From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch: Reflecting On The Dobbs Decision One Year Later

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

On this episode, Sean and Rachel discuss the historic losses that Disney has suffered at the box office and weigh in on how woke ideology has had a hand in the decline of their movies.   Later, they are joined by Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch, as they reflect on the one-year anniversary of the Dobbs decision, how Mississippi has worked to empower mothers, and discuss the impact that the overturning of Roe V. Wade has had on the nation. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We have a great show today. We're going to talk to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch about the historic Dobbs decision anniversary that came last Saturday. A great conversation with her. But first, we want to talk about Disney and how woke it's become and what woke Disney has meant for its bottom line. Yeah, so it's interesting. Over the last year, they have, first of all, there's been a leak of, and this was kind of big news when it came out, the leak of Disney executives and Zoom calls sort of really putting out there and being very clear that they are pushing an LGBTQ plus agenda

with kids movies. This is not this is completely intentional. In fact, the Disney executive, there are multiple of them. One of them was Carrie Burke. She's the president of Disney General Entertainment. And she said in her, you know, Zoom call, she says, I'm here as a mother of two queer children. Actually, she looks like a very middle aged, you know, Zoom call. She says, I'm here as a mother of two queer children. Actually, she looks like a very middle-aged, you know, suburban white mom. She says, I'm here as a mother of two queer children, one transgender child, one pansexual, and also as a leader. And she went on to talk about how, you know, we need more LGBTQ characters. She wasn't satisfied with the number of them. She said we need half the characters. Half the characters need to be LGBTQ plus. She also bragged about the fact that now

the Disney parks won't say, you know, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, they, you know, have a gender neutral greeting for them. They say dreamers of all ages. So this is really, it's, of course, we know we're not imagining that this is an agenda. It is an agenda. But what's interesting is that it's an agenda that is not very profitable for them. So over the last year, many of these movies that have had these themes have lost millions and millions of dollars. Some of it because American parents just aren't interested. And one of them was elemental.

It was so in your face. That was the name of the movie. It was so in your face with the agenda that kids weren't interested in and parents didn't want to take their kids. Others are a little more tucked in. Toy Story had a lesbian kiss. And so in like, I think,

17 different countries around the world, mostly in Muslim countries, they said, and I believe China as well, they said, 17 different countries around the world, mostly in Muslim countries. They said, and I believe China as well, they said, no, thank you. We don't want that movie here. So they lost, so they lose money internationally when they do that as well. But they continue to put out these movies that have these woke agendas, despite it not being profitable. Yeah, so I think it's important. Let's look at what's actually happened with the numbers.

So Disney's on track to lose $900 million because they've had a series of movie flops. Now, they are making money with ESPN. They are making money, even though they've changed their greeting at the park, they are making money at their theme parks, even though they're having a war right now. I have a theory on that. Let's get back to that. You can come back to that. But, for example, Guardians of the Galaxy, a Disney film, as well as The Little Mermaid, both failed to meet expectations that were set by Disney on how much revenue these movies would bring in. I'm going to come back to The Little Mermaid in a second.

But Lightyear, you mentioned Buzz Lightyear, but the movie Lightyear and Strange World, two also movies that came out from Disney, they were absolute and complete failures. I mean, they actually lost money. And the problem with Disney is they spend a lot of money not just to make the movies. They're very fat and bloated as a corporation. They don't do things lean and mean. But also the advertising budgets that they spend to promote these films, to try to sell us that this is a great family film, and they have all these LGBTQ plus themes within them. It doesn't work. So let's talk about Little Mermaid. But I think Elemental, by the way, was a Pixar one. I think I said it was Disney,

but that was Pixar. You're right. So Disney, so you're right. You're right. So Little Mermaid had nearly $500 million of revenue worldwide, right? But it cost like $560 million to make it, maybe? But the film cost just over $500 million to make. $560 million is the projected break-even point. So they're still $60 million short. Now, with Little Mermaid, you probably know this better than I do, but Ariel has now been played

in this new version by Halle Bailey, who's a black actress. Right, and there's no problem with that. It doesn't match the character. It did match the original character, but I think what happens, too, is that now to get Oscar nominations on anything, to even be considered, the Oscars now have all this criteria that you have to have so many minority characters or gay characters in a film. So there's this real, like, scramble to do that.

But, you know, this it's surprising that and there's a lot of um other what there's other woke themes in it it's not the racial thing and that's not why that didn't um do well i think it's just they they really veered away from the original story which was so fun and so so so geared towards kids without all of this adult agenda and ideology injected. There's agendas in the movies. I love Moana. But it's like if a white girl plays Moana, I don't see Moana. I mean, the character is the character, I think.

