From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Jillian Michaels: Finding Your Fitness Goals & How Big Food Is Making You Sick

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

The nation is facing a health crisis of epic proportions as over 40% of adults in the United States are obese. Celebrity fitness trainer, New York Times bestseller and creator of The Fitness App Jillian Michaels shares how her app can help you achieve your fitness goals and why nutrition is the top factor in managing your weight.  Later, Jillian weighs in on the latest trend of celebrities using the diabetes drug Ozempic to lose weight, how pharmaceuticals have overtaken traditional weight loss methods and touches upon the diets that lead to a long and healthy life. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Campos Duffy. It's great to be back at the kitchen table, Sean, and boy, we have a guest. I'd like to say she's a little bit of a blast from the past, but she's not from the past. She's like still rocking it right now. You may know her from The Biggest Loser. I love that show. Also eight New York Times bestseller. I mean, just eight of them.

And of course, she has the number one fitness rated app in the country. It's also taking over the world jillian michaels welcome to the kitchen table hi guys thank you for having me so jillian i have to tell you first off this is why we're saying from the past because we've been following you for a long time ripped in 30 i was in congress for nine years and and I saw Rachel doing your workout tips, and she was in the best shape of her life. I was. And listen, you guys do a little jumping around, a little, it's not very manly, I'm going to say that. I started doing it, though, and I'm like, actually, I'm getting results.

So I'm in the house gym working out with Jillian. I'm not going to lie to you. I was mocked by my other fellow members of Congress. Because Paul Ryan was a big P90X guy and Sean was a Jillian person. Jillian, you and me, sister. Oh my gosh. Shame on him. That's a real man. A man that's not intimidated by a strong woman. And you can tell him I said that.

That was what I was saying too, Jillian. You and I are on the same page. It's so funny because you came on Fox & Friends to talk about the app. And again, I was in the best shape of my life when I was doing your DVDs. And then, you know, we shift and we start doing other things. I have a Peloton. I'm trying to get myself to do weights. I want to actually use you as a counselor later in the show to help me. What I'm doing wrong, Like how I get back.

I think your app might be, honestly, I think your app might be helpful to me in that regard, but you know, tell us what the app, tell us what you're doing on there. It's fitness and it's food, right? Well, the app is a one-stop shop for all your wellness needs. And that simply means personalized workout programs, custom meal plans, meditation made simple, sleep support, community, coaching, and tracking all in one device, one app. Actually, every device. You can use it on any device, any place, any time. Stream the workouts to your TV, take them on your smart device, use it on your phone, your tablet. But the idea is giving people what they need to hit their goals and meeting all of those needs

accessibly and affordably. How does the coaching work? Because that's intriguing to me. So put it this way. If you show up and you say, all right, I'm in the gym today and I want a personal training workout with Jillian. So not a program, which you can select all the DVDs happen to be in there, by the way, if you can stream them on any device, any time, but let's say you go to the gym and you say, I want Jillian to train me in the gym. You say, okay, I've got 30 minutes. You can select 20, 30, 45 an hour. I want lower body, upper body, total body. This is the equipment I have available. And this is my fitness level. This is my fitness goal. So those are the things you enter for me before the workout. And then it creates the workout for you

that I would create based on every single thing you've told me, because everything is categorized by difficulty level, goal, muscle group, and so on. And then I'll say, okay, if you want to essentially learn how to use this machine, you can click on it. And I teach you how to use every single piece of equipment before the workout if you don't know how to do it. I take you through the entire workout as long as I'm training you side by side. I walk you through the reps, the motivation, give you form cues the entire time. side. I walk you through the reps, the motivation, give you form cues the entire time. So that's real-time interactive workouts that it has. It also has the opportunity for you to show up and say, Ooh, I want a 60 day reboot program, high intensity. I want to drop 20 pounds,

or you could want to gain muscle in 30 days. There's programs for that. So pretty much anything you want, you can do in the app. Can I just ask one quick question on that? Talk to me about cardio versus strength training, because I'm, so I'm over 50. Okay. I have just barely over 50. I'm 51. I'm 51. And my workout, my problem is consistency. I go, I start, and then I'm not consistent for a lot of reasons.

So I'm not my fault. I have had nine kids. So, like, I've had to start and, like, kind of up and down. Do you have an award? Did somebody give you an award? I hope you've gotten an award. Nine kids. We have nine kids.

How? Sean and I met on The Real World. So we met on reality TV. Forgive my ignorance. This is incredible. I'm sorry. I should have known. No, that's okay.

So we met on MTV, on The Real World. We're the longest married reality TV couple ever. Wow. And 23 years. Four years. 24 years. It's just last week that's our background i have had the kids so i'm up and down with like that we also travel and i think travel is so hard for me to stay consistent yeah i know I would be better if I woke up really, really early before everybody else worked out and I'll do it for a few days. And then I just, I'm so disciplined at every

other area of my life, but I'm just not in that. And I don't know what to do. Okay. So the first part that you can control no matter where you are or what's going on is what you're eating. matter where you are or what's going on is what you're eating. So exercise is the number one form of preventative medicine, period. It is the top contributor to not just the length of your life, but the quality of your life because of how it impacts your health. When it comes to weight loss and weight management and even weight gain, it's not going to be the most effective tool your nutrition is. Because ultimately, let's say you go to the gym and you work out, you kill yourself and you burn 500 calories. You're going to do all kinds of awesome stuff for your cognitive function, your cardiovascular system, your glucose sensitivity, all these awesome things, right? Health-wise, you're killing the

game. But you then go and have two chai lattes over the course of your day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, and there went your workout calories. Are chai lattes bad? They're not bad. Remember that food has two components. One is nutrition, right? Does it have vitamins, minerals, polyphenols, antioxidants, or is it loaded with garbage and chemicals and fake colors and fake flavors? That's the stuff that impacts your health. It also has energy in it. Those are calories. And I could say to you, hey, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks? A pound is a pound. A calorie is a calorie.

