From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Peachy Keenan On How Parents Will Win The War On Woke

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

Sean and Rachel are joined by writer Peachy Keenan, as they discuss her transformation from a liberal college student to a conservative Catholic mother living in Los Angeles and her new book Domestic Extremist: A Practical Guide to Winning the Culture War.   Peachy explains how her upbringing pushed her toward feminism, why her husband was able to get her to convert to Christianity, and shares why she feels that embracing your domestic side will allow parents to take back control of their families and win the war against woke ideology. Follow Sean and Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So you can look and feel good about gifting and wearing them. Shop your wishlist 25% off at Mijeri.com today. Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Sean, so good to be back at the kitchen table and today we have somebody that I'm really excited about. Peachy Keenan, that is the pseudonym for a writer. She's also an editor and she is a mother living deep behind enemy lines in California. I think she's in LA. You're in're in L.A., right, Peachy? Yes, unfortunately for us.

I've lived in L.A. for some time, too. So I know what it's like. And now we get the experience of living behind enemy lines in New Jersey and New York. So we feel your pain. Yeah. She is the author of a book called Domestic Extremists, A Practical Guide to to winning the culture war.

And Peachy, what I love about this book, I just finished it this past week. What I love about it is we talk so much, Sean and I on decided to live a different way than the culture, but also sort of arming you with other ideas of how do you survive. And I think the main message, and you tell me if I'm wrong about this, the main message I gathered is one that Sean and I talk a lot about, which is you really do have a lot more control within the walls of your home as a family unit, as a tribe, than you think you do given all these crazy forces in the culture. Yeah. I mean, that's so true. If you are fortunate enough to have a family and have children, you have to really embrace your role as their primary educator, like the primary authority. I feel like parental authority seems to have been

like become a taboo thing. Like parents are not allowed to say no to the kids, not allowed to say no to certain movies or certain activities. And I think we need to start saying no a lot more to our kids. I mean, yes, like you said, there is a lot of power that we have. It just requires feeling empowered to do it. And I hope that some people, maybe they read the book and they feel a little more courage. We have to, all of us, sort of kind of work together to keep out some of these, I mean, quite insidious, nefarious forces that seem to be at work trying to sort of peel our kids away from us. Yeah, Peach, I think you're right. So the culture in, I mean, every pocket, it seems,

whether it's what they'll watch on Nickelodeon to Disney to what the schools are taking them to, you know, even what if the kids are a little bit older, what they might get in social media on their cell phone. against you. And I have my philosophy has been this. If you want to save America, save your family. And if conservatives save their families, they will actually save America. But it's so often they turn their kids over to the culture and let the culture's value imprint on the child, as opposed to taking their value, spending the time to imprint their values and philosophy on their kids. Yeah. I mean, it's so difficult, but it starts right when you have a baby. You know, the pressure women get from other women and from their work, their boss, to separate yourself from your child, to hand your child over to the child care experts, to the daycare, to whoever, sort of outsource your maternal instinct to someone else.

And, you know, people feel like that's what you're supposed to do. Let the experts take care of it. I don't know how to parent. They know what to do. And so you have this sort of weakened, really over time, this sort of weakened bond with your kids. And you do feel less empowered, less courage to say, hey, wait a second. I don't really like what they're learning there. People feel sort of cowed by, well, they must know better than me, you know, and that's the message you hear from these school board people and these politicians who say, no, no, we know best. We know how to educate your kids. We went to school for this. You don't have a degree in child education, but like, no, where are the parents? Like, it is our job. It is our responsibility. We really don't need them.

And, you know, people just have to sort of navigate their way through it. There are luckily a lot of options for parents to want to sort of opt their kids out. And I recommend people search for those options when they can. Yeah. One of those options for us was to choose a classical school. We have nine kids, Peachy, and it took us a while to figure out what to do about the education. We were sending them to very mediocre Catholic schools

thinking that was enough and eventually educated ourselves to say, no, we want to send our kids to a place that actually reinforces our values. We did a lot of things wrong, Peachy. We got some do-overs. We get a lot of do-overs when you have nine kids. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. We actually do exit interviews with our kids to go, what did we do wrong? What did we do right? What did you like? And it gives us a chance to

improve our game as parents, which I think is a really interesting opportunity. That's amazing. One of the things that I found fascinating about your book is that it seems like you've built up not just a tribe within your family, and I imagine this must be really important in Los Angeles, is that you have a tribe of like-minded other domestic extremist moms to help edify you to go, you know what, you're not crazy for thinking the way you think. How important is it as a parent facing this, this culture to make sure you have that kind of support system around you? I mean, it's really the key to it all. It's really the shortcut. I mean, like you, we made a lot of mistakes with our we have what we only have five. Okay, I'm a

