From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Q & A With The Duffys: Caucuses, Cake & Compromises

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

Just days away from the Iowa Caucuses Sean and Rachel weigh in on former President Trump’s lead in the polls and a story about climate change that has some generations rethinking democracy. Plus, they share their perspective on a story about a wedding reception gone wrong. Follow Sean & Rachel on Twitter: @SeanDuffyWI & @RCamposDuffy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast. She's also my partner in life and she's also my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. I love how you always introduce me like it's WWF. Oh, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Rachel Campos Duffy. So we're here at the studio today, which is our new set. If you're watching us, it is our new set at the studio, but we love to do it at home. I do. The kitchen table is fun, but this is actually pretty cool. It's really snazzy.

It's super upgraded. We're really happy about it. Sean has his show tonight and then I came in because me and Dana decided to set up a dinner with her husband and my husband and then I guess Will and Pete are dating. They're dating tonight. Will and Pete at dinner. We're all going out to dinner. Dana Perino and her husband and my husband and then I guess Will and Pete are dating. They're dating tonight.

Will and Pete at dinner. We're all going out to dinner. That'll be fun. Dana Perino and her husband Peter and Will and Pete and Sean and I. So Sean's going to meet us after his show. So it's kind of a fun... We get adult time now. Yeah, you'll start the dinner.

I'll come in a little later. You'll order for me, hopefully. I will order for you. And poor Dana has to go to Iowa where it's cold and snowy. She has a big park on. She's going to have some warm friends and conversation before she heads out to Iowa. No doubt. Speaking of Iowa, what do you think is going to happen? I know the polls say Donald Trump is going to win

with 52% of the vote, but polls now say that Nikki Haley is surging past Ron DeSantis. But that doesn't mean she's getting close to Donald Trump. No, that's true. Listen, I watched the town halls and all the stuff that Fox did with Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, and then with Donald Trump separately, which, of course, is brilliant on his part to not even lower himself to do with the rest.

I mean, he's a brilliant marketer and i think if you watched it i mean the command he has his ability to um not just be funny and smart and um and just quick on his feet but he was able to talk to like a general like i mean obviously he was appealing to republicans who watching Fox News conservatives, but he also made some plays towards people in the middle and some independents and he can do that because he doesn't really feel like he's in a primary anymore. True. And, but I mean, listen, if we're honest, I mean, I love president Trump's policies, but he was a New York Democrat for most of his life. And so he knows the Democrat lingo. But again, as a conservative, I think no one has done a better job advocating for policies that make our lives better,

offer us more freedom. And the populist movement that he brought into the party, I think, especially when we consider the globalists that are there now, really well, much needed. So where is this search for Nikki Haley coming? Because when I saw people were polled after that town hall they did together, everyone said that Ron DeSantis killed her. Yeah. So listen, money matters, right? So if she spent two to one-

Laura Abrams got mad at you when you said that the other night on her show. But it does. Money does matter. She's like, well, how about Jeb Bush? Jeb Bush had $200 million. Listen, this is a different dynamic. Every race is different. And when you have money on air in Iowa and in New Hampshire, that matters.

People see you on their TV and they're trying to make a decision. There's not a big distinction between maybe the two candidates. I think there's a big distinction. I actually don't think there's a lot of policy difference between Ron DeSantis and Trump. I think what Trump has is more executive experience and a better personality. But to people matters as well as going out and meeting them and traveling the state and doing town halls. You don't think the primary is over? I think Donald Trump is going to walk away with it. Yeah, I 100% agree with you. Yeah, I do think it's over.

But here's what I think is going to be interesting. Can't we just end it and just start? Just end it and just start. Dagan McDowell, my co-host on the bottom line, said today on Outnumbered, she said, all Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are is a pothole and a speed bump on Donald Trump's path to the nomination. Like, get out of the way. Yeah. But here's who I think.

They're protesters on our way through the Lincoln Trump tunnel in New York City. They're blocking the traffic. They're climate protesters of Donald Trump. I think the one that's going to shine brighter than the rest, I'm going on a limb, is going to be Vivek. I think Vivek is going to do better. Now, again. Than people thought.