Right. I mean, I could see that kind of switching a little bit. But in any case, I think it's the other stuff that's tucked into it. You still have $560 million to break even, and they haven't. And the thing is, usually what happens is these movies get, they come out of the gate really big, and they make all their money up front, and they're, like, struggling here on the back end

to try and break even on that. And so the question is, why do they do this? I want to talk really quick about the park, Sean, because you would think, oh, well, the parks would suffer. The thing that's happening at the park is something that you and I have experienced. It's that it's gotten so expensive. So basically, the working class are not going to go to Disney anymore. I mean, they have to save for years and years and years to take their families.

It has now become the playground of the rich. And the rich and the elite have completely bought into the woke agenda and so they're actually in some ways responding to the audience uh you know to their customers at the park which are now going to be and now are um very upscale and very woke like the like the lady in this uh this is this disney executive um that's the kind of mom who would bring her kids to Disney World. So it's been, what, four years, five years since we've gone to Disney? Yeah, it's been a while.

And, you know, obviously I think a lot has changed between now and then. And you're right. When you have families that have to save for years to go to Disney and have this magical experience, but you go there and a vast majority of your time is spent in line. You don't get to ride the rides because the lines are so long. And the elites are able to come in and buy fast passes where they go to the front of the line or they go on a back tour around the park

and go right to the front of every single line. So again, for the average experience based on the cost, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe one time, but then you add all this other stuff. You can go to Six Flags. You can go to, you can find a theme park in your area. Disney is special, Sean. Disney is special. And that's why when we saw, we did a big story on this podcast about the Bippity Boppity Boo salon and how they had, you know, trans men dressed as fairy godmothers greeting the little girls as they came into the hair salon. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that they're doing,

and you just scratch your head because it was at one point, like in using the liberal language, it was a safe place for kids to go and just not have to deal with all of the stuff and the politics. LGBTQ plus sex? I mean, this is not for kids. It's not. There's a magical place that you're right. It was safe.

And it hasn't become safe anymore because now you see adults wanting to use a corporation to push their agenda on kids. And also Disney, what they used to do is they would make films and then they would sell them to Netflix or to Amazon Prime. Well, now because they have Disney+, they keep all of their movies in Disney+.

So they're not selling them, generating more revenue by, to the tune of billions of dollars they could sell and have their libraries shown on other platforms. They're not doing that. And by the way, the numbers— Do they make more money just having the subscription for Disney Plus? If Disney Plus is rocking it, yeah. But like you and I, we canceled our Disney Plus subscription. That's right. So that's a real problem for them. And again, the question becomes, well, then again, we saw this with Bud Light.

Listen, I want to drink beer. Get your transgender Dylan Mulvaney out of my, I mean, I don't want to see that. I don't want to, just give me good beer. By the way, if you throw it on a flag and some patriotism. I don't think Bud Light's probably a good beer anyway, but here's the problem, Sean, is these are ESG policy. You don't like any beer, do you? I'm not a big beer drinker, but in any case, ESG policies are what's driving this. And so, so Anheuser-Busch has lots of brands, by the way. They buy up all these brands. They do.

And so in the end, you know, yeah, their sales have dropped. But guess what? They were still out there, you know, promoting pride parades. They were still out there. You know, I'm trying to remember what else they did. There was a second thing that they did. They haven't stopped doing what they were financially punished for doing. And the reason is that even though they take this loss, it's far worse for the company if BlackRock decides to not invest in them or State Street or Vanguard.

And so it's the investment firms that are driving this. And so we're still going to see it. Sales have gone up a bit for their returning for Bud Light. That's because they had massive discounts and basically were giving their beer away for free. But target sales are starting to creep up too. It will be interesting to see if these boycotts continue. Conservatives just tend not to be very groupthink. And right now they're upset.

We're still in Pride Month. We just had over the weekend several parades where there were grown men naked on bicycles with children, you know, waving flags on the sidelines. I mean, you and I have been to parades before, many parades. When you're a member of Congress, you go to a lot of Fourth of July parades, you go to a lot of town festival parades. And these are really family-friendly places. And when you see what you saw, I mean, there needs to be something about children being there. I don't care. Listen, when I was on the real world living in San Francisco, I went to a gay pride parade with some of my roommates down in the Castro district.