lightweight compared to you guys. You're doing a lot of the heavy lifting but yeah we also we we tried public school we tried very mediocre catholic archdiocese schools and it was just super unsatisfying we were like the only people at these catholic schools who would show up in mass on sunday you know everybody else was sort of like a you know phoning it in catholic and like you that magic word classical um i tell people that's from like the dog whistle for the schools where you know if you like your child's gender they can keep their gender you know by the end of school there's not going to be going to end up on the question going to end up on the fbi list now for what that's right yeah the aclu i mean no really though you become a doma you they do that's why I called the book this, they look at you like this extremist. If you don't want your child, your children to think

there's more than two genders. But yeah, the other people, you know, I like to joke, hell is other people's children. You can do all the, all the education you want, all the values, you know, that you want in your home, but you release your children to other people who are other kids who are being raised in families who may not have any of those values and maybe, you know, have rainbow flags on the house or whatever, or send them to summer camp with those kids. And they're going to come back with a head full of information that you maybe weren't planning. I mean, I remember my third grader learned all about the birds and the bees from some boy at his Catholic school who was just blurting out in very graphic detail to everyone. I mean, you can't really control everything, right? But at least you can control who your

little kids' friends are. And that seems to be so crucial. I mean, we have a network. Luckily, there are like-minded Catholics, even here in blue Los Angeles, that I can, like, I trust them. You know, I trust my boys at a party at their house. There's, I know exactly what I'm going to get. And I think that that is so important and people need to find that. It's hard. It's very difficult, but I think that this book, I hope, makes people understand that, like, they're not alone. There are so many parents like you, and you just have to kind of seek them out. And I mean, look, we moved, you know, we relocated to be kind of closer to this little cocoon that we have here. So what advice do you have for people to say, yeah, how do how do I find like minded, you know, people that have might have kids that

are my kids age that share my values and maybe share our faith. How do you go about doing that? Yeah, it's so tricky. I mean, here, you know, we do a little dance. You know, I worked at a very large entertainment company and I was completely undercover. No one knew who I really thought. That's why I developed the pseudonym because I was alone. I didn't have anyone who shared my beliefs who was, you know, Christian, who was a conservative, like nobody.

And they would have, I would have been immediately fired or canceled. So I've often thought like, if there could only be some kind of like, I don't know, secret password or pin you could wear in public, or you could like see somebody like, oh, you're like me. The easiest way for us was really finding the right school, whether it's a preschool or even a parish, and just connecting people that way. You make so many friends through your children, and you're with them all the way through. And so you better like those people. So I do think there's websites where you can find, I mean, just to get a very practical, classical Catholic schools.

There's many of them. There's networks of that across the country. And I really think that if that's something that you want, you don't want to homeschool, that's really the best answer I have for rainfall. I think it's the most practical answer. You know, the early Christians would use a stick in the sand and trace out a fish. Remember? We're getting to that point now.

How do we trace each other? I know. I know. Right. How do we know we are? I know. I know. Right. So what's fascinating about your story is that you started out as a liberal, really. I mean, you sort of grew up in a non there was no faith in your there was no particular faith that your parents instilled in you, that your mom was a conservative mom in the sense that she took on traditional roles and she was an at-home mom who cooked and cleaned, but there was no faith tradition passed on. And so you kind of just grew up in that you were around the same age and you grew up with MTV.

Maybe you're watching The Real World. It's your fault, Rachel. It's my fault. You're probably watching the real world. Then you go off to college and then you get instilled with what every young girl gets instilled with, which is a lot of feminism. And you somehow found your way. And it was a man who sort of woke you up. Yeah. So let's talk about because we do a lot of, on finding the right man and how that.

So you met a conservative and this change to explain the process. Yeah. Take a bow, Sean, for all the men out there who have who have converted their wives to the dark side. Yeah. So I was. Yeah. Like you said, I was I popped out of college as a half-baked feminist. I was like a militant pro-choice um you know i would i had friends who had abortions i would cheer them on don't worry about it it's nothing don't worry and i was like you said i was raised a devout atheist my my parents were reagan republicans but i rejected that stuff and um we had no i never met anyone who believed in anything ever right so we had christmas but it was like just commercial you

know christmas and um i became a political conservative frankly overnight on 9-11 where i saw college kids burning the american flag that night and i was like so confused by that i didn't know like the depths of like the left like what that meant the anti-americanism and that kind of woke up my like latent uh patriot right so I was like what's going on here I know pro-america and so then um later on my late 20s I met um my future husband and we started dating and falling in love and I was sort of horrified and shocked to discover that he was not only conservative but he was pro-life and he liked, like me, and he was in New York. He was, I know, and he had grown up in Los Angeles, near me, basically. I sort of just missed meeting him here. And he had been a

liberal. He had, like me, his parents were conservative. He had rejected it. He had at one point worked for Bill Clinton, you know, but he had met friends who were, I think, orthodox. And they had sort of talked him out of his pro choice position and kind of talked him into, it was really the influence of these very smart, very reasonable friends who he respected, who kind of changed his mind on things. So just by the process of kind of wooing me and courting me and challenging my very like, you know, hardcore feminist beliefs, he kind of broke me down. And I and I remember one day, just like the feminism, like, you know, fell from my eyes. I was like, Oh, wow. Yeah, abortion is

murder. Wait, what? Oh, no. But you actually said it was kind of, I mean, use your words, it was a little bit sexy to find a man who actually wanted to protect children and women. to find a man who actually wanted to protect children and women. Yeah, women do not look at it that way. A man who is, you know, against abortion is saying to you, like, I want to date you. And let's say we, you know, I get you pregnant. I will I will take care of your baby. I will love you.

