From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Jack Brewer's Fatherhood Playbook

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

Across the nation, there has been a spree of violence at youth football games involving gun violence. Former NFL Safety and Founder of the Jack Brewer Foundation, Jack Brewer joins to discuss the culture surrounding these brutal events, and why high rates of fatherlessness are a leading factor in crime across America.   Jack talks about his foundation's goals, how they work to promote fatherhood in underserved communities, and why he believes strongly in rehabilitating prisoners throughout the country.   Later, Jack discusses what the Republican party must do during this election cycle to win the trust of the black community and explains how, if given the opportunity, he would work with the government to change the culture of America's communities.  Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Sean, it's so great to be back at our kitchen table. And today, what's a crazy day? First day of school when you're trying to get how many kids off? Five. Well, six, including Valentina. Yesterday was Valentina's first day of school. But today, the other five had their first day. So, yeah, crazy days. Yeah.

You know, it's funny. I was thinking today about how lucky we are. You know, we always talk about how when you have nine kids, you get do-overs. Yes. So you kind of use the first kids as they end up being guinea pigs experimental experimental parenting and you know you're you're just more you're just doing it for the first time and you're kind of enjoying it but not in the same way i think is like the second round of kids and so i think there's some frazzle there's maybe a little more emotion even around. No, I just think I was so I felt I felt more occupied by the busyness of it. And today, way busy.

I mean, like I said, getting, you know, six kids ready for school. But I don't know, a little older, a little more wiser. And so it's sort of like you're going to miss this. Right. Remember that country song? You're going to miss this. You're going to miss this. Yep.

Trace Atkins. Trace Atkins. Trace Atkins. I love that song. It's true. I was able to have these moments where I was able to pull myself outside of my body and look down on the chaos in the kitchen. Having my mom and dad there helping out and seeing this family get itself ready for school and pull myself out and go, wow, this is an amazing time that's fleeting. And so I guess my advice to anyone who's listening who's younger is, you know, try not to get too involved and stressed in the busyness of it all. Try and pull yourself out a little bit

and look at it from above and really take it in and appreciate it and know that you're going to miss this. And it is fleeting. Or recognize you are going to be stressed. You are going to be frazzled. But take those moments to go, this is awesome. And it never comes back. First grade never comes back. Eighth grade, freshman year, those things never come back. There's a one first time of all those grades., there's a one first time of all those grades. Hopefully there's only one first time they're not repeating classes, but you're right. And you should take that moment and suck it in and enjoy it and try to set yourself up for a day. That's going to be a little less frazzled, a little more enjoyable, and you can, and you can suck it in and remember it and enjoy it because it doesn't come back.

Right. And if you, if you plan a little bit, it kind of makes those mornings a little easier and you have time to pray before you go to school. We're Catholic. So I, I throw holy water on my kids before they leave the door and I bless their forehead with the sign of the cross. But those little things are,

you know, they take two seconds and the kids will remember, but they can take more if you're, if you're, you're more organized than Rachel, you can do more. But i think those are important things it's interesting to see my parents grandparents kind of looking in i'm sure they were having their own set of memories so don't feel sad you'll get to you'll get to enjoy it in a different way later on um

hopefully if you have grandkids which i hope to have many of. So anyway... You're waiting. Yeah, I'm waiting. I have a married daughter. Every time she calls, I think I'm going to get the call that I'm going to be a grandma. So anyway, just an interesting morning.

I think about our friend who's going to join us today, Jack Brewer. Everyone knows him as, you know, former NFL player for the Vikings, for the New York Giants, for the Philadelphia Eagles, for my own Arizona Cardinals.

He never made it to the homeland. He never made it to the homeland of the Packers, but he was close in Minnesota. He was. There's a little rivalry there, so I'm not sure I like that, but I'm going to take it. Jack, your kids started two weeks ago. Welcome, by the way.

Hey, Jack, welcome to the kitchen table. Yes, great to be here. Your kids started two weeks ago? Yeah, they started two weeks ago, and I tell you what, it was a little bit of chaos. You know, I have some experience at this, but, you know, first day of school, I have a, my, he's 11 now, but my 11-year-old, he's just, man, he has to have everything perfect. And if it's not, then he lets us know about it. So he got off the school, okay. So he was pretty much the headache. And my five-year-old, she just goes with the flow. That's what happens to the second one. Well, and they're all different, right? Some are wildly organized, some are disorganized,

and they come from the same cells cells and same families and they just they're just different little human beings which is so fascinating to see i had to remind myself too jack how nervous i was on the first like you forget right like the first day of school is a big deal do you still remember that yeah i still remember him and my son really made me reflect on it because he's like dad you don't understand this year i get my locker so it was like that's a big deal wow that is that was a big deal right the first time you like go from having to have your backpack on all day to being able to put your stuff in a locker i mean that for a kid i mean there's nothing going to the desk jack you go from the desk where you kind

of lift it up and put your stuff in there uh or a side and you know you know underneath the piece of wood or fake wood to actually having your own locker this is like big time like you've arrived you're it's kind of like mini adulthood when you get your locker you walk a little taller a little you know a little more confidence also boys could slip notes into your locker or boys can slip notes into girls' locker. There's a lot that goes on. So how old is your son? He's 11? 11, yeah. So that would be 5th grade? 6th grade.

5th grade, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. So high school's school life is changing though. I mean, these are these beautiful memories that sort of sound a lot like when we were kids. But you and I and Sean are friends and we text every now and then. You sent me a text the other day, Jack, saying I'm really worried about what's going on in American high schools and especially related to football, because football obviously is your passion is so important to you and we

have seen over the last you know few weeks some high school games that have been you know ruined um tarnished by school shootings two in two of them um one of them was in port allen high school in louisiana a 12 year old shot another 12 year old shot in in Baltimore. But Jack, you go to a lot of football games. What's changing from when you were a kid or even, you know, maybe just a few years ago to what's happening right now in sports programs? You know, it's it's really it's hard to talk about and even comprehend unless you go. You know, I hadn't been to um a youth football game i've been to some you know kind of older kids you know middle school high school but

i went to a youth football game a couple weeks ago and you walk in there and the music that you hear is literally music that you know you you'd expect from college kids. I mean, every word is a cuss word. And I was actually watching, I mean, these are seven and eight-year-olds I was watching. And the music was just blasting. And I walked down to go grab a water from the concession stand. And these two men were cussing each other out, having fists about to fight,

pushing each other about to fight. And so I just felt really uncomfortable. It was a situation where, you know, I personally would not have had my kids with me. My son had a soccer game, so he couldn't make it. But it was a very, very kind of dark feeling there and you're watching these kids play but it's all about the parents um i mean you could tell on the sidelines and that these parents were living through their kids and they're cussing at their

kids and every other every other word uh is a word that it wouldn't even be allowed in my house and so you know if if the parents have gone there and which is which means that they're going to allow coaches you know who who are supposed to be you know the individuals that you look up to i mean when when i was growing up playing seven eight eight, nine year old football, you know, my coaches, my dad and there were other, you know, my assistant coaches were, you know, men in the community who I saw as my protectors and my role model who I wanted to be like. And so I think we have a big issue going on now because, you know, if if if that's not the safe place anymore, you know, where are the kids going to actually get poured into? necessarily yet. But what shocks me is when, I mean, I'd be shocked if, you know, again, adults aren't in the room for, you know, some of these high school sports teams playing that kind of music, but that you have, you know, elementary and middle schoolers listening to this kind of music, which again, music is one thing. And I think we're seeing, we're seeing a push off of

the music into something else as well. But usually we have adults in the room to say, listen, that's, listen, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You guys, you guys in middle school might want to play this, but we're not going to. Adults would say no to bad behavior or bad music. If you're in elementary school, you're dealing with young kids. The kids aren't probably playing that music. It's actually more than likely coming from the parents or the adults or the coaches playing this vile music with vile language and sharing that with the kids. Are the kids driving this or the parents driving this, Jack? Yeah, yeah. The parents are definitely driving it. And that's what I meant when I said they're living through their kids. It's one thing to live through your kids and want them to learn, enjoy things as children, experience it as children. It's one thing to live through your kids and to treat them and expose them to everything in the world.