Vivek going from 6% to 10% is doing much better, but I think he's going to do better than the polls have him at. And again, he's worked. And again, he's got a different think, again, he's got a different set of voters. I think he has a younger voter base. Now the weather's going to be bad. And you know how hard it is when it's cold out, when it's 10 below zero and snow's on the ground, you don't want to go outside when we lived in Wisconsin. I only left to vote for you, Sean. I appreciate that. Those younger voters may not come out. The surge he thinks he may have, which I think he would too, it may not materialize because the weather's, I can sit home, I can drink a beer, I can hang out, I'm watching Netflix,

I'm not going to go caucus tonight. So that could, a lot of variables at play. But Iowa does take this very seriously. I think a lot of Iowans feel like, first of all, the cold for Iowa, the cold for an Arizona girl to go out to vote. It's a big hurdle in Wisconsin. But I think a lot of these Iowans are used to the weather and they feel very proud of their role that they play as the first primary caucus. Well, it's the first contest of the year. And's interesting in iowa um is it's kind of flat and that means that the wind whips when it's cold and the wind is whipping um the um the air temperature drops your body heat evaporates like you're ready to retire and

move to naples it doesn't sound so bad listen my heart's always in wisconsin but a little warmer weather in your heart i've seen sean his heart's in in Wisconsin, but a little warmer weather in those hearty winters. I've seen Sean. His heart's in Wisconsin in July. June, July, and August. September, October's not bad as well. Yeah. But anyway, this is the last podcast we'll do before the primary. I do think Donald Trump does 50 plus, and the dark horse is Vivian.

Yeah. I'm just going to end by saying he hasn't lost his charm. He has not. Yeah. I'm just going to end by saying he hasn't lost his charm. I thought he was he was fantastic when he was on with Brett and Martha at that town hall. I thought he connected with the audience. I mean, I think he did a better job than he did in the past of making it about the voters. You know, I think the early the early, you know, first, maybe even part of the second time that he ran for office, I think, you know, look, let's just face it. He's a, he's a bit of a narcissist. Um, and, um, and he always kind of talked about me and I think there's a maturity that's happened where he, you know, he, he talks about it in terms of what it means for you. And I think you're also seeing he's feisty and he's angry about what's happened to him.

But I think he's channeling it in the right way. And I was really I thought it was I really tried hard to go. You know, I'm a Trump person. I was on the Trump train very early on in the first run. I was. So I really tried hard to kind of put that aside and go, you know, what would another person think? And I just think it's partly that he's charming and he's competent and no one can deny,

you know, that he had the greatest economy in our lifetime. In just a couple of years with the entire force of the swamp fighting him, he still managed to do that. He did. But yet i still think a lot of it is that people are looking at joe biden and what a disaster the democrats are and i mean they were saying oh well you know there was somebody asked in the audience about like you

know the chaos around you it's like we woke up this morning and it was like you know we're fighting in yemen now i, the chaos around the Democrats, the war, the destruction, the violence, the just burning of American cash and treasure and blood all over the place. That's chaos. So not not a mean tweet. So you're talking about the policy and the chaos. Here's something else I think have Democrat management and leadership quaking in their boots. So if you looked at Donald Trump on the stage in that town hall with Brett and Martha, as you mentioned, he was in command. He was funny. He was engaging. He was quick. He didn't. He wasn't stuttering.

You look at that as a Democrat, and then you look at Joe Biden trying to fumble his way through a written speech or someone asked him a question. It is slurring words, messing, messing things up, getting lost in what he was saying and can't complete a thought, can't walk off a stage by himself. You put those two images up and you look at the chaos in the world, the conflict in the world, the troubles that the world faces, and especially America faces. And you think, oh, good gravy. We have trouble with Joe Biden. And Donald Trump, as much as the Democrat might hate him, he was good. And they have to be very, very concerned,

which means, I don't know if they can turn the temperature up higher on him, but I don't know what other tricks they have. They can't do anything else. What else can they do other than take him out? Which, let's hope that doesn't happen. I'll tell you what, Sean. Today, we were getting ready to leave the house. And I said, Sean, I know we're in a rush, but I have to show you this. And Donald Trump had just posted, if you haven't seen it, go online.

