and it's so perfect. I'm going to write that down. Why the Red Guards could do what they did in China during the Cultural Revolution? Because Mao openly supported them. And Mao did not defund the police. Mao dismantled the Chinese criminal justice system and where the police were told specifically if the Red Guards hit you, you are not allowed to head back and the police were not allowed to go to

campuses where the initial violence took place. So you can talk about that. Explain what the Red Guard is for people who are listening who might not know. Okay. The revolution. If you have a revolution, you have to have revolutionaries. So where did Mao get his revolutionaries?

He did not have to go to his army. If he did that, it would look like a coup, right? You are overthrowing your own party with the military. No, he did not have to. He had an army of tens of millions of children, and those are indoctrinated children in secondary schools and colleges. And they were his army. They were his private army. And they have loyalty to none but Mao. And they would turn their parents in in order to defend Mao.

And that's the power of indoctrination. And that's what's going on here. And so he gave the full power to the Red Guards. And eventually the violence took place. And do you know the first killing that happened in the Cultural Revolution was in Girls Middle School by a bunch of young girls from 12 to 16. They tortured and killed their deputy principal.

And then Mao did not, the whole Cultural Revolution Committee said, it's okay because this is a revolutionary act and it was justified. After that, killing started and in the end of the Cultural Revolution, 20 million lives were lost. Come back to America.

Why this blue Guard could do whatever they did and no consequence? Someone was behind them too, and we know who. And that's because they're called Blue Guard. Well, and the president's behind them, governors are behind them, prosecutors are behind them. This is something I talk about a lot because I think the left's movement to ban guns is also a play for power and control. Our Constitution gave the citizens right to bear arms to stop a tyrannical government, not to go deer hunting. And it seems like there's more equality of power when the people, not just the government, have firearms. What happened in China? Did they have the ability? Did they have guns? Were they able to fight back? Were they able to push back? And do you see any parallels on guns here in the

U.S. in the last movement to take them away from our hands? I love it. All this, all this happened in China and in any other communist countries. Again, one of the first thing they did is confiscate guns. When you have a disarmed population, they are absolutely that you can control. Absolutely. Yeah, that is, it's a huge, and now you see, when you hear it, when you hear that from Xi, who's been through this, and you hear such a definitive, absolutely, this is what they want to do. I mean,

hold on to your guns. I mean, they, this is, this is, you understand, you really, really understand the play. You know, you mentioned earlier 20 million people dead. There has been an absolute blackout on the death, destruction, famine, and economic dysfunction, frankly, as well, and humanitarian abuses of communism in our American education system. I saw a poll not long ago where they said, you know, rank who, you know, which leaders are the worst, you know, and they ranked Donald Trump and George W. Bush worse than Mao, worse than Stalin. I think only Hitler, because, you know, he's Hitler, right, ranked at the top. But right underneath were these other two.

No, no, no, no. Right. Mao, Mao. Of course Mao. Of course Mao. Of course Stalin. But there is a blackout. And one of the things that you have done, and I encourage people to go to your Twitter feed.

It's highly educational. It's an amazing Twitter feed. She's at GVAN Fleet. You should go to your Twitter feed. It's highly educational. It's an amazing Twitter feed. She's at Xi Van Fleet. You should go to her Twitter feed. But you are laying out the history of the Cultural Revolution, of the fact that I didn't know that Xi's family had been persecuted, Xi Jinping, the current chairman of China, had been persecuted, Xi Jinping, the current chairman of China, had been persecuted and that Xi Jinping himself was sent to a reeducation camp and now has come out, which I hope we have time to talk about that for a little bit. But talk about your goal is if you can expose the history of Chinese communism, you think it would help us see the signs

that are so clear to you of what's happening here? Yeah. We talk about the solutions, family and church. And the other thing I keep talking about is real history. Yes. Real history of America and the real history of communism. And so when you have real history of both, you will see through everything that's happening today.

