From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Leaked Golf Cart Video Helps Trump & The Lingering Pain of Divorce On Kids

Episode Date: July 6, 2024

While the rest of the country celebrates the 4th of July weekend, Democrats are still in panic mode about the future of President Biden's campaign. Meanwhile, former President Trump is staying true to his brand, standing strong in the summer months of the election year. So how can President Trump keep the momentum going ahead of the fall?   Sean and Rachel share their thoughts on who President Trump should select as his running mate, as well as how he can restore strength to the White House if re-elected. Later, they react to an article highlighting the hidden impact divorce has on children and discuss the necessity of keeping families together. Follow Sean & Rachel on X: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everybody, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast. She's also my partner in life. I also like to call her my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Hey Sean. Today we were up in Wisconsin. We're staying at our cabin with like all our kids, all our nieces and nephews. I think there's like how many kids?

There's like 22 people in this. Listen, this is small. This is not a big place. Yeah, it's a small cabin. But Sean and I find ways to sneak away and get some alone time. Like on the dock, we have a couple chairs and we just were sitting out there having coffee. And I just said, it never gets old having coffee with you. It never gets old. And then we said, Oh, we're going to do a podcast. And then we looked inside the cabin and they can, this is 20 by 20. It's a small cabin on the lake. We have a separate bunk

house, but then they all come to our cabin. That's where the kitchen's at. And so we looked inside and all the kids were in there making breakfast for themselves. And so then we said, well, we can't kick them all out. Although we wanted to do the podcast, but we just couldn't. So we are not actually from the kitchen table. We are from the Walmart parking lot. Like, let's go to the Walmart parking lot. We'll do the podcast from there. You have a coffee cup and we're sitting in our car and we're doing the kitchen table

because our home has been taken over by all of our kids and all of our nieces and nephews and they're having a ball in there it's kind of like locusts they all they've swarmed the cabin kicked us out yeah well today is our q a day which i love um we've had some good we've got some great topics today yeah we have some interesting interesting comments questions videos that have come our way. Everything ranging from the campaign, Trump's leaked video, all the way to a fascinating article that has gone absolutely viral about divorce and the lies told about the effects of divorce. And so we thought it was fascinating, not just the article, but just how viral it went. I think it's really touching a nerve. So let's start first with this leaked video, Sean, because Donald Trump was golfing at Bedminster in New Jersey, his club.

And which, by the way, New Jersey is taking his liquor license away there because they say he's a felon. So this is economic warfare now. It was lawfare. Now they move to economic warfare. It won't stop. They won't stop attacking this man. They'll use every tool in their tool belt to economic warfare. It just won't stop. They won't stop attacking this man. They'll use every tool in their tool belt to attack him because they don't like his politics.

This is so new in America. Oh, my God. This is so commie. I had an exchange with Dan Bongino about it, and I just said, commie, this is commie stuff, where you can't even operate your business because you have run afoul of the regime. And so that's where we're at. But listen, the guy's mood is is fine. So he despite all the stuff that's happening to him, which I mean, let's face it, he's probably in a good mood with all the self-destruction and emulation of the of the Democrat Party this week with the debate and all their fancy plans just falling apart as Joe Biden falls apart. Well, also the Supreme Court decision saying that obviously there's presidential immunity.

There's the courts have immunity. The Congress has immunity. Of course, the president has immunity, too, if he's acting in his official capacity. Correct. Which, again, the left has lost their mind over that. So you're right. He's had a really good week. He's had a good week, and he's not letting any of the other stuff

distract. He never does. He's just super human. I've never seen anything like it. He's golfing. He's in his golf cart, and some little caddy secretly films it, which is a huge problem, by the way. Here's how the exchange goes. He's talking to some golfer, and the caddy

is secretly filming him. He's talking about the golfer And the caddy is secretly Filming him And he's talking about the Listen here it is You gave me so much How did I do with the debate the other night Make it get all broken down Pile of crap

He just quit you know he's quitting the race Is that right And that means we have Kamala I think she's going to be better She's so bad She's so pathetic It's just so f***ing bad I just can't imagine

Can you imagine that guy dealing with Putin And the president of China Who's a fierce person He's a fierce man A very tough guy And they see him They just announce he's probably quitting so he calls joe biden a broken down pile of and so when this was sent to me yesterday because

i've been trying to stay off of social media because we're up at the cabin my sister sent me this and i opened it and it was candace owens had retweeted that leaked video and her social media her ex post says how could a leaked video be this magnificent and altogether good for his brand which sean we listened to it we laughed and then we said that is 100 the same guy you saw come down the escalator he just has not changed and that authenticity is i mean it's just what's it's it's why he's still standing they can't ever get him because trump is who trump is they can't catch him in a lie because he never lies so he's he the same guy that you see on on the debate stage, on the rally stage, on the golf course, in a private conversation, doing his press conferences out outside of the courtroom for the for the political persecution.

He is who he is. And so he doesn't he doesn't have one. But we talk about this a lot. He went to the Bronx and he was the same trump at the bronx with a minority community he gave the same message he does not pander and and change the message because now i'm in front of latinos and i'm going to say cc podway and you guys are breakfast burritos that's the biden that doesn't bend no he doesn't bend anything or anybody minorities was as tough on on illegal immigration as it is when he goes to the little towns in wisconsin that have been decimated by you know illegal

immigration and and china and everything else it's the same message the same donald j trump and um what i love is that and this is where the left loses their mind. They're like, so he's throwing the F-bomb in this leaked video. How could the religious right, you know, the evangelicals like Donald Trump, do you see the profanity? Did you see the stories about Stormy Daniels? How could they love him? And their answer is very simple. He may not be one of them. He's not an evangelical Christian. He hasn't led his life like an evangelical Christian,

but he has fought for evangelicals, for people of faith, for people who are believers. He's fought for them like nobody else has ever fought for them. George W. Bush, he was an evangelical himself. Donald Trump's done more for that community and people of faith than George H.W. Bush ever did. So they don't mind his personal life. They love what he's doing on policy to protect their freedom to practice their faith the way they see fit. So, again, the left, to your point, Rachel, always thinks they're going to get him. You always say he's the roadrunner. Yeah, he is the roadrunner.

