From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Miranda Devine Unloads On The Twitter Files & Meghan Markle

Episode Date: December 8, 2022

On this episode, Sean and Rachel are joined by New York Post Columnist and Fox News Contributor Miranda Devine to discuss the release of the "Twitter Files" by Twitter CEO Elon Musk, how they impact the ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden, and to recap the history of Hunter's business dealings.  Later, Miranda shares her belief that mainstream media have moved away from journalism and toward activism, and weighs in on the latest Royal Family drama as Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's docuseries is set to be released on Netflix. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Duffy. Thank you, Sean. It's so great to be back at our kitchen table. And today at our kitchen table, we have none other than the great Miranda Devine. I mean, who could we have better on a week like this? Well, all the Twitter news, there's no one better than Miranda to break it all down about what's going on as Twitter pre-Elon Musk is being exposed. So Miranda, great to be with you on From the Kitchen Table. We appreciate you joining us. Oh, fantastic to be with you both. I'm a big fan and I loved your Christmas book, which I got for my husband and loved. Oh, thank you. Well, listen, we had you on Fox

and Friends this weekend and we all thought it was a big get. Now we have you on the podcast. Saturday and Sunday. Saturday and Sunday was so much. We can't get enough of you. You wrote the laptop from hell. You are, you know, probably the most informed person on this topic. So tell us what is the latest that you're hearing about this, about these leaks and how it's being received in general by the media? I think it's at this point kind of hard for them to ignore it. Yes. Look, I think, you know, as the sort of dust has settled, I think that the general outcome is that, you know, a lot of people on the conservative side are very grateful to Elon Musk for at least, you know, trying to get some more truth and fairness into a very important social media platform. And he's come right out and said that it was a big mistake to censor the New York Post back in 2020 before the election. And he said that Twitter was acting as an arm of the DNC. So that's all correct.

And he's also said that the censorship of the Post amounted to election interference. So we know all that. That's great. But he hasn't really moved the dial forward in terms of the material that he let out on Friday night through journalist Matt Taibbi. There's nothing about the FBI, and that really is the missing link. That is the most crucial link, and I think it's an area

that the Republican House has to really investigate and get to the bottom of. There is some deep corruption in the FBI, and that was evident throughout the Russia collusion hoax, and it was evident in the suppression and censorship of the New York Post story about the Hunter Biden laptop before the 2020 election. And that was, we know Twitter and Facebook, but probably Google as well, because they were getting exactly the same FBI briefings. In fact, there are about 12 social media companies.

Reddit was another one from memory, LinkedIn as well. The FBI was giving these same bogus briefings, pre-bunking the story that they knew was coming out that was going to be detrimental to Joe Biden based on emails on Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop. They knew it was coming. They knew it was coming in October. They knew, I'm pretty sure, they knew that it was coming in the New York Post. So they went around pre-bunking that story and telling all the social media giants that when they saw a story about Hunter Biden, that that was hacked material. It was Russian disinformation. And what are they going to do?

Are they going to take it down? They actually went through the scenarios. Will you take it down? Will you censor the material? Or do we have to come at you with a subpoena? Wow. will you censor the material or do we have to come at you with a subpoena wow so we know that they had the laptop for like 10 or 11 months before that story came out the fbi yeah the fbi um had that laptop 10 or 11 months before the new york post story um the laptop repairman we had him

on fox and friends this weekend he said he's me, he's a hero. He is a hero. Absolutely. They tried to destroy him. He feels so many people vindicated you, you know, Rudy Giuliani, the laptop repairman. So many people vindicated by the story. But he told us on Fox and Friends that he thought that the FBI is clever and they covered their tracks and that there's probably nothing, you know, no emails between the government on Twitter and Twitter officials asking them to censor the story. You came on and you disagreed. You think that there is. And you questioned, if I recall correctly, Miranda, that Matt Taibbi has some criteria around how he's releasing the information and you were worried about that. Can you explain that further?

