From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Punish Universities, Not Students For Callous Pro-Palestinian Protests

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

Sean and Rachel are joined by their daughter and writer at The Federalist, Evita Duffy-Alfonso, as they weigh in on college students across the country blaming Israel for the Hamas terror attacks, and how companies are responding to job applicants caught in the controversy. Later, they talk about celebrity news of the day, as they discuss Denise Richards appearing on OnlyFans with her daughter Sami Sheen, and share why they believe this is another sign of the breakdown of family values in the nation. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RachelCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Rachel Campos Duffy. Well, today we have a special guest, our daughter Evita Duffy, and we're going to go through like four different hot topics. A lot of them, some of them you've been hearing about in the news. Some of them have not been so much in the news because the news has been crazy, absolutely crazy and devastating and sad. This first topic, first of all, welcome Evita. We're so glad to have you here. And thanks for having me. This first topic is something that I was especially looking forward to discussing with you because you have a lot of thoughts on it. As somebody who recently graduated from school, we saw protests going on at many of our name brand, most elite universities, you know, pro-Palestine, you know, some of them not even calling out Hamas and the atrocities

and sort of, you know, involving themselves in this debate. And meanwhile, other companies, namely some Wall Street, you know, heads of some big Wall Street companies that often employ these kids from elite colleges were saying, hey, we want to find out who those kids are because we don't want to hire them. And we saw something like this, similar to this back at Stanford University, where there were students who were protesting. I believe he was a judge that came to speak at that university and shutting him down. And other judges and even Supreme Court justices saying, listen, these are not the kind of people that we want to have intern for us. And they want to know who those kids were, too.

So this is sort of a new trend. You come off the college campus. What are your thoughts on the idea in general, or maybe even specifically this situation of students protesting in favor of Palestine. Yeah, I so I have a I have a lot of thoughts on the the CEOs coming in and saying, you know, we're not going to give these kids internships or jobs because of what they did. But I talked to you about this, Mom, because my visceral reaction to that when the news broke was, well, that's exactly what corporate America does to conservative students. Throughout my entire time in college, I had a lot of conservative students who were really afraid to be in college Republican pictures, to have their name signed to Chicago Thinker articles,

because they were afraid that they'd get doxxed in the future. And so I'm hesitant to say let's dox these students. In terms of the actual statements, what really bothered me about them is they were just so oversimplified. They said that they were in support of the Palestinians, but they were unable to condemn Hamas, which is a terrorist organization whose actions are now unleashing utter hell on the Palestinians that these kids claim to support. And then they also use this anti-colonialist Marxist language to sort of oversimplify things and draw these false equivalencies between the Palestinians and then between black people during the BLM movement or indigenous people. And this is really what they have been taught to do in their schools. They're taught to ignore complexities and to view everything through the prism of Marxism. And so my advice to all of these CEOs who want to actually make a change and do something about

these kids is not dox the kids, but actually go after the schools who are causing them to come out with these really insensitive and not very intelligent statements. They have to tell the schools with the power of the purse, we're not going to be donating any more money, giving more blank checks or blindly giving checks to these universities until you guys stop hiring exclusively Marxist professors and until you guys get rid of these fake fields of study like CRT, which is where all of this is stemming from. You know, I look at this and there's a lot of blame and attention on the students who are, to your point, Rachel, they're not just pro-Palestine, but they're actually kind of

pro-Hamas because they won't condemn Hamas, and they're using the Hamas attacks on Israel to then step forward and go, but we really support Palestine. So they get really convoluted very quickly. But this is not just the kids to your point, Avita. This is the professors. This is the administrators. These are all the alumni that donate to these schools. We shouldn't be shocked that you have a radical leftist campus. We all on this podcast know that. If you're a donor to Harvard, you should know the kind of students and the kind of ideology that's taught at Harvard and what kind of young, warped minds coming out of the school. And if you give to that, that's your fault. I'm sorry. And I think the way you stop it, to your point, Avita,

is you do hold back some of that money. I want to talk just briefly about- You're so right. They oversimplify it. Everything is oppressor and oppressed. And I don't know a more complex historically, politically, geopolitically situation than Israel versus Palestine. I mean, there is, you know, Muslim versus Jew. I mean, this area is so hard that even people who are experts in it, you know, find themselves, you know, confused about what should happen next. So, so I mean this is so complex that to look through it with this oppressor versus oppressed mindset this Marxist mindset is just it's just dumb and yeah these these Wall Street guys that go on they love making these don't you know they're rich they love making these these you know contributions and getting buildings named

after them and events named after them and events named after them. And then they're surprised. You give money to Marxists and you wonder why, and you're shocked that they turned out more little Marxists. I mean, it's like crazy. I think in our family, we've had this debate. So if you've come out and said, I can't condemn Hamas and the Hamas terrorist attacks against Israel, that's really Israel's fault. I find that abhorrent, disgusting, right? There's nothing in my fiber that agrees with that statement, right? So the next step is, should they be canceled? Should they not be allowed to get a job after their tenure and their graduation at one of

these universities because of the things that they said? And in my heart, my knee-jerk reaction is, of course, none of these little communists should ever get jobs. They're warped little minds, right? That's my knee-jerk reaction. But to your point, Avita, then I think and I go, you know, the way I feel about these statements from these students in favor of Hamas, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel statements. I'm also like, you know what, I have to imagine there's a lot of people that work in corporate America that feel that exact same way for someone who is a Donald Trump supporter. They never want that Donald Trump supporter or that Republican because they're fascist and they're racist and like all the names. They're deplorables. They'll throw those names at you. And I have to imagine they feel the same way. And to your point, when people look at these things really deeply, they get confused.

You know, after I started to think like that, I started to become very confused about what I actually think myself because the left doesn't play that tactic against Republicans. Though I think it's justified here, I get really concerned about, you know, taking away opportunities from young people if it doesn't have anything to do with the job that they're doing. Right. And like and also, you're 24 years old. I mean, the idea is that I think about what I believed, you know, when I was 19, I would hate to be held professionally liable for everything I thought, you know, when I was 19. Heck, I've changed my point of view since the Iraq war. I'm now very Cindy Sheehan. I want to join Code Pink these days because I'm so anti-war.

