From the Kitchen Table: The Duffys - Q&A With the Duffys: Reacting to Former President Trump’s Verdict — Is It Lights Out For America?

Episode Date: June 1, 2024

Yesterday, America experienced a rush of emotions after former President Donald Trump was found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, becoming the first United States President to be convicted of a felony. So what does this mean for the election come November? And more importantly, what does this mean for the American psyche as a whole? Sean and Rachel sit down and unpack their thoughts on the verdict in this case, how they believe it will impact who becomes our next president, and why they feel this entire trial revealed major cracks in our country's foundation. Follow Martha on X: @MarthaMacCallum Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, welcome to From the Kitchen Table. I'm Sean Duffy along with my co-host for the podcast, my partner in life, and my wife, Rachel Campos Duffy. Sean, it's great to be back at the kitchen table. Of course, our country is different today. Maybe it's always it's been different for a while, but we have all the proof we need in the verdict that came down yesterday. Thirty four counts guilty on all charges for the former president, Donald Trump. for the former president donald trump and um i noticed when we when we got up on for those of you who are watching us and not listening to us we're both wearing black um not on purpose but i

did have i'll make the same comment i noticed we look like we're both it was not intentional but i'll tell you what i had friends write me um text me and say multiple friends say i'm flying my flag um at half mast and some of them took their flags down and said it just doesn't mean anything to me anymore today um what does it mean to be america and i think that's the situation i think a lot of us sort of woke up a little bit shell-shocked by what happened even though we knew it was a real possibility. You're in Manhattan, and you've got a jury of 12 people who probably hate the president, because everybody in Manhattan does, and he couldn't get a trial anywhere else, and it came back guilty. But it just feels like we're in Latin America or Russia or we're in Cuba. I mean, what the hell is going on here? Russia or, you know, we're in Cuba. I mean, what the hell is going on here?

So that's why in this conversation, Rachel, there's a lot of focus that's on the evidence that came in and the unfairness of the judge and the sort of legal stuff, right? Yeah. And if you focus so hard on that, you can't pull your head up and look around and say, what's happened? What's been going on? Thank thank you what are the telltale signs that we should have seen that would no doubt lead us to what happened yesterday and with what's happening here in america is this the first time that these kind of things have happened in countries around the world and i know you know that the answer is obviously no and And you being Hispanic, you oftentimes talk about and talk to people who will talk about this is not foreign. Prosecuting, persecuting your political enemies, using the police state to target the dissidents, the people who don't agree with your agenda. This is what happens in places that

don't have freedom, places that don't have rule of law, places that don't have protections for the minorities. And so I think that I want to take the conversation there. Let's not focus. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's a lot of great experts, Jonathan Turley and Andrew McCarthy and Judge Jeanine Pirro has been doing a fantastic job out there. So has Trey Gowdy. And Trey Gowdy, breaking down the legal, legal stuff about this. We're not going to do that, even though we are with a lawyer who has been analyzing and breaking down the case on the bottom line, on Outnumbered, on other shows, on Fox. on Outnumbered, on other shows on Fox. But that's not what we're going to do today, because I think, as you said, Sean, we need to pull our heads out of the legal details to go what actually just happened to our country, because I believe that they were going after

Donald Trump. But in the end, they ended up hurting us. They ended up hurting our country. They ended up hurting our reputation. I don't know if you know this, and I want to bring up two things, because you mentioned Latin America. Right now in Latin America, even before this verdict came out, I can't imagine how much worse it is now that this verdict has come out. But already in Latin America, when somebody is being persecuted politically, when the party in power is persecuting the political opposition, preventing them from running for office, preventing them from campaigning, putting them on house arrest. This is the kind of stuff that happens in Latin America. They'll say, oh, this person is being trumped. That's the phrase. And now, believe me, that is going to be definitely the case from here

forward. The other thing I was going to say is, Sean, one of our earliest podcasts, we brought on a couple of Venezuelan dissidents onto our podcast. And I asked them the question, when did you know that it was over in Venezuela? When did you know that you know what hit the fan, that things were really bad to the point that you had to escape, that you needed to leave? That there was no turning back, that this was just the end of any sense of fairness, of democracy, that it was over for the country. And they said when the justice system was weaponized against the opposition, when we started to see that, then we knew it was over and we needed to get out. And I think there's a lot of Americans right now. I would like to know what Bitcoin was at today. I would like to know how many Zillow searches there were for places outside of the country or in red states instead of blue states.