Beep, beep. Every trap they set for him, somehow he escapes. And even moments like this, which are supposed to be these, you know, oh, my God, he got caught on it, you know, on this, you know, secret recording just turns into gold for him. You know, go online. Everyone's having the same reaction we're having, which is, you know. Yep, that's Donald Trump. That's Donald Trump.

That's why we like him. And again, also wrapped into it, Sean, is another piece of gold. His fundamental understanding of who our enemies are. You know, he said that she is a formidable, formidable, fierce, fierce leader. He's right. Donald Trump understands that somebody as weak as Joe Biden is dangerous for our country. And I think people are going to get all kinds of messages after. Yeah.

Some, you know, wokies who would never lefties who would never vote for Donald Trump are going to say, oh, he just said that she's so effing bad about a black, you know, BIPOC woman. and go, yeah, I'll take, as he said, I'll take Donald Trump, who's, as you said, truly authentic over that broken down pile of you know what. So here's the way I see it. It's one of two ways. And we talked about Putin and Xi in this video that Trump was talking about. in this video that Trump was talking about. So if the public version of Joe Biden is who he is, what we saw on the debate stage, he's incompetent, right? He's not with it. And so that also projects weakness on the world stage because they're like, who is the American leader?

This is their guy. He can't, I mean, he can't put a couple sentences together, let alone address some bad behavior coming from us in China or us in Russia. That's one side. But then if the other side is no, Joe Biden's really sharp behind closed doors. He's with it. You know, he's he's the sharpest guy in the room. It doesn't matter because the perception, the perceived weakness also begets bad behavior by, you know, some of our worst enemies. And so Joe Biden doesn't win. And Donald Trump is right. The perception or the real weakness doesn't make the world more stable. It makes it far more dangerous than what we've seen ever in our lifetimes.

Remember, Sean, that when when Donald Trump was elected, everyone said it's going to be World War Three. By the way, we're we're never been closer to World War Three than under Joe Biden. But yeah, the idea was World War Three with Joe with Donald Trump, because Donald Trump is so unpredictable. And it turns out that that unpredictability, the idea that world leaders weren't sure what he was going to do is what made them behave. And so he was a peacetime president. And right now, Sean, sean telling you i can't there's so many women i talked to who are worried about just a war triggering um you know a world war three triggering event because joe biden's obviously not in control it appears as if scary i was thinking brock obama was running the entire show i'm actually more scared at the idea that jill biden you know america's

you know jill and hunter jill and hunter um america's favorite addict and america's favorite um you know community college teacher doctor dr dr biden are running the show along with um you know barack obama and valerie jared and whoever else is at the at the dc mansion that or the whole slew. mansion that Obama's a hat. Or the whole slew of freaks he's hired into his administration. But so many women, Sean, are saying this is the biggest concern. Why?

Of course. They have sons just like we do. We have two sons who are of draftable age. And we are like, first of all, I would send my kids to war if I thought it was for our country or for some existential threat to our country. to war if I thought it was for our country or for some existential threat to our country. I am not interested in sending my boys to war for Ukraine or for a war that we provoked with Russia and for a war that the Clinton Foundation and everybody else is making money off. It is a huge issue. Security. Remember the security moms during the bush years there are security moms right now and they are so mad that as donald trump said there is a broken down pile of you know what

running the show with our boys lives on the line they make money and you send your boys to war and die so they can you know what that's been going on for generations sean's i mean nothing makes me madder than the fact that i was so naive to what was going on this generations, Sean. Nothing makes me matter than the fact that I was so naive to what was going on, this war machine, this military industrial complex, where everyone around D.C. makes money while our boys go to war. Hales, no. And I say that, by the way, as the daughter and sister of boys who did enlist in the military. My father did serve during the Vietnam War. And he came exactly from the class of people who are those who enlist and do that for our country

on a scale that rich kids don't. We have another great topic I want to get to, but I just want to make one last point on this. Democrats are losing their minds after the debate. The media is kind of like in spin stir mode right now because we all were seen on Fox on, on, on the bottom line,

we've been covering this for a, for a year and a half, but this demise, we were watching it and the Democrat party, they didn't want to see it. And the media didn't want to cover it. And all of a sudden when the debate happens and it's exposed, the band is ripped off and the wound is there for everyone to see. Now they're like, oh, crap,

what do we do? The problem is you should have seen like we saw two years ago, three years ago, that Joe Biden is a one-term president. You should have reported it. You should have pushed him into saying, you know what, we want to have other candidates come in. We want to have a raucous debate. And maybe, Joe, two years ago, we're going to start the process of pushing you out. Because they didn't do that, they're in a situation now where they have to run with Joe Biden. I've heard someone say this, and I don't necessarily agree with this, but I thought it was interesting. Someone made this point.

Joe Biden says he is the only one who can beat Donald Trump. I heard someone say, well, Joe Biden is the only one that Donald Trump can beat. You know, I don't believe I don't necessarily believe that. But there's there's two there's two sides of this coin. And again, I think in the end, Democrats are going to on November, the day after the election in November, November, the day after the election in November, they're going to have complete meetings and reworks and analysis on how they made this massive mistake of letting this decrepit old senile man. I think you're giving these people a lot more credit of like, oh, we thought we could.