Like, wow. Like that to me is like a little bit of an aphrodisiac. It's like you don't you don't get that from liberal men. They're like, don't worry, honey, I'll give you the money to abort my baby. You know, that's a different take on masculinity. And so and then later on, of course, we both converted to Catholicism. And that was like my final stage of becoming a domestic extremist. It's definitely a fast, fast pass. It is. That's right. It sure is. So can you talk to us about how that conversion came about? Yeah. So that was, like I said, we were both at that point, sort of political conservatives. I was socially conservative, but I wasn't religious. I was still an atheist. He had been baptized as a

young, as a baby, and then his parents had fallen away. So we got married with a judge in a backyard. There was no religion still in my life. And then unfortunately, right after we got married, I got pregnant. And then at three months had a miscarriage. And so when you're, you know, your first time out, you're not even thinking about that. You know, maybe look good. You're, it's furthest thing from your mind. No one had no one had prepared me. And we were both like, so shocked, so traumatized. It's devastating, like, oh, my gosh. And the next day after it happened, he just said to me, Honey, I have to convert. I have to go back. I have to become like go back to the church. And so my first reaction was like uh what like what are you talking about like i didn't sign up for this but you know i love him and he's you know so so

devastated like what am i going to say no and so he started the process and just really by him going through the process yet again he sort of led me in to this world that I do nothing about. And, you know, then we had, fortunately, had another baby and another baby, had these beautiful children, we baptized them all. And then by that point, you know, the minute I had, I had three under three at one point. And then as soon as I could find matching shoes, you know, and put on a pair of pants, I went and did RCIA at our local parish also and followed him in. And it's been, I think, just over 10 years now. We'll have more of this conversation after this. This episode is brought to you by Mejuri. From November 25th to December 2nd,

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Yeah. Now they're like, peachy. Well, they're not peachy, but I know. But they're like, what's happened? Yes. Yeah. They were shocked. Yeah, they were shocked.

I mean, when i became a conservative my mother was like oh finally you know um she's a reasonable person and when when we when i became catholic she was shocked she was you know not not appalled she wasn't like angry but she was just like surprised like how do i how did i what do do, did he, did he like, you know, brainwash you? Like, how did you, how did he convince you of this? And then my sister, who I'm very close to, was the same. She's like, was like shocked. She's like, you really believe all that stuff?

So there was, they went along with it. They were nice. They're, you know, they love me. They're nice. They're supportive. And I was giving, I was producing my mother a lot of cute grandkids. So she kind of like went along with it. giving i was producing my mother a lot of cute grandkids so she kind of like went along with it but this really miraculous thing happened where literally last year maybe a year and a half ago

my sister called me out of the blue okay and she said listen i have some big news for you i'm converting to catholicism and i was like it's contagious yeah no and she had gone through like such difficulties during the pandemic, the vaccine and all health problems. And just through the kind of like suffering, she had kind of found her way there also. So, I mean, and now she just got baptized along with her three children this past Easter.

So it's been like amazing. That's a miracle. That's a beautiful story. Now your parents' minds are really blowing. We're like, Mom, you're next. We're good on you. So what are feminist women, those who have bought into the whole idea of maybe not having kids or delaying it or maybe just having one, kids or delaying it or maybe just having one, what are they missing that you have and all of your friends have in that beautiful Christian circle of dissidents inside of Los Angeles

with your secret lives and your sippy cups and your classical schools? What are you guys getting that they're missing out on? I mean, it feels like we have discovered like the secret to life, you know, and they think that they have the secret, which is all about them. And they don't have to do anything for anyone else. And it's very, you know, narcissistic. But they think it's paradise. And they're free. You know, they're free from all the encumbrances that we have. We're saddled with these children. We're punished with these babies.