I don't recall seeing kids there. And it was, it was a sort of a place for adults. And now, in the effort to normalize this, and again, you're, you have to see the images are unbelievable of grown men, buck naked on bicycles with little children there. And then they're passing out candy to the kids. I mean, it's just it's a debauchery that is really unbelievable. Obviously, the parents are responsible for bringing children to these kinds of events. And that is the concern, right? This is about kids i think most

people um as i said i've been to pride a pride parade before when i was a young woman um i think probably two or three i'm sure i've been to but these are the the line is being crossed because we're seeing both in the schools with drag shows with events like this that are labeled family-friendly, that there's this push towards bringing children into this. And I think people are unhappy with it. I know I am. And again, even going back to Bud Light, a lot of the concern with Dylan Mulvaney, a man who's pretending to be a woman, was that his social media followers were very, very young.

And so it was like Bud Light was trying to use Dylan Mulvaney to access a younger generation, a more youthful generation, many of them probably under 21. That's, again, that's the concern. Why are you targeting children? And so for me, I listen, I vote with my dollar. I don't advocate in boycotts, but for me, it's been, I don't know, years on years, I will not buy anything from Nike.

If there's Nike on anything, I won't buy it. That's true. You've been really consistent on that. I won't buy something from a secondhand store that has Nike on it. Like, they don't, they do not match my values. And when I see someone wear a pair of Nike shoes that I know thinks of the world like I do, I will give them a hard time. Pete Hegseth.

You do give them a hard time. But also, I mean, I think, and I mentioned this before, but this is a silent vote to say I'm not going to buy Bud Light. I don't have to post anything on social media. I don't have to make a public statement. I just vote with my dollar. I don't buy Bud Light. I'm not going to go to Target.

I'm just quietly rejecting, again, their push to send LGBTQ ideology to children in their store. And that's the power of kind of voting with your dollars. You don't have to be public about it. You can just quietly go, I'm going to choose a different path. And it has real impact. So even Disney, parents are voting with their dollars. And so think of this, when the Incredibles came out, right? Oh, I love the Incredibles. Incredibles, great movie. When Incredibles 2 came out in, by the one and two are both great, in 2018, Incredibles 2 made $1.2 billion,

Incredibles 2 made $1.2 billion, $1.2 billion, and it cost about $300,000 to make and advertise. So this is a perfect example. You see what the consumer wants, and yet— And huge profits for your firm. Massive profits for your firm, and yet there's this other incentive called ESG, Yet there's this other incentive called ESG, and those firms are going to drive you to do something that actually is not good for your shareholders, is not good for your bottom line. Can I just take one? So basically ESG, environmental, social, and governance, right? This is a set of standards that a lot of woke elites want to invest by, right? And then companies will go,

well, we need ESG standards in place in our company. So the diversity, equity, and inclusion might be part of that. If you want to be, if you're a company that wants to go public, you have to signal to these investment firms and to everybody that you are, you have ESG policies. Right, and so the issue here is that BlackRock,

Larry Fink is the CEO of BlackRock, State Street as well, or Vanguard. Any one of those three, they're not independently wealthy. They're not investing their own money into Budweiser or Disney or Target. They're actually taking your money. Your retirement cash is going to one of these three firms. By the way, they control trillions of dollars and they're taking your money to make these investments. And then when they make the investment, they tell the firm,

you need to do these certain things that are very liberal, very woke, very ESG, You need to do these certain things that are very liberal, very woke, very ESG, if you want to make sure your salary increases or you get these certain benefits as the C-suite leadership of this corporation. And so corporations comply. Even though it's bad for business, your investors, BlackRock and others, say you have to do this. But the problem is BlackRock is using my money. And what BlackRock is doing with my money, I completely disagree with. And so a lot of times you don't have the ability to get out of a BlackRock because if you're in the Wisconsin

pension fund or retirement fund, I don't know where Wisconsin sends their money, by the way. For example, I only have one avenue. I put my money away, my 500 bucks a month, and they have a firm they partner with, and it could be BlackRock. And that's the problem. There are other options for you, though, like in terms of just everyday commerce, there's an organization or a platform called Public Square. And you can put your location in and it will show you all the businesses around you. It could be restaurants, stores, retail, whatever, that subscribe to a certain value set. And you can try to use your dollars to support those organizations or those businesses. They might love America.

Yeah. So there's a growing demand for that. I hate the fact that we're kind of getting divided in that way. But, you know, we didn't choose this battle, right? It's kind of where we're at. And by the way, you know, yeah, I'm not buying a Target anymore. It means I'm using Amazon more, which I don't think is much better at all. No, not really.

But, you know, what are we going to do? So I want to distinguish one thing, too. So I might choose to vote with my dollar with a Budweiser and also with Nike, but that's a choice because I don't like their values. But with Disney, I'm not just voting with my dollar because I don't like their values. I'm protecting my kids. Yeah, it's a totally different level of things. I don't want my kids to see their garbage.