It was on Twitter? It was definitely on Truth Social. You know who sent it? Pete Hegseth sent it to me. Pete sent it to me. And it's a video. I don't know if the campaign put it out. Somebody put it out.

Donald Trump retweeted it. But it's basically, it's like a commercial for a convalescent home, a home old folks home but it's the white house and it has great footage great clips um it's just a hoot and and great if it's coming from the campaign um that's brilliantly done so if you get a chance check that out that's really funny we'll have more of this conversation after this welcome to the oil business billy bob thorntnton, Demi Moore, and Jon Hamm star in a new Paramount Plus original series. The world has already convinced itself

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What guilty pleasure are we talking about right now? Guilty pleasure. It wasn't dark chocolate, but boy, if I'm reading the Daily Mail and eating dark chocolate. Heaven. It's heaven. And Bravo's on at the same time. And our bedroom's at 80 degrees and i'm not there and she's like she sleeps with a way too hot oh that's become a problem for sure okay so i was reading the

daily mail and this story came up and i want to just get your reaction to it okay so this girl this woman gets married just i came in late so i have no idea where she's going no no you have no idea so yeah i haven't prepped him at all. He's just hearing this for the first time, just as you guys are hearing it for the first time. I want to get his reaction. So this girl gets married. At the wedding reception, they're doing the cake. And the husband basically smashes the new bride's face into the cake. And she's pissed because she had

told him before, I'm going to give you a little bit more background in a second. She'd said, I don't want you to do that. Smash her face in the cake. She gets pissed off. She slaps him. And basically the reception ends. I mean, like she storms off, you know, it just killed the night. It ruined the night. Okay. Now you, you can imagine you're a bride. You got your hair done. Nowadays, brides all get their makeup done. And this happens at the beginning of the reception. So, it turns out, so anyway, she ends up two days later divorcing him.

So, after it happened, after he pushed her face into the cake, she slapped him and then she left. After he pushed her face into the cake, she slapped him, and then she left. And then his brother forced him to apologize, I guess, before she left. Good brother. Yeah, good brother. Everything was cut short. The festivities were ruined. Everything was ruined. Then she comes to find out that she learns that growing up, he was kind of a bully.

she learns that growing up, he was kind of a bully and that he took pleasure in, you know, seeing people in these sort of horrible, hurting, humiliating situations. So she digested that for a couple of days and she went and filed for divorce. What are your thoughts? So a couple of thoughts. I don't know what I would have thought about before I went through my own daughter's wedding because I wasn't there when you got ready for our wedding. It's a long time ago for me. But I saw... Well, you wouldn't wasn't there when you got ready for our wedding. It's a long time ago for me. But I saw... Well, you wouldn't have been there when I got ready.

Exactly. I wasn't there. I was getting... You were waiting at the church for an hour for me to show up. No, an hour and a half for you to come to the church. It was not an hour and a half.

It's funny. It keeps getting longer. I was an hour late to the wedding. She was an hour and a half way to... No, I was an hour late. I didn't think she was coming. It was bad.

No, no. Yeah. Okay. So that aside... The Duffies were ticked off. I didn't think she was coming. It was bad. No, no. Yeah. Okay. So that, that aside, um, the Duffy's were ticked off. I don't know if she's coming to this wedding.

Here's the good part. Can I just say this? There was an Irish pub next to the church. So they kept, the Irish pub heals all wounds. They're like, we feel better now. Good.

Take your time. We've got a Guinness. So, but I saw what, what, what all the effort that you and Evita put in, not just to the wedding, but also to getting ready that morning, right? I was part of all that. I saw it all. And, and it's a big effort and this is a big day in, in a couple's life, but also, you know, a woman's life. And to think that she doesn't want that, she's not a prankster and you would smash her face in the cake when you know she doesn't like it. That is utter disrespect, right? So that's a warning sign. But to find out later, Rachel, that this man, when he was young,

was a bully and he took pleasure in the bullying of other kids at school, if that's where it was. The problem is she doesn't know her husband or didn't know her fiance. Those are things you should probably learn about someone during the courtship. Nobody's going to go, I want to let you know, over wine, I was a bully growing up. But as you meet his friends, as you meet his family,

stories come up about, listen, I heard about a lot of stories about you. When I told this story to our producer, Devin, she said, yeah, well, you need to know who you're marrying. But I look at it, and I agree. So Devin's right. And Devin and you agree. But I would say, Sean, that marriage is a bit of a crap shoot.