And that's what's going on is there. There is no barrier now, right? There is nothing that's considered inappropriate. The moral standard has been completely blown up. You can go to communities now, and there literally is no morality. I haven't even gotten to how the moms are addressed on the sideline. Well, let's talk about that. I mean, everything's hanging out i mean it is completely uh i mean it it's it's disgusting if you mean to put words to it to to see this and no no class at all right there's no yes ma'am there's no yes sir um when i played football

and my coach said something to me it was yes, yes, sir. And now there is no discipline. Every single time a kid makes a play, they're dancing on the sideline. It's like a circus. And so I think when you start to break down, you know, particularly when you talk about football, right? Football is a masculine sport. It's a sport where it should be high discipline. Usually your football players are your kids that aren't going to be getting in a lot of shootings at a high school football game on one day in America. I mean, think about that. I mean, we are at a serious crisis, but what's even more concerning is no one talks about it, right?

You don't hear the National Football League or the NCAA putting out statements. You don't hear any of the major coaching organizations or sports bodies talking about the cultural decline and the moral decline of the sport at the youth level. And that is where it has to come from. You have to demand that the game not be disrespected. And across America, no matter what sport we're talking about now, we are literally disrespecting the game and the games that have really been, you know, critical to our society and critical to our culture. Now we're disrespecting them. And it goes, if there is no boundaries, you're going to continue to let men compete against women if there is no boundaries you're going to continue to let full teams um kneel at the flag instead of

standing and respecting the flag there there's there's nothing that you can't do now in sports and i think that needs to change well you know you talk about we kind of think of uh friday night lights right we think and i i grew up i haven't been to a football game in a while, but high school football game. Yeah. But, but it's one of those times where kind of the community comes together, whether you have a kid playing or a kid in high school, just the community comes out, would come out to watch the young people in their community play the game and they enjoyed the game and

they enjoyed seeing these young kids perform to the best of their abilities. And it was, it's Americana. Someone might argue on this podcast that it's actually baseball, but really football is, is that sport. And what I think we're seeing is we've seen that you alluded to this, this degradation of society. And we have men playing against women. We have schools now saying that they're in charge of your kids, that parents don't have rights. And we see violence on the streets, no discipline, people not being punished for crimes that they commit. All of these things are happening. And maybe what we're recognizing here is football has been one of the last holdouts or sports have been one of the last holdouts because, and you know this better than anybody having played pro football, is it's a game of discipline. And a lot of these parents probably imagine, I want my kids to be successful in this sport. And I think probably every parent,

they drive every night and every weekend to their games and they buy them equipment and spend a lot of money because they think maybe their child has a shot at making it to where you made it jack and again it came from discipline and respect and so this was the last kind of holdout it seems like that sports were the last thing now to fall but now even sports has gone there it's it's it's caved to the culture that we've seen but it developed over the last 10 years also a place where if there was chaos in your home, and Jack, you know this because you have the Jack Brewer Foundation, which, by the way, I've gone and seen what Jack is doing with young, marginalized kids all the way to the prisons.

And Jack is somebody who doesn't just talk the talk. He walks the walk. He's coaching these kids. who doesn't just talk the talk. He walks the walk. He's coaching these kids. He's an NFL player who can actually, you know, you're, you're coaching. I mean, I remember when I went to see you coaching these little kids, I'm like, I can't imagine if my kids were being coached by Jack Brewer. It was amazing.

You could be Deion Sanders, but you're not doing the Deion Sanders high school game or college games. You're like, no, I'm taking the little kids. give the little kids who need the little kids who need help the little kids whose homes are chaos and a lot of times those kids could go to the football field or the baseball field or the soccer field and get the discipline and the respect and the sort of skills that they weren't getting at home. And that's really sad for me to hear, Jack, that they're not getting that in sports anymore because then what the heck is sports for at that age? It is. That's spot on.

And it really is sad, but it's a reflection of the battle that we're facing. It's a direct reflection because now we're seeing that the enemy is taking all of these platforms. And Sean alluded to this and he put it very good when he said, you know, that used to be the stage. Right. That's where you put your crown on your homecoming king and queen. Right. That's where, where you know the dance team got a chance to go out and show everybody like that football games and those games was the big stage for the entire community to show the mayor was out there and if you wanted to honor somebody you want to honor the military that's where you do it holidays that's where you celebrate them

i mean so to members of congress actually walk through the crowd and shake hands i can attest that's where you do it. Holidays, that's where you celebrate them. I mean, so. Members of Congress actually walk through the crowd and shake hands. I can attest to that, Jack. That's probably the last time you went to Friday Night Lights. It was. I was shaking hands and the great places to be. Everyone in a good mood, especially at the start of the game. Yeah, but think about it being ruined by, by you know music that's embarrassing for us to even listen to because it's so it's it's it's so bad it's not even that but it was we're talking about the music but now we're seeing what jack is talking about with the music in these elementary games yeah we're seeing this now something we've never heard of which is the shootings that are

now happening at the same games there There's a connection between, are you making that connection, Jack? Music, the culture, to now violence. Yeah, I think you said, Jack, that when you said to me, it felt more like a rap concert than a wholesome football game. No doubt. It was like I was at a rap concert. So when you, you know,

and I go back to Sean's point of kind of that stage that's that's there right in the community. Now, all of a sudden you take that stage and in certain communities that's become like a rap concert. So I hadn't even gone to smelling the weed smoke in the air at a youth game because I haven't gotten to that part yet and I and I also I also hadn't gotten to the point where you know you really start to to look at the teams on the field the way that they're the the way that they're dressed right I mean the kids are out there and it is a show and it's all about me it's not about team and and so you know when you start changing that part of the culture of the game of football because all of that's where it's supposed to teach you uh and then you're filling up these kids with you know

weed smoke in the air becomes normal right uh and then you know I'll put the cherry on top of this whole thing. I bet you there was twenty thousand dollars gambled on the games. Oh, my God. So that's why you're getting the shootings. You're getting the shooting. Now, this is the area where you're bringing in the hustlers and the drug dealers and they're the dads and they're gambling and betting on their kids. And they're the dads and they're gambling and betting on their kids. Right. They're the I mean, this is crazy. Think about. But I'm telling you what's happening and the reason you see in these shootings and think about it. If you saw three shootings in one weekend, think about the number of altercations you have. Think about the number of incidents that you have that don't get to the point of shooting at each other.

Think about the culture that's being created it's thick you know there's a lot of spaces in our lives that that women take over we got a lot of girl bosses i have a lot of girl bosses in my life jack he's not talking about me by the way well i'm talking about work i'm talking about rachel i'm talking about i've got six girls in my hall six daughters yeah so what this is a space for men um men own football and you women are offended by that i'm sorry but this is a this is a place it's a masculine sport it's a male sport and their boys and their coaches get together and and they play the game and they learn respect and as we talked about discipline where in the hell are the dads maybe these are maybe i said these are the dads but where's where's is there one good dad out there to go what the hell are we doing do we want these boys to have a shot at playing high school ball playing

college ball and if we do what we're doing is going to make sure that these kids never have a chance never have a shot no matter how much talent they have if they play for themselves not for a team if they um are all about dancing in the end zone if they're um smoking weed yeah or this is the environment that listen to this music this is the environment that, listen to this music, this is the environment we create. We're actually doing a disservice to our boys who, again, the game is great and the game has been great to you. But 99.8% of kids don't make it to where you, they don't play college ball. but the skills that we get in our life from sports, the skills that we learn how to deal with all kinds of issues that are going to come up in our work, in our personal life and our marriages and raising our own kids.