And so for now, yes, when you have three little kids or four little kids, yeah, your day-to-day life is going to be harder than the woman who has a cat. And that's it. You know, one litter box versus like three kids in diapers. Yes, her day-to-day life will be objectively easier, less expensive for those short, that short period of time, those very few years that fly by. But then over time is when the real benefits start to accrue for women like us. You know, we, we, we, we look at our bounty of children, all the things they're pursuing, all their interests, the adults they're growing into. I have a son who is about to turn 18. This later this year,

and I just it's like, unbelievable to me that I made him and what is he going to do? It's so exciting to me. And then I'm looking down the barrel of hopefully my own crop of grandchildren, you know, before I'm that that much older. And. And it's what a thrill that is to know that you are kind of starting this, you know, mini dynasty, I like to say, and you're going to be remembered, hopefully down through the generations as, you know, the matriarch that, you know, started this sort of line of Catholic kids. I never had that in my family. We're sort of starting from scratch, my husband and I. And yes, it's hard. And yes, it's all this. But the women who do miss out on it, I think are left with some serious regrets at the end that they don't think about. And feminism has led them

to kind of remove themselves from the kind of stream of humanity, of life, of this long, you know, unbroken chain of human beings. And it's very sad. They're choosing the short term out, the instant pleasure versus like the delayed happiness. And I mean, I hear from, I'm sure you hear this, Rachel, all the time. Women, older women will say to you, say like, I wish I had one more. Like, look at all your beautiful kids. I wish I had one more. Do, look at all your beautiful kids. I wish I had one more.

Dozens of people have said that to me and no one's ever said to me, I wish I didn't have that last kid. Yeah. No, that you're absolutely right. In fact, we talk about it often. You know, the number one thing that the doctors that I know that deal with people with end of life will say that those patients say is their biggest regret is not having more kids. How heartbreaking. Yeah. So you're so you're in Los Angeles, you're living this life, you see where, you know, feminism has taken other kids. What what now you've written this book, I am presuming that you're out now. People know who you are. What has been the reaction? Yeah, I was so scared. I mean, I read under a pseudonym for the last four years.

And, you know, I went, I just revealed my face a few weeks ago on Fox News, like live on TV. And I was terrified. I was terrified that people would, you know, be burgeoning down my door or my neighbors would get upset. But lucky for me, like liberals don't watch Fox. They don't they don't they don't watch all of these shows I've been on. And so I haven't really yet received the level of like vitriol, especially from people I know who know me, but who don't know me as PG. I haven't received any like, you know, bricks through the window or Molotov cocktails none of that and instead the reaction has been almost like delight and joy from the people who who know me in my regular life didn't know I was this writer and they'll come up to me and they've been saying like I've been a fan of yours for years I I didn't know it was you and so that has been incredibly

gratifying and very sweet and made me feel great. And I just wow, there is just a huge, huge ocean of people in America who believe the way we think the way we do and also want to rescue their kids from like the kind of moral cesspool that seems to be pulling us all down in it. I mean, we are we are so not alone. It's been like incredibly gratifying. So do you see in California, which is, I don't understand California, but do you see there are a lot of people like you and your husband, you know, that are having kids, that are finding each other? And is that growing? What's happening there? Or are they leaving the city?

Yeah, maybe they're going to Texas or Queens. Yeah, I mean, look, I just anecdotally, we lost, I lost probably 10 families, 10 friends who moved, who left California since 2020. They moved to, where'd they go? A lot went to Tennessee, Texas, Montana, some to the Northeast. A lot of people have left,

but our school has also grown because we have so many parents who have fled their local public schools for the because of vaccine mandates or mask mandates or CRT or all the other the rainbow stuff. So they're kind of flooding our school because there aren't a lot of schools where you can kind of keep that at bay. So it's really a mixed bag. It's hard to really know what the future is for California. There are so many conservatives here. California is so big that really we have more conservatives and Catholics here, frankly, than like, you know, half the red state populations combined. The problem is that we're so outnumbered and it's tragic. And, you know, I mean,

I go back and forth. Like, can California be saved or is it just completely a lost cause? I think we'll have to we'll have to see. I mean, I hate to give up hope yet. Yeah, it's a beautiful state. I lived in California. I went to grad school there. I lived in San Francisco, lived in Los Angeles.

It's a beautiful state. I hate to see it be lost, but it's definitely a big question as to what happens, especially with so many good people end up living, leaving the state. And then those who stay feel so silenced, feel like they can't say what they think. I mean, that was really what was so remarkable to me about your story is that you had to live under this pseudonym for a long time that you were you knew you would lose your livelihood if you actually express the way you are and how your family lives yeah i mean the amazing thing was you know working at a large

entertainment company you know family friendly um the people there were not very family friendly friendly like i was i was already a freak uh they didn't know my politics but the people there were not very family friendly friendly like i was i was already a freak uh they didn't know my politics but the fact that i had uh four kids i had gone back to work when my fourth was in school and then i got pregnant with a fifth and you know that alone marked me as like a complete freak you know i might as well have gone to work like a clown suit um you know i had a co-worker once asked me like well why just like she was she thought she was just curious and she was like well why didn't you abort your this new baby i was six months pregnant or something and

i was like you know they're just a casual work just a casual work discussion about why you didn't abort this baby and they were you know they're so far left everyone there they're good people nothing wrong you know they're not mean or bad really the most of them but they're just so so far gone um and that's what you have here you have you don't really have a lot of reasonable people in the middle you have like a lot of far left people and then you have people like me and you know it's just a constant navigation i mean now you know now that I'm out, I'm no longer in hiding. I don't hide. I don't fear my neighbor. I don't hide from anybody now. I really am like, you know, they can't really cancel me anymore. And so it feels like, you know, I don't know, we're all called to be murderers. And it really