I bet in the next coming days we're going to get that kind of information because I think people are worried. So those who aren't watching us, I'm going to tell you what the price of Bitcoin is off the top of my head. It's in the high 67,000. It's down a little bit today. Not substantially. And so I would tell you that this decision hasn't moved Bitcoin. But I think on searches for places outside the country, I'm sure those have spiked. Or red state properties. Texas. Texas property. Because

this happened in New York, Sean. And there were already a lot of businesses I started to see on Twitter, CEOs, people who own businesses in New York saying maybe we need to get out because maybe we're next. unsecure server. And actually, those unsecure documents went to people who didn't have classified clearances, like Huma Abedin. And Anthony Weiner, I think, had some of those as well. At Trump rallies, there'd be chants, lock him up, lock her up, lock her up, right? Those chants were commonplace. And I did some of those speeches. And people would chant and I would join in the chant of lock her up. And I think it was, I think, five days after the election, a week after the election, I was on Fox doing an interview with Megyn Kelly. And she asked, are you guys, I was a member of Congress, and are you going to

lock her up? And I said, no, of course, we're not gonna lock her up. Not because she didn't commit a crime, but because what that would do to the country. By the way, she tried to play gotcha with me. She played a video of us chanting, me leading a chant to lock her up, right, during the campaign. I forgot about that, yeah. And I'm like, come on, really?

So I didn't like that. But I was like, no, because it destroys something in this country, even though she did commit crimes, and she fairly, by the way, crimes that don't even compare to what happened with the verdict yesterday. But something is broken. If there's an appearance even in the country that the party that wins goes after the party that's vanquished. And so all of us were like, that's not what we do in this in America.

And we didn't. Donald Trump didn't. His DOJ did not. Something will change, though, moving forward forever in this country. I think you're going to have political retribution on all sides, and it'll look far more like Latin America than what it has been in the past, which is America. That's one point. The second is, this is analogous to free speech. The law is analogous to free speech in that we don't protect speech that we love, but not the speech we hate. We protect the speech that we hate.

That's what's so hard about protecting free speech. And when we've seen liberals let that free speech denigrate and say, well, we're going to act. Speech is hate. Right. You can be prosecuted for the words that you say. Now, even sometimes what you think you can be prosecuted. This was a telltale sign also that the law, too, wouldn't protect those who who fall in disfavor with the powerful. And we saw that with Donald Trump. The law did not protect him and protect his rights. Just like free speech. That's what liberals do. They destroy everything. Everything rots. They absolutely do. But there is responsibility to spread around here, Sean. Yes, there is. And I know you want to talk about members of Congress, how Congress has failed.

But before we get there, I want to talk about Republican voters, because I'm really mad at them, too. mad at them too. There was a road that we, I mean, again, yesterday, if you ever had any illusions that maybe this wasn't happening, that Republicans weren't, if you were living in, you know, I don't know, in a cave somewhere, now you have the proof in what happened with Donald Trump. In our government, in our country, there have been a lot of crimes committed by people in government, crimes that actually ended up killing people. Let's talk about the drug running that Eric Holder did. What was that called again? Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious, where they gave guns to the cartels and then the cartels ended up giving, you know, killing Mexican citizens.

No one was prosecuted for that. Look at Hillary Clinton in Benghazi. I think a border agent was killed. A border agent was also killed in that as well. Thank you for that. A U.S. border agent was killed with one of those guns that Eric Holder gave the cartels. And so was so were many Mexican citizens that we have absolute proof about that. No one was held accountable for

that. Barack Obama with the drone killed an American citizen. We have Hillary Clinton in Benghazi. You know what happened there? She was never held accountable for that. We'll have more of this conversation after this. I'm Guy Benson. Join me weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern as we break down the biggest stories of the day with some of the biggest newsmakers and guests. Listen live on the Fox News app or get the free podcast at Guy Benson show dot com. You can name a thousand different things that our government does. You say the withdrawal from Afghanistan? The withdrawal from Afghanistan, leaving behind weapons.