Yes. So Matt Taibbi, the Substack journalist who was entrusted by Elon Musk to release that information last Friday, he basically has said on his Subst stack that he was subject to certain conditions before he was allowed to look at that material. And so that begs the question, what were the conditions? My feeling is that the FBI was so heavily involved. There definitely is digital information. There will be calendar entries of the weekly FBI meetings that Twitter had to have. of the weekly FBI meetings that Twitter had to have.

There will be Slack discussions or whatever communications device they use internally, staff, to talk to each other, particularly since, remember, at this time a lot of them were working remotely. So there will definitely be a digital trail of conversations about what the FBI was warning Twitter about, which was in inverted commas, a hack and leak operation by, quote, state actors, meaning Russia, and involving Hunter Biden. Now, and in October.

So I cannot believe that there is not information, at least alluding to that, going between people at Twitter who are part of this enormous team of, they call them, I think, trust and security, the content moderation, basically the censors. I cannot believe that they were not having conversations about what they'd been told because they needed to ensure that every member of that team was alert to this hacked material whenever it arrived. So I think it's really curious that that wasn't part of Matt

Taibbi's first dump of information. And it's a complete guess. I have no evidence for this, but because James Baker, the former chief lawyer of the FBI, who had to leave in disgrace, having been implicated in every single Russia collusion stunt that the FBI pulled on Donald Trump, he finally left and wound up, what a coincidence, left and wound up, what a coincidence, at Twitter. Twitter! Yeah, five months before the election. You're in the news business. And what I find fascinating is now how all of these liberals are trying to dismiss the story or apologize for the story.

Miranda, you're hearing my little Valentina who's crying in the background. She's kind of sick. So I apologize for that. We're at our kitchen table. This is how we roll here at our podcast. But the conversation today by the left seems to be all about disinformation. And when we look at all the big stories that have come out over the course of the last several years and the disinformation claims are all wrong. And it's actually the left. It's been the media, whether it was the Russia hoax or it's the fake Hunter Biden laptop story. All of their disinformation is coming from them always. But they continue with this idea that they are the guardians of truth.

And we should look to them about what's truthful and what's disinformation. Well, that's just their MO. That is what the left does. They are the masters of psychological projection. So they accuse you of what they themselves are doing. They accuse you of their own sins and they get away with it because most people, especially in America, are not used to liars. People who just lie as easily as breathing. Most of us feel guilty or blush or stammer or give away something when we're lying.

But when you're a practiced and congenital liar, like I dare to say our president, it's just there are no tells. There's nothing there. There's no shame. It's all they feel. Lying is just another way of communicating, and it's a way that they win the argument every time because there is no conscience. All they do is commit crimes, you know, political crimes, say,

maybe real ones, commit crimes and then accuse their hapless opponents of committing those crimes. Then their hapless opponents are busy saying, no, no, I didn't do that. I didn't do that. No, I'm a good person, please. You know, they spend their whole time defending themselves and the Democrats are laughing. And, you know, that was why Donald Trump for all his flaws was so successful because he just didn't buy into it. He didn't care. They could call him whatever they liked and he would just bulldoze on and not be distracted. And so I think the Republican Party needs to, I guess, get a bit of a tougher hide, the politicians there,

and they also need to move ahead with a really positive vision. I just had lunch with Nigel Farage, who's, you know, the British great leader who brought Brexit, made Brexit happen. He's, you know, in dismay about the state of the Western world, although there are bright spots like the president of Italy, Georgia, Milano, I think she's called. And, you know, this is I think what needs to happen for 2024 is he's saying America needs to get the voting system right, the electoral, the changes that the Democrats made need to fix it in every state or otherwise, you know, they'll lose 2024.

But also there's something about leadership. You really need leadership that isn't distracted, that isn't worried about being called a racist or whatever else, and that puts forward a really positive, optimistic vision for the future. And that will win over, you know, those both straggling voters and hopefully overwhelm the sort of vote rigging that's going on in battleground states. I mean, speaking of vote rigging, this is a quote from Blake Masters, who was a senatorial candidate in Arizona. He said, any candidate who explained how big tech put its thumb on the scale was called an election denier. But the simple truth is that the Hunter Biden laptop censorship put Biden into the White House full stop. What do you make of that? He's right. Look, it was just one of many issues that, you know, the Democrats cleverly parlayed into victory.