I do. I've just become a different person. just become a different person. I think, again, holding 19 year olds accountable professionally for the rest of their lives or stymieing their ability to launch post-college, you know, I am, that does make me uncomfortable. So I think that in the wake of any sort of tragedy where emotions are high, where there was real devastation. We need to be looking at this with nuance, with an eye at history, with calming down and really then addressing the problem, right? And I understand why people are so upset.

I mean, this was a horrific attack on the Israelis. What do we understand now? Evil, evil, evil, evil, the definition of evil. What I think that these students' statements really shows is that they're not thinking about it critically, that they made this really rash. I mean, the day of the attack, these statements came out the day of. They're not really thinking about any of this. They don't have an eye toward history or an eye toward context, which they claim to. These were very rash statements based off of a godless Marxist ideology that they learned from school. So it's really difficult for me to say, let's blame the kids that were indoctrinated and punish them for the rest of their lives.

To be honest, I think that they are victims of a failed system. The university system in America has failed hundreds of thousands of students, and they're destroying our country for generations to come. We should be aiming our fire at the universities. And to that same point, there's been a lot of calls to say, let's have the universities come out with statements to condemn the students. And to that, I say, the reason they're making these statements is because of the university. Why are the universities going to make statements condemning them? And that would, to me, that would be a real betrayal on the part of the universities because it's their fault that these students are now

under fire. The students are just regurgitating what they've been taught. So to the universities, are now under fire. The students are just regurgitating what they've been taught. So to the universities, I say, keep politics out of the administration. Administration should be shrunk down by 98% so they don't have anybody bored enough to be making comments about random student organizations, political statements. And more than that, we should be getting rid of inherently partisan fake fields of study and promoting diversity of thought by hiring professors who have diversity of thought. This is what's going to fix this problem, not going after a bunch of brainwashed 19 year olds. I remember during BLM, there were tons of statements that were political that were coming out of University of Chicago.

And I remember you sending them to me going, why are they getting involved in this? Why are they doing this? And it had a major chilling effect on free speech on campus. I think a lot of people saw the statements that came from not just the provost and the president and the vice president of the university and then all the department heads. We saw all that and we said, wow, we can't say anything about BLM that deviates from this leftist orthodoxy. Otherwise, we're going to be called racist. That is not an environment for college. College is a place where you should be able to say and think whatever you want and explore all these ideas. What's coming, and the reason why all these statements are so uniform, that's another interesting thing.

If you look at Harvard's, if you look at Yale's, if you, all of that, even if you look at UW-Madison, the smaller schools, they are all the same. the language is the same and the thesis is the same. And that's because everything that they're learning is uniform and the same. It's one ideology being pushed on them in every single one of their classes. And then we're shocked when they come out and regurgitate that same ideology. It's just crazy. We're going to punish them for it. What's interesting is that the professors and administrators of the universities, they're savvy enough to know that we probably shouldn't make a statement about what we really think about Palestine versus Israel. We're not going to say what we think about the Hamas tax on the Jews because they know the political response they're going to get from the American

citizenry. And from their donors. But the students, they're not savvy enough. So they actually say what they've been taught, which all the professors and the administrators agree with. And all of a sudden, it blows up. And again, to your point, I do think you're right. This is not about the kids. This is about the universities themselves and the rot, the cancer that is growing in the American university system,

this is a national security threat. And we should all wake up and realize that if we don't address it, we are well on the path to Marxism. One point that you made, Rachel, I think was the idea that these kids have been, and maybe you did too, Avita, they've been indoctrinated and we can't hold them, you know, maybe a little bit to account. It's not their fault. But the problem with indoctrination is, the beauty of indoctrination is, they're probably not going to change their views. They've been indoctrinated now, and to the point of death, they're going to remain indoctrinated. I don't know. Hillary Clinton just said we need to reprogram conservatives. Maybe we can reprogram them. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's unlikely.

A lot of people, you know, come out of college, very liberal. I know this is a deeper ideological thing, but you know, who knows, maybe they wake up one day and, and, and see, you know, what, what's happened, but you're right. It's, it's not that likely. It's not, this is, this is not the 80s and 90s. The indoctrination is much deeper. This isn't your, your mother's Marxism. This is not your mother's father's college campus. Go ahead, Evita. No, I was going to say an interesting development was that there was a lot of kids who were supposedly part of these organizations because in Harvard's case, there were 30 organizations that signed on to one statement. So many of the kids claimed, oh, I didn't approve this. The group approved this letter and I wasn't there and don't dox me.

So they still really care about these internships and these jobs. And now they're backtracking. And I think there were a lot of kids who probably did sign their name onto it and did approve of it. And now they're saying, oh, no, I disavow that because now they're seeing that there's consequences. So to that point, I go ahead. I wonder if they're if they are rethinking the doxing of conservatives for that reason. I doubt it. On that positive note. All right. I think you're right, honey. I think you're right.