It's a unit of energy. So even though you might be saying, well, wait a second now, you know, 500 calories of chips is not the same as 500 calories of avocado. Not for your health. No. But when it comes to your waistline, in very large part, it is. These foods will impact your hormone balance. There's no question. And your hormones regulate appetite when you're full, when you're hungry. But there's a lot of things that come into play with that. It could be whether

or not you're getting morning sunlight. It could be whether or not you've got light on at night. It could be whether or not you're eating morning sunlight. It could be whether or not you've got light on at night. It could be whether or not you're eating before bed. It could be all of the environmental endocrine disruptors that are throwing your hormones into chaos. A lot of things mess up your hormones. The bottom line is that if you're not overeating, even if the food is garbage, I hate to say it, I don't advocate for it, but it is the simple science. You won't get bigger. You won't. And you can maintain your weight. So what I try to tell people is when they feel like they can't

get to the gym. And I myself have been there two weeks now. I haven't been able to get to the gym because I've had my dad in town, my son in town. I'm working like crazy. I got sick, like just a ton of crap going on, but I can control what I eat and my body weight doesn't fluctuate. So that's something you always have is to use common sense eating. And while I could get into deep science with you, write about foods that help to stimulate our stem cells and extend the length of our telomeres and kill cancer cells and all kinds of crazy science. It's pretty simple at the end of the day. Don't overeat. Try to create a minimum of a 12-hour overnight fast. If you stop eating at eight o'clock the night before, try not

to eat until eight o'clock the next morning. And then eat every three to four hours. So it's breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner. So we don't have insulin surging all day long. And use common sense with your food choices. We all know you go to a drive-thru if you go. If you end up there, which is okay, a chicken salad that they have there with the dressing on the side is going to be a heck

of a lot better than the double bacon cheeseburger with a side of onion rings and a soda. I'm not going to tell you anything you don't know. I'm just going to reassure you of what you feel in your heart and in your head and in your gut about what to do. It's that simple. So that you can always control, right? Common sense with your food. Then we can get into fitness and how to get it in and what to do to be the most effective and so on and so forth. So, Jillian, I want to come back to food in a second, but I want to go to the workout. And sometimes what Rachel will do is she puts on her workout.

I did for you today. She'll wear it around the house. I'm like, listen, it doesn't count that you put on your workout. I did for you today. She'll wear it around the house. I'm like, listen, it doesn't count that you put on your workout gear. You have to go to the gym and work out. We have a little gym in our house. And it's a problem. She'll find a whole bunch of things to do that are bigger priorities than going to the gym, which is big. And it's in our basement. And I give her a hard time about that. Is there a difference for men and women on cardio versus weightlifting? And is there an issue with age? Should you do more weightlifting when you're older?

How do you break down weight versus cardio in your workout for age and sexes? Okay. So first of all, sexes makes no difference. It's goal. What is your fitness goal? If your fitness goal is to pack on muscle, it'll be easier for you because you have, well, Sean, you, Sean, sorry, I'm looking at you, Sean, but I don't know if you can tell. It'll be easier for Sean because you have more androgenic hormones. So it will be easier for you to build muscle, but the workout

would be the same that I would recommend to Rachel if she was trying to pack on muscle. So your workout, which is why one of the factors you check in the app, right, is what's your goal? Because I'm going to change how much weight versus how many repetitions versus which exercises you're going to get served. So that is what's going to determine what you're going to do is what is the goal, right? That's a big piece of it. But as we get older, Jillian, isn't, I mean, I'm, Sean and I are the same age.

We're both losing more muscle as we get older. So we need to do more weights. Okay. Well, now you're asking me, what should the goal be? So that's a separate conversation. We really want you to be our special trainer. No, I love it. I absolutely love it. It's what I do. It's my passion. Okay. So now let's talk about age for a second, because that's also a huge misconception that many people have. misconception that many people have. And what I mean by that is they'll say, well,

I'm 50 now, or I'm 60 now, and so on, which means to many, I'm no longer capable of X, Y, and Z. That could be heavy lifting. That could be high intensity training. And that's absolutely not true. And in fact, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because what happens is if you are avoiding these types of physical stressors, because that's what exercise is, it's stress. And then the body has a stress adaptation response. It has an inflammatory response to the injury you've created during your workout. Now it should be a controlled injury, right? We don't want to stress fracture. We don't want to pull a muscle. There are little micro tears in the muscles. We're stressing the bone, little micro fissures in the bone. The body has an inflammatory response, heals everything, strengthens your cardiovascular system, and we're fitter for it. Okay. So having said all of that age has nothing to do with it. I could show you a 70 year old that runs marathons and a 20 year old that will puke running a half a mile.

It has to do with how consistent you are with your conditioning. So put the age aside. And if you begin to think you're fragile because of age, as mentioned, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because it is the high intensity training that's going to keep your cardiovascular system conditioned. It is the resistance training that's going to help you maintain bone density and muscle mass. What should the goal be? In all honesty, the goal should be the same for every age. It should be that when you walk into the doctor's office, you pass the test. And what I mean by that is when they draw your blood, right? You're fasting blood sugar. It should be a great number.