You learn from, I played hockey, but you learn from playing a sport. That's right. These kids aren't learning the damn lesson at all from this sport. And I go, is there one dad out there going, this is bullshit.

Sorry. We got it. We got to change course. There is. And Sean, this sport and i go is there one dad out there going this is bull sorry we gotta we gotta change course there is and sean actually i have a really close friend of mine um who helps us at the foundation his son's one of the top quarterbacks in the state of florida he's 11 years old and he is forced to have and go and play these teams and go to these places. And, you know, he doesn't put up with it. So, you know, he'll say things and, you know, he said now that. How was that received when one dad stands up? He said at first, you know, it was a little tense, but like, you know,

now when he comes, they put out the blunt or the or the joint that they're smoking. They put it out. You know, he'll say, hey, man, you know, we really got to do that. And he said the music he hadn't been able to. He that one's a bigger challenge than he's able to take on. But, you know, he's stuck in a situation where his son is, you know, super talented, God-given gift, right? And the only way you can play, particularly down there in Florida where I'm at, the only way you can play is if you play some of these teams in this environment. Keep in mind, and Rachel, you've seen my community, where I live. It's not like this is, you know, we're not in the middle of the hood by any means.

But even the programs that are in right directly, like connected to us. Have to go into these places and play and have to be in this environment. So it's like you got to almost armor your child up, you know, the good dads and the folks, and I don't want to say good, but the ones that are righteous and have some morals to them to keep your kid from getting exposed to things that they're not prepared for. And I think that's the biggest, that's what's so sad about it. You know, some of these kids are exposed to these types of things when they're six, seven, eight years old. I was exposed to a lot early, but my 11-year-old son's a lot different than me. If you expose him to the things that I was exposed to at

11, you know, he wouldn't, there's no telling what would happen to him. I think that's what you're seeing in our society is mentally, you know, you have such a wide range of exposure for children. And so, you know, a child can be corrupted so easily, right, if they don't know how to respond, react, or take on things. And so, you know, obviously you guys know me. I go to scripture and I try to keep my kid kind of armed with the word of God and relying on that. And you just don't see that with this culture. I mean, I, you know, you didn't, I didn't see a semblance. It looked like pagans out there. It looked like I was watching, you know, a game in the middle of Sodom and Gomorrah to be quite honest. Yeah, no, I, I, I, I can only imagine, you know, it's interesting whether your kids are in sports or not. The intentional it's intentional that there are forces out there trying to sexualize children, to separate them from from the values of their parents or if their parents don't have the values, the Christian values.

It's absolutely intentional. Jack, we had a we had a guy on our show, a podcast. We had a whole podcast on this, which is the Marxist roots. I mean, you can go back over 100 years. They experimented with this in Hungary. Marxists did. They actually had a they had a Marxist who wanted to take over the society. And the theory was we're going to sexualize children because that's the quickest way to separate them from their values, to sort of destabilize them and turn them into Marxist activists. Now, eventually the Hungarians, which is back in the early 1900s, they kicked this guy out of the country. He went toany and started doing stuff there and that

actually traveled back that was the frankfurt school and they actually traveled back to the united states where the marxists have been doing their work ever since so when people think oh this is just a consequence of modern times it's so much deeper than that there is an absolute it's intentional it's part of developing if this is an ideology. This is a different religion. It's a this is an extreme atheism. It's demonic at its heart. And that's why I think when let's talk about the solutions, you say you arm your children with scriptures. What can we do? Let's start with football, because I think that is a big part of American culture. Let's start with football because I think that is a big part of American culture.

If you're a parent and you're starting to see this kind of culture at your local football team and at these games, what should you do? And how do you get that courage to do it? Do you try and get more parents to join you? What is the strategy? Well, I would say it starts from the top. And if I was a parent, you know, I would start with, you know, literally going and meeting with your local coaches association reps, right? going, we need to contact whether it's SafeSport or the different agencies in the cities and the leagues that give coaches the authority to coach. We've gotten so, and I think council culture also has a lot to do with this because it's almost like you can't require anything now from a coach. Like if there should not be, there should be a rule that doesn't allow you to use swear words and cuss at

seven-year-olds like that. That's kind of common sense, Jack. And it's not there. Right. And so, you know, the basics, when you get away from the basics, it's just like football. It's about blocking and tackling. It's about fundamentals. Well, it's the same thing with coaching and parenting. We have to get back to the basics.

And parents have to demand. Amen, Jack. Amen. They got to demand that these coaches do common sense things like language, like setting rules, certain things that they just can't allow, or you can't coach. And so I think it starts there. And I think if we get back to there, then, you know, it may not be good. It may not be a place where that solves all of our issues, but I think we can get back to some normalcy. But at this point in time, we don't have any basics.

And there's just, there's no rules. And I think that needs to change quickly. So if I was parents, that's where I would put my efforts. I know personally, that's where I'm putting my efforts, is trying to get back to the basics. And, you know, you saw my program. That's what we're trying to do. How you eat at the table, how you talk, how you look, who you hang around with. Just stuff, you know, we don't need to go in and nuke everything.

But I think we do need to have a major shift, particularly in sports and education. We'll have more of this conversation after this. Listen to the all new Brett Baer podcast featuring Common Ground, in-depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Baer favorites like his all-star panel and much more. Available now at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Some basic standards. And I think that's right. If you have certain standards that are coming from the coaching staff on a team, it's like, listen, you want to play, family? These are the rules that we're going to follow on this team. If you don't want to play, that's fine. But if you sign on the dotted line, you and your son, this is what we're going to expect from your child. This is what we're not going to allow on the field from your child. Basic rules of the road that they agree to before they come on the field.

But you have to have those standards that you're right, are probably agreed upon on a broad basis from coaches. I think there's another point too, Jack, and this kind of probably comes into where you're at. You mentioned that you're not seeing anyone from higher levels, whether it's college or pro, kind of engaging in what's happening in the sport. And I have to- I know, I love that too. If you have someone, there's a number of people who are highly respected that if they said, again, it's not about the parents. We don't have to demonize what's happening.

But going back to the basics too of, if you want to to make it if you want any player on your team to have a shot these are the principles by which you have to you know instruct coach to play by and live by um and almost like i'm not i'm not saying it as a dad but look at you know name you know name your name your player look at you know look at Look at what these guys are saying. And we want to give our kids a shot. And maybe that's your role to go, I got to get some of these guys. Are you saying, Sean, that this should come from the NFL? Like the NFL should go.

Aaron Rodgers should come out and go like, you know what? What I'm seeing, or someone like Rodgers, I'm seeing what's happening. This is unacceptable. You're never going to make it. Could you have made it jack jack could you have made it under gotten as far as you've gotten under these conditions you know what i would have just because of my dad because he's just because of his dad my dad yeah my dad wasn't gonna put up with that warrior oh yeah my dad's a warrior i mean he would have he would have immediately and he was a man still is a man that commands respect wherever he goes.

And so I didn't see a lot of that out there in the in the in and not that others didn't have the grace like my dad had. It's just they use their grace. You know, they were the ones who were, you know, instigating the riffraff. And so. Right. Right. But this kind of goes back to what you've always been talking about, Jack, you've said forever. I've heard you. I don't know how many times, at least on Fox news, if we solve the fatherhood problem in America, if there were more dads like yours,

we wouldn't be talking about any of the stuff we'd have to talk about in terms of the degradation of the culture. Any of it. And Rachel, I'll tell you this. I serve on the Commission for the Social Status of Black Men and Boys, which they're probably going to kick me off of coming next February because I'm a Trump appointee and they don't like what I say. I have been pushing fatherlessness so that we can put in policies across this nation. I have been pushing fatherlessness so that we can put in policies across this nation. These people go in and do some research paper and they come back and they and their rebuttal to me was that, oh, we did a study and black fathers are the most engaged fathers in America. They they coach and they are mentors. And I'm sitting there, I'm listening to these people.