People do not have knowledge, and that's why they can't understand what's really going on. And so you want me to talk a little bit about Xi Jinping? Why don't you do that? Because I think it's so fascinating. It is. It is. Xi Jinping. Why don't you do that? Because I think it's so fascinating. It is. It is. So Xi Jinping's father was among the founding fathers of CCP's China. And for whatever reason, he was considered to right wing and was purged by Mao, I think it's in 1963, by default, the whole family now considered black class, which is a label for those that are considered enemy of the state. So when father was purged,

the whole family was now become the undesirable. And so during the Cultural Revolution, they were the target of the Red Guards. And that's what the Red Guards go after, right? Go after the people that are considered enemy of the state. And his family suffered a lot. His half-sister just could not take the pressure and the persecution and killed herself. And then he, at the age of 15, was sent to countryside to work in the fields.

And once he made it way back to Beijing to want to see his family. And it was during the Chinese National Day, and they want to clear out all the population who were not residents of Beijing. So he ended up in a juvenile detention center. And so basically a new jail. And he did not just stay there. They have to work. They have to work. They have to work. He said most of the sewage in Beijing was laid out by the free laborers

that in his detention center. Yes, and he suffered a great deal, but this is what communism is about. After the Cultural Revolution, power was restored. Everything back to normal. They persecuted those Red Guards that did all the things to them. So it's just a revenge that never stopped.

But now that they were in power, and instead of condemning what happened during the Cultural Revolution, Wang himself was a victim. He saw the pathway to power. And that's the thing about communism. The victim become victimizers. And that is just so, so, so telling of the indoctrination of communism can do to a person. And he actually now said the power should stay within the people that have the red DNA, meaning the DNA of the old red guard, old revolutionary guard of which he is a member.

What troubles me, too, Xi, is even now in the States, we have a lot of business leaders who will degrade the U.S. economic system and look favorably on China and what China has built in their communist country. And they freely put that out. And you just think back to the days of the Cold War and the old Soviet Union. That thought process would have never been tolerated to command the Soviet Union and their communism. But today it is because I think so many people see China not as an enemy, not as an aggressor, but as a place where we get cheap stuff and make a lot of money and can do things relatively efficiently, as opposed to the US. And they have a much easier political system. You don't have the complication of democracy and the switching of presidents and

governors and congresses, they can have a long-term plan. And isn't that the best way to do it? And even the business leaders who probably went through these Marxist training camps of college put that out into the American sphere as well. Bill Gates says he envies the kind of authority and power of Xi Jinping. So interesting to hear that history. Again, I love that you say the answer is family, faith. As Martin Luther King said, he thought Christianity was the best way to defeat communism.

And also understanding the history of America and the history of communism, both of which have been massively suppressed and distorted and misrepresented in our school system. You're so right. Once we see that, we see the whole plan before us. You are a remarkable woman. You came to prominence through working through the school board situation that was happening in Virginia. That's how I came to know who you were. I think you are a real patriot. And I'm going to call you on our podcast a national treasure.

An American treasure. Oh, thank you. You really are. No, you truly are. I don't say that lightly. I think that you are raising some amazing warning signals, and you're giving us hope, I think, today, Sean. Yeah. I really want to say this is my payback time, that I came here, I enjoyed the freedom, and I enjoyed the prosperity, and I don't want to see it go. And I want Americans to know that what it is like to live under communism.

And I want them to know you don't want to go there. And that's what I'm trying to do. Well, Zhivan Fleet, do not stop talking. Do not stop tweeting. Continue speaking the truth and continue with your education. And again, looking through your Twitter feed, which is where I got a lot of

the research for our conversation today. There's so much there that you just have never heard of, that you know from your personal experiences. And I appreciate that good work that you're doing and appreciate you joining us on our podcast, The Kitchen Table. We're going to take your advice and speak while we can. Speak out while we can. Thank you so much. I'm just so glad that we are all fighting for the same goal. Thank you. Right on. Thank you, Xi.

Appreciate it. Thank you. That was an amazing conversation with Xi. What a powerful voice. And again, the remedy for the illness of communism is not that complicated. It's hard, but it's pretty simple. You go back to the basics. for the illness of communism is not that complicated. It's hard, but it's pretty simple. You go back to the basics.

It's your family and your faith. And if you do that within your family structure and others are doing the same thing, we can save it. We're not doomed to communism. We can be just as brave, maybe less brave than our founders who were risking their lives to give us the great concepts in this new country, this new experience called America. It's less than that. Raise your family.