Listen, this the people behind the curtain, the Wizard of Ozz is you know the obamas the valerie jarrett's the axelrods um all of these people the nancy pelosi and chuck schumer all of these people knew but they got away with russia collusion sean there was no consequence to it they have been using and weaponizing the state the legal system and controlling like little puppet masters but and and so of course they thought they could do this i mean they controlled don uh joe biden's you know campaign from the basement they got their 51 spies that lied to do the letter they they controlled the fbi you know pretending like it was russian disinformation when we know the laptop was real, but more importantly,

everything on the laptop was real. What they did to Rudy Giuliani, I want to just take a second. What they did to America's mayor, you know, he's the first one to come out and say there is corruption in Ukraine between the Biden family. And for that, they besmirched him. They bankrupted him. They have actually, Sean, removed him. Now the liberals remove him from the story of 9-11 when they do little documentaries about it, as if he wasn't the only shining star during 9-11. What was done? And now they're disbarring him. So these people have been able to control everything so of course they thought they could they could take this to this ridiculous level but then something happened he you know as i said i've been saying this on fox meds wheels are coming off this bus

wheels are coming off this bus and it happened during that debate and so here we are they're scrambling um and we'll see what happens now one of one of the things that donald trump is going to have to deal with sean and very soon in the next in the next week really is who is going to be his vice president and that's going to be announced at the convention in milwaukee you and i will both be there i'll be doing stuff for fox and friends you're going to be there for the bottom line we're also going to be doing a from the kitchen podcast from live from milwaukee we'll go from walmart to milwaukee at the convention it's gonna be great maybe we'll

just travel to the parking lot we're a road it's a road show here yeah it's a road show um so sean i'm still standing by that i think the best candidate is vivek ram swami i think vivek ram swami represents the future of the party i think he is the best articulate and explainer of donald trump i think donald trump is a great communicator but he has a certain style um and sometimes it gets him in a little bit of trouble and i think that vivek ramaswamy that the job of a vice president is to basically explain and clear up those problems at this point. And I think he's the best one to, he explains America first, almost better than Donald Trump. He's a pit bull for you, right?

So the media is, the media and Democrats are going to come even harder at Donald Trump than they did in 2017. Of course. And Vivek, really smart and a really great communicator will fight back and push back and they'll have a double force. It's Donald Trump and Vivek fighting really smart and a really great communicator, will fight back and push back. And they'll have a double force. It's Donald Trump and Vivek fighting these leftists.

Donald Trump's not going to do it. Again, Donald Trump is Donald Trump. And we said this at the start of the podcast. And he likes to be the shining star. He's an alpha male. He has to be on top. And I think that, you know, Vivek is almost too good. Right.

So he's not going to. I don't think he's going to take Vivek. Right. So he'd also get millennials. I think he's right. No, I mean, I think there's so many reasons for all the Vivek has done on woke capitalism. I mean, it has been fantastic. When all the all the establishment types, I'm sorry, like Marco Rubio, who we like in a lot of ways, but Marco Rubio was one of those anti-TikTok.

But I think that Vivek is the best choice. You know, TikTok's bad, but I'm more worried about Instagram. I'm more worried about Facebook, you know, censoring Americans. And so, so far, X is the most free censorship speaking. And then it's TikTok. So, you know, that's my thought on that. So I don't disagree with you. I think Vivek would be fantastic. But I don't think Donald Trump is going to go with Vivek.

So if not Vivek, who do you think? I've laid this out who I think is going to be the best for Donald Trump. I'm sorry, I'll take that back. Not who is the best. I'm going to give you who I think is in Donald Trump's consideration mode. And I think it's three. It's Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, or Doug Burgum. And I say that, but I think Donald Trump, he said publicly

he knows who the candidate is. By the way, all three of those candidates have said negative things about all three of those potential candidates for VP have said negative things about Donald Trump. So Donald Trump doesn't like that people. Everybody has. Listen, I know. Well, I've never said anything negative about it, but but but let me say this. So what I'm saying is I say that as in it cancels everything out. Well, I've never said anything negative about it. But let me say this. So what I'm saying is I say that as in it cancels everything out, right? So he can't say, I'm going to choose J.D.

because he's never said anything bad about Donald Trump. No, J.D. has said stuff about Donald Trump. So has Marco Rubio. And so has Kirkham. You know who everyone's pushing? I just saw the Wall Street Journal. Everyone, I think the never Trumpers, the elites and the donor class are pushing Burgum. They like him.

They think he's sort of like an alternative to Nikki Haley because Donald Trump's never going to pick Nikki Haley. But he satisfies the sort of corporate business side of things that hates the culture wars and just wants to keep sort of the trains running. That's the neocons can handle Burgum. So I think that the establishment, the power side of the party is picking Burgum. So I think you're right. And I want you to, in a second, tell me. I'm going to tell you my concerns about Burgum. And I want to hear those concerns.

I'm just going to be really honest. When we did Fox Nation, I did it with you and will and i think pete one time doing the the post-debate coverage there was the program was not he was not a big bright shining star he was a little understated it was the black it was the the dark horse but i couldn't help but go i liked him yeah on the debate stage will came earlier yeah an early guy. There was something about him, and maybe it's my Midwestern sensibilities. He's a Midwestern guy. Maybe I was drawn to that. But do I think he adds anything to the ticket?

Not at all. Is he going to be a big thinker for Donald Trump on policy? Is he going to be the pit bull that defends Donald Trump? Is he going to win the state of North Dakota? Well well they already went to north dakota a rich white guy you know he's not adding to the ticket he's not adding to the vote so i agree he's is he going to be a drag on the ticket probably not but he's not going to enhance the ticket and i think to your point rachel in the i think that the case for him is that he would be good when he once elected he could he's got a businessman self-made businessman.

Here's what Trump needs to think about. How so? So Donald Trump lost or some say he lost in 2020. But Donald Trump lives on through great decisions that the court's making. But his policies were living on, even though Joe Biden was the president. How do you continue the Donald Trump mentality that make America great again? America first mentality. Will you do it by bringing in a vice president who would be

the heir apparent when you leave to forge on to continue those policies? Correct. Which to your point, Rachel, it's V vague prosperity or J.D. Vance, Sean J.D. Vance fits into that category as well. Work comes from the working class lived in that sort of finance rich world.