And I'm like, did they forget that I have a great dad who had a great dad? I'm a great dad. I'm involved in my kid's life. No one is saying that every black dad is not a good dad. But we're saying that there is a huge percentage of our population that doesn't have a good dad in their homes. And so now it's become offensive to Black people if you say that we have a fatherlessness issue. Well, I welcome any Black person or any American to go to one of these youth football games that I just went to and you tell me what you think. Having a father that's a knucklehead or having a father that just keeps

devil music in his ear all day and smokes dope all day around his kids is not a good dad. And so I don't care if that offends someone or hurts their feelings, but it just it really it makes my flesh crawl in my skin boil. When I hear people try to take an issue this big and make it into something that's offensive or make it into something that has to do with race or racism. And we will never solve these issues if black men don't start first. I agree with that. But let's talk about leadership, though. What could the NFL do? Because you see the NFL get involved in a lot of stuff. They're involved in BLM and they're involved in every social justice issue out there. This is the pipeline of kids. Exactly.

So if you were advising the NFL right now, you're advising the NFL, you're going, I'm seeing a problem. I'm sounding the alarm. I'm seeing the red flags. This new generation is not getting the discipline, the respect, the environment that they need to become great young men and to become great athletes. What would what would you tell the NFL to do to help this problem? Well, that question just you just gave me a great idea. God just use you. The NFL needs to come out with a fatherhood playbook. And that fatherhood playbook, and if they don't do it, I'm going to do it myself. And that fatherhood playbook needs to be something that they can encourage all of their players who

are great fathers, because the NFL is full of great fathers, great fathers to endorse and promote and push across this nation and they need to demand that these youth programs are filled with great fathers because a great coach is a great father and i think people like tony dungy right people um who uh have the respect um that that is that from the game of football, you know, even myself. I mean, most of us got our initial respect from the game of football. And I think that they should have those individuals

endorsing this. And I think they should be in front of these coaches associations and they should be at these cities and municipalities demanding that they don't get their sport degraded and they don't get their sport painted because you're having people getting shot on the sideline because you might have someone like me i mean i might go i want my kid to play football but i don't want them in an environment where there's you know rap music that

has really you know a bad language and i don't want my coach cussing at my kid and i don't want weed wafting through the air at my kids games and i don't want all these you know moms dressed like sluts they i mean like what do we get i mean like they're not gonna play football they're not that's i'm gonna protect my child so there's some simple things that they can say there's's no weed. Like if somebody is smoking weed, get them to have that. That's not appropriate for kids. And the music needs to be appropriate for sports. It can't be something that degrades women or has cuss words in it.

You know, if there's any chance that there's gambling out there and parents are getting involved. I mean, so there's some rules that could be or standards set all the way at the top of the NFL for every single little league. I think that's right. But I love what Jack said, though. If I mean, if out of all the the NFL gets involved in, to your point, Rachel, the most important thing they could they could actually promote is fatherhood. Yeah, there's no question. And the playbook for fatherhood, Jack, that is a great idea because we might like it, we might hate it, but these players are giants in our communities, in our states, on the national stage. And if they're promoting these values, that can have real impact on going, you know what? Could I be a better dad? Could I be a more involved father? You might start touching hearts in a way that you never thought you could. And this is all, I think, many, many, a vast majority of the problems we face comes back to fatherlessness.

You're right. And the NFL could play a big role in that. No, definitely. I agree. And I think this is an opportunity. I think we're going to all remember this show because when when when you asked me that question, something came up on my spirit. And so and I think both of you know me by now when something comes up, watch out. I'm not going to sit back. I still have that that old, you know, kickoff coverage guy mentality. I love that the fatherhood playbook. This is the Jack. That's exactly right.

And when they don't get that playbook, they end up many kids end up in jail, in prison. And that's the other part of the Jack Brewer Foundation that you work towards. I got a chance, Sean, you know how much it impacted my life when I went down to see the prison where, I mean, and by the way, I want, well, Jack has some news, some, some news that he's going to break for you and our listeners about that. But this was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen going to a prison. Some of these people were there for life. Some of them were about to get out, but there was a separate program and Jack, you could probably describe it better. Um, but a program where they could learn real life skills or for those that were in jail, you know, in prison forever, like they had multiple life sentences

and we met people like that. They found purpose in their life. There was music, there was prayer, they learned art, they learned woodwork. They had something to look forward to, but boy, if we could stop them from even getting there, which is, which is the goal of your youth programs that you do. But then when they do end up there, you give them hope that, that there's something beyond this. So let's talk about

what's going on with that, because I know some huge news has happened for particularly the prison ministry. Yeah. Thanks, Rachel. Yeah. So you're exactly right. It's about rehabilitation, you know, no matter what you look at, you know, and it's just it's driven from from faith and from my belief in the Bible. Right. And, you know, do not be conformed by this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind for all that is good and acceptable and the perfect will of God. And how do you how do you really help someone renew their mind? Isn't that what prison's for? Right? Isn't that what juvenile is for? Isn't that what school is for, right? It's to help, it should be to help renew a child's mind. And right now, unfortunately, in all of those institutions that I just mentioned, it's just not happening.

We're actually putting people in situations where their minds are being made worse in a lot of ways, or, you know, reading the math proficiency levels are in the tank and not growing. And so the schools aren't doing their jobs. Or if you talk about criminal justice, you're putting people in prison and they're getting out and they're going right back to prison, right? Look at major cities, you know, New York and Detroit and all over the country. We're letting people out of jail after going to jail. They go right back. And so we are not doing our job to renew the mind of the most vulnerable individuals. And so that is a problem that the Jack Brewer Foundation has taken on.

And we take that we've taken that on because the fatherlessness crisis is at its worst in our prisons and jails because all those men are locked up with kids that have a high probability of getting locked locked up you're 20 times more likely to go to jail if you're fatherless though the dropout rate 20 times you're 20 times more likely to go to jail if you're in a fatherless home. Yeah. So, Sean, let me give you an example. So when Rachel came to see one of my prison classes, about 85% of those men in that prison class were fatherless or didn't have an active father in their lives. And so you think about having entire prisons with

that many people who were fatherless. It really is. It's mind-blowing. And the pain, the emotional pain of it, Jack. I mean, these are grown, tough men with some of that tattoos on their face, and yet they're carrying around the pain

from not having had their father in their life. And by the way, Jack, you look at Barack Obama. I, when I see Barack Obama, I see a man who still is carrying the pain of not having had a father in his

life. Rachel, you are spot on. You can see it. You can tell it. It's why he, he doesn't really stand for for anything and is so willing to to just, you know, disregard his his basic morality and truth. I mean, this man has been around, you know, preachers and churches and faith and knows he's seen the world. Preachers and churches and faiths and knows he's seen the world.

And so, you know, he's so quick to change based upon what everyone else feels. And that's right. He's wounded. He's looking for acceptance. It has to be, you know, the world, the world has become his God. And that's unfortunate. You know, Jack, I was a prosecutor for 10 years, and I was struck by what you, your program and the purpose of rehabilitation, which I agree with. I don't know if the system is tapped, if the sentence or my repeat offenders or the ones I sent to prison, I didn't have a lot of faith in rehabilitation. And I don't know that it's a system problem. It's both.

But the individual, as you know, has to have it in their heart to go, I want to do something different. I want to change my life. And then if they have the desire in their heart to change their lives, there has to be programs like what you provide to say, you know what, we're going to give you the tools. We're going to give you, you know, we're going to talk about the faith. We're going to talk about the humanity and do that work that can actually help people rehabilitate. But you have to have a program like yours, but also someone who's like, you know what, I want to change. Because as Rachel mentioned, I thought the whole jail system that she went and saw was

part of your program. They're not. Some of the men in prison have decided, you know what, I like what's happening in Jack's program. I'm going to try it out. I'm going to get it off. And not all of them wanted it. Not all of them wanted it.