Your cholesterol, total cholesterol, LDL, HDL. We want them to be in the green zone. You know, it's like you may not be a doctor, but you get your blood work. You're like, oh, that's red. Should that be red? Red, bad, green, good. Look for green. We want green.

And then the doctor will break it down for you. But there are certain parameters that will determine, hey, this is working. And the reality is when you're exercising properly, and I can get into what that could and should look like, you're working to maintain muscle maintain and support bone density and condition your cardiovascular system when you do those three things it's going to help balance your hormones it's going to maintain that lean body mass that's going to keep you strong and vital for years to come and then do all the other cool stuff that we could go down a million rabbit holes on like mitochondrial biogenesis and all kinds of neato things.

I love the passion, Jillian, as you throw these terms out. It's so pretty. What's interesting, Jillian, is your passion for fitness just jumps off the screen. So I want to ask you something because I have to imagine someone like you must have been really frustrated during the whole COVID pandemic thing when they were shutting down gyms, not telling people the truth about how important vitamin D and getting outside was, not telling people how important it was to stay fit because comorbidities were going to increase your chance of... And I think, Jillian, that the greatest thing that we missed as a nation was if the government had told the truth about the importance of health and fitness in preventing or actually surviving COVID, I think we would have had a fitness revolution.

And we lost it. We lost that chance. Yeah. Um, there's a great guest that I recommend you guys look into. Her name is Dr. Casey means she has, in my opinion, one of the most impressive, uh, medical professionals. She, she is arguably one of the most impressive doctors out there to speak on metabolic disease. And what I mean by that is, for example, again, I am not a doctor, but I am friendly with many of these doctors, interview them often on a medical-based podcast, and read all of their books and listen to their lectures. The long and the short of it is that most people have some form of hyperinsulinemia, which is a precursor to prediabetes,

which is a precursor to full-blown type 2 diabetes. People tend to kind of sweep this under the rug and you hear a lot from medical professionals like, no big deal, just stay on the meds. It's a huge deal because what this is, what metabolic disease is, every single cell in your body is not able to get energy anymore. Your body is not able to get glucose into the cells because it no longer is recognizing insulin. Big, big, big problem. And now you have a host of things that are going to go south because every cell in your body is not going to be able to function properly. So it could manifest in vision loss, erectile dysfunction, pancreatic cancer. I mean, there's a reason there are 170 comorbidities associated with this.

She can speak to this far more intelligently and eloquently than I can. But I was listening to her give a talk the other day, and she was saying that we missed a once in a generational opportunity with COVID to inspire people about the importance of health. Yes. about the importance of health. Yes, yes. And she was going over the different mechanisms of why people who were overweight or obese were disproportionately affected by COVID with regard to either the severity of their illness, being hospitalized or dying from it. And it's very, very quantifiable, meaning it's not a question.

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they peddle the drugs as a remedy. And my favorite part is they'll tell you that Ozempic is one of the worst offenders. And what I mean by that is you have some of the top medical professionals out there in the media saying, well, you know, now this is genetic. It's like, well, hold on. You've got half of the part of the narrative is it's not dangerous at all. We're healthy at any size, which is the complete fallacy. Of course it is. at all. We're healthy at any size, which is the complete fallacy. Of course it is. There's a robust amount of data to show how deadly and dangerous obesity is. Now, let me say, we can be unhealthy at any size. Absolutely. Skinny people are not healthy people per se. But when somebody is obese, it's an indication that they've consumed too much food because they have all of that stored fat. And when we over

consume, it creates havoc in the body. So it's just an indication that there's probably disease in some part of the body there. Even if it doesn't show up as cholesterol numbers, I promise you, it could be plaque in your brain. It could be a screwed up microbiome. There are a million different biomarkers that the average internist is not checking. Anyway, I'm sorry. I digress. I got went off on a little tangent there. But the reality is that now you have medical professionals out there saying, well, hold on, you know, yeah, it's not good for you. We're willing to admit that, but it's not your fault. It's genetic. Take this drug. Now, let me just say, one of the doctors who most recently made that statement is a woman named

Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford. Really impressive credentials, by the way. I believe she's been tapped by the Biden administration to develop the next food pyramid. And here's what's a bit distressing about that, is that this woman also works for Novo Norodisk, who makes, oh, wait for it, Ozempic, and is also featured on the Ozempic website, the Novo Norodisk website page. if it was genetics, that's a hell of a quantum leap for genetics because prior to 1950, only 5% of the population was classified as obese or overweight. And then went on to make a statement that's completely false saying, now here's the part that's true. If you have two parents that are overweight, you have an 80% or greater chance of being overweight. True. But think about the factors. If the house is sedentary, if the food in the house is not necessarily healthy, right? But she went on to say,

even if they have an optimal diet, they're exercising, they're sleeping right, that's a lie. There's no data to support that. It's totally untrue. And once again, a huge amount of data to support the opposite that in fact, the money mama, exactly. So if I tell you you're a victim and there's nothing you can do about it, but I've got a drug for you. Yeah. And doesn't Ozempic like trash the internals of the body? It's has a huge impact. It might help you lose weight, but the internal damage is significant, right? Okay. If you go to the ozempic.com, you're going to read about thyroid cancer, pancreatitis, vomiting, vision issues, kidney failure. I mean, go read the side effects. But even more upsetting is that let's say you confronted me and said, well, Jillian, you've said that obesity is dangerous and I can get cancer and all those things too. Fair. And you feel helpless over it because here's the part