You don't know everything. We agree. And every day, I discover more things about you, good and bad. And that's part of being married. good and bad and that's part of being married and i just think like listen i mean there's a i don't know like there's things about your childhood that i learned later on in life yeah but listen if this is this is a serious thing right and if you get to know someone and their friends and their family this kind of stuff comes out about again this is not like you know you had you know you you didn't

like chicken nuggets when you were in you know eighth grade this is like you're a bully and you took pleasure in bullying those kind that's something big that usually but you've also you've also known people because unlike me sean lived in the same hometown and there are people adults that we've met that are really nice people. And you would go, oh, that guy was so mean to me when I was a kid and took pleasure in it. And so people do change. So I guess the point here is she did see him, you know, looking up pranks. Maybe she didn't know he was so cruel. Now this has happened. She's right to divorce him. So first off, I want to agree with you. And we've said this before.

Marriage is a crapshoot. Literally, I mean, you got to do the best you can to find out the most you can about the person you're going to marry. But what you'll find out, and I think any married couple will say this, is there's so much you didn't know and that you have to navigate with this partner. And hopefully you rolled the dice well, like I did and get a good partner. Listen, I would hope that there was more depth to their relationship before they decided to get married.

And I think two days to say, you know what? You did this to me, you embarrassed me and you were a bully when you were a young man. I think that's a little bit rash. You could take some time. You could have a conversation. You might even go to counseling to go, hey, what's going on here? Is this something we can get through or is this just something, is this what you are? And I don't want to be with that. But I think two days seems to be really quick to say, I'm going to divorce you and we're done because you put cake in my face at our

wedding. And I find it other stuff, but really the offense is cake in the face. Yeah. Not nice. Shouldn't have done it, but I would hope your relationship is deeper than. No, but I think what, what happened, what she's seeing is that it was deeper than a bad decision to put cake in her face, that this is a deeper character flaw. She's been with him for how long? I don't know, a year, two years. She's known this guy well enough to get married to him. She saw who he was, right? And he made a bad decision, put cake in her face, shouldn't have done it. She has every right to be angry, every right to leave the wedding. But to say, I'm going to leave this marriage because you put cake in my face, I think is a step too far. Now, you might get there after

a month, after spending some time to process and think about it, but two days after your wedding and emotions are still high, you're making an emotional decision, not a decision based on facts and thoughtful reflection, which is a big decision to get a divorce. That's what it deserves. I'm going to give you another point of view, which is that I think for a lot of people, and you and I didn't fall for this, but a lot of people, there's a lot of hype around their wedding. And they're more focused on the wedding than they are on the marriage. And it's possible that, and also a lot of people fall in love with falling in love.

And it's possible that she... Falling in love with falling in love. Yeah, people can fall in love with falling in love and not necessarily, they're able to sort of brush aside red flags. And maybe after two days, after what happened to her, after sort of learning this information about kind of who he is at his core

and maybe relatives and friends of his from his past coming forward and going, listen, maybe that cake in the face was what you needed to kind of sort of clear the clouds and finally see the red flags and connect the dots that you weren't connecting before because you were so caught up in being in love and in planning a wedding that you weren't seeing the signs. So who knows? I would say this. Go ahead.

I just say, man, if you're listening out there, it's so stupid. Do not, don't even put a little bit on your bride's face. I think it's disrespectful. I think it's not, it's not funny to anybody. No woman likes that. No woman does. So don't flip and do it. So can I tell you that my station in life and what this makes me think of is her poor father who probably paid for this wedding and paid for the dinner and paid for the dress and paid for the cake. And this was a twoday wedding. I'll be like, listen, I did one for two days.

I don't have the second one. You got it, sister. I'm out. I'm one and done. You can't. I would be pissed if somebody did that to my daughter. I would be so pissed off. But I spent a lot of money on this wedding.