But the ones that do have found meaning, and to Rachel's point, found purpose. But you have to have a light in your heart, just one little spark to light and pursue. And you need a program like yours that can give that to people. That give you people hope. It's been so successful, Jack. Explain how much it's grown because something news just happened yes i i know that was a long way of telling this no no i want people to know what you're doing yeah yeah no thank you so uh we were we were just awarded um a grant by the state of

florida um governor de santis uh put in place a fatherhood bill and legislation, which I supported and helped with the vision of. And we were able to get this grant that's going to allow us to literally spread our programs across the state of Florida. We are so excited. So how many prisons were you in when I saw that one prison? How many other programs were in prisons and how much will you grow now? So the program that you saw was in three prisons at that time. This program now will expand to probably 15, This this program now will expand to probably 15. But it's not just the prisons. The biggest impact is our is our post release in our community engagement. And so what you saw there. What is that? What are you doing with the post release work that you do?

So so so here's what we do. So Rachel saw our community center there. So so so here's what we do. So Rachel Star, our community center there. So our community center is a place where families can come and get parenting classes. Families can send their kids there to get reading and math proficiency training so that we can actually address the effects of a father being in prison on their kids. And how can we do that? Right. We know that you're five times more likely to live in poverty if you're in prison. Well, we now have a major food distribution component. I opened up a food pantry since Rachel has been there. I opened it up about two months ago. This is the, this is the, this is sort of like that afterschool program that you had, right? Yeah. It's academics, it's everything.

And I expanded it. Now we delivered 51,000 pounds of food in July, for example, to the same families. And so now it's becoming full circle so that we can offer that community programming to the individuals who are impacted directly by their husband or their father being inside the prisons. And so inside the prison, we're also increasing our capabilities. We'll have a total of 18 facilitators and case managers now that will be canvassing the state of Florida, putting our evidence-based program inside the facilities. So we'll support the Florida Department of Corrections facilities in identifying fathers. We're working directly with the Department of Revenue in Florida so that each individual that has a child support case can now work with us. And we put together a child support recovery case plan

that's going to allow them to get vocational skills. We help them with job placement. We make sure they get housing. We make sure they get the driver's license. It's like a second chance at being a dad. It's a second chance at fatherhood. That's it. It's a second chance program. And that's what it is. That was the vision behind it. We tried to identify as many things that we could address again, keeping it with the basics. You need a driver's license, so you can't do anything, right? You need to have some type of skill to get a job and your kids need to eat and be able to read and write. And so it's not, you know, we're blocking and tackling. But I think the state saw the impact that we're having and they want to take it across the state of Florida

and we're blessed for it. Jack, you're obviously, you have a lot of energy. You do a lot of things. You give a lot back. Most people aren't the most, again, the 99.8% that make it in the NFL, there's probably fewer people who are like the Jack Brewers of the world who try to make their community and their state a better place. But I think a lot of people have good hearts. A lot of people have good hearts. And they go, well, Jack is, I mean, now he's going to expand to 15

prisons. And it's not just in prisons. He's doing this after program and the focus on fatherhood and making sure kids don't get in jail. And kids are fed. And it's remarkable. But if people listen to our podcast to go, you know what? I want to help make a change in my community. I want to make the world just a little bit better because I lived in it. What advice do you have for people who are like, you know what, I want to make one small ounce of change in the community in which I live

or the family in which I live? First off, you got to pray for discernment and wisdom. Yes. We are all called to do different things. Yeah. wisdom. We are all called to do different things. And sometimes, you know, our calling may be the one who can sow the seed. Sometimes our calling can be the one who has a little extra time to go in and teach that underserved kid how to read and write. You know, so there's just, there's so many ways we can do it, but I think we need to have more discernment with our giving.

You know, I see people that come to me all the time that want to start their own organizations, but they really don't have the grace for it. I see people who are just giving money, but they have so much else that they could actually be be given and doing that would help make an impact more than just the treasure. that would help make an impact more than just the treasure. And so I think the discernment is really where it starts in remembering that when you serve, it's spiritual. It's not physical. And so it's not always about what makes you feel good. It's about when you see that impact and you see God work through you. And so I think if you keep the mentality of making sure that you always have God working through you, keep the mentality of making sure that you always have God working through you. I think we will impact the community because at the end of the day, we'll be saving souls. And it has to come back to that. I think that's such a great answer because it's the right way to start.

For every single person, there's something they can do. I also love that you're partnering with government. I'm sick and tired of these kinds of ministries, this kind of work being given to soulless bureaucrats instead of religious people of faith who actually want to save the souls and the families that are injured by this culture, by this culture of fatherlessness, this wounding that has happened. It was never going to be resolved. It's never going to be fixed by soulless, secular bureaucrats. And so, you know, God bless Governor Ron DeSantis. He is doing a fantastic job in Florida. Santus. He is doing a fantastic job in Florida. The people of Florida need him. And the fact that he saw what you were doing and decided to put the power of government to sort of supercharge that is exactly the way it should be.

You're right. I love him. I think he's doing an amazing job. And anytime anyone sees, you know, something that, that they know is working, he addresses that. It took a lot of courage to do it. It's the reason he's the first state to actually pass legislation like this. Rachel, but you said something else. I'm open when I say this. I've never taken a penny from my foundation. I don't get paid. I do. I literally work 50, 60 hours a week on my nonprofit. And I know everybody's not able to do that. And that's why I always go back to the grace, right? God has blessed me with other sources of income,

but I think ministries need to be ministries again. Your motivation can't be how much you're making from your ministry if it's your ministry. The word ministry in the Bible means to serve. And until we really have people that are willing to serve again, and that means put out any type of personal interest, right? So I'm blessed. I write, I'm one of the biggest donors to my foundation because I write checks. And you know what? If we need to expand and buy a van and we don't have the money, I write write checks. And you know what? If we need to expand and buy a van and we don't have the money, I write the check for it. Or I go find one of my close friends.

But I'm serious. We have so many organizations and you look at how much they spend and it's all salaries of executives and this person, this person. Man, go pay your people on the ground and be done with it. I think of the Clinton Foundation. Yeah, that's a perfect example of someone who hasn't discerned and has the wrong idea.

By the way, Jack, when I was visiting Jack, he had someone who had gone through his program at the prison, had graduated from his program, was now serving that program by becoming a mentor to other prisoners who's living in Jack Brewer's house because that's the kind of guy Jack is. It's real. It's not. And by the way, when people think about donating, I will say there is no better place. And you talk about discern what you can give. Maybe you can't start this in your town, but you can give money to the Jack Brewer Foundation. And I'm telling you, I saw this up close and personal. It is God's work. It is well thought out. It has helped me. The most marginalized children in our community, those without fathers, giving them what they didn't get from their own dads, training their dads who are in jail to become those dads. I mean, I can't think of anything better. Trump appointee and that you're probably getting kicked off, you know, next year. And it reminded me that Jack Brewer used to be a Democrat. I think you actually told Donald Trump that he was the first black president, if I'm not mistaken.

I think you said that. Can you just I know this this is a little off topic, but it is similar. I mean, you got to go where where does my faith lead me? Where does you know who's doing the work of of not of God god but who's but who's who's who's supporting families who's doing the things that build up the family in the community and allow people to practice their presidential race we're talking about politics what happened to you jack i mean you're like you're you're obviously you're a thinking man you're a you're an insightful pondering person, and you're a Democrat. That's right.