So I'm like, listen, this is not about them not making money. This is about my kids being exposed to things that I don't think are age appropriate. Exactly. And by the way, buy a business that claims to be in the market for family and child entertainment. So they're just really betraying the trust of so many parents who just had such happy. We have such happy memories from Disney. It's just it's so sad to see this company go down. Maybe one day there will be a new type of, you know, a new type of Disney.

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It's so exciting. I'm telling you, can you believe we're here a year later that the decision came down? What a moment in time for all of us to have that decision come down. And certainly it was a case chosen by God. And everybody was engaged in this case. The prayers, the uplifting, the partnerships, the coalitions. And so never had we seen a case like this in 50 years where everyone rallied together. You could just feel the momentum, again, the uplifting from the power of prayer.

And again, to go all the way through the preparation for the case, the argument, and then to have the decision, you know, to ask the justices to give us that opportunity because we were ready in the States to make our own decisions and then for them to allow us to do that. It's just so exciting. It really is. It is thrilling. You know, I was a product of the Cold War. I imagine you were. So was Rachel.

And I never thought that in my lifetime, the Soviet Union would collapse. And I also thought that Roe v. Wade in my lifetime would never be overturned. And both of them happened. And I don't know if this is divine inspiration, but kind of walk us through the process of the litigation in the case. Well, again, it was an amazing time. When I took office, the case was before the Fifth Circuit, and they had denied enforcement of the 15-week abortion ban here in Mississippi. So we immediately filed our petition for cert to the United States Supreme Court. Well, for 22 times, it was re-enlisted. So the judges kept looking at it. They kept considering it, but they never would until that 22nd time take us. And then when they did, it was just exciting.

They normally come down on a Friday and pick the cases they're going to hear. Well, Friday would come, Friday would go, and they picked us on a Monday. I was like, that's the beginning right there. Just signified great things. My chief of staff gave me a call. I was traveling back. I'd been meeting with my Republican colleagues. And she said, they took our case. And I went, on a Monday?

Like, wow. I was in the airport and all of a sudden I saw my face all over the TV screen. I always say, note to self, look good in the airport. over the TV screen. I always say, note to self, look good in the Air Force. But, you know, immediately, again, God put everybody in the right place at the right time. All the people that were supposed to be involved on this case, the Solicitor General, Scott Stewart, had come to work with us right before we got the Dobbs case. And we never had a solicitor general until I took the office and appointed my first one. She was amazing, but she's also now sitting on the federal bench of the Southern District. So then I got the opportunity to appoint Scott Stewart. So

and the interesting part about that is he'd actually clerked for Justice Thomas. So again, what a guy thing to have someone who had been a clerk, particularly for him, who understood the system. And so, and to get him to come to Mississippi. You know, Lynn, one of the interesting things too, is that we had this situation where before the decision came down, stuff was leaked from the Supreme Court. We still don't know which person, clerk, maybe judge, allowed for this to be leaked. And it doesn't seem like the Supreme Court justice head, Roberts, has any intention of following through and finding out. How do you feel about that? How important do you think it is that we do find out what happened? I mean,

the FBI seems to be leaking a lot of stuff about Donald Trump, but they can't seem to find this person. Look, I agree, Rachel. It is horrific that we would have a leak of our United States Supreme Court. I mean, that should never happen. The institution that should have the utmost integrity and to allow that leak to happen. I mean, it's appalling that they have not gone after the individual or individuals and made it known to all the American people. And then on top of that, not to have prosecuted them. Because if you can now leak, certainly, as we've seen it on so many other different levels through our Department of Justice, FBI, and others, but the United States Supreme Court, I mean, again, we should never

allow that to happen because that just, you know, turns and tarnishes all of our judicial system. It totally does. You know, Lynn, a lot of the left has said once Dobbs came out that abortion was banned, abortion was outlawed. The truth is, the Supreme Court said, you know, we're going to send this back to the states and let states and voters make decisions for themselves. And since the decision came out, we've seen a lot of violence from the left. I mean, you had prayers on the right, but violence on the left, whether it was protesting in front of Supreme Court justices' homes, you know, someone who wanted to come and kill Judge Kavanaugh, to violence against pregnancy centers. You know, the violence hasn't stopped. Has that surprised you, the reaction that the left has had to preserve their right to kill little babies in

the womb? You know, Sean, they are so busy with the fear mongering. And so and then they've taken it to the next level. I mean, all these attacks on individuals, on pregnancy centers should never be happening. And it should have been stopped right away. All those individuals causing harm to our medical profession, those volunteers, anyone that is connected, again, should not be allowed. And we should go after those. We should be prosecuted. We should have immediately said, this is not allowed. We don't do that in our country. However, unfortunately, our Department of Justice has chosen not to look into to seek help and to benefit these victims. They only look the other direction. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I don't know. Obviously, we know