And all our friends came. And you humiliated my daughter in front of our friends? I would be angry at him. But the whole thing would make me angry because i paid for this whole party yes and now i now i'm just so you know what sean and i went to um a wedding once it was our niece's wedding and it was beautiful by the way she's the only daughter so they really just splurged on this wedding. This wedding was so gorgeous. It was at a vineyard in Malibu, and it was just so perfectly executed.

And we were having so much fun. We had flown out to California. All of our kids were there, and we were having so much fun at this wedding. I mean, I'm telling you, this wedding was great. And I'm having fun. I come over to see Sean, and I look at him, and he just isn't having fun. And he doesn't look right. And I'm like, honey, is everything okay?

This happened a while ago. So our Evita, who's now married she's 24 she got married at 22 so evita was probably 11 or 12 years so maybe 12 she was probably 12 yeah she was about 12 years old so this is like many years before you know like she's a little our oldest who's now married was only 12 years old this is when this wedding happened um and so and by the way we have six girls and we have three boys um so anyway i go over to sean and he's not looking like he's having fun and i'm like honey is everything okay and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is how much do you think this wedding costs? And at that moment, I realized that he was thinking,

I've got six girls. Well, maybe at the time you had five, five, five girls. Four or five, yeah. Four or five. Four or five girls. Michael was not there, so I think it was four. Yeah, maybe four girls. And he was just thinking in his mind, how is this wedding and the the kids are like in elementary school and he's going how he's he's not enjoying the wedding because he's thinking about how he's going to afford the the next four but now we know six weddings so just to be clear it was painful enough to find the money to fly all of us and the kids out to the wedding barely afford to do that.

You're right. Let alone thinking, how do I actually pay for a wedding? I mean, that's just... You were a decade out. Stressful. Really stressful stuff. And again, we had a great celebration for Evita and Michael's wedding. It was fun.

It was wonderful. I shouldn't have been stressed at that wedding because I had enough to pay for this wedding. By the way, great omen on our daughter got married. It was fun. It was wonderful. And I was able to, I had the, I shouldn't have been stressed at that wedding because I had enough to pay for this wedding. By the way, great omen on our daughter's wedding. On our daughter's wedding day, the morning that we were getting everyone ready, our phone starts blowing up. I mean, our phone is blowing up. Blowing up. And it turns out that that morning was the morning that Roe versus Wade was overturned. And all of our phones were blowing up.

Everyone in our families were so overjoyed. Everyone thought, oh, my gosh, this is going, this is the greatest sign ever. And then our priest called. And our priest said, don't worry. He's like, listen, I just heard the news. It's so fantastic. We're so overjoyed. We're going to get security.

We don't know. Like there could be weird protests or could be, you know, something could happen today because, you know, Roe versus Wade overturned. And I said to him, I said, don't worry. Dan Bongino is a guest at this wedding. We got this. We're fine. We're fine.

We'll wait right there. We'll have more of this conversation next. So can I bring up one last question to you for the podcast? Okay. So Time Magazine recently asked a question. And by the way, Time is a rag of garbage, which is why I think it might just be online now. I don't think it's going to be longer. It used to be like my parents subscribed.

They subscribed only to Time. It used to be like my parents subscribed. They subscribed only to Time. They ask if democracy is good for climate change. Is democracy good for climate change? Wow. Wow. No question is giving you more insight into the liberal mind than that.

Is democracy good for climate change? They ask the question, but I believe that Democrats in their own minds have already answered that question. And the answer for them is no, democracy is not good for climate change, which means we have to cash democracy in all the while we're going to blame Republicans for being a threat to democracy and go with a new system. But that they're saying this out loud, they're actually, they're saying what all these Democrats are contemplating, because giving people the freedom to choose how they live, if they fly, if they drive, what kind of house they have, what kind of food they eat, that kind of freedom, if you truly believe in climate change,

doesn't work. And I think at the highest levels, they don't believe in climate. There was a video yesterday I watched of John Kerry. I don't know where he was flying, but he was walking up the stairs to one of the Air Force jets. And it wasn't one of the small Air Force jets. Massive Air Force jet that John Kerry is getting on. I don't know where he's going to fly. Probably to a climate conference. These people have no reservation about being massive polluters, but we have to change in