We'll have more of this conversation after this. From the Fox News Podcast Network. Stay on top of the latest news and information from fox news listen and download the fox news hourly update on your time the trending stories you need anytime you want it listen and download now by going to foxnewspodcasts.com all right let's move on to this other subject because this one has me. So everything I know about OnlyFan, I know from the Daily Mail, okay? Like every single week, there's another, you know, two or three stories about OnlyFan. And I have become increasingly every single week more alarmed by what its impact is. So for those who don't know, there's like pornography, right? Like people pay a subscription or whatever on the web to, on the internet to look at pornography. And then

there's OnlyFans, which is sort of like homemade porn. A lot of it's soft porn or nudity or sexy pictures, but some of it also, there's also, you know, a porn and sex work angle to it, but it's presented in, uh, what seems to be most appealing are when celebrities, um, join OnlyFans because people kind of know them and now they get to see them in a different way or sort of the the mom next door is a big thing going on right now and so a lot of single moms uh maybe who are facing financial problems and i think the uptick in only mom only fan mom with the the decline of our economy is i bet you could probably see a a correlation between that I think there's an uptick and our economy is definitely down. And these women are resorting to a cheap and very degrading way to

add additional income and in some cases quit their job altogether and just do this while the kids are at school. Some are making a lot of money. This has become very lucrative for a lot of people who get an OnlyFans that are willing to exploit their bodies and make real cash. And the way they make the money, Sean, is they cut out the middleman. So, yeah, there's the OnlyFans site that's getting a cut of what these ladies are doing. But there's also like they don't have to, you know, you don't have to have a big production company or, you know, a director or a writer. I mean, now you're producing your own content in your bedroom while the kids are at school. It's part of this mom's behaving badly thing

that I've been talking about a bit on this show. We did an episode not long ago on the woman who was running for Virginia House Senate. I'm sorry, Virginia House delegates. And she was doing both of them. They weren't on OnlyFans. They were them. They weren't on OnlyFans. They were on a different, similar site. There's other sites, but OnlyFans is the most popular.

Okay, so let me move to this new story, because Denise Richards, who is 52 years old, she's a famous actress. She was married to Charlie Sheen. That's probably what she's most famous for. But she started off in The Bold and the Beautiful, and she is very beautiful. She was in Elvis,

Has Left the Room. She had a small part in Love Actually. But she's most famous for the film The Wild Things, which, you know, came out, I think, in the 90s. And she had that famous on-camera kiss in the swimming pool with Neve Campbell.

So she's kind of, she's done some pretty racy roles herself her and charlie sheen have a daughter named sammy and sammy's only 19 years old and um she's had some you know she was kind of a little bit of a troubled teen as you can imagine being charlie sheen's daughter can't be very easy um and uh he has his own problems right his own issues with prostitutes and all kinds of crazy stuff. And she came out and said, I'm going to become an only only fan person. And immediately, Charlie Sheen, interestingly, was like, no, like the dad in him came out and he was very much opposed to this.

But then her mom, Denise, comes out and says, I think it's very brave of her and I want to support her. And in an act of solidarity with her daughter, she actually joins OnlyFans herself, which, as I said, there's a very high value in OnlyFans for, you know, celebrities, B-list actresses, etc. So she joined and then basically scolds her Charlie Sheen for opposing the daughter being in it, saying, hey, look, you have your own checkered past. I've been in some pretty racy films myself. What's the problem? And then Charlie Sheen comes back and says, OK, you know what? In fact, I'm going to read the statement. I've rethought this. I'm going to read you what he said. Exactly. He said, Denise, the mom mom has illuminated me on a variety of salient points that in my haste i overlooked and dismissed now more than ever it's essential that sammy have a united parental front to rely upon as she embarks on this new adventure from this moment

forward she will have that support abundantly. And so that's the situation. Well, since Denise has joined, the daughter and the mother collaborated on something on OnlyFans. And now just this past week, posted something, a picture of both of them looking very, very sexy and underneath saying, hey, you know, should we collab, should me and Sammy collaborate more? Now this is crossing a Rubicon. So I have my own problems with OnlyFans. I think it's disgusting. I think it's degrading. I think it's a terrible trend but now we're talking about mother-daughter collaborations on OnlyFans

and my concern is not only that it's sick and twisted but that the fact that it's on this particular platform which has become so normalized and it's scary how normalized it is that now we're crossing a Rubicon I wanted to lay that all out for you guys.

Evita, first. Oh, me first. Well, I mean, I think it's really disturbing, is the first thing. I think this is emblematic of everything that we, as Christian conservatives, are fighting against, right? This is a serious degradation of the family, that you have a mother and daughter collaborating on on their own, you know, degradation, public degradation. Right. That they're going to publicly do something this this sort of which in a better world world would be considered really shameful and that they're going to actually shame the father of the family who wanted to protect them from this and protect, you know, his wife and his daughter. I just think it is bizarre. His ex-wife. But it is bizarre and it is abnormal. And I think it's really a sign of societal decline well so here's a couple thoughts so first off um there's your point rachel there's a number of women who join only fans

because um they're in some very trying difficult times i'm not excusing it but i'm saying that's a reality and that's one scenario where someone's like, I can't pay my mortgage. I can't feed my kids. And so I'm going to do this degrading thing and I'm going to make money for it. But Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen as two parents of Sammy Sheen, I can't imagine they're financially strapped.

They're making a choice to say, you know what, we have enough money, but maybe our careers, same as maybe not very talented as an actress. And that's what people were attacking her by saying. You can't make money, you know, kind of in a pure fashion. Yes, that's what people were saying. Denise is a thing of the past. And so how do we become more relevant? Well, we can take our clothes off and we can get news stories and have podcasts talk about it. And we can become far more relevant? Well, we can take our clothes off and we can get news stories and have podcasts talk about it. And we can become far more relevant by being far more salacious. And now to

be clear, I believe that the two of them have said they are not taking all of their clothes off. It'll be very suggestive, but they're... Well, I wouldn't say that. She says... I think Sam has indicated that she will potentially. Yeah. Feel it all in the future when she feels more comfortable. She's getting a boob job. So she says I'll feel more confident after I get. But I think it's interesting as if, again, we talked about about the Internet and social media and the connectivity and some of the beautiful things that can happen with that connectivity. But there's a lot of problems that come.

Way more problems. The connections that we all have and the anonymity that we have, or the false connection we feel to people when we get likes and subscriptions. There was a time that Playboy was a thing, and men, usually men, would get a magazine once a month, whether that was in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. And if they were really salacious, they might get what Hustler or I don't know, one of the magazines are out there, but that was a more provocative magazine. And it was I mean, I don't know who would want to go into a grocery store and buy one of those magazines. Some, you know, dads might get a prescription subscription to it. Well, now it's become so easy that in the comfort of your home

um and on your on the internet you don't have to go to you don't have to go to a grocery store and get the magazine that was you don't have to worry about the mailman dropping it off in your yeah it was it was there was a grocery store or they were like in the plastic cover with a blacked out over you know blacked out covering over the nude part this has become very troubling and again I think it goes back to connection OnlyFans works because men are willing to pay money to feel this certain connection to certain women on OnlyFans and they can request certain things from them by the way I Vita I suggested to mom we do some exploratory investigative research.