So we understand it. He's sort of like able to to see how that world works. But, you know, listen, I don't think he's as exciting as as you think. He's a first term. He's a second. He's in a second year. So third year of his of being in the Senate. Yeah. I think those who cares about that? I mean, I think those he's not a second year so third year of his of being in the senate yeah right listen i think those who cares about that i mean i think those he's not gonna have but he's not gonna navigate the senate for you he's an he's a newbie you know yeah he wrote he'll build the elegy say so is so is um so is vivek he's a newbie in politics but there's a difference talking about communication

i think jd is a great communicator i'm sorry I like them both. I think Vivek rises above him in terms of his communication style. But it would be too bad if Donald Trump passes on him just because he he seems too flashy. Now, I Marco Rubio is an interesting candidate. So Marco Rubio, you talked about adding to the ticket. Marco Rubio adds the ticket in that you could just deploy this guy into spanish media and he can communicate the message he speaks perfect spanish um we have his wife is colombian we have lots of you know latin americans coming um for you know anti-communist reasons we have others coming illegally for bad reasons but there's lots of criminal reasons but he can speak to those um voters as well as hispanic americans i think that he um he knows how to communicate a message of american exceptionalism his story of his own

parents coming escaping communism um is a very inspirational aspirational story. So that's all good. Concerns on Michael Marco Rubio. He's very neocon. He's very quick to and I think he's very knee jerk when it comes to, you know, I love that he's a China hawk, but like China hawk and then tick tock and like all that. I don't know. I just think sometimes he's he's not as doesn't think it through the way I would yeah so i think you hit you i was going to make this point as well he's aspirational right and at a time when the american dream is under assault by the left um and people are people are coming here and again i don't like what's happening at the border i don't like what joe biden has done on the immigration front but

people are coming here many of them for a free launch for free drug sales but people are coming here, many of them for a free launch, for free drug sales, but many of them are coming for the American dream. They want a shot at it. And Americans who've been here since probably the Mayflower, they feel like there's an assault on the American dream. Is it alive? Are their kids going to have as good of a life as they've had? And that aspirational messaging from Marco Rubio, I think, is really effective at a time when people don't feel that way.

He can tap in. And Donald Trump's very aspirational. Also, they're very helpful. The sun is rising. The sun is setting on America. This is not who I think he should pick. I think he's going to pick Burgum. pick. I think he's going to pick Bergham. Yeah, I do too. I think he relates to him as a businessman and he feels comfortable and totally unthreatened by his, his, his personality and, and sort of like he's an understated person. I think in some ways, Mike Pence, similar. Yeah, totally. Can I, can I, I know we're going to go on to another topic. I know, but kind of give you one philosophy, one concern I have. We were just talking about, you know, all the work that the that the intelligence community Democrats did with Russia collusion.

Right. That was not that just didn't appear. That was that was fomented by the FBI, the DOJ and our intelligence agencies. And there's been a lot of conversation from people who say Donald Trump's, they prosecuted him, they tried to kick him off the ballot, they've impeached him, they did Russia collusion, like they've done all these things to him. And he's still standing, he's beating them, right? And so some have said, well, what's the next thing to do to Donald Trump? I mean, the next thing is to assassinate him right there people people online have said that correct and i would tell you that that's not if if if if the cia who

some have said were the ones that killed uh jfk they were messing with mlk um they do some shady things yeah i would say if they're going to take someone out, it's not going to be Donald Trump. They're going to take Joe Biden. The process of Joe Biden doesn't go himself. They feel like taking out Joe Biden takes out both Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Cause maybe Gavin Newsom steps into the fold. But that we've,

that you look online and there's a real American conversation about concerns about what the CIA is going to do and how they want to control who our president is. They don't want the people to control it. They want to control it because they know better than us, Rachel. They know better who's fit to serve as the president of their power. Right. They are afraid that, you know, they talk about retribution from Donald Trump being elected. What they're worried about is it's like when you hear them say threats to democracy, what that I'm going to translate that threats to their power. And so the CIA, the intelligence apparatus who have been after Donald Trump for a long time, because with Donald Trump in charge, they don't have the same kind of

power. And so they're worried that Donald Trump will get elected, that they will lose their power. And and so, yeah, and at this point, the biggest threat to them is Joe Biden, Joe Biden losing as it appears he will if he runs against Donald Trump. And so they got to get him out of the picture because, you know, in the Democrat Party, Sean, their candidates aren't decided by votes. Their candidates are decided by poll numbers. So if you don't poll well, they'll just take you out and put somebody else in. And they don't, you know, the voters be damned. And we saw that in the last election, you know, with all their shenanigans with mailboxes and, you know, universal mail-in balloting. And by the way,

they're not, as much as they're freaking out out they're not freaking out as much as they should be right and that is because they changed the way americans vote and it benefits them and it benefits cheating and it benefits people who don't think that you should have to show an idea and identify yourself as a citizen and as a legitimate voter and that's where we're at yeah they've done all they can to make sure that um if you're if you want to cheat in an election they've set up the rules around elections again to your point of mail-in balloting to drop boxes you know no security around one person one vote they've said they've set it up in a way that if you want to cheat it is set up to cheat sound smart democracies would never but you can vote for two months before

the election sound smart democracies would never set up an can vote for two months before the election. Sound smart democracies would never set up an election like this because they understand the problem that whoever wins, the other side is going to go, you cheated because it's, you know, it's not, there's, there's a wide berth of room for, for foul play. And that's why good democracies say, we're going to have an election and everyone's going to agree that the winner is the winner because no one can cheat. Right. The rules are so strong and so strict. You can't cheat in an election. Democrats have said we don't want that. We want to set it up. So there's wide room to be able to treat to cheat in these elections.