feels like if you're persisting on staying here and you go to mass every Sunday and you're raising your kids like this, you have a bunch of kids and you just fully reject all of the, you know, liberal woke narrative. It does feel like you are a murder. Yeah. That's what we're called to do. Can I ask you about, I heard Rachel talk about this a little bit. I wonder if you have a similar experience, but I wonder if young women see that the promises that are made to them of their bank accounts and their careers and their cats and their lattes, that they might question that at some point and go, well, maybe that's not going to be fulfilling. Maybe I'm going to sit and have a conversation with a woman who has five kids. What is it like why why make that choice

it do do you see that other women um question you are inspired by you to make similar choices yeah drawn or no they're like in california like no i like this is crazy i can never you're in a brown suit yeah nothing i i haven't really gotten that in public that some, you know, left wing woman will approach me. She'll give me a dirty look maybe. But online, it's a different story. I feel like a lot of young women have reached out to me and they're like, I'm liberal, but, you know, I want to get married. I want children. And I really think, you know, this is true. Like,

feminism kind of hoodwinked me, and I'm not happy. So I do get those messages online. It's very difficult to break young women out. It's like a cult, you know, feminism is a cult. It's very difficult to deprogram them. I met, I was at a book event a few weeks ago, you know, kind of my first time out as Peachy. And I was shocked to discover that I have a lot of readers who are young men, like college age guys. And they were coming up to me

and I was signing their books. And they seem to, the Gen Z guys seem to be much more conservative. I mean, they're not all, but they're much more conservative as a cohort than their female peers. And they were telling me some of the tales from college, you know, in grad school and like what girls are like

their age. And it's, it's ugly out there. Okay. It's not, it's not pretty. And so I told them like, look, you guys have to be a little bit like missionaries. You know, you have to just kind of with your like sheer force of your, you know, toxic masculinity, you know, barge into the campus Starbucks, like grab that woman and just sort of just just sort of like court them and woo them in a way that, you know, their male feminist allies will not. And so that does give me hope. And these were guys in California. So that does give me some hope. That gives me hope, too. But you know, the studies are now the polling that's been coming out is that you're right, that the men are becoming more conservative, but the girls are becoming more liberal.

And so that's the gap. Right. But it is really hopeful to hear your story and how we're really hardwired as women to want to have children, to want to be taken care of by a man. It's sort of the way biology is. That doesn't mean you can't pursue your dreams and you can't have a career and you can't have passions. But ultimately, there is an order to things that we are naturally drawn to and that these ideologies like feminism and Marxism and all these things that are trying to pull people away from the natural order of family and femininity and so forth are ultimately going to leave people unfulfilled.

The beginning of your book, you open the book and the first thing you see is your rules. Now, we have a mission statement in our house and we actually just did a podcast about what our family mission statement. When I opened your book and I saw your family mission statement, I thought mine just aren't cheeky enough. I might have to steal some from. Do you mind if I read that? I'm going to read them. Go ahead. I think it'll give people a really good idea. By the way, also, Sean, at the end of the book, she has a test that you can take to find out if you are potentially

a domestic extremist and you know based on if you answer you know so many yes you're maybe in danger um right on the way or you're definitely in i answered correct on all of them i am domestic extremist without a question so here's what it says it says in this house we believe parents are the bosses of their kids amen to that babies are good and more babies are better amen to that dating is for suckers what do you mean by that uh yeah i mean dating seems to become like a hobby that people do on the weekends for their life like as long as it goes right till they're dead dating is not for the sake of dating dating should be you're auditioning a spouse you're auditioning someone you want to be with for your life and

should your dating window you should want to be as short as possible like not as long as possible so just speed things up yeah and i hate when all those parents say, oh, we two are older to have a serious relationship. No, if that's the best part of life, get started. Okay. Next is two genders are plenty. Your career is overrated. I think this is such an important point that you talk about in the book that people begin to create their identity around what they do professionally. And ultimately, the greatest title that we have is parents, you know, mother and father. That's right. And even siblings and children.

So I love that. Feminism is a cop for the unpopular and undateable. Oh, you just really want trouble. And mainstream American culture destroys families. True. And the last one is we are going to win. And so I thought we'd end on that. We are going to win. this cultural revolution. We're seeing the fruits of over 100 years of work of progressivism,

progressivism and Marxism and now globalism, which is added to this. Why are you so sure that we will win? I think that there are yes, they've had 100 year head start on us. The good news is that people have finally started to fight back only very recently, actually, you know, really only with COVID. Did you see parents suddenly taking the reins at public schools, people had let this stuff go for so long and ignored it and let them deal with it. People are now finally feeling like, hey, wait a second, like, what is all this? Like, what are they teaching my kids? And so I do have a lot of hope hope i do know that we'll win because i mean good triumphs over evil and the more that they expose themselves like literally exposing themselves the more that we see who they are and just you know normal people have like a gut reaction to that of like that's gross