I think Molly Hemingway outlines a lot of them very well in her book. But when it comes down to the New York Post story about the Hunter Biden laptop, absolutely that would have made a difference. We from it was a close election it was a very close election and and um the media research center has done polls after the election and it found that something like i can't remember the exact numbers maybe 15 percent of voters 14 Biden voters would have changed their vote had they known about the corruption that was exposed in our story, our series of stories. And, you know, in an election that was won in, I think, three battleground states by what, 30,000 votes? I mean, a tiny

number of votes. That could have made the difference. Of course. And then they say like, oh, well, we should just be satisfied with some hearings about what happened with the suppression of the story. It's like, well, no. I mean, these two years have been absolutely devastating to our country. They've made people poor. They've made the world more unsafe. And we're just supposed to be satisfied with a few hearings. You know, of course, I want the situation to change. Of course, I want, you know, to stop collusion between big tech and our government. And I want these elections to be something we can trust. But you know, where do we go back to get that? And I want to talk one more thing for me, because you're with the New York Post, that you had, there was an opinion article today by Rich Lowry who said that the intel officers who said that this was disinformation are more blameworthy than even Twitter.

What do you say to that? I 100% agree with him, and I'm so glad that he's gone back to that well. that he's gone back to that well. You know, we have at the Post over and over again contacted those 51 former intelligence officials, which included five former heads of the CIA or acting heads of the CIA who should have known better, people like Leon Panetta, John Brennan, no surprise, James Clapper, Michael Hayden. You know, these people used the very high authority of that very high office

that they held to hoodwink the American people into thinking that the Hunter Biden laptop story was a Russian disinformation plot. They used sneaky language. They said it had the earmarks of a Russian information operation. That's what they meant, Russian disinformation. That's how everyone saw it. And they put that letter out five days after our story. And three days later was the final debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. And of course, Biden used it to deflect Trump's attack. And he used it to get out of jail free, basically. And he lied. He said that these intelligence officials have said it's a Russian plant and that you're

the one that's got the Russian problem, etc. You know, it was a masterful episode of deception, really. We'll have more of this conversation after this this episode is brought to you by miller light miller lights all about celebrating friendships especially during fantasy football season and there's no better way to show your friends slash fantasy league's last place finisher that you love them than Miller Lite's Last Placements, where you can get their face on a billboard. Yep, a real billboard. Just go to lastplacements.com to find out how. Miller Lite, tastes like Miller time.

It was deceptive. And for me, I can forgive people who make mistakes, Miranda, because we all make mistakes. These aren't mistakes. This is, to your point, willful deception, whether it was at Twitter, in the media, in these former Intel individuals. They're trying to willfully deceive the American people so they can accomplish a political outcome because they're activists. They're not actually intelligence officials. They're not actually media reporters. They're here to accomplish a goal, which is help elect Democrats. And the sooner I think we recognize that as Americans, that they don't really have credibility as impartial players. They're actually partisan hacks. I think the country will be better off for that. And because the media doesn't report these stories, well, left-wing media, you do,

Fox does, but the other media doesn't. I think just a lot of Americans blindly go forward trusting these hacks because they don't know all the times they've been lied to by them. Exactly the point. Whenever you look at polls, you see how polarized the country is, and it's really polarized down media organ lines. So if you read the New York Times and the Washington Post and you think of yourself as a well-educated, you know, upper-class elite, you know, intellectual, then you are arrogantly safe in your belief