Why were you there? Why did you become a Trump supporter? Why are you partnering with Republican Ron DeSantis, who's running for the presidency as a Republican? What the hell happened? Well, my faith led me here. You know, I was a Democrat my entire life. Why? Because I was taught that those were the principles that aligned with me. You know, those were the principles that looked out for the marginalized, that looked out for the underserved and the uneducated and to give a person a leg up. That's always been my focus. I was just misguided. And so Donald Trump really did

something for me. He educated me on the depths of the corruption in the system, starting to understand what was really going on behind the curtain. And so I had before, I'll admit I was a little gullible. I trusted the I just you know, I trusted the politicians. I trusted the system and really didn't look in. And so when I started digging in and, you know, and saw the 94 crime bill was was written by Joe Biden and pushed by Bill Clinton, who I at the. Right. And then I started digging even deeper into, you know, what Obama was doing and, you know, the whole, you know, LGBTQ agenda. And, you know, he was really there. The mask got for it and how much money they were pouring into him and the reasons he was making the decisions he was making. I just I couldn't do it anymore. And, you know, seeing the foreign corruption, I mean, Donald Trump showed me all that. So, I mean, when he came down that escalator,

for me, it was a huge awakening. And I voted for him in 2016. It was the first, he was, until last year, he was the only, or last election, he was the only or last election. He was the only Republican I ever voted for. Literally, I voted for Donald Trump and all Democrats down the line away from me just because I was just hard to it. It was hard to comprehend that I was a Republican. And man, when he became president and the things he do and the way he stood up for life and the way he stood up for faith and organizations, you know, it really changed me. And there was a reason why I called him the first black president. People thought I was crazy. I got mocked. I mean, I got harassed from from particularly the black community. from particularly the Black community.

But now you see everybody is jumping on the bandwagon as they are persecuting them the way that they persecuted Martin Luther King and the way they persecuted Malcolm X and other Black leaders. They're doing the same thing to him. Yeah, some of the same forces. It's like the FBI. Exactly.

But is that really resonating? Is that really resonating? Because we're hearing, I'm hearing both sides of that, right, Jack? And this is so fascinating. I want to talk about the black vote in the next for the next election, because I've heard people say, you know, first of all, as you said, black people experience real wage increases, real tangible changes to their economic family, you know, table issues. And so people saw their incomes increase, their lifestyle get better under Trump. Then they had the pandemic, then they had Joe Biden, and things have just really collapsed economically. So people are feeling it, inflation, et cetera, et cetera. But then there's also this other thing you're talking about, other thing you're talking about, which is seeing the justice system go after somebody truly unfairly. And, and, and, and, and so I've heard some people say, well, black people understand

that. And, and this is going to make a difference in the next election. And then I've heard other people say, no, that's not true. Or even that it's, it's racist to say that a mugshot of Donald Trump, you know, might get the attention of the African-American community in that sort of justice conversation. So talk to me about that. Well, whenever you go into the heart of Atlanta and you hear people screaming free Trump, it's resonating. Something's happening. And I think, you know, listen, we would all be lying to ourselves if we sit here and say that African Americans throughout the history of America have been treated fairly in the criminal justice system. We just know that that's not true. Even still here in the state of Florida, you know, there's

certain places where, you know, African, African-American kids are just treated differently. And it's not always because they're black. Sometimes it's because they don't have the resources to get as good of an attorney or they don't have the representative there. They're from a community that a lot of people are getting shot, killed or murdered. And the judge is tired of it. So, I mean, there's reasons for it. It's happening. And for us to deny that, I mean, would be just, you know, we'd be lying to ourselves. But I think what Trump is doing now is he's exposing the depth of the corruption. And I think it's just, it's to see that the side by side, right? The Bidens in their crime and the things that they're doing and no one says a word about it.

But yet, you know, Trump is being persecuted all over the country from these different state agencies offices. And I think people are going to wake up to that. It's only going to be so long where they can't show that. And it's no different. I mean, look at Nelson Mandela. When did he become more popular? When he was in prison. I mean, you start arresting people and the common man is just not okay with that, particularly when they know and see the corruption of those in power. And I think that's know, that's what, that's what, that's where the spirit of my comments were, uh, almost seven years ago when I called president Trump, the first black president, I was talking about him, but I was also talking about Barack Obama. I, I refuse to sit back and

have a man who was a president of the United States who continues to divide our nation and call us racist when 68% or whatever the number was of people voted for him, and the majority of them were white. And so for him not to admit that America has made great gains, it has a long way to go, every country does. We're people created in sin, right? We're living in sin. It's not like we're a perfect people. You're going to have issues all over the country. But for a man to go and literally completely deny the word of God, who claims to be a Christian, you know, defiled the defiled marriage, biblical marriage, just change the definition of that. biblical marriage, just change the definition of that. And then to sit in office for eight years and practically do no major policies to help African-Americans. Then you have this white businessman from New York who's been in over 120 rap songs, I'll say, been missing in 120 rap songs.

This guy comes down the escalator and all of a sudden creates the greatest economy for African Americans in the history of America. And everything he said he was going to do, he's done. And so for me not to say that he's the first black president, I would be being disingenuous. I'm not going to support someone just off of their skin color. My comment on black went way deeper than melanin in the skin. My comment on black went to the service in the hearts of black people, who is actually helping our most underserved. And not that all blacks are poor. I'm not saying that just like I'm not saying every black father is no good. What I'm saying is, is we have a crisis where from a percentage wise in America, a lot of blacks are living in poverty and they shouldn't be. And they don't have to be

if we elect the right people. We'll have more of this conversation after this. And you would have thought Barack Obama being fatherless himself would have taken up that issue or even criminal justice reform, but he didn't take up that issue or even criminal justice reform but he didn't take up that issue donald trump let you take up that issue and then you and then he also did criminal justice reform jack i it's that you you've sparked a lot of thoughts for me but if we look at we're catholics but look at the early christians as the as the romans and others thought they could kill christians and kill the the faith. The church was built on the blood of martyrs. A hundred percent.

Right. And you think you can kill Donald Trump by, by indicting him one time, he got stronger. It's like the death of a martyr. It's like you did him a second time and he gets stronger. You did him a third time, even stronger in a fourth time.

His numbers go up even further. It's like, it's almost like, you know, It's almost like the martyr's blood that builds a church and a faith across the globe. They're trying to kill Donald Trump. And remarkably, he only gets stronger over the course of their persecution. And we go back to the African-American vote. And again, you look at the polling, you know, black women hate him, but black men actually kind of like him.

And so what do you got? What, 12% of the vote in the last election? He got 20% of the black man's mail vote. No, of the total vote. No, but he got 20% of black men voted for Donald Trump. What do you predict it will be this time? Yeah, where are we going? I think we're going to get high 30s, definitely high 30s.

That might change the election. It will change the election. It will change the election. You know, my only prayer is that when we get time for the campaign, and this is something that it's, it's Trump, but it's really his, his senior staff and different people. If Trump is the nominee, they need to really engage with African-Americans and that's not using people as spokesmen. That's actually having some people in the room. He needs some real black folks in his cabinet. He needs some real

black folks in these positions that can impact. And I'm talking about whether it's the Department of Education. I'm talking about the Department of Justice. I'm talking about the areas where black people need to be uplifted. I mean, he was great putting Ben Carson in HUD. And God bless Ben. I think he did an amazing job. But put somebody in there that's been in these streets. Put somebody in there that understands what's going on in this nation and can actually speak to it, fix it and address it quickly. We don't have a lot of time. You got four years. It has to be impactful stuff, and it needs to be experts and people in this field. And if we really engage with the Black community this time around, we're going to not just win, but you're going to unite the nation. And that's what needs to happen. We need to stop focusing on winning elections, and we need to start focusing on uniting this nation also you shouldn't i'm always amazed i think donald trump does an amazing job campaigning but he hasn't gone into the black community he hasn't where's where's a rally you know where's

he going to a church where is he doing things that because i was in i was in i was a i was a republican congressman for 10 years you go to the places the places that you might feel are a little uncomfortable the places where people might not always love you but if you want to win votes you got to go see him you got to show up who is going there i have to give him credit vivek ram swami and by the way vivek jack has been going in talking about immigration policy. And he has been getting massive response to the point where the New York Times is trying to say, oh, no, he didn't get that response. I was there. And Vivek showing the footage and showing, are you kidding me?