like naked men walking around in parades like no that no, that's not, we can't, we're not going to normalize that. Now, some small fraction of the country will, is going along with it. And they're just being led over the cliff. You know, they're just following the Pied Piper, you know, with the rainbow flags. And they're just choosing self-sterilization. They're choosing genetic suicide. I mean, frankly, we're going to outnumber them. It's just going to take some time. But that's why I'm hoping that we can kind of, you know,

convince a few more people to be a little more domestic, you know, have an extra kid. Because over time, I mean, we will win. None of our kids are going to go down that route, you know. So we have all the power with us, I think. Yeah. Embrace your domestic extremism, I guess. Listen, Peachy, Rachel reads a lot. I have not heard more about a book, I think, in years. I've heard her comment and read sections out of your book. So I encourage everyone to get a domestic extremist wish.

You know, Peachy is part of, we've had Noelle Marignan from, you know, the Theology of the Home on our show as well. I guess she's part of your little club, your little group of domestic extremists in California. That's right. You guys sound like a great group. I'd love to have some wine with you guys sometime out there in California. Absolutely. Anytime, Rachel. You're totally invited. Love the book. Love what you're doing. Love what you're putting out into the culture. And I just really appreciate the hope that you're giving to so many people to embrace this, this who we are as women.

Truly, I think this is a book really for women. And it is a practical guide to winning the culture wars, which we're all needing some reinforcement. So Peachy, so thrilled to have you on today. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for what you're doing. Thank you so much. My pleasure.

You guys are great. Love you both. Take care. Bye. We'll have more of this conversation after this. It's really not important to me to have a lot of things to show off, fancy cars, you know, a giant home.

Those things are just not part of who I am, but I've been coached and I've learned through my advisor that it's not one size fits all. Everyone has their own preferences. Everything that I do with Edward Jones is tailored to who I am. Edward Jones, we do money differently. Visit edwardjones.ca slash different. This is great to have her on. And again, I do think these people with courage, and you're one of them also, but with courage that are willing to stand up. But I know, I think that so much of

where we go is led by women and yes, men too, but women who are making really bad decisions are having a huge impact on the culture. And if they were forcing men to make different decisions because the women wanted something else, I think that is the fast track to saving the country. else, I think that is the fast track to saving the country. They say the man is the head, but the woman is the neck, right? I think that's an old Indian, East Indian saying, but it's true. But I think the example that's put out there for women to go, there's that way of the ugly, hairy feminist way that's unhappy with the latte and the cat. Or there's this other thing that's,

yes, it's messy and yes, it's busy. And yes, it can be a lot of work, but it'll give your life way more joy. I think it's a really good dichotomy that's put out and hopefully more women and men are going to make the choices of having a family and investing in, as you always say,

the things that matter. Yeah, the things that matter, the things that last. There's been an experiment with sort of social engineering for, you know, for men, as we talked about, over 100 years. And part of the ism was feminism. And what feminism ended up turning into, it had really great roots. And I really encourage people to go back and look at the roots of feminism, which were, you know, steeped in family and, you know, calling men to their better angels to, you know, not abandon women who, you know, found themselves in, you know, a pregnancy that they didn't expect and calling them to be protectors and nurturers. Instead, it morphed into let's be more like men.

We can be as powerful as men if we just could control our fertility and in many ways just stop being fertile. Or if we did have kids, hand them off to someone else. None of that nursing stuff that ties you to your kids. hand them off to someone else. None of that nursing stuff that ties you to your kids. Hand them off to someone else. Go up that corporate ladder or as Sheryl Sandberg says, put your foot on the gas pedal and never let go. And if you talk to women who have taken those paths, so many of them will tell you they're not happy. And yet this crazy, messy, you know, sticky kid like family environment that, you know, we find ourselves in and Peachy finds her over the long term ends up giving women much

more fulfillment. And yes, the women's movement has done to make that a better place for us. But and the feminist movement deserves some credit in that way. But we must be honest about where it took a wrong turn. And I think that what PG is, is embracing and normalizing and reintroducing to our culture. And what I hope we're doing as well through our podcast is is another way and and you asked her such a great question. Are women coming to you? Are women being drawn to you? And you know that I get this all the time. For as much effort that has been out there in the culture to tell women and girls to follow their careers, to, you know, prioritize that over their love life, over their families, over their children. The truth is that women,

young women are drawn to this. They want to know how can I do it in a way that I don't lose myself, which is a wonderful question to ask. How can I have children and a husband and a family and still pursue my dreams, but still be present and find joy in this thing that I know I'm created to do. And there is a way to do that. And so when you meet people like Peachy Keenan, or you meet Noel Merring from The Theology of the Body, and other people like that, they give you those answers, because the answers aren't in the culture, Sean. So there was a time, we were't in the culture, Sean. So there was a time we were living in Ashland, Wisconsin. I was the DA up there and you started to do, you'd been on The

View doing several co-hosting stints, but we didn't end up in New York. We ended up in Wisconsin. Thank God for that. And you started to do some different projects, and you're doing them from home. And it was this aha moment that we were like, wow, you could be at home in Ashland in technology. Now what, we're going back 18 years. Yeah, it wasn't great technology, but there was enough. It was actually horrible technology, but at that point it was like state of the art. We're like, it's amazing what you can do in Ashland, Wisconsin.