You know, one of the things she says is that you can't fight it, though, unless you know where it comes from. And that's why I think what she's doing is so powerful to go, this is not some little trend that just happened because of trans, or this isn't just some oversensitive people on race. No, no, no, no, no. There was a decision made somewhere way back then that you were going to use, instead of class, you were going to use race instead because that was a better way to spread this ideology. And that decision was made. And then this understanding of how they've taken over the institutions. And the truth is, Sean, if we're really honest, I don't mean to be a pessimist because having just had she on, I do feel a lot more hopeful. Right. I mean, she hasn't given up and she's seen much worse than we've ever seen. However, we're not that far away from a completion of this long march through the institutions that she talks about. And she's right. We should, we do have to take back some

of these institutions and we do have to keep fighting for our schools, taking our kids out, but also fighting on those school boards. I think it's a powerful message. And I think having children sounds like a big part of this answer because liberals aren't. And if the next generation is mostly our children, right, our conservative children, and we're raising them upright, that is where the hope is. We could win. We could win through fertility. What I thought interesting, too, was she commented about the Red Guard and how they could do certain things and there was no consequence for them. They knew they were punish free. And whether you look at the BLM riots, right, you could burn buildings, you could loot, you could riot, You could burn buildings.

You could loot. You could riot. And nothing happened to you. That's right. Antifa is the same thing. Even what happened in the subway in New York where the Marine choked a crazy guy on the train, all of a sudden, again, because he's not part, the Marine's not part of a protected class. Yes. The book will be thrown at him even though he's trying to protect people on the train. And the protected class comes out and celebrates someone who was actually deranged.

I think he was 24 or 42 convictions he had or criminal complaints against him. Hitting women in the face. Old ladies in the face. I mean, think back to this. Think to the Republican convention. It was during COVID. So Donald Trump had it at the White House. And as members of Congress were leaving the White House, senators were leaving the White House, there was a mob of people, violence and threats. And nothing happened. Nothing happened to those people.

Didn't they burn down a church? I think it was St. John's Church there as well, Sean? I'm not sure if that was— Was that the same incident? But anyway, we're burning stuff down, historical places. But she makes a good point. Protective class, nothing happens. If you're not part of the protective class, even if you do little, the book will be thrown at you.

You're not going to be treated fairly under the system. And again, that's why they're going after pro-lifers. But if you fire bomb a pro-life center, you're not prosecuted. They can't seem to find you because it happened in the dark. The list goes on of the inequities, and I can't fix that. You can't fix that. Hopefully, if we have... You could have elected a better DA, right? Well, if we have a Republican president, my hope is that they will root out this corruption and rot in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, NSA, Department of Education. They all got to get out. You got to get rid of the unions, the civil service laws, and be able to fire people.

got to get out. You got to get rid of the unions, the civil service laws, and be able to fire people. But I can't do that. I can vote, but I can't affect the trajectory of this country by affecting my family. And you and I have actually made those choices. And again, because we've had so many kids, we've been able to get it wrong for many steps the way- Do over. Then we get it right for the middle part of the kids. And by the way, our older kids, though we didn't send them to conservative schools or traditional schools, they turned out very well. But the next tranche of kids, we're doing it right. Yeah. Making the effort.

Yeah. They're going to be better off for those kind of do-overs. So I hope that this conversation with Xi leaves people feeling hopeful. A lot of times it's been hard I think in the last you know since Joe Biden was elected um it's been really hard to um to feel hopeful especially because the you know when she talks about Marxism the people behind Joe Biden and that's why Joe Biden got elected right he seemed like a pretty nice fellow the people behind the curtain are are those people that came out of that, you know, that revolutionary time she talked about in the

60s. Those are the people running your government right now. And so it has felt very, you know, we've all felt really down because things are devolving very quickly. To the point, Title 42 ends, the border is wide open. And these radicals that you mentioned that came out of the they don't want to tell the truth. They don't want to tell the story because that could hurt Joe Biden. That could hurt this cultural revolution in America. So they silence it. They suppress it. And they talk about Donald Trump virtually every single day, but they don't talk about all the things that are changing in this country at the hands of liberals, Marxists, under Joe Biden. at the hands of liberals, Marxists, under Joe Biden.

That's right. So, well, good for G. Van Fleet. And I will say it, speak while you can. The time to speak out is now. There's still hope left to turn this thing around. And go and have some babies. Good advice. Listen, thank you all for joining us on our podcast. If you like our podcast, you can rate, review, subscribe.

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