She said no, so I have not actually been on OnlyFans. I haven't either. Like I said, everything I know is from Daily Mail. But I did suggest it.

It's a really great point you bring up, though. But the connection that men are looking for is a sign of how lonely men actually are. They're not finding that connection,

that relationship in their everyday lives. And so they feel like they can have it by giving a few dollars to, you know, the Sammy Richards or Denise Richards or the other thousands of women that are on there. That's where they're getting it from. And it's a state of human,

it's an indictment on the human connection in America that exists today or doesn't exist. And I think that's a real problem here. I think that that is an excellent point. I think you actually got to the heart of the issue very quickly. But I want to backtrack just a little bit. So you brought up Playboy. So because OnlyFans allows you to perceive that you're having a connection with this person and they make money

by pretending like they care about what you're you you are in fact some only fans will say they're texting back and forth like like a boyfriend girlfriend style and people are paying for that um if he does yawning over here sorry i'm sorry'm sorry. I'm so tired. I was up at 2.30. She was up at 2.30 because she had to do a Fox & Friends first hit. I know that feeling, Evita. I get it after Fox & Friends is ready. That Playboy has actually seen such a decrease in their business that now they're doing an only, in their business that now they're doing an only state launched an only fan style thing with their play playmate so that the playmates are interacting in the same way as only fans so they'll they're

you know because that's been such a uh uh lucrative exactly a lucrative thing um here's here's my problem with with so much of this and I want to get to the loneliest part. We're going to talk about loneliness in our next topic as well and mental health. But what bothers me about all of this, whether it's Playboy or OnlyFans, is the use of female empowerment language to justify this. And I have seen OnlyFans, women on only fans talk about it as I, you know, I'm so in control and I can, for the first time in my life, I can tell a man that's not appropriate. Don't, you know, text me that, or don't, you know, interact with me in that way or whatever, this idea that somehow this is empowering and then you have these conversations

as well where you have children whose moms are on only fans and their friends find out and you have the you know children who are shamed by it some of them um you know i've read articles of young kids who've committed suicide because they were their friends were teasing them because their mom is doing this it's just crazy evita yeah it is and i i think i really like dad's point about men seeking some sort of validation or connection with women there was a really interesting study that we've talked about where it was like more than half or around half of men have never, like young men, have never approached a woman in person. They've never just gone up and said hi to a woman. And I think that is enabled and fueled by the internet age. We have all of our connection is online and it's sort of, you get the dopamine hits from the likes and from the scrolling and you feel like that's all you need.

But in truth, people are wired toward human connection. And so that's interpersonal, but that's also, you know, relationship wise. that you can actually replace a real partner or a spouse or a boyfriend or girlfriend with something online, that becomes very dangerous, in my opinion. Not to go like super macro on you guys, but I think that that is what leads you to accept government in your life more. And this is actually not a crazy stretch because the Biden administration's U.S., I forget his title, but he's something under health.

He's basically pushing for- He's the Surgeon General, isn't he? No, I'm sorry, he's the Surgeon General. Yes, I'm sorry. Yes. And so he's basically saying that to fix the loneliness crisis that we have in America, we need the government to come in and create these 15 minute communities. it really becomes very dystopian where instead of relying on real people that we know in our lives, we're supplementing it for OnlyFans or even with government surveillance or forced government connections.

And things become very Orwellian. So I think this is a very serious, serious problem. And also the problem of just immediately not having people meeting each other, marrying one another and having children. You can't sustain a population or a civilization like that. And that's why you're seeing in the East, a lot of Muslim families are having a lot of babies. Unfortunately, a lot of Christian or former Christian families aren't, and that's going to be a real problem too. A couple of points. So it's hard for men to walk up and approach a woman that's because there's a rare breed of men who many of us men are friends with that can do then they do it well but were you nervous were you nervous yes

of course i was i was like that's a natural i would rarely do that and those are there were occasions you got more confidence after you were on the real world not even then i'm like yeah women approached me then that was easy i didn't have to it was a reverse but but now they were in this age where men um are now like hyper criticized and you had all of this me too stuff and cancellation it's like it's already scary enough to approach a woman but now you know whether it's at a coffee shop or in school or a lot of people would meet would meet at work those things that have made men crawl into a hole because it's like i don't want to be accused of any of this stuff and it's way easier and safer to be on only fans or some other website than it is to approach the girl who i think is hot you know who sits you know across

the hall from me at work um So that's part of the problem. But another thing, I want to go back to Diane Richards and Charlie Sheen. Your parents are there to protect you, to give you good advice. And all of us kids, when we were kids,

we make poor decisions. That's part of growing up. You make bad decisions. And you want your parents to be the ones that go, listen, I've lived life, bad call, bad decision. You should go in this direction. And instead of having parents that will give Sammy good advice, she has parents who are

incentivizing, encouraging, and buying into the idea that she should take her clothes off for money. That's the exact opposite of what a parent should be doing. It's facilitating and pushing bad behavior as opposed to encouraging better angels to make better choices, better calls. So this is a parenting error. Fail, 100%. Thumbs down, two.