You can be part of the world and still do some work, which is writing. And you did some videos and stuff, too. And be in this place. And have my voice heard. And today, it's that much greater that you know, your family and your faith and your kids. And you can be part of, you know, the workforce pursuing other passions. You can kind of have it all because of the way that technology works today. And also, some will say it's bad, some will say it's good, but there's a lot of flexibility in the workforce today.

Yeah, it's one of the blessings of COVID is there is going to be more flexibility. Now more than ever, you have the ability to kind of have it all. I really hate that word, having it all. I really resist it. No, no, no. I really resist it. You can never have it all. And you can have things at different phases of your life right and and so i've always thought that you could get you know i'm never

going to have the career of say a robber walters who you know had you know put everything into her you didn't want her career exactly i didn't want conservative women are saying is that ultimately you have to. It's great to have all these passions. It's great to want to have your voice heard. And it's very it's wonderful. But ultimately, there has to be a prioritization. The most important, if I say the most important thing in my life is my marriage first and my family second, because the marriage supports the family, then that, that prioritization sort of orders things and allows me then to do what I can

without taking those things out of order. And I think for some women it's going to be being an at-home mom, and I did that for 14 years. And then at one point my kids got to an age where I could dabble in other things and do things differently. But I go back to what I said before, Sean, with Peachy, which was my I know, my identity is first and foremost as a wife and mother and as a Christian. And I'm not going to let this culture take that away from me. And I think that is revolutionary to say that in this day and age, because those are actually, the feminist movement will say are patriarchal things that make me subversive to

you. I think they're very empowering. It's what I want to do. It's what I believe I was made to do. And I think that's that it's not that I just hate the idea you can have it all because it's really hard to have it all. If we could figure out a way to get you to be submissive to me, that would be great. I haven't figured that one out yet. But what I mean by that, Rachel, is if you want to be a full-time mother and have a full-time career, those two things can't exist. No, that's too hard. You can't have it all if that's what having it all means. Right. But I will say at a time when I was in, we were in Wausau, Wisconsin, I was in Congress. And obviously this was much harder because I was going a lot, but you were at home with the kids, but you were also a Fox News contributor. I was going back and forth. And I would say,

you did, you go, listen, I get to be a full-time mom, but I also get to have this part of the, this, the career that I like. A couple days a month, I would fly out to New York to do that. And there was a balance of those two things. Now, we were unbalanced. It was a terrible balance. Because I was gone. But that balance would be one where we're like, do I kind of have it all a little bit?

Yeah, I feel like I do. So that's what I mean by that. It's not that you have 100% of everything, but there's a balance that becomes very satisfying at certain points in life. It was what I needed to do to get to the place I am now, which is much more of a balance where I just work on the

weekends and I have the weekday free to be with people. Do you have it all now? I'm getting there. But listen, I'm 51 years old. The early parts were, that period you described was necessary to get to where I'm at, but it was very hard.

And sometimes when I look back on it, I feel like a little bit of PTSD. That's because I was going to. That's right. It was too much to do, me doing my career and you doing your career and me being home as well.

It was very hard, which is why we ended up getting out. And if you want to hear more about that, we have a whole episode about that. But this is, by the way, why we live in New Jersey. It is why we live here. It's not our preference to live in New Jersey. It's not. I love Wisconsin. But I knew that we had been gone from each other for 10 years when I was in Congress.

And I'm like, I don't want to be separated. See, you don't have it all. You don't get to live in Wisconsin. I in that's that's i do because i'm like i gotta be i gotta i gotta be with my wife and i gotta go to new jersey to be with her and i'm gonna make that decision and i think that i wouldn't change that decision i love you more than wisconsin right that is right that might be the nicest thing you've seriously ever said to me he He didn't say it with a lot of conviction, but just enough to make me feel good. But you know what? That's interesting what you just said, because I just read this article, I think it was in the American Conservative, about why

people aren't having children. And the answer that they got to, they said there's all kinds of forces, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the answer they ultimately came for is that this young generation has not been, I'm going to use the word trained, but I guess formed, to want to sacrifice. And that ultimately, parenthood, motherhood, fatherhood, is about self-sacrifice for a higher good. Now, as Peachy said, the rewards are later on, right? When you get to see your kids, what they turn into, and then you get grandkids. And, you know, that's this whole other phase that you ultimately get to. But the early parts of it, if we're really honest, and I think it's important for women to be really

honest, there is a lot of work involved and it does involve sacrifice. And it does mean you may not get to, you know, go have $15 cocktails after work with your friends at a, you know, super hip, you know, bar afterwards. You may not get a shower every day. Yeah, sometimes, you know, a shower is the only luxury you get and it may not come until 2 p.m.