nothing's going to happen. The DOJ, the FBI don't care about domestic terrorists if they are pro-choice. And that's not going to happen. But I do think, and this is something I'm sure you have seen throughout your career as somebody who seeks justice. I think we're all built for justice. And the American people are seeing this two-tiered system, whether it's with the pro-life, the way pro-life and pro-abortion, you know, protesters are treated, even, you know, ones who are peaceful and praying, you know, getting the book thrown at them, getting, you know, FBI agents showing up with guns at their house in front of their kids. And then these other people who are throwing Molotov cocktails at, you know, volunteer centers to help give diapers to ladies who are pregnant, you know, nothing happens to them. And so I don't think people aren't noticing it. People see that there

are two tiers of justice. And I, my only hope, my only prayer is that that will be an issue, whether the left likes it or not in the next election. I agree wholeheartedly. It should not be this two tier system of justice. And we're seeing it, as you said, time and time again. And so, you know, now no matter where you fall, people are not liking that one bit. Because if you can do it in all these different arenas, it could be their philosophy next time that the justice system does not adhere to. And so it is unbelievable, the gap and the two-tier system. You know, Lynn, sometimes I'm surprised. You never know what kind of wire you're sent. And I think you look at Donald Trump, and most people didn't trust or believe that he would do what he would

say he promised to do on the campaign trail to nominate pro-life justices, and he did. And that was a really important piece of the puzzle to overturn Roe v. Wade and give us the Dobbs decision. Again, as I mentioned before, it's now back to the states. I'm not sure where you guys are at in Mississippi, what your state law is, but in all of these states, we're now beyond the courts. We're now advocating to people, making the case to people on the issue of life. How do you see this playing out across the country? How can states be most successful and effective in making the message to tell voters to vote a certain way to protect the unborn and the most vulnerable in our society? Well, I think when we certainly started off with our brief and then in our argument and then

everything we did outreach, we always said this is a case about empowering women and promoting life. You know, that argument had never been made. It was always just whatever your particular state's law was. And we said, no, we're going to talk about this from a holistic approach. We have to help these women. We have to help the children. We have to have next steps. So in our brief and again in our oral argument, that's exactly what we talked about. We said empowerment for the women also comes hand in hand with promoting life. And so as you looked at it from that perspective, then now what would our next steps be? In Mississippi, we had a trigger

law. And as soon as the decision came down, we went back into court and upheld the trigger law, which said that we only have exceptions for the endangerment of the mother's life and for the rape exception. So starting from that, again, that's where we are in our state. And as you said, every state respectively is different. But for Mississippi, we looked and said, we again, that's where we are in our state. And as you said, every state respectively is different. But for Mississippi, we looked and said, all right, we we're going to walk the walk. We said this is about empowering women. This is about helping the children. And what will we do?

Well, as soon as we got finished, you know, we were very strategic all through the Dobbs case. We had a strategic plan, an outreach plan. That's what got us through getting to the oral argument. And then afterwards, outreaching to who are those people that are listening? How would that help in the decision? And we always talked about what would be our next steps when we got there. So after the decision on June 24th, we immediately rallied the teams together here in Mississippi and said, all right, we asked for this job. Now we're going to step up and do it. So we got our plan together. It's called the Empowerment Project. We began meeting with

legislators. We began talking to partners, public, private. We began talking to associations and agencies within the state and said, now how can we best serve these women and their children? And we came up with the Empowerment Project. And I'll tell you, just basically, you know, there are a number of pillars, but things that we saw immediately that could help women and their children. One, we've got to have affordable, accessible, quality child care. You know, child care is outrageous, not just in Mississippi, but across our country. And it's got to be quality because, again, those young children are going to be us one day. So what are we doing to prepare them immediately to be educated and uplifted? Here in Mississippi, it costs more to send an infant and a toddler to daycare for one year than it does to send a student for tuition purposes to one of our fine colleges

and universities. Well, that's just unacceptable. So, child care and then workplace flexibility, really promoting that. I think, you know, COVID was horrible for all of us. However, the one thing it told us was, okay, we can do things a little differently. So, providing that workplace flexibility, not only in state government, but across our state in all different businesses, because those young women, if we don't have some support for them, some flexibilities, we're going to lose them. They're going to go out of the workforce and we're going to miss these great individuals who should be in the workforce. Lynn, what about, you know, we have an example on the national stage of Hunter Biden,