Sean, do you remember when we were in Iraqaq under the george bush days such a sad time in our history um but they held an election and everyone had to have an ink finger yep i'm i want to if i was in office i would be that would be my campaign issue i want an ink fingerprint um and all voter id ink fingerprints and um same day election unless you're a military member or you're you're you know in the hospital or you're you know incapacitated in some way and you can't get to the ballot box very strict exceptions for people who don't vote in person if you can't bring yourself to the poll if you're that lazy maybe you shouldn't vote one person one vote and only citizens We're following what's happening over in France. They vote

on Sundays. At Sundays and Election Day, they all turn out to vote on Sunday. Most everyone's off. People are off. You don't need to have a holiday, Sean. We just have to do it on a Sunday. Make Tuesday Election Day. Fine. Every four years a holiday. Let's move to a Sunday or Saturday when everybody can vote.

We'll have more of this conversation after this. I'm Guy Benson. Join me weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern as we break down the biggest stories of the day with some of the biggest newsmakers and guests. Listen live on the Fox News app or get the free podcast at GuyBensonShow.com. I want to move to this because this topic is really serious. I want to move to this because this topic is really serious. And you know it's serious and that it hits a nerve, that it's triggering people's trauma. But by the amount, 8 million people, this article has gone viral.

So this woman wrote an article for The Spectator, the American spectator. And the title is how with divorce, divorce, it never ends. Right. For for young people, I think is the name of the title. And divorce never ends. And it's fascinating, Sean, because what she talks about is what what her and her husband have in common, which is this legacy of divorce. Their parents got divorced when they were young, you know, 9, 11, 12 years old. And how, despite how long ago it was, they're now in their 40s, it's still impacting their lives. So here's what she says. She says, over 30 years later, and they still, she's talking about her parents and they still haven't

figured out how to put aside their differences and grievances, which their children have been asked to do for decades. Um, she has a lot to say about the boomer generation. You know, Sean, there was that feeling in the seventies and eighties and you kept hearing it like, you know, it used to be you stay together for the kids. And then this thing came along, this sort of boomer idea that the kids are resilient, the kids will be okay, the kids are fine. And that really what's important is the self-actualization and happiness of the adults. And then that sort of gave the emotional permission for a lot of parents who maybe might have thought it out and stuck it out in a difficult relationship, a difficult marriage to just,'t have the best relationship, there is some peace that happens for the kids. Even though they see their parents fighting and the parents are focused on each other and still their family. When there's a divorce, and she mentions this in the article, all of a sudden each, each parent is looking for a new mate

and then they're concerned about their boyfriend or their girlfriend and they're dating. And then the attention goes to their personal life and their relationship with someone else as opposed to the kids and the kids are then left. And you see this a lot. There's not room to actually parent and watch over the kids and the kids become a little bit wild. And she mentions this, she started, they were good, shy kids. And all of a sudden they're shoplifting, they're smoking, they're drinking,

they're stealing their dad's car at night and going out. Because there's not the supervision, because the parents are consumed with their own personal lives, not the kids' lives, the kids run free. And it creates a lot of dysfunction and bad decisions. Right. And the kids start to realize that they're not the center of attention.

And you and I don't think that kids should be the center of attention, but that they're not the priority. I think there was an interesting, I was having this discussion with my son-in-law and he told me about this South Park episode. I don't watch South Park, but the character says, you know, aren't I the most important thing in your life? The mother says, aren't you? You're the most important thing in my life. And the kid replies, well, then why don't you get back together with dad? And then the mother says, well, you're the most important thing in my life after my own happiness, you know, after me and my own happiness.

Let me read you this quote from the article from the Spectator article. She says, I know that in many instances, for example, when there is abuse, divorce is necessary. Yet so often it feels like two people are just over it and want to move on with their lives and be single again instead of doing whatever it takes to make it work for the kids. People don't want to hear this because it makes them feel bad about their decisions divorce sucks it never ends and it should be the very last result um she also goes on to say uh she's talking about she says something something they did the best they sometimes they did the best they could i know people who had it much worse my dad provided for us and didn't flake on the finances but still

when i recall this history a rage boils up on the surf to the surface grief for lost potential and what could have been anger at how my parents became so obsessed with their new significant others that we became side notes and that rage is triggered constantly in adulthood and she talks about how you know it gets triggered in different ways um and and and what was fascinating to me sean were the comments there were thousands and thousands of comments of other people, other adults who are saying, yeah, it never goes away. Almost like the pain, the pain, the pain never goes away. You know how people talk about like the death of a significant person in their life and they're sort of like this before and after. Like they start, they reorient their whole worldview to before that person died and after that person died. That's

how their life is divided. And for virtually everybody who commented on this, that was their experience, who they were and what life was like before the divorce and who they were and what life was like after the divorce. And sort of this loss, as she she said this lost potential is these split up Christmases, these split up summers. And, you know, I have a very good friend in my life who, you know, that their marriage was untenable. It's like what what what she describes in this article. There are some situations where divorce is just necessary. There's just no way around it because there's just too much physical or psychological abuse to deal with. And I have a friend in that situation. But nonetheless, that friend read this article and felt so much guilt because no matter how

justified that divorce was, the impact on their children is the same. And, you know, there's sort of guilt. And I was like, and I asked that person, like my friend, I said, well, what do you feel guilty about? Like you had no choice and you love your kids. You're so present. You're such a good mom. And she said, you know, I know. However, I just feel guilty that they don't have the privilege of growing up in a two-parent house, that they have to deal with these situations that people who have intact families never have to deal with. So that is the case in point, Rachel. That is what you want. If someone is in an untenable situation, you don't want them to think, oh, well, kids are resilient.