that the Hunter Biden laptop is a nothing burger and anyway it was Russian disinformation. And all it's about is Joe Biden's wayward son who's now over his drug addiction. And we should feel sorry for him. And Joe Biden is guilty of nothing except being a really kind, lovely family man. So there's half the country actually believes that. And the reason they believe that is because that is the propaganda that they are fed every day. We saw just the other day, Jill Biden's Christmas decorations just got rave reviews in the Washington Post, the same newspaper that was just jumping over

itself with numerous columns and articles trashing Melania Trump's Christmas decorations. It's so blatantly biased. It's so obvious to us on the other side, but to Washington Post readers, they believe that Joe Biden has wonderful taste and that Melania Trump doesn't. So I think that is the problem, Sean. The media is lying. It's not journalism anymore. It is propaganda worthy of pravda. They give themselves Pulitzer Prizes. They ran the Russia hoax for, you know, all those years and crippled the Trump administration. for all those years and crippled the Trump administration. They told half the country that Trump is an existential threat. They never reported on any of his presidency's successes.

And they've turned January 6th into something that was worth the 9-11. Just this week, we had that ceremony the Capitol Police had in Washington, D.C. And, you know, they seem to do it every year, but it's two years since January 6th, and that's all that was talked about, as if it had just happened, as if it's the worst crisis that's ever happened in the world, you know, and you had hypocritical Democrats like Chuck Schumer getting up and, you know,

emoting about having to honour and protect police officers. It's unbelievable. It's mind-blowing from the party that cheered on the Antifa BLM riots of 2020 that we all remember from that summer, where police officers, hundreds of them, probably thousands of them, were badly injured, were blinded, where people, 2,000 people were killed, you know, $2 billion worth of damage done to stores. And now the police forces across the country in the big cities are demoralised and they're leaving in droves. Law and order is just, you know, destroyed,

particularly we know in New York. And there are the Democrats who caused all that by attacking the police and empowering those people who were attacking and protesting against the police and throwing Molotov cocktails at them. The Democrats are now pretending that they're on the side of police and they're using the Capitol Police Force, which is a hyper-partisan organization. It's clear.

There may be good people rank and file there, but just like the FBI, they are serving a political master in the Democrats. And so I'm, you know, sickened by this sort of sanctification of that political partisanship and this fake, false pretense by Democrats who cause so much damage to this country when it comes to law enforcement standing up there as if they're the champions of law and order. And the Republicans aren't. It's that projection we were talking about again. Yes. And by the way, the Democrats blocking the videotape release of the surveillance video from within the Capitol.

So we don't really know what happened. And we still don't know who planted the pipe bombs. I mean, we talk about the FBI. You know, I don't think they should get any funding until they find the pipe bomber because there's actually surveillance video of that. And somehow there are pieces cut out. I mean, it's all such a joke. But I have to ask you this, Miranda, because there's no way I can have you on and not ask you. This is kind of going from the field of journalism into the field of psychology. But you're going to have to go there with me. And that is about Hunter Biden leaving so much picture evidence on that laptop.

So, so many details, so much salacious stuff. Why would he do that? What is the psychology between, I mean, by the way, all the people who wanted to hide these lies are just, you know, they can't believe that there's so much evidence on that laptop from hell that you wrote about, but why do you, when you get to the bottom of it is, it, I once had Victor Davis Hanson on. He thought there was something very passive aggressive that Hunter is actually angry at his father and that he was leaving these sort of breadcrumbs of evidence. What is your take on this? Yes, look, I think that's spot on because at the time that Hunter dropped off the laptop at John Paul MacIsaac's repair shop in April of 2019,

he was enraged with his entire family. He was just furious. He felt that they were throwing him under the bus in order to neutralise the damage that he would do to Joe Biden's upcoming presidential campaign. And remember, Joe Biden announced his campaign only days after the laptop was dropped off. And so you can see from the material on the laptop how Hunter's raging at his family, saying they don't appreciate him. He's high on crack most of the time, but he's furious that particularly his father had just recently, obviously, or his father's people working for his father had briefed Maureen Dowd, who was Joe Biden's favourite columnist, according to Hunter, in a column about poor Hunter and how he was, you know,