for example, not wanting to pay child support. He flew in on a private jet and said, I don't have enough money to pay for this child that we now know through DNA tests is indeed his child. But that's a really sort of blatant example of it that we see in the public eye, but that's happening all over the place. What are you doing as a state, as an AG, to hold fathers responsible for caring for the children that they have fathered? You know, Rachel, that is a significant pillar that we're working on as well. So we have really enhanced our child support enforcement. Because again, these fathers are not paying. And it's such a disservice. What we've gotten involved in is just trying to help them get the fathers involved. Because 90% of the

non-custodial parents are the fathers. And 50% don't pay a dime. I mean, not just in the state of Mississippi, but across the country. And so you have very small percentages that even pay for these children. Well, that's so wrong to the children. And then it's wrong to the mother who's trying to raise this child by herself. So it gives her no recourse for education, upskilling, because all of her resources are going into financially responsible responsibilities for this child. So for us, the argument is the father should be at least equally responsible financially for their children. So we are pushing very hard for that. We're looking at programs too on how we can help the fathers get involved. And we all know that certainly if the fathers are

involved, that's a healthier environment for that child all the way around. Has the legislator bought into the idea that, you know what, if we're going to promote life, we've got to help with child care. We've got to help with making sure we have laws in place that give workplace flexibility. Have you guys actually passed those laws? You said you have a plan, but have they passed and have they been implemented yet? I know we're only a year on the doves. It's been very successful. We had a great opportunity to work with our legislature in this session alone. They took it as a direct pivot, the empowerment project. They passed a number of bills that are part of changing the dynamics here. Like for

instance, tax credits for childcare. That's extremely important, you know, to help our businesses, to look at how we can, again, help our individuals with tax credits for child care. We had some other issues where we were able to help our pregnancy resource centers and provide more tax credits there. Now, we have almost doubled from the last year. How about some security for our pregnancy centers because they're under attack. It's terrible. You know, Lynn, one of the things that you and I have known each other, we are in many of these pro-life circles because we share the belief that this is the most important human rights issue of our time. And one of the things that you learn when you go to these events that you and I go to is how humble, hardworking, and service-minded these mostly women who work

at these centers are. I mean, they are doing such quiet, amazing work, counseling, getting resources to these women. And it's not just when they come in the first time they follow these women all the way through until these kids are often in school, sometimes even offering scholarships to the children of the women who came in when they go to college. That's how much they care and love about love these women and their children. It gives me so much hope how wonderful these people are to think that they go to work volunteering, really. And they have to face the possibility of violence. It's alarming. And they are true champions. They have given their heart. They're so compassionate.

As you said, they help these women. They help these children. They're supporting them. And I think they must feel the warmth of God because they go in day in and day out. They stand on the sidewalks. They go with that mother. They help through tests or whatever, whatever. And like you said, providing just the resources, whether it's car seats or, you know, diapers.

whether it's car seats or, you know, diapers. So it is it's a shame that we should be worried that as an individual or a group, they go in to take care of our women and our children. And that happens. You know, we've been trying to help our our resource centers, our pregnancy resource centers across our state. Last year, we did a big baby shower for those here in Mississippi, and it was exciting to do that and get some resources because, again, they need all the help they can get. Most of them are not getting it all driven by private donations and not a lot of public funding. Right now, we're doing another donation drive to help our resource centers. I've partnered with eight of my Republican colleagues and Susan B. Anthony and Heartbeat International.

And so we've got like 60 different pregnancy centers right now across our country. And so you can go to my website and you can sign up. So if it's in your particular state and you want to donate, you can go click the list. And it's God's work.

It's God's work. And by the way, Lynn, important for people to know, I mean, the stats are out. Women who have had abortion, they've polled them and over 80% have said, I didn't really want an abortion. What I wanted was more support. And that's what these women are providing. That's what these organizations are doing. And that's why we need to make sure that they feel safe when they go to work and volunteer. And to that point, so we've seen the FBI drop the ball with the attacks that have come on pregnancy centers. Right. In my own my home state of Wisconsin, one of the first attacks happened to one of our pregnancy centers there. We have a Democrat attorney general and governor. They didn't do anything.

The attorney general, the FBI didn't do anything. But you're the top cop of Mississippi. Maybe there's no assaults on your pregnancy centers because they know that you're going to come after them. That could be true. But have you had any, and what are you hearing from other AGs out there? If the feds drop the ball, do we have states that are saying, listen, you may disagree with Dobbs, but we actually agree with peace. You're not going to attack other people because you disagree with the Supreme Court. What's happening in other states with your fellow AGs going after, investigating, making sure that people are held account for the violence against pregnancy centers? Well, it is absolutely a concern.