The 12 soldiers who died. The 12 soldiers leaving behind weapons as well in the hands of the terrorists. Nobody's been prosecuted for that. But Donald Trump now faces 160 years in jail. If you add all the charges up. Well, it'd be 34 counts times, what, four years apiece. Yeah, I think it's 160 years. No, it's 136.

136 years in prison. Donald Trump said today 160, but I was like, I don't think that's right. hundred and thirty six years in prison said today, one hundred and sixty. But it is like I don't think that's fine. One hundred and thirty six years in jail, a couple over paying off Stormy Daniels. If you don't think this system is rigged, then then you're not paying attention. But you know what? We had evidence of this rigged system much earlier on. Sean, we can go all the way back to, you know, when the IRS was targeting Tea Party groups, but just go to January 6th. Just go to January 6th. Where were the Republicans standing

up for those people that went to a rally? Many of them had, they were geofenced, their bank accounts were spied on by the FBI and CIA and the DOJ. They were put on no-fly lists, no-fly lists like they're terrorists because they were mad about an election, about what they thought was what we now know was a rigged election. If you just take the Hunter Biden laptop situation alone,

so you have that situation. There's just so many instances. You know, everybody around Donald Trump. Look at what happened to Peter Navarro. He's in jail. The people around Donald Trump, people, I get it. People got January 6th was it was was an effort by the the the powers in Washington to scare up conservatives. And ever since that point, people stopped protesting. It worked. People were weak. People were weak. And people didn't stand up for people who were in trouble, like what they did to January 6th. All those grandmas who were praying, who are now in jail or facing jail time. We didn't stand up. Outside of abortion clinics,

those ones? Oh, then there were those two, the lifers that were targeted and so you look at all of this stuff sean and i'm like of course we got here because they've gotten away with everything even going into covid has anyone helped been held accountable for gain of function research that was done in china that they lied about that caused millions of deaths nobody got got got accountable for that. But they've got Donald Trump. So my point is this. Republicans have been playing nice for too damn long. And here we are, where our leading candidate is now facing jail time. Okay, this is not funny. But if you're watching, I'm smiling. Because I just had this thought that now I know what it's like to be Will or Pete who sits next to Rachel on the couch. By the way, I got to tell you. I'm like this when we talk in

bed. But my mind is exploding with the things you're saying. Right. It's so true. Again, I want to go back over a couple of things. So you're talking about those who went to the Capitol on January 6th. And yes, there's people who destroyed property, broke into the Capitol, broke glass, went into the House chamber and to the Senate chamber and in Nancy Pelosi's office. But a lot of people went through peacefully that have been prosecuted.

None of them were chanting death to America. Many of them were singing patriotic songs. They were carrying flags, American flags, not Palestinian flags, not Hamas flags, but those who carried American flags and sang American songs are going to jail. But how many of the people on college campuses who have been chanting death to America are not even not not even in jail? I'm saying on a target list for the FBI. None, zero, none of them. You mentioned the voters when you started talking i'm so mad at how i want i'm gonna give i'm gonna give the voter um a pass on a lot of this i'm gonna tell you why

because after the irs was caught targeting uh tea party groups so tea party groups were applying to the fbi for tax exam status and and the irs was holding those applications up because that was lois loner yeah by the way if you're not prosecuted got a full pension after targeting but by the way sean if your group had the word constitution patriotism um any kind of like chaotic phrase chaotic phrase it was flagged by bar Barack Obama. But here's the deal. They were caught. I think Americans thought, ah, they were caught red handed. Surely it will stop. But it didn't. Right. And so let me go to the Steele dossier. Hillary Clinton paid for it. And it started off Russia collusion. And they were caught with Russia collusion.