that's also more baloney. If we look at the mechanism by which Ozempic helps people lose weight, it regulates the appetite center in our brain and it delays gastric emptying. It helps you feel fuller for longer and it helps regulate hunger. So what is it doing? It's making you eat less. So wait a second now. I thought this woman just said calorie counting doesn't work. What does it make you do? Eat less calories. You got to really, unfortunately, I hate to say this because it's so hard for people to, it's like me trying to read a legal contract. I go to my lawyer and I'm like, to, it's like me trying to read a legal contract. I go to my lawyer and I'm like,

what does this say? Give it to me in English. I don't get it. But for most people with health, of course, they're not going to get it. And when doctors were so credentialed and respectable, tell you like, oh, it's genetic. You're, you're screwed. It's not your fault. You need this drug. Of course, you're going to believe it, which is why with things like health, that plays such a massive impact in your overall quality of your life. You've got to be so, so, so, so, so proactive, so proactive. And the results of Ozempic don't last. So they've done 68 week trials, right? And people have lost, I believe that the mean weight loss is the average is something like 15%.

I believe that the mean weight loss is the average is something like 15%. If you're 180 pound woman, that's going to be 25 pounds over 68 weeks. That's like 0.3 pounds a week. It's kind of nothing. We could do that in six months, let alone almost a year and a half with just some comments, cutting out those two chai lattes and a step goal daily. We'll get you there in a fraction of the time, by the way. But the studies also have shown us now that people have put on two-thirds of the weight they've lost within the first year alone because nothing's regulating the appetite center anymore.

So the results don't last. So even if you were saying, well, I'm willing to take the risk. For example, if you were a smoker and I'm willing to take the risk. For example, if you were a smoker and I was so desperate to get you off of smoking, I might recommend something like Chantix because success rate is 35%, which is high. Now that stuff makes people go crazy. I don't, I've not done a deep dive on it, but I can't imagine it's good for you. However, short period of time on Chantix, if we got you to quit smoking for the rest of your life, the cost benefit analysis, in my humble opinion, and I haven't done a deep dive on it would be yes, right? With Ozempic, the cost benefit analysis is just an overwhelming no, but you're absolutely right in that it's a game. These companies own the big food that gets you sick. And then they peddle the drugs

to treat your condition. And there are some amazing doctors out there that are focused on getting you better. You just got to look for them. Got to do a little homework. I have them on my podcast person. Just throwing that out there. I interview them all day long. There's great people out there. And it sounds like common sense really matters. If it sounds too good to be true, like the light, like I can think there's just genetics. I have no control over my weight. It's like, well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. My common sense would say something differently. But I want to ask you a question on the health side. So we had a doctor come on our podcast and he was, and I know you're part of PETA. So I hope. No, it's okay. Listen, I'm looking at a person that no matter what I

believe, I don't, I don't judge other people for having different. His name is Dr. Sean O'Mara. And he said, so he's, I thought he was fascinating, but he was talking about the carnivore diet, right? Um, and that's not a PETA conversation, by the way, that I don't like the carnivore diet, right? And that's not a conversation, by the way, that I don't like the carnivore diet. But the carnivore diet, and he was talking about visceral fat. And he said, like, listen, I was, he's a medical doctor. He showed us pictures when he was in the ER, soft, doughy. He was sickly. He's going to a carnivore diet. And he's like, I'm 60 years old. He looks amazing. He's like, I work out probably. He doesn't do the Jillian app for sure. He's like, I do probably 20 minutes a week. He does like

sprints and this kind of stuff. But here's what you're going to want to do. You're going to want to interview three different people that I strongly recommend. Dr. Peter Atia from Stanford, Dr. David Sinclair from Harvard, and Dr. William Lee, also from Harvard, and maybe Dan Buechner, who wrote The Blue Zones. So you've got, again, I'm going to butcher this, which is why I'm going to refer you to their work so they can explain the mechanisms and the science of this far more intelligently and eloquently than I can. But I talk to these doctors all day long. I can, but I talked to these doctors all day long. It doesn't get more respected than the three guys I just mentioned. Okay. These are longevity guys. Um, although I believe Dr. Atziah also did his like post-grad work in immunotherapy, Dr. Lee's an angiogenesis guy,

uh, but cured his 80 year old mother of cancer with food and wrote a book called Eat to Beat Disease. It was a massive bestseller. Dr. Sinclair is a Harvard geneticist, one of the top longevity doctors in the space. Food, okay, you have different metabolic pathways in the body that do different things. To make a really, really long and complicated story as short as possible, diets with excessive amounts of protein are not associated with longevity. So you're going to feel good because you have all this amino acids coursing through your body and we're build, build, build. And you're telling those pathways, build like crazy, build muscle, build bone, go nuts. But too many amino acids and too much protein is denying the body the ability to break down

dead and senescent tissues and cells. And there are a million other mechanisms as to why too much protein is not ideal for a longer and healthier life. And I would also argue, and if you look at a book like The Blue Zones, right? This took years to write. Dan Buettner looked at studies that have all over the globe that went on for decades. And what do these blue zone cultures have in common? What allows these individuals to live to be over a hundred years old with an excellent quality of life? One of the common factors that their diet is 65% complex carbohydrates. I could get into how bad it is for your microbiome to eat constant crazy amounts of protein, how much oxidative stress it could create. But the reality is that we know for a fact

it's counterintuitive to longevity. There's no research to back that up. So while you may be feeling great and feeling strong, living longer is not going to happen. In fact, it's going to slow down. It's going to decrease the length of your life. And I would also say, I would argue I'm as healthy as the guy you just mentioned. I bet my blood work is better. I bet I'm probably as lean, if not leaner, considering that I am a woman, obviously. So I'm going to have a slightly higher percentage of body fat, but I bet I could go toe to toe with that guy in any competition all day long and kick his ass. And what does Jillian Michaels eat?