a no-hope, a drug addict, and they just have to, you know, put him aside and continue on. And Hunter was furious because, as he said, you know, you were treating me like I'm a liability. I'm the person who supported you. I've given half my salary to dad. All these years, I've had to go and work and support the entire family, which is kind of true. Like he was the rainmaker. He was the bag man. He wasn't exactly working. He was using his father's influence to peddle around the world and make money. But it is true. He brought the money in and then he dispensed it around the family. So he sort of had a right to be angry. And are we going to hear about this in the Tucker Carlson special Biden Inc. that's coming out, I think you're a big part of, right? Yeah. Yes, I think so.

Look, they've done a great job. What I love about, I haven't seen the whole thing, but what I love about the special, this two-part Tucker Carlson special, is they've actually gone to the Brandywine Valley. Joe Biden's mansions and they've sent a drone over. So you can really see the privilege and the luxury that the poorest man in Congress lives in. It's such a beautiful part of America. But from listening to Joe. I don't know how. I didn't figure out how to get rich in Congress like he did. It didn't happen for me. It's it's no, it's unbelievable.

I mean, he's done nothing but that. It's it's so obvious what they did. It's so obvious that he's the chairman of this corporation, which is, you know, peddling influence and frankly, endangering our national security. I mean, I always say this is not a Hunter scandal. I compare it to how the Clintons were able to call the Lewinsky scandal, you know, get it named Lewinsky scandal when it was really Bill scandal. It's the same thing. It gets called Hunter. Sometimes I feel sorry for Hunter when I hear about everything. He's a despicable guy. But the real person, He's a despicable guy.

But the real person, the real danger is Joe Biden. And he is compromised. And he has actually affected policies that are hurting our country because he is in bed with the Chinese. They know the Chinese Secret Service knows exactly what he's done. And I believe that Hunter Biden is doing their bidding. Well, look, I think this is where the Republican House investigations are going to be really useful because they will be able to, A, subpoena the important witnesses. There are lots of people named in my book, such as Eric Schwerin, who was one of Hunter's business partners. was like, he actually managed the bank account that Joe and Hunter's money was coming in and out of. He helped Joe with his tax returns.

And so he knows a lot. There are others. There's a guy called Rob Walker in Arkansas, who was the conduit of $6 million from, sorry, $6 million into $3 million tranches from that Chinese energy company, CEFC, which was supposed to go to the Bidens. So the Republicans have got access to a money trail, subpoena power that no journalist has. So they will be able to tell us exactly how compromised Joe Biden is, because at the moment, all I found was a small amount of evidence that Joe Biden was financially benefiting from Hunter Biden's influence peddling scheme. And Jim Biden, we mustn't forget Joe Biden's brother, who's the original influence peddler back in the days of Delaware when this

was a low-rent grift. And they brought Hunter in as the protege. But that money is crucial because we know that Hunter was paying for some of Joe's maintenance on his home, building a retaining wall or some painting or putting new shutters in or air conditioning. It's very expensive to maintain a mansion with enormous grounds. And then he was also paying for a cell phone for Joe. And also there's some evidence of shared debit cards, shared bank accounts, as I already mentioned. And Joe and Jill had the keys to hunter's office i mean my mom doesn't have the keys to me and sean's office at fox and by the way um my mom and dad don't pay i don't my mom i don't pay for my mom's bills i mean like it's just weird i said this consistently a forensic audit

very simply would lay out you know what joe biden was getting from hunter and the money that they were making in these foreign deals it's very simple it will be very challenging and politically explosive if the house tries to do this they're gonna be challenged all over the map trying to get the documents fbi can get them very quickly and they do this is like this like the easiest audit they would ever do right they use because again they don't want to know they're instead of prosecuting criminals, that's defending the criminals, which is outrageous from Joe Biden and his grift. Wait right there. We're going to have more of that conversation next.