And after they were caught, I think a lot of voters thought, surely it will stop. Right. And then you had two impeachments of Donald Trump, which were complete hoaxes and throwaway impeachments. And after that, it was surely it was going to stop. And I think that after Donald Trump was kicked off social media and then they tried to kick him off of ballots, I think Americans said, surely it's going to stop. And now we get to Donald Trump being convicted. And after this, I think a lot of voters think,

surely this is the end of it. Surely nothing else can happen with the targeting of conservatives. And I would just tell you, if you believe that this is the end of their persecution of conservatives, you are 100% wrong. This is just the beginning. And when good people stand by and do nothing, they don't get involved. They don't stand up and fight. If they don't give money, if they don't work, if they don't put out yard signs, if they don't talk to their friends and family members and neighbors, if they don't register people to vote because you think someone else is going to do it or it's going to end. When good people do nothing, this crap lives and it thrives. And it's been thriving because good people have stood by silently and not spoken out and not fought back. And it brings me to Congress. With all the things I just laid out about the voters saying surely it's going to end now.

Republicans in Congress have done nothing. Nothing. They fully funded the FBI and the DOJ and the cia that targeted donald trump with russia collusion they knew it was a lie they were trying to kick him out of office that's called there's a word for that it's called the coup there was an internal coup to remove donald trump from office and republicans fully funded those beers so if you're in the FBI or the DOJ, you're like, I can target conservatives and conservatives. I'm going to buy you a brand new office building in Maryland. That's what Republicans are doing. And look, at what point do you hold the FBI, the DOJ and the

CIA accountable? Because they're telling you in Congress and America, they're here to protect us. But I'd argue, no, they're not. They're here to attack us. They're working against us. They're targeting us. And if Republicans don't wake up and get a backbone and start standing together as one fighting unit, voting force, that's theoretical, but a voting force to fight back against this stuff. We have real problems in a very bleak future ahead of us. Because, by the way, you can all go vote for Donald Trump. That's great. And he might win.

But if he doesn't have a Republican Congress and a Republican Senate, they're going to stymie him the whole way. They're going to impeach him again. They're going to sue him again. He needs a Republican Senate. They're going to stymie him the whole way. They're going to impeach him again. They're going to sue him again. He needs a Republican Congress. And by the way, you get four years of this. You can turn some of it around. But it's going to take a long time. It's going to require a huge majority to get this done. Maybe the majority sends a message to Democrats. Yes. You know, know sean it just my blood started boiling when i just thought about how many times they had the opportunity to defund

or significantly cut the budgets of these agencies to send them a message fully fund them they fully funded them there was also what was it recently? The FISA renewal. They renewed that, even though that was abused and targeted against Donald Trump and his supporters in order to spy on conservatives. So they swipe up. So the CIA and FISA, they can't target Americans. The CIA operates overseas. But if they're targeting someone overseas who may contact someone in the U.S., then all of a sudden this spider web of collection happens of American citizens. Yeah. And Jim Jordan said to the FISA court, you can only go get the information from those Americans who are caught up in that spider web that you're now tracking if you get a warrant.

up in that spider web that you're now tracking if you get a warrant and conservatives mike johnson who i like mike johnson the speaker of the house he was the deciding vote to make sure that amendment died i know reauthorization and when he did that do you know what my thought was it was actually the same thought that uh marjorie taylor green tweeted which was what do these intel agencies have on these people? They don't have anything. Oh, come on, Sean. They don't. Yes, they do.

Yes, they absolutely do. And you heard it from Chuck Schumer. You mess with the Intel agencies and they'll get you six ways to Sunday. And that's what he said. And the truth is that these intel agencies have too much power. And here's the deal. Of course, a lot of people, I think Donald Trump broke records yesterday. At least in small donations, there's never been this amount of money raised. No, no, no, no.

The website shut down. I know, but there's $34 million that we know of so far in small dollar donations. That's not even counting anything else. There's never been anything like this. So clearly the American people are pissed off and they're voting with their dollars. And I believe they're going to vote with their with their feet on Election Day. And I think this has solidified Donald Trump winning. There is no point in Donald Trump winning unless he is committed to undoing the agencies and the power brokers in Washington who are unelected, who try have been working nonstop to take him down, because when they took Donald Trump down, they took all of us who voted

for him down. And in the in the process, they're destroying our reputation abroad. They're destroying people's confidence in government. And they're destroying everything that people have sacrificed their lives for in this country. I want to rip the Band-Aid off. I want to know. And I'm going to interview Donald Trump tomorrow, by the way, here in New Jersey. Will, Pete, and I are going to be interviewing Donald Trump. It's going to be the first interview that he gives to anyone after this verdict.