Moms, a good mom does not post a sexy picture with her daughter with the caption, should my mini-me at Sammy Sheen and I do another collab? That is a parenting fail for sure. But the loneliness aspect that Evita was talking about, I think, is only going to get worse with AI. Because now... Maybe it gets better. Perhaps. It may seem more real, but in the end, it's not a real girl. And to your point, you know, the sort of, you know, sexual politics in the office and sexual harassment, all that

makes men less likely to approach women. But so does spending so much of your life online and not having a social life, which we have talked about this all the time. The amount that you and I hounded our parents to go out is exponential to the amount our own kids and most kids hound to go out because they can literally stay home and feel like they're being social if they're on their phones and i think that that is a a totally new phenomena and in youth culture um you know ever since people left because we were all trying to get out their friends and go oh my god my whole life was spent scheming ways to get out of the house to hang out with my friends and and that culture of you remember sean on 90210 where did everyone go to the peach pit yeah they all went to the diet there was like a place where everyone met i bet at hayward it was probably dairy queen or it was hardy's who to hardy's

everyone went to hardy's okay the only place we had in town yeah so the and and when i was in college a lot of us would go to, what's the, Perkins. Because Perkins was open 24 hours, you know. Where do they go on happy days? What was the? Oh, God. And I loved happy days. She doesn't, Evita doesn't know what we're talking about.

I can't remember. They were hanging out. But they were like hangouts that kids all got together. You never have fallen to Evita. So you couldn't, you couldn't actually go hang out and solve me at this place. You all actually had. You actually just went and hoped everyone would show up. Everyone goes there, and whoever shows up is the end.

And that goes back to what we talked about with dating in the 80s and how phones have changed it. But I do think that there is a combination of loneliness, I mean epidemic of loneliness for men and women. Social media influence, the degradation of the family, the degradation of morals, the degradation of our economy. And I think it's all, if you look at OnlyFans to me, it is like the, it is the phenomena that captures everything that's going wrong in America. Yeah. Go ahead, Evita. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say,

I was talking about another social media, a different social media trend, not OnlyFans, with Federalist Culture editor Emily Jasinski, who we love. I love her, too. She and I were both talking about the differences just between

her generation and my generation. So Emily is a full millennial. I am like an older Gen Z-er. And she said we used to use Facebook Messenger where we would all meet somewhere, right? We'd say, okay, we're all good. So instead of there being a hangout where you just hope everybody would show up, you would actually coordinate it. And they used their phones to coordinate events or meeting up. That was what social media was for, to facilitate real-world interactions.

Now, that was not my experience. The real-world interactions were really digital. And there were hardly ever real meetups that were facilitated online. And it got to the point where if you don't have a phone in high school which i didn't have a phone um when i was or at least i didn't have certain apps when i was in like eighth grade or freshman year um it was it was hard to even be social because everything was online so you've reached a point now where you if you try to remove the digital world from your kid's life but everybody else has it in their lives that's their peers, they are really isolated.

And you're in this weird conundrum where it's like, what do I do? And the only answer is to say, well, I'm only going to be friends with other parents whose kids also don't have phones, which is super difficult to find. So it's a real problem for parents. I don't know how they get around it. I mean, if you take the phone away, they have no social life social life if you give them the phone then their life is going to be in the in the digital world i do the the compromise on that is i do think because we we see this with our daughter your sister paloma um we have a computer in the house and we'll find that she'll

try to get on that and she'll we'll let she'll go on there we'll look she's always in there yeah and um we got to pull her out but she doesn't go to bed with it she doesn't wake up with it and yeah she'll go so she gets around not she does not have a phone she doesn't have a phone we just got her phone but it is it's called the gab phone she can text and she can call on it but that's she can't there's no apps there's nothing on it she's complained but she has complained but she had definitely from not she's by the way, she's 15 years old. So she just got that phone with no apps, but texting. She's she's actually really happy.

She feels like, yeah, the gap. She actually feels good about it. This week, she said that she's going. This sounds very 80s. That's why I said yes to it. Of course, she's going after school on Friday with all her friends to the mall, which sounds very familiar to me. That's certainly how we like to spend our Saturdays. But, yeah, she's going to the mall, but she has a phone, but she can't do any hours.

And, again, we're talking about the 80s. We're talking about the problems. And the problems we have today, I think, date back to a superstar of the 80s, Madonna, who rushed, ushered in debauchery. Yeah, Madonna is, Madonna was very formative in my mind. Influenced on Rachel's life. Yeah. So there's a lot of negative about Madonna. If you listen to our podcast, I think two of the songs of Rachel's favorite 80s song from Madonna's song

have been taken. Of course they were. So there was a lot of negatives about Madonna. You didn't mention that you named me after Madonna. No, she is named Evita. I'm in Argentina.

Evita. Oh, Evita. That's kind of true. Or your grandmother. The truth is that Sean's grandmother is Eva. And so we named you Eva. But yeah, the fact that it was also Evita. And so we named you Eva. But yeah, the fact that it was also Evita.

And Evita was a very popular movie not long after you, not being that long before you were born. So that worked out fairly well. It's from based on the musical Evita, of course. And by the way, Madonna was amazing in that movie. She's not amazing in a lot of her movies. She's not a great actress.

Let's talk about Madonna today. Well, let's's not a great actress let's talk about madonna today well let's first talk a little bit about why i don't know let's just let's just break it down just for a second here okay there's a lot of negatives about madonna she's blasphemous she's you know can be raunchy she's all these things i chose to see the positives in madonna and she was very catholic forward if you will. She wore Catholic, she loved the imagery and sort of like everything about Catholic art and imagery. And I always appreciate that. I think that also she was one of the first artists, pop artists to really embrace Hispanic culture. So if you look at at if you listen to her songs if you

watch her videos um so many of them um are take either take place in the barrios of hispanic barrios of new york city or wherever um she also you know has la isla bonita she does things in the in the in the caribbean i mean she's just really if if you loved, I mean, thank you, Madonna. She was the one that sort of started this whole Hispanic pop culture thing, which, you know, she loved our culture. She loved our men. She had her first child with a Cuban American. And anyway, that said, all that said, here's what's interesting about her. She became a multi-multi-millionaire because she is the the most i think the most amazing you know pop icon um of her generation uh and then she with all her money she started all this like health and fitness and she was like macrobiotic and working out all the time and she looked amazing and then something happened to Madonna. Age. And she now has now become a lesson in not aging gracefully because where she could have done all this health stuff to stay healthy and age gracefully and teach all women how to age gracefully.