But what does Jillian Michaels eat? What does carnivore diet? Jillian Michaels uses common sense and eats whole foods. I eat protein, but not an excessive amount. And we don't know exactly, right, like how much is too much and how much is not enough. We have an idea of obviously what's not enough, what the bare minimum is, and it's a small number. But how much is too much, we're not

totally sure. But the thing is, if you have a calorie allowance to begin with, which we should all have, because we do know for a fact that eating copious amounts of food will shorten lifespan. There's many clinical trials that will show animals in particular who've had their calories reduced by 30% will live 30% longer. And again, these doctors can all speak to why, how, what's going on, but it's a fact, period. So if you're not overeating, right, and I'm having 1800 calories a day, all those 1800 calories, roughly a third of it's animal protein. And then most of it, the rest is third complex carbohydrates. And a third is going to be polyunsaturated, monounsaturated fats, in large part, a little bit of saturated fat.

But talk to me. People are listening to this. By the way, I want to take this. Before we go, I have to get macro with you in a second. Yeah. But tell me what you have for breakfast, lunch, dinner, average. Is it like whole foods? Fruits, vegetables, meat? Yeah, what is it?

What is it? Tell me what you have. It's all whole foods. Sure. Okay, I skip breakfast now. Why, Julie? Because I want not to lose weight. So I wish I could sit here and talk to you about intermittent fasting.

There's a difference between intermittent fasting and time-restricted eating. I do time-restricted eating. Intermittent fasting also incorporates not just a time window that you restrict your eating to, but a calorie restriction as well. I'm not trying to lose weight. I eat what I burn in a day. So I skip my breakfast because I want a longer window without food, in particular protein and carbohydrates, because I want those metabolic pathways we discussed previously, in particular

one called mTOR, to break down dead and senescent, what are called by David Sinclair, zombie cells. So these guys, they've gone rogue, right? We're supposed to blast them and get them out of there. And when they go rogue, they release inflammatory proteins. They recruit other cells to go rogue. It's a bad deal. We want them gone, which is why so much protein is going to slow that down, by the way. So I don't eat until noon. When it's noon, I sometimes choose breakfast and I sometimes choose lunch. It just depends on my mood. If it's breakfast, it could be some whole grain toast with some wild caught salmon lox and some organic cream cheese. It could be a yogurt bowl with organic Greek yogurt,

tons of superfoods like super seed powder, cocoa nibs, walnuts, almonds, fresh organic berries. It could be an overnight oats bowl with all the same stuff, the super seeds, the nuts, the fruit and so on. It could be, eggs are great for you. They are great for you. They're loaded with choline, some organic free range eggs with some whole grain toast. I am a supplement lunatic. All transparency, I invested in a supplement company that I fell in love with called Alaya Naturals. I personally take a lot of stuff. I recommend people consider omega-3s. I switch between fish oil and krill oil, but it has to be really high quality fish oil. I take a pre and probiotic product called a

symbiotic made from human resident strains of bacteria, which is again, a whole separate rabbit hole, but that's what I take. I take a collagen multi-peptide product with MSM, glucosamine, chondroitin. So that goes in my coffee when I start to eat, when I have my first meal in the morning. Vitamin D with K2, D3 and K2, I take 5,000 milligrams in the morning because that's when your body's supposed to make its vitamin D, that morning sunlight kick. So that's kind of what breakfast looks like is I'll do the D3, the symbiotic with all that fiber. So I'm feeding those good bugs all that fiber. So they really thrive. I'll hit the fish oils. Then for lunch yesterday, I ended up ordering a salad from a place here called Sweet Green. And it had chicken, apples, pecans, some blue cheese, a hard boiled egg, red cabbage,

bunch of leafy greens, vinaigrette on the side. And then all my afternoon supplements, which is like my greens powder, my turmeric. That part, I'm not relatable when it comes to the supplements. I admit it. But I do think people should have that. I think people are onto this. I think people like this stuff and it's catching on. They should definitely have a handful of go-tos that they take regularly.

Fish oil, D, collagen, I think is it just a greens powder? Because a greens powder also functions with multiple benefits. It's like you've got the antioxidants, you've got the superfoods, the vitamins, the minerals, there's pre and probiotics in it. So that's a strong recommendation. There's a brand out there that charges like $90. It's absolutely insane. And it's, Alaya's product is half the price. And in my opinion, twice as good and all organic. So do your own homework on it. Go crazy with it. It's called Alaya. Alaya. Alaya Naturals.