Everyone in the room was agreeing with me on this policy. So let's talk about why isn't Donald Trump going? I have so many questions for you. Why isn't Donald Trump trump going i have so many questions for you why isn't donald trump going into those neighborhoods i wanted to get understand what the reaction your reaction to the mugshot has been and i also i'm going to ask you a touchy question because i know you like them both yeah talk to me about talk to me about ron desantis versus donald trump the question i saw it about but i't. I want to put you on the spot.

Let's talk about all three of those. Let's start with that. Let's talk with Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis, because I like them both, too. And I'm not from Florida. I imagine I feel even stronger if I was from Florida about liking him. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's one of those decisions that when people ask me, I say the same thing. Obviously, I like them both. I work with them

both. If you ask me who's ready right now, day one, to run the country, I can't deny the impact that President Trump had. I think his policies and his approach was one that worked. And I think it'll work again. Now, if you ask me, if I look at long term, who can help this nation over the long term, I think Ron DeSantis is going to make an incredible president of the United States. And so, you know, for me, for me, I don't think the American people have to decide between the two. I think that, and that was one thing that I disagree with, frankly, with both of them for doing. I think the way that they're going at each other makes no sense. I think that they were both not advised very well.

And I think the issues that they had between each other could have been easily worked out. You know, if I'm playing wide receiver and I'm the second receiver on the team, or I'm the backup wide receiver on the team, and I get a chance to go be the starter somewhere or take your position, I'm going to try to take your position. That still doesn't mean you can't be my friend. And so that's where both of them have rubbed me wrong a little bit. I would have had much more class with that or insisted that my campaign have a little bit more class in that. That's my reaction to that.

Go ahead. I was going to say, how about the mugshot that Rachel asked about? The mugshot? I mean, listen, I go to prisons all the time. So, you know, I'm around a bunch of dudes with mugshots. So I thought he killed that mugshot. If you're going to get a mugshot, that was the way to do it, right? Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it's one of those things where this man is annoying you with something, man. For him to even be able to go, I couldn't even repeat that. I wouldn't be able to do that in the mirror if I tried, especially at the exact time where they snapped that picture. I don't know. I think it was a higher power over that, and it'll go viral. It'll be one of those photos that my great-great-great-great-grandchildren will know the story

of we just got to make sure that that the real story is told at the time my favorite my favorite meme since the mugshot and there's been a lot of them as you all know um is there's a side-by-side picture of donald trump and with the mugshot with theshot, he's just kind of staring down and there's an eagle and the eagle is staring down. It's almost like it just there's a very similar look of a mean eagle kind of staring down. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in this election. If you're right, Jack Brewer, and we're going to you know we're gonna see if if donald trump becomes a nominee and i suspect he will be um and i think it's kind of time for republicans to unite the forces on the other side are just so strong that if we keep dividing it's not good but you know i don't know it's not good i think don't you're right i think donald trump

is ready he's proven he can take the hits to the head and get right back up. He lets it fall right off of him. He doesn't have a thin skin. He's got a quick answer for how to deal with all that stuff. He's got, as you said, he had success. So I think all of that's in place. And it'll be interesting to see if he becomes a nominee, if you're right about what you think will happen with the mail vote for Donald Trump. That will change the election. Can I ask one last question for you? Yeah, but I didn't answer the other one and I really want to answer it. OK, answer that one. Go ahead.

What he has to do in the black community and what. Yes, that's it. That's that's important. Yep. In the black community, the Republicans have to, like you said, not just go there. And Sean made a good point. You got to go in into the crowd, but you got to start looking like them. And what I mean by that is you got it. You can't just go somewhere and not have real voices. and not have real voices. The one knock I will say about President Trump is his, from his cabinet position to the people running his campaign, it doesn't look like America. And he needs to fix that, in my opinion. He needs to make sure that he has diverse thought and that he doesn't have a few people who are leading him down these rabbit holes. I think

that's the difference between Vivek. Vivek right now has Kathy Burnett and all these dynamic people in his kind of circle, his inner circle, these people that are just grassroots fighters. I agree. That's what Donald Trump had in 2016. That was the difference. Now we got the same people making all the decisions. They're they're the guys who whoever are controlling who gets to see him, who doesn't, who gets this influence, that influence. And if you look at these folks, unfortunately, most of them have never really served. They've never really done. They've never really accomplished the whole lot right and i understand you got to keep people that you trust but i think that's going to bite us again like it did in 2020 it bit us because we were not out there doing what sean

just said and i think that to do that you got to have the actual people with that clout in the communities and that's what we need to do we need the message matters but so does the messenger so i just i'm gonna can i can i have a moment of honesty with you jack because i just heard me say this um i don't know i've said this you know on a podcast or anything but i i look at you know i thought donald trump was a great president for every american i think he could have done a better job and you know in what you're talking about you're right um and i know i knew this in Congress, even from men and women, we think differently. Everyone from different experiences thinks differently about issues and having a wide array of perspectives is important for any leader. I 100% agree with that, Jack. And you can't represent people if you don't have the perspective of those people in the team you have around you. So I agree with that. But I look at Trump, what he did for the economy. And again, we can name

small things, but they're big things. I mean, the criminal justice reform, trying to go, well, what else is important? Well, the historically black colleges need longer term funding. I'm going to do that. And I think he tried to do things that I think were pointed and showing action and carrying through action in the policies that he fought for. The Democrats actually didn't join him on, they actually fought him on it. And in the end, he got a slight increased sliver of a vote of the community. i i kind of throw my hands up and go i don't think you know black americans are going to vote for republicans i just don't i mean maybe hispanics might but we're definitely more persuadable there's no question so then i'm like well so why

are you trying that's a bad that's a really negative point of view jack i'm saying this for you i'm waiting for you to light me up a little bit but i'm like what what's going on because with democrats democrats they're most i mean i guess maybe i don't want to generalize but we're people for ever were people of faith and and and and the lgbtq that i mean all this crazy stuff that's happening from democrats in the schools yeah how in the hell does that fit with you know uh african-american christian families. I mean, what is going on? That's my that's. Yeah. First, first, I'm saying, yes, yes. First off, the black, the black, the black culture, the black church culture is the old black culture.

So we just got to say that's the old playbook. And that it ain't it now that they're twerking and dancing. So that's the unfortunate reality. I'll say that. But to your to your point on on why. So take the HBCU, for example. Right. There was not a single HBCU president who supported Donald Trump publicly. president who supported Donald Trump publicly. And I think that's a direct reflection on his administration. I'm going to tell you right now, if I was over the Board of Education or the Department of Education, or I was on that cabinet and I was setting up the meetings with them black presidents, I'd have had a talk with them. We'd have had some support coming up out of there. It wouldn't have been my bill. It'd have been our bill. Right. It wouldn't have been my message. It would have been our message.

I think when you when you focus on yourself so much, it's hard to be a true servant. That's people are going to be able to communicate for you. He makes it too much about him. He makes it too much about him. I think if he takes a step back and humbles himself, if a humble man passes a law that that frees 11000 black men in the course of a year and a half, which the First Step Act does. single state department of corrections officers or heads in my office i would have had every um criminal justice major criminal justice non-profit and agency in my office when i passed that bill i wouldn't have just had my white guys and my and my um a son-in-law and all of those people in the room when i'm doing those type of things that's me it would have been our bill not my bill and i think that is his problem he no one no one in his cabinet or no one around him would tell him that I would. And so I agree with you, Sean, to a point, but I think when you make everything about you, everything becomes about you. And it's very hard

to communicate with people that may not see eye to eye with you, may not be raised like you, may not have a lot of stuff in common with you when you don't do things that include them. And none of that included these people i'm telling you or you would so you're saying he helped them but he didn't create a real coalition with them and bring them on board of course not and you're right jared was running jared was running that right yeah that's the cancer nobody gonna tell him that but that's your cancer i mean you can't have you can't have listen son i'm a real dude right i'm keeping it 100 with you right you can't have the same guy

leading everything controlling who comes in you're not being in no positions so yeah that's the reason why he didn't get the traction from all them great policies is because you weren't including people in there. Yeah. People, some people wanted to take credit and they had their own agendas and they didn't have the agenda of the community. And it's hard.