She decided to go into fillers and I don't know what the heck she's done to her face. But recently she posted, and for those of you who are watching us, we're going to put the picture up for you right now. She posted a picture of herself without any makeup or Instagram filters. It is one of the most shocking pictures I've ever seen. It doesn't look anything like her. It doesn't look anything like what she looked like in the past. It doesn't look like the filtered makeup, um, Madonna. And I first want to say, congratulations to the makeup artists. I mean, the makeup artists who did this, who make her look so good with makeup. I think the filters are part of it too, but it's just, I just, I got so sad seeing

it. I'm just going to be honest. I felt that. So background story. So I was actually about to do the bottom line. I'm looking for the final news stories before we start. And I see this story about Madonna. And I know my wife loves Madonna and talks about her picture without filters or makeup. So I pull it up and I was shocked. I was like, wow, this is the look of Madonna, right? It's scary actually. So as we were about to do this podcast, I'm like, did you see the picture of Madonna? She's like, no, what? Wait, why? And then I'm like, Rachel's all into it.

And pulled it up. If you're listening right now, just Google it. Just Google it. That is why we are talking about Madonna, because she was as shocked as I was about what she looked like. Now, Evita, have you seen the picture of what Madonna looks like? Have you seen this? I have seen the picture. What are your thoughts?

As a young woman. She's what now? By the way, she's 65. Let's be fair about things. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I'm not against women saying, you know, I'm going to get Botox or some fillers or in moderation as they get older. I'm not somebody who's like, they can't do anything whatsoever. But this seems to be excessive to the point of where it, it looks really bad. And it's the same with Cher. Actually, if you look at her pictures,

they look very similar. Who? It almost, Cher. It almost doesn't look human to me. It almost doesn't look human to me. And I think that there is beauty in embracing your age and embracing life. And I'm sorry, I always go macro with all of these things. No, go for it. of Elon Musk and his business with, you know, trying to basically cheat death, to cheat the cycle of life. We do that all the time in our culture, right? We see that with even with IVF, which has, you know, can sometimes help couples conceive, but also sometimes leads to other horrible consequences too. If you, you know, conceive too many children,

right, sometimes they abort multiple. The point is that I think cheating God and cheating life is not natural, and it's not beautiful, and it often leads to a lot of problems. And we're seeing that in society at large, right? A godless society fears death, fears aging, fears natural cycles. And so, and cheating it is really never the answer. And I think her face is the best indication of wanting to go through things naturally. I don't know. That's just sort of my back. I look at this and when you're young, it's easy to be in better shape. It's easier to have, you know, no wrinkles because you don't have wrinkles. Being young is great.

And as you get a little bit older and you go, hey, listen, I want to keep my health, but I also want to look halfway decent. You actually have to work at it. You have to, you know, work out. You have to try to eat better. She is, though. Can I make my point, though? Yes, I'm sorry. I heard a 10-minute diatribe about her.

So let me go. So all those things are challenging. And you're right. She does a lot of those things. She does eat very well. She's giving her credit. I know you are. I know.

But what this tells me is, and I agree with your point, Evita, there's something about trying to age gracefully. And you can try to hold on to your youth, you can work out and you can put creams on your face and your neck and your back and whatever they have whatever you do whatever we do to try to make your skin look good you can do all those things but buy into the idea that I'm going to age and I'm not going to look like I was you know 25. And I think what this shows from Madonna is what she cares about in life, what her premium is, is how I look. It's not about what's in my heart. It's not about the family that I've built. It's not that, as you always mentioned, Rachel,

this is a, this is a way station, right? We're on our way to go somewhere else. And that's the most, this is the most important thing that we do here is try to get to our final home and this was a lot of things to think about as as we age and you have maybe a little more time and a little more wisdom to go through that thought process and if you're stuck on how you look you are missing the boat if that's the one thing that you have to get right in your life, you are lost. And so to Madonna, I'm like, you are not a beacon of, you know, an example of what we should strive for. We should all strive to look good, but we should strive for these other things

that make life whole. Yeah, it is a little easier for a man to say. I agree with that. I agree with that. We should be sober women. Please, please be calm. It is true. We are much more judged by our views.

But Sean, you make such a great point. We'll have more of this conversation after this. A couple of little things I want to say. So first, I love the Oscar Wilde quote, youth is wasted on the young. It's so true. You know, if you're young right now, and I tell young girls all the time,

this, if you know, when I've seen some of our daughters sometimes complain about this or that, I'm like, listen, love it. It doesn't get any better. Embrace your beauty. You're beautiful. You're never going to look better. So youth is wasted on the young. And by the time you figure that out, you know, you're starting to age. So that's the first thing. Second thing on a very, very superficial level, advice to women, take care of your neck. It's the first thing to age. So that's the first thing. Second thing on a very, very superficial level, advice to women, take care of your neck. It's the first thing to go. So if you're going to invest in any creams, neck cream. So that's one little piece of advice for you. But on the macro scale, as Evita says, I look at Madonna and I feel sad. And I feel sad because so much of what Madonna says, if you go through her Instagram and I have, she talks so much.

I know you have not. She talks so much about empowerment and girl power. And she's so focused on the superficial meaning of that. And when you look at what she's done to her face, you're so right, Sean. She has missed the boat. she has missed the entire purpose and meaning of life and and she is um focused on this superficiality there's a certain freedom that actually comes with aging uh when you can let that go you know you know you say it's easy for you to say if you're a man know, don't worry about your beauty.

You know, the younger you are, your beauty has some capital in it. And let's be, you know, fully honest about that. You know, it can, you know, it's something that, you know, will determine who you end up mirroring and all kinds of things that can happen from that. The most wonderful thing about getting older is that you can let go of some of that stuff.