It was started by a mommy of two with an autoimmune condition. She had two kids in two years and her health was just in the toilet. And she went on a mission with some of the world's top registered dietitians and PhDs to heal her body with superfoods. And I just loved the product and then ended up meeting her and saying, like, I think your brand story is incredible. I think your product is incredible. And my company ended up investing in her company. So, oh, I'm invested in that company. Do your own homework and buy, you know, do your own work on supplements. I'm not going to try to sell you the company I'm

invested in. That's what I do. That's what I take. Tell us what dinner looks like. So there's that first meal. There'll be a snack in between that because I eat within an eight hour window. So my snacks like protein, fat, carbs, could be an apple with organic peanut butter. I don't, the anti-nutrient conversation of like lectins, goitrogens is baloney. Talk to Dr. Lee about that. It's just complete nonsense. Don't even, the food is cooked. It's like, it just, I, again, another rabbit hole. Don't worry about that stuff. It's nonsense. It's not true. Um, so something, it could also be like a hard boiled egg with a piece of fruit. Usually it's protein, fat, and carbs. So some nuts, some fruit, a little bit of yogurt. I could, whatever I didn't have for breakfast, I'll

usually have for lunch. It could be a smoothie, something like that with greens powder in it. And then for dinner last night, I actually had, I really wanted to try this. So this is going to sound so snooty and I don't mean it to, it's the first time we've had this, but caviar is great for you because it's loaded with omega-3s. I love caviar. So I made my wife, who's an excellent chef, air fry me potato skins from organic potatoes. And then we put organic Greek yogurt on top and then organic eggs that were chopped up on top and caviar. And I had that for dinner with a side of broccoli for the sulforaphane. I have some mustard seed on top of it. So that's what I ended up having for dinner last night.

And it runs the gamut. But as you see, I've got protein, fat, and carbs in every meal. I don't overeat. I restrict my eating window. I stop eating a couple hours before bed. And I don't eat until noon. And I would say, listen, you don't have to get to noon. Do a 12-hour window.

That'll work. And just use common sense with your food. It'll make a big, big difference. Have a step goal. Start with 5,000, shoot to 10, get a standup desk and a little treadmill thing that you can walk on while you work. I have one downstairs. I have one at the kitchen counter because I'm too lazy to buy another desk because I have this desk for interviews. I work at the kitchen counter all day long. So I'm up here standing and I have a little teeny foot treadmill and I just kind of slowly cruise along till I hit 10,000 steps every single day. It's way better than

sitting. Little things like that are going to make a massive difference. You don't need the 20 supplements. You don't have to do the crazy HIIT workouts. I would love all of that, but just these little changes will make a big difference, right? You don't need the 16-hour fast window. A 12-hour window will help. These little things will go a long way. Stay active. Keep moving. Yeah.

Or have nine kids. You have to chase a lot of people around when you have nine. We'll have more of this conversation after this. The all-new FanDuel Sportsbook and Casino is bringing you more action than ever. Want more ways to follow your faves?

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is that you tell the truth and it hasn't been easy. A lot of people have attacked you for it. You know, when we started doing your workout and were introduced to you years ago, it was sort of common sense that everyone wanted to be fit and healthy and something culturally has shifted this body positive movement. And I think it's made it harder. I mean, here we have this country that is just reeling from disease and obesity. And yet we have this cultural movement trying to embrace their wrapping and body positivity. But I feel like, I don't know, I feel like it's celebrating. Unhealthiness. And again, I think it takes, if you haven't noticed, we're big fans, Jillian, again, just because we spend a lot of time with you.

You don't know that. You haven't spent time with us, but we spend time with you. again, just because we spend a lot of time with you. You don't know that you even spend time with us, but we spend time with you. But it's for people who are trusted to go, you know what? That isn't the healthiest way to live. That's not going to give you longevity. That's not going to give you a lifestyle that's allowing you to move and do things and live your full potential. And so we're grateful that you've kind of spoken up to go, you know what, there, everyone has issues in their life, but we should all aspire to be healthier, eat better, lose weight, move our bodies, and you'll live longer and be happier. And you have been one who has spoken out on that. You've got to ask yourself who is profiteering at

your detriment. And when they sell you that message that you're helpless, but it's okay because it's perfect that way, or you're helpless, but we got a drug for you. And that message gets into the zeitgeist, right? And they're exploiting people's vulnerability and they take their power away by saying, it's not your fault. Nothing's ever your fault. But fault is a dirty word, right? It's not that it's your fault. Nothing's ever your fault. Fault is a dirty word, right? It's not that it's your fault. It's within your control. When we take victimhood away from somebody, we empower them to recognize it is their choice. They can change whatever they want, whenever they want to. So you really got to look at where's the messaging coming from?

really got to look at where's the messaging coming from, who's profiting from it at your detriment and use your, use your common sense to be empowered and take control of your life. So you can lead the best quality of life you choose to whatever that may look like. Yeah. I mean, they say you're so, they try and tell you what they're telling young people. And that's what really worries me is, um, me is what this message is for young people. And it's saying, you know, just be happy, you know. And by the way, you talked about diabetes. It used to be called adult onset diabetes. It's now it's it's plaguing childhood.

I mean, kids are coming out with diabetes that a generation ago never had diabetes, and yet we're telling them to be happy. I love what you said. You said part of loving ourselves is being honest about our health. They're actually not necessarily telling kids that anymore because that very same doctor that I mentioned earlier, who's on the Novo Neurodisc website, and oh, it's all genetic, is also, I believe, a member of the board of American Pediatric Association. Is it the APA? Now, the APA, the American Pediatric Association, has for the first time in history incorporated, they're called anti-obesity drugs. So we are anti-obesity when it serves us, right? Anti-obesity drugs and surgery for children 12 and up.