We're very excited about that. And I want to ask him about if he is going to declassify Epstein, 9-11, JFK files. Because at this point, we have to rebuild trust in our government. And until these things are unmasked, until we start to go, wait a minute, you guys in Intel don't run America. You work for us. And there has to be better rules around this. Americans can't get swept up in these nets that they put out in order to spy on us. It's absolutely gotten out of control to the point that if Donald Trump is not elected,

and if he does not make serious changes like this, you know, it's been a good run, guys. It's over. Because right now the police state is running our country, the CIA, the DOJ, the FBI. And by the way, all those people saying that Joe Biden isn't behind these prosecutions, you tell me why the number three guy at the DOJ would leave a prestigious job and go work for Fat Albert in New York City, Alvin Bragg. Of course, this is coordinated. It's obvious it's coordinated. And the timing was coordinated to interfere with this election. Now, it may not work out the way they wanted, but our intel agencies are running this country. The voters are not. And until that changes, until they realize that we are in charge and the voters are in charge, what's the point of this whole thing?

What's the point of this whole experiment in America? I mean, forget it. So if you go online, you can see what Donald Trump's properties look like. Go look at what Bedminster looks like and Mar-a-Lago, and he has properties all over the place. They're beautiful. The man's a billionaire. He has a 747, 757 that he flies on. He has a great life. His place at Trump Tower, beautiful in New York. Great life. His place at Trump Tower.

Beautiful in New York. Why in the hell would any man with that kind of money and that kind of life say, I'm willing to go through this crap that they're throwing at me? Most of them would go, listen, politics is stupid. I'm done. Listen, I'm not going to run again. I'm going off to my golf courses. I'm traveling around the world.

But you know what? When you talk to him, when you see him talk on TV, one thing becomes very, very clear. He loves America. And he sees the country's in danger, and he thinks he can fix it. I think something else is, I'm sorry. He's willing to sacrifice all of those. Listen, he's willing to sacrifice his own freedom because that's at stake right now. I want to mention one other thing, Rachel.

Can I say something? Because you brought up the money. Because I think this is also very interesting. And he doesn't deserve to get enough credit for this. Think about what Donald Trump has had to endure. We laid out everything that they've thrown at him since before he got into office, all the way through, you know, what they did to him in the last election, what they're doing to him right now as he's beating Joe Biden handily right now with everything up against him. Donald Trump, as you said, Sean, is fighting for his own freedom because they want

to put him in jail. They want to get him off the trail. They want to put him away forever and send and make an example out of him. It's also cost him a lot of money. You know, he's had businesses that, you know, people won't do businesses with him anymore. These legal problems have been so, you know, costing him so much money and when he was in office for all four years he donated his salary back

he wanted to just give it he wanted to just not take it and they said you have to take it and you can donate it back to whatever agency you want in the government which that's what he did but he never yeah it's a government veterans thing like you have to give it back in the government, which that's what he did. But he never... He gave it to a veteran's group, I thought. Yeah, it's a government veteran's thing.

You have to give it back into the government. He could have taken the money and given it to whoever he wants. He could have, but they wouldn't let him. And so he had to give it back through some agency. I forget how it works. I'm going to fact check you on that. I want you to fact check me, but my understanding is I know for a fact he never took the money.

He had to give it away. He didn't take the money. And there were some restrictions around how we could give it away. You are not allowed to not take a salary. You have to take it and then give it to some government agency. That was my understanding. But make no mistake, he never took a cent. Look at Joe Biden.

Joe Biden and his family have become fabulously rich off of the government, off of their connections. It's the opposite. It's the opposite. OK, so first off, you mentioned the money he's lost. Again, it's how fast the news cycle travels. Again, that's how fast the news cycle travels. He lost, he was going to lose, a half a billion dollars in the Letitia James lawsuit with the judgment and the interest. He's appealing that right now. But, I mean, massive amounts of money. I'm sure his accountants probably told him, don't run for president. Yeah, no doubt about that. I want to talk about a couple different things. Okay. So you all know that Joe Biden is