It doesn't really have an impact on their lives. You know, it's about me and I want a different choice. You want the parent to go, I'm distraught over the decision that I'm about to make because I have full knowledge of what it's going to do to me in my life as the parent, but also what I'm doing to these kids. Importantly, what it's doing to those kids. Right. And if you fully understand the earthquake, the tsunami that's going to hit.

The nuclear bomb that explodes up in their life. Yes. If you understand that, I think a parent then might approach the thought of divorce far more differently than if they're like, they're resilient and it's about my happiness. And that's why there couldn't be a better situation than this friend of yours who's thinking about what she's about to do to her kids. And if you fully analyze it and you realize what I'm doing to the kids and then you think about what kind of marriage you're in, I think the thought process is much different and you will not go into divorce. I don't think it's a very easy,

it's easy decision, but it'll be far more reflective. And you might think, can I stick it out? Can I stick it through? Is it really that bad? Is this the right decision? So it has to be the last resort.

And also going into it, Sean, thinking about with full knowledge of what it's going to do to your kids so that you're then not delusional about like the kids are OK. The kids are going to be fine. The kids are resilient. No, you go into it knowing this is going to be really tough on them. And I have to be present in a different way for them. I have to be much more aware of where the pitfalls are, the landmines are for this child. It could be when that child has a relationship, could be when that child doesn't have a relationship.

There was another interesting thing in the comments, Sean. Somebody in the comments talked about how differently people who come from intact marriages approach their love lives versus kids who come from a divorce situation where there was so much loss of trust and so much more sort of skepticism about the idea of love and marriage lasting forever, right? We talk so much in our culture about privilege, white privilege and, you know, the one percent, blah, blah, blah. The only true privilege, Sean, is to grow up in a stable two parent home. The ultimate privilege, a stable two parent home where the parents actually really love and like each other. That is, I mean, talk about the ultimate privilege. Talk about hitting the jackpot.

If you have that in your life, the way you start life off is just miles ahead. Because as we talk about so much on this podcast, nothing is more important in your life than your love life, than who you end up choosing to marry. And so much of how you view marriage and approach marriage and approach love and romance and relationships and dating and all those things is formed by what you saw in your own home. Now, that is not to say that you are, you know, that this is a life sentence, that if you grew up in a divorced home or an acrimonious divorce to boot, that somehow you're screwed and it's over for you. But again, that awareness of what happened to you, that self-realization, that understanding that you need to to heal from that and that you're not alone in that that now sean over 50 of the country

um is dealing with that and that is forever that was the other point i i gathered from this article and taking in all the comments our culture is forever changed by the lie that was told that kids are resilient and that everything that they're going to be okay. So your philosophy, and I love this philosophy that you've embraced, which is you're not going to let lies pass through your lips. And if you go back to this, this, this boomer generation, and by the way, when we're called boomers, this is why it's one of the most offensive things. When these young kids call us boomers, we're not, we are gen X. We are gen X. We are not boomers. This is why it's one of the most offensive things when these young kids call us boomers. We're not. We are Gen X. We are Gen X. We are not boomers.

Boomers are the Clintons. But they know they offend us when they say it because we are not that. But it happens on all kinds of things. They come up with these lies that kids are resilient. So you feel better about making a decision that's going to ignite

a nuclear bomb in your family. You feel okay about it because they're resilient. And I'm not going to go into it, but there are all kinds of things that they say that the kids are... I'm sorry, going to daycare is hard for kids. It's better for a kid to be home with mom and dad. And I get there's marriages that have to end and I get there's kids that have to go to daycare. But let's not lie about what is the best environment for kids to be at home with mom or dad or grandma and grandpa or within the family. They're being raised in the family, not, you know, in a in a in a mass produced daycare. Same thing with with divorce. Again, we shouldn't lie about the impacts that we're having on children's lives.

So we feel better about it. Let's be honest about it. And this all started with these boomers. They started lying and go, again, I'm in a situation where I don't have another choice. I get that. But understand the choices that you're making and the impacts those choices have. Don't buy into the boomer lie, the liberal lie that everything is going to be great because it's not. And I think that's what's important, looking at what is true, what isn't, and what impacts

my decisions have on my family. Yeah, Sean, so many things were triggering in my head as you were saying that, because you're right. It's not so much the divorce. It's the lie that kids are resilient. It's just like the lies people tell us. Like, you know, Camille Paglia, if you don't know who she is, she's liberal. She's a Democrat. She's one of my favorite people to listen to. Because even though I disagree with her, what I love about Camille Paglia is she tells the truth. She happens to be pro-choice.

I'm not. I'm rabidly, fiercely pro pro-life those of us on the podcast don't know that rachel i know you guys don't know that box news alert but what i like about camille paglia and there's a few others um caitlin flanagan another person who is pro-choice but those two women those two writers will say yeah we're-choice, but we're also not going to lie that we're taking a life. We believe that taking that life, that the benefit to the woman of being unburdened by this life. But make no mistake, this is a bloody decision that you're making. And you should go into it knowing that it is a bloody decision.

Don't buy the lies that this is a clump of cells, which I don't know anyone can believe that now that we have 4D ultrasound. Don't buy the lies. Don't delude yourself because guess what? It will come out in other ways. All the women who have tried to lie their way into believing that that is not a life, that they took a bloody mess that they actually chose to do. It comes out in alcoholism and drug abuse, depression, all kinds of stuff. You can't escape the lie. It eventually catches up to you. And so I respect those women for at least saying, yeah, I'm for this.