Yeah. She's a barometer. What do they call the people who stay for your stomach? She's one of those surgeons. Is she a bariatric surgeon? Yeah. she's a bariatric surgeon. And she's been tapped by the Biden administration to, you know, sort of lead our health and our nutrition. And by the way, our food pyramid, we did a thing on this on Fox and Friends, Sean, where they. Lucky Charms was. Lucky Charms was rated better for you than a steak, you know, than something natural. Yeah. Yeah, than something natural. Yeah. Yeah. It is insanity. And that's again, where it just, if I could give one piece of health advice, it would be common sense. The second one would be consistency. And if you could follow those

two principles, it's going to work out. Okay. Jillian, we're going to go in one second. You've been generous with your time, but you have the iTouch wearable. Is that out yet or is it coming out? Gosh, it's not out yet. I believe it's May and it's driving me crazy because everybody keeps asking me about it. It sucks. So one of our brand,

our brand, either it's one of our goals or principles as a company, and I say ours, I have a business partner and a team of coworkers that kill themselves to do a great job for me and everybody else. So I say us because it is a team effort. We want to provide people with solutions that are accessible and cost effective and listen i i think some of the smart watches and devices that are out there are really neat but they're 700 bucks i think now at least that was the last time i checked and that was a few years ago because i had to buy one for a walk challenge i did for the UNHCR. And I was like 700 bucks. I read, I read, I was like, Hey guys, if I, if I promote your thing on social, can I have a free thingy?

Like 700 bucks. Like that, that makes me kind of like my eyes roll back in my head. So, you know, when I discovered iTouch, it's 120 bucks, I think. And it has all the same functionality. I don't, it's not to bash any company, so I won't name names, but Chris Rock just did the funniest thing on Netflix about yoga pants. Yeah, I saw that. a hundred dollar yoga pants? Like, what?

You know, you know what those cost to make? Five bucks. Right? And it's like, well, we're anti-racist. That was his joke. They said, we're anti-racism. He's like, I'll take the racist yoga pants for five dollars. So my point is like,

this is all marketing BS. right? It's cool. So we market up 700%, a thousand percent. Um, and I, I was like, I want to check and see if this device does what it says it does. So I ordered one and I used it and I was like, this is awesome. And it's a fraction of the price and it has all the functionality and it works with Android and it works with Apple. So why not? So my business partner reached out to iTouch and he's like, look, Jill's a huge fan. What can we do together? So I created an entire collection, but it's not coming out until May.

So it's really neat. It does all the things. I was trying to find it and I'm like, I can't even pull it. So I was curious like i was trying to find it and i'm like i can't even pull it so i was curious because i was trying to find it what does it do i'm still confused everything everything pedometer calorie track everything a smart watch does every every functionality tracks sleep tracks tracks everything um everything everything is smart a smart watch does this does it. It works with both devices. It syncs up with my workout programs. It comes with a three-month subscription to the app,

actually. Pretty much everything. Everything you would buy the $700 device for at $120. Wait, hold on. If I buy the watch when it comes out in May, because it's not out yet, I get three months. It is my version. You get three months to the app as well. Yeah. Exactly. I get three. It is my, my version. You get three months to the app as well. Yeah, exactly. Cause I got a good, cause again,

we got to get, I'm going to, I was pulling up the app as well. So I'm going to check that out. Um, and, and have Jillian train us again. Yeah.

I think I'm back, Jillian. I'm back. Okay. I'll send you a subscription. I'll make sure you guys have a subscription and all those DVDs for the, for my like diehards that love those DVDs. The whole library is in there.

Everything, everything from the first one to the last one, you can just stream it right to the TV, any place, anywhere, anytime. So not only have we bought your DVDs, but then I was like,

what happened to the DVDs? Then I downloaded that. I gave you more money on iTunes. I downloaded them there. So we've been helping you fund that $700. Let me send this. I'm going to get that you guys complimentary subscriptions. No problem. They're all in there. So don't buy anything else. All right. Okay.

Listen, Jillian, you're an inspiration. I think, you know, someone who speaks the truth about wellness and fitness and all on health. And again, Rachel is in the best shape of her life. He's like, get back into the best shape of your life. I love you. Yell at people a little bit. I know you do a little harsh and I'm like, I like it. Yell at me, get it going. And then you yell at your co-workers. The other people working out with you. Yeah. You're super motivational. You don't sugarcoat it. You tell the truth. I love that you're on the forefront of this. I think all of us are, maybe all of us later than you, but all of us are starting to have this epiphany

about the connection between big pharma, big food, and big government. And all of them are working together to make us unhealthy. And it's people like you and others who are telling the truth. And I think it could be revolutionary. And we're just so honored to have you on the program talking about that. The name of your podcast, by the way, is, I know it's real. Tell me about it again. Keeping it real. The idea behind that show is once again, to take, I will vet these doctors for you, right? So the one that tells you to take Ozempic is not on the show. And the one

that tells you what to do, live your best life is on the show. And I have the best medical professionals and PhDs to help people with everything from back pain to heart health, to longevity, to menopause, to gut health. All of them across the board are all guests on the show. And it's called keeping it real conversations with jillian michaels keeping it real with jillian michaels well you've kept it real with us and we really appreciate that thanks for all you're doing to tell the truth about health and fitness and diet and we're just so honored to have you on the show thank you i've had a blast i really appreciate it it. Of course. Thank you, Jillian. Thanks, Jillian. Okay, so that was fun.