running on threats... I'm going to Google search while you're saying that. Threat to democracy. Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. Okay. So there's a mayor's poll and it polled independents about who is a threat to democracy, Joe Biden or Donald Trump. And in that poll, 56 percent of the respondents said Joe Biden is a threat to democracy. Forty three percent of independents said Donald Trump. And so America gets the joke. They see that Joe Biden and his administration truly is a threat to democracy. Also in that poll, will a second term weaken America? 53% think a second term of Joe Biden weakens America. Only 42% think that of Donald Trump. So the polling is clear that America gets what's happening. I'm

going to bring up another point, Rachel, as we've been discussing, and this is my fear. This is my fear moving forward. And again, I came home last night from the bottom line, and I actually grabbed a glass of wine, and I came and sat on the couch with you. And we just, we kind of just were philosophizing about our country and our family and our faith. And how do you protect yourself? Because we did we do see this as not just an attack on Donald Trump. It's an attack on all of us who share these viewpoints. But we took we laid out we laid out the number of things that have happened.

Again, they did Russia collusion. They did the impeachments. They did J6, and now they're prosecuting him. And then they kicked him out of the media and social media, tried to kick him off of ballots. Now they got a conviction. 34 counts, 136 years in jail potentially, which, by the way, just to side note on that, the

sentencing is going to come on July 11th, a couple of days before the Republican convention. I'm going to tell you that I do think if you look at, it would be historic if they put Donald Trump on house arrest or confine him on probation to New York or to Florida. And I think it would never happen. Someone who has his age, no criminal record, a guy, this was, again, even if you believe the allegation, it was meaningless. They're never going to send him to jail. And as I thought about it today, I'm like, hell, yes, they are. We'll be back with much more after this.

They may send him to jail. They might put him on house arrest because that's the intent. It's not just the conviction. I know. It's also to tie him up and shut him down. Which, by the way, Sean, is what they do in Venezuela. In Venezuela, is what they do in Venezuela. In Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro put, there was a very handsome mayor of Caracas who was challenging Nicolás Maduro. He was,

and boy, he was handsome. Young family. They found some trumped up thing. They accused him of insurrection. That's what it was. They accused him of insurrection because he led a protest against the government

and they put him on house arrest and he couldn't run. I mean, this is the kind of crap that happens in Latin America. And by the way, they've also done did this prohibited this other woman who now was going to run against Nicolas Maduro. They did the same thing. She's the one they say they trumped her because they came up with some reason, kind of like what they did with Bolsonaro, where now you can't run again. They charged her with some fake stuff and now said it prohibits you from running. By the way, Sean, I have to interrupt you really quick on this. So George Washington, when George Washington became president, the salary was $25 thousand dollars for the presidency.

And he did not want to take the salary. And Congress forced him to take the salary, which is why you have to take the salary. Now, since then, Herbert Hoover and JFK said, we don't want our salary. And they gave it up. You're not allowed to not take it. That's sort of like the truth. So you have to give it back into the government. You can choose which agency you want to give it up. But you're not allowed to not take it. That's sort of like the truth. So you have to give it back into the government. You can choose which agency you want to give it to. And so that's exactly what Donald Trump did. In the first year, he gave it to the National Park Service. And then he chose other agencies that he wanted to give it to.

But basically, if you look at his entire four years, I think it was like $1.6 million that he would have made. Every bit of it after taxes was donated back into the government. So compare that with Joe Biden. He's taking his salary and more. Yeah, taking his salary, selling our country out in order to make more money to get a house that God knows how we can afford at the beach the beach in Maryland and, you know, getting diamond. Remember, the hunter got a diamond ring from some Chinese oligarch. You know, these people are selling out our country all over the place. Donald Trump

didn't take a damn penny for even being president. So I'm going to go back to my point. I set this up with all the things that they have done to try to take out, take down, and basically knife Donald Trump. And if we start to see the polling not collapse for Donald, by the way, I don't care about the polling for the next week or two. I want to see what happens when we get into the end of June. We're going to see a debate at the end of June. I want to see how this thing transpires as we get into July. If it doesn't work, if they'll actually try a coup against the sitting president with Russia collusion, if they'll try to kick him off of ballots, if they will impeach him, if they'll prosecute him, what won't they do?