We have not had those issues. We have great partnerships with our law enforcement here across the state. They have been very good, very protective of our pregnancy centers. So I think that's very empowering for us across the state. But you're right, Sean, there are so many other places where it's not. I mean, people are very fearful. They go in to give up their time, their talents to help these women and children, and they are afraid. Some of the other colleagues, if they have had issues, they've worked with their law enforcement. They've been able to rectify the situation. It's in those extremely blue states, like you said, in your home state, where there

are significant issues. And the law enforcement and the attorney general's office, they just look the other way. They are just not helping. They're not prosecuting. They're not providing that safety net for those workers. We'll have more of this conversation after this. So money is a thing, but it's not everything. I think you really look at the importance of what are you doing with your time?

The conversations that we've had with our financial advisor is very much about building what that framework looks like that helps support those important things. The places where you're investing your time and your resources, your family clearly, and those closest to you. Edward Jones. We do money differently. Visit edwardjones.ca slash different. We're grateful for you. I'm one who believes in courage, and I think courage begets more courage. And a little bit of courage from, you know, one or a small group of people can change the world. The course of history can save thousands, hundreds of thousands of lives. And the Duffys here are grateful for your courage, willing to stand up and be such a

voice for the little babies that have no voice. They don't have lobbyists. They don't have people who are fighting for them. They're not rallying for them. They're the most vulnerable people in our society. And that you had the courage to stand up and fight and bring us victory. We are so grateful for you. I know the pro-lifers, America is grateful for you. And I know that history, and when we look back, whether it's 50 or 100 years from now, they'll look at this and go,

what a great time in American history that we got rid of the scourge or started to get rid of the scourge of abortion. Lynn Finch, the attorney general in Mississippi, thank you so much for joining us. We are so grateful for you. Thank you, Lynn. Thank you. It's an honor. It's great to see you. And thank you for those kind words. I appreciate that from both of you all. You're wonderful. And thank you for all that you do for continuing to share the importance and the message. So thank you, Lynn. Wonderful to see you. God bless. God bless. You know, it's so great to have Lynn on. And, you know, sometimes you closed out talking Thank you, Lynn. was signed and all the work that it took to get there. And when I see Lynn, I see, you know, one of those people, one of those powerful, hardworking abolitionists. She's clearly a

believer in this as a human rights issue of our time. She dedicated her life to law, to, you know, doing what she could do through that capacity to overturn this. And what an amazing moment. I mean, 22 times before it was agreed that the Supreme Court would take this case and then all the preparation. She is an amazing woman. You know, if you look at the course of history, maybe it bends towards justice and goodness. And as you know, I have some pretty skeptical moments about the future.

And sometimes we can look at losses. And I think it's important to celebrate victories. And this was an absolute victory for the unborn. And again, not in every state, but we're saving babies' lives in states across the country. And I think what Lynn said was so important. If you're going to promote life, you have to support moms. And whether it's in the workplace or finding a way to go, how do we help moms who have to go to work? How do we help them with childcare? Or if you have two parents, where are the tax credits to go, maybe one of them wants to stay

home and raise the kids. How wonderful if you had a system in place that could allow for that. It doesn't pay for it, but makes it easier for a family to make that decision. And you can't just, you know, have the job decision that you support and then walk away. You actually have to stand then and go, okay, now there's another role for us to play here. And again, you see them doing it in Mississippi. You see the pregnancy centers doing it as well. And there's a lot of rejection from Republicans because it costs money, right? And we're already overbloated with the budget.

And what Democrats want, you know, is just like K through 12 in the union, they want the pre-K union, right? They want more money flowing into their campaigns with the new union. You don't have to have a union for childcare, right? But you do have to help facilitate and fund for parents their ability to get their child into childcare. And just by the way, and the last point I'd say this is, and obviously I think it's best if you can navigate to be at home with your child. You know, one of the parents. Of course, of course.

Or have the grandparents at home. Not everyone can do that. And it's important that that's something that as a society we should say, we love kids, we love families. And people who have families sometimes need help. And to me, that's a worthwhile way to spend my tax dollars

much better than a lot of the other stuff. We love families and we love kids. Yes. Good point. We do. Yes. And I will say this too. The message is not just that we're saving lives, but the message that's being sent that

there are now 20 some, I think 23 different states that now have either restrictions on abortion or some sort of stricter limits on it, sends a message that this is not to be normalized. The dehumanization of an unborn child, that they deserve to be part of the human family and have all the same rights that we do because they are human. And the more we see inside the womb, something that the left does not want us to see, the pro-abortion movement fights tooth and nail to make sure. The reason they don't like the pregnancy centers isn't because they're passing out diapers. The main reason is because they have 40 ultrasound machines in there now. They have a way to show women the heartbeat inside

them so that the lies that they're telling about, you know, this is just a clump of cells, uh, certainly dissipates when you hear a heartbeat. And then you have people like Stacey Abrams from Georgia, you see little fingers, you see fingers and fingernails, but you see people like Stacey Abrams, a woman who's never had a child in her life. Uh, presumably never had an ultrasound as far as I know, whatever. She's out there trying to tell you, don't believe that heartbeat in that ultrasound. It's fake. It's fake news. They're trying to trick you so you have a baby.