And I think that's where she's missed the boat. And so when I saw that picture, it was both shocking, but it made me very, very sad. Last thoughts, Evita, on that before we... We're going to hit one more topic that is actually related to this. Last thoughts, Evita, on that before we, we're going to hit one more topic. One more topic that is actually related to this. Last thoughts on Madonna. I'll just say it's also probably something easy to say for a woman who doesn't look like

she's aged at all. You look at pictures of you, Mom, and pictures of people that are your own age, and it's incomparable. Wow, that's very nice. It's very, you know, good lighting, good makeup is also helpful. I'm not going to lie. I've had a little Botox here. So, you know, it happened. Um, but I will say that, um, being happy, um, feeling good about your life choices,

which is why I always tell, tell young women, you know, put, you know, think about your family, your love life and your family, what you want your life to be moving forward. Um, there's a lot of people that told me at younger ages when I was raising you, when you were little, that I was throwing my life away. And, um, I I'm really glad I didn't listen to those voices. So many of them were feminist voices. One of them was Barbara Walters herself. Um, you know, and I have no regrets. And I'm so happy for how things turned out. And I think happiness, and as you said, Sean, understanding that this is not our home, that there is another place we're going to, brings a lot of perspective to aging.

And I'm so glad you brought that point up. Can I make one last clarification? You want to talk about Madonna and the War? No, I don't want to be misread. I'm so happy. I do think that we should all try to- Take care of ourselves. Yeah, take care of ourselves and eat well and try to not get fat and try to do all these things. But again, always recognizing that- There's a balance. We're going to get older. We're going to wrinkle. We're not going to have as much muscle.

And that's okay. All those things are okay. It's part of life. And to not hold on to your youth with just such a tight fist, you won't let some of that go. There's nothing worse than when you go to the grocery store and you see those women who are dressing and doing their hair and doing their, their hair and makeup as if they were like three decades younger. I mean, it's just, it's just not attractive. There is beauty in aging, embrace it. If you don't know how to age, you know, gracefully with your wardrobe and so forth, the internet, that's one of the positive things the internet's available for. There's tons

of help there. Um, but aging gracefully and being age appropriate is a beautiful thing. And I wouldn't trade one of these wrinkles for any one of those kids, Sean. All right. Or these gray hairs. Or these gray hairs.

There's not one gray hair that's a lot, but okay. Okay. We have one last topic because Evita wrote a fantastic piece in the Federalist. Evita, what's the title of the piece?

I want to make sure I get it right. Oh, this World Health Day, or I think it's this World Mental Health Day, go for a run. Right, because October 10th is World Health Day, and a lot of celebrities took the opportunity because, you know, mental health is kind of a fashion, you know, it's kind of a trend.

It's fashionable to be, you know, Hyping in, and, you know, the king and of a trend. It's fashionable to be, you know, well, mental health, piping in. And, you know, the, the, the king and queen of this of course is Harry Prince Harry and Meghan Markle who have sort of made it there. Really the centerpiece of their platform is mental health and, and just, you know, what victims they are and how much, you know, the Royal family has, you know, contributed to their mental health decline, whatever, whatever, whatever. But lots of people have used it, like celebrities like Selena Gomez did a mental health post for Mental Health Day on October 10th.

And she took the opportunity to also plug her beauty line while she was out. So you get the point, right? There's a commercialization around it and there's a platform around it. And, but it turns out that there was a study very recently that came out that showed the effects of going for a run or walk are better on your mental health than anxiety pills, which, you know, we live in this big pharma, you know, society where, you know, anytime you have a problem, they have a pill for it. Um, turns out that just as you said, Sean, you know, society where, you know, anytime you have a problem, they have a pill for it. Turns out that just as you said, Sean, being healthy, going for a run, taking care of yourself, that actually contributes to your mental health. So Evita, what was the premise of your, your article? Yeah, I think it was more just common, common wisdom and, and, and everyday

healthy habits are really what's going to help your mental health. And it's no, it's not, it's completely true that we're in a mental health crisis. Gen Z is the most mentally ill generation to date. We saw the rates of various, you know, mental disorders or problems skyrocket during COVID when everybody was in lockdown, not able to go to the gyms. So I think what I really was trying to highlight in the piece is that there's a pill for everything, right? And all these people that are talking about mental health want to talk about it a lot, and your doctor wants to give you a lot of pills for it. But really, the thing that you should be turning to is common sense and what you eat, what you put in your body and how you move has a huge impact on your mental well-being.

This is like proven fact, many studies. Everybody knows that what you eat and how you exercise plays a big role into your mental health. The other thing that I think people don't talk about is faith in your family. We talk about the loneliness crisis. People don't have familial ties. Having a community and human connection has a huge impact on your mental health. Having a faith community, right, that binds you together, that gives you purpose in your life, to guide you in your life, is so important for your mental health. If you don't have any sort of faith guiding you in your

life, your life becomes meaningless. And then you get into these massive existential crises, things become pointless. I think that there's a lot of social norms that we have normalized that are causing the mental health problem that all these people who claim to care about mental health are not talking about. So big pharma doesn't want to tell you to go to church and go for a run. Or have a family. Because then you don't buy their pills and make them rich. And the government, who actually should look at these studies and say, you know what? America's taking too many pills, right? We're over-medicating ourselves. We're going to put out some good advice on how you can address what your actual or perceived mental health issues are. This is what the science says. Go for a run, go to church, make human connection, because big

government is partnered with big pharma. And I think it's so important to have, like, you, Evita, partnered with Big Pharma. And I think it's so important to have like, you Evita highlight stories like this to go, listen, I think America's using mental health as a crutch. I can't find a boyfriend or girlfriend. I have mental health problems. I'm not able to advance my job. I got mental health problems. Like there's a mental health problem for everything out there. And in the end, I'm sure some people do have mental health problems. But maybe it's's a loneliness problem. There's a small fraction of those who actually are saying they have mental health. And again, a healthy lifestyle.

Again, mental health. Go back to the 80s. Same thing. Make connections. Go to church. Get a friend. Have a conversation. Call them.