democracy to make sure that we can affect climate change. Sean, they are saying that because they know it will work with young people. I mean, think about how many, when they poll young people about whether hate speech should be censored, whether free speech, when they poll young people about whether hate speech should be censored, whether free speech. When you poll young people about free speech on college campuses, which used to be the bastion of free speech, where everyone wanted to be able to say anything they wanted to say. The place where they have had the most effect in changing the minds of young Americans to believe that speech should be monitored because we don't want to hurt people's feelings. That is strongest on college campuses. That headline is, is democracy good for climate change? We have an entire generation, multi-generations now, I would say millennials on down to Gen Z, down to Alpha, these are all fully indoctrinated, these generations, on the climate religion. And

they believe the world's going to end. They care more about the planet than they care about their freedom. And they believe that humans are a threat to the planet as opposed to the greatest blessing to the planet and people who should command the planet. So it is interesting, but I actually think as crazy and as obscene as this sounds to your ears as a Gen Xer, Sean, that going into the ears of a millennial, of an alpha and a Gen Zer does not sound so strange. That's actually what's so frightening to me. It is. And I think if you're one of these Gen Z-ers, millennials, as you give up your freedom, as you give up your democracy, you're going to tell

yourself and everyone around you that you're preserving democracy as you give it up. And once you give up your democracy and you're like, hey, maybe I want that back. Once you give it up, you do not get that power back from the elites. Oh, no, they are building a digital prison for us. And it is they're setting all the pieces in place. And one of their main tools for building that digital prison and this authoritarian feudal state that they want us to live in is climate change. That is one of their key things for forming that authoritarian structure. And once the structure is in place, it's turnkey. They're going to turn it. You're locked into there. You're just like the Chinese. And this is what they're building for us now, a social credit

score. There's going to be digital currency. You're going to use the climate excuse to monitor, to basically ration what you can eat, what you can consume, where you can live, what kind of car you can have, if you even have a car. All of it will be controlled with this excuse of the climate. But the first step, Sean, was convincing now three generations of young Americans that the climate is worth throwing away their freedom for. And I imagine we have some people listening to our podcast who might go, listen, the Duffies are crazy. Climate change is real and the world's going to end. You got to ask yourself a couple of questions. If the debate is over, that they won't let a debate happen about climate change, something's wrong with the power and strength of their debate. Science has never settled. It's never settled. Or if you look at

how most of these studies are funded by the government, and if you're a scientist who comes up with the wrong answers in your study, you will never be funded again. And so you have to come up with the right data that supports the regime's viewpoint on climate change if you ever want to have additional funding in the future. So remarkably, all these studies are done and they come up with the same solutions that climate change is happening. It's real. The world's going to end. same solutions that climate change is happening. It's real. The world's going to end. There's going to be rain bombs and Florida is going to be just a little sliver of land because the oceans have risen so much. But the truth is we should be able to have a debate. We should hear what are the

other scientists say. And climate change is interesting because we have extreme weather in America and around the world. There's extreme we have tornadoes we have hurricanes we have snowstorms we have droughts we have rain and we're able to track them better than we ever have because of technology and and this is how this this planet and this continent actually works and when you get any extreme weather they can go see climate change climate change climate change and you and you have no real data to push back on it and so everyone without any information is powerless to make the argument against them because they've co-opted bought off all of these scientists who say the same thing that the regime and they have literally thrown out of the field any of the dissenters so you know it's easy to say we have consensus

when you've literally canceled, censored, and discredited anyone who challenges the climate, you know, narrative. And so this is a scary thing. It is interesting they are saying the quiet part out loud. That's so true.

So if you want want this is a time magazine article the title is it's it's it's the world's biggest election year is democracy good for climate change pull it up uh this is scary stuff but they are as you're about to your point rachel's saying this stuff out loud uh listen uh fun podcast crazy day um as we've been running all over doing a ton of your show right now i gotta run yeah i'm gonna go. I got to run, yeah. I'm going to go get out of my sweatpants and get ready for dinner. And I don't know what kind of shirt you're wearing in this podcast.

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