Here's why. And yeah, this is a this is a choice. I'm choosing to kill somebody else in order to benefit my own comfort, my own independence, whatever that is, just like in this case here. Don't believe the lie. And what what the lie did, Sean, is it took it gave permission to a lot of people who might have fought it out who might have worked it out look i come from a marriage that's not perfect my parents are still together they love each other family not a marriage yes what you said you're saying our marriage isn't oh no i'm my parents marriage i'm talking about

my own parents marriage not perfect um lots of flaws but they stayed together and i think the peace um that my parents gave us by fighting it out and and sticking together um has been a benefit to the four of us there would have been four little victims in the wake of you know if one of them had decided to to to to And, you know, all marriages have difficult spots. I just think, Sean, how many kids have been impacted because their parents went through a valley, a rough patch, and just decided not to fight it out and not to stick it out for the kids? I think that's one of the most noble things. It's self-sacrificing to say, I made this decision. I got married. I had all these kids

and now it's not perfect right now. It's really hard, but I'm going to stick it out until they're older or until I get through this rough patch. So I think it's, you bring up an interesting point. It makes me think every, every relationship, every marriage needs a hero. Yeah. Right. And so there's, listen, there's real fights in every single marriage and people, I mean, you're offended. What do you mean by that? Cause that's a saying that you and I say a lot. I will, I will say that people know what you mean with every relationship, every situation requires a hero. And so I think anyone who's married and we've talked about this a lot and I would say marriage is hard and I don't mean, I think

marriage is great. I love marriage. There are, there are hard spots in marriage you have to fight through and where you're, you're in a real disagreement, a real fight. And at some point when you're like, you're, you're both at each other's throats, someone at one point has to put their sword down and go, listen, I'm going to focus on our love, our relationship, our kids. We're going to let's actually stop with the trenches that we're in and let's step out and really talk through this, try to hear each other out and move beyond this fight. The hero will not keep you in the fight. The hero will move you beyond this fight. The hero will not keep you in the fight. The hero will move you beyond the fight.

So how does that manage? So usually in a lot of marriages, it manifests itself in the silent treatment, right? And so you can be so mad at each other that you're not talking to each other. So this is just an example. There's lots of different ways this hero thing can emerge. But imagine you're in a big fight with your spouse

and it's like a standoff, right? It's like a Mexican standoff. There's like, it's a silent treatment. And in order to break that, one person has to be the hero of the relationship to go, all right. And they've put their pride down, which is hard, especially if you think you're right in the fight.

And usually both people think they're right. And so you're in this relationship and you're in this fight and nobody's talking and one person's going to put their sword down and go, hey, we got to talk about this. And Rachel in our relationship is usually the one who does that

before me. Yeah, that's what she's alluding to. No, it's true. I do do that more than you but also what we actually fight i don't fight fair often and once we get into the conversation or even when we're in the midst of the fight i would say that you bring out the best skill set the the best sort of communication skills that i frankly have learned from because I didn't grow up seeing really fair fighting. And I think what happens too is in these fights, when you put the swords down, you'll go, both of you have some fault. There's not a fight where always someone's

wrong and someone's right. There's blame to go around. Now, someone might be more to blame, but if you're both willing to accept your part of the fight and acknowledge it and then apologize for it, it makes it easier for the other side to apologize to for what their role has been. And there's been times where we just we haven't agreed. Right. We haven't agreed on that. But what's helpful is when we talk about it, at least I know where you're coming from. I might not agree with your final conclusion, but I'll go, and I don't think it's crazy, but I think your assessment's wrong. Sometimes you think I'm crazy. That helps us in future fights to go,

okay, I know where her lines are. I know what that's, again, I don't agree with where she's going to go on this, but I know where she's going to go with this. And maybe that's going to help me navigate my relationship with you. And again, the hero is the one who's willing to break the ice going to go with this. And maybe that's going to help me navigate my relationship with you. And again, the hero is the one who's willing to break the ice,

to make a move. Because small fights can become massive fights that can lead to divorce. If you don't have a hero. And so be a, be a hero in that relationship because you're really being a hero for your kids and the commitment that you made. I want to bring up one other thing. You and I both come from families where our parents are married.

You and I are still married. We didn't have previous spouses. I think that's had a massive impact on how we approach marriage. But I want to tell you, I don't know where their listeners are coming from in your own lives, but I'll tell you this.

Growing up, when I saw some of my friends, whether it was in middle school or high school, when their parents were going through a divorce, there was a, as I think back on it now, a distinct change in them, in what they were doing, what they were allowed to do, the choices that they were making. And again, they became far more free to do far more things at night with their friends. They could stay out later. They were partying more. There was a lot of the change was real and the change wasn't for the better. And if you think back to that time frame in your life, I can't talk to elementary school, but truly middle school and high school, people shifted in how they behaved

and it wasn't for the best. And it comes from the chaos that's taking place within their family life. Divorce is chaotic. And that chaos around the parents means that the kids are an afterthought. And by the way, every kid, we make bad decisions as kids. We we want the freedom. We want to make, we want to make bad decisions. Maybe you're like, I wish my parents would get divorced so I could go out at night. Yes. I could party like that. And so I, again, I think just in our own lives, we can look at what's happened to people that we've seen that have gone through a divorce and the decisions they made.

And you go, ah, yes, not good. Sean, I hate to bring this back to abortion, but you know, when you think about abortion, I always say to people, you know, abortion doesn't end a problem. It opens up a whole new, you're introduced to a whole new set of problems, right? We talked about the addiction, the depression, the anxiety that comes from knowing that you made that decision. It's the same thing with divorce. You think you're solving a problem, right? This marriage that's not doing well. And in fact, the divorce opens up a whole new set of problems. And the victims of the problems are mostly the kids.

And I think that's the situation that we really want to talk about today. And that's what we want to leave you with, which is the idea that, you know, marriage is hard. And we all come to these junctures where, you know, we're so angry we could, you know, just decide to throw in the towel. And I think it's so important for parents and for families to think long-term. What is the legacy that I want to leave my kids?