Right. What won't they do? What's coming next? How far will they go to make sure he's not the next president? And again, who are these people to think that they'd run our country? That they've lost the idea that actually the people are in charge and the people, the powers that be, the elites, the government bureaucrats, they may not like him, but it's not their choice. They're so arrogant, though, they think it's their choice because they're smarter. They know better. And we can't let they can't let the American people

make a decision for themselves who they want to run this country. And so they will stop at nothing to stop Donald Trump. This is beyond the Democrat Party, Sean. And so they will stop at nothing to stop Donald Trump. This is beyond the Democrat Party, Sean. And I think there's very powerful forces. I told you that when Donald Trump came out of that courtroom, the most powerful words, the most important, critical words that came out of his remarks were when he talked about Alvin Bragg and referred to him as the George Soros-funded DA. And the reason I think those words are really important is because we need to understand who is funding the destruction of this country. And it is George Soros. It is Bill Gates. It is the people, you know, John Kerry. It is all these people who are tied into this globalist agenda to basically get rid of the idea of national sovereignty,

basically get rid of the idea of national sovereignty, to put a bunch of weirdo billionaires, technocrat kind of people in charge of our lives, basically throw us into a feudal system where we are no longer in control. I think COVID, the kinds of intrusions on our liberty, that was a test run to see if we would fight back. And by the way, we failed that test as Americans. We failed the COVID test by our elites. That was also run out of the WEF,

the WHO. You did not fail. I did not fail. Our family did not fail. You're a winner. But as a country, we failed in that test. But the reason i bring it up sean is because there is something bigger this is bigger than democrats versus republicans this is not what's

going on the democrats are aligned with globalists um with with these cultural marxists with these people who believe in essentially chinese style capitalism, where, you know, a few people, the elites are in charge of everything and the rest of us are robbed of our freedom, robbed of our independence, robbed of our choices in life, whether it's a dishwasher or our movements or the kind of vehicle we want to buy or whatever it is that we're going to do. They want to be in charge of it. They want a surveillance system, a Chinese style surveillance culture where we are watched and observed and we are punished through a social credit score system for not obeying what our overlords, you know, at the World Economic Forum or wherever you want for us. The Democrat Party is totally in bed with these people. And that's why this is so much bigger. They have to take

down Donald Trump. Donald Trump is not just a figure in the United States. Donald Trump has global implications. If Donald Trump is taken down, every other person, whether it's Santiago Rascal in Spain for the Vox party or Bolsonaro, who they already took down, or Mille in Argentina or Bukele in El Salvador or Orban in Hungary. These are the few rogue people who are refusing to obey the overlords. who are refusing to obey the overlords, but the leader of this global movement to combat globalism, the leader is Donald Trump. All of those guys are looking to Donald Trump. And so this moment is so important for the world, whether he survives this or not. And so they did what they did in that courtroom in Manhattan, Sean, but the real verdict will be on November 5th. And it will have to be too big to rig,

because they are going to use every other source of power they have to rig this thing in their favor. And the numbers, it cannot be a close election. For Donald Trump to win, it has to be a landslide. So I thought that was the most powerful thing he said last night, which was the real verdict is November 5th. We talked about that last night. You disagree. We had a disagreement. But I want to go back to this point you made. You're right. This is the globalist movement. But the globalists and the old Soviet Union type communists, they might have a different view on the economic structure and people able to keep fruits of communists, they might have a different view on the economic structure and people able to keep fruits of their labor. They might have different views on that. However,

the philosophy of consolidating power in an elite group and robbing the democracy and freedom from everyone underneath, it's the same. They don't want you to be able to make decisions for yourself. And by the way, you're right. The Democrats do support this globalist movement. And I think we should have... What's the petition on the government website? You can file a petition. Obama started this.

I want to start a petition that Democrats have to give up the name Democrat because they're anything but democratic, right? They're authoritarians. They don't deserve that. We are a republic. They don't deserve the name Democrat. But you know, Sean, in the name of saving democracy, they have to go after their political opponents. They have to weaponize the justice system against any opposition. To save democracy, they have to go after their political opponents. They have to weaponize the justice system against any opposition. To save democracy, you have to destroy democracy. Exactly. To save free speech, you have to destroy free speech. Yeah.