Don't text them. Go for coffee. You should do a self-help book, Sean. You them. Go for coffee, you know, instead of... I feel like you should do a self-help book, Sean. You have all the answers here. You know what? Honestly, you kind of do. I love all your questions.

These great heroes have given a lot of wisdom. They have. The government says, give us some... We're going to take a lot more money that we don't have from the next generation and do a bunch of government programs that we will lead to more surveillance, will lead to more government intervention in your life, will end up making you more lonely and more isolated. Ibita, really quick, before we go, I think it would be really interesting because you're

young, you wrote this article. What are your healthy lifestyle tips? Like, what do you actually do? Because you're a fairly healthy girl. Yeah. So I first of all, I don't live next to my family, which is really unfortunate. But mom and I talk on the phone all the time. And I talked to dad on the phone. And we talk about moving closer together, don't we? Yes, we do. We talk about that, too. I got married young. I'm not, you know, in this sort of rat race that a lot of, you know, mid 20 somethings find themselves in where they're, you know, either partying really hard or desperately trying to find love. I focused on my love life young and I got married young and I'm really happy. I also I try to eat well. I eat really high in protein. I work out a lot. And my husband and I work out a lot together.

really high in protein. I work out a lot and my husband and I work out a lot together. And I actually work out a lot with my cousin Maddie, um, cause we're training for the Berkey. So I think having a sort of community where we're doing healthy things together, uh, is super important. What's the Berkey for people who don't know what's the Berkey for people? Oh yeah. The Berkey is, is the longest cross country ski race in America in Hayward, Wisconsin, which is dad's hometown. So we're trying to train for it. I've never crossed country skied before. So we're, we're running for now. And the second snow falls, we're going to get our skis out. Um, but I, I think what's, what's really, I, my, my last point about this that I feel like I need to mention is if you think any of this is a conspiracy and that big pharma is really on your side, I think COVID was the biggest indication that it wasn't. During COVID, we knew that eating

well, that exercising, that going outside and having a life would help people not get sick from COVID, right? Especially elderly people who need that kind of human connection. And instead, they put us in lockdown and they pushed this experimental vaccine on us, which made big pharma billions of dollars, which made Big Pharma billions of dollars, which cost the American people a lot of money and also made a lot of people really lonely and really depressed. These are not policies that indicate the government cares about our health or well-being. It indicates that they care about partnerships with Big Pharma corporations and making money.

And that's why whenever they suggest any future problems um in the name of this mental health crisis because they're going to turn into a crisis they always like to like to gain power over a crisis um we know to be skeptical so if you're if you're watching uh you look at avita i've seen pictures of her um she doesn't look like she's as strong as an ox but she actually is she lifts weights like you can't believe oh my god i can't believe how much she can lift just quickly we i was i'm like i'm gonna start working out and so i would with evita and her husband michael i started you know doing whatever i was because we get together in the summer at the cabin and we have a we the garage is turned into a gym and so far

eventually after like 10 days of this she's like so do you want to do a real workout, dad? I'm like, well, so finally she put me on a number of different. The Evita and Michael workout plans. Yep. And actually, it's been really great. And I did that for a year and a half, two years. And you were in the best shape of your life since probably you were in your 30s doing lumberjacks. That's right. I got fat and, you know, doughy during Congress.

Congress is not good for your health. Right. Or your body fat. But then I started doing the Dan Bongino. The Dan Bongino has been a great workout. And then I broke my shoulder and then I have a real workout. So I'm going back to the Congress. Now he's looking like a congressman again. But I'm going to get back to working on my shoulder heels. But you do, you put a premium on working out and eating well and um it's smart to do that at a young age uh both you and michael so i'm super proud of you for doing the berkey can i just say one really quick when i first moved to hayward when i first moved to hayward um i you know thought okay i'm gonna try and embrace northern wisconsin this Arizona girl. And Sean's mother, some people don't know,

is an, I mean, she was an amazing athlete. The first woman to ever complete the World Lopit. That means every single international cross-country marathon race. So one of them is in Hayward, but they're across the world, Japan, and all kinds of places. And she's the first woman.

She did it in her 40s, right? She was in her 40s. And she completed all the races. She's an incredible athlete. I mean, it's like mind boggling how good of an athlete she is. And so when I got to Hayward, she was probably in her 60s then. And I said, you know, I'm going to embrace this. I'm going to do the Berkey too.

I'm going to do what Evita said. So Sean went and got me all this warm because he knows i hate being cold he went and bought me and we were did not have a lot of money no um but he went and bought me like loop on like all this warm stuff so i could do it and then i got the skis and i and then i met my mother-in-law at the place where we're going to begin to train. And, you know, it takes a lot of work to get your clothes on and to get warm and to get your equipment. And we get out there. And I did it. And I realized, I hate this.

I'm cold. It takes too long to get a workout in. I was a spin biker even back then. You know, I still love doing my spin bike. So anyway, I did not have the patience or the stamina or the ability, despite having probably the best instructor I could have ever asked for in his mom. I had one day of cross-country

and I gave up the skis, hung up the skis and decided that I was just going to do my bike. So I'm proud of you for actually doing it. Well, you're going to love it. It's going to be fun. Listen, Evita, thanks for joining us on the podcast. Always fun to do Ron Robbins stories, good conversations.

I always wish I was back up in northern Wisconsin like you are right now. Maybe you'll do the Berkey with her one of these days when your shoulder heals. I'm beyond that. Yes. It would be great. When is the Berkey with her one of these days when your shoulder heals. I'm beyond that. Yes. It would be great. When is the Berkey again? It's the last weekend in February. February.

Yeah. It's like the whole northern Wisconsin gets packed with people. They all come and some big news. So, Amavita, thank you for joining us, sharing your insights, commentary, and thoughts on the topics that people might have missed with the massive news story that's going on with Israel and Hamas' terrorist attack. We appreciate it. You can follow Evita.

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I tried on the last episode of Evita, and he wouldn't let me go. He shut down the Madonna conversation. She was dancing to her. But I brought her back. Brought her back. All right. Bye, Abida. Bye.

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