And and I think, again, I'm so grateful for my parents. I'm so grateful for your parents that that that we have that that idea that marriage is forever. I'm also really grateful for the church, Sean. I think so much about our own Catholic faith, how that's played into the permanence that we see of how we see marriage. It's a sacrament. If you're Catholic, you believe that when you get married and you take the vows, it's it's actually a marriage between three people, you, your spouse and God. And so breaking that bond is is breaking that bond with God. God. And so breaking that bond is, is breaking that bond with God. And I think understanding marriage in that sacramental way has also been, it sort of just takes that off the idea of divorce off the table. And suddenly when you're married, and this is what I tell people who are single,

Sean, a lot are living with people. Like I know a lot of young women who are living with their boyfriends. And I just said, you know, when you are in a true, in a marriage, in a marriage that you believe is between you and your spouse and God, and it's a sacrament, and you believe in the permanence of it, it changes the nature of your fights. Your fights are not going to be throwing the towel kind of like it's over kind of fights because you realize I'm married forever. I got, I'm with you. I'm with you until the rocking chair days. And so how I fight and how I view this fight takes on a different nature. And I think that's the beauty of Christianity, Christian marriage.

That's the beauty of a culture that values marriage and sees the value in its permanence and in the stability that it provides for children. And again, I just think it's so important to think about the kids and all of this. It brings me back to something we started the podcast with. We were sitting on the end of the dock, drinking a cup of coffee this morning. And we kind of both said, there's no one else I want to sit at the end of a dock with as the sun's coming up and having a cup of coffee than with you. What happens if you're married to someone and you don't want to sit on the end of a dock with as the sun's coming up and having a cup of coffee than with you. And what happens if you're married to someone and you don't want to sit on it? That's the problem, right?

Well, it is a problem, but also it comes to a point of there can be hard times in marriages, but you have to make sure there's good times in marriages. And so you can draw on those good times and the bad times. Yeah. And at some point you can have the philosophy. It's like, have a good time with me. I dare you. Right.

Like you're, you're, you're being a shit in the marriage or both people go, you know what? Let's actually try to have a good time together. Let's have fun. Let's have fun together. Right. Let's leave all this and let's have an enjoyable time. We're not going to talk about whatever this, you know, the several last several fights have been or what this, let's go have dinner.

Let's go get a cup of coffee. Let's go for a walk. Let's spend some time together. Go on a vacation. It has to be a, we are both committed to going, we are going to have a good time together and whatever problems we have, we're not, they're not going to come up in this. This is a good time zone. Right.

And you do that. And all of a sudden it becomes, there's it the good times breed more good times yeah you can't just have bad times and the good times the bank the bank like you have when you when you have these happy moments these happy events these happy trips these these moments in your life um that are so enjoyable and so much fun it's like putting money in the bank right and so then the fight draws money out of the bank right you need more money of good times in your bank. Right. And so then it draws money out of the bank, right? You need more money of good times in your bank. So you can draw on that and the bad times of those fights. And so it takes both of you to say, we're going to have some good times together,

right? And you can will yourself to have some, but listen, you married this person. You obviously love them at some point, right? And you also, you had good, some really good times together, which caused you both to say yes to marriage. You can draw on what you've loved about each other and have those good times that put the money in the bank. And again, because you will have bad times and you can draw upon that. And so- That's why it's so important, Sean, when you talk about the importance of going away, getting away, whether it's date night or vacation with your spouse, that's important because when you are away from the kids, whether at dinner or away on a vacation, that is when you remember what it was like.

Oh, that's why I like you. That's why you're kind of fun. That's why we were, oh, you, I forgot you were actually a fun person when you don't have 40 dishwashers to fill up. We actually laugh together sometimes. That's kind of fun. So anyway, I, again, we've had a great time. Fourth of July weekend up in Hayward.

We're watching traffic at Walmart go by. I'm going to get into Walmart and grab a couple things. Wonderful time, you know, with our kids and a locust of kids that have come in and it is enjoyable and it's fun to see the memories they're building and the fun that they have.

We'll do another podcast about the phones, right? We've had, we'll do another different one podcast of what we've, what we've observed with phones. That's not today. We've gone a while, but do you know what I'm going to buy in Walmart? What toothbrushes? So we've been up here for four days and I real, and then one of my kids, finally toothbrushes on day four. Yeah. It's because their bathroom is in, in the bunkhouse.

And so I was talking to one of them and said, Oh, I need a toothbrush. I'm like you. And then I realized three of them forgot their toothbrushes. And like for the last four days, they have not brushed their teeth. I'm like,

Oh my gosh. And so I'm going in to get toothbrushes because these kids have been running around outside and having so much fun. They didn't realize these are, by the way, these are young kids. But also, it's so busy when we're up here. Yeah, they're off to retreat, and I haven't been strict. So anyway, I'm going in to get toothbrushes.

By the way, can I tell you another story really quick before we go? So a couple years ago, after Evita got married, almost two days after she got married, the whole family came up to the cabin. And I had to stay behind because I had to work so I actually came two weeks later to the cabin yeah yeah 10 10 to 10 to two weeks later 10 days to two weeks later I came back and I remember seeing Patrick who was probably seven at the time, six at the time. And I looked at him. I'm like, when's the last time you took a shower or a bath or a bath?

And he said, the wedding. So Sean brought him up after the wedding. And he's only had late. He only had lake bath. So it's called Dad's in Charge. Dad's in Charge. Dad's in Charge. All right.

Listen, I hope you all enjoyed our podcast. We had three topics. By the way, check out that article in The Spectator. It's called Get You the Title Here. The title of the author, yeah. It was good, but you know. Divorce Never Ends is the title. Divorce Never Ends. So, listen, thanks for joining us.

I hope you all had a great Fourth of July weekend. You're coming into this weekend and have some good family time planned. If not, if you're working this weekend, but you have some time planned this summer with your significant other, with your spouse, with your kids to put that money in the bank where you have those enjoyable moments. And the summer is so often a time to do that. We appreciate you joining us at the kitchen table, actually from the Walmart parking lot.

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