Right? Anyway, listen, this is an important conversation. We're going to keep having it. We're distraught. We are distraught as a couple and a family. I know our country as a whole. Yeah, it was a sad day for America. It was bad for Donald Trump. It's horrible for his family. I mean, you know what I thought about, too, before we go? You know, Donald Trump,

like so many people, especially as you get older, you become more nostalgic for where you came from, for your parents, your grandparents. And you have enough distance between when you were a child to where you are now to kind of realize and absorb and really internalize the kind of influence that those people had on your life and who you've become. And Donald Trump is 77 years old, and I've heard him, especially as of late, refer back to his parents and how wonderful they were. But also to talk about how horrible it would have been for them to see their son go through this. Because, again, he didn't kill anybody. He didn't sell the country.

He didn't sell the country out. He didn't make money off of China to sell the country out. He didn't sell the country out. He didn't make money off of China to sell the country out. He didn't cause us to leave Afghanistan in shame with 13 soldiers who were dead. He didn't leave weapons in Afghanistan. He didn't kill Americans with drones. He didn't give money, guns to cartels who then shot border patrol agents and Mexican citizens. He didn't do any of those things. He didn't start two wars. He didn't start wars. He didn't open up our border and allow fentanyl and drugs and child abuse to come into this country. He didn't do any of those things. He didn't. He didn't. And I know it kills him to think of what he's going through when he thinks about his dad, his dad and his mom.

And so I think, you know, this has been horrible for Donald Trump. It's been horrible for his family. But yesterday was terrible for America. And the only way we can put a silver lining on what happened yesterday in that courtroom in Manhattan is if we as Americans say, that's as far as these jerks go, that's as far as they go, this is it. And it means you have to vote in Donald Trump. And it means you need to get a majority into the Congress. It means you need to kick out these establishment types. I don't know who's- Pull their power. Pull their power. And they need to be held accountable. They don't deserve the power they have. Exactly. And so that's

what has to happen. And I hope that Donald Trump pulls the band-aid off. Just let us know what our country has been doing with weapons, with, you know, in these intelligence agencies, with spying on Americans, causing, you know, wars in other countries, causing, you know, wars in other countries, causing,

you know, all kinds of chaos abroad. Tell us all of it. Epstein, tell us about 9-11. Tell us all of it. Because until there's full transparency, until we know everything, I think trust in government is shot at this point. Yesterday, you said, I felt sad for America. Regime changes all over the world.

I felt sad for Donald Trump. By the way, he's a remarkable 76 years old. I think this trial has aged him. The pressure has aged him. But I couldn't have been more proud of him. Yeah. That he's standing there taking the abuse and the crap that's said about him and the justice system coming after him, that he stands

there and takes it and then fights back. I couldn't be prouder. I'm kind of a hugger and I'm like, I wish I could give the man a hug right now. Cause I'm so proud of how hard he is fighting. How strong he is. I mean, he's the strongest man in America. Nobody else could put up with this. Can I share one last? Yeah, of course. Because I don't think I said this on the podcast.

Sometimes I can't remember what I said on the podcast and I said in our conversations. But I told you that if I was in a jury that was prosecuting Joe Biden, I'll give him a fair shake. I would not. I would not. But I can't stand Joe Biden. But if the prosecution didn't have the evidence against him, I would acquit him. 100% I would. Because that's the right thing to do. Because it's not just about Joe Biden. It's about the system that we use and the rules that we have and the burdens of proof that we believe in. I would do that. This jury did not. Shame on them. Shame on that jury. Shame on that jury. So we are going to continue to dive into what this means for America, how it plays out politically. If you're listening to us as tonight when this drops, you'll probably see on Sunday

Rachel, Will, and Pete interviewing Donald Trump. Tune in. It's going to be amazing. I've seen Rachel's questions. If you think this is fire away to the questions for President Trump, it's going to be wild and fun and I think very interesting. I can't wait to watch it. But I want to thank you all for joining us at our kitchen table. We love doing this podcast. We appreciate you tuning in and spending anywhere from a half an hour to an hour with us. If you like our podcast, please rate, review, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts. You always find us at foxnewspodcast.com. But wherever you get your podcasts, whether it's Spotify or Apple, find us

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