Listen, I think- I know you love her. Listen, I mean, she's talking about this stuff and she's like so passionate. And again, I think you mentioned it well, it's big pharma, big food and big government conspiring to make us sicker. And again, some common sense people who, she gets the culture, she gets how to bring to the masses, these, these concepts and ideas, and has been very successful at it. You need voices like that to push back and go, you know what, hold on a second, your common sense, what your grandmother would tell you was probably right on health. And she's, um, she's an inspiration. You know, it's interesting because you and I've been debating the carnivore diet versus the, um, you know, sort of other ways of eating. And while I can see a lot of the benefits of it, I grew up on

the Mediterranean diet just cause you know, my mom, my mom is from Spain. And so it just sort of was a really well, I think a really well balanced and I've added more protein to my diet since Dr. Chalamet. I think he's an amazing guy. I think it's working for him. I'm curious about what she says about the longevity part of it. Is it truly, you know, are there enough long-term studies of this carnivore diet to say that it does, you know, increase longevity? Omara looks amazing. My gut instinct, my common sense has told me to increase my more, eat more protein than I was eating, but I'm still sort of trying to find that balance between, you know, healthy carbs, whole foods. Just, I think the biggest thing we can all do and,

and everything that, that all the studies have shown is just get rid of all the processed food in your diet. Just start eating whole real foods. I thought it was interesting when she was talking about her app about all you can put in all, and I meant to ask her this, but you can put in all the things you want to accomplish, what equipment you have, and she'll develop a workout for you. But I was curious, does she make it dummy proof? If you want to do something that she's like, no, no, no, no, you don't. You're not going to be successful going this route and maybe she redirects you i meant to ask her that i gotta just tell you i've again i was truthful when i talked about doing jillian oh i know i know jim um but i started doing the dan bongino and the dan bongino the dan bongino strength training workout this is

dan's personal workout and sean's been doing it and it's been working out for him too. I am going to try the app because I think I did have a lot of success with her workouts. I love doing Peloton. I'm still going to do that, but I'm going to maybe do less and add this and see what happens. And maybe we can do like a, you know, in four to six months kind of regroup and kind of go back over our results, like what, what, what the changes were. But she, if you look at her, I've seen recent pictures of Jillian. She looks as amazing right now as she did, um, you know, 15 years ago when I was doing a workout, I can't say the same for myself, but you know what? I will, I'm motivated. Well, you had like four kids since that time, I think. I have, but as she says,

no excuse. Um, there is no excuse. I know why I'm not in the shape I am. And the reason is, and I tried to allude to this, she kind of skirted around it cause I really wanted that Jillian Michaels answer. My problem is I need to get up earlier. I need to do it before the family works out so that I have no excuse, no dishwashers to fill that make me distracted, no emails to return. My problem is I need to do it before the family wakes up. And it's literally a matter of discipline. Here's the difference. I make it a priority.

Like, I'll drop whatever's going on and make sure I go work out. Yeah, I can't do that. And I know I have a set time that I can do it. I know if I don't, if I don't do it by this time, I'm not going to do it all day. And Rachel will do a whole bunch of things and let her time pass that she has to work out. Let's just say this operation here, I run this operation. And so as the CEO of this house, it it's, I don't have the luxury that Sean has of saying, I'm just going to do my workout no matter what. I really need to have more discipline and it's something I need to pray about. I need to get more discipline to get up earlier because as she said, this is about your health and your fitness.

It has a lot to do with you guys. If I feel healthy and fit, I'm going to be a better mom, better spouse. I'm going to live longer. I'm going to see those grandkids. It's going to be better for all of us. Can I bring it back to a theme that we talk about a lot? This is freedom, right? When you do have these big power centers pushing really bad ideas on you, and again, we're talking about food, but this is happening. I did a segment with Monica Crowley talking about digitizing our currency, right? There's a whole bunch of places where they're pushing bad, our school system is pushing

I think communism on our kids. It's happening all over and this is part of I think America taking back their freedom whether it's you know with their currencies or other schools, raising their kids, but also with their own health. Personal responsibility, that's really a bedrock of the American dream. It is and this is a theme that's consistent with the other themes that we've had on the show is personal responsibility and freedom and taking responsibility again for your family, for your kids, for their education and for your health. I loved that she brought up that doctor, the doctor who the Biden administration, think of all the doctors in America that the Biden administration could have picked to be the arbiter of health and wellness in America. And they picked a woman who is bought and paid for by big pharma,

giving bad advice, recommending obesity pills for kids instead of great nutrition and more exercise somebody who says that lucky her food pyramid says that lucky charms uh processed foods are somehow you know higher on the on the you know better for you than a steak or eggs. This alone should tell you where big government is. And they're very corrupt. I say evil relationship with big pharma and big food. And this is, I think, the sleeper issue of our next election. I think all of us need to be on board with getting politicians who will, I think, disrupt this collusion. Talk about collusion. This is a collusion. Well, if you love America, you have to love her children. And to love her children, you have to make sure the children are healthy in body, but also in mind. And you see policies

coming from government that are polluting their minds with really horrible ideas, communistic ideas, and polluting their bodies with really bad advice on what they should be eating. And again, we're smarter than that. And again, save America, save your family. You save your family's health, education, making sure you're raising good kids. This country has a bright future. But if we don't, I think we're in trouble because they're out to destroy us. I know. I totally agree. Well, on that note, they're out to destroy us. That's my take. I know. I totally agree. Well, on that note, they're out to destroy us. Yes, this is a happy note today. Listen, thank you for joining us at the kitchen table.

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