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He does like the royal story. Listen, there's a lot of, you know. Interest. There's a lot of drama in Hunter, but there's also a lot of drama and gossip in in the Harry and Meghan world. So this week, Harry and Meghan, as you know, are dropping their first episode of their docu series. It's been much awaited. I think they were paid almost one hundred million dollars for this. Yeah. They dropped the trailer right in the middle of his brothers, you know and his sister-in-law's tour you know big american tour uh really causing a lot of waves by doing it at that time but of course

makes perfect marketing sense and then the two trailers were pretty juicy i have to say well done and juicy implying racism sexism um from the royal family hunter biden could do a story like this with netflix 2 on joe and make a hundred million i would watch that one did you think you saw a hunter the other night mingling at the kennedy center yes yes hollywood yes yes yes that's part of the new rehabilitation of hunter biden um Bidens. So what do you make of this? I mean, you're an American citizen, right, Miranda? Yeah, I was born in America, in Jamaica, Queens, but I've spent half my life in Australia. So you understand the Commonwealth and you understand intuitively how dangerous what Harry and Meghan are doing, what they're doing to the monarchy. And it's really

sullying. You've seen the approval numbers for the monarchy go down. And even in America, which was always really pro, you know, love the British monarchy, love the royals. Now the approval numbers are going down. And like it or not, I think Meghan Markle is making an impact. Yeah. I mean, it really chagrins me to agree with you. But, yes, I think she's such an awful person. I think, you know, she's – Harry and Meghan have been so selfish and so vile. You know, remember the Oprah interview.

They did that interview. That interview was released while Prince Philip, the Queen's beloved husband, was dying in hospital. He died two weeks later. And the Queen, you know, this selfish couple's constant baying for attention, their constant denigration of the royal family, particularly the future king and queen, which is Harry's brother, William and Kate, the beautiful Kate, who Meghan is so jealous of. Kate, who has not put a foot wrong, who also suffered, you know, a lot of problems when she went into

the royal family. She had the paparazzi after her. She had people sneering at her because she wasn't royal family. She had the paparazzi after her. She had people sneering at her because she wasn't aristocratic. It wasn't smooth sailing. It's not smooth sailing for anybody coming into a family. Everybody knows that. There are always going to be aunts and cousins or mothers-in-law or whoever who are difficult and you have to win over. And that's exactly what Kate has done by just never putting a foot wrong, being a wonderful wife and a wonderful mother and working very hard. And Megan just goes in or Megan goes in and she wants to be Queen Bee. And she could never be Queen Bee because the Queen was the Queen. And Kate was always going to take precedence over Megan. She was always going to stand in the

better part of the balcony and Megan could not stand that. And look, Rachel, you will know about this. There are some women who are not women's women. They are men. Yes. And she's like that. She sees every woman as a contest, as a competition for the attention of men. And it's a really toxic personality trait. And unfortunately, it really poisoned her against the royal family. And she's dressed it all up. It's pure jealousy. And she's dressed it all up as racism. And she was depressed and she was going to commit suicide, as if she has just copied exactly what Diana had said happened to her

so that she could tug at Harry's most vulnerable part. And it worked. Harry now sees her as being the same sort of victim as his mother. His mother was 19 years old and she had a husband who loved someone else. Of course, Diana had a terrible time and Charles did a terrible thing to her. But Meghan has a husband who adores her and is a willing slave. She had a royal family that bent over backwards to welcome her and were thrilled that they had someone who was not know not white that was well she calls herself black but she's you know has a has a black mother and a white father i just want you to know her babies

are whiter than mine and i'm well exactly exactly what does the liberal say when she's white they're white passing is that what they're saying for sure white passing yeah. She thinks that she's going to inject race, you know, because of all the George Floyd stuff and because America is very sensitive to race for other reasons, you know, slavery and so on, completely different history to England. And for her to now inject an American sensibility about race into England and into the royal family is so toxic. The woke stuff, they actually are flat-footed. They don't have the resources. They're not

savvy enough or cynical enough to defend themselves against this. So it has been successful, but shame on Harry to do that to his family. Shame on him to do that to his grandmother, the queen, who did nothing but provide service to the country, to the Commonwealth, to her family. To her dying day, she was working hard and her dying days were plagued. We now find out she had very painful bone cancer. They were plagued by this awful pair that kept on, you know, Harry apparently used to keep on phoning her up asking for money because Charles wouldn't take his calls anymore because he told his mother, I'm not a bank. So they're just two awful people.