But the point is that there is sacrifice involved, and a lot of young people don't think they want to make that sacrifice. And that is why I think it's really—and the reason they don't, by the way, is because they're not hearing from the culture about the rewards. You know, people for—since the beginning of time fell in love, got married, had kids very early on. And that was the culture. And then something shifted. And now it's retro, I guess, moms like me and PG and others who are going, listen, there was this other way we used to live. And it actually brings a lot of happiness. And I think that is the counter revolutionary or the countercultural message that her book and that I think a lot of other moms are putting out there right now. And basically walking around with your kids, with your brood

every day. I mean, either, as she said, you people are going to say you look like a band of gypsies or clown show or whatever it is or a lot of other people go wow that that might be what i want how can we make that happen and so that's that's the question can i just maybe nine's a big number for a lot of people you mentioned clown show i just makes me think when when we once a year go to new york when i was in congress for uh for an event and there was one year we went and it would bring our kids every all the kids and it was raining and i had literally i had one baby on the front pack i had one child on my shoulders and i was pushing a stroller so i had i was doing and then i had two little hands that i was holding on to we look and keeping an eye on the ones in front. We looked like a clown show.

It was crazy. But those were, like, I look back, those were some really fun times. It was awesome. I really enjoyed it. And the kids remember, you know, these little trips we took to D.C. those few years. And there was some movie or documentary that was being done on New York City. And I didn't know that was going on. But we're in the documentary on the other side of the street.

And our daughter, Rita, saw it and was like, look everywhere. Yeah, it was some documentary about something. And somebody was recording us on one of those trips as we were just in the crowd of New York. They recorded us as a clown show. But can I just say, you know, this week we're leaving to Wisconsin. You're darn right we are. We're leaving to Wisconsin. We're going up to the lake to do our annual family stay in Wisconsin where we kind of unplug and we have all of our kids.

And not just all of our kids, but it's all the cousins that are coming as well to stay with us. I think we, I counted, there's going to be a total of 15 kids. It's all the cousins that are coming as well to stay with us. I counted, there's going to be a total of 15 kids at the lake with us, just you and I. 13 kids, you and me. No, it'll be 15 plus you and me. And that's a huge number of kids. It's going to be crazy and fun and a lot of water skiing and log rolling and kayaking and canoeing and fishing and barbecues and campfires. And I was thinking about like this big Catholic family that we have with all these extended cousins who want to, you know, be with us at the cabin. And I thought, you know, this is like the Irish Mexican version version of the kennedys it's like the poor man's you know you always think of just the poor man's kennedys but you

know that family also grew up with all these extended cabin yeah you're they're over in like where do they penny but is it can are they in kenny or hyannis point they're or Hyannis Point? Hyannis Port. They're in Hyannis Port. We have the poor man's northern rural Wisconsin version of it. But that is what we aspire to. I guess, you know, look, not everyone's the same. And I understand if people want to take their trip to Paris alone, and that can sound fun as well. But how many of those trips to Paris alone with your spouse or boyfriend can you take before you get there? So if Rachel said, you have a week's vacation and it's July, we can go to Paris or we can go to Hayward, Wisconsin, what would I say? Oh, you would say Hayward, Wisconsin.

There's no, like, you can't get me, I don't know where you could ask me to go. I'm like, I won't go. Like, that's the best place for me to go. I might go to Paris if you said, hey, I got a free trip to go in October or May. But in July, I'm going to Wisconsin. We do like to take a trip alone, you and I, once in a while, which is good. But we're certainly looking forward to this. And again.

The only drawback is usually I get a lot of time up there this summer. I'm not going to get a ton of time. I'm going to get like 10 days. And I had to cobble that together. But I am. And I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait. It's going to get a ton of time. I'm going to get like 10 days. And I had to cobble that together. But I am. And I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait. It's going to be really fun.

Well, embrace your domestic extremist. Embrace the Fourth of July as well. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Listen, I appreciate Peachy for joining us. She's a great example. You're a great example. I appreciate good, strong, centered women. They can help save America with appreciate good, strong, centered women.

They can help save America with some good, strong, centered men. But thanks for joining us on the podcast. Great conversation about domestic extremists, which I think we're probably two of them. Oh, we're definitely. I've told you before, I'm on all kinds of FBI lists. You're on more than one list. I said to somebody, I think I'm on an FBI list. And the answer I got back was, you're on a few of them.

Not just one. All right. Thanks for joining us. Please rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. You can find us at foxnewspodcast.com as well. Again, don't forget to subscribe and be part of the extended Duffy family. Who knows, maybe one year you'll be invited up to Hayward and we'll vacation together. So until next time. Bye, everybody.

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