It's harder to get that perspective. If people like Jack Brewer, for example, aren't in the room to remind them. I mean, this is new. By the way, to be fair, this was new territory for Republicans to be in. You know, this was new territory. And it would have been helpful to have people who know those communities

and we're going to make those communities versus their own egos and, you know, agendas, the priority. I think that is an absolutely fair thing to say, Jack, I think. And I think it reflects a lot of what happened. And I think you're opening my eyes, Jack. I'm like, yeah, you know what, you're right. That's right. And when you have a community that's not used to voting for you, you sure as hell better build a coalition of people around you, you know, with messaging that says, you know what, I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing it for all of us. We all did this together. You're absolutely right. And what, but, but one, oh, go ahead, Rachel. I just say, well, what I've been hearing from the Trump campaign and others have said,

and I've seen it in news reports is that Jared is taking a backseat in the next administration. Do you, do you think that would be helpful? Do you think that's a good thing? Do you believe it? I don't believe it fully. But I think if if if President Trump came out, you know, no different than Ivanka says she's done with politics. Trump needs to come out and say this time around, I'm not he will not be my senior advisor. I'm not, he will not be my senior advisor. It's the wrong look for America. He's not adding anything. It didn't serve the president well.

It didn't serve America well. No, no, it didn't serve America well. I personally know a governor, I won't say the name, but I personally know a governor who went into a meeting with Donald Trump, asked for something to happen for that person's state, came out thinking that thing was going to happen. Trump said yes. And then as the, as that governor, again, I won't say who walked out, that governor told me that Jared told that governor, sorry, I know the president said yes to you on that, but that's not happening.

And I know that on a firsthand basis. So there was a lot of control there. And some people look at Abraham Accords and say, that was done well. But I think what you're talking about, they did great stuff that they ended up not getting credit for and not getting votes for because it wasn't done. And I'm not I'm not here to push back, Jack, but a little bit.

I mean, I look at Democrats. I'm like, what the hell have they done for the community? They talk with they talk great games. They say a lot of nice things, but people's lives aren't better. And they take votes for granted. And, you know, they come around every two or four years. They stay in the community. That's the difference. Yeah, they might. But the policies don't. The policies are hurting people.

And it's like people don't understand that. They can't comprehend policy. You know, some people don't understand law. They never read a bill. They don't understand what a bill looks like. But they do understand if you give them shows up seven hundred dollar checks right or if you yeah if if you if you counsel their their college debt like they understand those things they're basic most people are are simple-minded in this basic right they just they got other stuff to do surface they're right they're moving around

but i agree i agree but with with with with Jared, Jared was incredible writing policy. First step back, Abraham, of course, incredible writing policy, writing policy is only a fraction of what it requires to lead a nation. The number one thing you need as a leader. And I've said this my entire career, is to unify. If you can't unify, you are not a leader. You can hire policy people. You can hire people to write policy. You can hire people to write promotion plans. You can hire people to do all of that. You cannot hire anyone that can unify. That is an anointing. I believe Donald Trump can unify the nation. I just don't think he can do it when the people that he has empowered, right, have so much control that they lose his vision and they don't know how to go into the community and articulate his vision. He has a

complex history and a complex past that's going to require folks who are from these communities to actually run and lead these initiatives. And if he doesn't do that this time around, Do you have his ear? Do you have his ear to do that? To tell him? No, I don't have his ear to tell him. We're going to change that, Jack. We're going to change that. Because you can't have his, you can't have his ear one-on-one because there's too many,

there's too many layers and the people that are layers i know them all and i don't even talk to them about it because i i see that is it that's their security blanket so when you you can run a you can run your company like that right your business because your business you can measure, you know, through growth and financials and all that. You can't run a nation like that. A nation has a lot of the issues you got to deal with other than bottom line. Yeah. I'll tell you if I, if I had a Jack Brewer and if I was president, I could have a Jack Brewer in my orbit to help me with, I think the greatest opportunity ever to make inroads into the African-American community. I would not pass that up.

I would not allow, you know, whatever is going on internally in my campaign to stop that from happening. That really should change. I hope somebody from Trump's team is listening because I think it's a missed opportunity. It's interesting with the Hispanic community, Jack, I think they responded to Trump's economic policies, probably because such a large percentage of them are small business owners. They start businesses at three times the rate

of the average American. And I think that they saw in Donald Trump a businessman. Every small businessman. I know a guy who's a construction worker, a relative of Sean's. You know, he's he is a small construction business in Sean's small town. And he's like, yeah, Donald Trump's like me. He gets it. He gets he's a businessman just like me.

So anyone who started as a business feels that affinity for somebody who sees the world through that business lens. And so I think a lot of Hispanics saw that they felt the impact of, of the economy under Trump because it helped the working class. And so, um, there's that I want to ask you really quick about the black women's vote. Is that a possibility for, for Trump to make inroads there? Why, why are black women not interested in voting for Donald Trump? Because black women are, you know, oftentimes can't get over some of the media lies that they've just been fed, right? They see this white man billionaire

that the left is trying to paint as racist, but they don't see the pictures of him walking down a red carpet with his black girlfriend that he had before he married. I mean, I didn't know that. I actually didn't know that. How much of it do you think? I didn't know that. That's interesting. Do you think some of it is because the government has become the baby daddy for so many women who don't have fathers in the home? You know, women who don't have fathers in the home that the government that the party that offers more government as a as a substitute for that is. Could that be part of it? I don't think so, because I don't think that's the voting bloc. You know, the reality is that population doesn't even vote as much as, you know, the middle class African-American woman. Interesting. Hardworking African-American woman.

I just think that that that woman has fell in love with the Barack Obama message. Yeah, I think they fell in love with the LGBTQ. I think that has a lot to do with with the lack of of of of masculinity in the black community at this time. The lack of male prominence and leading our homes and in setting the standard and morality, moral decay. I think you're seeing, you know, a woman that will accept the Cardi B and play that will accept the Beyonce and how she dresses and acts and the demonic nature in which she moves and play that we'll accept the beyonce and how she dresses and acts in the demonic nature in which she moves and embrace that that that's what the the african-american female culture has started to embrace uh and i think that that is a gonna be a tough win for not just donald trump but any republican i mean I could run for president and would have a difficult time getting that vote.

So I don't know that demographic that you go after. I think the black male vote is a huge opportunity because the black male vote is a show me vote. Show me what you're doing for us. The black man doesn't have to necessarily want to have a beer with you or be your buddy to vote for you. The black man wants to know that. What are you going to are you going to do? What's what's good for us versus this other guy? And that's what I think the Hispanic vote is that, too. Right.

I think it's there, too. Boy, just so much insight from you, Jack. This has been a long ranging conversation. I want to thank you so much for joining us. I encourage people to join the, to be part of and coalition with the Jack Brewer Foundation, to donate, to see what you're doing, to encourage other states to follow suit and learn some of the things that you guys are doing and testing through your programs to help young kids and also to help those who are in prison. Jack Brewer, you are an amazing, amazing person. You're somebody that Sean and I always look up to. And it's always a pleasure and an honor to have you on. I want to thank you very

much for doing that. No, thank both of you. God bless you. You're in my prayers and all those beautiful babies you have and keep being a light to the world. I'm always honored to have a conversation with you guys, whether it's on a media platform or in person. So, you know, you are always in my prayers, my entire family. And it goes right back at you.

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