But unfortunately, they're being lionized in the media. Netflix has paid $100 million. We're all going to watch this sordid show. Of course we are. Can I throw a theory at you because netflix is deeply involved and netflix as you know the obamas have a a deep you know um uh they have their fingers in that pie for sure and i believe and we've all known i mean one of the first acts that obama did that acts that Barack Obama did was remove the bust of Winston

Churchill out of the White House. He has a beef with the English, I think, and the monarchy, because he has a lot of deep-seated thoughts about colonialism and British imperialism and so forth. And we know that Meghan Markle has a close relationship with the Obamas. And I literally think that this is all, I mean, it obviously playing off of her narcissism. She's a master manipulator. She is a master marketer. She's won and gotten the best of the monarchy and, and their aides who are so experienced in handling the press and handling

stories. She's gotten the best of them at every turn. It's been really fascinating to watch how carefully curated all of her pictures are, how she watches what Diana does, how she, even those, did you see, did you see Miranda, the, the, the John and Yoko Ono pictures compare she, she, she took John and Yoko Ono images and sort of duplicated them with her and Harry. No, I didn't see that.

Oh, my gosh. I'm going to send them to you after this. It's fascinating. They're almost identical. She's just a master manipulator. I believe that Netflix, this is my little theory. I believe that Barack Obama hates the monarchy. I believe all these leftists hate the British monarchy.

They believe that it's structurally racist. And Meghan Markle is the perfect tool to bring down the monarchy using this structural racism. What do you make of that? I would 100% agree with you. The monarchy is, you know, a conservative institution, even if Prince Charles is a mad climate change fanatic and wokey woke, yeah. But, you know, it's an institution that provides stability and has endured for centuries and is a sort of symbolic representation for England that really, in a constitutional sense, protects it from the worst extremes that woke politics would bring.

And so therefore it's a threat, therefore they want to bring it down and they'll do it using any tool possible. And for Obama it would be just like tearing, you know, wings off a fly. It's just something fun to play around with and they encourage Meghan. You know, she was desperate as a, you know, Z-grade actress who never could get her foothold in Hollywood. And now she's come back to Montecito as a, you know, a princess

and she gets to dine with George and Amal Clooney. She's, you know, rubbed shoulders. She's, you know, with Oprah and all the Hollywood celebrities. And she just, she's arrived. And so she now has tickets on herself, ideas above her station. She really thinks she's a political player. And remember when she rang those Democrats and weighed in last year on some, I can't remember what it was, some piece of legislation,

she was phoning them individually. And, you know, there's talk that she wants to run for president. Yeah, she sees herself as a major power player here in America. Do you think that King Charles will take away their titles? I certainly hope so. Let's see what happens in this Netflix show, but also Prince Harry's book, which is called Spare. It's a turn on the air and the spare, which people always called the two of them. And, you know, a kind of a self-loathing title to choose so that's apparently meant to have a lot of explosive uh accusations against the royal family and apparently they pushed back it was supposed

to be published in november sort of around the same time as the netflix documentary they pushed it back to january um reportedly i don't know if this is true, but it's certainly been reported after the Queen died because they didn't want to be accused of sullying her memory so soon after her death. It's only been three months since her death. Anything they do to sully her memory is just going to cement their unpopularity with the British public. The Queen is just so loved by the British and Meghan and Harry's popularity has sunk so low. It's not quite as low as Prince Andrew Epstein's mate, but he did some pretty bad things. It's almost there. It's almost at rock bottom. And when this Netflix documentary comes out, I'm sure it'll be worse. at rock bottom. And when this Netflix documentary comes out, I'm sure it'll be worse. It looks like they want to be famous. I think they want to make their home in America. And you see their numbers rising,