I mean, this is how demented these people are. Science is on our side. We need to keep pushing for more and more advancements and more and more of the technology that is proving the humanity of the child in the womb and giving us more information about fetal development, things that are really hard to deny. And so, you know, this is a moment we should, as you said, celebrate it. So often we do wallow in our losses. This is a time to celebrate. This is a victory for women.

This is a victory for babies. And this is a victory for the truth and for science. Little fetuses are humans. I don't want to sanitize what happens. I think if you have an unplanned pregnancy, it is really scary. Of course it is. And you're young and you don't know what direction you're going. You have a father who doesn't want anything to do with it.

A whole bunch of circumstances can happen. and it is absolutely frightening beyond belief. Yes, it is. And the easy path is for the abortionist to come and just tell you we can take care of that problem. And the more people we talk to, the more people say, listen, I had an unplanned pregnancy, and it was really scary. listen, I had an unplanned pregnancy and it was really scary, but the unplanned joy that I had by making this decision to have this child, I can't imagine my life had I made a different decision. And so I always think that's important to recognize how hard this can be. Of course. I think that's an amazing point for you to make, a really fair point to make. And it's courageous to make the right decision, but also you'll be rewarded by having this little baby.

Right. Whether you keep it or you give it up for adoption, knowing that you did the right thing. And I think what a lot of women think, Sean, is that when they have this unplanned pregnancy, and I've talked to so many women who have chosen life and who have chosen abortion. chosen life and who have chosen abortion. And what those who've chosen abortion thought was that this would be the end of this problem that you so aptly described. But in the end, what ends up happening is it's just the beginning of a whole new set of problems. The number of women who fall into drug abuse and alcohol abuse, the mental anguish, People who have had abortions will tell you, and they have told me, they know the date that they had the abortion. And it doesn't matter whether it's two years later or 32 years later, they are counting the age of what their child, you know, how old

their child would have been. It's painful. It's full of regret. It's full of remorse. And those who choose life will tell you, yeah, those moments were hard, but who regrets a child? No one regrets a child, even when you give it up for adoption. I've even met one of my favorite guests that we've had on Fox and Friends is a man named Ryan Bomberger. He actually runs a foundation. I believe it's called, I want to say it's like the Sunshine Foundation. I hope I didn't get that wrong, but his name is Ryan Bomberger. And he was conceived out of rape. And his mother decided to have him put him up for adoption. He was adopted into a family with like 10 kids. He has like brothers

and sisters of every color. This was this amazing family. And now he's a dad. He has a couple biological and a couple adopted children as well. I mean, it's like this amazing story, how much life has sprung from what we're told should be the exception to abortion. And yet when you meet Ryan, you're like, and I've met him, the world is such a better place because Ryan is there. And he's so grateful to his mother. I think he's connected with his mother as an adult, his biological mother. He loves his adoptive mother.

And just what this beautiful story is. And abortion is just such a dark cloud on all the possibilities that life can bring. And so I'm so glad we had Lynn on. It can't be hard, right? Of course. It's got to be hard. And I don't mean to minimize, but I think it's an apt comparison. But if you're a pro athlete, you work really hard and hopefully you get some great reward for it. In a marriage, you work really hard and you get, if you stick with it and figure it out, there's a great reward with the difficulty of a marriage. And also the reward will come even with the difficulty of making this decision and having this baby. And your course of your life might take a few different changes than you had planned,

but you will sit there and go 10 years, 20 years, 40 years down the road, you go like, that is, thank God I made the right decision. I had the courage to have faith, to take this risk, to bring this life into the world. So- Yeah, well, Lynn said that the name of her program was the Empowerment Program that they had post Roe v. Wade. It's an apt name for that because there's nothing more empowering than overcoming fear and judgment. Yes. And embracing life. And I think it's an amazing decision that millions of women make across the world.

And I'm glad, by the way, that Lynn Fitch is holding these deadbeat dads to account. I love it too. Listen, thank you all for joining us on our podcast. If you like this podcast, you can rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. You can also get it at foxnewspodcast.com. Subscribing is always amazing because you'll get a notice of every time our podcasts come out, which, by the way, is Wednesday, Thursday, and questions and answers with Sean and Rachel on Friday. So, again, thanks for joining us. And thanks to Attorney General Lynn Fitch for joining us. All right.

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