Harry and Megan's numbers rising here. Filthy, rich. They've done it because they're victims, Miranda. Americans are like, oh, you poor victims. How do you deal with this and their mansions and servants? Private jets! victims how do you how do you deal with this and their mansion and by the way well foxnews.com has

a headline that says eco-activists Prince Harry and Meghan Markle picture leaving private jet on way to Gallagher giving sustainability award and the hypocrisy is so great and for me I get so frustrated with these people even from you know Charles, they're left-wing environmentalists, crazies. And I get you guys' conversation on the historic nature of the monarch and the stability from the monarch. And Western civilization. Yes. And I mentioned this in last week's podcast. I'm just going to say it again. Everything that they represent are the very ideas that are going to take down Western civilization. The leaders now have embodied they don't know how to play the woke game.

Prince Charles doesn't, but they're embodying all the ideas that I think will destroy Western civilization, will destroy economies, will destroy freedom and free enterprise. And for me, I say in this Christmas season, bah humbug. Yeah, I mean, Sean has no sympathy for them. And it's true. I think that you're right. He's supposed to be the head of the Church of England. Everyone knows he's not religious. His religion is environmentalism, King Charles. But I think that the monarchy is in real danger of being taken down by a B-list, C-list actress,

who I think is going to bring, you'll see in this documentary, we'll see, Miranda, we'll have to come back and have you after the docuseries comes out and the book. But I think she's going to use race as her card. I think she's working in use race as her card. I think she's working in conjunction with the Obamas to bring down the monarchy in the very least, to sully it and take it down multiple notches, because that is what the liberals do. They tear things down, even thousand year institutions like this. And she was dangerous. And I think that the queen and everybody who was a little bit wary of her were right to be wary. But I think she's a formidable force

in bringing down this monarchy. Last word, Miranda. Yes, I agree. And look, I think the royal family is aware of this. We just got word that Prince William has said gloves are off. He will, instead of just turning the other cheek and keeping a dignified silence, he is going to rebut every lie. Already, I think someone's counted something like 17 lies in the Oprah interview. And in the Netflix previews, there are probably the same number of lies and distortions. So let's fact check the Netflix series. Let's make sure that the American people do not get sold on the myth of St. Megan and St. Harry. They're really bad people. And any wife who would poison her husband against a brother that he got on so well with and had suffered so greatly through all those tribulations

of their family and losing their mother and so on, to destroy that relationship is just criminal. I don't know how a wife could do that. And to me, Prince Harry looks miserable all the time. She took him out of his country, his family, the only job he's ever known, and put him into this alien environment where he's trying to do yoga and meditation and all these crystals and this crazy therapy. It's not good for him. He looks terrible. I agree. He looks miserable. He's never been less good looking. I couldn't agree. I think a bad wife, bad life. He's not doing well and he's not attractive anymore. I mean, like literally this beta thing that he's got going on,

it's just miserable. It's miserable. They remind me of Willy Wonka, the movie where they had the little girl who got caught in, I think it was the apple tester and she was a bad apple and it dumped her in the cashman. These two are really bad apples. They are bad apples. You would not pass Willy Wonka's test. Well, Miranda, I can't thank you enough for indulging us in both of these hot, salacious topics. You've been somebody I deeply and greatly admire. As do I. I just, I say, I always say the great Miranda Devine.

And I don't say it in just, I mean it. So you are the great Miranda Devine. We thank you for your reporting. You've been vindicated all over the place and certainly your book. And now hope everyone watches Biden Inc. It's the Tucker Carlson original Fox nation. And you were a part of that as well. So continue on the story. I really, I mean this too, Miranda.

I wish the Twitter files had been given to Miranda instead of Matt Taibbi. I'd feel a little more confident about things. As would I. Miranda Devine, thank you for joining us. We're very grateful. Thank you. Thank you so much, Rachel and Sean. It's been a real pleasure.

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